Im considering buying the headband form rezon halos. They clam it protecs the brain form the rotation force. Do you think this product could be used in combat sports training?
@@ludvigmelgaard2934 I honestly have no idea why that product is any different than a small pad. However, even if it does work as intended, it is designed to protect the areas that are often accidentally hit in things like soccer and rugby. The locations that you get hit in combat sports are often a bit different, and the Halo really doesn't protect those areas.
As somebody who a background in material sciences, let me tell you : you display by far the best understanding of biomechanics/physics of anyone I'm aware of in "the combat sports bubble". Not just in this video but consistently. Kudos, and keep it up!
Best part about bare knuckle mma vs boxing, is in mma my only option isn't to literally punch you in the face... which is every objection to bare knuckle
Bare knuckle fighting looks more brutal due to the damage to the skin, but definitely makes you think about how you want to land a punch and how hard to throw it
It is interesting because if you look at Kudo, which is a proto MMA rules set popular in Japan and Russia, you can see they implemented much of your suggestions: it has a very large helmet which does shift and move, and is also bareknuckle (small wraps are now allowed but previously not even wraps were allowed). I would also add that although you are absolutely correct in that the majority of damage is in training, weight cutting is an issue that also exacerbates neurological trauma.
Kudo is great. Its basically judo+kyokushin+combatsambo. The gis make it interesting, there are headbutts and most of the time the rules and protection encourages fighters to be more active and aggressive.
@@mostafasallem8271 For the newest "Super Safe" version that I have, the plastic shield has been designed with some give when you hit it and also the inner padding on the head is designed differently vs. traditional boxing headgear so it does shift a bit, particularly on straights and uppercuts
@@ReneADreifuss where can you buy kudo helmets? i cant find any kudo schools in my country yet would be interested in incorporating it to my kyokushin training
@@wasabi5338 I got some of mine in Japan. But you can also join Amazon Japan and have them shipped to your country. I speak and read Japanese but I think there is an option for an English language search. If you have trouble DM me
I continue to admire and follow this channel because of the math, science, realism, and social substance you bring to martial arts & combat sports realms. Keep it up mate, I'm rooting for you - and for combat sports athletes worldwide.
This would greatly reduce brain injury, but opens practitioners to a higher risk of bloodborn pathogens and infections. There's also the Diaz Bros factor - some good fighters would keep losing due to early stoppages as their accumulated scar tissue would make cuts more likely with even a few light strikes. Mangled wrists and hands also means lost training time. I'm guessing this would all lead to a more grappling-based sport with well-calculated punches, more kicks and body shots, which isn't a bad thing. And you could still use some protective gear in training, and focus on lighter sparing (also great for the brain). We'd need to come up with a few more tweeks, but it could be possible :)
Adding to that. An interesting fact. In the early 1900s, boxing was bareknuckles and that's why they have that traditional guard with the arms at chest height. It was unwise to punch the other guy in the face if you could break your hand, so they usually went more for body shots.
They could make a glove with thin padding over the knuckles with no wrist support. That way you could potentially reduce the "sharpness" of the knuckles without offering structural support that allows you to drop bombs.
i think the early boxing gloves were like that, i saw boxers pictures from the 20s and 30s i think and they had gloves like mittens where I'm sure there is barely any padding and they could actually open their hand with the glove
This solution applies very well to boxing, but I think that regarding MMA it will make the fighters focuse more on elbows, knees and kicks, which allow them to hit harder without fucking them up. Although, as you said the accumulation of punches is worse than a one-hit KO, studies show that a concussion increases remarkably the probability of suffering parkinsonism. This problem doesn't have an easy solution, but in any case banning gloves and wraps is certainly a way to start; although it really is the solution in the case of boxing, in the era of boxing when it truly was bare-knuckle, some boxers competed daily, you see they tended to hit the belly area since it was safer than risking an injury because of a punch to the other boxer's face.
I've found that boxing gyms tend to go quite heavy on the sparring, to where it's virtually like a short fight. Some kick-boxing clubs do it too, and there's always the odd guy who doesn't understand control and tries to take your head off. I feel like proper sparring ettiquette and a 85% light to 15% heavier sparring ratio would help prevent many brain injuries, even with gloves. It'd be fun to see some very light sparring with bare knucles though.
I'm sure there's also some work that could be done in rulesets and reffing. Boxing CTE is also very high because of the ridiculous 10 count. No matter how much brain trauma jars and rocks the fighter, if he can shake it off and get back up in 10 seconds, the fight goes on. This can happen multiple times during a fight. In MMA, there is no 10 count. As soon as the fighter can no longer defend himself, the ref stops the fight. I strongly believe boxing should abandon the 10 count and go with the MMA standard. I'm not entirely sure how you would modify the ruleset in MMA that could reduce CTE while still keeping things fundamentally similar, but that avenue might still be open.
I don't know cause at the very least the 10 count is definitive, in MMA a poor refree can allow significant trauma from ground and pound. Plus a knockdown could be due to reasons beyond brain trauma such as simple loss of balance or exhaustion like how Muhammad Ali beat George Foreman.
Great video! Everything was pretty spot on. Removing gloves definitely would seem to be the best option rule wise. I still think that most of the damage fighters receive is probably from hard sparring with large gloves. Only thing that I would correct as a neurology student is that the brain does in fact heal itself, just not nearly as well as superficial damage to the face or joint/ligaments would. Also, even if the brain does heal itself structurally, brain diseases are much more likely to happen if left untreated for years because of the growth of certain proteins within the brain that inhibit healthy functioning. This is one reason for degenerative diseases like dementia. Just like any internal organ, without the proper medical interventions, disease is much more likely. There are ways to reduce the symptoms of concussions that already exist and hyperbaric oxygen therapy seems to be a possible treatment that is effective long term. The only issue now is making sure career fighters get healthcare and access to these treatments.
I agree and I prefer it like old school Pancrase. Sadly people don't care about the fighter's health even when they are fans. People want to be entertained and early stoppage because of cuts will not make the sport very engaging. This is why Pancrase got gloves around the late 90's and early 00's. Good video though!
You may not be a math person, but you clearly are an exceptionally intelligent one. After watching several of your videos, there isn’t the slightest doubt about that. I wanted to mention something related to your bad martial artist video, but thought you’d be much more likely to read it in a recent one. I agree with you about Tai Chi. For me, it is literally moving meditation. However, not all Tai Chi is created equal. According to one of my teachers (there have been a few since I started training at 9), the original form of Tai Chi, Chen style originated in a village that incorporated it into their practice of other techniques (lumped together as Kung Fu, which really just translates as skills acquired and developed over time), which helped them move with more fluidity, and increased their proficiency in the internal martial arts. A workman watched them practicing, and taking what he saw and remembered, created Yang style, which is what most people think of when talking about Tai Chi. There is also Wu style, which was created for the elderly and injured, who couldn’t move enough for Yang style, much less Chen style, which is actually very physically demanding. What most people don’t realize is that every one of those slow movements is actually based on combat techniques. This is most obvious when you see a skilled Chen style practitioner in motion. I feel, as you clearly do, that no single style is the end all, be all martial art. At least, not until they program an AI with every known technique, form of practice, mental and physical development techniques, and cross reference them with anatomy, physics, biology, and every other related area of knowledge, and tell it to unify it all. That’s an art I would like to learn. Until that happens, I think our approach is the best we can hope for. I hope this information is useful the next time someone tries to tell you how Tai Chi, especially if it’s not Chen style, is enough. If there are any typos or grammatical errors, I apologize. These letters are really small on the screen of my iPhone, and I am not going to go back and proofread this like I would an official document or academic paper. I really enjoy your videos, and will probably comment again in the future. By the way, I’m glad you are with Kayla. Like I said, it’s obvious that you are a smart man. See you in the next video.
There is a Bare Knuckled Fighting Championship. Overseas, Lethwei and Muay Thai have their bare-knuckled fights. And I cannot remember who is starting it (Dana White?), but there is also a bare-knuckled boxing starting this year. Now, I have more respect for those events LOL
Some decent points here but some thoughts: - eye injury risk (sometimes permanent blindness) is far greater without gloves, if only due to deliberate eye pokes, like in MMA. CTE isn't the only debilitating injury of the head. - standing 10 count in boxing contributes heavily to CTE by heaping on damage when the brain is already compromised. Changing this rule could reduce damage. - slightly greater disease transmission without gloves since bony fists cut open on bony skull bones more than soft fleshy bellies
Preface to this long comment: I love your videos, they make me think a lot, and I like to put my thoughts in the comments. I agree with everything you said and wanted to put some additional thoughts playing devil's advocate. I think it's worth a try but I'm not sure those studies reflect that it would work. As you said there are many variables that lead to MMA having less concussions than boxing. Submissions is a big factor as well as MMA TKOs being different than boxing TKOs. In theory boxers can be knocked down twice per round with a long 8 count after each and can go on to fight 10 or more rounds. It takes 3 knockdowns in a round for a ref to be required to call a TKO in boxing. Granted, they would likely call it earlier. Most MMA fighters get knocked down and finished by TKO due to not being able to intelligently defend themselves during the time a boxer would be recuperating during an 8 count. (I'm stealing all this from Michael Bisping). Also, something not stolen from Bisping, a MMA fighter could, in theory, trap someone in a crucifix, and hit them repeatedly, and if the other fighter is clearly unable to escape the ref might call the fight even if the punches are not hard enough to deliver significant brain damage. So less concussions in MMA has several factors aside from gloves. Bare knuckle boxing having less KOs can be several things depending on the promotion they took the data from. In BKFC rounds are shorter and the fights are less rounds. Also, clinching rules are less strict in BKFC. BKFC fighters, while badasses, are generally not as powerful of punchers with or without gloves compared to pure amateur and especially pro boxers. When I watch those fights I doesn't to me seem that anyone is pulling punches because they are worried about their hands, though there are a few more fights stopped due to cuts. I think this theory makes sense for all the reasons you listed in the video, but the downsides of no gloves are ignored and a big assumption is that fighters with no gloves or handwraps will pull their punches. I'm skeptical that pro or even amateur fighters would punch with any less force to protect their hands. I think there is a decent possibility that no gloves would lead to slightly less concussions but way more broken hands and facial scarring. Some considerations for no gloves: Cuts ending fights more often without gloves could work, but should we not allow cutmen to stop bleeding of cuts between rounds to facilitate this? Would the buildup of scar tissue make fighters bleed more easily to the point that they are losing fights because their scar tissue opens up early like Nate Diaz, forcing an early retirement? Are we going to see so many more hand injuries because fighters refuse to pull their punches that fighters cannot fight as often and cannot make a living being a professional fighter? Thus diluting the quality of the sport? Would bruising from no gloves really end more fights? Wouldn't it require one fighter having an eye swelled shut? Is that outcome significantly more likely without gloves? TLDR: it might work, but it might not. And if it doesn't fighters might have shorter careers due to superficial facial damage or hand injuries, and less fights because of either. But early retirement due to scar tissue and hand injuries ultimately might be better for fighters than brain damage.
Your comments are remarkable.Without the gloves,more plastic surgery as well as permanent damage to the face area is expected.Simply ban the handwraps in the MMA gloves to reduce CTE.
Does bare knuckle boxing really have less ko rate? That's hard to believe because every time I watch bkb I feel like they get KO's fairly easy compared to boxing where you can see 12 round fights with hard shots and not a single KO.
Also, with all this logic of no protection to stop brain damage, should we also ban helmets in motorcycles too? This topic doesn't make much sense for me because it's proven that in a motorcycle accident the helmet can save you from brain injuries but in fighting it's actually worse???
I don't know if 4 oz mma gloves and motorcycle helmets are a good comparison. The theory is gloves let you hit harder, not that less protection equals less damage. I'm not sure I believe it either. It's based on most people can hit a heavy bag harder with gloves than without and keep their hands from breaking. @@user-ki4xw2rb8q
Kyokushins no head punch rule is, admitedly, awful for self defense. But as a pure ritual combat and competition? Man i cant think of a better way to avoid concussions than takin hand head strikes away!
I think an easy evidence to cumulative damage is look at every "war" x fighter has been in one of the two fighters that take a ton of head shots in that fight have something taken from them. There never quite the same. Meanwhile I've seen guys get knocked out lose their next and then win win again and hop back on a winning streak cause they took some time between those fights to heal. Knock outs are bad for the brain for sure but not nearly as bad as getting repetitively hit 150 times in 15 or 25 minutes for sure
Great information. Being that gloves and headgear are padded it's not obvious that more damage to the brain would result, but what you said makes profound sense. Forty-five years ago I used to box in a gym with headgear and wondered why I still got headaches. After experiencing a concussion I stopped altogether.
@headhunter6734 the glove argument is moot if you still have hand wraps. As wrist support allows you to take powerful shots. You can test this yourself on a bag.
You're 100 percent correct! Gloves and sparring helmets can protect against some very serious things but not concussions. You see a lot more facial scars, broken jaws and broken hands, but a lot fewer concussions.
To reply to some older videos: knuckle push ups are a good way to strengthen the knuckles, and make punching hurt less. Rather than hit hard with soft, etc. I prefer… Hit soft with hard. Hit hard with harder. To make it easier on you to use shins, forearms, or other areas, I used a wakizashi bokken, and starting gently then gradually getting more forceful, I would hit those areas. Again, not hard enough to cause real damage. After a while, it deadened the nerves, making it easier to hit with those areas, while not weakening the bones. When fighting multiple opponents, the only strategy that works, besides moving very quickly, is to limit how many of them can strike you at once. Move around in such a way as to make them get in each other’s way. At my first school we started sparring multiple opponents early on, and by black belt, we would be sparring against five at once. That’s why I feel as I do about the subject, because it worked, and was the only thing that did, in my experience. Finally, you are absolutely right about weight training. I use a Total Gym with the weight bar attachment, and it has greatly increased my power and my speed. As you said, it’s all about the way you train. Apologies if there are typos or other errors. These letters are tiny, and I’m not going to proofread everything. Anyway, thanks for making these videos, and doing the in depth scientific research to back up your statements. Also, I too am a massive Batman fan, and I love the shirts. See you in the next video.
i had little wtf moment because for some reason i read the title as "How to stop consciousness" :) 100% agree, i've always said that solution is to remove either gloves or strikes to the head (which imho is kinda stupid)
Im alll for removing the wraps in bare knuckle boxing. I suspect the increased stability the wrappings give to the wrists removes some sorts of subconsous strife to protect the hands when striking . This inhibiton can be overcome trough willpower iin the odd punch or two, but as soon as the the fighting gets just slightly technucally demanding you revert back o imstinctually trying to minisse the risk breaking your hands. BKB wirhout the wraps would also make the fight lean more towards light precision striking. A ligjt but very fast fist to the nose can be an instant win in some cases, and with minimal effect on brain. I suggest also banning all kinds of assistance between rounds to stop a fighters bleeding. If a brow bleeds to much if untended for the fighter to continue, count that as losing the match. Might be a PR-problem with all the blood but neurolgical health shoulfd be more important. Besides, a good bleeding now and then is healthy for most oeople.
I haven't had a single concussion when sitting on my couch. Although I had a close call once, when I ran too fast to the door to get my pizza delivery.
Another point that you didnt really brought up is that without gloves, MMA fighters would be incentivised to use more punches to the body and submissions to protect their hands.
And that's not even mentioning the *added* benefit: we'd either *finally* shut up palm strike nerds, or force them to provide *actually substantial evidence* for their claims! Imagine it: a world where the benefits of different strikes are discussed *beyond* pseudo-Taoist weeaboo mantras about hard and soft...
Really reminds me of how adding restrictor plates to NASCAR increased the amount of crashes… sometimes protective limitations make the situation worse.
This is one of the reasons i started wacthing bkfc or bk8. It changed the way I view boxing. I would rather watch good compations, blocks and slip rather than a knockout. In my view thats more of the sweet science.
Absolutely. I said this when playing Hockey. The more equipment the game added, the harder and more reckless the hits became. I noticed a psychology to the players. The bruisers weren’t so aggressive when we played on a frozen pond with no gear, because they felt vulnerable to payback after a dirty hit. There was more respect on the ice with less gear, and a more elegant game as a result. Fighting has a different mindset where you want to hurt your opponent, but you also want to minimize damage taken. Lose the gloves and go bare knuckle, eventually the style will change into something more technical.
So we have scientific data proving what has to be done YESTERDAY to prevent death and tragedy and nobody's listening? Gee, what an anomaly! Why is the apparition of Greta Thunberg in the corner of my room starting to shoot laser beams from her eyes?!
In this case, force is calculated the following way. Force = (momentum of your hand when it hits the other guy's head)/(the time your hand remains in contact with the other guy's head after the hit)
aka the energy transferred but we should not forget that the neck muscles of the person can actually stabilize the head more by, well, absorbing or redirecting the kinetic energy to body. so basically doing stuff that would increase the stability of the head for example the neck muscles or turning with the punches to lower the energy transferred will result in lower brain damage
Just from the perspective of someone who fights because they want to actually be good at martial arts, I agree. Gloves+wraps are literally a weapon, they’re a force multiplier because they add mass (even if not substantial) but more importantly they reinforce the wrist so you can throw way harder way more often. I’d rather see a much more pure form of competition. I don’t think boxing is going to be all it’s cracked up to be once you go bare knuckle. I think other martial arts like Muay Thai, Karate, Taekwondo would become way more important and also submission grappling would be even more effective than it is now. I think boxing is arbitrarily propped up by the attachment of a literal weapon on people’s fists. It’s fucking dumb. So I agree, let’s bring MMA back to what it was supposed to be.
You noticed! I moved the camera back and zoomed in so that I could use a teleprompter. The image quality should be pretty much the same, but the perspective has changed, since I'm at a different amount of zoom. I think I want to move the lights just a tad bit closer, but I'm glad it looks good so far!
This is quite amusing given the history of the UFC. The idea of finding out which empty hand martial art or sports combat was the best is now reduced to 'how do we reduce the harm to the fools who want to get into it?' So we have gone from dropping back to minimal rules for the first few UFCs to wanting to make it all safe again. Which oddly enough, we already knew all about from the many decades of medical types campaigning to ban boxing. Just like we already knew that grapplers beat boxers from them having had competitions long before the UFC was thought of. And at the end of all the modern UFC/MMA thing we come back to everyone having learned nothing. So I will lay out what everyone should have learned from the C20th. Fighting is for mugs. The promoter and everyone else make all the money and you end up punchy.
Good video. I remember watching a RUclips video about 19th century bare knuckle boxers who fought under the London Prize Ring rules which stated that the boxers had more fights, longer careers, and pretty much still had all their faculties in tact after retirement. This may have been because they didn't punch as hard to the head like they would with gloves because otherwise they'd break their hands and preferred to punch to the body. I don't know how true that statement is but it makes sense when you think about it.
Yes, removing the gloves would help. Something that would help more, in my opinion would be to ban weight cutting. Redusing your weight by dehydrating yourself is the dumbest thing you could do. Take away the fluid protecting the brain=brain damage.
My only concern is that bare knuckle fighting might lead to blood from one fighter entering the system of the other. If one fighter has a blood born disease it could be a problem, aside from that edge case i can't think of an argument against this.
Very nice and complete argument. I say this as a common person as I almost never touched a fighting golve, but I can say that in the very very verysmall time i tried a martial art, they already told me to be carefull due to glove funghy, so there's also the igene problem with gloves.
Intelligent fighters will throw softer punches and utilize more grappling techniques, but the vast majority of them will still try to throw with reckless abandon. The gloves are not for safety, they are weapons.
I have heard about this. Gloves were introduced to protect the hands, not the head which, as he said, allows harder punching. Great presentation as usual. Now I wonder what could be done to reduce concussions in hockey and football. Many children have brain damage from these sports by the time they finish high school. Thanks for your work. Cheers!
i have an idea for american football thou Hardcore Football players are not gonna like it. If they Made tackling like rugby where it involves wrap tackling from the waist down it will make a huugeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee difference. But like everything there are cons, cons are you would probably suffer more leg injuries like Sprains, torn acl and MCL but you would still be alive. Another Con is People like the brutality of hits inFootball and having a low impact form of tackle will severely reduce those Brutal moments the sport is known for and a lot will complain about just like people complained about the officiating protecting QBS and receivers. So at this point there will be a dillema, sacrifice entertainment for health and wellness or sacrifice health for Pure carnage entertainment. Most fans will choose the 2nd option.
if i get any more concussions im going to get Parkinson's,, ive had my dome rocked so many times and 98% of them was with bare fists. from my experience the only way to stop concussions is to just not get hit in the head.
History of boxing also shows that the introduction of padded equipment increased concussions to be more likely. Another thing would be to make boxers fight 10 times a day, so messing up their fist makes them lose matches effectively.
the thing is, superficial tissue damage hurts more in the moment. Getting punched by someone wearing gloves dazes you, but the pain isn't instant. You might have a horrible headache over the next few days, but during the fight you're still pretty solid. Getting punched bare knuckle... ouch. Blood all over your face, in your mouth, in your eyes, swelling... it hurts a lot more and scares the spectators.
I believe the reason it happens is because heads are very hard. People got their fists damaged from head-shots in bare-knuckle boxing, so body-shots became the norm. As such, fights lasted extremely long in boxing, and people found them boring. People like concussion-giving-punches, because they're fast, and impactful and they make the fight more dramatic.
How true and sad... Just one thing, as far as I've red somewhere, gloves were invented to protect hands, not heads. And, in those old bare nuckle days matches went too long, boxers did not dare to punch so hard from fear to break their hands, fingers. Now we see shorter matches, bigger punches, bigger brain damages. - Another thing, as I remember it was Rodney King of Crazy Monkey Defense, who years ago posted about "losing his brain" (early dementia). As a bouncer in Johannesburg (!) he really got too many head shots and although his "crazy" underarm defense method saves a lot of brains now (including mine), it was too late for him. Really sad.
I am absolutely with you, better have some bruises than brain damaged forever. True what you said, that with gloves on it only looks safer, but no one cares about the fighters at the end of their career. You got my subsciption mate.
What if we just change the rules to ban strikes to the head? MMA used to allow groin shots, and that was banned no problem. This would also make those brutal ground and pounds much more tolerable
Miss the old MMA. It is the same thing that happened to boxing, because it is more entertaining for the average viewer to see impactful hits than to understand what is going on. Before there were small paddings or none at all with full on clinch, but people wanted to see more hitting less "hugging". Knockouts were considerate the highlight and with introduction of rounds you got to see more for you bucks. The same Business logic applied to MMA, less rolling on the ground(refere restarts the fight in standing position), paddings so you can do big hits and more rounds so you can have more chances for it.
Yeah I mean that’s always kinda been my understanding. I always thought the only reason we wore gloves was to protect our hands not the other guys face
1) no more weight cuts. That thing kills more people than strikes. You fight in your natural wight. 2) no striking or kicking on the ground (only wrestling/grappling allowed). You can't go and throw a punch over a knocked out opponent. 3) gloves are important to use. Because is either that or having cuts all over your face. Watch bear knuckle boxing if you don't believe me. 4) mma gloves don't offer too much padding anyways. You can feel the knuckles. That doesn't happen with boxing gloves. 5) regular and sane people don't want to watch blood but KO's
well.. Bare fists crack bones.. I knew people, who were able to brake a skull, when fought with bare fists. It is far beyond of sport and there should be no chance, to have it even possible in competitive disciplines. Also, for a sport and training, gloves work to protect the fists and fingers. People learn for years, how to target an keep their fist. Not everyone becomes a pro. If we stop using gloves and bandages, there will be even more beginners, injured. Probably, I have missed it in your video, who exactly, do you recommend, to stop using gloves? Still, I like, that you present and refer researches. It is clearly another view to martial disciplines. Please, keep doing, what you do
I think a certain type of head gear would actually help with concussions in combat sports, but it is not a "rotating helmet". A better gear would be a neck brace out of non Newtonian material that's flexible most of the time but stiffens up on a head impact to make more energy go into the torso. Add a kudo style face mask to protect fragile face bones from potential extra damage and that would solve most head trauma problems in combat sports.
I personally think we should advocate for removing wraps rather than gloves as this would mean fighters could not wing as many hard punches due to fear of hand injuries. While avoiding the bad aesthetics caused by the sport being 'bare knuckle'.
So if i wanna spar without brain injury should i try sparring with bare knuckles or wraps and i tought about that if i do it like this i might use headgear to reduce cuts
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Great video.
Im considering buying the headband form rezon halos. They clam it protecs the brain form the rotation force. Do you think this product could be used in combat sports training?
@@ludvigmelgaard2934 I honestly have no idea why that product is any different than a small pad.
However, even if it does work as intended, it is designed to protect the areas that are often accidentally hit in things like soccer and rugby. The locations that you get hit in combat sports are often a bit different, and the Halo really doesn't protect those areas.
I was considering what about kudo helmets and/or gloves.
As somebody who a background in material sciences, let me tell you : you display by far the best understanding of biomechanics/physics of anyone I'm aware of in "the combat sports bubble". Not just in this video but consistently. Kudos, and keep it up!
It is absolutely fair to have our hands in more danger than the other guy's brain.
Especially as that's symmetrical. Your brain also is safer in that scenario.
Yep, broken hands can heal but broken brains cant
Brain damage is cumulative, broken hands can ruin your life in an instant.
Plus there’s no way to go light when your hands are bare knuckle
This is why I was very happy to see bare knuckle leagues get approved in the US.
Best part about bare knuckle mma vs boxing, is in mma my only option isn't to literally punch you in the face...
which is every objection to bare knuckle
Bare knuckle fighting looks more brutal due to the damage to the skin, but definitely makes you think about how you want to land a punch and how hard to throw it
It is interesting because if you look at Kudo, which is a proto MMA rules set popular in Japan and Russia, you can see they implemented much of your suggestions: it has a very large helmet which does shift and move, and is also bareknuckle (small wraps are now allowed but previously not even wraps were allowed). I would also add that although you are absolutely correct in that the majority of damage is in training, weight cutting is an issue that also exacerbates neurological trauma.
Kudo is great. Its basically judo+kyokushin+combatsambo. The gis make it interesting, there are headbutts and most of the time the rules and protection encourages fighters to be more active and aggressive.
How do kudo helmets shift and move? I checked it out and it seemed like a normal headgear but bigger, am I missing something?
@@mostafasallem8271 For the newest "Super Safe" version that I have, the plastic shield has been designed with some give when you hit it and also the inner padding on the head is designed differently vs. traditional boxing headgear so it does shift a bit, particularly on straights and uppercuts
@@ReneADreifuss where can you buy kudo helmets? i cant find any kudo schools in my country yet would be interested in incorporating it to my kyokushin training
@@wasabi5338 I got some of mine in Japan. But you can also join Amazon Japan and have them shipped to your country. I speak and read Japanese but I think there is an option for an English language search. If you have trouble DM me
I continue to admire and follow this channel because of the math, science, realism, and social substance you bring to martial arts & combat sports realms. Keep it up mate, I'm rooting for you - and for combat sports athletes worldwide.
Thank you
This would greatly reduce brain injury, but opens practitioners to a higher risk of bloodborn pathogens and infections. There's also the Diaz Bros factor - some good fighters would keep losing due to early stoppages as their accumulated scar tissue would make cuts more likely with even a few light strikes. Mangled wrists and hands also means lost training time. I'm guessing this would all lead to a more grappling-based sport with well-calculated punches, more kicks and body shots, which isn't a bad thing. And you could still use some protective gear in training, and focus on lighter sparing (also great for the brain). We'd need to come up with a few more tweeks, but it could be possible :)
Scar tissues on face or hands, because I don't think it will be that much of a problem on the face.
Lethwei practitioners seem to manage
they have wraps @@ynghuch
nothing wrong with the sport becoming more grappling focused as fighters try to avoid tissue damage. That's how it is in real life, after all.
This is one of my go-to buzzed rants at ufc parties...I'm very glad I'm not the only weirdo thinking along these lines! ✊️>🥊
You definitely aren't the only one. People look at me weird for doing bag and padwork barehanded. I just like the feel of it.
arent the original gloves just mits instead of having padding
Adding to that. An interesting fact. In the early 1900s, boxing was bareknuckles and that's why they have that traditional guard with the arms at chest height. It was unwise to punch the other guy in the face if you could break your hand, so they usually went more for body shots.
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THANK YOU! I've been telling people this for years and everyone thinks I'm crazy
Agreed! It's insane :/ let's lose the gloves!
Yeah same here. My friends did agree tho
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They could make a glove with thin padding over the knuckles with no wrist support. That way you could potentially reduce the "sharpness" of the knuckles without offering structural support that allows you to drop bombs.
Kyokushin Karate already uses them.
@@ike804 Really? I didn't know that. I though they went bareknuckle and wrapped their wrists.
i think the early boxing gloves were like that, i saw boxers pictures from the 20s and 30s i think and they had gloves like mittens where I'm sure there is barely any padding and they could actually open their hand with the glove
really? @@ike804
Basically leather brass knuckles😂
This solution applies very well to boxing, but I think that regarding MMA it will make the fighters focuse more on elbows, knees and kicks, which allow them to hit harder without fucking them up. Although, as you said the accumulation of punches is worse than a one-hit KO, studies show that a concussion increases remarkably the probability of suffering parkinsonism.
This problem doesn't have an easy solution, but in any case banning gloves and wraps is certainly a way to start; although it really is the solution in the case of boxing, in the era of boxing when it truly was bare-knuckle, some boxers competed daily, you see they tended to hit the belly area since it was safer than risking an injury because of a punch to the other boxer's face.
I've found that boxing gyms tend to go quite heavy on the sparring, to where it's virtually like a short fight. Some kick-boxing clubs do it too, and there's always the odd guy who doesn't understand control and tries to take your head off. I feel like proper sparring ettiquette and a 85% light to 15% heavier sparring ratio would help prevent many brain injuries, even with gloves. It'd be fun to see some very light sparring with bare knucles though.
@@NemanjaNislija Indeed, bare knuckle sparring on gyms would make the broken nose and cuts statistics go through the roof
I'm sure there's also some work that could be done in rulesets and reffing.
Boxing CTE is also very high because of the ridiculous 10 count. No matter how much brain trauma jars and rocks the fighter, if he can shake it off and get back up in 10 seconds, the fight goes on. This can happen multiple times during a fight.
In MMA, there is no 10 count. As soon as the fighter can no longer defend himself, the ref stops the fight.
I strongly believe boxing should abandon the 10 count and go with the MMA standard.
I'm not entirely sure how you would modify the ruleset in MMA that could reduce CTE while still keeping things fundamentally similar, but that avenue might still be open.
I don't know cause at the very least the 10 count is definitive, in MMA a poor refree can allow significant trauma from ground and pound.
Plus a knockdown could be due to reasons beyond brain trauma such as simple loss of balance or exhaustion like how Muhammad Ali beat George Foreman.
Great video.
Most people still believe that the gloves protect the person getting punched.
Another plus: It makes MMA look like something straight outta Baki.
Great video! Everything was pretty spot on. Removing gloves definitely would seem to be the best option rule wise. I still think that most of the damage fighters receive is probably from hard sparring with large gloves.
Only thing that I would correct as a neurology student is that the brain does in fact heal itself, just not nearly as well as superficial damage to the face or joint/ligaments would. Also, even if the brain does heal itself structurally, brain diseases are much more likely to happen if left untreated for years because of the growth of certain proteins within the brain that inhibit healthy functioning. This is one reason for degenerative diseases like dementia.
Just like any internal organ, without the proper medical interventions, disease is much more likely. There are ways to reduce the symptoms of concussions that already exist and hyperbaric oxygen therapy seems to be a possible treatment that is effective long term. The only issue now is making sure career fighters get healthcare and access to these treatments.
What are your thoughts on using peptides like Cerebrolysin for brain injuries?
I agree and I prefer it like old school Pancrase. Sadly people don't care about the fighter's health even when they are fans. People want to be entertained and early stoppage because of cuts will not make the sport very engaging. This is why Pancrase got gloves around the late 90's and early 00's.
Good video though!
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is there even a good chinese martial art that is realistic?
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I'm fairly sure boxing has higher lasting brain damage problem so nah, puffy gloves bad
Oh, you mentioned that at the end
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There is a Bare Knuckled Fighting Championship. Overseas, Lethwei and Muay Thai have their bare-knuckled fights. And I cannot remember who is starting it (Dana White?), but there is also a bare-knuckled boxing starting this year. Now, I have more respect for those events LOL
Some decent points here but some thoughts:
- eye injury risk (sometimes permanent blindness) is far greater without gloves, if only due to deliberate eye pokes, like in MMA. CTE isn't the only debilitating injury of the head.
- standing 10 count in boxing contributes heavily to CTE by heaping on damage when the brain is already compromised. Changing this rule could reduce damage.
- slightly greater disease transmission without gloves since bony fists cut open on bony skull bones more than soft fleshy bellies
Preface to this long comment: I love your videos, they make me think a lot, and I like to put my thoughts in the comments. I agree with everything you said and wanted to put some additional thoughts playing devil's advocate.
I think it's worth a try but I'm not sure those studies reflect that it would work. As you said there are many variables that lead to MMA having less concussions than boxing. Submissions is a big factor as well as MMA TKOs being different than boxing TKOs. In theory boxers can be knocked down twice per round with a long 8 count after each and can go on to fight 10 or more rounds. It takes 3 knockdowns in a round for a ref to be required to call a TKO in boxing. Granted, they would likely call it earlier. Most MMA fighters get knocked down and finished by TKO due to not being able to intelligently defend themselves during the time a boxer would be recuperating during an 8 count. (I'm stealing all this from Michael Bisping). Also, something not stolen from Bisping, a MMA fighter could, in theory, trap someone in a crucifix, and hit them repeatedly, and if the other fighter is clearly unable to escape the ref might call the fight even if the punches are not hard enough to deliver significant brain damage. So less concussions in MMA has several factors aside from gloves.
Bare knuckle boxing having less KOs can be several things depending on the promotion they took the data from. In BKFC rounds are shorter and the fights are less rounds. Also, clinching rules are less strict in BKFC. BKFC fighters, while badasses, are generally not as powerful of punchers with or without gloves compared to pure amateur and especially pro boxers. When I watch those fights I doesn't to me seem that anyone is pulling punches because they are worried about their hands, though there are a few more fights stopped due to cuts.
I think this theory makes sense for all the reasons you listed in the video, but the downsides of no gloves are ignored and a big assumption is that fighters with no gloves or handwraps will pull their punches. I'm skeptical that pro or even amateur fighters would punch with any less force to protect their hands. I think there is a decent possibility that no gloves would lead to slightly less concussions but way more broken hands and facial scarring.
Some considerations for no gloves:
Cuts ending fights more often without gloves could work, but should we not allow cutmen to stop bleeding of cuts between rounds to facilitate this?
Would the buildup of scar tissue make fighters bleed more easily to the point that they are losing fights because their scar tissue opens up early like Nate Diaz, forcing an early retirement?
Are we going to see so many more hand injuries because fighters refuse to pull their punches that fighters cannot fight as often and cannot make a living being a professional fighter? Thus diluting the quality of the sport?
Would bruising from no gloves really end more fights? Wouldn't it require one fighter having an eye swelled shut? Is that outcome significantly more likely without gloves?
TLDR: it might work, but it might not. And if it doesn't fighters might have shorter careers due to superficial facial damage or hand injuries, and less fights because of either. But early retirement due to scar tissue and hand injuries ultimately might be better for fighters than brain damage.
Your comments are remarkable.Without the gloves,more plastic surgery as well as permanent damage to the face area is expected.Simply ban the handwraps in the MMA gloves to reduce CTE.
Does bare knuckle boxing really have less ko rate? That's hard to believe because every time I watch bkb I feel like they get KO's fairly easy compared to boxing where you can see 12 round fights with hard shots and not a single KO.
Also, with all this logic of no protection to stop brain damage, should we also ban helmets in motorcycles too? This topic doesn't make much sense for me because it's proven that in a motorcycle accident the helmet can save you from brain injuries but in fighting it's actually worse???
Agreed. I'm not sure they have less KOs in bare knuckle. Defense is harder with no gloves.@@user-ki4xw2rb8q
I don't know if 4 oz mma gloves and motorcycle helmets are a good comparison. The theory is gloves let you hit harder, not that less protection equals less damage. I'm not sure I believe it either. It's based on most people can hit a heavy bag harder with gloves than without and keep their hands from breaking. @@user-ki4xw2rb8q
Kyokushins no head punch rule is, admitedly, awful for self defense. But as a pure ritual combat and competition? Man i cant think of a better way to avoid concussions than takin hand head strikes away!
I think an easy evidence to cumulative damage is look at every "war" x fighter has been in one of the two fighters that take a ton of head shots in that fight have something taken from them. There never quite the same. Meanwhile I've seen guys get knocked out lose their next and then win win again and hop back on a winning streak cause they took some time between those fights to heal. Knock outs are bad for the brain for sure but not nearly as bad as getting repetitively hit 150 times in 15 or 25 minutes for sure
Great information. Being that gloves and headgear are padded it's not obvious that more damage to the brain would result, but what you said makes profound sense. Forty-five years ago I used to box in a gym with headgear and wondered why I still got headaches. After experiencing a concussion I stopped altogether.
8:08 it actually does heal to a degree, it's just not enough in cases like this.
I'd also say they should get rid of hand wraps too.
Hell yeah! But a lot of people will disagree. So that's highly unlikely
or just do Kudo instead
why?
@headhunter6734 the glove argument is moot if you still have hand wraps. As wrist support allows you to take powerful shots. You can test this yourself on a bag.
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Great points here. I appreciate your rigorous analysis!
You're 100 percent correct! Gloves and sparring helmets can protect against some very serious things but not concussions. You see a lot more facial scars, broken jaws and broken hands, but a lot fewer concussions.
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To reply to some older videos: knuckle push ups are a good way to strengthen the knuckles, and make punching hurt less. Rather than hit hard with soft, etc. I prefer… Hit soft with hard. Hit hard with harder. To make it easier on you to use shins, forearms, or other areas, I used a wakizashi bokken, and starting gently then gradually getting more forceful, I would hit those areas. Again, not hard enough to cause real damage. After a while, it deadened the nerves, making it easier to hit with those areas, while not weakening the bones. When fighting multiple opponents, the only strategy that works, besides moving very quickly, is to limit how many of them can strike you at once. Move around in such a way as to make them get in each other’s way. At my first school we started sparring multiple opponents early on, and by black belt, we would be sparring against five at once. That’s why I feel as I do about the subject, because it worked, and was the only thing that did, in my experience. Finally, you are absolutely right about weight training. I use a Total Gym with the weight bar attachment, and it has greatly increased my power and my speed. As you said, it’s all about the way you train. Apologies if there are typos or other errors. These letters are tiny, and I’m not going to proofread everything. Anyway, thanks for making these videos, and doing the in depth scientific research to back up your statements. Also, I too am a massive Batman fan, and I love the shirts. See you in the next video.
i had little wtf moment because for some reason i read the title as "How to stop consciousness" :)
100% agree, i've always said that solution is to remove either gloves or strikes to the head (which imho is kinda stupid)
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This is a brilliant video which saves a lot of people. This fact has to be acknowledged. Thank you for telling this to the world, brother
Im alll for removing the wraps in bare knuckle boxing. I suspect the increased stability the wrappings give to the wrists removes some sorts of subconsous strife to protect the hands when striking .
This inhibiton can be overcome trough willpower iin the odd punch or two, but as soon as the the fighting gets just slightly technucally demanding you revert back o imstinctually trying to minisse the risk breaking your hands.
BKB wirhout the wraps would also make the fight lean more towards light precision striking.
A ligjt but very fast fist to the nose can be an instant win in some cases, and with minimal effect on brain.
I suggest also banning all kinds of
assistance between rounds to stop a fighters bleeding. If a brow bleeds to much if untended for the fighter to continue, count that as losing the match.
Might be a PR-problem with all the blood but neurolgical health shoulfd be more important.
Besides, a good bleeding now and then is healthy for most oeople.
5:08 Mountain Bike and Motocross Helmets have MIPS which is used to reduce rotational forces using the same idea
I haven't had a single concussion when sitting on my couch. Although I had a close call once, when I ran too fast to the door to get my pizza delivery.
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Another point that you didnt really brought up is that without gloves, MMA fighters would be incentivised to use more punches to the body and submissions to protect their hands.
And that's not even mentioning the *added* benefit: we'd either *finally* shut up palm strike nerds, or force them to provide *actually substantial evidence* for their claims!
Imagine it: a world where the benefits of different strikes are discussed *beyond* pseudo-Taoist weeaboo mantras about hard and soft...
Really reminds me of how adding restrictor plates to NASCAR increased the amount of crashes… sometimes protective limitations make the situation worse.
This is one of the reasons i started wacthing bkfc or bk8. It changed the way I view boxing. I would rather watch good compations, blocks and slip rather than a knockout. In my view thats more of the sweet science.
Absolutely.
I said this when playing Hockey. The more equipment the game added, the harder and more reckless the hits became.
I noticed a psychology to the players. The bruisers weren’t so aggressive when we played on a frozen pond with no gear, because they felt vulnerable to payback after a dirty hit. There was more respect on the ice with less gear, and a more elegant game as a result.
Fighting has a different mindset where you want to hurt your opponent, but you also want to minimize damage taken. Lose the gloves and go bare knuckle, eventually the style will change into something more technical.
Funny how we are coming up with the same solutions that fighters hundreds of years ago wrote about.
So we have scientific data proving what has to be done YESTERDAY to prevent death and tragedy and nobody's listening? Gee, what an anomaly! Why is the apparition of Greta Thunberg in the corner of my room starting to shoot laser beams from her eyes?!
Bare knuckle boxing is actually still legal in the UK
In this case, force is calculated the following way.
Force = (momentum of your hand when it hits the other guy's head)/(the time your hand remains in contact with the other guy's head after the hit)
aka the energy transferred but we should not forget that the neck muscles of the person can actually stabilize the head more by, well, absorbing or redirecting the kinetic energy to body. so basically doing stuff that would increase the stability of the head for example the neck muscles or turning with the punches to lower the energy transferred will result in lower brain damage
Just from the perspective of someone who fights because they want to actually be good at martial arts, I agree. Gloves+wraps are literally a weapon, they’re a force multiplier because they add mass (even if not substantial) but more importantly they reinforce the wrist so you can throw way harder way more often.
I’d rather see a much more pure form of competition. I don’t think boxing is going to be all it’s cracked up to be once you go bare knuckle. I think other martial arts like Muay Thai, Karate, Taekwondo would become way more important and also submission grappling would be even more effective than it is now. I think boxing is arbitrarily propped up by the attachment of a literal weapon on people’s fists. It’s fucking dumb.
So I agree, let’s bring MMA back to what it was supposed to be.
Off topic but camera quality looks super crisp! New setup?
You noticed! I moved the camera back and zoomed in so that I could use a teleprompter. The image quality should be pretty much the same, but the perspective has changed, since I'm at a different amount of zoom. I think I want to move the lights just a tad bit closer, but I'm glad it looks good so far!
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This is quite amusing given the history of the UFC. The idea of finding out which empty hand martial art or sports combat was the best is now reduced to 'how do we reduce the harm to the fools who want to get into it?'
So we have gone from dropping back to minimal rules for the first few UFCs to wanting to make it all safe again.
Which oddly enough, we already knew all about from the many decades of medical types campaigning to ban boxing.
Just like we already knew that grapplers beat boxers from them having had competitions long before the UFC was thought of.
And at the end of all the modern UFC/MMA thing we come back to everyone having learned nothing.
So I will lay out what everyone should have learned from the C20th. Fighting is for mugs. The promoter and everyone else make all the money and you end up punchy.
Kyokushin be like “Oh so NOW y’all give a shit about head punching?”
this actually makes a ton of sense, i punch way less compared to when i have a glove on, especially if were not wearing protective equipment
Doesn't removing the multiple rounds system would help too ?
no even the fighters are not gonna agree to short
Good video. I remember watching a RUclips video about 19th century bare knuckle boxers who fought under the London Prize Ring rules which stated that the boxers had more fights, longer careers, and pretty much still had all their faculties in tact after retirement. This may have been because they didn't punch as hard to the head like they would with gloves because otherwise they'd break their hands and preferred to punch to the body. I don't know how true that statement is but it makes sense when you think about it.
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This is also true in Rugby vs football.
Yes, removing the gloves would help. Something that would help more, in my opinion would be to ban weight cutting. Redusing your weight by dehydrating yourself is the dumbest thing you could do. Take away the fluid protecting the brain=brain damage.
Hey how if we weighted the fighters down, gave them scuba gear and made them box at the bottom of a pool!
Yep, gloves are for hand protection, not head protection. Maybe not getting hit in the head is a better way to go?
My only concern is that bare knuckle fighting might lead to blood from one fighter entering the system of the other.
If one fighter has a blood born disease it could be a problem, aside from that edge case i can't think of an argument against this.
So bare knuckle boxing? Those guys take a tremendous amount of damage.
It's sad that people that make decisions have no accountability or experience about regulating the sport they do
Bass ruten enters the conversation😂 that guy knocked people out and broke their livers with palm strikes
Very nice and complete argument.
I say this as a common person as I almost never touched a fighting golve, but I can say that in the very very verysmall time i tried a martial art, they already told me to be carefull due to glove funghy, so there's also the igene problem with gloves.
Intelligent fighters will throw softer punches and utilize more grappling techniques, but the vast majority of them will still try to throw with reckless abandon.
The gloves are not for safety, they are weapons.
What about removing punches to the face. Kyokushin + grappling
I have heard about this. Gloves were introduced to protect the hands, not the head which, as he said, allows harder punching. Great presentation as usual. Now I wonder what could be done to reduce concussions in hockey and football. Many children have brain damage from these sports by the time they finish high school. Thanks for your work. Cheers!
i have an idea for american football thou Hardcore Football players are not gonna like it. If they Made tackling like rugby where it involves wrap tackling from the waist down it will make a huugeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee difference. But like everything there are cons, cons are you would probably suffer more leg injuries like Sprains, torn acl and MCL but you would still be alive. Another Con is People like the brutality of hits inFootball and having a low impact form of tackle will severely reduce those Brutal moments the sport is known for and a lot will complain about just like people complained about the officiating protecting QBS and receivers. So at this point there will be a dillema, sacrifice entertainment for health and wellness or sacrifice health for Pure carnage entertainment. Most fans will choose the 2nd option.
if i get any more concussions im going to get Parkinson's,, ive had my dome rocked so many times and 98% of them was with bare fists. from my experience the only way to stop concussions is to just not get hit in the head.
History of boxing also shows that the introduction of padded equipment increased concussions to be more likely. Another thing would be to make boxers fight 10 times a day, so messing up their fist makes them lose matches effectively.
you forgot another factor the round system if we did 15 minutes round instead of 5 3 minutes rounds it will save lives as well
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the thing is, superficial tissue damage hurts more in the moment. Getting punched by someone wearing gloves dazes you, but the pain isn't instant. You might have a horrible headache over the next few days, but during the fight you're still pretty solid. Getting punched bare knuckle... ouch. Blood all over your face, in your mouth, in your eyes, swelling... it hurts a lot more and scares the spectators.
You have to get rid of wraps too, not just gloves. The bare knuckle league doesn’t help, because they still use wraps.
I believe the reason it happens is because heads are very hard.
People got their fists damaged from head-shots in bare-knuckle boxing, so body-shots became the norm.
As such, fights lasted extremely long in boxing, and people found them boring. People like concussion-giving-punches, because they're fast, and impactful and they make the fight more dramatic.
I think that if someone get hit by a bare fist and one of the knuckles of the fist hits one of his eyes then he will get blind for life.
How true and sad... Just one thing, as far as I've red somewhere, gloves were invented to protect hands, not heads. And, in those old bare nuckle days matches went too long, boxers did not dare to punch so hard from fear to break their hands, fingers. Now we see shorter matches, bigger punches, bigger brain damages. - Another thing, as I remember it was Rodney King of Crazy Monkey Defense, who years ago posted about "losing his brain" (early dementia). As a bouncer in Johannesburg (!) he really got too many head shots and although his "crazy" underarm defense method saves a lot of brains now (including mine), it was too late for him. Really sad.
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I am absolutely with you, better have some bruises than brain damaged forever. True what you said, that with gloves on it only looks safer, but no one cares about the fighters at the end of their career. You got my subsciption mate.
I've been arguing this for years. Likewise get rid of the pads in football.
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What if we just change the rules to ban strikes to the head? MMA used to allow groin shots, and that was banned no problem. This would also make those brutal ground and pounds much more tolerable
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Miss the old MMA. It is the same thing that happened to boxing, because it is more entertaining for the average viewer to see impactful hits than to understand what is going on. Before there were small paddings or none at all with full on clinch, but people wanted to see more hitting less "hugging". Knockouts were considerate the highlight and with introduction of rounds you got to see more for you bucks. The same Business logic applied to MMA, less rolling on the ground(refere restarts the fight in standing position), paddings so you can do big hits and more rounds so you can have more chances for it.
100% true
god damn it, why cant this become reality
This was the way UFC was conducted originally in the 1990, s
It was discarded around 2001 or so.
Yeah I mean that’s always kinda been my understanding. I always thought the only reason we wore gloves was to protect our hands not the other guys face
I cannot wait to see bareknuckle ufc
1) no more weight cuts. That thing kills more people than strikes. You fight in your natural wight.
2) no striking or kicking on the ground (only wrestling/grappling allowed). You can't go and throw a punch over a knocked out opponent.
3) gloves are important to use. Because is either that or having cuts all over your face. Watch bear knuckle boxing if you don't believe me.
4) mma gloves don't offer too much padding anyways. You can feel the knuckles. That doesn't happen with boxing gloves.
5) regular and sane people don't want to watch blood but KO's
well.. Bare fists crack bones.. I knew people, who were able to brake a skull, when fought with bare fists. It is far beyond of sport and there should be no chance, to have it even possible in competitive disciplines.
Also, for a sport and training, gloves work to protect the fists and fingers. People learn for years, how to target an keep their fist. Not everyone becomes a pro. If we stop using gloves and bandages, there will be even more beginners, injured.
Probably, I have missed it in your video, who exactly, do you recommend, to stop using gloves?
Still, I like, that you present and refer researches. It is clearly another view to martial disciplines.
Please, keep doing, what you do
Agreed, but if I didn't know any better, I'd say you're conspiring to give grapplers an advantage in mma.
no just removing the advantage striking has with gloves. makes it more realistic
I think a certain type of head gear would actually help with concussions in combat sports, but it is not a "rotating helmet". A better gear would be a neck brace out of non Newtonian material that's flexible most of the time but stiffens up on a head impact to make more energy go into the torso. Add a kudo style face mask to protect fragile face bones from potential extra damage and that would solve most head trauma problems in combat sports.
I personally think we should advocate for removing wraps rather than gloves as this would mean fighters could not wing as many hard punches due to fear of hand injuries. While avoiding the bad aesthetics caused by the sport being 'bare knuckle'.
So if i wanna spar without brain injury should i try sparring with bare knuckles or wraps and i tought about that if i do it like this i might use headgear to reduce cuts