Things Bad Martial Artists Say
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2021
- Rokas is right about Aikido, and the people that respond to him are comically biased.
Some videos I took clips from so you can make sure I didn't take them too out of context:
Remy and Viking Samurai: • Real Aikido Expert Pro...
Rokas and Remy: • So Does Aikido Work Or...
The guy in the fuzzy hat: • Martial Arts Journey, ...
Fight Tips Video: • Is Krav Maga Legit or ...
Master Wong: • Wing Chun kung fu does...
Empty Your Cup (ocean): • “EMPTY YOUR CUP” Bruce...
Empty Your Cup (buddhist guy): It's from the movie "2012".
Icy Mike: • You Need to Wrestle | ...
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This was so hard to make, oh my goodness...
Too... many... CLIIIIIIIPS!!!
Bro, why is there so much hate on Martial arts journey? The dude went out of his way to see if his martial art worked in a real fight, something no other non-combat-sports martial artist has had the balls to do, found out his martial art didn't work, admitted it doesn't work and then decided to try and learn a couple of martial arts that do work in a fight. Where is the fault in ANY of that?
When you bad-mouth the cult, the cult gets angry
You badmouthed a man for having the gal to put his style to the test, if martial journey had claimed he could win hands down and then made excuses like a failure after losing yes you would be In the right to call him out but the point of his video was not to prove his aikido worked it was to find out if it worked snd like the other commenter said when he found out he was wrong he admitted it and moved on but here you are dragging his name in the dirt and you have to insult a commenter for making a critique of your work while your doing the same to others I like your video and I agree with most of it however I have to say your display some immaturity with this comment and no I'm not "part of the cult" so don't bother with that stupid bullshit
@@DynomitePunch ??? I'm DEFENDING Rokas, and the comment above is agreeing with me!
Are you mad at Remy? Because I assure you he's not on this comment thread.
Or maybe I'm fundamentally misunderstanding your comment. I'm not sure anymore
@@DynomitePunch he was defending Rokas. Relisten to the video homie. He was dragging the other guy Remy for being butt hurt.
@@DynomitePunch lol you overcommitted on that punch, bud😂
Rokas is one of very few people that has said that they have wasted meny years of their life training shit. He has huge balls.
In fairness, he did say that he picked up BJJ much easier than he thinks he otherwise would’ve. I’ve never heard him say ‘waste’, just that he was misled.
But to be clear, he might’ve used that terminology, I just didn’t remember him doing so.
I wouldnt say he was especially brave by jumping ship from Aikido to MMA and BJJ. Its obvious which ones the internet respects more and his channel exploded once he did it.
@@MP-db9sw There's something to that for sure, but these TMA communities often have these "us vs them" narratives, especially when it comes to combat sports, like "that's savage, unsportsmanlike, brute, dull, etc.", and being in the community for decades, having friends and people you care about and respect in the community... To jump ship to the "enemy" side, I think takes huge balls, even if the "enemy" side is bigger and "winning"
@MP-db9sw at least he jumped ship.. there are many jokers still pushing Aikido..😅
Wasted is a strong word. Even the less effective martial arts have things they do well. I've seen aikido skills transfer really well to grappling
"if i wanna prove a move works, i don't use it on my 112lb girlfriend, i have HER use it on ME"
mr.violence never misses
OF COURSE Rokas was right. His whole perspective was to challenge his own beliefs. That's the number one way to become more correct over time.
roka pls
oh you gullible idiot
When I was 15 I was doing karate, was a yellow belt, and got bullied a lot at school / college. Not to launch into an explanation on how 15 years olds can go to college in the UK suffice to say one guy tried it on so we went around the back gate to sort it out.
Anyway I got a sound thrashing, black eye the works. Two lads came to watch said it wasn't even close. Between this and getting a lot of grief I was very depressed.
Well a week later my karate intructor noticed how miserable I was and asked my brother what was up. Brother told him I was getting bullied at college so he came up and basically told me to take the guy around the back and sort him out.
I pointed out I'd tried that one, then pointed out my black eye (it wasn't a huge shiner btw, just a bit brusied about the edges)
Honestly first words out of his mouth were 'Well you can't blame the karate" and then stalked off
wasn't "are you ok? or "Good for standing up for yourself" or "We'll work on something next week"
... ... ... I fucking hate that bloke
The instructor showed great weakness in himself there. Unwilling (or unable) to admit that his practice won't bring super powers he takes it on his own student, letting one down like that.
I wish you all the best.
@@PrinssiOfficial I have to mention at this point though mate my ol karate instructor was and probably still is an utter narcissist.
He lied, told ridiculous tales of himself, trie to fuck every pretty woman who came to class and generall ended up pissing everyone off. It got to a point that the guy who ran a club in the next town over phoned him to ask what was going because so many of his students were appearing at this guys class
Its a shame as he was a god karate practictioner, but he was less interested in developing his students and more interested in looking clever and being popular.
Yeah. That's not a problem with the martial art, but with your trainer.
A lack of practical application seems to be common in karate, all the same.
That sensei was an idiot, but if the other guy was 18-19 years old, that might have been the reason for your loss.
@@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y I don't blame the karate for loosing that's not reallt the point. I was at a point in my life I was so depressed I had to force myself to eat and all he could do was cover his arse.
“It doesn’t make them experts, it makes them biased.” Great quote
applies to Rokas
I like to use "empty cup"... but i interpret the phrase with a pretty nuanced meaning. I think most people oversimplify with it, just like the guy who wants to learn "some takedown defense" is oversimplifying. I think it is possible to find a balance. Good video and you have inspired me to respond.
Yeah, you use the phrase in a way that's fine. Nobody else does, though.
To me it just means "let your ego outside", it's all about attitude.
I've met a lot of dickheads who thought they already know their stuff and were unable to learn anything because of their mindset.
@@ArmchairViolence I go the opposite way. I tell guys to "add it to your toolbox". Then I send them to a certified trainer.
I also only teach cheap shots... But not all of them😏.
The hell you doing here want to get knocked tf out? 😡 👊.
I can break you fake with my chi power 🔌
@@shinobi-no-bueno Or a dude I knew in art school, he thought he already knew how to draw because he's been doing "academic drawing" (whatever that means) for 7 years...he had some skills but he actually was not that good.
And his attitude man, always arguing with teachers always being a smart ass.
He wasn't making any progress and couldn't see it.
And people who knew nothing who learned from scratch got better than him very quickly.
He got kicked out from the school in the middle of the year...
That's why i'm always careful and try to be humble when I take a class of anything, even if I already know some stuff, I always try to act like I know nothing about the matter.
I really don't want to be that guy...
A quote I take from Jesse Enkamp seems to apply to this situation in some way. In trying to discover the origin of some karate technique he said "I'd rather have unanswered questions than an unquestioned answer".
Jesse is the goat.
The empty cup thing is crazy my Muay Thai instructor actually complemented me on incorporating Karate and Taekwondo style kicks in sparing.
My Taekwondo instructor always incorporated boxing and Judo into our lessons and he actually pushed me to start Jujitsu. A great teacher will always help their students to blossom through any means
ABSOLUTELY, any GOOD instructor will have an open mind!
My bjj instructor liturally helps me to learn technics from youtube after classes.
As long i'm paying attention and my fundamentals are solid he is very supportive to help me out to develop my own styl. And it really worked out well.
"take what is useful discard what is not"
-Bruce Lee, father of modern MMA
@@diogenes42069 no he is not. Stop the lie.
Vale tudo was alredy a thing before Bruce Lee borned. And the Gracies brought here to sell more bjj membership. And it was formed by boxing commisions.
Also Sanda was 2 decades old. Wich system was liturally invented to see what are the most useful kung fu technics.
Remy sounds super butt hurt, rokus is the most important martial arts lesson in a long time
Thank you for sticking up for my boy Rokas. He displays much critical thinking and honesty to his training, as you do yourself. Maybe you will get a reaction from the people you are calling out.
Part of me would love the extra exposure, but the rest of me dreads getting in a petty internet feud lol
@@ArmchairViolence petty internet feuds drive views. Gloves on!
@@ArmchairViolence bro... you won't make predictions for fights but you'll start an internet war with an aikido practitioner???
That's like watching a weird mix of philosophy RUclipsrs and martial arts RUclipsrs. Exactly what I didn't know I needed.
Bad martial artist say size and strength don’t matter. We all intuitively know it does. No one thinks you can armbar a bear because the bear doesn’t train, but for some reason reason we think a guy having 50 more pounds of muscles doesn’t matter at all.
I honestly left that one out because so few people still say it. But I might end up putting it in a part 2.
@@ArmchairViolence I still hear it a lot amongst traditional martial artists...
Came to make fun of aikido, stayed for the logic class
"good coaches teach students, bad coaches teach material" ❤️
My girlfriend (Kaylen) came up with that line, and she's very proud of it! Lol
@@ArmchairViolence she should be. It’s great!
"bad coaches teach material" ... so ... every bjj instructor ever
Just discovered this character and it’s so refreshing to hear someone speaking truth and logic into an industry full of ridiculous egos and silly fallacies.
This is exactly why Rokas is so God damn special. Dude was shown that half of his life had been dedicated to nonsense and the vast majority of people, myself included, would have found path through mental gymnastics to discard the new information and return to the nonsense. Instead he removed his biases and falicies from the equation and changed his path to be more in line with what he thought he was doing the whole time. This other dudes gonna keep justifying it and occasionally have someone half his size throw a half hearted jab a foot in front of his face and nod to himself. Fantastic video Jake
Lately he's been doing a lot of videos defending aikido and trying to "make it efficient". He's been having tentative success at times and it's pretty disappointing because he gets very excited for aikido whenever his kotegashi works but it's obviously because he's picked up wrestling, judo, and BJJ. It's like he forgot what happened earlier.
@@dacedebeer2697 Old biases are hard to break. Much like old habits. My dumb ass still has arrogant lapses in judgment(Marvelous Marvin Fanboy in me takes over)during sparring that results in me over relying on my boxing background only to end up getting clinched, thrown, or blasted with a double. Easily one of the most annoying mental uphill MA battles a person can go through
@@dacedebeer2697 I don’t see it as defending Aikido but rather how can he make the best use of the skills he was learning during his Aikido training. As a practitioner he was definitely training and gaining skills at something, but the MMA fight reveals that these skills weren’t useful for fighting. However, he still has these skills so he’s learning how he can apply them to fighting. I think that’s where the journey is right now.
@@jamesdalton1991 The MMA fight didn't prove the skills he learned weren't useful, the fight proved that Rokas never pressure tested what he learned unlike the other guy who has.
@@dacedebeer2697 i think it isnt about defending it but rather trying to use other knowledge to make his existing knowledge more effective, or whether its even possible
Kinda reminds me of the empty cup stuff lol
All those Aikido guys calling out Rokas as a bad Aikido instructor should fly over and challenge him to a sparring match and film it or shut up.
That's the thing about martial arts. It's like to argue about what's best just right and let's see.
Remy can knock Rokas´credentials all day, but he seems to forget how Rokas isn´t exactly the only one saying the things that offend him so much. He could easily look up how several very legit fighters and martial artists have said similar things about Aikido, like Bas Rutten, Matt Thornton and others, even including some, like Roy Dean, who also have high rank in Aikido themselves.
You know why I love your videos. because you articulate your thoughts with clear, concise, and valid points. and when you are talking about other people, like Remy. you also arent 'attacking' You're direct and blunt but your not berasive. which unfortunately is rare nowadays. bravo.
Thank you! I'm one of the few martial arts RUclipsrs with a background in philosophy and debate, so I figured I'd leverage those skills!
“This will save your life” automatic red flag lol
Dang, that's a good one. I would have never thought of that one but, you're right, bad martial artists say that all the time!
@@ArmchairViolence right lol. When you mentioned leaving a comment, I automatically thought about a video of 3 dudes doing a weapons disarm in their living room. As confident as the main guy could say, “this will save your life!” Lol
As someone who practices Aikido, I think Rokas is the best thing to happen to the art in years.
His demonstration and valid criticisms of some very real holes/flaws in the art I think will lead to some big shake ups in the style in a positive way. We are already seeing implementation of pressure testing in a lot of schools around us and I think that's exactly what the art needed.
yes, because when your goal is to spread the art, what you need is a guy who pretty much tears down everything you tried to build up over the years ...
@SINdaBlock411 he didn't. He was very real and honest about his personal journey. And some of the things that were torn down as a result of that honesty needed to go anyway.
@@chadwizick quit dickriding him and don't give me that journey crap he got his ass kicked and blamed aikido while in reality it shouldd've been him realizing that aikido was never meant fo combat, that being said I see no reason to just bash aikido and think mma would've made any difference in his situation, he's become nothing more than a blunt tool for more of the same baseless and flawed promotion of mma and bjj and muay thai and whatever mainsteam combat sport out there, at the expense of everything that isn't mainstream ... he has a blue belt in bjj and some basic kickboxing, has at most a few mma fights (not even at a high level by the way) under his belt and because of this he thinks he can just take one look at anything beyond his mma bubble and be the judge ... that's asking for trouble, another youtuber named WhatWouldNinjasDo aka George is far more honest and real because he too is a bjj blue belt and he too does Muay Boran, so he knows how to handle himself no different from Rokas, only difference is he's being real about his passion: ninjutsu/taijutsu/jutaijutsu ... he's aware it may not be the best for practical self defence, he's aware it's no combat sport meant for competition, he's aware there's far more to it than the shallow "can I kick someone's ass with it", he didn't abandon it just because mma is the new hype, he filled in his gaps with mma stuff but he still has a passion for it and defends it, an admirable quality the likes of Rokas will never figure out
As someone who's trained both "traditional" martial arts and combat sport for decades and at the same time, I really think the biggest issue is the lack of testing and sparing that usually happens at a traditional martial arts school. I went to a highly regarded Kung Fu school for 13 years and proper sparing didn't really begin until you were purple belt and higher (that's two belts off of Kung Fu's equivalent of a black belt...). That means that the vast majority of students in these places have never used their techniques on an opponent who is genuinely trying to fight back. Even then I found the sparing to less than adequate and ended up getting more out of attempting to apply my Kung Fu when at the MMA gym.
Whereas when I started boxing, I was thrown into a 3 round sparing match at the end of my first class. I think this is a big reason why you see so many more useful and successful techniques come out of Boxing, MMA, Muay Thai, Wrestling, etc - what ends up being taught and used are those "high percentage" moves. Whereas a lot of traditional schools spend very little time on getting the material they teach to actually be practical. If you throw an open palm strike like Bas Rutten it's can work well whereas roleplaying as the next Ip-man isn't going to.
Yep. Any art with good pressure testing will eventually become effective. Any art with no pressure testing will eventually become ineffective.
Not letting students spar for a really long time is a common trick people use. They don't let students experiment and try things until they've committed to the school for years. Then sunk cost biases will cause the students to make excuses when the moves don't work.
Good schools introduce students to light sparring within a matter of weeks.
Agreed. It's as much about the training as the "style."
A difficult video to make and dodge the laserbeams but I feel like you were very fair while entertaining. Great work! We have to be able to self reflect. Even MMA isnt fully 'complete' for 'real' fighting (Headbutts, downed oppo rules, etc)
Very true. The people that say MMA isn't perfect for street self defense are correct. The people that think they have something BETTER are almost always wrong lol
@@ArmchairViolence 100% True, though tazekwondo worked well on you
@@Matt90Nine As an Army vet, I can promise you that it's a completely different skill set.
@@Matt90Nine It's really a matter of different technical skills. A fighter pilot deals with massive G-forces and split-second reaction times in life-or-death scenarios, but he would suck in the infantry, because he never learned how to shoot a rifle.
A soldier may be used to battle stress, but he has no idea how to slip a punch or stuff a takedown. A soldier would suck just as hard in an MMA fight as an MMA fighter would suck on the battlefield.
On top of that, people get immune to stress by getting used to that SPECIFIC kind of stress. I know people that can fight but, if you yell at them, they start crying. Because they practiced fighting, but they don't practice having arguments.
Skills and abilities are always specific to how you trained them. Pulling a trigger at someone from 100 yards away is different then looking someome in the eyes and throwing a punch.
A soldier might do better than an AVERAGE person, but not nearly as well as a trained martial artist.
@@Matt90Nine Being a solder means you’re good at being a solder, it doesn’t make you good in a street fight
The idea of a boxing coach pointing to bruce lee is kinda wild to me ngl
It almost sounds made up, and I wish it WAS made up! Lol
>"if I collect enough of them I can make a part 2!"
>look over at youtube side bar
>"things bad martial artists say" part 2 is the first recommended video
Rokas definitely learned through his martial arts journey. Much respect to him for acknowledging he made changes after he acknowledged Akido is Bullshido! Just like Steven Segal!
3:22 missed an opportunity to say “cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria”
His example of boxing punches and resistant training at the end was amazing. It really does show that a lot of arts are practiced in a way that they don't actually know what resistance is and cant fathom just how more resistance is happening in the "Sport only" styles that they claim are "Not 4 DA STREETZ!"
Finally someone who points out that "which martial art works" totally depends on what you want to do with it. It really is that simple, a lot of people just don't want to understand that.
"Pain compliance is really effective in the streets" when the reality is that pain compliance only works on non-commited aggressors.
"You have to be trained to be skilled" if this was true none of the effective styles would exist, at some point someone must have developed skill from experience.
Universal applications
I like how you're also teaching people critical thinking skills through martial arts competence. The only other martial arts expert whom I saw explain bad martial arts with logical fallacies was in the Skeptical Inquirer magazine.
This was the first video of yours that I’ve seen. It’s refreshing to see the logical fallacies pointed out in the context of martial arts discussions. I like what you’re doing here and really enjoyed this.
I really appreciate how your videos are often a crash course in logic. Understanding what constitutes a sound argument, how to evaluate the premises of the argument, and how to counter arguments is fundamental to separating what’s useful from what should be discarded.
Keep up the great work!
The main problem with a lot of martial arts is lack of sparing and no training where you opponent trys to resist the move
While many in the traditional martial arts community have shunned Rokas, it’s so great to hear him talk about the support he’s gotten from the combat sports community. He really is a treasure to the martial arts community and watching his journey might be one of the most important things since the awareness of UFC/MMA. I wouldn’t have the humility, confidence and courage to put out the content he does. He’s challenging things so everyone can be more knowledgeable. I can’t say enough good things about the guy.
In my lifelong martial arts journey, I've found that training with a good teacher makes all the difference between being all right and being very good. With the oner caveat that you must be a very good student worthy of that teacher.
Training methodology is the most important aspect of any martial art, training bjj with only solo drills will suck in a fight against a krav maga or aikido guy who has actually sparred regularly. However as sparring in km or aikido is not a commonplace thing, that is where we can say the art itself has a serious issue. This is what opens the door to people like the guy criticising Rokas saying the way we train works etc. He may be correct, but using that to defend the art as a whole is to deny the statistics that you/your training methodology is the exception not the norm.
Matt thornton also made a great point. The more sparring you put into an art that doesnt spar, the more it begins to look like the combat sports that actually work, for example aikido begins to look like bad judo as the techniques that dont work against resistance fall away and basic trips and throws become more common.
Found this video by accident. (or DID I?) I agree with much about what you said here. In 30+ years of training in traditional martial arts I've found people mostly adhering to buzzwords (Mostly style NAMES), hiding behind rank, and parlor tricks to legitimize what they're doing at their place of training. I've walked into buildings where the words Dojo and Church could easily be switched with no stretch of the imagination. Where this video would be considered "mean" would be a mental place where people just want to LARP and play dress up including all the patches and belts they want. That makes me wonder what this video is even for because the people who believe everything you said here would tend to agree with you anyway?
I think of the empty cup analogy this way: My brain is a cupboard. The cupboard contains shelves with cups. Each cup is some aspect of martial arts that I have learned. Some cups are much bigger than others. In any given moment I can use whichever cups I want and in whatever proportion. Mix it as pure or as varied as I want. When I approach a new discipline, or even a new school teaching something I have experience in, I use a new cup filling it with the new knowledge. Then the new cup goes in the cupboard ready to be added to the mix when appropriate.
That's called "remembering"
My take has always been that there are three things chiefly responsible as to a martial artist’s success: the art, the training system/instructor, and the self. If you are extremely talented in fighting basics and fundamentals and had a teacher that instructed with live resistance sparring and pressure testing, even Aikido or Taiji would work well because you know how to fight and have application experience with that system of techniques. That said, if you’re training an art that doesn’t typically spar or pressure test and your instructor propagates that, even if you are an extremely talented fighter, you have too much working against you. You didn’t fail, your art and teacher did. Not to say a practitioner can’t fail an art, but if you’re training a combat sport with an instructor that has sparring and testing drills and you still suck, I’d be inclined to look inward.
ehh, I would still argue martial arts that aren't combat focused or are the majority soft(open hand strikes and non striking moves) are still difficult to win with, some punching needs to be involved.
I get what you're saying but as a teacher most of those people just quit. If a parent takes their kid to a match they lose two or three times they are ready to take their money elsewhere. It is the business side that hurts it more than anything I think. Some guys get hit one time say I quit and never fight again. When I was a kid I was part of a Wing Chun school that fought in karate tournaments nine months out of the year. To us Taekwondo(an Olympic sport) people didn't fight only a couple times a year. Tang Soo Do totally different story. Watching these videos, I realized it was different for me growing up. I'm from Louisville Kentucky we had Muhammad Ali and Demetrius Johnson. Lesser known are the junior monks a kung fu gang. If I was to put things in a nutshell. People who practice a martial art style and don't train in the weapon of that style you Fail to understand the grappling part of the style. Because we don't use weapons anymore It is more practical for most people to cross train a grappling or wrestling style. People used more weapons in the eighties, so a lot of things were pressure tested for us through gang warfare And of course Louisville Slugger Bats!
Man I wish I knew what you know in my early 20s. Great insight!
I wound up losing interest partially due to some of that but have been dying to get back into it lately.
I'll be keeping this in mind when I do.
An MMA fight is still on my bucket list 👍
Thank you for your work!
With the empty cup point I think it's always important to take your cup or glass back to the bar before leaving the pub.
I've always considered "empty your cup" to represent starting martial arts training for the first time. I know that's not how it's used, but it's my interpretation. Everyone that can form a fist believes innately that they simply "know how to fight" because they've seen it in movies and video games, but have never done training. So emptying your cup means to leave behind what you think you know and instead be open to accept actual training for the first time.
I tried to use my "No Touch" knock out power on you Saturday but you kept touching me with your Jui Jitsu which worked like a grounding wire and essentially nullified my technique. I failed the system, the system didn't fail me. It would have totally worked in the streets. 😆 Seriously this is an Awesome video.
5:54 Reminded me of the Scrublords Prayer:
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way
And if it is, you only care about winning
Great video as always the “no one has ever tried true (insert art here)” is applicable to more than martial arts
I appreciate you taking the time to stand up for Rokas!! And for sharing some of these lame excuses bad coaches use so we know what to look out for!
I like what you said about using your smaller opponent to demo your technique reminds me of some Black Belt Magazine articles where and over sized TKD instructor would use their 12 yr students as the attacker to show how wonderful their stuff was.
Dude. New to your channel, a good friend sent me this today. This is amazing. You articulate these points beautifully. 🙏
Remy and Viking Samurai... I have never heard their names, but I instantly hate them for slandering Rokas 😡
If you give Viking Samurai a watch you’ll see he’s far more impartial than most of us ever would be.
He does a good job of letting anybody and everybody share their side of a story.
@@markboorman9583 too bad he was mean to Rokas
Exceptionally well thought out points, put across clearly. Nice work!
This Remy dude's attitude reminded me of Elliott Freeman, a legend in his own mind, who used to swagger around with his entourage and act tough.
Turns out they know each other, LOL.
I love this kind of content! I love how you've articulated the common issues with a lot of different martial artists in a way that is general (i.e. referencing the logical fallacies). Got so many ex training partners from Krav Maga that I could send this too.
The only argument from kravists I find myself unable to refute is that they "got value from it". It feels like to me, that if someone feels they got value out of training a particular style, it's not my place to take that away from them, even if I think they could've gotten more value in the same amount of time with less drawbacks from training something different. It feels like a bit of a "it's better than nothing" cop out, but I would be super interested to hear your thoughts on this.
"I got value out of it" is often used because it's literally impossible to refute. "Value" is completely subjective.
Now, if they SPECIFY what kind of value they got out of it, that can be examined. If they insist that the art taught them effective moves, you can actually break down those moves. But if they refuse to specify what they mean by "value" then that translates to "my art is trash, but I'm actually a big fan of garbage."
It's ultimately just their opinion. Opinions can be WEIRD, but they can't be proven or disproven.
Now this was a good video bro . The way you addressed this was perfect .
The "empty cup" thing is an odd one. I have definitely met people who incorrectly belive they know better than the instructor, and would do better if they just shut up and listened. Equally, what you already know can help to inform what you are learning, or (as you point out) you could be doing a class to cross train and need to bring other knowledge to what you are doing. It's an attempt to crush a lot of situations into a single aphorism, and isn't always relevant.
Lol it really is an odd one!
When he first said "empty cup" I thought it was a reference to a protective cup in reference to courage and I got confused. Glad he quickly elaborated 😂
Hmm, watching you call out other people is actually pretty fun.
See? That's what other people see when I make fun of you! Lol
@@ArmchairViolence this is what I get for being supportive
@@leahgriffith60 Welcome to my life!
I'm so confused... is this the 112lb girlfriend? Because that would make a lot more sense
@@mr.doctorcaptain1124 Nope! It's just someone I know in real life.
*SUBSCRIBED!!!* You always say what I'm thinking!
Wow, this video was like reliving my first martial arts school.
Also, idk if this phrase would be applicable for your context, but I hate the "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6" which was something my first instructor loved to say when I pointed out that in no context can you justify breaking someone's arm, spiking them into the ground, curb stomping them, and then breaking their neck when that person simply grabbed your shirt.
That's a good point. That one would definitely qualify for a part 2!
@@ArmchairViolence you've already touched in this in previous videos, but this goes hand in hand with there are no rules in a street fight. These two phrases are usually good enough to get new people not to question the ridiculous level of violence some "self defense"styles preach.
@@jomess7879 yeah... if there are no rules for you, there are DEFINITELY no rules for the boxer in front of you who can now eye gouge, grab n punch, hammerfist, knee your groin, and keep punching when you fall.
What you said about coaches could really apply to all instructors or teachers and it caused me to do a bit of self reflection. I don't coach but I have been a professional instructor and that made me think about where my priorities were in teaching. Thanks.
9:37 lmao I feel this, it wasn't my coach tho it was just a light hearted fella that thought he was helping because he's been training for longer than me (or so he thought, he was just in that specific gym for longer) , he kept stopping every drill and sparring because "your stance is wrong, stop switching", SIR I'VE DOING KARATE SINCE I AM 3 PLEASE STOP.
it was kinda cute the first time but then I just wanted to change partner (small gym)
it happened 3 years ago and I still remember due to how stupid it was
Cool video ngl. I would love if you would treat your room a bit acoustically tho, the audio wouldn't be so reverby, but besides that, great content man, keep it up!
I'm gonna move in the next couple months, so the plan is to improve the space once I'm in the new house.
This is the most raw and relatable video I've EVER SEEN! 🙏
This little dude is awesome. XD This channel needs to blow up already.
Watching this video, I see how obvious my ignorance was to more experienced people, not too long ago. I used to believe that systema was realistic all on it's own. In the last couple years, I've accepted that basically there's just boxing, wrestling and MMA. Now I only use little bits and pieces of other martial arts I find, and mix them into the basics.
I felt that. My teacher added kickboxing to make the Kung Fu make sense. So basically Sanda from Wish but I dig it.
About low percentage BJJ moves: even then, most of them that are considered legit still have a high chance to improve your situation, if it fails.
E.g. wristlocks AFAIK are considered low percentage, but threatening them can help a lot. The electric chair is a low percentage sub, but Eddie Bravo still sweeped a Gracie with it.
Wristlocks even have a very important caveat, the reason they are hard to get against a bjj practitioner is precisely because every technique in bjj is drilled with the thought of preventing wristlocks embedded. So wristlocks are so effective that bjj evolved in a way to neutralize it as much as possible (there's also a culture of avoiding using it as a "gentlemen's agreement").
@@HGFED321Fair point, wristlocks are pretty potent on non BJJ guys, we just tend to not see them, cause most people get very little practice in them. (Since they are very low % vs BJJ guys)
I'm in a similar boat with leg stuff, like half my heelhook attempts are only there to let me improve position.
I still maintain that any "legit" submission will either a) be high %, or b) can help improve position even if you can't finish it.
This is why I don't think can openers are good against BJJ guys that know what to do about it - any competent defense against them will put the attacker in a much worse position.
This video is DEAD ON! Another one of my favorites is “I’ve been teaching martial arts for 30 years”, also: “I learned (insert name of lame martial art here) in Detroit (or another urban center, as if geography imbues mastery)”. One that I am sure Remy has used (by the way, why does he look like 240 pounds of chewed bubble gum?), is: “I know what worked, I bounced for 10 years” you know, because grabbing drunks from behind with three other dudes helping you totally shows how legit your fighting style is. Keep up the great work brother! I need to get you on my podcast!
Nice to see you call out the bs in the martial arts community especially with other content creators. It's something we dont see to mutch with ma RUclipsrs beeing to afrade to start "Drama"
I don't want to start drama, but I'm also physically incapable of knowing when to shut up lol
Don't know how why your video got recommended...but I'm glad ! Very good logic. Subbed! Watching a few more now.
Nothing says more about the quality of a martial artist--or, more precisely, the quality of their instructor--than the size of their ego.
Again with the relatable wrestling anecdote. No one ever explained a proper wrestling stance in my classes, but one time the most senior (and biggest) member of the class asked why i had rigid wrists instead of limp like he did. It took me a while to come up with the answer that it's to protect against joint locks and punches, having previously trained in hapkido and muay thai.
15:10 those punches look like what some of my training partners sometimes do right before I tell them to aim for my head so I can properly practice dodging.
Where were you when i got the bright idea to start training TKD to become a fighter?
Thanks for making me waste 7 years 😉
Good video as always!
i sort of want to disagree with you, but after checking what you say... several times, are correct and funny. very well thought out, and argued. keep up the good work.
Combat sports have very strict rules. Like you said in a video, grappling a person who was on special forces is different than grappling in BJJ cause one uses a knife.
But if I get in a fight with a boxer in the streets, he knows how to punch me. Rules be damned he can punch just as well, training for competition doesn't change what they know.
So yeah, people saying "we're too dangerous for competition" won't mean shit if a BJJ black belt takes you to the ground in a street fight and you are one on one.
Honestly, I do, largely agree with this. I was a street-fighter. As a generic street-fighter I learned by doing. I learned nearly everything in full contact sparring. One thing that has always dumbfounded me, when sparring professionally trained martial artists was when they had good technique, but couldn't make it work in live combat. There is something to be said about what works in your martial art against others trained in your martial art. But, also, I've seen a lot of guys get really hurt because they thought they knew what they were doing and chose to ignore sound advice.
Great video. Love your logic.
I just found your channel. I am a BJJ blackbelt hobbyist who teaches some but our gym also produces some high-end competitors. Anyway ... I digress. The bottom line is that your channel is the most legit and clear explanation of our training philosophy about other martial arts and stupid stuff people say that I have ever seen.
7:55 if competition was so different from combat, the military would never train unit vs unit to simulate combat.
I love this! Reminds me of some instructors I've known.
A well presented argument. The number of parallels in the points made that apply to my own community of rapier combat is, well...immense.
In the firearms training side people actually seek different coaches and courses to get all of the angles covered and find their own style.
Even when training courses myself I notice that I may focus on completely different things than other instructors.
Love your personal and detailed example and personal experience with Boxing.
Awwww, be easy on Rokas. He's a super nice guy.
I didn’t know you worked with Icy M from hard to hurt. No wonder we like you so much. Keep up the good work young man.
finally someone who speaks truth and backs it up with facts and analysis! keep up the good work:)
Hi found you on hard2hurt doing the tazer test well done on putting up with the shocks bet you had lots of energy after that lol
Good video. Discovered this channel from hard2hurt. Good arguments.
Also, in BBJ low percentages techniques can often be a bait to position yourself better for a high percentage.
Good video. Very well spoken. 👍
Wow that was your best video yet!
I can’t hit that thumbs up button hard enough. Great video!
Some years ago I had this conversation with a karate guy:
Guy: Karate is the most effective martial art!
Me: Ok. Which other martial arts have you ever tried?
Guy: None.
Me: .......
That old MTV show "Bully Beatdown" would probably be a gold mine of content. I remember every other bully saying "once the fight starts that adrenaline hits and I'll just black out"
Lol true, but I don't think they can reasonably count as martial artists.
That would just be "Things Stupid People Say About Fighting"
@@ArmchairViolence A new video idea!
You are very articulate, which makes your video a very good mind sparring session, for anyone who likes critical thinking, and the art of providing sound evidence
People always throw the empty cup quote but forget that Bruce Lee also said to learn what is useful and discard what isn't and to add your own.
Empty your cup just means to be humble, that's all. The analogy is used so often the meaning is lost in translation.
You have a point but they’re absolutely correct about the individual thing. If you take two people and teach them mma one only does it once a month and the other 5 times a week then the result will be obvious, one probably won’t look like he improved much. “Doesn’t work” depends on the situation. Like I’m a police officer and aikido’s techniques definitely work for subject control and handcuffing. BJJ works as well. It depends on how you train, at the end of the day, if you don’t spar and stress test you can’t fight.
Sensei Seth also kinda proved on his channel that it depends on how you train as an individual (granted he has previous experience). Lots of people claim Wing Chun doesn’t work because of what’s usually presented but if you train with someone who’s competent and stress tests, you’ll be able to see it works.
"This martial art is designed for the untrained assailant" means it is designed to be the worst martial art in the world
11:34 Holy shit, didn't realize how much I needed to hear this. This is my boss telling me to learn the ways of my new company and prove myself before I use any Java language features that have been added since 2011.