I am guilty of trying to temper a fighter's ego and get him to be more realistic. In this case, I was seeing a drop off in enthusiasm during training though because he felt he was above what we were doing. The razor's edge the coach has to walk is letting the fighter believe he is destined for greatness, but that he still needs work. I don't know that I handled it the best, but we are also trying to wrangle adults that don't actually have to listen.
I'm sure finding the fine line is hard enough let alone teaching it and walking it. I'm still trying to figure out some stuff about that line and how to disapline it and teach it. However I have yet to even teach anyone the mindset of martial arts nor do I have a school to teach at. I still have a lot to learn and I'm trying to learn while understanding and coming up with my own answers to things and then try them out. It's just not easy and anyone that says it easy is fooling themselves.
I’m not gonna pretend to know anything about coaching since I barely know even a fraction about fighting so far but I think it’s a pretty good sign that you are fully aware of all this and seemingly are trying to improve. I’m hoping the hard work pays off for you and your squad
Icy Mike your capacity for honest assessment, especially of yourself, is one of the things that keeps me coming back to your channel - and soon, your training events! You da man.
I love the delves that you do into aspects of fighting such as physiology and sports psychology. Please keep it coming. Less than a minute into your video I was really hoping you were going to mention some combination of Wonderboy, GSP, and Feodor. Please keep it coming!
Before that. Mindset wins fights. Mindset is the wind that makes you work like a mtfkr your while Life to get there and be as increíble as some of those guys are. And Ramsey is great. Love him!
You're really good at explaining things! Every sentence drips with psychological insight, explaining why you need to practice having an Empathy Disorder and Narcissism in order to be a good fighter. I haven't seen anyone else explain it like this. Great job! You helped me understand this sport isn't for me, because someone in need of emotional healing shouldn't be doing things like this.
To be fair, you don't need to have that personality to do the sport casually. Most people doing MMA are perfectly nice! It's just the top competitors that are disproportionately likely to be kind of awful.
It really depends what you want to get Out of the Sport. Technique Training, conditioning and light Sparring dont requiere much aggression. I noticed when i tried Out American Football that i wasnt aggressive enough to takkle on the Same Level AS the Others and i decided to Play a different Position before i changed Sports.
Mike Tyson and Michael Jordan have that classic toxic champion mindset. I remember on some podcast, Tyson said he studied the lives of great conquerors to channel that energy into his fighting.
As one who followed Tyson's career since 1985 I can tell you that only after he stopped training seriously (following the Spinks fight in the summer of 1988) did his bravado become cartoonish. Deep down, he knew the real deal: the macho displays were a cover for insecurity born of a knowledge that he hadn't done his homework in the gym and was not properly prepared to fight.
Didnt he cried before a match that he thought he was gonna loose and ended up winning first round? Havent check yet but am sure ive heard about that somewhere
@@Undergamer12 Yep. He used to cry before fights because he was scared. Everybody feels fear before they get into the ring at any level, even a knockout machine like Mike Tyson.
When people talk about GSP being humble and kind they seem to forget how he fights, he’s incredibly confident in his abilities and technically vicious. Man’s nickname is rush for his aggressiveness in the cage. So yes while his polite and soft spoken outside the cage when that door shuts he mauls people like an angry dog. The difference is he can control that side of himself when it’s not needed
Coming from boxing, GSP sounds much like GGG. To be great at anything as bottom-line-based as fighting, or competitive individual sports generally, you need to have a perspective that is firmly grounded in reality. Cus D'Amato: “When two men step into the ring, one and only one deserves to win. When you step into the ring, you gotta know you deserve to win. You gotta know destiny owes you victory cause you trained harder than your opponent. You sparred harder. You ran farther.”
GSP is an interesting case, from what I've heard in interviews from his coaches and training partners over the years it's that he very much does have that mindset, but he didn't take it with him into the cage, he only let it out during training cause in his mind preparing for a fight was harder than the actual fight, so that's where he needed to push himself the hardest.
I think the cruel/insane part of the personality really only applies to people with relatively privileged backgrounds. For people like francis ngannou or Charles olivera, fighting was a rational choice compared to the alternative, and they also come of as much nicer people than a lot of their western counterparts.
That is a pretty good hypothesis. People from poorer countries might fight because it's a calculated, lucrative decision. But, for most people born in the West, it's a terrible and risky career. So, the only Westerners that would do it just especially love violence lol I wish we could give UFC fighters personality assessments to try and test that hypothesis.
Most of the boxers I know from the west are not privileged people at all, they are almost all working class, from poor rough areas. But I guess I would be suspicious of a wealthy guy who wants to get into professional combat sports.
@@ArmchairViolence i think youre wrong actually, bcz if you see the list of all fighters with more than 3 or 4 title wins (the best of the best) youll see that theyre pretty distributed between the toxic mindset, a kind mindset and a normal mindset, so i think that many mentalities (including the toxic one) can be gooD to a fighters carrer.
Toxic champion mindset: 1. Be crazy 2. Be willing to hurt people unsympathetically 3. Be insanely confident; you can do ANYTHING, you ARE the best in the world 4. Be entitled; the world is yours to take 5. Be aware that these traits can and probably will ruin your life, so practice being able to turn off this switch outside the cage (stoicism can help)
I haven't watched it myself, but this reminds me of an anime I've seen making the rounds called "Blue Lock", from what I've heard, it's effectively about an experiment/school/training center to create the most egotistical, championship winning soccer players possible. A lot of people have been talking about how it really dives into the spirit of what it takes to be "number 1" in a sport, even one as seemingly co-operative as soccer with a massive emphasis on team play.
A few champions off the top of my head that don’t have toxic champion mindset: Manny Pacquiao Andre Ward Leo Santa Cruz Danny Garcia Mikey Garcia Miguel Cotto Loma
I feel the best way is to have this mindset and everything else you described. But be able to reign it in and almost switch off when outside of the cage/ring and training camp.
I think it's worth noting that that same "switch" you talk about to turn off your empathy can be used for every one of these toxic personality traits. I try my hardest be good a good, kind, respectful, humble dude in my daily life. But the second I step into a competition, that switch from 'nice dude' to 'arrogant monster' gets flipped. The part where you said "it's an injustice that I don't have that belt already" especially rang a chord, as I adapt almost that exact mindset. I feel like a psycho even typing this out, but my opponent is just an obstacle that isn't even worth my time, but had the audacity to stand between me and my medal, and they need to be destroyed for their insolence. And then as soon as the bout is over, I run over, give them a hug, congratulate them on fight well done, and let them know it was an honor to go against them. A lot of the time, I'll catch up with them later for a beer or a dinner. Which is a long way of saying you don't have to be a dick your whole life, you just have to be a dick for the duration of a fight. Learn to turn it off and on as needed.
Dude that is me every time I step on the wrestling mat I turn into a different beast on the mat and then after practice pretend like I wasn’t just mercilessly beating on my teammates for two hours
@@undefined_digit😂😂😂 Basically when Lyoto Machida bows to his unconscious opponents hahaha Some people say the bowing was low-key more disrespectful than aggressively celebrating because bowing kinda has a vibe of "I respect that you tried to beat me but you just simply don't belong in this cage with me" 😂
Police dogs are supposed to attack on command. Off-duty, they are normal, well-adjusted dogs. On-duty, they are vicious killers until their boss calls them back. If dogs can do it, people can.
Well said I was having this convo with myself a couple days ago…..to be in combat sport you must have delusional level self belief Because if you don’t it will show in the ring…..All other sports you can hide behind your teammates but in combat sports you can’t and that’s why it’s so beautiful because it reveals your weaknesses and strengths
Agree with pretty much every you have said. All I would add is that humility genuinely seems very very useful for a high level fighter because humility causes one to honestly access their weakness and fix holes in their game. Humility is the ultimate source of information and knowledge is power. I think this helped guys like GSP, Gordan Ryan, Khabib, Volk and others.
Really enjoying your content lately. I just started training at a gym in my early 30's. I can say that from watching a few ufc fighters train and my own limited experience (gym is owned by ufc figther and has regional champs in fc's) these toxic mindsets really bleed into practice, and for whatever reason are not stopped by the coaches in my very limited experience. These people that embody this, are allowed to treat others like shit, in front of the coaches, so long as they are the most dominant fighters, whos competing and winning. I don't know what the answer is but it is super discouraging to train in an environment where you are seen as, at best, prey( by people more experienced, younger, and stronger).
Hi, I’m a bantamweight fighter and this video is almost pretty much spot on. In order for me to be better than the other fighters at my gym I have to purposely put myself in a dark place so I can be more angry when it’s time to go… but on the flip side it hurts my personal life a lot. Hopefully one day I can figure out a balance between things but giving up will never be the option.
_“I’ve seen too many schools try to iron out or tame any natural athlete that gets too overconfident or entitled”_ Honestly I can see why so many people make this mistake. I once read a Manga where a local Karate Champion was forced on the back foot when matched up against a hungry AF beast of a young athlete! While this is happening his teacher is lamenting the fact that he *“Defanged”* the champion at a young age(for an understandable reason) partly in order to make him a _”Model Martial Artist”_ and should’ve anticipated someone with much bigger *“Fangs”* inevitably showing up. Back then I thought this was absolute horseshit meant to enable a self-destructive mentality over playing it smart. Now I’m starting to see why there might have been a grain of truth to it. I hate to say it but I think I might be one of those fighters who doesn’t really tug on the metaphorical leash much . . . _if at all._
To be honest, you don't have to be cruel, you just have to not see them as a person. Aggression is good, but to be able to go the distance, it's just about doing the job (strategy, persistence, looking for the opportunities).
This. 100% this. There's another aspect I would attribute to this mindset: Compulsive competitiveness. As you said, this goes beyond combat sports. The best athletes are mostly obsessed with winning, no matter the circumstances. Go to a party with professional athletes and brag that you can drink more beer than them. Fast forward and 30 minutes later at least one of them is probably pass out drunk and flipping you off from the ground. As for the "counter example". I think even GSP doesn't count. The man is hyper competitive, has absolutely no problem with hurting people in the cage, definitely had that hunger (praying to White on his knees for a tittle shot) and also the hyper confidence. Listen to him talking about BJ Penn, at this point one of the most dangerous guys in the sport. Or consider him stepping in the cage after Matt Hughes, at this point the greatest WW ever and telling him "I'm not impressed with your performance". That's insane!
I defiantly know what you mean about super levels of confidents. I think about all those interviews I see with fighters, who are not just ready, but eager, to take on the current champion. Even they have an amazing record. Whenever I've seen that I've thought something like, due, why are you so eager to get into a cage with this monster. I guess part of me assumed that it was that they loved the challenge. And that might be part of it, but I think your also probably right, a lot of it might just have to do with having these super levels of confidents. Which is not really a bad thing, if they can remember to tamp down on it, when outside the cage.
I've explained this to people, and they never understand. Then when they win an altercation, I'm like.. see? Do you feel like a terrible person? Welcome to the club
Oh - was there a video? I was too busy admiring that handsome gym. And watching the clock to see how long it takes you to film this lol But seriously, it's hard to have fighters interact with your normal students and be successful. Here's hoping I can figure that out as I grow
It is really about being competitive and willing to relentlessly work hard towards the singular objective of winning ( whether in a ring or surviving a violent encounter ). I think of the historical Miyamoto Musashi who said that one should be "calm yet determined" when in combat, and as an individual pushes their athletic and technical capabilities towards superior performance they obtain real confidence. I do not believe this to be a toxic mindset, though some can be douchebags as to how they express this confidence towards others.
I'm pretty sure being cocky or a douchebag is in reality fear and trying to hype them selves up out of fear. And mentally psych out a opponent to get a upper edge ofcourse. If a person truely believes they are superior to a opponent they don't need to hype themselves up or any anger or to gain mental dominance. Because they already know the reality.
@@dn8443 I agree, truly confident people tend to let their actions speak for themselves, and everything else is just a psyop for their opponents or revenue generating "fight hype".
@@torstenscott7571 I agree about the revenue part. But if you need to psych out your opponent then you must know on some level he can hurt or beat you. So people that do that don't really want a 100% even playing field or competition so to speak. I'm honestly more scared of a quiet stoic fighter that's complimenting and even joking around or down playing himself with his opponents. Because if he isn't scared then he's 100% a dangerous mofo who knows he can beat the guy at 100% of his ability. There's a reason why trying to psych out your opponent is kind of looked at as a weaker move in fighting and the quiet, respectful "humble" guys that don't do that are more respected by other real fighters.
@@dn8443 you are 100% right on that. I recall watching a Fedor fight more than a decade ago with some friends. As the ref went over the rules, Fedor stoically and quietly looked down instead of at his opponent. Some of my louder and more obnoxious coworkers remarked that Fedor was scared (mind you these guys were not fighters nor knowledgeable as to who Fedor was. Needless to say, I won about $150.00 betting on Fedor to the stunned surprise of my less informed coworkers.
@@torstenscott7571 exactly. I loved Fedor man he one of the best ever to do it. No ego, no emotions, no wasted energy just pure ability. Dude truely didn't give a fuck about loosing, pain, death whatever. Just went in & got the job done. He's a great role model for this & future gen fighters. True warrior & a class act.
Nobody that has ever fought will argue against being confident to win a fight. Turning you empathy off is essential to murder that fuck in the other corner. After being completely terrified and overcomed with dount in my first bjj match, my coach told me that i had to view my opponent as a threat to me and my family, who would rape and murder and would do everything thats possible to do such things. Even to this day i have so much difficulty in focusing during competition because of how hard it is to want to hurt a guy you dont know.
Even in other sports, the lack of this mentality can hurt your chances of success. I've lost plenty of fencing matches because I felt my opponent deserved the win more or something like that. I'm trying to work on that, but I'm conflict-avoidant as hell. I'm also noticing it in boxing and kickboxing spars, where I'm afraid to go too hard while my opponents are trying to jackhammer me.
Even in non combat sports the mentality of winners is similar. Stephen Hendry who won 7 world snooker titles was asked if he ever felt sorry for opponents. His reply was "no, its not my fault if they're not up to the job".
I think the fighters who are 'nice' (like GSP) are simply good at walking away with the four points you mentioned. Especially the one about keeping the fight where it belongs, before it can ruin your career.
The people of Ireland have long since ceased being surprised when Conor McGregor does something utterly batshit. I see his name in a headline and my immediate thought is "well this should be good for a laugh" I remember when he punched out that old dude for calling his shit whiskey shit and my Facebook was inundated with memes for weeks. Mostly calling the old guy a hero 🤣
That old guy took the punch like a champ… I honestly was surprised he took so well and it didn’t even look like he flinched very much. I think that is pretty much the high-level mentality at almost any particular field they all tend to be assholes in someway. Fighters are super aggressive, actors/ actresses are super narcissistic…
Hi, if you're interested and got the time, there's another topic that might be interesting. I took a first aid course yesterday and during the "call for help" section the inevitable happened: "don't yell, help! Yell fire instead!" This advice has been bugging me for a while, since there seem to be no actual studies on this (at least I can't find any). It's just might be something that gets repeated by instructors and falls into the same category as palm strikes: I know a counterintuitive secret! Behold! What I hate about this "advice" is that it seems to fundamentally misunderstand human nature. We're social creatures and helping each other is in our freaking DNA. If someone yells for help, people tend to help! But there's the aspect of "bystander apathy" which tends to take effect when there are so many bystanders that nobody feels responsible anymore. But even then people usually at least call the police. All this aside, I'd love a scientific look at this. Are there actually studies? Is this all just thanks to bad/unethical media coverage of crimes like the Genovese murder? Where else does this advice come from and why does it stick? Is it even helpful after all and am I just wrong? 😅
This is an EXCELLENT question, but I'm not sure if it's within the scope of my channel since it's only tenuously related to violence. But I admire your thought process!
@@ArmchairViolence Thanks :) I thought it might be interesting because it's a dogma in self defense (especially in women's self defense classes), but you're right, it's not about violence itself, but responding to it
@@jc-kj8yc However, I did look it up and your instincts were right! Experiments seem to find that yelling "fire" is one of the consistently worst things you can yell while being attacked.
@@jc-kj8yc I found this: www.quora.com/If-you-are-being-attacked-is-it-really-better-to-scream-fire-instead-of-help-me?share=1 which had this study on it: onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1559-1816.1980.tb00729.x Those are the best sources I've seen on it so far. But it's also worth noting that it would seem the odds of getting someone to physically intervene are very low, even if you DO attract their attention. If you end up writing a paper on this, send it to me! I want to see what you manage to find out! If I were you I would address: 1. How do people react to "help" or "I don't know you"? 2. How do people react to "fire"? 3. What do people do when you DO get their attention? I also intuitively feel like there could be additional problems if people show up expecting a fire and only see a rape. I don't know what that mental disconnect will make them do.
Not fighters but I knew several really top tier wrestlers that didn’t have that toxic champion mindset. Bruce Buamgarnter 3x Olympic Medalist, Jordan Burroughs 6x world champion, Rouland Garnder , Logan Stiebler. all were pretty classy guys. Yes, a lot guys I met were were pretty toxic but most weren’t. Painting with a broad brush.
I have been around this mentality my whole life, I lived for it as a mma fighter I lived the life of a "fighter" and one thing I learned is a business martial arts school, the common run of the mill dojo does not want anything to do with fighters. We, they, scare away the "paying customer" sort of speaking. They are everything opposite as to what a "money making dojo" wants to attract.
I actually view this from the exact opposite perspective. The reason why we have martial arts, combat sports and if you go back in history things such gladiatorial combat, duels etc. is that these types of traits exist within the biology of us as a species. As we as Homo Sapiens became more civilized there was a need for an "outlet" of all this agresion that had been selected for way back in the evolutionary meta when physical danger and violence was why more common and important. If young men who are on the more extreme end of the spectrum in this regard aren't pushed into an organized activity which harnesses or utilizes those traits. They tend to become a significant disruption to society. (The problem is normally young men, since these traits are most strongly developed during male adolescence and the "mellows" over time.)
There's a grain of truth truth to that, but probably for another reason than you stated. Fighting is most likely in our biology, that's true. But ritualized fighting very likely isn't a byproduct of civilization, since homo sapiens were hunters and gatherers for the majority of their existence and there's evidence of humans wrestling before settling down (cave paintings for example). So ritualized combat probably is not an outlet for aggression. It's more likely two things: 1.a way to settle arguments in the group. Apes for example sometimes fight if they have beef with each other. But (!) this is less likely than the next option, because homo sapiens tend to most effectively end conflicts by showing affection (hugs, kisses, handshakes, etc), which can also be seen done by apes. So option 2: 2. It's fun. Fighting, like dancing, is a social activity and ritualized fighting allows for fun without too bad repercussions. Fighting, somewhat paradoxically, unites us. We enjoy to fight and we enjoy watching fights. It's a rough form of playing with each other and playing with each other plays a huge part in keeping the group happy. This can also be seen in animal groups. Lion cubs wrestle for fun, chimps wrestle for fun, etc. To bring this back to the video: modern ritual combat (and by modern I mean approximately the last 3000-5000 years) is probably way more violent than it used to be, before humans settled down, because the whole idea of "winning" is linked to that. If you're a group of hunters and gatherers, there's no real concept of ownership, since the group shares everything to survive. So the idea of "winning" something (outside of hunting or gathering themselves of course, but these activities aren't pointed against other humans) makes no sense. So the idea of winning a fight is comparatively new, which explains the toxic mindset behind it. The ideas of winning and owning something are inherently toxic, because they mean that you take something from your fellow man. We're social creatures who live under artificial conditions (settled down), but combat sports aren't a way to let out biological inherent aggression. They more likely come from a social background and got morphed into something more violent by our surroundings.
@@jc-kj8yc What differentiates desire for winning a Belt than a desire to win a mate or meat for early humans? belts get you both pride. honor, food and women
@@wisewigga7129 neither of these mattered for homo sapiens before the agricultural revolution. Humans were tribal hunters and gatherers, so food was shared by everyone, honor wasn't invented yet and women were an equal part of the tribe and picked their mates by desire, not necessity.
3:28 Bispng talked about this in JRE during the weigh in against TRT Vitor "On hindsight, looking at him I was like what was I thinking? But at the time, you can't think that way because if you do, you already lost half the fight."
Man I resonate hard with this video, especially the compartmentalization of "empathy" and stuff There are a lot of negatively viewed things in the world, sticking to this topic though; I completely support the learning of control and usage of said traits and mentality as a tool For the most part, many things are needed, even if we don't like it (as an individual or collective) and we must learn how to properly balance and control it's usage like any other skill It also is comforting to again, hear that I'm not the only one that feels this way, maybe not strictly in terms of entitlement, but the whole willingness to go past that line if it presents itself and to consciously CHOOSE to inflict aggression or violence to a problem requiring it (not "I'm already ticked off and this is the straw that broke the camel's back)
You’re too good bro ❤much respect ✊ I can’t believe I had underestimated your video of Krav you’re the man I apologize for that but I’m now your total fan
i always feel as if every fight is easy peasy. I legit was watching a boxing match one time, and the whole time i was like, " yeah I'd whoop this dude". I'm willing to accept that my confidence and ego when it comes to fighting is absurdly high, sure i've lost matches before but i still have this confidence and i will openly attempt to mess with my opponent just to fuk with them.
It kind of goes along with "entitled," but "selfish" is probably an important toxic champion quality too. You have to be incredibly selfish and put your own goals and desires above almost everything and everyone else in your life.
Thank you kindly for saying #3. I used my boxing program to keep boys and young men away from the lesser of two evils: the street life. Boxing channels their aggression and anger. But it creates a more effective weapon. The only true discipline is self discipline. I always tried to be that for them until they could be it for themselves.
Prolly a little late to the topic but I see Jiri Prochazka as a great example of "Taming the beast" when it comes to this mindset. In the past he was a street fighter and would often clash with hooligans and you can still see that part of him in some of his training videos and fights, especially in his eyes imo. But he often goes on trips, meditates and does all kinds of wacky samurai shinenigans to be able to channel that violet and agressive part of him whenever he needs to.
@Armchair Violence, just want to say firstly I love your videos, you give very good insights about martial arts and stuff. I think you’re kind of over looking somethings here though. If you watch really old boxing videos, I mean ones so old they’re filmed in fuzzy black and white, every fighter is polite and humble like GSP. Also , from my experience people in Thailand and in Asia in general often have a more humble attitude towards fighting, even the champions. Perhaps that’s where the whole Hollywood trope of the humble fighter comes from. Anyways what I’m trying to point out is that I think it might have more to do with the current cultural climate rather that the toxic traits being the reason for their success. I think you’d agree with me that social media often breads those toxic traits in our society so it’s more likely someone with those traits to become a champion if a bigger portion of the society has those traits. I do think you could be right that those toxic traits can sometimes help them be successful, but I’d add that non-toxic traits can help you become a champion too in their own way. Anyways I just thought I’d throw that out there. Thanks for all your awesome videos, keep them coming.
I’ve never been humble as a fighter I have more training at home and on the street than In the gym My first year in the gym I was the best fighter at age 32 I hate being humble I’m nice to everyone but I’ve never thought anyone was better than me.. I think it started at a young age by being a competitive basketball player, who wasn’t black I always had to overcome that stereotype to be better even though my skin color was different … I also grew up in California and if you’re a Mexican in California who grew up in the 90s, you had to be tough some thing that many regions of the United States do not share in the Latino community…. being Mexican, in California is like being black in the rest of the United States… as a Mexican growing up in California. You can’t be a coward… let’s be honest for a minute the kids who grow up tough end up being good fighters, because they face more adversity than every other demographic, which makes a well-rounded fighter… I’m not saying you should be a cocky bastard like me, but I always find it funny when people laugh and think that being humble martial artist means anything … As I’ve gotten older, I’ve learned to keep my opinions to myself, but I still know deep down that nobody is going to get in my head and make me feel like they are superior to me … Macho culture just a Mexican thing I guess …
This is another example how combat sports realize tma premise much more than tma itself. You don't need to control youreself when you are underconfident, shy or undecisive; it's when you go through life with raging force when you may need to learn control this power xd
@Hybrid From Hell HEY HOMIE, I MEAN TROLL, WHATEVER I'M PURSUING? I JUST STATED THAT I FIGHT, GENIUS!!! YOU KNOW WHAT, COME TO SALT LAKE CITY, AND LET'S, LOL 😂 🥊(LEGALLY) YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NEVER FOUGHT, YOU PROBABLY WORK A, NEVERMIND🥱, JUST 🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫
i personally, not having any experience in anything else but a college jiujitsu club, have noticed that i always want to fight more than everyone else there and also get tired a lot less than everyone else. i also love getting bruises. i might just be a masochist but its fun. i should find someone else in college who wants to fight as much as i do.
I never wanted to be a fighter, just wasnt a dream or goal of mine I do feel however I had the willingness and dare U say the satisfaction of taking care of my opponent The first time ai realized this was when one time during a sparring session I threw a spinning back kick at my partner to whom I was pretty close. And when I knocked him out, I couldnt help but havr a little grin on my face. I felt it and tried to hide it. I thought it was pretty dickish of me, with thoughts like "Am I a Psychopath? Sociopath?" And everytime it happened in competition, again, I'd have the same smirk. Oh and the sparring partner was my brother😶😶 Poont being even if you dont wanna becomr a professional fighter you can still take pride in your skillset and have the peace of Mind knowing that yiu are capable and willing to defend yourself should the occasion call for it.
I see a lot of guys here giving examples about nice guys in the sport but for every nice dude u give i can day 10 vicious mofos in this. Wandy,Tyson,Chuck,Shogun,Rampage,Matt,BJ,Diaz,Lawler,duran,Velasquez etc i can go on for a long time
While the Tox Champ Mindset is good for motivation to win I've beaten down my fair share (not undefeated, just won in street scraps n such, got my shit rocked a lot too) of people who exude that amount of self confidence. But at the same time they werent tempered, so they just threw themselves at me. Sas stated in the video, the champ mind set is a double edged sword.
When I think about like there is this switch when u fighting, like lets say someone hits u in the head clean and all of a sudden everything u live for is this persons death and all of a sudden u overpower ur enemy as if u just became some op anime character. Worst part is when u see their fear, it literally fuels you. I literally experienced it in 7th grade and ever since then i tell myself 'hit my switch and u die'.🤷♂️
Something that people forget about negativity- even the buddhists recognize that half the world is negative, and that it's supposed to be. Negativity isn't bad, it's destructive, opportunistic, and predatory. All things you need to be if you intend to defeat a person in combat.
Well yes who would've thought that men who do routinely violence are not supposed to be peacefull people lol...good video, men who do violence are never gonna be saints, now that does not mean that honor and chivalry arent important for fighting men though...as the more you get exposed to violence the more you need traits that counterbalance your warrior traits, thats why its recommended to do other activites which bring honor and respect to some extend.
Great video! The only thing I disagree with is the thing about GSP and Wonderboy I honestly feel the opposite between them tbh Wonderboy did say he'll rip the earrings out of you if you challenge him to a street fight 😂 in the cage, he doesn't quite have the finishing mentality that some fighters have. He's even willing to wait for opponents to get back up or help them get back up 😂 Meanwhile GSP pinches his nipples to get ready to punch people in the face and control them on the ground So I think GSP is not an exception at all. He definitely has a switch like most fighters do. Thats why he's called Rush St Pierre And Wonderboy is the one that doesn't have a switch
How do you explain GSP going into the ring scared every time? I don't think this one-size fits all approach is indicative of what it means to be successful in fighting. Being realistic about your opponent's strengths is important to develop a gameplan around said strength, just being confident isn't going to provide consistent results. Cody Garbrandt is the prime example of confidence (in his own striking) being his undoing, he was never the same after he became champ because he couldn't assess his own weaknesses and patch his defensive issues--he thought he'd beat anyone in a stand-up fight and felt confident standing and banging with people who could easily put his lights out and did just that.
Re-upload due to editing mistakes.
My apologies to the people that commented on the other one. Those were some good comments.
Nothing about being insane willing to hurt people and overconfident is inherently a harmful thing irs about how it's used
Next video: How to inflict sociopathy in yourself for the purpose of winning matches
Sign me up cuz desperately need it lmfao
sociopathy isnt inherently bad, can actually be pretty useful in certain situations in life
I need it in fights and life tbh
What makes bad bad
Tag me for it i want it so bad😁
I am guilty of trying to temper a fighter's ego and get him to be more realistic. In this case, I was seeing a drop off in enthusiasm during training though because he felt he was above what we were doing. The razor's edge the coach has to walk is letting the fighter believe he is destined for greatness, but that he still needs work. I don't know that I handled it the best, but we are also trying to wrangle adults that don't actually have to listen.
Managing and reigning in an athlete's attitude is super hard. Any coach that's confident they handled every interaction perfectly is a liar.
I'm sure finding the fine line is hard enough let alone teaching it and walking it. I'm still trying to figure out some stuff about that line and how to disapline it and teach it. However I have yet to even teach anyone the mindset of martial arts nor do I have a school to teach at. I still have a lot to learn and I'm trying to learn while understanding and coming up with my own answers to things and then try them out. It's just not easy and anyone that says it easy is fooling themselves.
I’m not gonna pretend to know anything about coaching since I barely know even a fraction about fighting so far but I think it’s a pretty good sign that you are fully aware of all this and seemingly are trying to improve. I’m hoping the hard work pays off for you and your squad
Icy Mike your capacity for honest assessment, especially of yourself, is one of the things that keeps me coming back to your channel - and soon, your training events! You da man.
I love the delves that you do into aspects of fighting such as physiology and sports psychology. Please keep it coming. Less than a minute into your video I was really hoping you were going to mention some combination of Wonderboy, GSP, and Feodor. Please keep it coming!
“How to be a violent person with sociopathic tendencies and a long history of problems with the law while still being perceived as respectable”
"They're not evil, just qualified."
That right there is one of the things that many many MANY people don't understand about fighters.
There’s people that are qualified, then there’s people like Jon Jones. It’s definitely a fine and thin line.
@@Bladerunner39 Yeah, and sadly they aren't mutually exclusive either.
Ramsey Deweys "Aggression, athleticism and techniques win fights" seems to be pretty spot on ngl
Of course. Dude is awesome
Before that. Mindset wins fights. Mindset is the wind that makes you work like a mtfkr your while Life to get there and be as increíble as some of those guys are.
And Ramsey is great. Love him!
You're really good at explaining things! Every sentence drips with psychological insight, explaining why you need to practice having an Empathy Disorder and Narcissism in order to be a good fighter. I haven't seen anyone else explain it like this. Great job! You helped me understand this sport isn't for me, because someone in need of emotional healing shouldn't be doing things like this.
To be fair, you don't need to have that personality to do the sport casually. Most people doing MMA are perfectly nice! It's just the top competitors that are disproportionately likely to be kind of awful.
It really depends what you want to get Out of the Sport. Technique Training, conditioning and light Sparring dont requiere much aggression. I noticed when i tried Out American Football that i wasnt aggressive enough to takkle on the Same Level AS the Others and i decided to Play a different Position before i changed Sports.
Mike Tyson and Michael Jordan have that classic toxic champion mindset. I remember on some podcast, Tyson said he studied the lives of great conquerors to channel that energy into his fighting.
As one who followed Tyson's career since 1985 I can tell you that only after he stopped training seriously (following the Spinks fight in the summer of 1988) did his bravado become cartoonish. Deep down, he knew the real deal: the macho displays were a cover for insecurity born of a knowledge that he hadn't done his homework in the gym and was not properly prepared to fight.
Didnt he cried before a match that he thought he was gonna loose and ended up winning first round?
Havent check yet but am sure ive heard about that somewhere
So does jon jones
@@WithBACON his real dream was always to breed pidgeons ...
@@Undergamer12 Yep. He used to cry before fights because he was scared. Everybody feels fear before they get into the ring at any level, even a knockout machine like Mike Tyson.
When people talk about GSP being humble and kind they seem to forget how he fights, he’s incredibly confident in his abilities and technically vicious. Man’s nickname is rush for his aggressiveness in the cage. So yes while his polite and soft spoken outside the cage when that door shuts he mauls people like an angry dog. The difference is he can control that side of himself when it’s not needed
If you watch his interviews he seems opposite of what the mentality implies at times but in training he does have that mindset, not in the octagon
Coming from boxing, GSP sounds much like GGG. To be great at anything as bottom-line-based as fighting, or competitive individual sports generally, you need to have a perspective that is firmly grounded in reality. Cus D'Amato: “When two men step into the ring, one and only one deserves to win. When you step into the ring, you gotta know you deserve to win. You gotta know destiny owes you victory cause you trained harder than your opponent. You sparred harder. You ran farther.”
He pinches his nipples before his fights 😂
That kinda helps ig
@@remyhavoc4463 that’s a secret cheat code the elite don’t want you to know about 🤣🤣
As Jordan Peterson said " you need to be a monters and than learn to control it"
Absolutely love that you’re doing a video on sport psychology and mindset. Great work as always.
It's one of my favorite topics! It's just really hard to make a video on lol
@@ArmchairViolence I think you did it right
GSP is an interesting case, from what I've heard in interviews from his coaches and training partners over the years it's that he very much does have that mindset, but he didn't take it with him into the cage, he only let it out during training cause in his mind preparing for a fight was harder than the actual fight, so that's where he needed to push himself the hardest.
I think the cruel/insane part of the personality really only applies to people with relatively privileged backgrounds. For people like francis ngannou or Charles olivera, fighting was a rational choice compared to the alternative, and they also come of as much nicer people than a lot of their western counterparts.
That is a pretty good hypothesis. People from poorer countries might fight because it's a calculated, lucrative decision. But, for most people born in the West, it's a terrible and risky career. So, the only Westerners that would do it just especially love violence lol
I wish we could give UFC fighters personality assessments to try and test that hypothesis.
Lets adjust that, at the lower weights the correlation might be weaker...at the higher weights it really makes sense
Most of the boxers I know from the west are not privileged people at all, they are almost all working class, from poor rough areas. But I guess I would be suspicious of a wealthy guy who wants to get into professional combat sports.
@@ArmchairViolence i think youre wrong actually, bcz if you see the list of all fighters with more than 3 or 4 title wins (the best of the best) youll see that theyre pretty distributed between the toxic mindset, a kind mindset and a normal mindset, so i think that many mentalities (including the toxic one) can be gooD to a fighters carrer.
Toxic champion mindset:
1. Be crazy
2. Be willing to hurt people unsympathetically
3. Be insanely confident; you can do ANYTHING, you ARE the best in the world
4. Be entitled; the world is yours to take
5. Be aware that these traits can and probably will ruin your life, so practice being able to turn off this switch outside the cage (stoicism can help)
I haven't watched it myself, but this reminds me of an anime I've seen making the rounds called "Blue Lock", from what I've heard, it's effectively about an experiment/school/training center to create the most egotistical, championship winning soccer players possible.
A lot of people have been talking about how it really dives into the spirit of what it takes to be "number 1" in a sport, even one as seemingly co-operative as soccer with a massive emphasis on team play.
A few champions off the top of my head that don’t have toxic champion mindset:
Manny Pacquiao
Andre Ward
Leo Santa Cruz
Danny Garcia
Mikey Garcia
Miguel Cotto
Loma
Um excuse me, I'm a Filipino. I knew Pacquiao for his fame on Boxing but what Makes him had a Toxic Champion mindset?
@@trianjezraellumontad7661 In my original comment I said that Manny does NOT have a toxic mindset. You may have misread my comment.
@@Mattstube19 oh yeah, your right
@@trianjezraellumontad7661
Average Filo reading comprehension.
💀💀💀
Khabib Nurmamegadov
Yes! I thought this was taken down for some issue!
It was, but it's back up!
I feel the best way is to have this mindset and everything else you described. But be able to reign it in and almost switch off when outside of the cage/ring and training camp.
I think it's worth noting that that same "switch" you talk about to turn off your empathy can be used for every one of these toxic personality traits. I try my hardest be good a good, kind, respectful, humble dude in my daily life. But the second I step into a competition, that switch from 'nice dude' to 'arrogant monster' gets flipped. The part where you said "it's an injustice that I don't have that belt already" especially rang a chord, as I adapt almost that exact mindset. I feel like a psycho even typing this out, but my opponent is just an obstacle that isn't even worth my time, but had the audacity to stand between me and my medal, and they need to be destroyed for their insolence. And then as soon as the bout is over, I run over, give them a hug, congratulate them on fight well done, and let them know it was an honor to go against them. A lot of the time, I'll catch up with them later for a beer or a dinner.
Which is a long way of saying you don't have to be a dick your whole life, you just have to be a dick for the duration of a fight. Learn to turn it off and on as needed.
"You need a monster inside of you but you need to be in *complete* control of that monster" -- Jordan Peterson
Dude that is me every time I step on the wrestling mat I turn into a different beast on the mat and then after practice pretend like I wasn’t just mercilessly beating on my teammates for two hours
when ur being nice its just a way of saying it was mine in the first place, know ur place fool😂
@@undefined_digit😂😂😂
Basically when Lyoto Machida bows to his unconscious opponents hahaha
Some people say the bowing was low-key more disrespectful than aggressively celebrating because bowing kinda has a vibe of "I respect that you tried to beat me but you just simply don't belong in this cage with me" 😂
@@remyhavoc4463 no. Bowing in martial arts is a sign of respect to your opposition
Police dogs are supposed to attack on command. Off-duty, they are normal, well-adjusted dogs. On-duty, they are vicious killers until their boss calls them back.
If dogs can do it, people can.
Well said I was having this convo with myself a couple days ago…..to be in combat sport you must have delusional level self belief
Because if you don’t it will show in the ring…..All other sports you can hide behind your teammates but in combat sports you can’t and that’s why it’s so beautiful because it reveals your weaknesses and strengths
Agree with pretty much every you have said. All I would add is that humility genuinely seems very very useful for a high level fighter because humility causes one to honestly access their weakness and fix holes in their game. Humility is the ultimate source of information and knowledge is power. I think this helped guys like GSP, Gordan Ryan, Khabib, Volk and others.
As a wise video game character once said "Hesitation is defeat"
That mentality is more necessary and important for climbing the corporate ladder.
More necessary and important?
Really enjoying your content lately. I just started training at a gym in my early 30's. I can say that from watching a few ufc fighters train and my own limited experience (gym is owned by ufc figther and has regional champs in fc's) these toxic mindsets really bleed into practice, and for whatever reason are not stopped by the coaches in my very limited experience. These people that embody this, are allowed to treat others like shit, in front of the coaches, so long as they are the most dominant fighters, whos competing and winning. I don't know what the answer is but it is super discouraging to train in an environment where you are seen as, at best, prey( by people more experienced, younger, and stronger).
That's always a potential problem in gyms run by fighters. There is no one to keep the toxic mindset in line!
Hi, I’m a bantamweight fighter and this video is almost pretty much spot on. In order for me to be better than the other fighters at my gym I have to purposely put myself in a dark place so I can be more angry when it’s time to go… but on the flip side it hurts my personal life a lot. Hopefully one day I can figure out a balance between things but giving up will never be the option.
You are one of the best channels out there..❤
Awesome! We need more educational content like this.
_“I’ve seen too many schools try to iron out or tame any natural athlete that gets too overconfident or entitled”_
Honestly I can see why so many people make this mistake. I once read a Manga where a local Karate Champion was forced on the back foot when matched up against a hungry AF beast of a young athlete! While this is happening his teacher is lamenting the fact that he *“Defanged”* the champion at a young age(for an understandable reason) partly in order to make him a _”Model Martial Artist”_ and should’ve anticipated someone with much bigger *“Fangs”* inevitably showing up.
Back then I thought this was absolute horseshit meant to enable a self-destructive mentality over playing it smart. Now I’m starting to see why there might have been a grain of truth to it. I hate to say it but I think I might be one of those fighters who doesn’t really tug on the metaphorical leash much . . . _if at all._
Sauce? Which manga my brother
Possibly baki
Was the manga tough by any chance?
@@azmainshafiq8341 It's Karate Shoukoushi Kohinata Minoru. warning the manga has some sus shit in it but the fights are good.
Thank god! After watching this video along with your sparring video, I know exactly what to do!!
To be honest, you don't have to be cruel, you just have to not see them as a person. Aggression is good, but to be able to go the distance, it's just about doing the job (strategy, persistence, looking for the opportunities).
This. 100% this. There's another aspect I would attribute to this mindset: Compulsive competitiveness. As you said, this goes beyond combat sports. The best athletes are mostly obsessed with winning, no matter the circumstances. Go to a party with professional athletes and brag that you can drink more beer than them. Fast forward and 30 minutes later at least one of them is probably pass out drunk and flipping you off from the ground.
As for the "counter example". I think even GSP doesn't count. The man is hyper competitive, has absolutely no problem with hurting people in the cage, definitely had that hunger (praying to White on his knees for a tittle shot) and also the hyper confidence. Listen to him talking about BJ Penn, at this point one of the most dangerous guys in the sport. Or consider him stepping in the cage after Matt Hughes, at this point the greatest WW ever and telling him "I'm not impressed with your performance". That's insane!
I defiantly know what you mean about super levels of confidents. I think about all those interviews I see with fighters, who are not just ready, but eager, to take on the current champion. Even they have an amazing record. Whenever I've seen that I've thought something like, due, why are you so eager to get into a cage with this monster. I guess part of me assumed that it was that they loved the challenge. And that might be part of it, but I think your also probably right, a lot of it might just have to do with having these super levels of confidents. Which is not really a bad thing, if they can remember to tamp down on it, when outside the cage.
Confidence and a willingness to hit or I suppose even beat up your opponent is what you need. I don't see it as inherently being toxic
I've explained this to people, and they never understand. Then when they win an altercation, I'm like.. see? Do you feel like a terrible person? Welcome to the club
My 18 year old boxer is exactly what you described. He’s tough aggressive and wants to be world champion. Thanks for this video.
Oh - was there a video? I was too busy admiring that handsome gym. And watching the clock to see how long it takes you to film this lol
But seriously, it's hard to have fighters interact with your normal students and be successful. Here's hoping I can figure that out as I grow
It is really about being competitive and willing to relentlessly work hard towards the singular objective of winning ( whether in a ring or surviving a violent encounter ). I think of the historical Miyamoto Musashi who said that one should be "calm yet determined" when in combat, and as an individual pushes their athletic and technical capabilities towards superior performance they obtain real confidence. I do not believe this to be a toxic mindset, though some can be douchebags as to how they express this confidence towards others.
I'm pretty sure being cocky or a douchebag is in reality fear and trying to hype them selves up out of fear. And mentally psych out a opponent to get a upper edge ofcourse. If a person truely believes they are superior to a opponent they don't need to hype themselves up or any anger or to gain mental dominance. Because they already know the reality.
@@dn8443 I agree, truly confident people tend to let their actions speak for themselves, and everything else is just a psyop for their opponents or revenue generating "fight hype".
@@torstenscott7571 I agree about the revenue part. But if you need to psych out your opponent then you must know on some level he can hurt or beat you. So people that do that don't really want a 100% even playing field or competition so to speak. I'm honestly more scared of a quiet stoic fighter that's complimenting and even joking around or down playing himself with his opponents. Because if he isn't scared then he's 100% a dangerous mofo who knows he can beat the guy at 100% of his ability. There's a reason why trying to psych out your opponent is kind of looked at as a weaker move in fighting and the quiet, respectful "humble" guys that don't do that are more respected by other real fighters.
@@dn8443 you are 100% right on that. I recall watching a Fedor fight more than a decade ago with some friends. As the ref went over the rules, Fedor stoically and quietly looked down instead of at his opponent. Some of my louder and more obnoxious coworkers remarked that Fedor was scared (mind you these guys were not fighters nor knowledgeable as to who Fedor was. Needless to say, I won about $150.00 betting on Fedor to the stunned surprise of my less informed coworkers.
@@torstenscott7571 exactly. I loved Fedor man he one of the best ever to do it. No ego, no emotions, no wasted energy just pure ability. Dude truely didn't give a fuck about loosing, pain, death whatever. Just went in & got the job done. He's a great role model for this & future gen fighters. True warrior & a class act.
Nobody that has ever fought will argue against being confident to win a fight. Turning you empathy off is essential to murder that fuck in the other corner. After being completely terrified and overcomed with dount in my first bjj match, my coach told me that i had to view my opponent as a threat to me and my family, who would rape and murder and would do everything thats possible to do such things. Even to this day i have so much difficulty in focusing during competition because of how hard it is to want to hurt a guy you dont know.
Even in other sports, the lack of this mentality can hurt your chances of success. I've lost plenty of fencing matches because I felt my opponent deserved the win more or something like that. I'm trying to work on that, but I'm conflict-avoidant as hell. I'm also noticing it in boxing and kickboxing spars, where I'm afraid to go too hard while my opponents are trying to jackhammer me.
Even in non combat sports the mentality of winners is similar. Stephen Hendry who won 7 world snooker titles was asked if he ever felt sorry for opponents. His reply was "no, its not my fault if they're not up to the job".
Uncle Chael i think is a shining example. Obviously Conner Mac too
It's about time somebody said it out loud
I think the fighters who are 'nice' (like GSP) are simply good at walking away with the four points you mentioned. Especially the one about keeping the fight where it belongs, before it can ruin your career.
Good watch. Thanks for posting
The people of Ireland have long since ceased being surprised when Conor McGregor does something utterly batshit. I see his name in a headline and my immediate thought is "well this should be good for a laugh" I remember when he punched out that old dude for calling his shit whiskey shit and my Facebook was inundated with memes for weeks. Mostly calling the old guy a hero 🤣
That old guy took the punch like a champ… I honestly was surprised he took so well and it didn’t even look like he flinched very much. I think that is pretty much the high-level mentality at almost any particular field they all tend to be assholes in someway. Fighters are super aggressive, actors/ actresses are super narcissistic…
Hi, if you're interested and got the time, there's another topic that might be interesting.
I took a first aid course yesterday and during the "call for help" section the inevitable happened: "don't yell, help! Yell fire instead!"
This advice has been bugging me for a while, since there seem to be no actual studies on this (at least I can't find any). It's just might be something that gets repeated by instructors and falls into the same category as palm strikes: I know a counterintuitive secret! Behold!
What I hate about this "advice" is that it seems to fundamentally misunderstand human nature. We're social creatures and helping each other is in our freaking DNA. If someone yells for help, people tend to help! But there's the aspect of "bystander apathy" which tends to take effect when there are so many bystanders that nobody feels responsible anymore. But even then people usually at least call the police.
All this aside, I'd love a scientific look at this. Are there actually studies? Is this all just thanks to bad/unethical media coverage of crimes like the Genovese murder? Where else does this advice come from and why does it stick? Is it even helpful after all and am I just wrong? 😅
This is an EXCELLENT question, but I'm not sure if it's within the scope of my channel since it's only tenuously related to violence. But I admire your thought process!
@@ArmchairViolence Thanks :) I thought it might be interesting because it's a dogma in self defense (especially in women's self defense classes), but you're right, it's not about violence itself, but responding to it
@@jc-kj8yc However, I did look it up and your instincts were right! Experiments seem to find that yelling "fire" is one of the consistently worst things you can yell while being attacked.
@@ArmchairViolence 😂😂😂
Thank you. Do you still have the sources? I might want to tackle a paper on this
@@jc-kj8yc I found this:
www.quora.com/If-you-are-being-attacked-is-it-really-better-to-scream-fire-instead-of-help-me?share=1
which had this study on it:
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1559-1816.1980.tb00729.x
Those are the best sources I've seen on it so far. But it's also worth noting that it would seem the odds of getting someone to physically intervene are very low, even if you DO attract their attention.
If you end up writing a paper on this, send it to me! I want to see what you manage to find out!
If I were you I would address:
1. How do people react to "help" or "I don't know you"?
2. How do people react to "fire"?
3. What do people do when you DO get their attention?
I also intuitively feel like there could be additional problems if people show up expecting a fire and only see a rape. I don't know what that mental disconnect will make them do.
I thoughly appreciated this one.
Not fighters but I knew several really top tier wrestlers that didn’t have that toxic champion mindset. Bruce Buamgarnter 3x Olympic Medalist, Jordan Burroughs 6x world champion, Rouland Garnder , Logan Stiebler. all were pretty classy guys. Yes, a lot guys I met were were pretty toxic but most weren’t. Painting with a broad brush.
Keep the content up bro, standing out from the crowd 🤙
I have been around this mentality my whole life, I lived for it as a mma fighter I lived the life of a "fighter" and one thing I learned is a business martial arts school, the common run of the mill dojo does not want anything to do with fighters. We, they, scare away the "paying customer" sort of speaking. They are everything opposite as to what a "money making dojo" wants to attract.
I actually view this from the exact opposite perspective. The reason why we have martial arts, combat sports and if you go back in history things such gladiatorial combat, duels etc. is that these types of traits exist within the biology of us as a species.
As we as Homo Sapiens became more civilized there was a need for an "outlet" of all this agresion that had been selected for way back in the evolutionary meta when physical danger and violence was why more common and important.
If young men who are on the more extreme end of the spectrum in this regard aren't pushed into an organized activity which harnesses or utilizes those traits. They tend to become a significant disruption to society. (The problem is normally young men, since these traits are most strongly developed during male adolescence and the "mellows" over time.)
There's a grain of truth truth to that, but probably for another reason than you stated. Fighting is most likely in our biology, that's true. But ritualized fighting very likely isn't a byproduct of civilization, since homo sapiens were hunters and gatherers for the majority of their existence and there's evidence of humans wrestling before settling down (cave paintings for example). So ritualized combat probably is not an outlet for aggression. It's more likely two things:
1.a way to settle arguments in the group. Apes for example sometimes fight if they have beef with each other. But (!) this is less likely than the next option, because homo sapiens tend to most effectively end conflicts by showing affection (hugs, kisses, handshakes, etc), which can also be seen done by apes. So option 2:
2. It's fun. Fighting, like dancing, is a social activity and ritualized fighting allows for fun without too bad repercussions. Fighting, somewhat paradoxically, unites us. We enjoy to fight and we enjoy watching fights. It's a rough form of playing with each other and playing with each other plays a huge part in keeping the group happy. This can also be seen in animal groups. Lion cubs wrestle for fun, chimps wrestle for fun, etc.
To bring this back to the video: modern ritual combat (and by modern I mean approximately the last 3000-5000 years) is probably way more violent than it used to be, before humans settled down, because the whole idea of "winning" is linked to that. If you're a group of hunters and gatherers, there's no real concept of ownership, since the group shares everything to survive. So the idea of "winning" something (outside of hunting or gathering themselves of course, but these activities aren't pointed against other humans) makes no sense. So the idea of winning a fight is comparatively new, which explains the toxic mindset behind it. The ideas of winning and owning something are inherently toxic, because they mean that you take something from your fellow man.
We're social creatures who live under artificial conditions (settled down), but combat sports aren't a way to let out biological inherent aggression. They more likely come from a social background and got morphed into something more violent by our surroundings.
@@jc-kj8yc What differentiates desire for winning a Belt than a desire to win a mate or meat for early humans? belts get you both pride. honor, food and women
@@wisewigga7129 neither of these mattered for homo sapiens before the agricultural revolution. Humans were tribal hunters and gatherers, so food was shared by everyone, honor wasn't invented yet and women were an equal part of the tribe and picked their mates by desire, not necessity.
hey man, this is brilliant. i would run with this subject until youre the youtubes goto guy for it.
following you from now on
Yours is my new favorite martial arts channel. Your insights are spot on and your delivery is highly entertaining. Well done sir!
Fuck i love this channel. You explain things in a way that's concise and easy to follow
3:28 Bispng talked about this in JRE during the weigh in against TRT Vitor "On hindsight, looking at him I was like what was I thinking? But at the time, you can't think that way because if you do, you already lost half the fight."
Man I resonate hard with this video, especially the compartmentalization of "empathy" and stuff
There are a lot of negatively viewed things in the world, sticking to this topic though; I completely support the learning of control and usage of said traits and mentality as a tool
For the most part, many things are needed, even if we don't like it (as an individual or collective) and we must learn how to properly balance and control it's usage like any other skill
It also is comforting to again, hear that I'm not the only one that feels this way, maybe not strictly in terms of entitlement, but the whole willingness to go past that line if it presents itself and to consciously CHOOSE to inflict aggression or violence to a problem requiring it (not "I'm already ticked off and this is the straw that broke the camel's back)
Ok that was legit good I've subscribed
You’re too good bro ❤much respect ✊ I can’t believe I had underestimated your video of Krav you’re the man I apologize for that but I’m now your total fan
i always feel as if every fight is easy peasy. I legit was watching a boxing match one time, and the whole time i was like, " yeah I'd whoop this dude". I'm willing to accept that my confidence and ego when it comes to fighting is absurdly high, sure i've lost matches before but i still have this confidence and i will openly attempt to mess with my opponent just to fuk with them.
This is a really great talking point. This is something I'm going to keep in mind as I wright out my thoughts on martial arts and how combat works.
another good video, came up as suggested... Good Content again. good job.
This guy is the ego from blue lock even before blue lock
It kind of goes along with "entitled," but "selfish" is probably an important toxic champion quality too. You have to be incredibly selfish and put your own goals and desires above almost everything and everyone else in your life.
Most top level fighters are closer to a Ken, but occasionally we get a Ryu (GSP, Lyoto...)
Then there's M Bisons (Connor McGr....😳)
Thank you kindly for saying #3. I used my boxing program to keep boys and young men away from the lesser of two evils: the street life. Boxing channels their aggression and anger. But it creates a more effective weapon. The only true discipline is self discipline. I always tried to be that for them until they could be it for themselves.
Prolly a little late to the topic but I see Jiri Prochazka as a great example of "Taming the beast" when it comes to this mindset. In the past he was a street fighter and would often clash with hooligans and you can still see that part of him in some of his training videos and fights, especially in his eyes imo. But he often goes on trips, meditates and does all kinds of wacky samurai shinenigans to be able to channel that violet and agressive part of him whenever he needs to.
Well said my man
Great video! thanks!
I agreed with his point on the school system trying to tame the kids.
You forgot the key factor; the genetic giftedness in their physicality to back up that sort of mindset in order to make it all work.
@Armchair Violence, just want to say firstly I love your videos, you give very good insights about martial arts and stuff. I think you’re kind of over looking somethings here though. If you watch really old boxing videos, I mean ones so old they’re filmed in fuzzy black and white, every fighter is polite and humble like GSP. Also , from my experience people in Thailand and in Asia in general often have a more humble attitude towards fighting, even the champions. Perhaps that’s where the whole Hollywood trope of the humble fighter comes from. Anyways what I’m trying to point out is that I think it might have more to do with the current cultural climate rather that the toxic traits being the reason for their success. I think you’d agree with me that social media often breads those toxic traits in our society so it’s more likely someone with those traits to become a champion if a bigger portion of the society has those traits. I do think you could be right that those toxic traits can sometimes help them be successful, but I’d add that non-toxic traits can help you become a champion too in their own way.
Anyways I just thought I’d throw that out there. Thanks for all your awesome videos, keep them coming.
u are so right
I’ve never been humble as a fighter
I have more training at home and on the street than In the gym
My first year in the gym I was the best fighter at age 32
I hate being humble
I’m nice to everyone but I’ve never thought anyone was better than me..
I think it started at a young age by being a competitive basketball player, who wasn’t black I always had to overcome that stereotype to be better even though my skin color was different …
I also grew up in California and if you’re a Mexican in California who grew up in the 90s, you had to be tough some thing that many regions of the United States do not share in the Latino community…. being Mexican, in California is like being black in the rest of the United States… as a Mexican growing up in California. You can’t be a coward… let’s be honest for a minute the kids who grow up tough end up being good fighters, because they face more adversity than every other demographic, which makes a well-rounded fighter…
I’m not saying you should be a cocky bastard like me, but I always find it funny when people laugh and think that being humble martial artist means anything …
As I’ve gotten older, I’ve learned to keep my opinions to myself, but I still know deep down that nobody is going to get in my head and make me feel like they are superior to me …
Macho culture just a Mexican thing I guess …
This is another example how combat sports realize tma premise much more than tma itself. You don't need to control youreself when you are underconfident, shy or undecisive; it's when you go through life with raging force when you may need to learn control this power xd
I agree 💯 percent !
Bro, such a dope video. You’re f entertaining
7:09 yes save that mentality for fighting self defense etc. Don't use violent thought patterns for peaceful things
This video is a reflection of myself,
And it's gotten me in trouble outside of the cage,
I'm also guilty of being kicked off of fight teams due 2 it..
@Hybrid From Hell HEY HOMIE, I MEAN TROLL,
WHATEVER I'M PURSUING?
I JUST STATED THAT I FIGHT, GENIUS!!!
YOU KNOW WHAT, COME TO SALT LAKE CITY, AND LET'S, LOL 😂 🥊(LEGALLY)
YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NEVER FOUGHT, YOU PROBABLY WORK A, NEVERMIND🥱,
JUST 🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫
i personally, not having any experience in anything else but a college jiujitsu club, have noticed that i always want to fight more than everyone else there and also get tired a lot less than everyone else. i also love getting bruises. i might just be a masochist but its fun. i should find someone else in college who wants to fight as much as i do.
Tyson and Cus always come to mind...
I never wanted to be a fighter, just wasnt a dream or goal of mine
I do feel however I had the willingness and dare U say the satisfaction of taking care of my opponent
The first time ai realized this was when one time during a sparring session I threw a spinning back kick at my partner to whom I was pretty close. And when I knocked him out, I couldnt help but havr a little grin on my face. I felt it and tried to hide it. I thought it was pretty dickish of me, with thoughts like "Am I a Psychopath? Sociopath?" And everytime it happened in competition, again, I'd have the same smirk. Oh and the sparring partner was my brother😶😶
Poont being even if you dont wanna becomr a professional fighter you can still take pride in your skillset and have the peace of Mind knowing that yiu are capable and willing to defend yourself should the occasion call for it.
Good stuff
Beautiful ❤
I see a lot of guys here giving examples about nice guys in the sport but for every nice dude u give i can day 10 vicious mofos in this.
Wandy,Tyson,Chuck,Shogun,Rampage,Matt,BJ,Diaz,Lawler,duran,Velasquez etc i can go on for a long time
Ay is this is why alter egos exist fo switch these on whenever you step in the ring
100% fact.
While the Tox Champ Mindset is good for motivation to win I've beaten down my fair share (not undefeated, just won in street scraps n such, got my shit rocked a lot too) of people who exude that amount of self confidence. But at the same time they werent tempered, so they just threw themselves at me.
Sas stated in the video, the champ mind set is a double edged sword.
So…what your saying is become a sociopath… I’m in!
When I think about like there is this switch when u fighting, like lets say someone hits u in the head clean and all of a sudden everything u live for is this persons death and all of a sudden u overpower ur enemy as if u just became some op anime character. Worst part is when u see their fear, it literally fuels you.
I literally experienced it in 7th grade and ever since then i tell myself 'hit my switch and u die'.🤷♂️
This mindset def applies to Nyjah Huston
So this is why my wrestling career never amounted to much. Good to know.
Something that people forget about negativity- even the buddhists recognize that half the world is negative, and that it's supposed to be. Negativity isn't bad, it's destructive, opportunistic, and predatory. All things you need to be if you intend to defeat a person in combat.
Whenever I’m in a match my only thoughts are either “destroy” or “kill” constantly running through my mind
I wasnt broken this whole time
Well yes who would've thought that men who do routinely violence are not supposed to be peacefull people lol...good video, men who do violence are never gonna be saints, now that does not mean that honor and chivalry arent important for fighting men though...as the more you get exposed to violence the more you need traits that counterbalance your warrior traits, thats why its recommended to do other activites which bring honor and respect to some extend.
Mirco CroCop seems to be a humble champion too
Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi are the perfect example
Great video!
The only thing I disagree with is the thing about GSP and Wonderboy
I honestly feel the opposite between them tbh
Wonderboy did say he'll rip the earrings out of you if you challenge him to a street fight 😂
in the cage, he doesn't quite have the finishing mentality that some fighters have.
He's even willing to wait for opponents to get back up or help them get back up 😂
Meanwhile GSP pinches his nipples to get ready to punch people in the face and control them on the ground
So I think GSP is not an exception at all. He definitely has a switch like most fighters do. Thats why he's called Rush St Pierre
And Wonderboy is the one that doesn't have a switch
How do you explain GSP going into the ring scared every time? I don't think this one-size fits all approach is indicative of what it means to be successful in fighting. Being realistic about your opponent's strengths is important to develop a gameplan around said strength, just being confident isn't going to provide consistent results. Cody Garbrandt is the prime example of confidence (in his own striking) being his undoing, he was never the same after he became champ because he couldn't assess his own weaknesses and patch his defensive issues--he thought he'd beat anyone in a stand-up fight and felt confident standing and banging with people who could easily put his lights out and did just that.
Ôh boy, this is a good one!
Its somewhere around the type casting for military and cartels... So that's quite telling🤣
Cobra Kai Never Dies.