I already had immense respect for Rob and his crusade, but this moment at 6:16 took it to another level 😂 My dude if you ever come to Portugal, beers on me💪
As a former Krav Maga brainlet and believer in realistic self defense. I will 100% say that my old mindset was denial of reality. I wanted an easy shortcut to fighting well and didn't wanna believe that it took years of training and athletic cultivation to be a good fighter.
For me it was the exact other way. I realized that a lot of things we practiced at my school didn't work in sparring, but didn't blame it on ineffectiveness, but on inexperience. Some of our blackbelts had experience of 30+ years, so I thought that it would just take half a life time to get the real hang on it and was in for the ride. Tbf it wasn't a McDojo, but more of a very traditional martial art and some of the things we learned were very practical, so it was tough to tell bs from valid technique. But because I'm a completionist and wanted to follow Bruce Lee's way of "incorporate what works" this line of thinking had me open for a lot of other bs (pressure points, wristlockchains, some chi bs, etc) in other martial arts and I approached everything with the idea "huh, this seems unusual, but probably simply takes like 30 years to learn. Let's put it in the vault for later. It will make me more complete at some point". Luckily I started fighting MMA on the side in between and slowly realized that some stuff doesn't come with experience, but simply doesn't work. I was lucky I guess 😅
See, in my experience, the gym.I went to didn't utilize only wrist locks and didn't use pressure points outside of thr knee guard escape, as a tool but not the end all of self defense. Maybe because my instructors were Muay thai trained, a purple belt ib BJJ another instructor was a 30 year black belt in small circle JJ and a former IDF captain. They focused on conditioning, effective high percentage strikes and encouraged free rolling after class under the bjj and small circle guys eye
But was it denial of reality, or simply a lack of awareness of it? I know for me it was the latter for sure. I also did Krav Maga, and Ed Parker Kenpo and JKD because I just thought that was the best stuff for actual self-defense, and boxing and mma seemed like sport to me. Took me a good while to realize that just..well, ain’t so!
Look at the covid fear mongering and how people against the vaccine were treated. A bunch of educated elitists thinking they couldn't be fooled by what they deem to be a con man cult leader advocated for stripping people of their jobs, their rights, and even often of their lives if they didn't adhere to the doctrine... There's the cult.
As an subscriber of McDojoLife I used very good and very entertaining content. But in this video, that was the most instructive Rob I've seen so far. Respect and more respect! 👌🏻
This video finally let something click in my head that I was never really able to put a finger on. This is gonna be a short essay and honestly it's mostly for myself to focus my thoughts, but if you want to read along, I'd be glad. I trained a sub branch of Hapkido that contains a lot of esoteric woo for about 11 years, starting at the age of 9. The tricky thing about this martial art and it's instructors is that they aren't conmen, but genuinely believe in what they teach. Even the "grandmaster" at the top to this day seems genuin to me personally. And since it's Hapkido, a lot of the things they teach are 100% valid: The kicks are great (pretty much the same as in Taekwondo). Most punches follow the same mechanic as Karate, so it's not 100% applicable, but the foundation is solid. They teach very proper knee and elbow striking (pretty much the same base techniques they use in Muay Thai). About 50% of the takedowns are practical (mostly sweeps, shoulder throws, hip tosses and even double legs at a higher belt level). It has a lot of submission holds (mostly jointlocks though). They teach very proper break falling, tumbling and overall gymnastics. And they have a lot of applicable weapon techniques, mostly for bos. Additionally a lot of meditation and breathing exercises that honestly are pretty good for focus and body awareness. I don't use them for martial arts, but it does wonders for relaxation and concentrating on desk work 😅 On the other hand they also teach: Pressure points (mostly for pain affliction in the beginning, but with very esoteric bs at the higher levels (f.e. strike here on the arm and his bladder will be affected..........)) Katas which bunkai make 0 sense and that are justified by esoteric sometimes (this technique links heaven, your heart and the earth, etc) Disarms that are 100% non functional (only at blackbelt though). A ton of throws and submissions that rely on partner compliance (pretty much Aikido). Less than a bare minimum of Sparring (no protection gear and only super light to no contact and also only on the higher belt levels) Lots of esoteric philosophy that's mandatory to learn for belt tests (some of it actually was quite good. Respect the elder, leave your ego outside of the dojang, be kind and gentle, always help each other, etc., but there was also "heal the nature with laughter and breathing", "let go of any ambitions and don't work out in a gym because that's vanity", be 100% open and "respectful" towards this and every other martial art (it's no the martial art, but the practicioner), homeopathy(!), non scientific accupressure, etc) So overall this martial art is a very mixed bag to say the least. On the one hand it definitely made me healthy, athletic and taught me some stuff that I use in sparring to this day. On the other hand it taught me some real bad habits, and totally f*cked my sense for critical thinking in regards to martial arts. What added to this is that my teachers were genuinely great. They were motivating, competent in didactics and knew their stuff. Problem was that their stuff was about 60% crap. As Rob said, my and also their will to keep learning was the downfall here. They fell victim to it and passed it on to me. I had no way of telling what was good technique and what was crap, since everything was taught with complete dedication. This became a bigger issue when I discovered different martial arts at some point and started learning everything I could. Including absolute nonsense (kubotan techniques, static trapping drills, more pressure point nonsense, etc), because I simply couldn't tell the difference. Everything was equally valid, right? It took me many many years, during I already trained and fought MMA, BJJ and Kickboxing, to slowly figure out that a lot I learned was crap, because if something didn't work in sparring, I blamed it on inexperience. My old teachers simply taught me that some techniques take decades to master (especially the esoteric bs of course) and that they still worked on some of it themselves and hoped to master it in the future. So if my wristlock takedown or my knife hand slash lead to me getting punched in the face in MMA class, I blamed it on myself and not the technique. I never had the enlighting "wait! This is bullshit!" moment so many people describe, but more of a slow realization over many years of learning and growing up (critical theory class in Uni did wonders 😅). What I'm getting at here is what Rob highlighted. The will to learn/get educated is the issue. What's highlighted by martial arts critics most of the time, especially on RUclips and reddit, is the laziness of the victim: "I don't want to get punched in the face. Oh, there's a way to KO someone without touching them? Great!" "push ups are haaard! Oh, this punch works 100% and needs no athleticism? Sweet!" I always took issue with that, because it's not just victim blaming, but also in my case simply not accurate. I know there are people who fell for frauds/bad teachings, because they were looking for short cuts, but in my case the will to learn and to become a "complete" martial artist was the actual issue and I don't think I'm alone there. In my case the martial art just was flawed at the core, but taught with a non malicious intent, but if frauds do this, it becomes really problematic. People always highlight George Dillman's no touch bs, but the man is also a legit martial artist and probably teaches practical technique in his class next to the chi woo. I 100% think that man is a fraud and he probably hides his bs with pracical elements. So the martial arts community as a whole needs to address this issue more specifically to improve. The "empty cup", "respect every aspect", "trust your teacher", etc is all valid to a degree and can't just be discarded, but everything still needs to be watched with a base line of respectful scepticism. And to find that base line is really tough. Especially when you're still a novice and just began to figure the field out and if your guides in the field are either frauds or never figured out this base line themselves. And at some point the sunk cost fallacy kicks in. My old teachers spent their whole life learning and teaching a flawed martial art. There's very likely no way of convincing them to discard most of it at this point. That would mean admitting to living a lie and most people understandably can't do that. So I'm honestly pretty pessimistic about getting rid of bad practice in the martial arts community. Besides actual cults and frauds there are so many people convinced in their bad practice, who will keep passing on their knowledge, that no amount of criticism and guidance will ever be enough. Which isn't a reason to not keep trying. But it's way more of an uphill battle than I thought it was until now.
It's not a problem limited to martial arts, I think. Social expectation to respect your elders and figures of authority, the idea that disagreement is inherently disrespectful, and the desire the "fit in" all contribute to stagnation in various fields.
Phony martial arts schools are pretty timid compared to most cults. At least students are having fun and not forced to drink goat piss or something like that
That Outro is absolutely brilliant. Thank you for the psychological analysis. It makes a lot more sense now. These people are not generic idiots. They are just dealing with Experienced masters of manipulating trust
Another vital factor, con artist steer away from certain personalities, disagreeable people mostly. I've left seminars, called out instructors in their faces in front of everyone, and mocked their techniques, people called me rude, but it turns out, I'm just an aspie with very low agreeable traits. I love crashing masters and fucking up their bullshit. Specially kravmaga guys now that I work in combatives and self defence. Learn to embrace friction, and you'll help those around you by being the right kind of asshole.
This is why training another skill, Critical Thinking, is so important (in fact probably more important than training martial arts, no offense lol). Semper fi, brother.
Pure, unbridled talent! By saving half of it for a Part 2 and by cutting a ton of material. He gave a ton of advice on how to run a martial arts business and I cut most of it
I think alot of people get sold on the myth of martial arts. watching Bruce lee or Donny Yen beat up a room full of karate blackbelts and not only win, but suffer zero damage really sells that mythology. it's not too hard a leap to make going from "i want to learn karate" to "how do i throw fireballs?".
I had a HS teacher, who was in the Coast Guard. He was homeroom teacher, covered whatever needed to be taught out of a book. First (should have been) red flag, was telling us he did the Navy SEALs hell week because we were reading "Lone Survivor" for a class. Second, he would teach gym on occasion and made us meditate, telling us to feel the warmth of our chi generating in our palms, the warmer the stronger, blablabla. Third, I was dating a girl who was totally attracted to him, he offered her a private piano lesson at her house. I finally caught onto these flags, and went with her, at which point he cancelled. Years later he was convicted of sexual soliciation of a minor.
When I took up boxing there was a great deal of getting humbled like seriously a lot lol. It was good for me though you really need to see how much you have to learn to really start learning. I thought I'm a good wrestler I'm athletic punching can't be that hard. Turns out yeah its pretty hard to get good at. Not that bad to get okay at but tough to get good at, because you can't go all out very often.
(Sarcastic comment) I'm a thief, I'm stealing knowledge and experiences from people's video. I subscribed!!! to absorb your knowledge. I conned you into feeding me knowledge, it's up to me to decipher what you are posting that is knowledgable or useless. The more I watch, the more I con you to making more videos! Unless you block me then I've been duped! Good video, nice to see Rob but I was surprised to see Hard2Hurt! What a bonus!
I used to do Shotokai karate for 12 years, still dip into it sometimes. I don't regret doing it but I've never seen people so in love with their style and basically conning themselves. Because I've been out of those circles now I can see all the bullshit exercises and ego demos for what they are. The funny thing was was that a lot of them seemed to believe they were onto something. It was scary how much I bought into it when I was younger. Also it wasn't even a con per se, it was just a bunch of guys who like to feel important going about saying how important and clever the stuff they taught was. Looking back now I can see all of the character querks, It did start out well. Hard training, you left sweating, developed a mindset. Then they just thought they were better than all of that and suddenly all the hard stuff was out the window and it was sensitivity training and concentating on stupid little details that made no difference and thinking they were great for noticing. Went back for a watch a few years ago, might have went to see a crop field the amount of manure was spread about
The money part is really a nice detail. I've trained in somewhere similar to a "soviet program" well, I put between quootes because it was a similar govnerment program in Brazil, not in U.S.S.R times. The sensei was paid by the govnerment a fixed ammount, so no matter if he had 3 or 300 students he wouldn't get more or less money, in fact having more students would be even worse for him.
In my younger years, i trained military style tae kwon do everyday under a very high level sensei. After not being in the school after a yr, i trained on my own for years. At around 15 yrs old my 16 yr old friend who trained ishinru but not as much as me saw an ishinru class open in our town. Im 5'8". My friend 5"10". At the time i was a skinny rint weighing 100lbs. We go into the veiwing part of this class... And omg🤦 This "black belt" teacher around 6'4" weighong a good 300 not muscle is teaching this class. Every movment was just sad. No real technique. No balance. No snap in his punches/kicks has these grown ups and little kids training together. He starts teaching a hip toss and uses a 9yr old 4'5" 50 lb kid as an example. The kid so small that the guy is popping his hip into the kids rib and just throwing him 2' over onto the ground HARD. and screaming "KIAHA". At this point im covering my face (because like yall just oointed out ya dont wanna be disrespectful). The guy proceeds to see a crowd watching n decides to show off. For some reason there was a chain hanging from the ceiling like what would be used to hold a heavy bag but it drapes to about my hip level "im 5'8"). This 6'4" guy starts snap kicking at the tip of the chain and misses it like 4 times then hits it on the 5th and it flops a tiny bit and he screams "kiaha" like he just accomplished a huge feat. I couldnt help the laughter and the guy said "you can leave". I said "ok thank you". My friend who had quit as a yellow belt in that guys art walked out with me laughing like "dude im 16 n an ex yellow belt who can punch, kick, and throw better than that guy" i said "yup".
Just discovered your channel and I find it quite good. Any chance you make a vid about which martial arts are suitable for 40somethings with no fighting experience but who want to try some ma for fitness and some self defense? Thnx,🤓
This is highly similar to cybersecurity. You have people just trying to do their job, and others who try to use social engineering in order to get that person to leak sensitive info.
9:12 that's not true, at least for the jiu-jitsu schools that I know. Your first, trial class, you'll just join the class as best you can, no one-on-one class with the instructor. You'll get some tips on how to do some of the warm up moves, and then be gently submitted over and over again by people of all sizes, ages and belt colours. As a result, you leave the room with your ego busted to dust, and hopefully with a desire to learn that stuff so you can do that to others too, and that's why you'll keep coming back for more, thus joining the club.
As someone that trains in traditional Kung fu, I really hate it people oooh and ahhh people with the concept of chi. It really makes us legitimate practitioners look bad. For anyone that may not know, chi is a fancy word for controlling your breathing while focusing your mind. You know that master carpenter that can drive a nail in wood with one shot from a hammer? He's practicing chi. He focuses his mind while controlling his breathing at the same time while that nail goes in the wood. Pro boxes practice chi, they just call it focusing your mind with proper breath control. Tiger Woods used chi while doing his thing on the golf course. Nothing mystical.
I have been learned that chi is just energy, if you controll your brething and focus your mind youre strike will be better and therefore harder but the chi in it is the impact energy that you genereate in the punch the brething and focusing (consentration) is the way to achive that good hard punch, so when someone slaps your hand and say "did you feel that, thats chi" they are not talking shit it is chi (energy)
In a Martial Art school / studio, if the instructor is fair enough, he will ask a new comer to fight him on a sparring basis. I would do that if I were the instructor. At least, I would like to know the background of my new student. I do not care, if I lose in the fight; and very happy to let the new comer go away from my place with his pride. At least, I have not cheated anyone. - The thing I said is not from my imagination. I was first taught in martial art by a Japanese teacher who was a veteran asking me to fight him for money; which I would get bucks if I could taken him down (not like DEMO or step-by-step hilarious/stupid fight). - He was smaller and much older than me, but I lost in the fight that time; where I learned that skills in real fights really mattered. I was forced to compete (every 15 days) with colleagues with no protective tools/guards in this school, as the requirement to pass the level tests, where I learned that suffering pain from competition was in vain. I think this kind of test is not available nowadays, but it was 25 years ago. - After learning with him for around 4 years, I started Muay Thai but did not train hard like those who want to join the ring fights. I love to learn martial arts; but not to fight or for defense. 🙏
Anyone can get conned under the right circumstances. remember that jim browining who catches scammers on a daily basis was scammed and conned into taking down his own youtube vids. This guy is a master at catching con artist and he states that no one should ever think they're above being scammed/conned, bc that mindset will open you up to potentially being conned yourself. Martial arts unfortunately is a field where con artist can thrive, as it would be difficult to double check some information that is given to you and also martial arts not standardized. Even high level places sometimes give shit/con advice. Let tell yall, a lot of times just like McDojolife said in the vid, when you enter a space and you're seeking solutions or want to learn, you will believe anything someone says. Entering a domain that you are not familiar with and then knowing that the person who your are communicating with is a "professional" in their field, you may unconscioulsy submit yourself to what they teach you. (and that makes sense because even when you learn from people who don't con you, as in moral professionals, you have to do the same thing.) I work in the healthcare field and I've seen how people shut down their mind bc of my title and bc of the positions others around me hold. I've worked with absolutely brilliant RN who didnt go to school for more than 2 years but who will give some of the best/scientifically sound advice, now on the other end of that spectrum, I have also seen Drs who are held in high regards give outdated, misguided or straight up wrong/sometimes immoral advice. Before I worked with Drs I thought of them as these super intelligent people who know everything to know about medicine. Now I see that some of them are essentially glorified body mechanics who are stuck on the idea of giving medicine to control symptoms and not address the problem (yes there are plenty of good doctors too). With my titile now, I could literally sell people(of all levels of educational backgrounds), some 'special magic tools' that I would vouch and promise will fix their back problems and they'll come back to me a few weeks later swearing it worked! Now obviously I don't do that bc its moral and illegal, but let me tell everyone, I worked for very well respected places that are essentially selling you snake oil and doing just that. Now some of these places are prestigious institutions who just happen to have bad apples slip in, but other places are complete scams from top to bottom. It's so crazy that unless you're on the other side, you might think it's a conspiracy theory. I couldn't believe it myself for the longest time until I was placed in some of these locations as student, and when I attempted to call them out, I was quickly reprimanded. Anyhow, my advice to everyone who wants to avoid any type of con is to question things and do some research. If things don't start adding up, you might need to re-evaluate your situation. Fake information will break under scrutiny. If they can't provide you answers, it might be time to call it quits. Now don't think the entire world is out to scam you, but know some ppl will and also like was stated in this vid, that you're not above being conned.
Thing is, even totally legit places (boxing or BJJ clubs) can be rather culty. It’s totally unnecessary to bow to a picture of some dead Brazilian fascist in order to learn to grapple, but that absolutely goes on in some bjj schools
I experienced that in a Chinese martial arts school. The material was very simple and practical, very competent instructor who knew his stuff, lots of hands on applications and sparring, the guy was 100% legit and skilled. But the way he ran his school was like a cult, martial arts was like some kind of Waco Texas religion to him. I didn't even quit his school, I just never came back to avoid any confrontations.
Don't you feel like people choose to participate in a lie. It seems to me that in most eras and most things the majority participates in a lie to cop a feeling rather than a reality. I think the student has to decide to seek reality and the guru has little power. This isn't about victim blaming. Thing is you can't control the guru, you control yourself as a student and the choices you make.
Also a lot of people have the benefit of the doubt, they don't know anything about a topic that's why they try to believe. Bullshido has btw a lot of similarities with MLMs and similar
MATT THORNTON does a lot of talking about this topic. You should have Matt on your show. People join shit martial arts for these reasons: 1) too lazy to work at the real sports 2) they want something "smarter" than the real sports (usually due to 1 above) 3) ...thats mostly it.
You need to be patient with them and let them know that if and when they decide to leave, they will have friends and family waiting for them. Do not pressure them or give them ultimatums as they will probably just close the door themselves. People who get stuck in cults often do so because they feel they have nowhere else to go and the cult is the only group that even comes close to caring about them. Avoid calling it a cult (which is a bit of a loaded and misleading term anyway- a more technical term is "high control group") but let them know you have concerns about what they are doing and what is going on. Recognise that some cults are more destructive than others and the majority aren't Jonestown or the Manson family so there usually is no need for urgency, and also recognise that whatever the nature of the cult they are probably getting "something" out of it that they might not be getting elsewhere. It might help to be at least somewhat open minded about the cult and learn what you can about it, particularly from the person you are worried about, without getting wrapped up in or involved in it yourself, as this makes it easier to speak to them and they to you. Also, brutal truth- almost anything can be or become "cult-like" under the right circumstances. It's more to do with the atmosphere than whether or not the thing is just a swindle, so don't think if they leave a cult then the problem is somehow solved or that they (or even you) are not part of anything else that is somewhat cult-like.
Unfortunately mcdojos are so prevalent because they are significantly more effective at making money. If a student walks into a dojo and immediately gets smashed the first day of class they are probably going to leave with a bruised ego and are going to seek out a dojo that teaches self defense "short cuts" where the whole class is just drilling techniques and there is never any live drilling. Making someone think they know how to fight is more lucrative than teaching someone how to actually fight
He provided a commune. His model was based on feeding on those particular groups so they had to rely on him. As I stated in the video “Typically” Every cult leader is different and has a different way of operating but in order to make this video watchable and not 6 hours long I couldn’t go i to all the semantics.
It's more of a religious / spiritual concept with thousands of years of history than a theory, but yes just because someone teaches Qi does not mean they are a con artist, or that they don't genuinely believe in it. There are plenty of scam artists and con artists who teach the exact opposite and preach a hardcore system that is supposedly "legit" and "realistic" and miles better than traditional martial arts.
"Broke people don't join cults" is the most incorrect thing I've ever heard in my life. Some religions, like Scientology, do go after high-value targets, e.g. celebrity multi-millionaires. Others, like Christianity and Islam, go after poor and uneducated people. You don't always need to get money directly from the people in the cult. If you have a broad enough base, the political power you gain from controlling them is worth it. And you can still scam poor people for small individual donations, or free labor.
@@gilgameshkingofheroes5903 "That's because there's easy or even necessary access to religion." What do you mean? "It belongs to the culture." You're saying religion is a part of the culture of a group of people or country? Yes, religion is part of that. Though not immutable; you can have one religion, many religions, no religion, religions that contradict each other, or even religions that can be simultaneously held by a single person without conflict, all in the same culture.
@@TheMisterGuy You don't need to look for a church. Typically, you are already being raised in one. If not, you'll have one close to you. You can't put some guy in a garage on the same level as a church. Access is quite literally easy. Correct.
Kind of pointless demonstration! Very confusing! But a lot of words. Still I like you very much and try to cheep my dojo as you say “legit” not a macdojo!
All of my comments on your channel is that you speak in absolutes and I think you are not as right as you think you are. You only have a little information. But I stopped caring. I already know you have your mind made up and you'll just back track when the mma community has to do it again because they've been wrong about a lot and forgot they talked down about all martial arts pretty much at one moment or another.
You may not like it, but clear and direct statements are better presentation-wise. Lots of caveats and addendums are simply tangents that will confuse your audience and distract from your main point. Also, when you briefly touch on tangential stuff, you'll get people nit-picking at what you "left out," no matter how irrelevant those details are to the main topic. Chasing those rabbits will result in an hour long video with no point or structure. When making media, you've got to make a point and stick to it.
Chael Sonnen? He's a polished speaker, but objectively wrong about half the stuff that comes out of his mouth. Like saying heel hooks have never been used in the UFC when there's an official UFC highlight reel of like...15 heel hook submissions. That's not even an opinion. It's just lack of research.
"Why do People follow idiots?". Ask Hitler supporters!!! .....but Really G'mork from The Neverending Story said it best: "Because people who have no hopes are easy to control; and whoever has the control… has the power!"
Appreciate you having me on. Really enjoyed it and looking forward to doing more collabs later
Best outro song by the way 😂
I enjoyed it! It's rare that someone tells me stuff about martial arts that I know nothing about lol
I would love to collab in the future!
Thanks for coming bro. I appreciate your insight. Was a major eye-opener
@@maxanderson3733 was a great time and needs to happen more often for sure
I already had immense respect for Rob and his crusade, but this moment at 6:16 took it to another level 😂 My dude if you ever come to Portugal, beers on me💪
As a former Krav Maga brainlet and believer in realistic self defense. I will 100% say that my old mindset was denial of reality. I wanted an easy shortcut to fighting well and didn't wanna believe that it took years of training and athletic cultivation to be a good fighter.
For me it was the exact other way. I realized that a lot of things we practiced at my school didn't work in sparring, but didn't blame it on ineffectiveness, but on inexperience. Some of our blackbelts had experience of 30+ years, so I thought that it would just take half a life time to get the real hang on it and was in for the ride. Tbf it wasn't a McDojo, but more of a very traditional martial art and some of the things we learned were very practical, so it was tough to tell bs from valid technique. But because I'm a completionist and wanted to follow Bruce Lee's way of "incorporate what works" this line of thinking had me open for a lot of other bs (pressure points, wristlockchains, some chi bs, etc) in other martial arts and I approached everything with the idea "huh, this seems unusual, but probably simply takes like 30 years to learn. Let's put it in the vault for later. It will make me more complete at some point". Luckily I started fighting MMA on the side in between and slowly realized that some stuff doesn't come with experience, but simply doesn't work. I was lucky I guess 😅
See, in my experience, the gym.I went to didn't utilize only wrist locks and didn't use pressure points outside of thr knee guard escape, as a tool but not the end all of self defense.
Maybe because my instructors were Muay thai trained, a purple belt ib BJJ another instructor was a 30 year black belt in small circle JJ and a former IDF captain.
They focused on conditioning, effective high percentage strikes and encouraged free rolling after class under the bjj and small circle guys eye
But was it denial of reality, or simply a lack of awareness of it? I know for me it was the latter for sure. I also did Krav Maga, and Ed Parker Kenpo and JKD because I just thought that was the best stuff for actual self-defense, and boxing and mma seemed like sport to me. Took me a good while to realize that just..well, ain’t so!
How many martial artists does it take to change a lightbulb?
10
1 to change it, and 9 to criticize saying that wouldn't work on the streets.
and one more to tell everyone how to do it wrong
"People can't steel your money if you don't have any money". - MR. Violence🤣🤣
I learned so much about the psyche of humans from Rob. I'm terrified at how easy it is.
Look at the covid fear mongering and how people against the vaccine were treated. A bunch of educated elitists thinking they couldn't be fooled by what they deem to be a con man cult leader advocated for stripping people of their jobs, their rights, and even often of their lives if they didn't adhere to the doctrine...
There's the cult.
This is another reason why they're so anti-competition. Because competition makes it hard to keep things subjective.
As a magician, I can tell you the easiest people to fool are educated adults, kids are the hardest
As an subscriber of McDojoLife I used very good and very entertaining content. But in this video, that was the most instructive Rob I've seen so far. Respect and more respect! 👌🏻
Thank you for the support
I've found myself in two martial arts cults. Ended up getting kicked out for the same reasons ironically
That's the answer on how to avoid cults! Just be annoying enough to get kicked out! 🤣
tell the story ?
An Armchair Violence video talking to Mcdojolife in Hard2Hurts gym. Welcome to musical chairs youtube lol. Great video as always though!
This video finally let something click in my head that I was never really able to put a finger on. This is gonna be a short essay and honestly it's mostly for myself to focus my thoughts, but if you want to read along, I'd be glad.
I trained a sub branch of Hapkido that contains a lot of esoteric woo for about 11 years, starting at the age of 9. The tricky thing about this martial art and it's instructors is that they aren't conmen, but genuinely believe in what they teach. Even the "grandmaster" at the top to this day seems genuin to me personally. And since it's Hapkido, a lot of the things they teach are 100% valid:
The kicks are great (pretty much the same as in Taekwondo).
Most punches follow the same mechanic as Karate, so it's not 100% applicable, but the foundation is solid.
They teach very proper knee and elbow striking (pretty much the same base techniques they use in Muay Thai).
About 50% of the takedowns are practical (mostly sweeps, shoulder throws, hip tosses and even double legs at a higher belt level).
It has a lot of submission holds (mostly jointlocks though).
They teach very proper break falling, tumbling and overall gymnastics.
And they have a lot of applicable weapon techniques, mostly for bos.
Additionally a lot of meditation and breathing exercises that honestly are pretty good for focus and body awareness. I don't use them for martial arts, but it does wonders for relaxation and concentrating on desk work 😅
On the other hand they also teach:
Pressure points (mostly for pain affliction in the beginning, but with very esoteric bs at the higher levels (f.e. strike here on the arm and his bladder will be affected..........))
Katas which bunkai make 0 sense and that are justified by esoteric sometimes (this technique links heaven, your heart and the earth, etc)
Disarms that are 100% non functional (only at blackbelt though).
A ton of throws and submissions that rely on partner compliance (pretty much Aikido).
Less than a bare minimum of Sparring (no protection gear and only super light to no contact and also only on the higher belt levels)
Lots of esoteric philosophy that's mandatory to learn for belt tests (some of it actually was quite good. Respect the elder, leave your ego outside of the dojang, be kind and gentle, always help each other, etc., but there was also "heal the nature with laughter and breathing", "let go of any ambitions and don't work out in a gym because that's vanity", be 100% open and "respectful" towards this and every other martial art (it's no the martial art, but the practicioner), homeopathy(!), non scientific accupressure, etc)
So overall this martial art is a very mixed bag to say the least. On the one hand it definitely made me healthy, athletic and taught me some stuff that I use in sparring to this day. On the other hand it taught me some real bad habits, and totally f*cked my sense for critical thinking in regards to martial arts. What added to this is that my teachers were genuinely great. They were motivating, competent in didactics and knew their stuff. Problem was that their stuff was about 60% crap. As Rob said, my and also their will to keep learning was the downfall here. They fell victim to it and passed it on to me. I had no way of telling what was good technique and what was crap, since everything was taught with complete dedication. This became a bigger issue when I discovered different martial arts at some point and started learning everything I could. Including absolute nonsense (kubotan techniques, static trapping drills, more pressure point nonsense, etc), because I simply couldn't tell the difference. Everything was equally valid, right? It took me many many years, during I already trained and fought MMA, BJJ and Kickboxing, to slowly figure out that a lot I learned was crap, because if something didn't work in sparring, I blamed it on inexperience. My old teachers simply taught me that some techniques take decades to master (especially the esoteric bs of course) and that they still worked on some of it themselves and hoped to master it in the future. So if my wristlock takedown or my knife hand slash lead to me getting punched in the face in MMA class, I blamed it on myself and not the technique. I never had the enlighting "wait! This is bullshit!" moment so many people describe, but more of a slow realization over many years of learning and growing up (critical theory class in Uni did wonders 😅).
What I'm getting at here is what Rob highlighted. The will to learn/get educated is the issue. What's highlighted by martial arts critics most of the time, especially on RUclips and reddit, is the laziness of the victim:
"I don't want to get punched in the face. Oh, there's a way to KO someone without touching them? Great!"
"push ups are haaard! Oh, this punch works 100% and needs no athleticism? Sweet!"
I always took issue with that, because it's not just victim blaming, but also in my case simply not accurate. I know there are people who fell for frauds/bad teachings, because they were looking for short cuts, but in my case the will to learn and to become a "complete" martial artist was the actual issue and I don't think I'm alone there. In my case the martial art just was flawed at the core, but taught with a non malicious intent, but if frauds do this, it becomes really problematic. People always highlight George Dillman's no touch bs, but the man is also a legit martial artist and probably teaches practical technique in his class next to the chi woo. I 100% think that man is a fraud and he probably hides his bs with pracical elements.
So the martial arts community as a whole needs to address this issue more specifically to improve. The "empty cup", "respect every aspect", "trust your teacher", etc is all valid to a degree and can't just be discarded, but everything still needs to be watched with a base line of respectful scepticism. And to find that base line is really tough. Especially when you're still a novice and just began to figure the field out and if your guides in the field are either frauds or never figured out this base line themselves. And at some point the sunk cost fallacy kicks in. My old teachers spent their whole life learning and teaching a flawed martial art. There's very likely no way of convincing them to discard most of it at this point. That would mean admitting to living a lie and most people understandably can't do that. So I'm honestly pretty pessimistic about getting rid of bad practice in the martial arts community. Besides actual cults and frauds there are so many people convinced in their bad practice, who will keep passing on their knowledge, that no amount of criticism and guidance will ever be enough. Which isn't a reason to not keep trying. But it's way more of an uphill battle than I thought it was until now.
It's not a problem limited to martial arts, I think. Social expectation to respect your elders and figures of authority, the idea that disagreement is inherently disrespectful, and the desire the "fit in" all contribute to stagnation in various fields.
Phony martial arts schools are pretty timid compared to most cults. At least students are having fun and not forced to drink goat piss or something like that
The Sanchez-Fabia situation was sad asf. Diego is a legend and it was sad to see him leave the ufc like that...
It's really weird for me to see Rob from the chest down
Great stuff! This is way beyond martial arts. This is about human psychology and the predictable failures of the human mind.
That Outro is absolutely brilliant. Thank you for the psychological analysis. It makes a lot more sense now. These people are not generic idiots. They are just dealing with Experienced masters of manipulating trust
Your outro music is absolutely incredible and perhaps my favourite part of the internet at this time (this video was also good!)
Another vital factor, con artist steer away from certain personalities, disagreeable people mostly. I've left seminars, called out instructors in their faces in front of everyone, and mocked their techniques, people called me rude, but it turns out, I'm just an aspie with very low agreeable traits. I love crashing masters and fucking up their bullshit. Specially kravmaga guys now that I work in combatives and self defence. Learn to embrace friction, and you'll help those around you by being the right kind of asshole.
This is why training another skill, Critical Thinking, is so important (in fact probably more important than training martial arts, no offense lol).
Semper fi, brother.
Your channels growing super fast
I know! I'm very excited! 😁 I'm almost making a small amount of money from this lol
…how did you make this into a 12 minute video?
Pure, unbridled talent!
By saving half of it for a Part 2 and by cutting a ton of material. He gave a ton of advice on how to run a martial arts business and I cut most of it
Take notes Seth! 😉🤣
@@SemperFi_EDC_Guy 😂😂😂😂
I think alot of people get sold on the myth of martial arts.
watching Bruce lee or Donny Yen beat up a room full of karate blackbelts and not only win, but suffer zero damage really sells that mythology.
it's not too hard a leap to make going from "i want to learn karate" to "how do i throw fireballs?".
Amazing content, I love this colab videos!
I had a HS teacher, who was in the Coast Guard. He was homeroom teacher, covered whatever needed to be taught out of a book. First (should have been) red flag, was telling us he did the Navy SEALs hell week because we were reading "Lone Survivor" for a class. Second, he would teach gym on occasion and made us meditate, telling us to feel the warmth of our chi generating in our palms, the warmer the stronger, blablabla. Third, I was dating a girl who was totally attracted to him, he offered her a private piano lesson at her house. I finally caught onto these flags, and went with her, at which point he cancelled. Years later he was convicted of sexual soliciation of a minor.
And it ain't just martial arts, it's life too.
When I took up boxing there was a great deal of getting humbled like seriously a lot lol. It was good for me though you really need to see how much you have to learn to really start learning. I thought I'm a good wrestler I'm athletic punching can't be that hard. Turns out yeah its pretty hard to get good at. Not that bad to get okay at but tough to get good at, because you can't go all out very often.
(Sarcastic comment) I'm a thief, I'm stealing knowledge and experiences from people's video. I subscribed!!! to absorb your knowledge. I conned you into feeding me knowledge, it's up to me to decipher what you are posting that is knowledgable or useless. The more I watch, the more I con you to making more videos! Unless you block me then I've been duped! Good video, nice to see Rob but I was surprised to see Hard2Hurt! What a bonus!
Educated, well-off men. Sounds like the sort of people I met at the Tai Chi seminars I’ve attended.
Rob and the few seconds of Iceymike are the best parts or the video. Always good to hear Rob go in depth about the psychology behind cults.
Holy shit that outro song will never get old xD.
I used to do Shotokai karate for 12 years, still dip into it sometimes. I don't regret doing it but I've never seen people so in love with their style and basically conning themselves. Because I've been out of those circles now I can see all the bullshit exercises and ego demos for what they are.
The funny thing was was that a lot of them seemed to believe they were onto something. It was scary how much I bought into it when I was younger. Also it wasn't even a con per se, it was just a bunch of guys who like to feel important going about saying how important and clever the stuff they taught was. Looking back now I can see all of the character querks,
It did start out well. Hard training, you left sweating, developed a mindset. Then they just thought they were better than all of that and suddenly all the hard stuff was out the window and it was sensitivity training and concentating on stupid little details that made no difference and thinking they were great for noticing.
Went back for a watch a few years ago, might have went to see a crop field the amount of manure was spread about
What the heck i haven't been notified of my mans uploads. Keep it man you're bad ass
Really good video great content Love the song at the end
This conversation is pure gold.
Piano man at the end Is Amazing...even better then the original one
This is an incredibly helpful & education video ^^ Great content as always man!
this was extremly insightful.
Oh my god your song at the end haha
The money part is really a nice detail.
I've trained in somewhere similar to a "soviet program" well, I put between quootes because it was a similar govnerment program in Brazil, not in U.S.S.R times.
The sensei was paid by the govnerment a fixed ammount, so no matter if he had 3 or 300 students he wouldn't get more or less money, in fact having more students would be even worse for him.
In my younger years, i trained military style tae kwon do everyday under a very high level sensei. After not being in the school after a yr, i trained on my own for years.
At around 15 yrs old my 16 yr old friend who trained ishinru but not as much as me saw an ishinru class open in our town.
Im 5'8". My friend 5"10". At the time i was a skinny rint weighing 100lbs.
We go into the veiwing part of this class... And omg🤦
This "black belt" teacher around 6'4" weighong a good 300 not muscle is teaching this class. Every movment was just sad. No real technique. No balance. No snap in his punches/kicks has these grown ups and little kids training together. He starts teaching a hip toss and uses a 9yr old 4'5" 50 lb kid as an example. The kid so small that the guy is popping his hip into the kids rib and just throwing him 2' over onto the ground HARD. and screaming "KIAHA".
At this point im covering my face (because like yall just oointed out ya dont wanna be disrespectful).
The guy proceeds to see a crowd watching n decides to show off.
For some reason there was a chain hanging from the ceiling like what would be used to hold a heavy bag but it drapes to about my hip level "im 5'8").
This 6'4" guy starts snap kicking at the tip of the chain and misses it like 4 times then hits it on the 5th and it flops a tiny bit and he screams "kiaha" like he just accomplished a huge feat. I couldnt help the laughter and the guy said "you can leave". I said "ok thank you".
My friend who had quit as a yellow belt in that guys art walked out with me laughing like "dude im 16 n an ex yellow belt who can punch, kick, and throw better than that guy" i said "yup".
There's probably a whole book to be written about that first question
Awesome video. That’s a really cool look at how con artist work.
Watching this video made me wanna go sign up at a mcdojo and build my chi and secret internal powers
Just discovered your channel and I find it quite good. Any chance you make a vid about which martial arts are suitable for 40somethings with no fighting experience but who want to try some ma for fitness and some self defense? Thnx,🤓
We need a full version of the outro
This is highly similar to cybersecurity. You have people just trying to do their job, and others who try to use social engineering in order to get that person to leak sensitive info.
10:44
Yep that's Sales 101.
9:12 that's not true, at least for the jiu-jitsu schools that I know. Your first, trial class, you'll just join the class as best you can, no one-on-one class with the instructor. You'll get some tips on how to do some of the warm up moves, and then be gently submitted over and over again by people of all sizes, ages and belt colours. As a result, you leave the room with your ego busted to dust, and hopefully with a desire to learn that stuff so you can do that to others too, and that's why you'll keep coming back for more, thus joining the club.
It’s like hypnotism. It only works on the willing. You can’t force them into a cult
As someone that trains in traditional Kung fu, I really hate it people oooh and ahhh people with the concept of chi. It really makes us legitimate practitioners look bad. For anyone that may not know, chi is a fancy word for controlling your breathing while focusing your mind. You know that master carpenter that can drive a nail in wood with one shot from a hammer? He's practicing chi. He focuses his mind while controlling his breathing at the same time while that nail goes in the wood. Pro boxes practice chi, they just call it focusing your mind with proper breath control.
Tiger Woods used chi while doing his thing on the golf course. Nothing mystical.
I have been learned that chi is just energy, if you controll your brething and focus your mind youre strike will be better and therefore harder but the chi in it is the impact energy that you genereate in the punch the brething and focusing (consentration) is the way to achive that good hard punch, so when someone slaps your hand and say "did you feel that, thats chi" they are not talking shit it is chi (energy)
Great colab.!
In a Martial Art school / studio, if the instructor is fair enough, he will ask a new comer to fight him on a sparring basis. I would do that if I were the instructor. At least, I would like to know the background of my new student. I do not care, if I lose in the fight; and very happy to let the new comer go away from my place with his pride. At least, I have not cheated anyone.
- The thing I said is not from my imagination. I was first taught in martial art by a Japanese teacher who was a veteran asking me to fight him for money; which I would get bucks if I could taken him down (not like DEMO or step-by-step hilarious/stupid fight).
- He was smaller and much older than me, but I lost in the fight that time; where I learned that skills in real fights really mattered. I was forced to compete (every 15 days) with colleagues with no protective tools/guards in this school, as the requirement to pass the level tests, where I learned that suffering pain from competition was in vain. I think this kind of test is not available nowadays, but it was 25 years ago.
- After learning with him for around 4 years, I started Muay Thai but did not train hard like those who want to join the ring fights. I love to learn martial arts; but not to fight or for defense. 🙏
Is the guy in the Marine Corps t-shirt a Marine? He has the hair cut too. A reservist?
Nope! I won the shirt in a pull-up contest!
Much easier way to get the t-shirt lol
Is that a pullee shirt? Ooh rah
Anyone can get conned under the right circumstances. remember that jim browining who catches scammers on a daily basis was scammed and conned into taking down his own youtube vids. This guy is a master at catching con artist and he states that no one should ever think they're above being scammed/conned, bc that mindset will open you up to potentially being conned yourself. Martial arts unfortunately is a field where con artist can thrive, as it would be difficult to double check some information that is given to you and also martial arts not standardized. Even high level places sometimes give shit/con advice.
Let tell yall, a lot of times just like McDojolife said in the vid, when you enter a space and you're seeking solutions or want to learn, you will believe anything someone says. Entering a domain that you are not familiar with and then knowing that the person who your are communicating with is a "professional" in their field, you may unconscioulsy submit yourself to what they teach you. (and that makes sense because even when you learn from people who don't con you, as in moral professionals, you have to do the same thing.) I work in the healthcare field and I've seen how people shut down their mind bc of my title and bc of the positions others around me hold. I've worked with absolutely brilliant RN who didnt go to school for more than 2 years but who will give some of the best/scientifically sound advice, now on the other end of that spectrum, I have also seen Drs who are held in high regards give outdated, misguided or straight up wrong/sometimes immoral advice. Before I worked with Drs I thought of them as these super intelligent people who know everything to know about medicine. Now I see that some of them are essentially glorified body mechanics who are stuck on the idea of giving medicine to control symptoms and not address the problem (yes there are plenty of good doctors too). With my titile now, I could literally sell people(of all levels of educational backgrounds), some 'special magic tools' that I would vouch and promise will fix their back problems and they'll come back to me a few weeks later swearing it worked! Now obviously I don't do that bc its moral and illegal, but let me tell everyone, I worked for very well respected places that are essentially selling you snake oil and doing just that. Now some of these places are prestigious institutions who just happen to have bad apples slip in, but other places are complete scams from top to bottom. It's so crazy that unless you're on the other side, you might think it's a conspiracy theory. I couldn't believe it myself for the longest time until I was placed in some of these locations as student, and when I attempted to call them out, I was quickly reprimanded. Anyhow, my advice to everyone who wants to avoid any type of con is to question things and do some research. If things don't start adding up, you might need to re-evaluate your situation. Fake information will break under scrutiny. If they can't provide you answers, it might be time to call it quits. Now don't think the entire world is out to scam you, but know some ppl will and also like was stated in this vid, that you're not above being conned.
Thing is, even totally legit places (boxing or BJJ clubs) can be rather culty. It’s totally unnecessary to bow to a picture of some dead Brazilian fascist in order to learn to grapple, but that absolutely goes on in some bjj schools
Wow
Fascist?
I experienced that in a Chinese martial arts school. The material was very simple and practical, very competent instructor who knew his stuff, lots of hands on applications and sparring, the guy was 100% legit and skilled. But the way he ran his school was like a cult, martial arts was like some kind of Waco Texas religion to him.
I didn't even quit his school, I just never came back to avoid any confrontations.
Ohhhh yes sets.. they're super powerful
Don't you feel like people choose to participate in a lie.
It seems to me that in most eras and most things the majority participates in a lie to cop a feeling rather than a reality.
I think the student has to decide to seek reality and the guru has little power. This isn't about victim blaming. Thing is you can't control the guru, you control yourself as a student and the choices you make.
Your first-time student in any martial art is easy prey to any unethical owner.
Also a lot of people have the benefit of the doubt, they don't know anything about a topic that's why they try to believe. Bullshido has btw a lot of similarities with MLMs and similar
MATT THORNTON does a lot of talking about this topic. You should have Matt on your show.
People join shit martial arts for these reasons:
1) too lazy to work at the real sports
2) they want something "smarter" than the real sports (usually due to 1 above)
3) ...thats mostly it.
So how does Aikido manage to con so many people?
How do you get people to leave a cult?
You need to be patient with them and let them know that if and when they decide to leave, they will have friends and family waiting for them. Do not pressure them or give them ultimatums as they will probably just close the door themselves. People who get stuck in cults often do so because they feel they have nowhere else to go and the cult is the only group that even comes close to caring about them.
Avoid calling it a cult (which is a bit of a loaded and misleading term anyway- a more technical term is "high control group") but let them know you have concerns about what they are doing and what is going on.
Recognise that some cults are more destructive than others and the majority aren't Jonestown or the Manson family so there usually is no need for urgency, and also recognise that whatever the nature of the cult they are probably getting "something" out of it that they might not be getting elsewhere. It might help to be at least somewhat open minded about the cult and learn what you can about it, particularly from the person you are worried about, without getting wrapped up in or involved in it yourself, as this makes it easier to speak to them and they to you.
Also, brutal truth- almost anything can be or become "cult-like" under the right circumstances. It's more to do with the atmosphere than whether or not the thing is just a swindle, so don't think if they leave a cult then the problem is somehow solved or that they (or even you) are not part of anything else that is somewhat cult-like.
Have a good luck at Choi Kwang Do guys.
Odd break off from TKD, former ITF TKD Master, really odd. Very Cult like.
Humans the only creature that will follow an unstable leader. And they named us wise twice 🤣🤣🤣
I know all about congrats.
Roses are red
Violets are blue
May the algorithm see this
And direct more subscribers to you
I have been cliff hung 👍
Unfortunately mcdojos are so prevalent because they are significantly more effective at making money. If a student walks into a dojo and immediately gets smashed the first day of class they are probably going to leave with a bruised ego and are going to seek out a dojo that teaches self defense "short cuts" where the whole class is just drilling techniques and there is never any live drilling. Making someone think they know how to fight is more lucrative than teaching someone how to actually fight
Important stuff, to summarize, if it has a "GrandMaster" it's a cult
Except for Grandmaster Jesse from Mexican Martial Arts!
nothing insightful to add so I will leave this comment for the algorithm
part 2?
Here is part 2: ruclips.net/video/P45kIypJt3Q/видео.html
And part 3: ruclips.net/video/sEkBuCFBLws/видео.html
Lots of poor people joined Jim Jones' cult.
He provided a commune. His model was based on feeding on those particular groups so they had to rely on him. As I stated in the video “Typically”
Every cult leader is different and has a different way of operating but in order to make this video watchable and not 6 hours long I couldn’t go i to all the semantics.
Who wins in a no rules fight Bas Rutten (in his prime) or Jon Jones (in his prime)
Well, Jon Jones already mastered eye pokes, so that might give him an advantage lol
@@ArmchairViolence True lol
Jon wins purely on athleticism and skill. Bas was good by his era's standard, but his real skill was marketing himself.
I know there is a lot bs chi crap out there but isn't chi a theory just like the Chinese have alternative medicine.
It's more of a religious / spiritual concept with thousands of years of history than a theory, but yes just because someone teaches Qi does not mean they are a con artist, or that they don't genuinely believe in it.
There are plenty of scam artists and con artists who teach the exact opposite and preach a hardcore system that is supposedly "legit" and "realistic" and miles better than traditional martial arts.
@@jonathancampbell5231 True dat
"Broke people don't join cults" is the most incorrect thing I've ever heard in my life. Some religions, like Scientology, do go after high-value targets, e.g. celebrity multi-millionaires. Others, like Christianity and Islam, go after poor and uneducated people. You don't always need to get money directly from the people in the cult. If you have a broad enough base, the political power you gain from controlling them is worth it. And you can still scam poor people for small individual donations, or free labor.
Religions are also largely cultural and financial status isn’t as big of a deal
Do you believe there is an answer to the questions religions try to answer? Like origins of the earth, what happens after you die etc?
That's because there's easy or even necessary access to religion. It belongs to the culture.
@@gilgameshkingofheroes5903 "That's because there's easy or even necessary access to religion."
What do you mean?
"It belongs to the culture."
You're saying religion is a part of the culture of a group of people or country? Yes, religion is part of that. Though not immutable; you can have one religion, many religions, no religion, religions that contradict each other, or even religions that can be simultaneously held by a single person without conflict, all in the same culture.
@@TheMisterGuy
You don't need to look for a church. Typically, you are already being raised in one. If not, you'll have one close to you. You can't put some guy in a garage on the same level as a church. Access is quite literally easy.
Correct.
Kind of pointless demonstration! Very confusing! But a lot of words. Still I like you very much and try to cheep my dojo as you say “legit” not a macdojo!
All of my comments on your channel is that you speak in absolutes and I think you are not as right as you think you are. You only have a little information.
But I stopped caring. I already know you have your mind made up and you'll just back track when the mma community has to do it again because they've been wrong about a lot and forgot they talked down about all martial arts pretty much at one moment or another.
You may not like it, but clear and direct statements are better presentation-wise. Lots of caveats and addendums are simply tangents that will confuse your audience and distract from your main point. Also, when you briefly touch on tangential stuff, you'll get people nit-picking at what you "left out," no matter how irrelevant those details are to the main topic. Chasing those rabbits will result in an hour long video with no point or structure. When making media, you've got to make a point and stick to it.
@@institches2750facts, plus a lot of this video is edited to get to the points. This was about a hour conversation
This is coming from the dude that thinks he’s better than chael 😂 dude get you and your poolie shirt out of here.
Chael Sonnen? He's a polished speaker, but objectively wrong about half the stuff that comes out of his mouth. Like saying heel hooks have never been used in the UFC when there's an official UFC highlight reel of like...15 heel hook submissions. That's not even an opinion. It's just lack of research.
"Why do People follow idiots?".
Ask Hitler supporters!!!
.....but Really G'mork from The Neverending Story said it best:
"Because people who have no hopes are easy to control; and whoever has the control… has the power!"
what do u think of panantukan
Fabia won't fight