No, You Can’t Be A Feminist Muslim
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- Can you be a feminist woman and wear a hijab? Is Muslim attire oppressive?
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I live in a muslim country, these women have never suffered the fear and pain of getting caught by the "hijab police" (which isn't just for monitoring the usage of hijab, they also pick on and sometimes arrest lovers who are holding hands at public, asking them what their relation is and if they aren't married or siblings they are sentenced for jail) these women where all born and live in developed countries. God, this makes me sick, and makes the fight of the women inside countries like mine seem pointless.
Those women are fighting for the same cause as you:
They are fighting for a womens right to wear (or not wear) what she wants
@@oc7759 Yalda was obviously referring to the Muslim feminists that were still supporting the religion.
I think there’s a few other ways lovers can get sick. Maybe the way you’re sick is not so bad in comparison.
Are u Iranian
I feel that there should be a debate Western Muslim woman vs Middle Eastern Ex Muslim woman.
Just like the woman in black said, the one thing I've never understood is that if the hijab is supposed to be worn by a grown woman, to detract men's attention, then why should little girls wear it?
I've never thought about that! That's dark...
Also, I am not a supporter of women walking their work place half undressed, since it is a place to work and not to sexually impress, but even wanting women to cover their faces, which have nothing to do with sex, shows that the entire persona of a woman and girl is sexualized in those countries.
I asked a friend of mine who is a Muslim, and she said it is so the child will already know how to properly put on the headscarf once she is grown up enough to have to wear it.
@@arielle Desmonds parents don't think so. Neither does ABCs Good Morning America. Sad but true.
As a muslim (African) in my culture it's seen more as a cultural signifier of faith than something to deter mens attention.
I was an optometrist assistant. I had a female patient once, who was accompanied by her husband. It was August in South Carolina. He wore flip flops, khaki shorts and a white T-shirt. SHE, on the other hand, was in FULL black garb, head to toe, full hijab. And she wasn't allowed to SPEAK to me. I asked her medical questions, HE answered all for her. When it was time to read the eye chart, she looked at him and he gave her PERMISSION.... To have her eye exam. That's complete abuse.
i know right
No, it’s liberation.. 😂 just disguised
Exactly. Its the most opressive religion on earth
That's so disturbing. Working in healthcare, I'm not sure I could be "culturally sensitive" in that instance.
Could it have been a language barrier?
And cult members don't think they are brainwashed.
As atheist middle easterner, what makes you think Judaism and christianity isnt a cult?
@@eliza1826 Oh they are both certainly cults.
@@FellVoice lol when I say that about Judaism I'm called antisemitic, when I say it about Islam, I'm islamophobic and if I say it about christianity, no one cares lol.
@@eliza1826 I hate that they aren't held to the same standards either all free to hit or not free... I am not religious formerly Catholic even went to Catholic school from pre-K through highschool so I understand both fairly well having studied many Religions. I am a fan of Christianity and Judaism when not taken to strictly as when more relaxed they promote decent values basically the 10 commandments while giving reasons to have people follow them, they also give hope to those who can't find hope, and it keeps many pushing when it'd be easier to give in or die.
@@earlye5011 totally agree I don’t believe in any religion, but I believe in an entity of god, and in general there are good things and similarities between all of the religions, be kind, don’t steal, be a good person etc., but the uglynes for instance in the bible there is a verse where you need to cut the limp from a thef, sounds familiar? Also scarf, a christian woman also should wear a scarf to hide their hair similar in judaism, the period and where they should wear it is different, but there are pleanty of good and bad in all of these, the problem with islam is that ppl are still practising the bad.
I am a non-Muslim who dated a Muslim man. I can attest to the misogyny in these men.
That’s funny…I’m a Muslim GIRL and any guy who was a creep around me wasn’t Muslim. 😒
why would u date someon w a diff religion…
@@puppydogs68All the Muslim men I know are shit
Like what?
@@puppydogs68 frfr and also i live in saudi arabia, tell me why in my entire life i have almost never once had an unpleasant experience with a man in saudi arabia? 😭 i could never relate to all the other women in the west talking about being catcalled, harassed so often and what not (until i visited pakistan though lol). i only had one negative experience in saudi arabia in my 18 years of living here, it was some dude who kept staring at me even though i was observing the hijab in it's proper form honestly i really wonder why he kept staring at me. the way he was dressed didn't really scream “muslim” too though he was wearing short shorts and we all know that men can't wear those in Islam lol. truth be told however i have never truly been harassed or violated in any way in saudi arabia even when i didn't observe proper hijab.
when i visited pakistan though i experienced 3 unpleasant situations with men in just a month. the reason is, if you're a pakistani you probably know very well that in pakistan people care more about culture. there's a lot of misogyny in pakistan honestly. i was shocked because even when i was fully covered i had men bothering me, i would really be reciting everything i know before going outside LMAO.
i think how saudi arabia differs is that many people here have driven their culture and lifestyle from true islam itself. no one can deny that saudi people implement the true form of Islam much more in their lives than muslims in south asia. both men and women here try their best to adhere to true islam. here we also have pretty strict laws and punishments which have been driven from islam too. i honestly strongly believe that islam is the reason i feel so safe here in saudi arabia. this got long but i wanted to leave this here! 🤭
I love how the ability to wear a hijab and dressed modestly is seen as "freedom" and a "right" for Muslim women but the same people that champion it call young christian girls that want to dress modestly "brainwashed by purity culture." You can't have both people! Either covering up for religious reasons is a right or oppression, that shouldn't change with which religion it is!
I'm hijabi, and I'm even not muslim any more!
Exactly right 👍
@Emily Carroll Absolutely, Emily.
It's incredibly inconsistent and I feel like a lot of the unwillingness to call out these inconsistencies and the wrongdoing of Islam is due to fear of what some, or a lot of Islamic Extremists, might do.
I don't agree with that. As a Muslim, I think its beautiful when anyone dresses modestly and covers their body and hair. I think no matter your religion its freedom and everyone across the wrld should have the right to dress how they want. Even if its immodest and I don't agree with it.
@@noor1991hb How can I help you get your Eman back? I love you Sister.
"Some women choose to support their own subjection." Yes! As an ex-Mormon, I identified with many things that these brave women shared. I'm not aware of any ex-Mormons facing violence, anywhere in the world. The worst we face is ostracization which isn't as bad as what many ex-Muslims face.
IDK. You’re logically RIGHT. but the ostracism triggers the same survival mechanism of life and death. ESPECIALLY for women who had to rely on others while pregnant or with small children (don’t matter how tough you are, try defending a small crying infant and yourself at the same time, even if you’re a big man) the life and death instinct is stifled a bit in 1st world countries where ostracism actually doesn’t mean life or death for women.
But yes , I’m glad you identify and see where they are coming from, and I’m glad you are here representing women everywhere who are brave AF, because you obviously are
Absolutely. And let me be clear, ostracism from your family/community is not insignificant. It takes courage to leave a religion knowing that you may lose all your family and friends. I’ve known people who’ve been in that situation and it’s tragic. The church should be ashamed for every encouraging it. I’ve never known anyone who has faced physical violence.
If the US was a more authoritarian (like the majority of predominately Muslim countries) then ex Mormons (& ex Christians in general) would probably have a likelier chance of being killed from apostasy. When it comes to ex Muslims being punished by death from apostasy, yes, religion itself does play a role in it to a certain extent, but political power also plays a big role in it as well. The reason for that is because in majority Muslim countries that aren’t so authoritarian, & are more secular (& that also have a significant non Muslim minority) for example- Lebanon, Egypt, Albania, Bosnia, etc. don’t punish apostates w/ the death penalty.
It's your opinion but i nkow you hate islam, you lier fake human.
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My brother is gay and a copper in the north west of England (huge Muslim community). He seethes when he hears so many people in the LBGT community who love to shriek about how Islam is a beautiful, tolerant religion, and that anyone who says otherwise is a facist. He knows otherwise.
Im not too educated about islam and the lbgt community so correct me if im wrong (an actual Muslim not some random bigot) but having the thoughts and attractions of mlm wlw ect is ok but acting uppn them isnt
@@BlobBob no, admittance of same sex attraction will get you expelled from your family and community at best. At worst....well, you can imagine. Potentially a more “tolerant” family might send you for conversion therapy, or make you marry straight away and tell you to never speak of it again. Islam is not a friend of the gays
@@katesteventon5296 lol it probably will i have probably homopjobic parents and my dad is muslim. So your point would be invalid. And anyway conversion therapy is abuse and shouldnt be glamorised as a thing a tolerant familt would do
@@BlobBob yes that’s why I put the word tolerant in inverted commas, because obviously it’s anything but tolerant.
If your dads a Muslim I’d put money on it that he’s homophobic, so if you’re gay, I strongly suggest you need a game plan
@@BlobBob You need to stop fantasizing that the world is so kind. She's telling you what the reality is. Put your pride aside and start making a plan, as she says.
This is coming from an African living in Africa. And although it's Christianity here, take it to heart when anyone tells you that being admittedly gay puts your life in danger, all round.
Stay safe and good luck.
Thank you for amplifying feminists actually fighting oppression.
Actual oppression. Not this whole woke craziness. I still don’t understand radical feminists… when I saw the video of women being left behind at the airport in Kabul, that broke my heart. Idk, man…
people say Islam was written by men because it tells women to dress modest and wait til marriage and to not work and just stay home and take care of the kids while they work and provide for them. Lol. Wouldn't a man be telling women the opposite?
How is a woman taking control of her body, and wearing a garment that makes the statement that she refuses to be men's sex toy oppression?
@@venus3554 This is from media propoganda. Modern women are being oppressively groomed and pimped into believing dressing and behaving promiscuously is rising above men. When they're the ones serving men. HIjabis fight the dogs out theres with clothing and actions that say she's no man's toy and that she won't just sit there and let him use and toss her. Islam calls for men to marry her, feed clothe and house his wife as he does his self. the man has to help raise and provide for his children, instead of the govt forcing him to pay child support through paternity tests.
The hijab is a woman's way of saying a man can eithe rmarry her or push on. WAke up from the grooming and real oppression you're under. The hijab was meant to empower women. And no one or thing forces us to. We stand for women's real liberation against the dogs out there.
@lucy fair because it's deeper than wearing a hat atop of your head. Jewish men aren't wearing those because "they might get raped if not"
Surely you can see the difference.
I read a play in university called "Niqabi Ninja". It's about a woman in South Africa who is constantly surrounded by the rape (most specifically the circle of hell) and general oppression of women, and so chooses to start wearing a niqab in order to both protect herself from the gaze of men, but also to kill them (hence the ninja). My classmates read it as this tale of powerful feminism, of a woman taking her safety and protection into her own hands by turning a garment so often considered oppressive into a garment of strength. I found it so heartbreakingly painful that a woman would find that the only possible way to feel safe is to cover her entire body and face in a shapeless garment so as not to tempt men into defiling her. How is supporting such a garment, and by proxy such a culture, an act of feminism?
Brilliant and eloquent. We'll said you.
@A M In certain societies? You know and I know that's just not normal . So women are reduced to being objects of uncontrollable lust on the part of uncontrollable men, rather than equals. That's not society, that's barbarism.
Lucy, that “boring if we were all the same” argument doesn’t work here. If the culture is oppressive, hateful and violent toward women (or any group of people) there is no beauty in the difference there. It’s disgusting and we shouldn’t allow abuse to continue for the sake of blindly accepting all cultures.
@lucy fair I understand your thought process here but it is much deeper than that.. these woman cover themselves to "feel safer" because they were TAUGHT and SCARED into thinking that's the only way. Would they still cover if they had a place to feel safe? Would they still cover if they weren't brought up in that ideology? Would they still cover if they didn't fear being rejected, harrassed, or even harmed by their society? And finally, would they still cover if they weren't taught to be ashamed of their own bodys (did you know they are supposed to hide the fact they're on their periods to the point they can't speak about it, can't pray, touch the Quran, or fast, but still pretend to as to not let people know especially men) and taught that it's their fault if a man harasses them or worse rapes them? I'm all for people dressing and expessing themselves in any way they want to and I'm sure a lot of Muslim woman that grew up in the western world do more freely choose to wear hijab, niqab, abaya, ect.. and that's fine but that doesn't mean we shouldn't point out where it all stems from and the harm it does cause for many woman in the culture.
Critical issue in your discussion is that many Islamic women in purdah wearing Niqab & Burqhas in countries like Egypt still suffer from sexual harassment by men, cat calling etc are major problems in those countries. & imagine this is after donning the black sheets & covering their bodies.
Why is this not talked about more?? Exactly like they said. All other religions have been called out on this, and the mainstream has evolved. Islam is the one religion that has stayed stagnant.
The middle east has been very conservative for decades. And there is no pope to lead the followers so if you want Muslim women to gain as much freedom as western women the general population will need to become more liberal. Even the west had a culture of subjugating woman, which still have effects to this day. With that being said if they are Muslim they will need to choose if they want to wear a hijab or not. In a liberal household the father will support his daughters, in a conservative household it's traditional so it's disrespectful to not wear it.
Because you guys are pretty much wrong, I'm literally living as a Muslim and my religion has never caused me a problem. Chill, seriously.
@@z.6480 exactly our religion has worked for hundreds of years but we have to change now nope.
@@kingfolka1713 we've been her for thousands and thousands of years, I don't see what there is to change. I like how these people attack you if you disagree with your beliefs but then continue to insult others beliefs 🤨
@@z.6480
Ohh but the westren man must save us from our ignorance, how can we live without their idea of “freedom” // - sarcasm
also it’s funny how they keep talking about women opperssion but nobody speaks about the oppression Uyghur women are facing EVERY DAY OF THEIR LIVES, they only “support” muslim women when it benefits them, the uyghur have benn suffering for years and we haven’t seen any of them “activist” bring this issue to the media.
As a muslim woman it hurts me to see how the westren media only uses us as a way to prove a point and as a “pawn” in their political war, they don’t actually give a **** about us.
I am an ex Muslim who lives in a heavily populated Muslim country and I confirm everything that was discussed in this video. As an ex Muslim that no longer subscribes to the religion yet I have to keep it a secret to myself while being forced to wear a head scarf in fear of being hurt in case I don’t. And it is also the same applies for my hijabi Muslim friends. Videos like this are extremely important to women like me and for this one I thank you
I’m an ex Muslim too who was raised in the Middle East. I’m with you. May you get somewhere where you can be yourself.
God bless you both. May you be set free and be safe.
Some of us literally can’t even begin to comprehend what you are going through, but we can imagine it our minds and I honestly think you are an incredibly strong person for enduring. I am thinking of you and everyone else in your situation.
Sending love!
@@justinkane9731 GOD BLESS BUT SHE IS A AGNOSTIC OR ATHEIST I DONT GETT IT????!!!!
I know a girl from Somalia and she has to cook and clean for her brothers and her father and the brothers can do whatever they want she has to do everything for the brothers. Definitely not what you think of when you think of western feminism.
wtf does that have to do with religion...that's culture,feel bad for her btw
@@handsomesquidward2130 their culture is rooted in their religion
@@Tigerman303 lol no it is not it is culture
@Minimal All cultures are rooted in religions. We have studied undeveloped tribes and most of their customs are based around their religion just as ours all were/are. We have Christmas that was first Yuletide that was born out of pagan religion. This is why religion is important because it helps to create diversity in cultures and when you take that away you get the emalgamation of meaninglessness and apathy seen in a lot of majority atheist Western countries.
I’m a Somali women and yes this is such a problem in our community and I do not believe this is an Islamic problem rather a problem that women face beyond religion. This is rampant in the muslim community as well as outside of it.
Name one Islamic country that's for the LGBT community and women's rights.. I'll wait ...
Well Turkey and Albania tecnicly. But the families would still beat up their kids there. But the law allows it
@@amberlewis8536 I just read up on those place and they're terrible for the LGBT community and women rights
Yeah I said they were okay not super supporting lol. I mean Turkey is a big country anyway. In Istanbul people are very different then in the East of turkey. I can only talk about personal experiences
@@amberlewis8536 turkey is no longer secular and has never really been a great place for gays
@@AreYouGoneAlready unfortunatly religious ppl took overhand now. But who knows when this will change again. I dont think it will stay like that forever. But thats another topic I guess
Nothing says girl power like hiding under a bedsheet for fear of being stoned to death
Lol love this!
If you're forcing a person to conform, you're oppressing them. Simple as that.
Thank you, I’ve never heard/seen it put with such stunning brevity.
Everyone in society is forced to conform. Are they all oppressed? Conforming in itself is not oppression.
Funny how wokes go on about oppression, toxic masculinity and the patriarchy 24/7 but fail to see it when it's right in front of them.
@@taliesinhalliday2483 This.
And how about if they arent force then? Because if you look outside your bubble things arent what has been projected by half ass feminists selectively choosing whether to support others choice. Thats hypocrisy.
It's really funny to me there quick to label "islamaphobia" yet there so blind to see homophobia, misogyny, anti semitism etc
Yet Christianophobia isn't a thing (which im not saying it is ofc)
That chick talking to Blaire I doubt has ever been outside the United States with it's Diet Islam.
She probably hears what happens.. she just doesnt care
She is a lying pile of crap.
I have. I lived in Muslim countries for 4 years. They're all different just like all Christians are different. There's no blanket Muslim scenario.
I've dealt with a lot of Islamists who say there are no Muslim feminists and that no one leaves Islam. A lot of people here would beg to differ, and I applaud them. Leaving Islam is punishable by death (which really questions the whole religion of peace narrative they claim to purport)
I personally know Muslim feminists. I lived in Muslim countries for 4 years. I also have ex-Mulsim friends who still live there.
@@c.r.k.7162 Name them. Both their names and their countries, and we'll see if that's true.
@@patrioticjustice9040 I'm not giving out names of my friends so you can stalk their profiles 😆 They live in Egypt. Just search Muslim Feminists on RUclips if you really want to understand it more.
As an ex-Muslim I just want to add that Muslim girls here in Muslim countries are brainwashed.
I had a Muslim friend praising her brothers and dad for constantly grabbing her phone to check it and for watching her whenever she goes out. I told her that was not okay and she said that that’s actually great cuz us women „sin and do wrong“ in nature if we’re not being watched by our male family members.
There’s another Muslim friend who came to school next day with a small bald spot on her head and bruises on her lip and cheeks. I asked her what happened and she was giggling about how her brother beat her up cuz she went on the balcony without the hijab (head scarf).
She also was excusing his behavior.
It’s extremely sad really
I lived in Morocco for several years. My partner is a Muslim Woman. I converted, because if I didn't she would have done jail time. So saying Muslim Women are not oppressed, when in one of the most "modernized" Islamic countries they clearly are, is a lie.
It's only been a few years since Women won the right not to be forced to marry their rapist in Morocco so that should give you an idea.
In my experience a lot of Muslims retain their rather, for lack of a better word, backwards views on individual rights while living in the West. In fact in Canada nearly all Moroccans congregate in Montreal and form a Moroccan community in Montreal living as they would have in Morocco. That includes the strict control of Women's sexuality.
Another thing that will shock people, in my experience it is the Mothers, the Women, who enforce most of these archaic views and not the Fathers/Men. In fact it is my partner's Mother who tried to force an arranged marriage between her, when she was 14 years old, and her Cousin (who was nearly 40 years old). So... ya know... I can keep going on but it just gets worse.
A billion Muslim women would disagree with you
The thing about the rapist should not have existed. According to the shariah law and Islam, a woman can kill her rapist. Don't know why in Morocco the girl has to marry her rapist.
@@granahmad I know it differs from country to country and even from region to region within the same country. There are two things at play, cultural traditions and religion. Some things attributed to Islam may in fact be attributable to the localized culture instead. People are quick to blame religion at all times. In this case, however, certain Hadiths were used to justify the law as Shariah Law so it was religiously inspired.
@@thepcenthusiastchannel2300 most of the time laws are inspired by culture, and not shariah. And in the cases where its shariah (e.g afghanistan) its a very strict and over the top version that is unnecessary.
@@granahmad
Hey.. all muslims and christians in egypt are egyptians. Why aren't 99% trror activities linking with egyptian christians though ancestors of either group shared the same culture?
This applies to pakistan, bangladesh, lebanon..etc also. 99% of trror activities there aren't linking with non muslims
right??
Whats your response?
Whom or what do you wanna blame?
My cousin living in a Muslim majority country has to wear hijab when outside her home or walking to school so that boys won't bother her.
If a woman get raped the first thing they say about her is if she was or not wearing a hijab.
So please stop saying is a woman choice
Ok, but don't women and men everywhere have to wear a shirt and pants? And dont' most places force women to wear a shirt in public? One culture's idea of proper attire is different from another's . Please judge more fairly.
@@quickseevee3509 hm interesting thought, do the boys also wear hijab?
@@quickseevee3509 You think it's "judging fairly" to support justification that women should be raped for not wearing a hijab? Something that is imposed exclusively to women, with no equivalent being imposed on men? Did you type that and pat yourself on the back for being level-headed and fair?
@@quickseevee3509 i agree that every culture has its own standards, but no culture blames the victim for her clothing choices. Talk about fairness.
@@visathurikha On the contrary, Islam does, and quicksee vee is saying that's fair and not deserving of criticism and scrutiny.
As an ex-muslim from Canada who was sent to Iraq in 2018 after coming out as an atheist, I want to thank you for this. The Modern day feminists tip-toeing around this subject is dangerous as it provides a misconcieved idea that this is a religion of peace and equality. 4:34 of the Quran blatantly backs up the idea that women are to be beaten and that a woman is only half the worth of men in sharia law. I thank you for making this video, more people need their eyes opened.
Oh my GODDDD. Help us ALL. The more i hear of this is the more ALARMED n DISTURBED TO THE EXTREME I become...
WTF...seriously one human being is worth half another human being in 2021. Yea my god. This ....*DEEP SIGHS* F%##@!!! 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯💀💀💀💀🤢🤢🤢🤢🤕🤕🤕
Woah, you don’t know anything about the quran lol
Misleading
Thank you for saying this. For being real and honest. Rarely do you hear the truth. It’s all people that think their narrow 1st world idea is the entire word for the words. Love and respect to you.
Lier, you don't know anything about the Qur'an...quote the verse that says women should be beaten, you just out here giving false information 💀
Don't forget that preventing other men from seeing you aka sexualising you is one thing, but simultaneously men not having to cover up because other woman who see those men could "never" sexualise them means that women aren't viewed as sexual beings which is really sexist.
@Tasmia Chowdhury a concept which is enforced how and where?
I've never been to any Muslim country, but in every western country where I've seen a Muslim woman in hijab, their husbands were wearing normal western clothing, e.g. jeans and a t-shirt, or even a track suit.
@@RamseyRimkeit Men are expected to have everything covered from naval to knee. It is less strict, but it does exist.
@@micki0finn430 wearing only pants not modest
Long sleeved t shirts, the stomach and the legs down to below the knee need to be covered for men. Also beards are normal because beards are the “male” hijab. They cover the face, the man’s sex appeal. Not saying if I agree or not, just saying what the rules are.
Don't talk about it if you're uneducated. Men have to be modest just like women, they even have their own head dressings. Go outside for once, this isn't America.
The whole idea of “choice feminism” (i.e.
Any decision that a woman makes is feminist so long as it’s her choice) is inherently flawed. “Choice feminism” would only be possible if women were able to make decisions in a vacuum (I.e with zero social and/or cultural influence, pressure, etc). Unfortunately, that’s impossible given that we all exist in social and cultural context. The idea that women “choose” to wear hijab simply because they want to and therefore it’s a feminist decision is a good example of the lie that is “choice feminism.”
You could say the same with women and lack of clothes in the west tbh
A phrase like "Any decision that a woman makes is feminist so long as it’s her choice" is inherently dumb as it is not about "feminism" at all. It is about freedom of choice; either you have it or you don't have it.
I agree with you to some extent. For instance I believe the issue of pornography is much more complicated than free choice. Does that mean I think it should be illegal? NO. THOSE women DO have their own bodies and it is not at all for me to say what they should be allowed to do with their bodies. But I witnessed pornography as a young girl and it distorted my sexuality to an extent where it has taken me almost 2 decades to understand functional sexual relationships, and while I don’t think it should be illegal, I think this issue should be talked about OPENLY and HEAVILY so parents can influence their children and young people can understand this alternate perspective.
I don’t think cheating on your spouse should be illegal but I will 100% continue instilling values in my son than make him realize how wrong I think it is. And I will do the same with pornography.
@@Julie-qr9ow
Yes. You could. There is NO reason we should think that because people HAVE choice means that we have to pretend those choices are good. I agree with your comment!
My mom always says “a pendulum has to swing too far the other way before it falls back into the middle”. Probably over simplified but I identify with it. Neither of these extreme positions suit me at all
I don’t judge people as a whole for one aspect of their personality. I make bad choices too but I admit they are not healthy and don’t try to convince other’s that the choices are healthy.
@ubu 9
Oooh such an exciting comment. ❤️ and I happen to be online right now to respond. I totally respect people’s RIGHT to do whatever they want with their own body. It is THEIRS and I will never try to stop them, or look down on them. But I’m quite put off by the cultural expectation of women putting uncomfortable gunk on their face and wearing shoes that hurt their spine.
I had a conversation with my mom one day and I said, I don’t believe men like makeup and heels because NONE of the men interested in me have EVER liked that. She says “yeah obviously, you don’t wear makeup so men who like makeup won’t ask you out”
Woooow hahah it seems so obvious but it never occurred to me until she said it.
Those women are still my friends and I love them. I might have other issues that they don’t have. But I would like them to know that their naked faces are not offensive, they are in fact quite lovely.
The cultural persuasion is very strong as you said. In some ways it can rival the persuasion of laws, because we DON’T even realize it’s persuading us. I still think laws are a million times worse. It leaves those who don’t agree subject to quite inhumane punishments for ridiculous “transgressions”. I will not be arrested for not wearing it, and I can easily find a job without wearing makeup. Just means I work in men’s industries and... I live in the west so the men welcome me. 😊 honestly it seems like it’s the office spaces and such where women are expected to wear makeup. 😬 work in labour and the men don’t give two sh*ts how you dress or even if you brush you hair lol
In the west, you can just forge your own life and not give a flying F*ck what other people think. It might not be perfect, but I made my way in this world and am self sufficient, and haven’t sacrificed an ounce of what I believe. These independent minded women in some countries... I want them to come here and experience it. They deserve it.
I love how some areas consider themselves progressive by allowing a woman to drive. All I see are so-called men not wanting to pick up dry cleaning.
That was only in Saudi Arabia and it's no longer illegal there
My wife's friend is American but married Muslim. She texts her a few days, they set up a date for coffee then goes silent for a few months then the cycle repeats. Like her husband shuts it down.
Wow
I actually set up a code word with my Muslim friend because she was starting to secretly date. She thought I was nuts but did it. She disappeared from work for a few days and I texted her without a response so I called her family and told them if I don't hear from her in the next hour I will call the police. They tried texting me with her phone telling me she was fine and quitting without giving me the code word. I said that's it calling the cops I know this isn't really her. They threatened to kill me and burn my work down but I wasn't going to budge. Next minute she called me and I won't say what happened to her but absolutely horrifying. You wouldn't believe it. They had to let her go back to work and was given some freedom again. Let's say I gave her the choice of reporting the multiple decades long crimes and promised I wouldn't. I shouldn't be telling this story but if it can help 1 other she probably wouldn't mind.
Red flags. I make no definitive statements here, but please try to investigate this while still keeping your family safe.
Maybe she doesn’t want to hang out with your wife? It’s weird to immediately connect it to her Muslim husband. It could be a wide variety of reasons. Would this be the assumption you’d make if your wife’s friend’s husband wasn’t Muslim?
@@Naida96 I would agree but she is the one who initiates the desire to hang out repeatedly, not my wife. The lady doesn't have friends mainly because the Pakistani women don't accept her, cultural differences I guess.
Yasmine’s point she makes at 4:15-4:54 is so important for the “ultra-leftys” to friggin’ understand. I don’t know why they can’t expand their vision to see this??!
I have muslim heritage on my mother's side. Everyone in that side of my family is an atheist, except my great aunt, who was a muslim until her death at 102 years of age. My family are the biggest critics of Islam I've ever heard. Not a single one of them is under any illusion it is in any way compatible with feminism.
they don't know islam not the fake islam of today but quranic islam
@@goddesssynergy3271 Oh yes, the message of a 7th century caravan robber who happens to also be a pedophile, is the greatest feminist of all-time. 🤡
Sadly that's true
im a south asian woman in the uk. im hindu, its not easy being a brown woman here. racial tensions are high, brown women feel guilty for making brown men look bad. its why even when our wellbeing is at stake, brown women will never admit that sexism is a problem within our communities. you really cannot be a feminist and a hindu at the same time, so much of the history and culture accommodates crazy levels of sexism. men can sleep with any woman they want but still also demand a virgin bride in his marriage, he can divorce and remarry whereas women cannot, women should always be virgins and if they have sex then they are dirty. you cant enter a temple if you are on your period because 'its dirty', men dont want women to have sex freely and choose their partners, arranged marriages are rampant etc. im not muslim but you can see how it intersects
I'm also in the UK and I have a British mother and Jewish Israeli father. I have completely rejected my father's culture and religion and somehow he's not died of shock or disowned me. I even got away with giving him a round of applause when after 30+ years he got up from the table after a shabbat meal and offered to make tea and coffee for everyone. I was in shock and that's not an over exaggeration. For my entire life he's treated his wife (my step mother) like a maid who is only there to pump out babies, cook, clean etc...For him to get up off his ass and actually make himself useful was mind blowing to me. My family in Israel are just as backwards and I'll be happy if I never have to see any of them again now that my grandmother has died. It's like they're stuck in the 1950s or something. I just don't understand why men of many religions use their religion as an excuse to be useless and lazy. It's pathetic and funny in my eyes and there is no way I could marry a man from a religion where the women are married off just to be a second mother to these "men" who have no basic life skills.
@@fiveohfivethree @PennyPillow Thank you both for sharing, I really like to read self lived input on this topic and its so important that you speak on it 🙏
a lot India has Islamic culture from the Mughal era
@@linaulnes8821 Ha! Speaking out is definitely not a problem I've ever had but I I was born and raised in the UK and it was the British side of the family that raised me. I think this is why it is always such a culture shock when I visit Israel. I can see what my life could've been like had it been my dad's side of the family that raised me. I can taste the bile in my throat whenever I think about it.
Whenever I feel like I don't belong in my own country (usually after someone asks where I'm from and not in the "what part of the country are you from" way...) and feel like I missed out being part of and belonging to one specific ethnic community I very quickly remember what the trade off would have been.
You can never make men look bad. Only they can make themselves look bad. You are an individual and I hope that you will find your place in this world, away from the awfulness of people who judge one gender on the other’s actions, or a race based on the other member’s actions. ❤️
Btw there are people who will ask “where are you from” and are racist and people who ask it just because they are adventurous and good spirited. I’m in Canada and I always ask that, but I ask it of white people too, and I usually ask “where are your ancestors from?” So I’m implying less. And I love talking about where my ancestors are from even though no one really cares. 😂 anyway I’m sure you can usually tell the difference between racists and well-wishers. I just wanted to shed some light on that.
I’ve heard the “i choose to wear it. That’s what feminism is… supporting women to make their own choices.” It’s the same as when I hear extreme conservative Christian women saying they “choose” to “serve” their husband, have 8 kids, cook/clean, not go to school, not have hobbies/friends/ not have access to money or make any choices in life, etc. Same as porn stars who started when they were teens or trafficked now say they “choose” to be pissed on/choked/beaten/gang banged on film.
They are still under the spell. They do mental gymnastics to find a way to still pledge allegiance to the ‘cult’ they’re in but convince themselves that they are “choosing” it, so it’s ok.
Do you choose to wear clothing? Or do you feel comfortable being naked in public?
It's a choice now, because not only you aren't meant to question anything that your religion tells you, you have to believe in it as well. Policing language has been going on for centuries, it isn't new. But the fact that many women of islam wear burqas, is because Muhammed had a perverted friend named Omar who once looked inappropriately at one of Muhammed's objects, aka his wife, and from then it was a rule.
The problem isn't Hijab per say. It is the lack of choice and freedom that is the problem. No way a free democratic western world would ignore enforcing submission and oppression. It does not mean western nations are free from it, but the goal is to work on dismantling it rather than enforcing it.
Exactly . Everyone should have a choice to dress how they want . Wheatger that a bikini or a hijab . That’s what we should all want
Yet, American women must cover their breasts in most jurisdictions.
My Muslim friend growing up who also escaped the Muslim culture also said exactly what these girls said, great job covering it, she was almost offended seeing other women in the USA wearing one because she had believed if you come to the USA and you're free then why wouldn't you want to be completely free?
@Maksud Mehraz she was a true Muslim who came from Iraq a few years prior, after her grandmother died from a building fire she thinks was from an explosion she came to America and her parents got divorced here even and she was normal, she had Muslim and American friends but she soon wore shorts and t shirts and liked the culture much better. She was tired of men treating her like a object and refused to go back to marry a 40 year old man and met a Muslim man here who was Americanized and they were happy and the same age too. He let her keep her hair showing and let her wear shorts and sandals and t shirts and such and she said she didn't like it there because between the war going on there and the forced marriages and how her dad treated her mom before they divorced she wanted the freedom of Americans. She is a true Muslim but some women just choose not to be forced into marriage from a man their parents age and forced to wear lots of clothing, some women just want freedom and in America where else is more free, why wouldn't more Muslim women want to be free they don't need a hijab here so why would they want to wear it? She still practices the religion and fasts for Ramadan and such, as part of the Quran you're not obligated to wear a hijab or dress head to toe in clothes.
@Maksud Mehraz she didn't even come to America until 16 years old so she spend 16 years in Iraq I'm pretty sure she knew what she was talking about.
@Maksud Mehraz are you saying you have more understanding of this stuff then her and you might not even be from Iraq?
@Maksud Mehraz I don't believe she carried the trauma with her but just wants the freedoms I have and many other of her friends. Whats so wrong with wanting freedom? And she is religious about her faith she goes there often.
@@Sam21998 you are obligated to wear the hijab by the quran. besides, the quran tells us to follow both the quran *and* hadith where it's known that the hijab is obligatory. it's also common knowledge for muslims that most iraqis are shia
People can do what they want. The problem always seems to come from people who want to control others.
Exactly this!!! 🙌
Thank you!
@@amun6535that's what religion does control people
Non-muslim: "You can't be a feminist Muslim"
Muslim woman: "Yes I can!"
Non-muslim: "Oh awesome, prove it by taking off your hijab!"
Muslim woman: "...shit"
Well it's part of the religion ,u cannot just take it off....u see it as a piece of clothing ,they see it as faith in god .they wear it not cuz they cover themself for men,they wear it to show their faith in god.im muslim and i dont wear the hijab so stop with the bs
Fun fact:also men should cover themselfs but they just dont do it
@@anonymous-qt2wq its true they have rules to cover as well but unlike women they don't follow them. it isnt right
@@anonymous-qt2wq first you say that its part of the religion and you can't take it off, then you say you are muslim but you don't wear the hijab. which is it?
@@carnivorewitch yeah once you wear ,u should commit to it .and i do sin so..
That's like asking someone to take off her top. She would feel naked.
The fact Islam is becoming bigger scares me.
I can't understand how many western women likes muslim men and defends islam it's mental.
What a powerful video!
This is why it is very important to push against cultural relativism.
As a jewish woman who was raised chasidic (ultra orthodox) I feel so much empathy for exited Muslim women. I was raised in a similar and extreme modesty culture as well.
Women and young girls were not allowed to wear pants, short sleeves or even have uncovered collarbones. I remember at the age of 13 when my mother remarried I was no longer allowed to sing in the house because women and girls singing voices were seen as inherently sensual and immodest.
The synagogues we went to were all sex segregated as well. The main section was for the men for praying out loud, singing, as well as dancing. The women were kept in the back as passive onlookers with a partition between the two and visual obstruction (like one way mirror.) No singing was allowed, no dancing, and we had to mouth our prayers or keep then to a whisper.
Many women in the communities were forbidden from driving as well, or working jobs outside of the community. Most women ended up working as teachers and secretaries for that reason.
Also the jewish law (halachah) was heavily skewed in mens favor. For example, only men can divorce their spouses. If a woman wants a divorce she would have to request it and even then, her husband can deny the request. Also the Jewish court (beis din) only allow men as judges so any type of dispute would likely end with the wife getting the shorter end of the stick. It's also important to keep in mind that it is against Jewish law to take another jew to a non Jewish court (any ACTUAL court in the US) and the stigma related to that is enough to protect the men in power. Also, women are forbidden from studying halachah.
To top it all off I had to live with the fact that on a daily basis every man or boy I knew was saying a prayer thanking god for not making them a woman (sheloi asani isha.)
I know many liberals and people in general that would be willing to go to bat for communities like this. They'd say something catchy and cliche like "who am I to judge" "to each their own" or "whatever works for them." I'd really like to push back on that.
Statements like that are ridiculous generalizations and can be dangerous. The message behind this attitude of cultural relativism basically says that while people in 'my culture' may find these acts/statements/laws absolutely abhorrent I still should not question anything because it works for people in the other culture. This idea operates under the assumption that oppressed people in other cultures are SO different from us that they actually enjoy their subjugation. That women like me, or the muslim women in this video have somehow chosen this oppression and that we were entirely free from coercion if we did choose it.
People are not like this. And I am so tired of conversations like this being controversial. I understand that we may not have the same experiences across the board but I am so tired of being told that opinions are invalid simply because they come from people without personal experience.
I WISH more feminists felt comfortable speaking on topics like this. Because people are being harmed by our silence.
Anyway sorry for the long comment. Just really needed to get this off my chest.
Hi I'm Jewish too but you said you used to be 13 and I still am 13
Remarkable
Hello, we're currently having a debate about France banning burqas, and our take on it is religious freedom.
In our case study, the French Muslim women protested against the bill, for they favor the traditional Muslim clothing.
I strongly believe that out of all the ethical principles that were taught to us, Cultural Relativism was the most appropriate principle to use in defending religious freedom.
I did some research, such as the concept of Universalism to strengthen the "no absolute truth" and Pluralism being falsely practiced by the French lawmakers as they acted out of technicality and political affairs, they also stated that they believed they emancipated the Muslim women from religion, but they replied otherwise.
TLDR; I would just like to ask if you believe that religion should be abolished since it is restrictive in nature, and should cultural relativism be abolished along with it, since secularization is much more favored nowadays? Should culture be secularized as well?, especially those with religious roots?
Wow that’s really intense! I have a really close Jewish friend and her family was not even close to as authoritarian. That’s crazy how different things can be depending on the situation. I really feel for you and I’m really sorry you had to go through that. I also completely agree, if people were real feminists they would be having these important conversations. No one will or should choose their own oppression and it’s not ok to just “let it slide” while people are getting hurt. That’s the true bigoted behavior we need to eliminate from this world.
@@tortlenoises9166 I don't necessarily have any helpful input regarding the political situation you described, but I will chime in and say I've recently heard Natasha Crain describe quite well how secularism is still hugely subjective and that even when leaving religion out of things, it is impossible for everyone to agree on a common definition of goodness or morality. This presents us with a bit of an unsolvable problem, but I found her discussion on that to be insightful.
Being afraid of people who think they are entitled to kill you just because you don't believe what they do DOES NOT seem unreasonable to me....So YES, I am a PROUD "ISLAMOPHOBE"!!! Thank you!!!
Thank you so much Arielle! As an ex Muslim myself I am so bothered by people labeling me all sorts of things, uneducated, not understanding Islam, whore, etc. while my decision to leave was actually a result of Islamic education, of questioning the dehumanization of females and queer people (I am both queer and a female). Thank you for speaking about it on your platform! To me this is very important.
I'm aroace and a female too. That's why I could never connect to Islam either. The constant shit talk about the LGBT and completely lack of regard for my sexuality, to not talk about the forcing me into it, like a cult. I really hope you're happy and doing amazing.
I am muslim and lesbian in Turkey. I mostly agree about children and forcing to wear hijab is wrong. I don't know about is Western countries but here in Turkey it's not that commen. And most of my family and friends are against these kind of laws in western countries. But homophobia is really a big issue here too. I think it's mostly about ignorance. I don't agree with everything but it's nice to listen people's opinion in peaceful way.
Turkey is the only secular Muslim country, that’s why it’s the most successful one. Turkey is an exception.
Isn't homosexuality against Islsm ??
@@winxclubstellamusa and its not even secular anymore...
@@alex.profi27 turkey isn’t secular anymore? How?
@@winxclubstellamusa the fact that they shut down Hagia Sophia,which is a cultural icon and symbol of Christianity,which dates back to before the turks even knew what Constantinopol was
And the way erdogan rules the country and you can see more women wearing hijab than ever before in instanbul...
I know this second hand,from my mother...
I was born in the Middle East and I can confirm the 2 ex Muslim ladies are speaking truth. Women have no right. Theyre always submissive to men. A woman in Islam is considered half a man and if a woman speaks about anything she gets treated really badly. Women in Islam is a second class citizen. Women have to wear a hijab to be modest, but a man is okay to wear whatever he wants and look at woman freely. There’s a misconception in the west that Islam is a religion of peace but in reality the word “Islam” means “submission”. Everyone loves to throw around the word “islamaphobia” whenever Islam is being criticised whereas it’s okay to criticise any other religion and it’s fine and it’s free speech. I don’t understand these people sometimes. Great video btw!
you're lying lol. muslim men also has to follow rules about dressing. but of course its different from women because a man and a woman body is different. men also can't look at women freely. every muslim, man and woman, has to "lower their gaze" meaning they have to avoid to look at other people's ‘Awrah (body parts that must be covered). please do not spread misinformation about something you clearly know nothing about.
@@honeydew4654 so answer this for me… if a woman gets raped who gets the most blame? The woman has to have so many witnesses in court to prove that she was raped. The woman has to stay silent to avoid backlash or even honour killing because it’ll be her fault that she was raped. I’m from the Middle East so don’t tell me I don’t know anything. I’ve seen this way too many times to spread “misinformation”.
@@marinae.3504 You're literally allowed to kill your rapist in islam. Don't speak like you've been to every Muslim country, what you're talking about is the culture where you're from. I'm from a Muslim country too, and there aren't such things here. Just because the people who follow the religion represent it in a bad way doesn't mean everyone who follows the religion have the same experience nor does it mean the religion is bad.
@@marinae.3504 Men can’t wear whatever they want- before hijab, men had to lower their gaze…and they still do. I find it amusing how you claim you’re from a Muslim country, yet you have no knowledge about Islam. Men have to dress modestly like women, they just don’t have to cover hair. And how the hell would we be “second class citizens” when we’re empowered so much? I love modesty because at least I’m a respectable young lady that doesn’t enjoy going outside in booty shorts and bras unlike some disgusting women that depend on men for money in return for s3x. And now you wonder why the US has a 50% divorce rate.
As a Muslim American married to a Muslim American woman who has a Gay son . How he lives his life is his issue and how I live my life is my issue . The Quaran says any thing in extreme is a sin weather for good or bad . Also The Quran says nothing about covering ...also The Quran says you have your belief and I have mine . If God is the judge i have no right to judge any one .
Tolerance and love for others are a huge part of Islam, but many people don't get that
There are so many more f'ed up things. I'm an English teacher and was teaching in Azerbaijan which tries to sell itself as modern but it rotten to the core. I had a very sleepy student. She was about 25 and kept falling asleep in class. She worked for a national company. She said "my dad and brother were watching movies all night." I asked ok and?? "Our house only has one room" I said well didn't you ask them to turn it down at least? She said "I can't disrespect them"
this has nothing to do w islam, u can find sexist male family members everywhere
I'm a French, white straight man over 50, just discovered your channel. I finished binged watching loads of your videos and I'm mesmerized with your mix of courage and intelligence. That episode right here emoved me. Thank you so much for your fight for our "Humans a large" rights 💛❤
You don t need to state your race. Ofc you re white. You re french. Just because there are minorities of different colour and religion in france,that doesn t erase the natives that liver there( that s you) and your identity
@@alex.profi27 have you been to France lately? I'm asking because being French nowadays is really far from implying being white. Don't trust the stereotypes or the 70s movies
@@LePingouin92 i ve been to france
It doesn t matter that there s a lot of immigrants
Being french is not just a nationality
Its an ethnicity
I was raised as a muslim, now I’m christain/spiritual. I found it very hard to connect with any higher power as a muslim bc it always felt cult-like and forced. But as a christain bruja, now im more connected with the divine creator and nature and spirit as a whole because it feels more natural now. I can pray whenever i feel i need to rather than a forced daily 5 prayers. Would love to hear more about this and im thinking of starting my own podcast and going more in depth of my own experiences with islam and how negatively it has affected me even to this day. There’s whole chapters of the quran that i still have memorized even though ive left the religion for 5 years now.
I'm an ex muslim athiest, usually when I see someone who has a death experience or see's a miracle, it's always a prayer upon jesus compared to other religions
Thank you for bringing light on the ACTUAL feminism that matters (real feminism, I should say..since most these days isn’t what feminism was meant to be/very anti-man/not fighting for real problems) this is absolutely refreshing to hear! Keep doing what you do❣️ ♥️
These woman cover themselves to "feel safer" because they were TAUGHT and SCARED into thinking that's the only way. Would they still cover if they had a place to feel safe? Would they still cover if they weren't brought up in that ideology? Would they still cover if they didn't fear being rejected, harrassed, or even harmed by their society? And finally, would they still cover if they weren't taught to be ashamed of their own bodys (did you know they are supposed to hide the fact they're on their periods to the point they can't speak about it, can't pray, touch the Quran, or fast, but still pretend to as to not let people know especially men) and taught that it's their fault if a man harasses them or worse rapes them? I'm all for people dressing and expessing themselves in any way they want to and I'm sure a lot of Muslim woman that grew up in the western world do more freely choose to wear hijab, niqab, abaya, ect.. and that's fine but that doesn't mean we shouldn't point out where it all stems from and the harm it does cause for many woman in the culture.
Thank you so much for this video.
I'm ex muslim I live in Islamic country, and I cannot say these things where I live. Illegal and haram.
They all knows exactly what islam is when they are in islamic country, BUT they always say "she/he just doesn't know what islam is" when someone from non islamic country criticize something in islam.
Or they kill him/her, and start playing the victim
They all want muslim women to have their free to wear hijab/niqab/khimar but when another muslim women don't want to wear it they start judging and criticizing them ( even by other muslim women ) and force it on them and hit them.
No one can really know the feeling if she never lived in islamic country with muslim family, and especially she's ex muslim
It is important to remove toxic people from your life so it makes sense that sometimes being disowned is a blessing in disguise because said toxic people have removed themselves.
Asking a muslim woman if she wants to wear a hijab is like asking those women in a Handmaid's Tale if they're happy.
I chose to wear the hijab, fight me
@@yusrahadi3973 Making the watchers happy with your online history, I see I see, very smart of you
@@WildZephyr lost case
THIS. This is the most important anti-SJW message of all. You are a true heroine for this video.
LOL people who call out the hate in Judaism are labeled as anti-Semites. I’ve NEVER seen you dare to toe that line, Arielle.
I used to be an anti-Zionist, pro-Palestinian Muslim - after visiting the Middle East, I actually turned a total 180. I want Israel to be the thorn on Islam's side. They have over 50 countries and 1 Jewish state that's Swiss cheesed even though they won it fair and square in a war. Israel is way too nice in my opinion. Oh, and it's the only country in that whole area where women can actually wear shorts without getting stoned to death. lol
@@carnivorewitch There is way more than 1 Jwish state; my country is one of many and I hate it. Yeah, constantly forcing millions of my people to die for the glory of Israel over the last century is definitely ‘too nice’ . Why are these poor little volcano demon worshippers persecuted so?! Imagine coming to my 8 month old comment just to shill for Israel like this. LMAO
I wear a hijab because I love Allah, and not only that. It is just my own choice to wear it. It is not like that I wear it because of I am afraid of being burned. I wear it because I love myself and I respect people who don’t believe or who believe but don’t wear a hijab. It is everyone’s own choice. And there are a lot of Muslim girls who don’t wear a hijab. I am not forced to wear it. I love my hijab and my religion. There are maybe a lot of girls who are forced to wear it, but that is more cultural or character of the person who force her to wear it. It is not allowed in Islam to force someone.
"It is not allowed in Islam to force someone."
And yet it happens.
@@Javitomanzano yeah you are right, it is so sad 😞
@@Javitomanzano but it is not because of the religion, it is because of culture or character of a person.
@@Javitomanzano sorry my English is not good 😊
@@Javitomanzano I don’t know you are Muslim or not. But if you want to know what Islam really is you can read the translation of the Quran. And then you will find out what the real Islam is.
I'm a lesbian, born and raised in Southern California. I've always been very non-religious, never been a fan of it. My Ex is a Arab Muslim woman, born and raised in a Islamic country, therefore I got a good idea what that religion is really about. My Ex was not against her religion, but she refused to wear a hijab. Btw, wearing a hijab is not required under Islam, it's only recommended. Under Sharia Law, it's required. The hijab wasn't even part of Islam in the beginning. Women aren't the only ones oppressed in under Sharia Law, men are too. Sharia is what needs to be obliterated.
Thank you!
I will meet you half way and agree
Mohamed himself say that women should cover themselves though and, if they don’t they’re basically asking for it.
Ok so “recommended” is an arbitrary statement and depends on your interpretation of the text, which varies from culture to culture and person to person. It is INDEED very obvious if you read the entire Quaran and Hadith that it is mandated by Muhammad. Whether that is mandated by ALLAH is a bit more of a grey area and can be debated. For any Muslim that follows the Hadith religiously, it is INDEED MANDATORY.
(For if you follow the teachings of MUHAMMAD, as muslims are SUPPOSED TO, then you must follow his hadith which teaches women must cover).
As far as the hijab not being part of Islam originally seems bizarre. Islam is based on Christianity and Judaism. Even in strict Judaism the women are supposed to wear head coverings.
I suggest anyone who wants to understand the devout followings of Islam, they read the Hadith rather than the Quaran. Because in the Quaran it teaches that you must follow the prophet, and the Hadith are the “legacy” of the prophet. I have looked into this extensively with an open mind, and no matter what people’s individual interpretations are (some of them can be quite lovely of course) there is an obvious reality when you read the Quaran AND Hadith (teachings and stories of Muhhamad) and the reality is that if you are to believe the TEXT as Yasmine says, coverings are mandatory. She also stated many muslims are loose with their interpretations of this, which should not be forgotten. (Because they are, you know, human)
You can read Hadith on Sunnah.com. Enter at your own risk.
Btw I had an ex boyfriend who was muslim and helped me understand a lot of this. His own father refused to force their daughter to wear hijab, and actually moved here to Canada so SHE would have opportunities. Decent people. 👍 but even with all that, he lives in fear that she will go to hell for not wearing it. All muslims are different. But read the Hadith and tell me if you think the text mandates it or not. It’s to the point of not being debatable.
The primary goal according to the Quaran is to follow the example of the prophet. The prophet says many times (according to Islamic scholars) that women should cover themselves in the presence of men, and quite frankly it’s one of the least disgusting things he says about women. Check out the link I included. Just make sure you are prepared for what you will read because it’s not pleasant for decent people like you. And I don’t say this out of hatred. It’s literally confirmed (the text on that link) by my ex who isn’t even a woman hater, and doesn’t even follow the hadith 100% because again, he’s... you know... human. 👍
@@yomanyohan6828 Where I do agree with what you say the text speaks of 'over cloth' covering the chest of women. So this can be on your shoulders and basically means don't be provocative or draw sexual attention to yourself. Their prophet changed this and besides his first wife (who was also his boss) he now forced his many wives to cover from head to toe. And since the way of life of their prophet is what they must follow the head covering part became part of islam by the hadith and not the quran.
I am NOT against people of any color. I can stand by that as my moral compass. But I get online a lot. I have spoken to men from the Middle East for business inquiries, and MOST of the time, they talk down to me, and start to talk sexually towards me. It is a disgusting feeling, and I feel like something is just… so wrong. If there is any place I won’t visit in my lifetime, that’s it.
I lived in Muslim countries for 4 years. Many Arab men think western women are sluty and want sex. However, many others would never behave like that and find it humiliating and extremely disrespectful.
Arielle I love your content (Coming from a straight dude). Keep posting your input on the issues we are having with political correctness and divisiveness today!
Didn't women recently get the right to drive a car in Saudia Arabia??? Yup...equality.....HAHAHAHAH !!!!!
This entire video is too biased. The culture in muslim countries is the culprit not the religion necessarily. Also, this ex-muslim rhetoric very overdone. This rhetoric has been used so many times as a weapon by the right to further dehumanize muslims and the people living in these so called muslim countries. This allows the general public so be against muslims as a whole and more likely to support having wars in muslim countries which in turn leads to nothing but the death of THOUSANDS of innocent lives. This deteriorates and country from further developing and expanding human rights. THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK PLEASE. I appreciate you giving a voice and perspective to ex-muslims but your video would have been more nuanced if you included an actual muslim feminist.
I recommend the book Headscarves and Hymens by Mona Eltahawy, she’s a muslim feminist that explains very well why she’s against the hijab.
I agree, I often agree with Arielle but this video was just not good at all.
Exactly!!! It’s not Islam but the culture of some of these countries that was most likely present before the introduction of Islam.
I was raised Muslim. The hijab isn’t oppressive, we should support women in what ever they choose.
One of my heroines is Farrokhrou Parsa, a feminist and physician who in 1979 was Iran’s first and only female cabinet member. She was put to death by firing squad in May 1980 at age 58 for refusing the edict issued by Iran's new Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khomeini that said all females in Iran age 7 and up now had to wear the head-to-toe portable black cloth prisons known as the chador when outside the house.
These chadors had no fasteners, so girls & women had to keep them closed by clutching the cloth in their hands from inside at the neck and waist. This meant girls & women could not use their hands for anything else, such as opening a door, paying bus fare, carrying a purse or child, holding a child's hand, breaking a fall or defending themselves against male gropers and attackers. The purpose of the chador wasn't just to shame and cover girls & women, it was to disable them & remove them from public life.
In her last message from prison prior to her execution, Parsa wrote to her children: “I am prepared to receive death with open arms rather than live in shame by being forced to be veiled. I am not going to bow to those who expect me to express regret for 50 years of efforts for equality between men and women. I am not prepared to wear the chador and step back in history.”
I always remember what Christopher Hitchens said about "islamophobia".
'phobia' suggests an irrational fear. There's nothing irrational about fearing Islam.
and there is nothing irrational about disliking the alphabet people
I am 100 percent afraid of this bat shit crazy weird religion...
@@RAH.910 I corrected the v it's ok the RELIGION is still a piece of shit nightmare
I live in a country that is 99% Muslim, and I have to say from my personal experience that they are the kindest people I have ever met.
@@RAH.910 yeah there is. They are born that way and you have a phobia against how somebody is born?
Why cant we create a society where everyone can wear whatever the hell they want to wear by their own choice rather than fear and coercion.
So if someone goes out naked you have no problem?
@@leexmass I referenced that to the hijab controversy, and I said "can wear whatever" how come being naked is considered a dressing?
And secondly People don't have problems with that in rural regions of Africa so why should I?
@@Nonhumanactivity because when you say you can wear whatever the hell you want it means you're not putting any boundaries. Forget being naked, would it be okay with you if people were to go out in bikinis and mankinis ?(if you haven't seen a mankini just google it. It basically only covers the penis) you can't have a problem with it because they're technically "wearing" something but it's no actual clothes just like really tite gym wear it's basically just an extra layer of skin. As for the African tribes well they haven't been educated on self respect , that's the point of hijab and modest clothing in Islam in general. It's to protect our bodies and respect it and not be animals. It's not just women that have to cover up,we men also have to cover our bodies from our knees to our chest. It's basic human function and any sane person would feel uncomfortable if their son or daughter or even themselves would go out have naked exposing their bodies to the public
@@leexmass Africans are not educated on self respect that's the most racist thing I can ever hear no they aren't perverts that's the thing, as far as humans are concerned we are animals we are born naked, and sexualizing a naked body is utter nonsense, as far as modesty is concerned yes it's good but if you think of yourself highly or worse a divine being for just covering yourself more than your fellow human being that's total narcissist behaviour.
@@leexmassthe human body is not a sin… relax and those African tribes and a lot of tribes around the world as well don’t feel the need for clothes and that’s fine! If you want to protect your body… buy a gun let people be… I will let you wear your hijab if you don’t force it on others
I never understood the people that think Islam is a religion of Peace and very accepting. The Islam leaders don't lie about their beliefs.
The perfect Marvel/DC comic idea! A female who escapes the middle east and fights for real women's rights! Instead of black facing current female super heroes why not do this?!??! Boom free idea now make it happen!
We’ve got that with Kamala Khan where her faith actually makes her a stronger and better person
@@DC-MarvelGirl1997 she wasnt the first. Dust came before and she was an X-Man.
I love this!!! Arielle, this very ballsy to talk about this, and people need to hear this. you got my respect.
What's ballsy about this? She's spreading misinformation.
I remember in college I took a course on feminism and Islam. Where basically some women said they felt wearing a hijab itself was a feminist act. The professor didn’t really allow for discussion unless it was what she agreed with unfortunately.
Ugh that sucks! I agree that hijab is a can absolutely be a feminist act. That professor failed her class with her own biases.
That's pretty much how that goes. LOL. I'm a hijabi and the funny thing is the hijabis I know are strong as heck. They wouldn't let no body (even a spouse) tell them how to dress, whether it's to cover or not to cover. They do what they believe in. And apparently they won't let the world stop them either. Those are some strong women.
the only thing I learned going to a university is that there are a lot of idiots teaching at them
@@quickseevee3509thank you, this is so true!
@@quickseevee3509100% because it is such a significant part of their culture there doesn't need to be someone to tell you to wear it. They know if they don't they will be condemned. Women living in these countries under Islamic law would never think to disobey Islamic law as it could come at the cost of their life. To admit it is sexist as a Muslim woman puts you in real danger so of course they are oppressed. The illusion of free choice exists in every society.
Thank you so very much for this!!
I have to say I could never wrap my head around feminists saying the Muslim faith is good for women and yet saying America hates women. 🤨
Islam empowers women. You have been lied to. And deceived. Ask a real hijabi about it.
@@quickseevee3509 i love you thank you. if a "muslim " women is being oppresive or something its a problem on her that dosnt reflect the religion. if a womene is being put down its cuz of her culture. it irritates me sooooo much when people confuse religion and culture
@@quickseevee3509 how does islam empower women?
@@rohafatima9621 it literally says to beat your wife in 4 34 if she is not obident.
@@quickseevee3509 how does Islam empower women? You still haven't answered, I'm genuinely curious
This is an unfortunately weak and one sided video
womp womp
It all boggles down to interpretation of the Quran. I lived in Egypt for a short time. There are many reasons why women wear Hijab. It's a societal thing like wearing a bra. Sooner or later they wear a hijab. Other choose not to wear it. Some wear it because they don't like their hair. I met a Muslim who never wears a hijab but always wears like a camisole to cover her chest. Some say that a niqab brings you closer to Allah. I had a male Egyptian friend who says that he knows women who wear is outside the house but at house parties, they don't. There are societies where the husband can give an opinion whether the wife wears a hijab or not. Some men don't care. You have to talk to 100s of hijabi women in order to understand where people come from and why they wear it. It depends on the country. The problem is that society sees it as "Muslim" when we should look at "Iran, Egypt, Morocco, etc..."
Yes!
Exactly! Islam is a religion practiced in multiple countries outside of the Middle East. I think when you look only at middle eastern countries, unfortunately a lot of women are forced into wearing the hijab. But outside of that region, I think there are many different reasons. For example in Ghana (Islam is common), you may see a family where one sister wears the hijab and another doesn’t for their own reasons
I lived in Egypt for 3 years and you are 100% correct. People try to over-simply and generalize so much regarding cultures they've never experienced.
So why don't we condemn the middle east for this
All religion treats lgbt like “shit” the bible has been changed so many times
Just bought Yasmine’s book on Amazon! So excited to hear more from her. Thank you for content like this Arielle- I love hearing from women who are true thought leaders! 🌹🌹🌹
How is a woman chooseing to wear a statement that says she won't allow any man to play her and toss her oppression? Hijabs stand for a garment that tells anyone who sees her she won't settle for being used and tossed. A man has to come at her correctly and do right by her. No one forces a hijabi to cover or not cover. She's strong and her own person.
She also isn't groomed into thinking a woman should be promiscuous because men do it or that living in a way that servers mens carnal desires puts her ahead of men. She's wise , decisive and strong. Modern feminists have been pimped and groomed severely. Modernly women aren't standing against men. Theyre their toys.
The govt has to force men to do paternity tests and pay child support. Hijabis are trying to fight so it never comes to that. Wake us Celeste. The hijab isn't about oppression. It's about empowering us for men to respect us as humans and people. NOt as their toys or as if women are a joke. I just wish you knew a real hijabi. Those women are strong and don't take no stuff.
They're trying to force women to dress as they want them to? How is this leadership? This is cruel and oppression. Also hateful. Would you like it if a group wrote a book speaking against how you like to dress?
I'm conflicted...
I could totally see some women wearing the hijab because they hate attention ... or being possibly sexually objectified ... so this is their way of being against that...
The reason why I'm conflicted is because I don't think this 'modesty' comes exclusively from religion/Islam. I'm a modest person as well ... I don't agree that sexual liberation = promiscuity, kinks, and fetishes. I don't walk into a club wearing mesh shirts and booty shorts because I don't feel comfortable in that. This isn't because I'm oppressed or because I have internalised hatred for my body. I just prefer wearing baggy sweat pants pretty much 24/7...
I think these same feelings can be felt in some women who really just feel way more comfortable wearing baggy clothing, etc. and things like the hijab. I don't think it always stems from trauma or trying to subjugate themselves.
I agree with what you are saying. But I don't think they are simply talking about modesty. What they are expressing is that from a very young age, the majority of girls are taught to be in fear of getting attention, shamed or even attacked if they do not cover up.
Religion also gives this sense of high morality where if you follow the rules then you are "good". But if you don't, then you are bad and deserve what you get. This can be found in many cultures and religions.
@@marjf149it's different for different Muslim women.
One can't be a supporter of misogyny and a feminist. That's true for Muslims and Republican women.
Why don't you interview people who actually wear hijabs and are actual muslims. Yet again biased as hell..
Yeah, man. I'm tempted to make a reaction video but I don't have a good camera!
Words can't describe how thankful I am that you use your platform to preach the truth! I have been surrounded by muslims my entire life and hijab wearing is definitely opressive.
How is voluntarily wearing a scarf oppressive? Women wear them to the laundry matt, and to the grocery store all the time. NO one forces a hijabi to wear it. How are you brainswashed to only hear the people saying it's oppressive and to ignore the hundreds and thousands of hijabs who say they love it and do it because they believe in it and that it empowers them
Good for you Arielle for talking about this !
For spreading hate?
I'm an African christian girl, I have so many muslim girlfriends from the middle east, and I noticed that once they travel to their country they're forced to wear hijab but once they leave the middle east they take off their hijab and behave differently , I hope someday these women get to choose who they really want to be.
If you're Muslim, fine. But don't sugarcoat the religion as inclusive and progressive. Own it for what it actually is.
As a muslim woman living in the middle east, I respect all opinions.
I do have to point out though, there's a serious mix up between culture and religion. I believe my religion is very fair, but my culture isn't. I noticed people have a way of twisting culture in forms of religion.
Yes! I wish she would address that. Islam itself never says to treat woman bad or hate gay people.
@@rheaahuja7219 Arielle is just ignorant she would never speak out against Christianity
I will recommend you to watch Apostate Prophet. I am an ex muslim atheist. Islam does tell to kill gay people.
It's ur religion that demands it. The culture excuse has been debunked by many many Islam experts and ex Muslims.
Everything Muslims claim is culture not religious is found in the Quran or authentic hadiths.
Ur religion is not reasonable, sensible, or peaceful.
Islamic culture is what it is 😂 buzzo
I'm impressed by your courage to talk about such issues Arrielle. But be carefull because islamists live in the western world. I can name you from my country (France) a teenage lesbian named Mila and an ex-muslim journalist named Zineb El Rhazoui that are under the threat of islam. Both of them said what they think about Islam and both of them have to live under police protection. I don't want to scare you but honestly i'm scared because statistics show that 29% of French muslim wish for the Chariah to be the state law in France. And that number nearly doubles when you focus on younger generation.
Good luck in figting them, i hope france will survive and if not czechs will avenge you
I’m so sorry for the strange situation in France that you’re living through right now. Vive la France!! I’m scared too, in Canada. Maybe not as scared as you are in France, but still scared. I have so much respect for Arielle, speaking about this topic is terrifying, and for some pathetic reason it takes a lot of bravery right now.
(Because pathetic people make it so).
Caring this much about women, gays, human rights... that takes courage. Very proud of Jasmine as well.
(Edit: Yasmine*)
i find it funny when some muslim ppl migrate to a diffrent country (france for exemple) start living there, then demand that country to adopt their religion in the law. LMAO. honey good luck! if that ever happens kiss your country goodbye.
Absolutely! and let's not forget about Samuel Paty, no one talks about these people, curiously...
If you're not a muslim woman you won't understand. I would feel oppressed and awful if I had to wear revealing clothes. I prefer to cover up and plan to wear hijab once I get married. I do not want even a male doctor to see my bodyy, unless absolutely necessary and even so, I would not feel it was appropriate. I know that this is a very foreign concept in the west and I try to respect that there is a religious or cultural barrier there.
I also understand that many of my Muslim sisters DO feel oppressed when forced to wear hijab and that is also horrible. No one should be forced to wear or not wear something - and this situation, where Muslim women are forced to wear hijab, is definitely the result of many years of misogyny and oppression towards women. Hopefully we can agree to disagree, but also agree that no one should have to wear anything that they don't want to.
@Jarred Knox and you have been programmed to believe nudity is beauty and freedom .
If it's your choice to where a hijab it's okay, I am Jewish and I know in Muslim countries they're being oppressed but if you choose to wear a hijab it's okay. Feminists are the ones always saying "My body my choice"
@Jarred Knox honey and Wes you walk outside naked in front of everybody every single day then you also feel ashamed for being naked. I am an american-born woman he was a former Lutheran. And I can tell you straight up I don't like showing all of my assets either. On top of which I don't know one man who wants a woman that shows everything period not only is it completely uncomfortable with people stare at you too hard
@@aminaali7305 well I believe everyone believe nudity is beautiful and free it's just that some people want to show more people and other people only want to show their husband both are ok
@@morningstarentertainment6846 yes I agree , I've really changed my mind 8 months after my comment
It is sooo very important to have someone within their respective communities speak out. Others outside, especially white males, are cancelled immediately. I am a recent subscriber and find myself late to the table with regards to your videos, so you may not notice this, but thank you and I appreciate your sacrifices and your words!
If women are forced or coerced into wear something, then it is not a feminist symbol.
Wearing a hijab is choice for Muslim women it shouldn't be forced
Modest dressing is completely open to interpretation. It could go from covering genitals to veiling all up.
used to be a Jehovahs witness years ago and the way they treat women is an eyeopener I tell ya
You're absolutely right Arielle, brave move to make this video!
Thanks Larry the cable guy.
It's more brave for a hijabi to keep wearing it no matter what anti-islam propoganda islamophobes promote. Could you be strong enough to do what you believe in if the world was being taught against it?
I'm scrolling down and I'm seeing a lot of ex-muslim people commenting, and here I sit, a revert to Islam wearing my hijab by choice, wondering why it is people are so adamant to believe that it is a tool of oppression for Westernized society, up to discussion.
Because of America's history with evangelism with the scritct "modesty rules" that were always upheld usually by males and their religion telling women how they need to dress
Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a REAL feminist icon, still has a fatwa against her because she chose to speak publicly about radical Islam. She has been championing a reformation, especially for the treatment of Muslim women, for years.
Why havn't more people seen this video!?? SO important! Thank you all for being brave. My heart goes out to these woman
Great video, thank you for your continued dedication to this topic. I know that things have gotten harder for you in recent months, we the fans appreciate your work, stay safe.
Ask the 16 year old that was sentenced to 40 lashes for wearing a miniskirt.
That is wrong and unislamic. Whoever did that should be punished .
I've never understood the muslim girls who wear hijab and talk about being modest not wanting to be sexualized etc. but at the same time wear tons of make up, high heels etc. Might just be me, but make up and high heels are way more sexualizing than hair.
True
So hard to find logical content like this online anymore. The spam from pro-muslim RUclips channels is wild and frightening.
Atheist and proud! ⚛️
Thanks so much for this video! As a gay man the "get out of jail free card" given to Muslims drives me crazy.
I do have islamic friends and these people are cool with me being lesbian, but when a muslim stranger just randomly asks me if I'm lesbian, because he saw me with a woman, then I still feel threatened. It always depends on the way the individual person interacts with me and whether I know them.
Idk, I encourage Muslim feminists because Islam NEEDS feminists, for obvious reasons.