It's certainly a fine line, isn't it? This video is a bit of a thought experiment and I'm so glad people are taking a moment to consider their practice goals and what sounds they create. Thanks for watching!
Dude I love your style of content. The different motifs and references you cover in your videos just make me smile and are so cool to listen to. Definitely deserve more views. Keep it up!
Comments like this are the BEST! Thank you so much! Yes, it would be great to monetize, but THIS is why I make videos! I'm gearing up to make more - life's just been in slightly in the way. Lol
Cool experiment! Was fun to hear the differences. I find, when I make midi files to write parts in Ableton, it makes it sound more natural if I pull the second notes of diddles down in the velocity editor, and sometimes I even do slightly different amounts on each diddle to make it varied even more. I agree with the premise although I will also say that a drumset instructor showed me the “second note accented” exercise, and I think it helped me and made me a better drummer at that point in my development. I still use it sometimes, IF the players second notes are particularly weak. I have a different kind of breakdown, and I think a large portion of your critique is valid, but I also wouldn’t throw out the exercise completely. Just depends on what the student needs. Like a diet. Different people, different genes, different exercise goals, different lifestyles- no “one size fits all” set of exercises. Anyway, fun video as usual! Love seeing you make these. Looking forward to more.
Great editing and lesson. Stirs memories of my rolls sounding like a flat tire, with one hand louder than the other. Nope, never " perfected" the 2nd louder note in the roll...
Yep, we can all play something imperfectly, but clean. Like, if a drumline all decided to crush their diddles in the same way. They could be clean, but they'd have a crushed interpretation of the rhythm of a diddle.
a course theres a difference. playing “clean” only refers to when more than one person is playing, it’s when what theyre playing lines up perfectly so there is no dirt. playing perfectly is playing something rhythmically correct
We used to call that "shups". Think of it in triplets. Play the first two partials of a triplet, then the first and third partials, then the second and third partials. Then switch hands.. do that within a 4-2-1 framework. Pretty dope exercise.
Hey man, love your content. I gotta say though when people say to accent that second partial, or to have "perfect" rolls it should be taken into consideration how literal they are being. This idea of trying to play a perfect second partial is more of a "mental que" than exact instruction. It's the same thing as when you're trying to do a bench press. A popular mental cue that's often given is to "bend the barbell". Obviously nobody is actually bending the barbell but when they think about doing that they engage appropriate muscles in order to facilitate a more efficient workout. The same can be said for that second partial. Focusing on it is more of a mental cue in order to engage the smaller muscle groups in your hand i order to try to get as close to that 60/45 as possible. At faster tempos it's impossible to play perfect rolls but if you don't focus on that second partial then the sound quality will severely suffer. At least thats how I see it Now if instructors are negligent of the human factor thats an entirely different conversation haha
Consider my video to be a long-winded agreement with you. Lol, when I was much younger, no one told me to not take this concept literally. Since then, I've fully embraced the "mental cues", and I often say things to my students to just get them to think differently, because even just the way we perceive something can drastically affect the way we play something - independent of any technique changes. Also, "mental cue" and the bench press analogy are perfect and I'm stealing them. lol Thanks for the comment and support! I'm glad you're here!
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Drummers like Kiichi and Keelan has clean rolls. Yet, they still sounds as a human and not computer(Man, those guys are absolute beasts)
It's certainly a fine line, isn't it? This video is a bit of a thought experiment and I'm so glad people are taking a moment to consider their practice goals and what sounds they create. Thanks for watching!
Dude I love your style of content. The different motifs and references you cover in your videos just make me smile and are so cool to listen to. Definitely deserve more views.
Keep it up!
Comments like this are the BEST! Thank you so much! Yes, it would be great to monetize, but THIS is why I make videos! I'm gearing up to make more - life's just been in slightly in the way. Lol
Cool experiment! Was fun to hear the differences. I find, when I make midi files to write parts in Ableton, it makes it sound more natural if I pull the second notes of diddles down in the velocity editor, and sometimes I even do slightly different amounts on each diddle to make it varied even more. I agree with the premise although I will also say that a drumset instructor showed me the “second note accented” exercise, and I think it helped me and made me a better drummer at that point in my development. I still use it sometimes, IF the players second notes are particularly weak. I have a different kind of breakdown, and I think a large portion of your critique is valid, but I also wouldn’t throw out the exercise completely. Just depends on what the student needs. Like a diet. Different people, different genes, different exercise goals, different lifestyles- no “one size fits all” set of exercises. Anyway, fun video as usual! Love seeing you make these. Looking forward to more.
Agreed! I personally saw a disconnect when someone showed me this idea. There is a time and place for everything - which I embrace!
Great editing and lesson.
Stirs memories of my rolls sounding like a flat tire, with one hand louder than the other.
Nope, never " perfected" the 2nd louder note in the roll...
I mean I understand the idea behind it, I just think too many people take it too literally.
@@paddric_ryan and, to your point, to emphasize the second stroke with the intent of making it "heard".
@@thomashelm6931 right. To me, the focus should be about efficiency of motion.
another beautiful and informative video 🎉 great work! such a pro
🥳 Thanks!!
Me: *sees a video comparing computer drums to a person playing
Video: So I’m out here in nature …
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Joking aside great video!
🤣🤣 Thanks!
Is there a difference, then, between “playing clean” and being “perfect?” Nice job, by the way.
Yep, we can all play something imperfectly, but clean. Like, if a drumline all decided to crush their diddles in the same way. They could be clean, but they'd have a crushed interpretation of the rhythm of a diddle.
a course theres a difference. playing “clean” only refers to when more than one person is playing, it’s when what theyre playing lines up perfectly so there is no dirt. playing perfectly is playing something rhythmically correct
Do you have sheets to the exercise you played at 12:04? I’ve never heard of it before
We used to call that "shups". Think of it in triplets. Play the first two partials of a triplet, then the first and third partials, then the second and third partials. Then switch hands.. do that within a 4-2-1 framework. Pretty dope exercise.
Hey man, love your content.
I gotta say though when people say to accent that second partial, or to have "perfect" rolls it should be taken into consideration how literal they are being.
This idea of trying to play a perfect second partial is more of a "mental que" than exact instruction. It's the same thing as when you're trying to do a bench press. A popular mental cue that's often given is to "bend the barbell". Obviously nobody is actually bending the barbell but when they think about doing that they engage appropriate muscles in order to facilitate a more efficient workout.
The same can be said for that second partial. Focusing on it is more of a mental cue in order to engage the smaller muscle groups in your hand i order to try to get as close to that 60/45 as possible. At faster tempos it's impossible to play perfect rolls but if you don't focus on that second partial then the sound quality will severely suffer.
At least thats how I see it
Now if instructors are negligent of the human factor thats an entirely different conversation haha
Consider my video to be a long-winded agreement with you. Lol, when I was much younger, no one told me to not take this concept literally. Since then, I've fully embraced the "mental cues", and I often say things to my students to just get them to think differently, because even just the way we perceive something can drastically affect the way we play something - independent of any technique changes. Also, "mental cue" and the bench press analogy are perfect and I'm stealing them. lol
Thanks for the comment and support! I'm glad you're here!
Haha all yours dude
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