Can You Fight Multiple Attackers?
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2021
- Fighting groups of people is so difficult that it should largely be considered impossible, and training to beat up 4 guys at once is wishful thinking.
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I said "exponential" instead of "quadratic." My bad.
I'm sure you all get the point, though.
I agree, you can’t “fight” multiple attackers. At best, you can maybe survive. The strategy is to stick an move, blockade, and most importantly MAKE LOTS OF NOISE (probably the ONLY time the loud KIAI is practical). If you attract witnesses, maybe the attackers will abandon their attack because witnesses bring cell phones, and cell phones bring police. But I disagree that there are no strategies that can be employed to increase chances of survival. But, you are correct in that a group of determined, skilled attackers = death, dismemberment and/or a lengthy hospital stay.
Yes, and it's more intuitive everyday language for most people.
So if we're surrounded, I guess we could try fake one way and then try to smash into (shaped like a battering ram) or past the smallest person, or the one in the way of my escape, and run away? Hopefully they are not all too much bigger, and can't pursue for various reasons, such as escaping into a crowd...?
I love your channel, btw. Just discovered it yesterday. It's so clear and helpful and makes so much sense, and I learn a lot, and it's also more fun than any fighting channel I've seen. I hope your audience grows a lot -- I really think you deserve it. 🥰🤗
Quadratic is techically exponential, so you aren't wrong
@@cherryb0ng shhhh...don´t!! He´ll come up with another 10 minute video of why "exponential" is not " quadratic" !
@@cherryb0ng No it is not! Just build two graphs f1(x)=x^2 and f2(x)=2^x and you will see that the second graph grows faster than the first one. And if you build a graph of the ratio of these functions, then you get lf1(x) / f2 (x) -> 0 for x-> inf.
The techniques to fight multiple attackers is to have friends or a gun. Maybe even to have friends with guns! It was the power of friendship all along!
This time, the real victory really WAS the friends we made along the way!
A machete would also probably work quite well against two or three unarmed attackers, because the stakes are so high they are extremely unlikely to rush you at the same time.
@@collegeoffoliage6776 Yeah short of anything like that or a flamethrower, you’re not going to have a good time.
Always carry a flamethrower though. Machetes break.
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@@christianc.christian5025 flamethrowers break. At least I know how to fix a machete
This reminds me of the concept called "The Conservation of Ninjutsu ". If a movie character is approached by a lone ninja, it's going to be an extremely difficult fight . If a movie character is approached by 6 ninjas, each one is getting washed by 2 punches or less. People like to imagine fighting multiple people the way it's shown in the movies, where all of the attackers are weak and incompetent
HAHAHAHAHA thats what i been thinking to myself for a while, nice to know theres something that describes that phenomenon
Old Boy elevator scene
People think that if someone doesn't have the pride to take you on alone they must be extremely dumb and weak, this simply isn't true. Sometimes they're just smart and cold enough to know that working as a team is best.
Comic books: A Green Lantern is a force to be reckoned that whole planets fear. An army of Green Lanterns are cannon fodder for the new big threat to kill in swathes.
Someone has been watching OSP
I once worked security. I’m a pretty short guy 5’5” and sort of stocky but lean. My shift partner’s 5’8” pretty lean as well. We had to deal with an unarmed intruder one night and he was a mountain of a man. Two against one. Me and my friend can both fight. This guy looked like he could hit hard. But we beat him pretty easy. Held him down till the cops took him away. That’s only two against one. He was big, both me and my partner were small guys with basic wrestling and MMA skills so yes, we presumably had a better fight IQ than him, but my point is: who’s to say that the two or more guys you’re defending against can’t fight. Almost every self defence tutorial seem to assume the multiple attackers they’ll get can’t fight.
they assume the multiple attackers can't fight because if they can there's not much too teach since you're just fucked, of course if they can't fight you are probably still fucked but if you're way better you might have some sort of chance.
Also, knowing how to fight gives you confidence, so that isnt far fetched
Funny thing is, the point when you'll learn whether they can't fight is the point you start getting pummelled. Sure, maybe they are so incompetent that you could have gone blow for blow with them and won, but the first punch has already landed on you. You're fighting from behind.
That's why people some people say combat sports are the best form of self defence, It not only prepares you to go against a fully resisting trained opponent, you adapt to doing it regularly. the reason why arts like Krav Maga and Aikido fail is because they're usually practiced against barely resisting opponents. MMA, Boxing, jiujitsu, wrestling, Judo, Karate, even Fencing prepare you for these scenarios best. They put you into real situations where both participants are actively trying to win.
Most don’t know how to fight
I beat Ornstein and Smough first time so I’m pretty sure I’m more than capable of handling multiple bosses at once.
How did you read my mind? lol
You a savage!!!
Yeah but did you do it with a guitar hero controller?
@@lihchong2267 Rockband controller
Okay but what about the Shadows of Yharnam?
I think the phrase "It can happen, but if that's your plan, you're stupid." is quickly becoming my favourite of yours lol
True. Like, you CAN win the lottery. It's "possible" 😀
While I agree with most of what you are saying, there is some value in learning tactics that only work against multiple idiots that suck at fighting. Sometimes escaping is not an option and dying is not a comfortable option either. Even an unreliable approach is better than certain death.
Yeah what if you cannot run away.
@@sherisetodd7004 No doubt! I guess just put the leader of the group in the guard and all will be ok!😜
@@jasonrudolph491 it won't work like that. Everyone will be jumping at you. You'll be fcked.
In the same sense that buying a lottery ticket to escape poverty is preferable to doing nothing but statistically there is absolutely no difference. lol.
I’m not sure the guy making this video has been in any situations where he had to fight even one dude.
I have 40 years of martial arts training as well as military and law enforcement. I have been in several fights with multiple attackers and I can honestly say, that I have not won a single fight. Oh, I take that back, there was one. I was undercover once and attacked by 3 guys. I had my duty baton in my pocket and was able to hold them off for the minute or so it took for my cover agents to get in the door and save my ass. When I was a law enforcement DT instructor I cringed when all LE started teaching BJJ for officers. While I love BJJ and there is a place for it, how do you protect your duty weapon when you are using your hands to grapple with a guy. How do you defend against the buddies who are kicking and punching you while you are on the ground (yes that has happened to me). The best strategy to beat multiple attackers is to have a knife or a gun.
The problem with ignoring BJJ is that if you get in a fight with a good wrestler, they WILL take you down. The only way to stop those takedowns, or survive once you're on the ground, is to know how to grapple.
The way to avoid a grappling fight is to be the better grappler!
If you've got that much time in law enforcement, you definitely know the place for any kind of grappling. It's called putting the shiny things on the bad person's wrist so I can put them in the back of the no-no car.
Those people who exist in the rarified atmosphere of UC work might not have much use for it, and may whatever gods exist bless them and keep them safe. I mean that sincerely.
But for those of us who occasionally have to work wearing a silly dark blue uniform and occasionally have to force the concept of non-consensual jewelry upon people, grappling of some sort makes very good sense, though you definitely need to know what side of your body your weapon systems are on and how not to let them become community property.
Sometimes sharing isn't caring.
@@ArmchairViolence I agree, that is why I study BJJ. It is part of the arsenal.
@@Jay-ho9io I definitely agree. that's why I study BJJ. It is definitely better to know how to do it than not. I was just saying that you have to watch for other attackers AND you have to guard all the stuff you are wearing on your utility belt.
@@dereksmith6097 "have to watch for others and guard all the stuff you are wearing"
Agreed not as easy as it sounds.
Having been jumped multiple times in my younger days, the best way to fight multiple attackers is as follows: be lucky, or get good enough at parkour that they can't catch you anymore.
Jake fighting that uphill battle convincing people that "no win situations" exist and no matter how hard you prepare there are a metric shit ton of no win situations that you can be put in and no amount of training will bring you out of it.
How? How does an untrained guy put a trained guy in a corner
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@@ExperiencedPlayer2468 First, you actually put the worst example, usually someone who train martial arts would struggle at fighting and that's why they train, to be less like that (of course there are mountains or fierce guys who train but if you go to any martial art school most people can't fight there). Second, most untrained guys who on purpose provoke a fight usually win bc they have experience in the field of street fight, they are fiercer and bigger than normal people, so no, trained guys aren't war machines who can fight any kind of fighter, much less 2 or more people.
One time I was running a karate class in my then instructor's absence. For the warmup, as there were only 3 of us, myself included, we took turns having 2 of us rain down punches on the 3rd while he backs up, covers up and just tries to keep his composure. I'm a 2nd Dan, but I ended up eating a lot of punches. Knowing what you can't do is just as important, if not more so, than knowing what you can do.
very false they’re weak and dumb because why’d they need all that support for one guy if they could beat him alone? Another thing the average person is very weak so they’re done for
But that's you, not every fighter.
I did see a video of what looked like a Chinese man outside of a hotel being attacked by what looked like 10 to 20 other possibly Chinese men. He did manage to backtrack and knock down/out a few of the attackers while stringing the others along in a line for a minute or so.
And then he was promptly overwhelmed and beaten.
Hahahaha. That was a great opening with an even better close.
Reality is that winning by a margin of 90%-10% against a gang of 20 people still means that you get the shit kicked out of you by 2 people.
@@christianc.christian5025 well part of the problem was that most, if not all of the people he knocked down got back up eventually. Plus, he was on his back foot the entire time. And the whole time his stamina is draining while there's is barely falling at all.
Running from a group of attackers really is the best solution when possible.
In all honesty (and from what I remember from 3 years ago), he probably could have beaten 3 to 5 of those guys if there hadn't been 5 to 10 more behind them. The skill differential was that wide.
But then you have to ask the question. What did this asshole do in that parking lot to piss off 10 to 20 other people that were willing to chase relentlessly into his punches until they could overwhelm him and beat him up?
Those videos of those MMA 5 on 5s kinda show what happens when attempting to fight off multiple attackers. After one team loses a guy, it's almost a guarantee that team loses.
“Dude I had a sifu who beat 10 guys in a bar and and he ripped out a guys cheek.” This guy I worked with.
no you had not, lol
Link/proof or it didn't happen...
@@TheFilthyFinchi think OP’s point was to show his coworker’s stupidity, not to flex the abilities of his coworker’s sifu.
feet pics or it didnt happen
So ge took a guys "xheeks" sounds sus.
Funny... you are dressed as The Batman but are clearly The Riddler :)
For my black belt test I had to take on 5 separate opponents, at the same time. we were technically supposed to only make light contact, so I lived. If you can beat more than one opponent, you must be Icy mike.
I practiced two on one a few times, and it's HARD, even if you're a much more experienced fighter. Like, I sparred opponents I had significant experience advantages over, and it was still pretty consistent that the moment I got even a little bogged down, I was 100% hosed, even in a controlled environment. I tried striking because "avoid grappling," and a green belt crimped my thigh for me while I was distracted and they just overwhelmed me. The next time, I tried "move in aggressively for a fast throw and then pinball to the other." It was the best throw I'd ever done, the guy (another green belt) never saw it coming, and then he rudely hugged my arm and dragged me down with him while the smaller, weaker blue belt jumped in and would have beaten the bejesus out of me if he'd tried.
Two is a long shot, even if you actually are a better fighter than them. I'm not sure where anybody gets off thinking they're going to beat up three people at once unless they're fighting a daycare class.
False you can easily beat multiple opponents if you were trained but ig you aren’t
@@BrimleyAvatarI don’t get how people downplay martial arts so much, you gotta either not be skilled, fighting body builders, or just flat out delusional because a trained guy would destroy multiple untrained guys, its like this, a 14 yr old can beat multiple 10 yr olds can they not? Numbers do not provide strength it just requires more difficulty
@@ExperiencedPlayer2468 this is the kind of thing someone who hasn't tried going up against multiple opponents but has watched a lot of Donnie Yen movies would say
@@BrimleyAvatarThree Street thugs don't know how to accurately throw a punch, or have really never been accurately punched before.
I believe the biggest factor is the commitment from the multiple attackers. Most people who have a clue how to fight don't want to fight. So your odds of fighting 1 much less 2 people who know how to fight is pretty slim if you're an average bloke.
It's really easy to break the will of the uncommitted.
Exactly a person who knows how to fight wouldn’t wanna fight, meaning most likely your attackers would be chumps
Commitment, training, experience. There are many factors. If you are a boxer who can do one punch technical ko, you can beat a lot of unarmed, untrained people..
There is one way to win against a group: (if you are big , so running is not an option ;)
It's not about tactics, but psychologies.
Pick the biggest one or obvious leader, INSTANTLY charge on him not giving the group a chance to position.
All in, no defense, you only have one try.
Break his nose or add significant damage to him within the first seconds, with the help of surprise.
Most of the time, the group is not expecting the single guy to attack.
Then turn to the rest of the group and ask who wants to be next showing no fear and move SLOWLY FORWARD to the second biggest to give the group time to leave you alone.
If you directly attack the next one, you do not have the surprise anymore, so it´s very unlikely to bring him down quickly, and the other will very likely help their buddy in this case and bring you down.
If they are bullies and nobody wants to be the first to take the next hit --> you made it (typical bar brawl).
Done this, seen this.
If they are fighters, probably you would have failed from the get go, but anyway now you are fucked.
What you described actually happened to me when I was 12 yrs old. I was on my way home from school with my friend. My friend was riding a bike. Suddenly, 7-8 boys our age were walking along the road in a horizontal line towards us. So there was no way to get around or avoid to move through them. They were goofing around, 2 guys with a cigarette and also one on a bike and I felt that there might be a situation coming up.
I was right, because as soon as we walked through, the one guy on the bike turned around and shouted "hey you, stop". He circled with his bike and slowly drove towards us. I decided to go all in. I don't think they planned to beat us both up, but before anything might happen, I shouted at him "what do you want??" shoved the guy from his bike. He lost his cigarette and fell in a bush. After that, he was swinging at me and I somehow threw a jab (didn't know how to fight back then but this was just instinct) and landed. His front teeth pierced my knuckle, one of his teeth broke and he was bleeding all over the place. The guys around him were shocked and circled me "hey, leave him alone, go home".
They didn't want to fight, I could cleary tell. By the way: my friend on the bike just moved away and didn't engage, just made his distance. The group could've easily taken me out, but they weren't commited to do anything, they just wanted to intimitade us I think. I wouldn't advice to do something like that, especially to adults, but it was clearly the psychological component which prevented the others to rip my head off.
I like that you touched on power level haha. I mean, maybe a very skilled and athletic person could potentially take on 3-4 people who have no clue how to fight, but all it takes is that one person in the group who knows an increment of what they're doing to take more attention and time (via grappling) to give their buddies an opening. Well done video as always!
A very skilled athletic person can beat Up to 8 people, remember the average guy is very weak and dumb because why’d they need all that support for one guy if they could beat him alone? Another thing the average person is very weak so they’re done for
There are 2 forms I studied that are great against multiple attackers. Communications and Track.
I like how you put snippets of captured street fights in your videos to support your arguments. keep it up :)
I really like this video. As someone who has had to fight multiple opponents several times as I live in a very violent area, I can say for me I had success due to a combination of luck, being a lot stronger than my opponents, having an incredibly lethal punch and in some of those fights my attackers were inebriated.
On one occasion I got swarmed so fast It was impossible to defend myself and I nearly got kicked to death. If it wasn't for my brother and a couple friends showing up I'm convinced I would have died. 13 years on I still suffer with memory problems and severe dizzy spells as a result.
Bro you’re literally Batman
I took martial arts when I was younger and my first several fights I got jumped and it sucked every time
I hear you. I got lucky. I didn't live in a bad neighborhood but had travelled quite a bit in my 20's. I have had some sticky situations where I had to deal with multiple attackers and all I can say was that my martial arts training worked. Plus all the stars and planets were in alignment. My attackers in Taiwan knew kungfu, but I was head & shoulders taller than they and they were not smart enough to all try to attack me all at once. I suppose the fact that I was laughing at their childish moves helped unnerve them and destroy their confidence, which played a huge role in my getting through this unharmed.
I didn't say win. I don't know if there is a way to win in that kind of situation. I can't call it a plan. I trained martial arts a lot but didn't really have a solid plan to deal with multiple attackers but I am certain that my skill and ability gave me the confidence which unnerved my attackers. Is that a plan? To laugh at the attackers? I can't say it would always work. But keeping level headed and casual really helps you to use your brain for both strategy and skill. If you panic your skills disappear.
@@adamortlip2750no he isn’t he got stomped
Well they got lucky then if they stomped you
Such an underrated channel.
I agree with your comment, "I just hate when people act like beating 4-5 people is something anyone can do with a little bit of training, when it's really only something that large, gifted people can do after a crap-ton of training." Back when I was training for these kinds of fights, and consequentially winning these fights when they happened. I was part of a group of like individuals who were all professionally trained martial artists. We were all training 10-20 hours a week. Which included 5 hours of sparring. That is is after more then a decade of training and experience. Also, I was 6'5" and 400lbs. Yeah, this isn't something you are going to take a couple of classes for and magically turn into a badass. But just understanding the strategies can make a big difference even for unskilled fighters, though their chances of winning are significantly worse.
Also, most of time, you are fighting fairly weak opponents. Skilled fighters aren't traveling in groups looking to beat people up for fun. It takes a lot of discipline to be good. And people with self control don't just go around attacking people. Especially not in groups. Typically it is cowards who aren't confident in their skill that fight in groups.
The last time I got jumped by four guys, I just let them hit me in the face. After a minute or two, or what felt like it, I adopted a boxer's stance. Said, "I'm done screwing around." They said, "Oh shit." and ran away. No one got hurt. I had few bruises but no blood. People significantly overestimate the skill of these idiots who feel tougher in groups. And yes, all the training in the world doesn't guarantee a win but it does improve your odds.
Well said, the average guy cannot fight and if you’re getting jumped it’s most likely by a group average dudes no martial artists are jumping you, and like I said, a trained guy would most likely destroy a bunch of average guys why? Because they’re average, if a trained guy would curbstomp an average guy singularly, whose to say he can’t do multiple? More difficult? Duh? Impossible? Nah.
Bro, I agree with your comment. In addition to this, the punching power of trained fighter for instance, a trained boxer is far more than an average guy
bros the final boss 💀💀💀
"I'm done screwing around" there is no way this actually happened
@@ExperiencedPlayer2468brain-dead comment, multiple untrained guys can still sprint at you and grab you all at once and now you need the strength to escape 5 men pulling you to the ground and kicking you
@@itsoracle stupid foolish comment, a skilled trained guy isnt gonna let 5 untrained dudes touch, or even overpower him, make it make sense buddy
lol your such a smartass. that's a compliment- your cheeky humor style is greatly cherished. your material is very dispelling and the questions you ask and responses/answers you give are exactly what martial artists and fighters need to hear. i suspect that in the not-too-distant future, subscribers will begin flooding in. keep on truckin', my dude.
The best skill you can learn for For fighting multiple people or Self defense is situational awareness if You know what's going on around you you can usually avoid it
Nah man I could do it. I'm pretty sure I can totally take out my whole kids BJJ class by myself.
I once worked as a bouncer in Waikiki, in the early 1970s, at the Beef 'n' Grog Nightclub. *** For its 'era', it was the worst nightclub, on Waikiki. *** Drunk Vietnam War veterans, were fighting, the drunk local street fighting thugs. *** As a bouncer, I had to separate, and eject both sides. *** You had to fight multiple people. *** Most of the Waikiki bouncers, of that era, possessed one punch knock out skills. *** We were all active boxers & active martial arts practitioners.
So you recommend getting the multiple attackers drunk first.
@@memegazer Finally! A foolproof strategy!
@@memegazer notice how shrek briefly attempts that in the farquad castle fight?
My technique is that you could pick up objects and throw them while running and keeping the distance😂
System counter helps like assassin creed games
While I agree that fighting multiple opponents is extremely difficult, that's not to say there isn't value in training it.
Several reasons in no particular order:
1) You might be forced into that situation and its better to have some plan than just give up.
2) Some gangs are quite weak individuals and you just need to do enough damage that they reconsider.
3) In a training environment its a fun exercise.
4) Maybe there are multiple combatants on both sides, and while you might be temporarily outnumbered, you just need to hold your own until you buddies can help you out.
I understand you are trying to debunk martial arts that claim to be "effective" against multiple attackers, but while there are no "magic" techniques, there are strategies that can improve your chances and are better than nothing. If nothing else, training situational awareness and positioning is always time well spent.
Granted, if you want to specialize in ring fighting there are probably other things to focus on, depends what you are training for.
Some? Most
I was with four friends and we were standing outside a pub (on a UK high street, Friday night) deciding where to go next when we were attacked by two guys. Two loud, aggressive but very weedy guys. They were so drunk and pathetic one of them fell over and briefly knocked himself out before any of his punches connected. The other one kept swinging and grabbing at a friend of mine who was an amateur kickboxing champion. My friend showed maximum restraint and only gave the guy a couple of mild shoves. He too ended up on the deck. We had to move away at this point because some passers-by who hadn't seen what happened assumed that we were the aggressors standing over our 'victims'. Anyway, as we walked off the same two guys started to pick a fight with the people who had just helped them up off the pavement. And then a group of women steamed into the fray, joined by their boyfriends. Is there a serious point to this story? Choose very carefully when and where you stand around to have a chat on a night out. Being in a group of any size and staying in one place for too long can make you a magnet or target for idiots.
Those enemies could easily be beaten tho if you’re trained
What’s funny is we always think about fight multiple people with our fists instead of weapons. You probably have a better chance of beating three people in a machete fight than a fist fight. The same way it’s much easier to kill multiple people at a time in call of duty than halo. The faster the kill time the more likely you can kill them before they can kill you. In halo it’s basically impossible to will against 2 or three people. It’s difficult not impossible in cod. A lethal weapon that allows you to disable an opponent quickly is the only real chance. Even something like a knife or screwdriver which are relatively low power weapons still mean that you can reliably end an attack with one strike providing they don’t stop you. That’s not true with any unarmed strike. Even if your wee mile Tyson it’s still possible you take his best shot. No one can keep fighting with a knife through his temple. This why we need and should use weapons.
In hema you got a reasonable shot against a few guys if you have some physical edge. Two or three untrained or out of shape guys with wasters is pretty much no more of a challenge than one.
@@antonioyeats2149 It's like he said in the video, you can keep generating momentum/damage due to the longer range of a sword/staff/polearm or whatever.
@@mrmerfeo4320 agreed. Weapons really are an equalizer. My nephew who's nearly twice my size but knows squat about fighting in general has basically zero chance in an earnest match with bastard sword and buckler, while my girlfriend who's nearly half my size but did competitive fencing and kendo before we all started hema gets me a good 25% of the time with bastard sword and buckler inspite of fairly insane physical disadvantage
Well a trained can but still win alone but i agree tho
@@antonioyeats2149exactly dude! An out of shape slob is an out of shape slob
Really great video. Very informative while covering material that apparently was already covered sufficiently (when it hadn't) with just a touch of humor (without going into jerk territory).
No this is pointless
I can easily beat multiple attackers, I just invite my assailants to the bar and buy a couple rounds for the bois
is the law you're talking about at 5:15 the same as Lanchester's square law?
YES! Thank you! I knew I had heard about something similar in military science many years ago but I could NOT find it!
The equation is different, because I am trying to find power levels needed for a single person and Lanchester was estimating casualties for a large force. But the general line of thinking is the same, and my vague recollection from learning that law 15 years ago did inspire this.
@@ArmchairViolence cool. glad to be of help😏
@@ArmchairViolence The video of the guy in the UK in his scenario has a wall behind him when being attacked by multiple attackers where as your'e example did not. Are you a martial artist? You don't look like it.
As someone who has actually been in a two on one fight it is harder than hell. Good vid dude.
OMFG the martial arts community desperately needs your channel
Lol thank you for this. Every time I see a dramatized multiple opponent scenario, the aggressors never do it right, likely for the benefit of the demonstration or fight scene.
If guy #1 ties up your arms, either by throwing punches or grappling, and while you’re dealing with that, guy #2 circles and hits you with a double leg, there’s not much you can do, and no martial art or training system will help you. Maybe a weapon, if you’ve practiced that situation. Maybe.
Good video and good points. Before I transitioned to Muay Thai, we used to spar 2 against 1, and even 3 against 1 in TKD. It was possible, with a little training, to keep the opponents in line most of the time. Sparring against 3 was almost impossible and required great movement and a huge skill advantage.
Having said that, there is a major factor lacking in the equation, and that is motivation. Not everyone will always be motivated to give 100%, especially if they are in a group. Fighting a highly motivated group is, likely with extremely few exceptions, not a fight - it is an assault or an assassination.
However, if you are very skilled and fight a group that is less motivated and less skilled, you may still have a chance if you can't run away. I have two friends who have beaten up five attackers - one of them was one of the best MMA fighters on the planet, and the other guy looked like Butterbean and was a national boxing champion.
It can be done.
Love your video, pretty informative for a question I see a lot. And "If that's your plan, you're stupid" got a good laugh out of me 😂
“If that’s your plan, you’re stupid.” A man after my own heart.
Watching your videos is educational and very entertaining. Thank you for making me laugh.
5:37 ahh yes my favorite video game, lazy town XD
Great video, and as a maths nerd I wanted to say that actually you're completely right! The square law of multiple attackers was really interesting and completely right within the simplified video game model which is probably a very suitable model for thinking about it quantitatively and gets to the crux of the problem directly: increasing N affects two factors (the attack power and durability) that multiply together to give D. Even when you do consider the effect of opponents getting eliminated one by one, reducing the "damage" output of the other side over time, the overall difficulty STILL increases quadratically because it becomes the sum of integers up to N (which has a formula 0.5(n^2+n)) which is an even more obvious way of framing it to show that the amount the danger increases by increases with each new attacker added.
Agree completely, first thing and most important it does not workout at all like you imagined or trained for, as someone who has fought the standard drunken, soft, untrained office worker types successfully and then fought the hard, trained, partially drunk cowboys arguably unsuccessfully, I was very slowly but surely losing. They just kept getting back up and attacking, the arrival of the police put an end to a long drawn out messy street brawl. For me it was a great wake up call to the reality’s of fighting multiple opponents. Even for a very fit, trained fighter with a reasonable amount of experience it was a bruising experience. So even though I was still standing and engaging I ended up with concussion, I got hit a lot. Mainly around the back and sides of my head and body. Luckily nobody brought out a knife.
So my advice to my past self is practise verbal judo, disengage and disappear, if that fails or is not practical use a force multiplier and or hope someone steps in and helps out. Heads up don’t rely on spectators stepping in they seem to enjoy watching but that’s it. Point of interest in the fight I was losing the Police were initially going to arrest me !, and it was 3 against one. So the legalities of violence in the street is another whole conversation.
I remember times when we were training such things. The main thing that I learned, is that you are buying time. Time to get somebody to help, time to find an opening to escape, time for someone to call for the cops etc etc...but eventually you're going to be out numbered. And when I'm speaking about time, I'm meaning seconds, 20 seconds is a long time in a said situation.
Speaking as a doorman of over 15 years and had hundreds of varied encounters I can speak with confidence that grappling is useless to you and will get you hurt or killed, the only hope you have with multiple attackers is have 1 to 3 well drilled strikes, drilled to the level of tens of thousands of times so you know you've got knock out power. Then it's about posturing and positioning.
Geoff Thompson, Lee Morrison are your guys to learn from. Not from a guy who's never been there and done it.
oh man- i love your ehthusiasm!
thank you so much for the reality check, i now feel better about walking away from fights with multiple guys knowing i cannot do it
THANK YOU FINALLY SOMEONE WITH A REAL ANSWER. If I was there at those instructor examples I'd speak up and tell them to stop with the examples and just let them go at you and lets see what happens. I bet none of them will be able to do the same thing twice.
Just wanted to say I luv your videos. You have not only confirmed my beliefs but also taught me quite a bit. The only thing I disagreed with you on is the usefulness of karambits. So keep pumping out awesome content please.
I saw several YT videos showing boxing used in self defense situations. Self-defense boxing advocates against multiple attackers is to take the offensive. Use the simple combination of two or more left jabs then a strong right cross to the attacker's chin. This presupposes that your multiple attackers are untrained in boxing. But the camera video footage showed it worked. A street fight showed a guy doing just that. He took down two multiple attackers with simple jabs then a right cross. He didn't waste time. Down one dude then the next. There were a few others in the crowd but they backed off seeing two of their fellows on the ground. That would be the right time to turn around and run away.
One becomes overwhelmed quickly. Even if you can read all of them, you cant react to them all at once.
Effectively, as mentioned, it sounds like the main way to beat multiple opponents is the same way you beat one opponent, but multiply the difficulty.
Which honestly, I feel like you don't even need to have a very violent scenario to see how difficult that can be, all you need is to be the biggest guy in a room full of small, hyperactive children who like to wrestle.
As an uncle, my nieces are about half my size each, entirely unskilled, and I could easily lift each of them with one arm-
But if they're determined enough, they can hold me down and I won't be able to do anything about it.
Now replace me going easy on my nieces with a life or death scenario with two full grown men, and you go from mildly difficult to nearly impossible, and throw in a third person and then you have an encounter which is dangerous even if I'm armed and they're not.
You can even see this in real life, if there's someone with a knife or a gun in a group of people, 7 times out of 10, that person is going to be dragged, tossed to the ground, pinned down, and then disarmed until the police show up.
The primary ways to beat a group, are to either be dramatically more dangerous than them, or to look like you are, and hope that intimidation will make them hesitate long enough to give you an opportunity.
It's a fictional character, but even most reasonably written stories involving Batman fighting multiple people will say, it's not because Batman is able to overpower them, he knows he can't, it's because people are fucking terrified to fight him, and even that little bit of hesitation is an exploitable weakness, of which you'll need to exploit A LOT to stand a chance.
It's not about "being stronger", it's about breaking their confidence so they don't even try.
Which is how I got my nieces to stop trying to ambush me on their own-
Now my nephew joins in as well. (Please send help)
So fighting multiple is hard just because theyre grown men…what? Fighting multiple people as a trained opponent is easy simply from the fact that one has experience with fighting and has skill, mindset, etc to win against a bunch of average untrained slumps…
@@ExperiencedPlayer2468 I don't think you understood what I was saying at all, and I'm not even sure you watched this video.
Fighting multiple people is never easy, I used the kid example to show, a single person would only ever win if they have an overwhelming advantage over the group.
In my example, if they're just generally bigger, stronger, and smarter, they may stand a chance.
Try being a slightly smaller guy who is trained in a street fight with two or three other guys that are just straight up bigger than you, you'll get stomped in a matter of seconds, unless you're an actual MMA fighter who has trained for this EXACT scenario, your odds of survival, let alone winning, are less than 50%.
Think of fighting multiple people as being akin to fighting someone in a completely different weight class, if you're let's say 160, and you're fighting someone who is a healthy 200 pounds, sure, you may be able to win if you have dramatically more experience than them, but if they know even the bare basics, you lose a ton of your advantage, because they're already bigger, stronger, and heavier than you, and now they just know how to throw a somewhat decent punch-
And it only takes one to knock your lights out. That's why there are weight classes in the first place, a heavier and taller person is just naturally gonna be better at fighting than someone who is smaller and shorter.
Continuing to think of weight as a primary factor-
Let's say you're the same 160 pound guy, but you're officially professional level, and you're fighting that same guy again, but now he has a friend just as big as he is-
You are now 160 pounds of pro, against 400 pounds of pissed off humanity, with 4 arms, and 4 legs, that can be in two places at once-
You're still not gonna win that fight.
Technique and conditioning is great, and it'll let you go way further than you would otherwise, but there's a point of diminishing returns that simply doesn't exist if you have the option of simply calling more friends for help.
A single human body has an upper limit to how much it can adapt, you simply will never be able to out train some people, simply because of genetics, hard work only beats natural advantage so long as natural advantage doesn't work hard, and so long as that advantage is capable of being overcome in a single lifetime.
There's no amount of training that an average person can go through that will prepare them to fight 3 people of the same size, weight, and strength, with roughly equal genetics.
Just like there's no amount of training OR genetics that will make you immune to getting shot in the face-
The side that can put out, and withstand the most force in a conflict, will always win. That's the underlying rule that all forms of violence follow.
One thing I have to say is that you might be able to fight off multiple opponents at once, because it does happen, but it often involves people attacking the group first, being damn good at fighting and practically trying to kill attackers.
It won't work if you just hit three dudes in the face with power that it barely enough to make it slightly bloody.
You need to be the type of guy that can take pretty much anyone in a 1v1, even if it's unfair and opponent doesn't use same martial arts / unpredictable amateur, be violent and, most importantly, BE TRAINED FOR THAT.
Even if you're good in 1v1, you have to TRAIN to fight MULTIPLE opponents. Like, you master 1v1, you move to 1v2 and so on. I bet you never will win consistently, especially against TRAINED fighters, but you will be more comfortable with the situation that you have practiced before.
It's easy to say "Just move like that and turn 1v4 into 4 1v1s", but what if you don't have the space to? What if there are people with you? What if you're injured / tired? There is too many variables to street fights even against ONE opponent.
Spot On
Awww. I was waiting for you to hold up 16 fingers. Good info and p.o.v. Thanks.
Those videos just give you more likelihood of survival
:))) ...Finally a realistic video on the subject! Great video!
You mean a narrow minded video
I love this channel, freaking mad skills bro. Just binging your videos.
If you were going to fight them hand to hand, the best method would be to somehow take them one at a time. So presumably run and get each one as they catch up.
Today i was attacked by 3 guys(18-20yrs old local wannabe gangsters) and they approached me while iv just finished my workout(this took place on the local calisthenics park). my muscles were swore and i was exhausted.(im 1.75cm 62kg lean with some boxing experience) first i tried to avoid the conflict by asking whats their problem etc when suddenly one of them loaded a big punch towards me. i was aware of the body language so i avoid it with my guard on and a stepback. Then when they all tried to attack me i used much explosive punch faints so i could take some ground and dont back up(to show no fear) and they finally left after 2mins. what i think saved me was that i could manage the adrenaline hit from experience and keep calm so i stayed focused and dont get more tired. And guys let me tell you the first thing i thought was to run. stay safe! (sorry for my english)
Fully agree! Been saying most of these same things for a long time now and it’s always been ridiculed. Though perhaps I’ve failed to articulate it as well, these points seem obvious to me.
"All that theorizing and where did it lead you? BACK TO GRAPPLING!!" 🤣🤣 literally everytime
I worked in prison for 5 years, and there are some huge, very tough guys in there. Still never saw anybody defend successfully against two or more officers.
Probably has something to do with the fact that officers carry tasers, firearms, batons, and are moderately well trained in hand to hand combat, and prisoners, while being big, most likely not being trained combatants.
@@Bladerunner39 None of that is true. If you took that equipment into the cell house, the inmates would take it away immediately. Corrections officers are just average Joes.
Running + boxing saved me in a 2v1 once. Comboed one guy and dashed under his counter while the other guy was trying to grab me from behind. I ran and didn't look back, only stopped when I didn't hear their footsteps behind me anymore.
The positioning thing (dont' be between 2 guys), and grappling thing (don't any of the guys grab you) aren't necessarily bad points. The problem is people picking their win condition to be beating the shit out of their attackers. The moment you give up on running away is when everything you say in this video applies.
Once again thats the ideal option, if you can’t run away you can win if you’re trained simple bro😂
Great video. In the boxing gym we sometimes do 2 vs 1 where the 2 can only throw jabs. The 2 win every time.
"Is a bad plan." JINX!!! 😂😂🤣
Also loved your boss fight analogy.
Your insight is amazing keep up the good work.
"The square law of multiple attackers", make sure your lawyer explains this concept to the jury in your defense when you had to use seemingly excessive force when outnumbered.
I love your videos, but as someone that has Ben in fight with two or more attackers more than once and held my own and sometimes one, it is very possible to overcome those odds! I have police documentation and witness testimony if this is possible! Best thing that I am a better fighter than anyone, some people are unnatural at what they do, however not everyone that train can do this. Great video my friend keep up the great work
Yeah, I should have been more clear that it IS possible, but it requires you to MASSIVELY outclass your opponents. Like, Jon Jones could probably fight 3-4 of me at once, because he's Jon Jones.
I just hate when people pretend that beating up 5 grown men is something that anyone could do with a little bit of training when it's really something that only large, talented people can do after a crap-ton of training.
It’s a vague concept… ‘Multiple attackers’ can mean that someone hit one guy in a fight and then that person’s friend ran over and you fought him off.
That generally is not what people are thinking of. And depending on where you live and what you do for a living, if you’re genuinely getting jumped by 3 or more people at once who all intend to do you serious harm, you need to really question your life choices.
So, the natural likelihoods are that the person is either lying or leaving out significant details… like whether or not “multiple attackers” means your girlfriend and her little sister.
Good to know You had me scared for a second. 😅@@ArmchairViolence
Brutally underated youtuber and Martail Artist
your video game analogy is cool because you just described Dark Souls 2
Fuckin awesome vid! I fell in love with ur channel just with this vid haha
This is excellent
at one school we had 2 on one sparring for a blackbelt test... full speed, still light on contact... it was possibly the hardest part of the test, especially since it was rarely trained.
I love it how you already have all the footnotes, appendix and exceptions included in preemptive address to the math nerds lol
I couldn't win multiple attackers but I'm willing to bet Mike Tyson in his prime could. After all according to you're logic (which seems sound btw) the real solution is to be orders of magnitude above average.
Man it all depends on the opponent. You're talking about a killing machine. With a punch of almost 1 ton.
Front kick Ball shots and fast movement seems like the best option against multiple people if you can’t run.
This video made me feel so powerful. Didn’t know I was superhuman.
The only way to potentially "line them up" is to run away, hoping they have different sprinting speed.
Fear/hormones will provide you with some extra running speed and near infinite stamina, of you choose to not fight and just keep running.
You had me at 'you're stupid' :)
A bit late to the comment of this video.
I was once almost surrounded by four guys. I chose to run and luckily got away. In security work I have always made sure I have distance and/or obstacles in the way…. or not approach at all and just call the cops. Getting into a physical altercation for near minimum wage isn’t worth it.
I don’t know of anyone personally that has been able to take on multiple people.
I wholeheartedly agree. Thinking back, I had 3 real fights against multiple attackers.
One of them I won, it was a hitchhiking incident where I sat in the backseat opposed by 3 guys. One backhand-slapped me in the face when I protested as they deviated from the main road into a forest path. I kicked both guys in the front seats in the neck multiple times with my boots, driver braked, and I jumped out of the car and ran into the woods. The guy next to me was their 16y/o cousin or something, and he jumped out as soon as the fight happened.
The second was 2 drugged up guys vs me, where the smaller guy caught 2 severe punches, but the other dropped me and mounted me, but I still managed to punch him and grab both of his eyelids until they started bleeding. He was just barely able to constrain my arms. That was technically a stalemate as it was ended by some pedestrians who intervened. Had the weaker guy done what his buddy suggested i.e. "Kick him in the head!", it could have ended much worse for me.
The third was at a festival, where a bunch of hools, like 4 or 5, tried to grab a bundle of posters I was holding. I punched one guy and was on the ground within a second, and received a bad kick to the neck, which could have made me a paraplegic. Luckily, I only had 2 weeks of neck pain.
The first situation was hardly avoidable, the second and third were. The second could have been managed better and been a win, but still not absolutely necessary. The third, I should just have given up the posters. I was clearly overconfident.
Ps. This illustrates a good point. Focusing on incapacitating one can help, but that can make others mad and be difficult. I've used eye jabs and heavy throws. Groups DO run faster than a single person. You turn, the person closer to that side of turning is closer.
The best defense….be like Batman and instead of grappling use a grappling hook to escape to the nearest rooftop if you’ve successfully done this you will realize it’s only a dream and you just woke up from getting viscously stomped out.
In a situation where multiple attackers is unavoidable, I would grab a weapon to improve my odds. Fighting is no joke (especially with multiple attackers) and it could end with me being dead. Yes, it's not foolproof, but I think it would improve my chances. I may be wrong.
I have seen many attacks during my 16 years in Fed Prisons and 2 years in county jails. Without weapons, very few people are capable of doing much of anything. A truly strong striker can easily handle 2-3 guys, if he's ready for it.
Yeah def need this
Yet, people do it successfully every day. Nobody said it would be easy. It’s a fight.
The Spiderman VS Batman-and-Robin costumed MMA fight video though. LOL
This is also called the Lanchester's square law, developed during the WW1.
It's because the opponents *can* attack simoulatanously, no matter what kind of tactical genius you are
There are indeed videos here on RUclips of one man defeating multiple opponents bare handed so it can be done. It requires the defender to be in better than average physical shape, be quick, be powerful, and have a bit of luck on their side but it can and has been done before.
When I was a kid (around 13 yo) our coach did a session of a psychological training. He wanted us to understand what it is like - to fight against several opponents. So he was just pointing at one person in the room, and that person had to hold on for just 30 secs against the other 4-5 dudes. Running away was allowed, but you couldn't escape the room. None of us could survive. I got caught by two guys by hands and then the other one just punched me in the nose and it bled. That was a very good lesson for each of us.
Takeaways. 1: Practice your self protection skills, 2: practice your escape and evasion skills, 3: carry and be proficient in the use of multiple tools.
I just use my pepper spray that's it.
If everyone is equally skilled and equally invested in attacking you then you are 100% correct. However, this aspect is not addressed. The fact that superior knowledge of fighting can give a distinct advantage by simply knowing where the off switches are. Like the very tip of the chin, liver, side base of the neck. The second thing is the psychological effect of not being fully invested in the fight. What I mean by that, is attacking the leader first is key, brutality in that attack will generally make anyone not invested back down. You basically have @3s to make them believe you’re violent, capable, and willing to go farther than they are. But again, you are right, in the case of them not caring about that and being intent on hurting. In which case you’re gonna get messed up either way so you better take as many of them out as you can.
Short answer, yes. Nuanced answer, NO. You can *engage* multiple opponents, but you still have to fight them one at a time, through tactical maneuvering. Keep all of them in front of you, where they get in each other's way. Saw a guy straight KTFO his wingman that way, in a bar fight.
If hit super hard on one move at their weakness body point one to another person. Would it works?
I watched a BILLY JACK movie where the villain, evil rich rancher Mr. Posner, sends a number of his thugs against Billy Jack in an Arizona town. At first Billy Jack is able to Hapkido kick and karate chop several converging thugs because they're still widely spread out around Billy Jack. But once the thugs tightened the circle and converged on Billy, someone whacked him on the back of the head with a stick. Stunned, two men held his arms as a third punched Billy in the face and stomach. Only the timely appearance of the town sheriff stopped the beating.
My point is that at least this was an honest depiction of a multiple attack against one brave, determined, skilled man. In the end, the superior numbers of untrained men got the better of the one good man. Billy Jack's really feasible option would have been to run away. But in the movie, several of the school's students were still in the ice cream shop and Billy Jack did not want to abandon them.
In the typical Hollywood fight scene, the one man would have won against the multiple attackers. But as many viewers pointed out, in the movies you see guys behind the hero just standing there. They attack him one at a time instead of rushing in to overwhelm him. So it's not realistic.
Still, I think it's possible to learn how to defend against two attackers, maybe three, but after that it becomes near impossible without some kind of strong weapon. A lot of times, running away is not an option. You get ambushed and you have to fight back immediately.
The video length suggests what we should do in this case
3:30 even the dog tried to beat his ass lmao