This ISN’T A Trans Woman : Autogynephilia Deep-Dive
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- Being transgender derives from gender dysphoria, not a sexual fetish.
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I have mixed feelings about this content. Jonna is a man. You say you value honesty, yet you lie about that basic fact. Would you sleep with him? I'm betting no.
You stand to lose more than you gain, when validate them.
I don’t love the idea that (according to you) a man making an “effort” - to present as a woman - is well within his right, to call himself as lesbian. He’s a MAN, he can NEVER be a woman/lesbian.
There comes a point, when you must decide whether you want to entertain delu$ion - for the sake of being kind - at the risk of losing everything... or stand on the side of reality and preserve our identity/spaces.
its great your getting this info out there but that was a confused explaination - Blanchard says autogynophiles can become gender disphoric
Both of the dudes in the thumbnail are Males. Arielle, you are the only Female in this video. Joana talks and acts like an 'effeminate gay Male'.
The trans man hit it on the head for me. As a kid I remember seeing trans women and not feeling afraid. She was just trying to use the restroom. She was trying to blend in and not stand out. Now it seems like men wanting to be in women spaces and giving straight up creepy vibes.
Trans man is ftm. Was born female transition to male
Everything...EVERYTHING eventually becomes corrupted by bad actors. There was a time when kids could play outside unsupervised. A time when houses didn't need locks. A time when medicines didn't need tampering seals. But the lax attitude was welcoming to those wanting to do harm. But that doesn't make those situations innately wrong.
@Milk Dud if you are implying that the majority of trans women are attracted to men, i.e., homosexual transsexuals, you are dead wrong. In 2010, Blanchard estimated that it was about a 75/25 split, with the 25 being HSTS. Now, it’s even less.
@@katieandnick4113 Look. Ladies are dope. Be one, be with one, grow old with one. Hell, grow old with a whole village worth of them.
@Milk Dud to each their own.
It’s just odd to me that people are this obsessed with their sexual identity . Am I alone?
Obsessed with themselves as something else. It's narcissism.
You are not alone
God knows. I came out at 14 in 2004, I’ve never been this obsessed with my sexuality. It’s only part of who I am, something that is a small part in my personality, which is made of lots of different parts. That’s how I’ve always been, and I genuinely can’t understand being this self obsessed where it’s your entire personality.
Nope. Not alone.
@@ZombieSazza thank you for your input, I support everyone in doing what is right for them I just feel like it isn’t good to make your sexuality your identity, seems unhealthy unproductive and a waste of time . They should Read a book about something other than your sexuality , learn an instrument , build something , write something , just stop giving your sexuality 100% ownership of your self. Anyway good on you for bot making it define you !
I love Dave Chapelle's line: "To what degree do I have to participate in your identity?"
Love that man
He's a modern day god speaking up the way he does. I'd kiss his ass on the courthouse steps. I'd even give him 15 minutes to gather a crowd to witness it. Yep.
@Lana Anynamewilldo invite me, please
@@IDontKnow-pf6en Sure thing!
Or Katt Williams:
"When somebody says 'youre messing up my self-esteem..' -- BITCH, it's called SELF-esteem and I don't have anything to do with it."
Love how women are being told by males to comply in their fetish and we're being abused if we don't
Let's not forget to add children, to that equation.
By that logic we shouldn't take anything the male psychologist says about autogynophilia seriously.
💯👌 this can only happen in a misogynist society
@Milk Dud I mean you can love your dog too, doesn't mean you see it as your equal or think it should have equal rights
@@alaes3570 the fact that you compared women to dogs is your own misogynistic tendencies coming out without you realizing
Thank you for introducing us to Jonna. My uncle is a trans man, completely transitioned. He told me he was born in the wrong body and is now living his real self. I grew up knowing this was normal and ok. I've never questioned the validity of his existence and I love him for who he is. Yet, I'm called a Terf for feeling uncomfortable about things being said by some trans women activists. It's a minefield out there, thank you for being brave and being you
Recently been caused of invalidating trans and nonbinary people and their experiences. What really gets my goat is that I personally see them as people first and foremost, their sexuality and gender identity are perhaps the last thing that are on my mind, as that is not why I am around them in the first place. I just find the whole community thing to be more cult like than for actual support for people in general struggling with gender and sexuality issues. I understand much of what they go through and those I've talked to and interacted with have one thing in common in that many grew up in a narcissistic or cult like environment and seriously hate being taken advantage of by those who have something to gain from it. So have set up boundaries for the sole reason of growing up not having them and when those go up they get a lot of hate but sometimes if taken to the extreme end up on the other extreme where their boundaries are too high where they pretty much shut out anyone and everyone who so much as toes the line, creating an air of resentment towards not just that individual but to an entire community even. And that's what we're seeing more and more of today.
Right , most of gen z grew up on it and it didn’t affect us, we understood them. But now they are trying to replace us , so crazy
Let them call you whatever they want. It does not matter.
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Seriously, I never thought I'd live long enough to see a world where the South Park universe makes more sense than reality.
Yea
No kidding.
I guess it's safe to say that South Park is definitely predictive programming. It's hilarious though.
@@lunamoth7044 My most favorite episode is when they went to music camp and discovered a tone that makes people shit in their pants and it went world wide.
PERIOD. Seriously leftists have gone to far jeeze
We used to call this 'crossdressing'. It's a fetish. I'm sure it can be confusing, especially in this climate.
It's like the colleges became so full in the 2000s that people started just making ish up to fill thesis pages. And then with academic legitimacy people thoight these theories were real and "capitalists" used these ideas to sell airtime and armchair psychologists picked up these terms and took them as gospel. I mean on one hand it makes sense because you can only write about so many topics before there's nothing new to say, but now it's gotten a bit ouroborosic.
Crossdressing is not necessarily a fetish. It can be, but the term encompasses a lot more people than the ones who do it for a fetish. Crossdressing is just dressing up as the opposite sex - not really going deeper into the reason why they dress as such.
I agree cross dressing is not always a fetish. Some men just like to wear women's clothing. It depends on how far they go, like if they do the hormones and surgery then their masquerading as a woman and it becomes a fetish.
False cd is only a wardrobe not body wise
An actual crossdresser are "straight men" that like wearing women's clothes. Nothing to do with fetish.
On Reddit, I've seen quite some questionable posts on trans subreddits of AGPs "realizing" they're "trans" because of lesbian porn or the thought of sleeping with lesbians (not women- specially lesbians). But any comments calling them out/fetishists got deleted almost immediately.
Such stuff is just upsetting :(
They resent lesbians for not wanting them. It's rapey to want to trick a lesbian into sex.
We all know Reddit is a China communist-owned echo chamber dwelled by a bunch of Lefties that are out of touch with the real world. Anything they don't like just gets banned. There is no free discussion or exchange of ideas.
That's because most of them on there did the same
It really is a shame, because, as I've gone through my gender transition, I have come to realize that AGP's are not "fake trans," they are just dealing with different issues. If they ghettoize all conversation about AGP, they will push people who have a perfectly valid erotic fetish, into making irreversible, painful, and destructive life choices. I can't get over the number of trans women I know who destroyed their families over transition. It's one thing if the male role is a source of constant pain, but if your femininity can be put away in the drawer with your sex toys, then don't push a person like that to transition. Reddit makes people feel like that's not valid, only totally lifestyle reversal is acceptable, and that's not fair.
@Camille sex work is probaby #1.
Mad respect for the man talking about dealing with AGP. I can’t imagine talking about something so personal for thousands of people to see.
LOL! That guy is so into himself. I doubt it was hard to talk about being super in love with himself.
@@MiddlePath33 auto sexual transvestite
Dude for real. If that were me, the only person I’d tell would be a therapist.
@@MiddlePath33 as a man who suffered from AGP. Not life long. Just a big episode during my twenties, fueled by drugs, porn and toxic relationship with a woman. This shit eats you alive. Basically demonic possession. So yeah this guy is ultra brave.
Brave to tell the world knowing everyone is going to take the piss, trans women are going to bully him, bio women are going to mock him, his friends are going to be embarrassed by him. It's something most people wouldn't talk about or explain so hats off to him.
This is exactly why I refuse to use pronouns for those who are clearly not trans. I refuse to be forced or coerced into playing into someone's sexual fetishes and fantasies. I'm sure plenty of them get off on forcing others to play into it using guilt and shame. The thought of it really creeps me out...
That’s what is exactly is happening 👏👏👏
As a transsexual who fully passes and is medically transitioned and attracted to men I agree. All these fetishy trans “lesbians” who dress like 14 year old girls creep me out and have completely erased any distinction between the types of people who can be labeled as “trans”. Use nuance. Most of us, especially the ones who like men, are harmless.
Well said
Right! Someone using people in public for their sexual fetish is a form of sexual assault.
I am so glad to have a word for this because I knew it was a fetish, it is NOT gender dysphoria. But I didn’t have a word for it.
Look up the subcategories of autogynephilia. It becomes SO clear once you read them.
Honestly it's more than a fetish, it is an orientation unto itself. It hits the parts of the brain responsible for love and affection, so the man begins to genuinely love and care for the female side of him. This often supersedes his own heterosexual impulses towards his wife, girlfriend, etc, leading to trans widows.
It’s a type of paraphelia
People can and do have gender dysphoria as a result of their AGP. We just aren’t allowed to talk about it
you "knew" it but where is the proof?
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Bring back the term transsexual. It’s good, clear and descriptive. Transsexuals who use it are generally rational people and should not be grouped in with the gender woo woos
thank u!
Oh yes, that would be really nice! Thanx!
Rational?
@@meandepiphany aware that their “transition” is body mods and not because the magical gender spirit that everyone has to obey is calling them
People dont use that term anymore? I hear people using "trans" all the time
I found out my ex is “trans.” He was abusive and stalked me. I’m afraid he’s doing this to hurt other women.
Autogynephiles have a high propensity for narcissism and can be incredibly abusive. I’m sorry you went through that. There are online support groups for trans widows.
And this is why female spaces need to stay female only .. I hope you’re ok & have support xz
@Milk Dud Your naivete speaks volumes
@Milk Dud My point exactly.
@@katieandnick4113 no they dont
I'm an agp male and I feel like I've been tricked by trans-activists and my own friend group into believing that I'm a woman. I have gone into lesbian dating apps and set up a profile but I realize now how creepy it was to do so. I am now in a relationship with another agp male. I believe that womans rights need to be protected and It's really disturbing how many of those in my social group misunderstand transexuality. Many of my aquaintances are agp males and while none of them are not actively trying to date biological women, they still show all the tell-tale signs of being agp, but my cis friend group cannot identify that, nor will they be able to change their minds because of their ideology (radical leftist) I think that if there were more people who could present these ideas in a positive way to many people on the left, we could all reaize that it's okay to have a kinky life-style without it hurting biological women, and make sure those who are agp understand the boundries and accept that biological women have the right to deny them on that basis, Most of the agp males I know take concent very serioiusly, it's those who are on twitter I've seen who take things to the extreme. If I ever seen another agp male engage in disturbing behavior or hold creepy views on lesbians I will always reach out to them to explain why it is perfectly reasonable for biological women to not want anything to do with them.
Arielle seems to be quite confused about autogynephilia. She seems to think that, if you pass well enough, that means you’re not AGP, when in fact, as far as AGPs go, the more they do to alter their appearance and the way they live their lives(medically transitioning and leaving their family, for example), the MORE autogynephilic they are than someone like the guy in this video, or you. I don’t know anything about the person sitting next to Arielle, but I would not be surprised at all if they are an autogynephile, and maybe they don’t even realize it. As far as trans women go, the split is about 80/20, AGP/HSTS. With all of the pornography very young boys are exposed to nowadays, combined with the cultural acceptance of trans, AGPs are transitioning younger and younger, so they are able to pass far better than AGPs of the past, who usually didn’t transition until they were in their late 40’s at least. By doing this video, Arielle certainly isn’t helping women; she’s pushing a false narrative that if you transition, that means you’re not an autogynephile. It’s ridiculous.
@@katieandnick4113 What a horrible way to view trans women
@@katieandnick4113 In my opinion she isn't entirely wrong to believe actual trans women are more likely to transition than someone who is agp. I dated someone who identified as mtf trans (mostly friend group indused belief) i asked him if he thought about transition and he wouldn't even research it but insisted he was a trans woman. Later he stopped identifying as trans but still likes the idea of being a woman dating a woman i do believe it was a kink of his more than anything. So my point is in this instance the willingness to transition was the tell sign.
I think Blanchard is trash, but he has a very important quote at 2:11: "Autogynephilia and transsexualism are NOT mutually exclusive."
Saying someone is AGP in no way implies that they are not trans.
If you have AGP, and experience gender dysphoria and feel like you'd have a happier life if you were a woman, you're trans.
Too many trans women use AGP as a way to cop out of starting their transition. (Only to regret it later)
@@jdoe834 Ann Lawrence is for trying to identify males with severe AGP who would benefit from transition (not sure how that would be figured out).... and assisting them to delay/minimize masculinization the same as severely gender dysphoric HSTS males. Either should be recognized for SRS being greatly beneficial for their quality of life. But.... that would take some serious self knowledge and acceptance and transparency. I think as she looked back on her life, after she transitioned, she felt it would have made her life infinitely better. And... the AGP isn't a factor anymore after medical transition.
Autogynophiles are the literal description of the origin of narcissism. The story of the man who could not stop looking in the stream at the image of himself. Found himself most attractive, etc.
I didn’t ask to be autogynephelic and I certainly don’t want to transition, I’m just trying to live a normal life. Just consider yourself lucky that you weren’t born with it and try to be more understanding.
I would give literally anything to be normal
Yes.. and he wastes away…
Yes!!!! This is true it is a form of narcissism…
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Spoiler Alert: this is reminding me of the episode of Black mirror where the two friends would play a hyper realistic VR fighting game but end up having sex in the game. They were both men, but one would be a women in the game. He was a straight man outside of the game but enjoyed having sex as a women in the game.
Bro why is that the only black mirror episode I watched cuz it was too weird
Not gonna lie that episode was weird but it was also intriguing. I wonder who all would have sex as the opposite sex just to find out what it was like? Who would be curious?
I see this a lot in roleplaying games and online stuff. I'll know someone that identifies as their born gender. They don't in any way act like the opposite sex. They'll get obsessed with a game where their avatar is the opposite gender, focus a lot on lesbian or gay sex in the game. After years of it, their main focus on the game is lesbian/gay sex instead of what the actual game is for... and they'll start saying they are transgender but still act, look, dress irl etc like their born gender. And it seems a lot more like a fantasy for rping gay sex. But also you can't say anything or point this out or people will get mad.
love that! if only these AGP dudes could keep it to virtual worlds, maybe we wouldn't have these issues.
@Haydee Gloss I think what you do in the privacy of your home or with friends who are comfortable with it is your business. The only real issue with AGP folks is when they go out in public and are forcing others to participate in their fetish.
A man wearing feminine clothing is public completely fine, clothing is just clothing, but it's when it becomes "woman" roleplay that others become a part of their fantasy whether they like it or not. That's my take, anyway.
yep I've literally given up on lesbian dating apps cause every other profile is either a man a crossdresser or a man playing dress up as trans woman, it's disgusting they're viewing my profile I feel so preyed on and looked on in my own space I'm sick of it
@Milk Dud so then why don’t you date one?
They also view u in public so what's the difference. What makes u think that. What if a woman don't want to be watched by a lesbian girl like u
@@edgarsanchez1869 it's easily more accessible to slide into DMs than it is to walk up to someone and talk. Also those apps are purposefully exclusive because of it
@@Taylor_mamaof2 they are not a lesbian
Block them ignore them move on
Be happy.
As someone who suffers from gender dysphoria and went through all rigamarole of transitioning people who just identify as trans without putting in any effort whatsoever is such an insult.
It's also insulting for male people to call themselves women. That is such an insult...
Effort doesn’t matter. We will always see transwomen as men no matter what.
@@empressapache7413 yeah,we don t care about transphobes like you
@@alex.profi27 Yea, we don't care about AGP Males like you.
@Milk Dud U can’t tell real women how we view transwomen. Lol Male privilege at its finest. Failing as a male doesn’t magically make u a woman.
The young man discussing autogynephilia was incredibly brave. I'm so glad Arielle stated that and respected his viewpoint. It cannot be easy to be that honest with the world knowing how much sh*t is going to be coming your way.
Fair play to that young man. I have so much respect for his honesty and skilled self-reflection.
Caitlyn Jenner on the cover of Vanity Fair magazine posing in lingerie is literally a visual description of that paraphilia.
When asked what the hardest thing about being a woman is, Caitlyn Jenner answered "deciding what to wear". Womanhood is not fashion and it illustrates perfectly that they will only ever have a superficial understanding of the female experience.
@@jessam4875 I agree. Also, the fact that she did not identify as a homosexual prior to transition is also indicative of AGP. She was heterosexual as a man and continues to be attracted to women.
Caitlyn is 6”5”. Deciding what to wear is probably the most difficult thing. He is already a self made millionaire and Olympic gold medalist.
@@myrtle1234 yep. Caitlyn is a lesbian transwoman, very into *other* women. not autogynephilic as far as I know.
@@bostenlemaire6895 Males are not lesbians.
I’m glad this is becoming more mainstream. The TERFs were talking about autogynephilia but we got gaslit and demonized.
Yeah because you were purposefully mixing transwoman with them
We sure did! I've been told that autogynephilia has been "debunked" yet they're quite happy to play along with Judith Butler's queer theory as gospel.
@Anni Runaway It is your fault.
There are plenty of better reasons to hate Radical Feminists, so I'm not surprised you guys didn't have people outside your ideology coming to your rescue.
@@ANPC-pi9vu There are lots of terfs who aren’t radfems.
Great work Arielle! This young man is a perfect example of why it is madness to rush young people into surgical alterations, hormone therapy, and puberty blockers. He needs a lot more talk therapy and careful exploration of his life and seems to be doing well with taking it slowly.
Nobody should be rushed into medical decisions. But the real issue here is informed consent. The WPATH standards of care make many recommendations regarding verification of gender dysphoria and minimum ages for hormones and surgery. But there is nobody enforcing the standards of care. You can walk into Planned Parenthood, tell them you're transgender, answer a simple questionnaire to demonstrate that you understand what hormones will do to your body, and get HRT. Even if you have major red flags that any competent psychological professional would want to address before considering endorsement for HRT.
I concur
My ex husband liked to dress as a woman, but only ever in private. He's now transitioning, has changed his name and identifies as a woman. He was always only attracted to women. What the man in the video says is exactly what I think my ex was experiencing, looking back on it. We were married 16 years and had 2 kids.
As a trans woman thanks so damn much for pointing this out, and explaining that for people. Lot of people are confused about it; it's making a lot of problems.
Gatekeeping is key
Do they ever stop and think what their sexual identity has to do with them getting actually important things like a job, career, house.
No. They aren’t busy.. they are busybody’s doing nothing.. god help us in 40 years.
First world country problems, LMAO
They don't.
Do you ever stop to wonder if they already have well enough paying jobs to afford the luxary of self reflection?
@@tempesttossed6029 Since so many of them are in college on parents' dime, I highly doubt that.
I appreciate the guy's honesty and self-reflection. Honestly as long as he doesn't hurt anyone I feel bad for him more than anything. Being weird isn't easy.
Kudos to him for his honesty. This has to have been super confusing to work through. And hopefully it may help other lads feeling the same way.
I think the main problem is the gender ideology pushed by activists lately. That is what is causing confusion and people thinking they need to make their outside match their inside. In a sane society, he'd just look for a GF who has a fetish for feminization and cross dressing... they exist. Then they can have fun together. He's a good looking guy. Also, why do people think one must be gay to do crossdressing and drag these days? He could have a lot of fun in drag, or going to conventions in cosplay. He just needs to find where it's ok to express this side of himself so that he can connect with others who are into it.
MG, I'm a JoJo's Bizarre Adventure fan, and you should see all the fanart of the more bara characters in women's lingerie and sexy feminine costumes and high heels and dresses and such... a lot of it drawn by women. He can be the dream guy for the galls who are into that.
@@ANPC-pi9vu all good points. And that's why he needs to reflect and know all of his options before making any permanent decision.
He’s better off than the ones who take hormones and get surgery. Hopefully, he can keep it somewhat under control.
@@katieandnick4113 Couldn’t agree more, I’m 18 with agp and his video is the only thing giving me any hope of a normal life. I didn’t ask to be like this. I certainly don’t want to transition, I’m just trying my best to live a normal life.
I’m glad I’m old. This is too much for my brain at this point.
I'm almost 30 and I'm with you.
Can you imagine the future?????
@@alainaruble163 its gonna be cool as fucc
ditto
Omg I thought I was the only one that knew this was a thing. My ex husband is this way. He would get aroused by dressing like a woman, followed by really bizarre behavior. He has gone on to marry a woman and convinced her and my daughter, that he feels that he should have been born a woman. - which is a complete lie. He's saying this because of all of this support of trans everything. You know? Like now he won't be judged or made fun of because it's the cool new trend to be trans. He has destroyed the mental health of our kids.
I have no idea what is going on in the young English guys mind, but he came across as dignified in the face of considerable adversity. Hope you work it out mate.
Couldn’t agree more. I’m 18 with agp and his video is the only thing giving me any hope of a normal life. I didn’t ask to be like this. I certainly don’t want to transition, I’m just trying my best to live a normal life.
@@GregSeath There aren't any normal lives mate, we're all fucking weird. Welcome to the human race. You have a kink that some people may not share or understand. Others will love you for it. And, you will be loved mate, have faith and be brave x
This guy is beyond brave.
He is explaining how he feels and where he gets his sexual attraction from.
This is what is needed right now when single-sex spaces, services, sports and employment exemptions are under review by politicians and policy makers.
You have my respect Sir or whoever you identify
Big agree!
Beyond brave? Please some being so dramatic. Beyond brave is jumping in front of a bus to save someone or running into a burning building, or being in war.
I completely agree. Also he called himself a hetrosexual male (although he's not 100% sure.)
I think it needs to be aknowledged that there are a lot of straight men who have autogynephilia, that it isn't an LGBT thing & they aren't trans women.
@@NotAnotherKuromi Time to add an A, I suppose?
If I knew I will never have sex again in my life if I transitioned that would be fine. It literally has nothing to do with sex or sexual feelings. It is just about existing alone with myself in peace.
Same here. Though sex is nice too. But trading all the sex I’ll ever have in my life for the ability to be myself is worth it
I'm a Transwoman and I never knew about this condition, thank you for presenting this info in a good educational manner!
Look up the murderer Russell Williams. He had it. He would steal women’s underwear and take photos of himself wearing it.
I always thought this is what it is. It was very apparent. Often this autogynophilia is paired with exhibitionism.
'Often this autogynophilia is paired with exhibitionism'. Any academic proof beyond your own subjectivity?
@@Verticaldiscourse I believe they are right. I am certain my husband has this and he gets off on being seen in public looking girly.
@@Verticaldiscourseevery video with "transwoman" j*rking off in public, twitter and p*rnsites are full of them
Finally! I sell exquisite vintage lingerie. This explains many of my male customers. Many are straight but get off on seeing themselves as a woman.
Then they’re not “straight”.
@@Woodman-Spare-that-tree why are they not straight? I believe my husband has this and am trying to get my head around it?
"gender dysphoria autogynephilic" shouted Harry, and Voldemort dropped dead on the spot. Harry had discovered the 4th unforgivable spell.
😂😂😂
Oh my word 🤣🤣🤣🤣
wouldnt voldemort turned into dressing as a woman
The vast majority of “trans” women are straight dudes, and definitely AGP
Or not even AGP as much as true misogynists that this is their way of getting off and hurting women. They get off on hurting women.
I'm trying to bring back the term "transsexual." AGP's and NB's don't want to be called transsexuals, but I don't mind it at all, it seems to fit me. They would rather use "Transgender" which, for all practical purposes, means nothing at all. If you make a mistake with the clippers, you're transgender now.
@@sarsarsvintagejewelry God, I wish I could refute your statement. The trans women I've known all my life were never like this, but now, I see this rage, this anger in the trans community that didn't exist ten years ago. It's just so... masculine. But my own trans sisters won't call out this nonsense, and it's destroying our social status. Who would trust any of us now?
@@silentstarlight3322 You are based as hell, Kate P. Please don't take this post as trying to start a fight, I just wanted to comment on one aspect of your post. I don't disagree with you at all, you have obviously been doing research and introspection, which, to me, is a sign that you have been looking for answers, not seeking excuses to make your own 'choices.' I think that is one of the truths of an HSTS, we seek to know what is going on inside us, because we have the dilemma of knowing it's not normal, while knowing it's not going away.
I hesitate to call AGP's "fake" or "not real," though, because their situation is real, and shaming them with negative language is part of the reason they are causing so many problems. We feel like being HSTS is unavoidable nature, while AGP is an act of will. I'm not convinced they have a choice.
No one minds the furries because generally they limit their fetishistic expression to places where appropriate, while AGP's feel they must inhabit a woman's social space in the real world to be 'legitimate.' I personally would rather the gamestop tranny got all dolled up at home and jerked it, than going into a store and guy-raging on store employees. Social pressure to be female/trans instead of being comfortable with your fetishes is not good for anyone.
I really think we should try to normalize AGP as what it is, a legit fetish. Personally, I have gone back to describing my self as transsexual, not transgender, because there is a valuable specificity there. I'd use "HSTS," but no one has a clue what that means. In fact, my whole point here is probably too esoteric for the majority of people, but I hope we can find some way to solve this problem of lumping so many different types of people together. It's hurting us all so badly.
Love you, love yourself!
@@silentstarlight3322 She’s close though. Thanks for your account
I'd say that this guy should be proud of how insightful he is about himself. Few people have given their fetishes, kinks, turn-ons or whatever this much thought! I can see that going public with it like this is a massive step and that it took some serious courage so good going for him!
Also, that dude, that dark hair with the curls.. omg.. *drool*
You’re not his type. You’re not him 😂
too bad he is only into himself hihi
I agree.im pretty sure that's quite unusual.
Agreed. Hopefully he can handle the oncomibg backlash well and not hurt too much from it all. He should be happy with his introspection.
It's not courage it's narcissism.
In my experience there’s a mother issue with every autogynophiliac. Their inner Masculine is misaligned. They’re heterosexual in the main, like that man, but they struggle accepting their masculinity. Definitely completely different to being trans.
I personally grew up with someone like this. Their greatest sexual satisfaction came from online role-playing where they would pretend to be someone transformed into a girl and then have cybersex with the other "character. It grew more and more prominent over time until what seemed like full blown dysphoria developed in them.
We don't talk to each other anymore, but I grew up with them and witnessed it all first hand for over two decades.
woah
With old rp in the writers world, we had a lot of people coming into the RP community not even caring about their character/writing but more so getting straight to the smut. Which I understand but yeah, a lot of the time we are female being make characters and vis versa. It can get very immersive and addicting. But a lot of the time you do form relationships with these other writers and RP’ers. And I can imagine it being a problem in someone’s life. It can easily take over and become dysphoria.
I can definitely say around this time it really triggered a part of me that made me think wow, “would I be happier if I was a male satisfying a female?” But here it’s somewhat different.
I think in this philia it’s sexual arousal at the thought of you being the opposite like your genitalia. Not necessarily being the opposite and getting fucked and fucked with**** very different.
This philia is more of the idea of being sexually aroused at the idea of yourself being THAT body type you know? It’s different when you’re roleplaying and enjoying the idea of being a girl when you’re not, and a guy when you’re not or a dog when you’re not or ….you know?? Hope that explains it better
Great to get some real information without screaming hysteria. That chap needs a shoutout for being so brave as to bring this stuff to the rest of us, and help us understand. Thanks to you and thanks to him.
AGPs often seem to outright HATE women.
The ones who transition do.
I'm a fetish model and phone sex operator and a very large portion of my clients fit this description. I think people are doing a disservice to them by insisting that they are actually trans when I don't think that is the issue they face. Not to say that they don't experience gender dysphoria, because I believe they do, but not in the same way an actual trans person would. I don't think transitioning, or identifying as women, is really what they need to satisfy their needs and desires. I wish that transgenderism wasn't such a contentious topic these days, because otherwise honest and unbiased research could be done to figure out the best way to help these guys satisfy these needs, but it seems that transitioning is the band-aid for every case of gender dysphoria these days. In reality it is only further perpetuating the issue instead of actually addressing it. These guys need a sex worker or an understanding partner far more than they need hormones.
I dont think transition works for anyone.in the long run and if it does it helps such a god damn small portion of people that it shouldnt be handed out like candy the way it is.(hormones) most transwomen" are autogynophiles.
Now that makes sense to me. (I probably wouldn’t have posted my long question if I’d seen this comment first! Lol) Thanks!
Omg thank you for this. My ex had this but I could never put it into words.. he would wear my clothes and would get turned on by it. He would talk about that if he was a girl he would be the biggest “w.h.o.r.e.” Just wasn’t my cup of tea. I would tell him to seek help and he never did. It eventually developed into gender dysphoria and he now dresses like a girl in short skirts and rides pink bicycles in our old home town. I no longer have contact with him not only because of that but because he was also abusing substances.
I think once it devolves into degradation that's where I draw the line. People have no dignity anymore.
this is what we used to call in the eighties a transvestite. I had a boyfriend like this .He liked women .It is so very enlightening to hear this young man explain it .I can understand finally my boyfriend of so many years ago as he never could put into words what I needed to understand about him .
I see this new focus, even obsession on one’s gender identity as a derivative, a slide of our society’s individualism and growing narcissism. We are pushed into a self-absorbed existence, constantly consuming products as ways of feeling better about ourselves, displaying our lives on social media to reflect an image of ourselves, we are preached self-love but denied love “if you can’t love yourself“. Where are we going?
I’m on the highwaaaaay to Hell
Narcissism is the key word.....all they think about is themselves!!!!
Agreed. I think this whole self love, obsession with identity and social media is literally making many of us into depressed people who develop narcissistic tendencies. We are the most privileged and yet most depressed people in the USA. Mental illness abounds. Simply we have too much time on our hands to obsess on the superficial.
I don’t believe the answer is to love yourself more, maybe the answer is to stop obsessing about ourselves, and instead focus on what we can do outside of us. Like giving back to the world with our abilities, helping the less fortunate and investing quality time in our own household members.
I’m also a believer (Christian) and Jesus tells me in the Bible to “deny myself” and that means to me a common sense approach to not being self obsessed. We can’t look to the cause of our issues as the solution, it makes no sense.
100%
Yeah. Narcissism for sure.
If someone tells me they have to fantasize in a specific way about them self to even get turned on... Well...narcissistic.
If this was natural for everyone and I mean EVERYONE.. they wouldn’t have to keep deep diving into it all, learning all they can, and creating new words to describe their kinks.
Listen, if your trans for real WHICH IS TRULY rare.. you are who you are.. you don’t need “research” to figure out how to be.
Yes!!! My husband thought he was gay/bi because he is turned on by male private areas, however he is not turned on romantically, emotionally or secksually by the male body and men in general, in fact men turn him off as much as any other hetero guy. After exploring this phenomenon, he understood it was simply a kink. He hasn’t found a name for it though
I'm a transwoman and I agree with you
@@joeblogs5858 ur husband is probably gay 💀
@@XxAshaWxX 🤣
If you don't have the words to describe how you feel then you SHOULD be looking up terms and self reflecting to describe what you can as succinctly as possible.
Great video Arielle and guests! I hope the young man speaking about his AGP understands he is not bad or a freak. He sounds like a very smart, _very self aware_ young guy and I hope for health, happiness, and a decrease in any suffering he may have.
There are interviews with wives of these AGPs. Rod Fleming has excellent empathic insight into both types of trans women. The entire reason so many deny AGP exists is precisely because they believe they won't be seen as trans. I believe the stats are 80% of trans women have AGP and 80% of men with AGP don't transition. So the total number with AGP is much higher than just those who transition. Benjamin Boyce has a few good interviews with some. Anne Lawrence is a trans doctor with AGP who has written extensively about it under Blanchard's guidance. The reason some TRAs are so odious is they are narcissists.
I'd wager that most men have a degree of AGP, it's totally normal. Those kinds of themes have been very common in media for a long time.
The kid w autogynephilia is so cute and I feel terribly that he suffers from this. I commend his courage in speaking so candidly about this and also it’s amazing how incredibly introspective he is and an incredible level of self-understanding.
I don’t think the person sitting next to Arielle is being honest. I get a feeling there’s some autogynephilia there. The subtle level of discomfort and defensiveness is evident.
She’s attracted to men, thus she cannot be autogynephilic
I love your videos soo soo much ! As a transsexual female myself I See how the videos and blaires actually HELP the LGBT community and not setting us back like the extreme leftist with these weird culty trans ideologies
being turned on by the image of yourself no matter if it's as your born sex or not, that's called narcissism.
Yes. So distorted… are they just so isolated ? And influenced by the culture at the same time
i get turned on by myself when i’m looking super hot. and i’m a straight woman
@@thesupreme950 still narcissism
Man, I've been an Ally since I was 17 and my best friend came out to me, but this shit is truly getting stupid, and this is coming from someone who one of my best friends is a trans woman who went through the fires of Hell to finally find her happy, yay Em! I'm pretty sure that she would agree with me too. I call it like I see it, and the way I see it is if you're a guy, saying that you're trans while doing nothing to transition, then saying you're a lesbian on dating apps, well guess what, you're a liar and you're also a predator, knowingly or not.
That little English guy, he's definitely got issues, and I feel for him, I really hope he gets some help. I wonder if he knows the legend of Narcissus, the gorgeous boy who fell in love with his own reflection? Because it really sounds like a form of sexual narcissism to me, his issues that he talks about in the video. It would be cool if you could have him on for an episode, he seems like a bright and insightful young person and I think the conversation between you too would help bring further understanding to sexual narcissism. Thanks for another thought provoking video, and take care. 😁
I can’t help but think of the Seinfeld episode where Jerry dates the female version of himself. In his situation though- it was just because he is unabashedly egotistical lol
It’s George who dates the woman who looks like Jerry
Sorry to say, we are seriously living in fucked up universe.
Wow, this makes total sense. I've been with guys who are turned on by "being the woman in bed" and it's more common than a person less sexually active would think. Also, I kinda experience the opposite (and do know guys who might experience this kink of mine too)... I get turned on when people makes me feel masculine or I get praised for (anything) "manly"... I've always thought about it as vanity, but it might be just a fetish
Naw it's normal, and it isn't really a fetish so much as a typical response.
You like being dominant... that's not so out of the ordinary! But... do you get aroused at imagining yourself as an actual man?
@@michellestamper5527no its not tipical🗿
A problem with an open, accepting culture is that some people go down a habit hole of self-indulgence and get trapped.
I never made the choice to be like this. I’d give anything to be normal.
@@GregSeath first of all you did make the choice prior to incarnating. If you feel you are in the wrong body that is because you are in a different gendered body than you were used to incarnating into as a human. This is a normal response. You are learning how to operate a different gendered body and how to move through society in that new body experience. It usually takes three incarnations before you will acclimate. You are on the path to become a Singularity which means you have integrated both genders together and can now choose from a wider variety of incarnation learning lessons. Keep moving forward.
@@cassandraelliot7878 Ok believe what you want to believe, but I don’t think that I was born into the wrong body or whatever. I’m more than happy being a male and couldn’t be paid to transition to a female.
All I know is that I for some reason, myself and others, feel aroused by the thought of inhabiting a female body and I am incapable of feeling aroused from the idea of sex.
@@GregSeath It is not a belief, it is something that I know from being aware prior to incarnating. Now that you have explained your situation, all I can write is that I sincerely wish you good luck with your lesson.
@@cassandraelliot7878 cheers bro
I can see the parallels between what we call trans women and this guy.
The more I try to follow all of this, the more confused I get. So, thank you Arielle....but, I'm CLEARLY too old for this. I'll show myself out.
Buffalo Bill from Silence of the lambs came to mind when they said "inhabit a woman's body"
Arielle, I would love for you to interview cis-women who have pcos/hirsutism/ excessive body and facial hair (and decide to no longer shave it). The struggle is real...
I know two women who are hirsute and rock their beards/mustaches well.
Serious question, because I know of this condition, but I'm not well versed on it. Can women with this condition get something like laser hair removal or electrolysis, or is it not effective in permanently removing the hair? I'm honestly just curious.
@@mmontes15 Another thing to add on to Lalogue's comment is that hormones can trigger new hair growth anyway (idk if it's creating new folicles or revitalizing the old ones though? i'm guessing the former). Pregnant women often see basically a reversal of the laser hair removal because of the surge in hormones. As well as certain colors don't see great results, for example if you have pale skin and blonde hair it's a lot less effective than pale skin with black hair.
@@mmontes15 Electrolysis is not one hundred percent effective at removing all hair permanently. It is still highly efficient, just not as much so as laser hair removal. Both kinds of treatments are painful, and require multiple visits. It can clear a large area of most hair, most of the time, which can be great for at least minimizing how much shaving, or waxing/tweezing, would need to be done if one wanted a bare face.
Yes!
I sense an uncomfortable crossover with AGPs and the transgender experience. It sounds like if a man with a beard and a crop top over his moobs merely SAID that sometimes he feels dysphoric you wouldn't be having this conversation. Your emphasis on these people not trying to present some femininity also gives an easy way for AGPs to prove to you that they are genuine, transwomen. Because how would we know otherwise?
Display enough femininity and you're no longer an AGP? This is where it starts to get blurred, and feelings start to get hurt.
@@MrAfrodisiakOo And if he disclosed private feelings of dysphoria would Arielle be taking it down and apologising profusely to this Genuine Transwoman? No mention of gender "euphoria" in this video either, and the guest seemed conveniently clueless 🤷🏿♀️
@@MrAfrodisiakOo "dragged a person unrelated"
Jesus, stop being offended for others and get a life. I highly doubt he gives a damn if his pic is in a thumbnail.
Hurt feelings hurt feelings.
Why are you people obsessed with hurt feelings?
Have you never been really hurt so that hurt feelings is some horrible thing to you?
AGP is just a fetish. The ones who do it in public and force their way into women only spaces are sexual predators. Keep it in the bedroom with consenting adults, or on forums and events for the purpose, and it's not a problem.
@@ANPC-pi9vu it’s a paraphilia, not a fetish.
This was really good. I like how you called him "brave". It's very much a thing people like to pretend doesn't exist and it was very interesting to hear his honest thoughts. I hope the best for him.
I have paraphilias that I can't explain. We still don't completely understand how they form in a lot of people. But Kudos to this young man for being willing to share his truth.
When I was younger I remember so many straight men asking me "but if you're a lesbian how come you're not aroused when you look at yourself in the mirror, bc you're attracted to women right?!" and now years later Blanchard's research on AGP's makes so much sense.
I believe 100% of all trans women are either self hating feminine gay/bi men, or AGPs, no doubt about it.
Super interesting video on a topic I had never heard of before today. Also, mad props to the guy in the video! He is super brave and explains his experience so clearly and eloquently, I wish him all the best.
What he just said about wanting to be the woman, that's why they're so resentful.
He didn’t seem resentful, being jealous of someone can eat at you so someone who can’t get off because they don’t have a vagina (or a penis) may act resentful I suppose.
There may also be some men on those sites who just want to sleep with a lesbian for whatever reason.
I suspect there are a lot of reasons why trans people could be resentful and confused biology and psychology are both extremely complex subjects and I suspect both are having different effects on the different people.
@@glenecollins if you had dated any of them or done a little reasearch you wouldn't have to "suppose".
@Milk Dud do they go on gay or trans dating sites much? I have never heard any of the gay blokes I know even mention it. They don’t seem to have the same problems getting a date as the lesbians, trans and even straight people I know so perhaps the signal to noise ratio is just a lot higher? I do remember it was a thing in high school but the girls (as far as I know) never did anything about it.
Dressing up in a suit or something to appeal to gay men also wouldn’t necessarily be as noticeable in society as a straight man wearing makeup and dresses or whatever to try to pick up lesbians. It may be noticeable online but there are some very feminine guys out there.
I never used a dating site I have been married longer than they have really been popular and I am a straight male so I have only what my friends talk about to go on from a personal level. I am friends with a fair few lesbians and they have talked about people who purported to be trans women but who pretty obviously hadn’t done much to transition being fairly aggressive online.
I used to be security for a gay and lesbian club and we did get drunk straight women either trying to sneak in (it was open to everyone who wasn’t intoxicated) or getting really offended because a gay bloke didn’t want to date her. So I know some women want to they just weren’t subtle about it.
Yeah the dating app crap happens all the time, and it puts me off using dating apps any further.
Also lovely seeing Mars here, love seeing his videos and seeing him supported by your channel!
Do people like that actually get any dates? Because I'm gorgeous in comparison. Maybe I should try it.
@@trublgrl yeah some get dates, but you’ve got to sift through hundreds of men just to find one woman, so it’s a lot of work
@@ZombieSazza Not a problem, I'm looking for a fella anyway. I'm not even picky. He can be beautiful and poor or ugly and rich, I like both kinds!
One of my classmates did his English presentation at GCSE on gender dysphoria, calling on personal experience, such as tying his hair into tight braids as a child to make it look more masculine, and it made it actually even harder to trust a friend of mine who came out as trans after another friend did. Out of the three people in my year who I know carried it on into collage, I only think two of them were actually trans and the other was trying to copycat one of them.
I think I get Auto-gynophelia. My experience of being a man (and in particular: ADHD and hypersexual) is something like -- I'm always horny, I feel intense sexual desire all of the time, and I'm constantly feared or rejected by women, and always have to prove my merit in the room. The idea that I could then *be* a woman, and not be "tagged" as this creep and pervert all of the time, has ENORMOUS appeal, because the one thing that is the source of most of my frustrations and sadness would be gone. So I can totally imagine a head-space for men, wherein a man falls in love with the idea of becoming a woman. It'd be like the infinite pass -- the pressure gone, the sexual access granted. I've met so many men in my life who have confided to me, "I wish I were sexually objectified." Women are often surprised to hear this, but I totally understand it. The opposite of being "sexually objectified" is always having to prove sexual worthiness, of having negative default sexual value, and having to go through enormous hurdles in order to be seen as worthy of sexual connection. From this angle, to be "sexually objectified" is to reach the goal, but for free. It's s short hop to auto-gynophelia, because it suggests a solution to all sexual problems: become a woman.
did you become trans? just curious
@@lovelymill NOPE. I took a self-inventory, and thought: "I love my male friends, I love computers, I love role playing games, I love motorcycles, I love movies made for men, I'm bored to tears by chick flicks, I love ideas, I love all these various things that men love, and there's nothing in me that's really a woman." And when I realized that, that was the end of it. Case closed.
We need help as a society.
in this crazy ass extremely divided world its good to watch some content like this.
Dr. Blanchard is such a cool dude. If you don't know him, look him up! He is a beast in this space.
Do you think this guy would come on your channel for an interview so you can ask him some of the questions in real time? I think it would be an interesting conversation.
Wow. Jonna is spectacular. She reminds me of Duchess from Aristocats
Hearing from Ray Blanchard himself is super helpful since he coined the term. He made some clear distinctions that haven't been made in other discussions around the topic on RUclips.
I spent my youth around the "worlds greatest generation" they would have defined these people as NUTS!
Wasn't this the plot twist from silence of the lambs
This video is the answer of ALL American “Trans” problems (children transitioning, HRT surgery without diagnosis, women’s sports, pronouns, bathroom, Jessica Yaniv, prosthetic breasts teacher, etc….). Blanchard mentioned in 1980s all in his journal decades ago, AGPs predominantly found only in North America. Phropecy
How many steps away is this from a Twincest fetish? I swear I recall a story about someone who had a similar attraction to this that later found out the they had a twin brother who died at birth that she never knew about, thus they always had a "longing" so to speak for someone just like them.
ngl, the only reason I clicked is because I saw Ladybeard and I know he said himself he's not trans so it was weird in my head.
But that's a good conversation to have. Really educational as well
I just don't understand having so little substance to your life that what sex you like is the most interesting thing about you and constitutes your entire identity.
One must know the self before trying to know others.
EDIT: Thank you for changing it!
I really loved this video especially since you had different trans individuals on who had a reasonable and helpful perspective.
Wow this guy is seriously brave, I wonder if he got backlash from the woke mob for being so open.
I am a leftist but I continue to watch Arielle because I want to know the other side of the opinion. I enjoyed this video a lot
Thanks for being nice!
Good to see you are open minded & aknowledge nuance. I see a lot of people say they haven't seen something as a rebuttal, suggetsung that because they haven't seen it it can't exist, when they are usually keeping themselves in echo chambers so they are just admitting ignirnace, yet trying to frame it as a long against the other person.
I think there are more reasonable people on both sides of then political spectrum & many more in the middle than most think. However I've noticed the left starting to become more radicalized & say being a centrist is an alt right dog whistle etc. Idk why so many insane leftists get given the microphone, listened to by mainstream media & are allowed to have so much influence in current affairs.
Same
Thanks for ruining our country !
Absolute respect for that young man to talk openly about AGP.
Brave lad, opening himself up to bullying and ridicule, I genuinely admire him for admitting this and explaining himself.
I hope he isn't mocked too much and people tell him how brave he is.
I'm a transitioning MTF......but I still tend to dress more in the middle. I don't think you need to look feminine to be MTF...but you need to make a medical effort at least. If you can live as a women in male clothes..then you have made it..
Actually I guess I'm used to men that transition always seeming to wear skirts and stuff I as a woman hate to wear. I see what you are saying.
Agree
I agree. I'm a trans woman, but wearing dresses just isn't for me.
As a tomboy, I hate wearing dresses. And I also hate wearing makeup. I’ll do it for fancy events like weddings and stuff but I much prefer just being me and wearing jeans, t-shirts, sneakers, leather jackets.
It’s comforting to see trans ppl who understand that being a woman isn’t about the rigid gender stereotypes. The activists seem as rigid about gender stereotypes as my 70+ year old mom. Makes it feel like things are regressing.
So thanks for saying something.
@@umiluv Makeup just seems way too time consuming for me, and I've watched a lot of videos thinking that maybe I could get into it but no.
I was a late bloomer regarding my breast growth and getting my period. I completely get what they say about seeing and attractive women and thinking I want her body, which is different from being sexually attracted. It happened during my teen years and I was socially awkward. I am being transparent with my experience and not judging. In other words, I will not cast the first stone because I am not perfect and I don’t claim to be.
Love all of you! :-)
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Really appreciate this British person's candour and detailed information. Respect.
I have a few fetish things and I have been lucky to experiment with some; others are just for me, alone and my imagination .....
Respect 🙏 to people that share on line, when they're doing it in a healthy way and so honest.
I give this guy HUGE props for his honesty & bravery..We all deserve to be happy so hope he finds that for himself ♥️
Brooo you’re NOT kidding about men on lesbian dating apps- it’s beyond annoying
IKR, they’re protected more than real women there lmao
Thank you so much for posting this--much needed.
I couldn’t care less about the amount of “effort” a trans-identified-male, identifying as a lesbian (a same-SEX-attracted-FEMALE), puts into “presenting as a woman.” No amount of effort will negate the fact, that men can never be lesbians. SEXuality is SEX based, not gender based; however one presents is irrelevant. At the end of the day, I’m NOT attracted to an imitation of a woman, I’m attracted to a woman.
Oh hey sis, you're a black radfem; those are rare. Black Radfems are probably rare because Black agps like myself are rare. Most black trans women are hsts. We don't have a AGP problem in our community; most transitioning agps are white. I also wanted to inform you that most trans-lesbians date other trans-women.
@@lakiyah9501 oh wow, this is something I’ve been very curious about, but cannot find any information on. It definitely seems like almost all black trans identified males are homosexual. Are you biracial? Raised middle class?
@@katieandnick4113 I’m not bi-racial; I have two black parents.
Like most descendants of American slvvery I have around 20% or less European admixture due to slave owners raping my foremothers and a few instances of my ancestors intermarrying with our WASP counterparts.
Black Americans are have 3 economic classes (excluding black immigrants)
1. Our super rich elite
2. The middle class. (The majority of us are in the middle class.)
3. Our impoverished class. Around 30% of freedmen live in poverty and make below an middle class income. (This is the class I grew up in)
I grew up in serious poverty and dysfunction. I wasn’t raised in our middle class or anything close to it 😅
So far as an adult with no debt or children, I pulled myself up from the poverty stricken class and into the “lower-middle class
Ok this is wayyyy off topic but, Arielle that color looks amazing on you. ❤
Well this is what happens when you remove all gender-based barriers this is what my generation tried to warn this generation about
this isn’t a new thing lol
It would have been tragic if this young man was pressured to transition at a young age.
It seems to me to be completely narcissistic in some cases not so much the British guy but the dating profiles screamed cluster B personality type