It’s always fascinated me how many martial arts experts will tell you to never punch in a fight. In my experience, the guy who punches more almost always wins. Cool channel man!
Yeah, I remember what a weakling Bas Ruten was. Can you believe that clown used palm strikes all the time. What an amatuer. I really love these instructional videos with real pros, teaching you how to do it right.
@@machinebeard1639 Bas Ruten is like one guy doing it next to hundreds of pros who never do. Just cos something can be done, doesn't mean it's worth the time or is the best option
@@justseven3487 ahh yess because peiple with experience never comment ... If you think that people who can fight are rare then you are the one that has never fought.
There's a legitimate psychological effect behind being "armored". People feel more vulnerable naked than in light clothing, that clothing offers little to no real protection but it gives a psychological confidence boost. I noticed it when playing soccer, I play goalie, and when I had my full jersey and padded pants I played far more aggressively and confidently than if I wasn't wearing them. I genuinely felt protected by .5cm of foam.
I decided to watch this video while falling asleep and for some reason was imagining myself being tied down by this dude as he punches me constantly while explaining how to throw a punch correctly.
I think one thing overlooked about glove use is why boxers started using them to begin with. Gloves were originally only used in sparring and training because they reduced facial lacerations which made the sport more palatable to upper class practitioners.
@@MrAnderson5157 which made it less bloody for sure, but since you ain't hurting your hand as much when you punch with a glove you're more encouraged to go wild and might be giving away free passes to brain damage town.
Probably similar for palm strikes, you can smack each other around or slap walls and still learn the fundamental kinetics of a palm strike, whereas if you pull a punch enough to never split someone's face open you're not learning to throw a punch. So it does at least make sense in the context of fight like you train, since if you can't risk busting each other up before antibiotics, you'll just get more time practicing palm strikes. Plus, if you're in a situation where you might get into fights where breaking your hand is an acceptable risk, where's your knife? Though palm strikes do have a benefit in more repressive societies in East Asia that will happily sentence both attacker and defender as troublemakers, they leave a lot less evidence, a lot less evidence that can be tied to a specific person, and no evidence of intent to wound, which are all valid concerns, since self defence is about getting out of trouble and preventing further trouble. Still, punch is the better kinetic weapon
I'm super impressed you got through all that without even sounding slightly winded. When I was a kid, I was play fighting with a friend, pretending to hit, like how stuntmen do in movies, you just miss and the other person falls down. I would always fall down, but my friend didn't and would say "You missed". Until one time I misjudged my distance and didn't 'miss'. A big swinging left hook caught him right in the eye and down he went. I just stood looking at my fist in amazement while he ran inside crying. It was like a perfect golf swing when you hit the sweet spot, the ball goes miles and it didn't feel like you even made contact. Ah, memories.
"The only reason I'm telling you the truth about all this is because I'm an agent of chaos and I just want to see the world burn." I felt that energy building in the back half of the video. You are the man.
Old time bare knuckle boxers knew all this . They did not know less they knew more . Which is why their stances , guards and punches were different . When you box with gloves you can throw tons of combinations to open a space . Bare knuckle you cannot without a risk of injury . It’s a different game that necessitates different style of punching.
Yes...but old time bare knuckle guys has specially conditioned hands...and a lot of time ot work without fear of weapons...ie they didn't have to take someone out in seconds. We as street defenders do not have these luxuries. You are coreect in your observation though about not safe to throw combinations from all angles....though you can still do this with slaps and hammerfists which can be devestating...
@@seattleflyboard3807 specially conditioned hands, can still be achieved with bag training, it's not like those guys had an unfair advantage that we can't have now. By the way are you implying that people in the 1800s and before didn't carry weapons on them to fight? It was remarkably more dangerous to fight people back then BECAUSE people often carried at least a knife and because if you killed someone, it wasn't exactly uncommon to get away with it. People back then also fought a lot dirtier than people now do. As for the preparation, preparation for fights back then was that you watched them fight or train once, they didn't have RUclips channels to learn from. The fighters back then knew all of this stuff, plus more, and navigated a much more dangerous time to be alive, most people now couldn't last a day back then.
People often overlook that and assume that they didn't know what they were doing back then which is ridiculous. You can still see much of bareknuckles influence on glove boxing up into the 40's, and the guys used essentially bareknuckle techniques at least well into the 20's before modern gloves began to take form.
@@seattleflyboard3807 You speak of a time people carried swords and daggers everywhere (well maybe not swords in the late era, but daggers and clubs were so common it was seen as normal). The funny thing is the more brutal the reality of fighting is the more civilized people get, jumping mostly become a big thing because people are detached from violence. That was something i had the chance to see develop in my lifetime.
@@mortvald@mortvald jumping was already a thing for a long time. For a relatively récent exemple you had the "Apaches" gangs in the early 20th century Paris. They were known for their violence and would often attack in group. One of their technique was the "coup du père François" were someone would come from behind with a scarf, put it around the victim's neck and quickly turn to carry them on their back thus leaving the victim being strangled with only the tip of their feet touching the group. From there they could possibly punch the victim into the stomach/solar plexus to further add pain and panic, while emptying their pockets. It was also pretty common for people to get smacked with blunt weapons, stabbed or being stomped on the pavement.
This man is that wacky side-character who shows up 30 minutes into any 2000s action movie to explain some important plot mechanic, whom the protagonist thinks is an annoying nerd but then you realize every single thing they said was an absolute fact.
Additionally, gloves make combat sports more sportive and entertaining. Having gloves on means more time fighting aka competing (less stoppages via cuts) and more exciting sequences and combos (fighters being more confident in throwing shots). Great video as always Mr.Violence
I start off this video thinking this guy is an arrogant, grating, annoying, know it all who has no punching power and almost thumbs down and close, but he kept making salient points. By the end, I realize he's a brilliant fighter and a true martial artist. Very impressive. Thank you for your video.
the truth is in the middle. if you go against someone who understands joint destruction, you're gonna be a heap on the ground cradling over your destroyed hand with bone exposed.
As someone with extremely limited martial arts experience and zero real world experience, I'm glad that the random bit of advice I was given as a kid on how to make a proper fist and keep those knuckles in line with my forearm was actually legit.
My 6th Dan Taekwondo instructor told me off the cuff, that whenever you find yourself in a real-life fight situation, either run, or if you can't, switch to boxing. Think that says it all. He taught us how to punch correctly so that there's a straight line all the way from the shoulder to the 1st two knuckles as shown very well here. It was the only useful thing I learned in Taekwondo
Rather than focus on the last 3 knuckles or the first 2, I aim to keep the tendon to the middle knuckle in a straight line, and often turn the fist 45° instead of vertical or horizontal. But I practise all variations, because in the chaos of a street fight on a target which is uneven (like a face) you are unlikely to land perfectly flush on 2 or 3 knuckles. In other words, get your hands and wrist ready for anything. Similarly, only tensing up at the end of a punch is a luxury that applies to bag work. In a streetfight, it's likely your punch will be intercepted before hitting the intended target, and if everything's loose, everything gets damaged. 😖
@@Sionnach1601 I learned in an "old school" dojo in the early 80's, doing knuckle and fingertip pushups on a linoleum tile-covered concrete floor. That, and learning to juggle pumped up my eye-hand coordination. The high school bullies found someone else to pick on real quick.
As someone with limited training but knowing many people with vastly more experience and plenty experts... I haven't heard any martial artist say "Do not punch, you'll break your hand" or anything similar... So that claim is either boogus or said for comedic purposes.
I mean, it works. if you take into consideration his own tip about placement instead of power, it means you can swap punches with palm strikes and still theoretically knockout the same. I mean, if you consider bad form and technique, I think palm strikes are actually better for normal people. you lose the ability to lacerate but at least you are less likely to break your hand. tbh that would be a nice test, putting normal people to palm strike and then punch, and comparing their power and likelihood to get hurt
Martial artist here and a good punch is a good punch. If you're a "no training" normie then ya, palm strikes over punches so you're less likely to break your hand. But if you do any amount of regular striking, there's no reason that you shouldn't know how to throw a proper punch. Any striking art worth its salt throw punches with the same form. No need to reinvent the wheel.
@@JupiterTarts I said that because I would love to learn and train martial arts, and I don't underestimate technique. most people think they could fight like bruce lee but can't throw a decent punch lol I mean, mike tyson was able to crack a man's eye socket with his bare fist, and didn't break his hand. wich means there are effective methods to punch without wrecking yourself
@@gustavogoesgomes1863 For sure. When someone starts their martial arts journey, I always like to ask "what are you looking to get out of it?" No martial art holds some mystical secret to being a badass. They all have their own thing going on. You don't wanna go to a cardio kickboxing class thinking you can just hop into a cage and scrap. You don't wanna get overconfident training MMA or BJJ at a gym and end up with 4 or 5 guys jumping you and hitting you with a bottle on the back of your head. Each style, no matter how good, has its limitations. Know what you want and train appropriately.
@gustavogoesgomes1863 For me it's about what you are comfortable with and spacing. I have a much tougher time connecting with palm strikes to the head or face than I do with closed fist. But I can get more power with a palm strike to the ribs or better yet elbow to the body.
Coming from a physical therapist, your 4th and 5th metacarpians aren't fused (you can move them independently, try to move them up and down with your hand relaxed) while your 2nd and 3rd are "fused" (kind of). This makes the force of the impact more likely to find "weak spots" in the 4th and 5th. You can still break your 2 and 3 punching some surface too hard for your bones, but your 4th and 5th breaks way more easily.
However, punching with the 3 knuckle landing (3,4 and 5th knuckle) spreads out the force and is more stable for the wrist. Its how bareknuckle boxers used to punch on their straight punches to the head.
@@dottierdig9514 and what if your punch is even slightly in the wrong angle? all the force goes to the weakest bone. If you punch with 2nd and 3th if the angle is wrong you hit with strongest of second stronges bone.
I broke the 2nd and 3rd in my left hand and 3rd, 4th and 5th in my right hand. They're kinda deformed now which causes mobility issues and I get tendon subluxation. They never tried to reduce the fractures and only gave me a wrist splint as well as refused me surgery due to the angle of the deformity.
I've received countless hateful messages from martial artists, but my videos have received nothing but praise from the scientific community. It gives me faith that I am rocking the boat in the good way!
Right?! It's maddening that this isn't the standard already! Most martial arts sources are "Coach Brosef taught me this". Which makes sense to a degree. When I go home from Sambo practice and can barely walk, I won't sit down and look up scientific studies that give the conclusion, why the throws I practiced in class are effective. I managed to throw some people who tried to resist, so the throw goes into the vault as "effective technique that proved to work" and that's it. But I'd love if martial arts communicators, i.e. youtubers, redditors, book authors, seminar teachers, etc. put in the effort to actually do this. Bas Rutten f.e. used to explain his techniques with Newton's laws of motion, which doesn't take much research, but still makes sense immediately.
Hi! Great video. I got input on this debate that’s been raging across forums for decades 😂 I taught street focussed MA for 12 years and have done night club security for 15. 1. Yes martial arts people can be dorks who just can’t stand doing what “regular” people do. 2. Having hit resisting people quite hard with palms and punches I can tell you this : human hands are small and fragile. If you hit the wrong target with your hand open or closed it will hurt. If you hit the right target at the right angle everything will be ok. No exceptions. The majestic Palm strike will still damage your hand if you hit bone hard enough just as much as a regular punch. 3. There is more versatility to a punch than a Palm plus more of a chance of a KO. 4. The only time a Palm is great is if you want a slap a drunk to shock them out of their silliness as a pattern interrupt or if you have a big clear opening to a strong wallop across the jaw for a KO. Which by the way could also be done just as well with a fist. 5. If people want to chop and slap 👋 because they think it’s sexier I can no longer be bothered to argue, but I will never teach it myself.
I think it’s more or so about damage-control. If you’re really that powerful, you shouldn’t have to end a fight with broken bones. A palm strike is less effective & deals less damage, but because the area of damage is more spread out, it will lead to less injuries. Yes, if you’re fighting against a fellow boxer, then yes, go ahead and use punches. But if you’re fighting somebody who’s obviously weaker than you, use palm strikes & try not to kill them.
Only reason I palm strike is to spread the force a bit, I've never been in a street fight so all my "opponents " have been sparing partners who I didn't want to hurt, but from my experience, when you hit the stomach area with a palm strike, I tends to knock the wind out of people more often then punches, still though, I agree that punches definitely hurt more, but my pacifist ass will stick to judo and palm strikes, at least for sparring
Growing up with a punching bag in the backyard and doing bare knuckle work while waiting for new gloves you learn pretty quickly how important form is. It is very unforgiving if you get it wrong. Once the form is down you should only get some light bruising after a long session. Add the power after you get the form down. Great video.
The problem is that the bag's motion is predictable so you can plan your contact points....with a real fight, you wind up hitting out of position and easily damage your hand and wrist.
I'm late to this video and Ive seen and experienced a lot ...but this is an absolutely well said and perfect video in every way brother . I had years of training since 7yo but was around 19 when I came across a situation of a drunk guy who attacked a female friend grabbing her by the throat literally at a dinner table randomly while I was on holidays and we were seated . It ended with me throwing a 100% power uppercut , almost a shoryuken there was that much on it ! He was unconscious , but I had a compound break in my 5th metacarpal in my hand below my pinkie exactly as you said . Bones through the skin , it was real bad. Im now in my 40s and have a metal plate and 5 screws permanently attached and can't be removed from that one punch at 19 . It took around 2 years before I could punch again properly as the damage was extensive . I've taught what you've spoken in this video ever since to ppl Ive trained . You never ever have to hit that hard and proper hand/punching technique is absolutely essential to save serious injury . Thanks for this video mate , it's a bloody legendary one and should be shown everywhere . Cheers 🤘😉
This is reminiscent of how Gladiator bouts were arranged. Typically, you'd match an agile fighter with a long weapon and very little armor against a strong fighter with lots of armor and a short weapon. The idea was, if you had styles that could neutralize each other's advantages so effectively, it made the bout last longer so the crowd got their money's worth.
@@Dan_Kanerva you think you're going to walk around in plate armor or something? Probably not. And either way with the lighter gear and the reach, you'll never get close and I can prod for openings while you just tire out.
Things like this make me glad I learned from my uncle. "Martial arts made for sport were created by nobles, martial arts made for war were formulated by generals." He had a big emphasis on testing, sparring and only results matter. So, as a lovely example. As a kid I found some fun stuff in a movie about a kung fu technique called iron sand hand, which involed spiking heated sand with your fingers to harden them, and I wanted to try it. Naturally, Uncle knew this was dumb, attacking people by poking them is not effective, and he told me that it was dumb, but not to listen to him. Test it and prove it, find out if there is any value, and throw it away if there isn't. So, I did. Heated the sand, poked it, hands hurt, kept going. Did it for an hour a day for a week. Tried poking a test dummy. Completely useless. BUT, my hands had new callouses so the basic principle had done something at least. So, I switched it up, punching the sand instead of weird stuff. My hands hardened and grew rougher and more importantly, the sand was more forgiving then a sand filled bag. With Uncles guidance I ended up learning a far more valuable secret technique. I learned how to put a pile of sand on a frisbee and punch it so that only a certain amount of sand fell off. Essentially, I learned how to react to quick drills to make adjustments to my punching output, even changing to miss my target last minute when Uncle would change suddenly from 'ALL!' to '1 Grain!'. TL:DR I learned at a young age that while taking holywood 'martial arts' at face value is silly, there is a 'grain' of wisdom in all things.
The Generals were the nobles, so were the elite warrior for literally 99% of history Wrestling in Britanny was a local sport, the best in France and the King participated in the annual tournament and even defeated the British King in a friendly(not in as they were using kids gloves meaning, but in no animosity meaning) one There is no such thing as "martial arts" made for support, if they are not used in war they are not martial arts. Self defense and Martial arts are two very different things, and sports another thing, they can complement each other, but nowadays people use it wrong, they are not interchangable as they are not the same. Another example, tournaments in the middle ages were used as spectacles but they had nothing to with the modern sports, they were actual demonstrations of prowess and used for training too for actual warfare unlike modern sports(unless you count target shooting, and such rifle marksmanship sports for current martial arts),:which teach zero about weapons and how to use them, using fists is not a martial art, nobody was fighting with their fists on the battlefield, if you lost your weapons you(and that would have to be during a rout and not in actual battle, you were already dead or a prisoner to be, if you were very lucky you managed to evade being moped up by cavalry)
@@Handles_arent_a_needed_featureTai chi, in it's original form is just a kind of stand up grappling it was called ”Tai Ji Chuan”, stand up grappling was definitely used in war so yeah Tai Chi works, Aikido was never used in war, Akido was developed after WWII by someone who already knew a pretty war effective style called Aiki-Jujitsu(a form of grappling with knives) and wanted to change it because it was "too violent" wanted to make it more "Peaceful."
My rule of thumb, or fist haha, is that when conditioning your knuckles on a heavy bag, always focus more on technique than hitting as hard as you can - this prevents injury and something I wish I listened to my coach about when I first started boxing.
...and it is important to mention, that if you manage to get two punches, in the head, between 300ms-800ms appart the force required to knock someone out is 10-20 times less because of the bounce effect the soft brain have on the hard skull. So two softer, but faster punches are easier to get and harder to defend from.
Wong Shun Leung said every knockout he did was a 1-2 punch. According to him about 0.25 seconds was optimal timing between the shots. Also technically it’s not the bounce effect, it’s that the brain has protecting tensing of neck muscles, and the first strike takes up the slack, and the second delivers all its force to the brain.
And thats what you see a lot in KOs, guy gets hit by a big punch, then a second one to seal the deal. Alex Pereira vs Sean strickland Ko was exactly like that, a BIG left hook than a well placed cross and Sean was sleeping.
Volg's "White Fang" special move is like, a good example of this i guess?? I mean, it's an upper leading into an overhead, which would probably give the recipient brain damage. It's the reason it's hyped up to be deadly
This probably is the most interesting video about martials arts I've seen in my whole life. You're getting to the point in such a condensed, clear and witty way, all this while giving us a good demonstration !
"It's not about power, it's about placement". Finally someone said it This is quite irrelevant to this subject but i used to argue alot with people about sidekicks. People who admired Joe Rogan and traditional martial artists who said "knee up twist your leg" is "right" and "powerful" while "knee down, heel up first" is "wrong" and "weak". That's usually not the case of course when Stephen Thompson blasting people in the cage with the "weak" and "wrong" sidekick and i have been using it ever since i learned from him. Who gave a damn if my kick is "slightly weaker" because chambering knee straight up is just asking people to jam it and you just added a long wasted motion. Just pick a nice position with your footwork, lift that heel up and blasting people with your kick from their blind spot
this is a case where I think both versions are valid. The Karate version Thompson uses is more like a jab, while the TKD version Rogan uses is more like a rear punch. The movement in the TKD version isn't wasted, it's just a trade off: More movement for more power. If you want to use it that way, you need to set it up more (I personally like to set it up with a hook or after parrying a jab. Both work pretty well). Thompson lets his opponents walk into his kick, so he needs no set up. But I've never seen him finish someone with it. He stings them and stops them in their tracks, which is absolutely valid. The TKD side kick folds people like camping chairs when it hits, but it's tougher to hit. Another aspect is the spinning back kick/ turning side kick. The TKD version is just the better option here. The spin allows you to raise your knee anyway and it packs way more power that way.
Made the same experience. I think you mean karate and TKD Kicks. Never ending story. What works - works. If you danke balett in front of your oponnent and he dies of laughing. Mission complete....
@@blackpowderkun yeah no :D "body hardening" is just breathing exercises and building up muscle. Every martial art, heck, every sport that comes with any kind of impact to the body does that. The answer in fighting, when someone has a "hard" torso isn't hitting harder, it's hitting constantly. At some point everyone gasses out
@@jc-kj8yc look into it, body hardening also include bone hardening and deadening of nerves. So in what context do you think it's preferable to hit once hard compare landing multiple shots.
I agree with you. Punches can be used effectively in street situations. Though in my couple of street fights when I was young I broke/hurt fingers (especially thumbs), the actual pain would only be felt after the fight, and it was pretty effective.
That's because punching without gloves is trickier than some want to admit. I'd even say that gloves and hand wraps may give you the false idea that you have a proper punching technique when you actually don't.
What exactly do u mean? The pain was very effective? Do u mean punches. And no im not being a smart***. Honestly just trying to figure out what u said. Maybe u shouldve stayed in english class instead
@@timsavage377You must be braindead. He clearly meant that despite the pain it caused him later, the PUNCHES were effective. You need to go back to third grade.
Not sure I would agree with all of this, but unfortunately I think you are dead right about gloves and headgear being about making spectators feel better rather than protecting fighters. The actual fighters always seem to come last in safety, in pay and in the way they are treated.
Essentially, we're now modern era and much more strict gladiators. The only ones that care about us are our coaches. Those that care the least are the spectators and the promoters, especially the promoters.
wrong, they protect the face from cuts, but as was talked abt in this video, the rate of hand fractures is actually lower for barefist than gloved...@@rivahkillah
I expected to be given tips on how to not be stupid with my punches and I got them. Good knuckle and fist placement, and good tech. And I also got to listen to a man who can talk mad smack to prove a point about bare-knuckle boxing. Respect to ya and this video, man.
As a 48 year study of Martial Arts, I’ll say he is 80% correct. As a kid I was always taught, “it’s not about hitting hard. It’s about hitting right”. The mechanics of the punch must be accurately applied to the target. Which is the part over looked in this video. Just my 2 cents. You are correct.
I completely agree with your main points and conclusions (and well said). Also, kudos to the bag work, which was impressive and demonstrated a lot of the practical knowledge (hand placement, head movement, etc) and things that impressed me. Small quibble I do have is that comparing broken fingers from boxing to MMA isn't comparing apples to apples, since some MMA fights happen without much punching at all, where with boxing, punches is ALL they throw.
OTOH, he also compared boxing to bareknuckle boxing, which closes the gap significantly more (and also still shows that having less padding incentivizes fighters to hit smarter, not harder.)
Whelp, thank you for this, I am now subscribing, I believe you're the only person I've ever seen who actually used science to back up why a specific fighting style is more effective than another, and that's something I can't believe I never thought of in all my years of researching different topics.
Yeah I'd just be careful about bandying about the word "science" these days. It has become horrendously misused. Instead of pursuit of Truth, it is now egregiously used by every gobshite with an agenda and takes advantage of folks who don't know any better. I'm not talking about the channel creator here as his points are very well-made and seem to hold a lot of merit.
This guy is more unhinged than regular youtubers and straight to the point. I might not actually care for this topic right now but I will still watch it
I definitely broke my metacarpal a few times when I was a teenager learning to box. It took me a while to learn not to throw as hard as I could so often, that was the hardest thing next to learning to duck and slip.
There's one more use for palm strikes I think you didn't mention here or in the last video. Straight palm strikes can be a viable option, when you're fighting in closed quarters and want to land straight shots. Bas Rutten for example showed this in an episode of punk payback (I know, I know....hear me out please). The example was a struggle in a car and the distance was too close to properly punch with a fist. But a palm strike had just the right length to be used to great effect.
Dont listen to Armchair Violence. In his last video at 9:07 he shows a woman slowly PUSHING her knuckles into his forehead and claiming that striking to the forehead does not hurt your knuckles. A slow push is not a strike lol
@@symbolsarenotreality4595I've been punched in the forehead a few times, usually it ends with me not even registering that punch, and the guy punching me getting swollen knuckles.
"to the untrained eye it looks like they are taking a nap" this right here is why I always go WTF when my friends cheer about people being knocked out and hitting their head on the sidewalk or something along the same situation.
this video was spectacular. your arguments / stats were to the point, easy to understand, and well delivered, despite the workout happening in the background.
Brother I just searched for bare knuckle punching and found this. Yes! They tried to sell me the same palm strike crap years ago didn't buy it and stuck to boxing and Karate. And it helped me a lot more than any of these "street defence" they really try pressurise you into believing your knuckles are suddenly fragile like paper. I just completely threw that shit out of my ears respect to you for calling them out!
@@GangsterFrankensteinComputer A neck strike which has been well-landed to the throat is devastating. Obviously, not something you'd want to be trying to an opponent's head!
@@GangsterFrankensteinComputer well theoretically yeah there is a knife hand stance but so are punches, palm strikes, elbow strikes and hammers. In practical it’s mostly the punch
Awesome video, filled with useful, massively overlooked info! If there's more to throwing a bare knuckle long hook (lead or not), could you maybe make a tutorial vid on how to throw them? I was under the impression that during a violent situation, one wouldn't have the composure to consciously move the thumb out of harm's way when throwing a long, lead, bare knuckle hook so it was a case of throwing that punch and hoping for the best. Odds are, your tone rubs some folks the wrong way because you 1. can articulate your views 2. are unearthing others' ignorance / compliance to orthodoxy (as shown in this video) 3. and because you're young-looking / -sounding (even though age is irrelevant as long as what's being said makes sense). But I think your delivery is hilarious & entertaining and equally as important as your intellectual content.
It's just a matter of practicing the mechanics. When you first start throwing punches, you have to concentrate on your mechanics and form. Eventually, it becomes second-nature. If you practice moving that thumb out of the way in your sparring, it will take concentration at first. But eventually it will become automatic anytime you think about throwing the lead hook.
"martial artists want to seem like they know something regular people don't" I've been saying this for years, charlatans are not only dishonest and selfish, but make it really hard to discern what information is and is not useful. Thanks for being data-focused and scientific, debunking nonsense people repeat like it's true.
I love this post. The same logic applies to “intersectionality” as a supposedly insightful theory in sociology. It’s like people 5,000 years ago didn’t know that being blind AND deaf was worse than being blind OR deaf.
@@ozvega.57Do you do it with the bottom heel or the ball of your foot. You throw your hip in right, like releasing a bowling bowl/uppercut into the belly button to solar plexus and that also, works surprisingly well. I sparred with a guy that would drive down a punch at the belly button and have it drive down and inside. No joke, it made me feel like I was going to sheet myself. Also used to spar an older Filipino guy that did boxing. Not professionally, by any means. But he had much faster hands. So I'd come in with a fast combo. Primarily missing, but challenging him. Then it take my guard and lazily open it up...haha. Wouldn't counter hard with back kick or side, but it was fun to see him bite. Multiple times.
@@BruceWing Sociology is the study of people, so it makes sense that such a field would also focus on studying people who experience being an outcast from the norm on multiple levels within society. Sociologists help, amongst other things, to write the White Paper which government then uses to make political objectives to address the needs of the people - and in such an instance, your presumption that 'being blind and deaf is worse' is not sufficient (It may well turn out that people with multiple disabilities entitle them to more grants, which leads to a better quality of life compared to people with a single disability). When committing an academic study, you cannot presume without testing that presumption, so the term 'intersectionality' finds a valid use - meanwhile you attack the meaning of the word (I assume because you associated the term with modern 'liberal' theory, instead of its basic functionality).
@@Xheph - “Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.” - George Orwell When person A observes person B stubbing her toe, person A doesn’t need to be trained in medicine to know that the stubbing of a toe causes pain.
Good point about power vs placement. Additional to that, timing and combination (striking as a distraction, to weaken/work the opponent, etc) are all good explanations for why full power isn’t always desirable or warranted.
Placement is easy in the sport ring...it gets ten times more difficult in an assault. Very few of us, even myself after decades of training, can depend on placement...but you can always depend on power.
now that you mention gloves causing more hand injury makes so much sense. I was already aware of gloves causing more concussion just didn't think about how that would probably also work in reverse.
I once gave myself a HUGE black eye walking into a wall in the dark while trying to find the light switch. Can attest, it doesn't take much force, just the right/wrong placement.
Walking involves your entire bodyweight moving forward. This is why you have to step into a punch to generate your full force and can't punch hard from static footwork.
Just found you and man, awesome content. Your breakdowns and analysis are spot on an your explanations of principles are so helpful to me as an amateur mma fighter. Really really appreciate it, you will be a fantastic coach.
Fantastic. You got talent beyond combat sports.Meaning teaching.That aint easy...Then take comedy. That is a hard and sometimes very unforgiving art of itself too. Very entertaining as well as informative. Thanks, man!
No idea how you popped up in my stream, but this was pretty awesome! I can personally attest to your points about padding and the pinky knuckle. I've learned to use the knuckles of the index and middle finger to punch. Still, I have recurring injuries on my pinky knuckles from bag training, where I will throw full force punches (it's a great way to alleviate the stress of the day). I know I'm getting most of the force on the right knuckles, but even with that and the added padding, still it's the pinky knuckle (or the bones behind it, I'm not well-versed in anatomy) that get injured.
excellent video, most people only experience bareknuckle when they decide to take their gloves and wraps off and hit the heavy bag a couple of time and punch in the exact same way they would with gloves, not realizing the technique is different. And when it feels weird they decide that going bareknuckle is a terrible idea and you should never do it
@@saigotheanimator1098 You just have to be more conscious of where you're hitting. Boxing gloves turn your fist into one giant pillow, and how you make contact on it doesn't matter as much. Plus, boxing gloves allow/require you to hit harder.
The technique should be exactly the same. Everyone should be punching in gloves the way you would bareknuckle a target. In general, I would never take tips from anyone who wasn't a world champion in a large organization, or whose tips didn't align with said world champions. That rules out most local boxing gyms
I prefer turning over my long range hooks so that my front 2 knuckles make contact. Similar to what Fedor does, and I've seen this from Dave Leduc in Lethwei also.
Even as a traditional kung fu guy I never heard this term pure and impure punching; learn new things each day. Well the issue of which knuckles work is more an issue of which punch is being thrown, say horizontal or corkscrew punch (impure punches?) vs a vertical fist (pure punching). When throwing a horizontal punch (ie a standard boxing punch), as the arm, elbow and should twist, and rotate a few things happen to align and strengthen wrist and first two knuckles. First of course is constant muscle tension and corkscrewing that drive the fist through even allow thumb down punches. Second this turning with the shoulder lines those first two knuckles up with the whole arm and body so they are not taking all the impact. However, they 'misalign' the bottom two knuckles, and if hit with a horizontal or corkscrewing fist this way, which is basically the way most people punch out of habit, you are more likely the damage those bottom two knuckles. Now, to the vertical fist found in Wing Chun, many traditional Asian fighting arts and in many older European boxing systems. The issue with the vertical fist is yes, you hit with the bottom three. Punching the this vertical position is where we see this as basically as safe as "first-two knuckle" punches with horizontal fists. In short, if you simply throw out your hand in a relaxed vertical straight punch (like a rock-em sock em Robot lol) it will nearly always land with those bottom three knuckles. It is very difficult and awkward to strike with the first two knuckles in this vertical fist position (there are few systems that teach it with a final wrist flick to strike with those top two though). It is essentially the most "natural" and aligned position of your arm. One way to understand this distinction in alignment is with knuckle push-ups. Do knuckle push-ups with vertical fists on a solid floor and generally you will do this in bottom three without thinking much about it (it is possible to do in on the first two, and is interesting so try that too). Turn to horizontal fists and you will see you basically need to do it on the top two and the align more straight with the wrist and forearm. Anyway great vid and love your take on things.
Nice explanation. You put my exact thoughts into words i doubt those people that break their hands truly know how to punch if they wear gloves. Also to say you cant put power into your fists without gloves when punching saying it will "break it". And tell you how to punch and you shouldnt go over 50% of power...
Underrated part of this video is how smooth your articulation is while you’re hitting the bag and practicing footwork. Amazing breath control here brother, I imagine it’s even better today.
I've been punching bags (usually not super-heavy ones, but those too sometimes) without gloves since I was a kid (now over 40) and I've never had a problem. The only ways I've ever hurt myself with a punching bag has been by hyperextending my leg when trying to kick it while it's swinging. This insistence that your hands will instantly shatter into a million pieces has always mystified me.
Only time your wrist or any bone/muscle in your hand will break is when you hit too hard with minimal form. Like lifting weights, you should always practice technique before stepping up the power.
The study in the link provided, which shows a lower rate of hand bone breaks in bare knuckle boxing, is based on sanctioned fights in the US in recent years. Afaik those all involve hand-wraps, so they are not bare-knuckle in the same way a street fight is. Your insight on the pure vs impure hand bone breaks, based on emergency room injuries, is invaluable. I have been trying to find out about this for over 20 years! Thank you
“When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.” Proverbs 11:2 NIV God bless you all and this kind and good teaching youtube channel Amen❤
I saw this comment and immediately thought, "I wish I had spoken slower so I could have sped up the video and made people think I have the speed of a GOD!"
As a professional bare knuckle boxer I have to say this video is excellent! I've never liked the open palm strike philosphy for many of the reasons you mentioned but also because in a self defense situation, you need to cause damage quickly in the most efficient way. The fact that you are forced potentially to be fighting for your life, negates the fear of hand injury. Most people searching this won't ever have to actually physically defend themselves, and if you do have to then that first strike you throw has to be devastating as yours or your families lives may depend upon it. I'd be much more concered with being knocked unconscious and at the mercy of a bad guy than having my hand in a cast for 6 weeks anyways. Adrenaline will get you through the chaotic couple of seconds before you can get the hell outta there! Great video, thanks
Of course i am not bruce lee. I can actually f*cking fight. Also you seem to misunderstand me. I was not trying to insult you but i was just pointing out a simple fact. It wasn't that palm strikes are just extremely effective striking techniques and Bas Rutten chose them over punches, It is Bas Rutten who is the extremely effective striking technique who made palm strikes work.There is not a single human who could palm strike harder than he can punch (Unless he has never practiced proper punching and only practiced palm striking) Plus proper punches are safer to throw than palm strikes (Even though i certainly agree with most of what this creator is talking about he is wrong about some things related to proper punching, I would recommend reading championship fighting by Jack Dempsey). Bas Rutten only used palm strikes because in the matches he had in Pancrase did not allow for punches (to the head i think but don't know if punches were just prohibited in general). It wasn't that palm strikes were better than punches he made them work in this situation as he couldn't punch@@NapoleonGelignite
@@gamingthesystem4252 - my apologies for misunderstanding. The Dempsey book is awesome - Dempsey and Tyson are my heroes. FYI I’ve been a martial artist (and boxer for over 30 years) - I’d agree with you almost 100%. I’d say a palm strike to the ear is a finisher if delivered clean. 90% of unskilled fighters will be at the least stunned by a good palm strike to the jaw, a good chance more. My go to is classic 1-2 combo with 0.2 secs between blows.
Thank you for making this video. Could you develop more on the topic? Like, how traditional Bare Knuckle boxing was heavier on body punches than head punches, or bare knuckle arts have similarities.
you guys are so stupid,... its all fucking edited... nothing about 10min of punching, and babbling all the time, where is his focus you think,...people are getting their fucking grey matter all over the place incredible, LAUGHABLE
9:00 a sports medicine guy specialized in boxing, i forgot his name, said that boxing glovzs were invented and refined so boxers can hit the head harder and cause more knock outs. It's all for the show at the expanse of the boxers health.
The range gain alone makes it important. The only time palm strikes are better is if you already have an advantage. However scratching, gouging, and slapping are all excellent open hand techniques that rarely get used and are all at least as good as palm strikes. And don't forget that the rotational force of that "impure" punch creates a force that drives deeper instead of spreading out so they can do more damage but are less effective at creating space (which isn't what punching is usually for)
It’s always fascinated me how many martial arts experts will tell you to never punch in a fight. In my experience, the guy who punches more almost always wins. Cool channel man!
We live in a very very very crazy world
But when it isn't the guy who punches more the alternative is grappling wich is hated by martial art experts.
@@katokianimation That would depend on your definition of "experts".
And i bet everyone read this comment with Ramsay voice in the head 🤣
And the knuckles are hard
"Extra padding can't protect you from stupidity" I love this guy.
Ikr.. Same... HAVE ONLY BEEN HERE 10 MINUTES -_-
@@TheTyroofToriyama😂😂😂
@@crisalcantara7671 No way u like Jin? Was my main since I was 3. Coolest guy in fiction tbh
Yeah, I remember what a weakling Bas Ruten was. Can you believe that clown used palm strikes all the time. What an amatuer. I really love these instructional videos with real pros, teaching you how to do it right.
@@machinebeard1639 Bas Ruten is like one guy doing it next to hundreds of pros who never do. Just cos something can be done, doesn't mean it's worth the time or is the best option
I love how you are hitting the bag the entire time while talking and you're not winded at all.
Idk lol the video has a lot of cuts, maybe he takes breaks throughout his dialogue.. but I bet he can punch for ages and be fine so yeah
It doesn't look like he's doing it very hard though
Part conditioning, part him going super light. He's hitting just hard enough to make the noise and the point.
That's because there's no power to them
@@VoxelowoI think that was part of his point of the video
I feel in my heart that this guy gives lectures mid street fight
i feel like hes never been in one
@@myname-mz3lo Obviously has more fight experience than you ever will.
@@justseven3487 ahh yess because peiple with experience never comment ... If you think that people who can fight are rare then you are the one that has never fought.
@@myname-mz3lo You sound exactly like a keyboard warrior who has never been in a fight.
@@CaneFu I'd say he's been in max two fights but back when he went to elementary school and still thinks he's tough.
There's a legitimate psychological effect behind being "armored". People feel more vulnerable naked than in light clothing, that clothing offers little to no real protection but it gives a psychological confidence boost. I noticed it when playing soccer, I play goalie, and when I had my full jersey and padded pants I played far more aggressively and confidently than if I wasn't wearing them. I genuinely felt protected by .5cm of foam.
Probably wouldnt do much for kicks but still makes getting hit by the ball much more comfortable.
@@beelzebub7221 sounds like the confidence came from a bottle are you sure it was the hoodie lol
Thats called confidence my boi
If you get that from clothing, maybe sports isnt for you ;)
@@mackenziehunt7616 Took all ten of your brain cells to think of that one didn't it?
@@tylerh7262 good point
I decided to watch this video while falling asleep and for some reason was imagining myself being tied down by this dude as he punches me constantly while explaining how to throw a punch correctly.
That's just how it goes sometimes.
that sounds not so pleasant
Anti-Villain who teaches the hero how to beat him because he's sick of nobody ever being able to beat them
he may not have done that, but the intention is undeniable
Hot.
I think one thing overlooked about glove use is why boxers started using them to begin with. Gloves were originally only used in sparring and training because they reduced facial lacerations which made the sport more palatable to upper class practitioners.
it's not to protect the fist, but to somewhat protect the target
Gloves were implemented to make the sport seem less barbaric.
@@MrAnderson5157 which made it less bloody for sure, but since you ain't hurting your hand as much when you punch with a glove you're more encouraged to go wild and might be giving away free passes to brain damage town.
@@KlebinDaBoca Idk, I think from my experience gloves do more blunt force trauma than bare knuckles. And you can certainly break hands with gloves on.
Probably similar for palm strikes, you can smack each other around or slap walls and still learn the fundamental kinetics of a palm strike, whereas if you pull a punch enough to never split someone's face open you're not learning to throw a punch. So it does at least make sense in the context of fight like you train, since if you can't risk busting each other up before antibiotics, you'll just get more time practicing palm strikes. Plus, if you're in a situation where you might get into fights where breaking your hand is an acceptable risk, where's your knife?
Though palm strikes do have a benefit in more repressive societies in East Asia that will happily sentence both attacker and defender as troublemakers, they leave a lot less evidence, a lot less evidence that can be tied to a specific person, and no evidence of intent to wound, which are all valid concerns, since self defence is about getting out of trouble and preventing further trouble. Still, punch is the better kinetic weapon
I'm super impressed you got through all that without even sounding slightly winded.
When I was a kid, I was play fighting with a friend, pretending to hit, like how stuntmen do in movies, you just miss and the other person falls down.
I would always fall down, but my friend didn't and would say "You missed". Until one time I misjudged my distance and didn't 'miss'. A big swinging left hook caught him right in the eye and down he went. I just stood looking at my fist in amazement while he ran inside crying. It was like a perfect golf swing when you hit the sweet spot, the ball goes miles and it didn't feel like you even made contact.
Ah, memories.
and after that he said 'you missed'
It was a pretty good shiner for a miss 🤣@@kamelo2219
You punched a guy who let you hit him? Unimpressed… that’s lame af dude
You can't read?
We were little kids play fighting and it was an accident, dumbass.
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@@rakurai7367he said it was an accident and that's a pretty harmless and hilarious story lol.
Start: improving punches
End: sad reality of sports
"The only reason I'm telling you the truth about all this is because I'm an agent of chaos and I just want to see the world burn." I felt that energy building in the back half of the video. You are the man.
I bet his favorite villain is Joker (Heath Ledgers).
@@d0muk4s91I bet his favorite color is black
I bet his favorite Palm is a tree.@@MrJoshsss
I bet he is completely and mentally stable
imagine having good knowledge about fighting and not much experience and u dont wanna try since u dont wanna lose your teeth cannot possible be me
Old time bare knuckle boxers knew all this . They did not know less they knew more . Which is why their stances , guards and punches were different . When you box with gloves you can throw tons of combinations to open a space . Bare knuckle you cannot without a risk of injury . It’s a different game that necessitates different style of punching.
Yes...but old time bare knuckle guys has specially conditioned hands...and a lot of time ot work without fear of weapons...ie they didn't have to take someone out in seconds. We as street defenders do not have these luxuries. You are coreect in your observation though about not safe to throw combinations from all angles....though you can still do this with slaps and hammerfists which can be devestating...
@@seattleflyboard3807 specially conditioned hands, can still be achieved with bag training, it's not like those guys had an unfair advantage that we can't have now. By the way are you implying that people in the 1800s and before didn't carry weapons on them to fight? It was remarkably more dangerous to fight people back then BECAUSE people often carried at least a knife and because if you killed someone, it wasn't exactly uncommon to get away with it. People back then also fought a lot dirtier than people now do. As for the preparation, preparation for fights back then was that you watched them fight or train once, they didn't have RUclips channels to learn from. The fighters back then knew all of this stuff, plus more, and navigated a much more dangerous time to be alive, most people now couldn't last a day back then.
People often overlook that and assume that they didn't know what they were doing back then which is ridiculous. You can still see much of bareknuckles influence on glove boxing up into the 40's, and the guys used essentially bareknuckle techniques at least well into the 20's before modern gloves began to take form.
@@seattleflyboard3807 You speak of a time people carried swords and daggers everywhere (well maybe not swords in the late era, but daggers and clubs were so common it was seen as normal). The funny thing is the more brutal the reality of fighting is the more civilized people get, jumping mostly become a big thing because people are detached from violence.
That was something i had the chance to see develop in my lifetime.
@@mortvald@mortvald jumping was already a thing for a long time. For a relatively récent exemple you had the "Apaches" gangs in the early 20th century Paris. They were known for their violence and would often attack in group. One of their technique was the "coup du père François" were someone would come from behind with a scarf, put it around the victim's neck and quickly turn to carry them on their back thus leaving the victim being strangled with only the tip of their feet touching the group. From there they could possibly punch the victim into the stomach/solar plexus to further add pain and panic, while emptying their pockets. It was also pretty common for people to get smacked with blunt weapons, stabbed or being stomped on the pavement.
This man is that wacky side-character who shows up 30 minutes into any 2000s action movie to explain some important plot mechanic, whom the protagonist thinks is an annoying nerd but then you realize every single thing they said was an absolute fact.
Bro how did this only have 1 like, here’s a second
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I would absolutely watch him as Q
Additionally, gloves make combat sports more sportive and entertaining. Having gloves on means more time fighting aka competing (less stoppages via cuts) and more exciting sequences and combos (fighters being more confident in throwing shots). Great video as always Mr.Violence
Great point. Yea… fans hate it when fights are stopped via cuts on the eye or hairline
@@snusmumrikken1000 😂😂😂
And more concussions.
" Having gloves on means more time fighting aka competing (less stoppages via cuts)"
Bareknuckle bouts went on for hours.
also the boxing gloves make a punch more audible, which is also part of the entertainment value of boxing.
I start off this video thinking this guy is an arrogant, grating, annoying, know it all who has no punching power and almost thumbs down and close, but he kept making salient points. By the end, I realize he's a brilliant fighter and a true martial artist. Very impressive. Thank you for your video.
To be fair, I CAN be both annoying and brilliant lol
facts lol@@ArmchairViolence
the truth is in the middle. if you go against someone who understands joint destruction, you're gonna be a heap on the ground cradling over your destroyed hand with bone exposed.
Lol yah the same dude that said tuck your thumb in when you punch 😂😂😂 that’s rule #1 of what not to do.
@@ZeusEBoyonly for the bare knuckle hooks tho
Once you're out there actually throwing punches you learn really quickly it doesn't take much power. Love this video.
As someone with extremely limited martial arts experience and zero real world experience, I'm glad that the random bit of advice I was given as a kid on how to make a proper fist and keep those knuckles in line with my forearm was actually legit.
My 6th Dan Taekwondo instructor told me off the cuff, that whenever you find yourself in a real-life fight situation, either run, or if you can't, switch to boxing.
Think that says it all.
He taught us how to punch correctly so that there's a straight line all the way from the shoulder to the 1st two knuckles as shown very well here.
It was the only useful thing I learned in Taekwondo
Rather than focus on the last 3 knuckles or the first 2,
I aim to keep the tendon to the middle knuckle in a straight line, and often turn the fist 45° instead of vertical or horizontal.
But I practise all variations, because in the chaos of a street fight on a target which is uneven (like a face) you are unlikely to land perfectly flush on 2 or 3 knuckles.
In other words, get your hands and wrist ready for anything.
Similarly, only tensing up at the end of a punch is a luxury that applies to bag work.
In a streetfight, it's likely your punch will be intercepted before hitting the intended target, and if everything's loose, everything gets damaged.
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@@Sionnach1601 I learned in an "old school" dojo in the early 80's, doing knuckle and fingertip pushups on a linoleum tile-covered concrete floor. That, and learning to juggle pumped up my eye-hand coordination. The high school bullies found someone else to pick on real quick.
Sumo is a martial art . I would put my money on the angry Sumo the skinny kid disrespected. They love a good old palm too .
As someone with limited training but knowing many people with vastly more experience and plenty experts... I haven't heard any martial artist say "Do not punch, you'll break your hand" or anything similar... So that claim is either boogus or said for comedic purposes.
I'm only 2 minutes in and I absolutely love the aggression toward "no-fist" martial arts. Educational AND hilarious
I mean, it works. if you take into consideration his own tip about placement instead of power, it means you can swap punches with palm strikes and still theoretically knockout the same. I mean, if you consider bad form and technique, I think palm strikes are actually better for normal people. you lose the ability to lacerate but at least you are less likely to break your hand. tbh that would be a nice test, putting normal people to palm strike and then punch, and comparing their power and likelihood to get hurt
Martial artist here and a good punch is a good punch. If you're a "no training" normie then ya, palm strikes over punches so you're less likely to break your hand. But if you do any amount of regular striking, there's no reason that you shouldn't know how to throw a proper punch. Any striking art worth its salt throw punches with the same form. No need to reinvent the wheel.
@@JupiterTarts I said that because I would love to learn and train martial arts, and I don't underestimate technique. most people think they could fight like bruce lee but can't throw a decent punch lol
I mean, mike tyson was able to crack a man's eye socket with his bare fist, and didn't break his hand. wich means there are effective methods to punch without wrecking yourself
@@gustavogoesgomes1863 For sure. When someone starts their martial arts journey, I always like to ask "what are you looking to get out of it?" No martial art holds some mystical secret to being a badass. They all have their own thing going on. You don't wanna go to a cardio kickboxing class thinking you can just hop into a cage and scrap. You don't wanna get overconfident training MMA or BJJ at a gym and end up with 4 or 5 guys jumping you and hitting you with a bottle on the back of your head. Each style, no matter how good, has its limitations. Know what you want and train appropriately.
@gustavogoesgomes1863 For me it's about what you are comfortable with and spacing. I have a much tougher time connecting with palm strikes to the head or face than I do with closed fist. But I can get more power with a palm strike to the ribs or better yet elbow to the body.
The way bro explains
just satisfying
bros way of speaking and mannerisms gives me old school disney channel acting vibes
The clean punches + sarcastic tone mocking "experts" = satisfying
he is just copying icey mike
@@thatlonzoguywe need more guys like him and Icy Mike mocking these phony self defense gurus
@@user-xz1wy4to4oYou explained it perfectly.
Coming from a physical therapist, your 4th and 5th metacarpians aren't fused (you can move them independently, try to move them up and down with your hand relaxed) while your 2nd and 3rd are "fused" (kind of). This makes the force of the impact more likely to find "weak spots" in the 4th and 5th. You can still break your 2 and 3 punching some surface too hard for your bones, but your 4th and 5th breaks way more easily.
However, punching with the 3 knuckle landing (3,4 and 5th knuckle) spreads out the force and is more stable for the wrist.
Its how bareknuckle boxers used to punch on their straight punches to the head.
@@dottierdig9514You also can't generate quite as much force in that postion, so there's another natural safeguard in that way.
@@dottierdig9514 and what if your punch is even slightly in the wrong angle? all the force goes to the weakest bone. If you punch with 2nd and 3th if the angle is wrong you hit with strongest of second stronges bone.
I broke the 2nd and 3rd in my left hand and 3rd, 4th and 5th in my right hand. They're kinda deformed now which causes mobility issues and I get tendon subluxation. They never tried to reduce the fractures and only gave me a wrist splint as well as refused me surgery due to the angle of the deformity.
@@dottierdig9514That's wrong
As a member of the scientific community I can't tell you how giddy it makes me that you cite your sources
I've received countless hateful messages from martial artists, but my videos have received nothing but praise from the scientific community.
It gives me faith that I am rocking the boat in the good way!
Right?! It's maddening that this isn't the standard already! Most martial arts sources are "Coach Brosef taught me this". Which makes sense to a degree. When I go home from Sambo practice and can barely walk, I won't sit down and look up scientific studies that give the conclusion, why the throws I practiced in class are effective. I managed to throw some people who tried to resist, so the throw goes into the vault as "effective technique that proved to work" and that's it. But I'd love if martial arts communicators, i.e. youtubers, redditors, book authors, seminar teachers, etc. put in the effort to actually do this. Bas Rutten f.e. used to explain his techniques with Newton's laws of motion, which doesn't take much research, but still makes sense immediately.
he doesnt know who bas ruten is. thats like a scientist who doesnt know newton or einstein.
@@jc-kj8yc complete agree.!
@@dbspaceoditty who doesn't know who Bas Rutten is?
Hi! Great video. I got input on this debate that’s been raging across forums for decades 😂
I taught street focussed MA for 12 years and have done night club security for 15.
1. Yes martial arts people can be dorks who just can’t stand doing what “regular” people do.
2. Having hit resisting people quite hard with palms and punches I can tell you this : human hands are small and fragile. If you hit the wrong target with your hand open or closed it will hurt. If you hit the right target at the right angle everything will be ok. No exceptions. The majestic Palm strike will still damage your hand if you hit bone hard enough just as much as a regular punch.
3. There is more versatility to a punch than a Palm plus more of a chance of a KO.
4. The only time a Palm is great is if you want a slap a drunk to shock them out of their silliness as a pattern interrupt or if you have a big clear opening to a strong wallop across the jaw for a KO. Which by the way could also be done just as well with a fist.
5. If people want to chop and slap 👋 because they think it’s sexier I can no longer be bothered to argue, but I will never teach it myself.
When worlds collide! I'm a Richie fanboy and eagerly awaiting the 'how to bitch slap a Narcissist' video 😁.
I think it’s more or so about damage-control. If you’re really that powerful, you shouldn’t have to end a fight with broken bones. A palm strike is less effective & deals less damage, but because the area of damage is more spread out, it will lead to less injuries. Yes, if you’re fighting against a fellow boxer, then yes, go ahead and use punches. But if you’re fighting somebody who’s obviously weaker than you, use palm strikes & try not to kill them.
Only reason I palm strike is to spread the force a bit, I've never been in a street fight so all my "opponents " have been sparing partners who I didn't want to hurt, but from my experience, when you hit the stomach area with a palm strike, I tends to knock the wind out of people more often then punches, still though, I agree that punches definitely hurt more, but my pacifist ass will stick to judo and palm strikes, at least for sparring
Growing up with a punching bag in the backyard and doing bare knuckle work while waiting for new gloves you learn pretty quickly how important form is.
It is very unforgiving if you get it wrong.
Once the form is down you should only get some light bruising after a long session. Add the power after you get the form down. Great video.
Bruising from a bag? How pissweak are you? Try punching something solid.
The problem is that the bag's motion is predictable so you can plan your contact points....with a real fight, you wind up hitting out of position and easily damage your hand and wrist.
Absolutely true, which is why they don't teach woman with soft hands to punch in self defence classes lol.
Backyard punching bags? Learn real quick don't hit the bottom of the bag
I'm late to this video and Ive seen and experienced a lot ...but this is an absolutely well said and perfect video in every way brother .
I had years of training since 7yo but was around 19 when I came across a situation of a drunk guy who attacked a female friend grabbing her by the throat literally at a dinner table randomly while I was on holidays and we were seated .
It ended with me throwing a 100% power uppercut , almost a shoryuken there was that much on it !
He was unconscious , but I had a compound break in my 5th metacarpal in my hand below my pinkie exactly as you said .
Bones through the skin , it was real bad.
Im now in my 40s and have a metal plate and 5 screws permanently attached and can't be removed from that one punch at 19 .
It took around 2 years before I could punch again properly as the damage was extensive .
I've taught what you've spoken in this video ever since to ppl Ive trained .
You never ever have to hit that hard and proper hand/punching technique is absolutely essential to save serious injury .
Thanks for this video mate , it's a bloody legendary one and should be shown everywhere .
Cheers 🤘😉
This was a super refreshing perspective and I love how you present it with a legitimate sense of humor. 10/10
I love how the video gets a little more intense minute by minute and you can see and hear that in the punches
This is reminiscent of how Gladiator bouts were arranged.
Typically, you'd match an agile fighter with a long weapon and very little armor against a strong fighter with lots of armor and a short weapon.
The idea was, if you had styles that could neutralize each other's advantages so effectively, it made the bout last longer so the crowd got their money's worth.
Give me the long weapon any day easy
@@rinhyugaa6565 what is your spear gonna do against full amor?
@@Dan_Kanerva you think you're going to walk around in plate armor or something? Probably not.
And either way with the lighter gear and the reach, you'll never get close and I can prod for openings while you just tire out.
@@rinhyugaa6565 if is a halberd or Bec de corbin i agree , a spear is too risky if they get pass the stab zone
@@Dan_Kanerva Yeah there's a few good long weapons to choose from
Things like this make me glad I learned from my uncle.
"Martial arts made for sport were created by nobles, martial arts made for war were formulated by generals."
He had a big emphasis on testing, sparring and only results matter.
So, as a lovely example. As a kid I found some fun stuff in a movie about a kung fu technique called iron sand hand, which involed spiking heated sand with your fingers to harden them, and I wanted to try it. Naturally, Uncle knew this was dumb, attacking people by poking them is not effective, and he told me that it was dumb, but not to listen to him. Test it and prove it, find out if there is any value, and throw it away if there isn't. So, I did. Heated the sand, poked it, hands hurt, kept going. Did it for an hour a day for a week. Tried poking a test dummy. Completely useless. BUT, my hands had new callouses so the basic principle had done something at least. So, I switched it up, punching the sand instead of weird stuff. My hands hardened and grew rougher and more importantly, the sand was more forgiving then a sand filled bag.
With Uncles guidance I ended up learning a far more valuable secret technique. I learned how to put a pile of sand on a frisbee and punch it so that only a certain amount of sand fell off. Essentially, I learned how to react to quick drills to make adjustments to my punching output, even changing to miss my target last minute when Uncle would change suddenly from 'ALL!' to '1 Grain!'.
TL:DR I learned at a young age that while taking holywood 'martial arts' at face value is silly, there is a 'grain' of wisdom in all things.
Wartime martial arts are useful.
Modern day distillations of 12 different martial arts from around the world are valuable.
The Generals were the nobles, so were the elite warrior for literally 99% of history
Wrestling in Britanny was a local sport, the best in France and the King participated in the annual tournament and even defeated the British King in a friendly(not in as they were using kids gloves meaning, but in no animosity meaning) one
There is no such thing as "martial arts" made for support, if they are not used in war they are not martial arts.
Self defense and Martial arts are two very different things, and sports another thing, they can complement each other, but nowadays people use it wrong, they are not interchangable as they are not the same.
Another example, tournaments in the middle ages were used as spectacles but they had nothing to with the modern sports, they were actual demonstrations of prowess and used for training too for actual warfare unlike modern sports(unless you count target shooting, and such rifle marksmanship sports for current martial arts),:which teach zero about weapons and how to use them, using fists is not a martial art, nobody was fighting with their fists on the battlefield, if you lost your weapons you(and that would have to be during a rout and not in actual battle, you were already dead or a prisoner to be, if you were very lucky you managed to evade being moped up by cavalry)
I wouldve thought that martial arts for fighting were probably made by people who fought a lot rather than generals
@@alexmag342are tai chi and aikido used in war?
@@Handles_arent_a_needed_featureTai chi, in it's original form is just a kind of stand up grappling it was called ”Tai Ji Chuan”, stand up grappling was definitely used in war so yeah Tai Chi works, Aikido was never used in war, Akido was developed after WWII by someone who already knew a pretty war effective style called Aiki-Jujitsu(a form of grappling with knives) and wanted to change it because it was "too violent" wanted to make it more "Peaceful."
Your endurance is commendable. Speaking while punching and seemingly not getting winded can't be easy.
Respect for your stamina, I would have hard time take a breath just talking that fast without punching a heavy bag
Lol yeah
Hit softer then . Your hitting to hard ! Lol
I was thinking the same
For real, that’s impressive.
My rule of thumb, or fist haha, is that when conditioning your knuckles on a heavy bag, always focus more on technique than hitting as hard as you can - this prevents injury and something I wish I listened to my coach about when I first started boxing.
...and it is important to mention, that if you manage to get two punches, in the head, between 300ms-800ms appart the force required to knock someone out is 10-20 times less because of the bounce effect the soft brain have on the hard skull. So two softer, but faster punches are easier to get and harder to defend from.
Wong Shun Leung said every knockout he did was a 1-2 punch. According to him about 0.25 seconds was optimal timing between the shots.
Also technically it’s not the bounce effect, it’s that the brain has protecting tensing of neck muscles, and the first strike takes up the slack, and the second delivers all its force to the brain.
ayo black flash?
And thats what you see a lot in KOs, guy gets hit by a big punch, then a second one to seal the deal.
Alex Pereira vs Sean strickland Ko was exactly like that, a BIG left hook than a well placed cross and Sean was sleeping.
Volg's "White Fang" special move is like, a good example of this i guess?? I mean, it's an upper leading into an overhead, which would probably give the recipient brain damage. It's the reason it's hyped up to be deadly
Bloody love how you even know wing chun and considering and referencing a much larger scope. Respect
This probably is the most interesting video about martials arts I've seen in my whole life. You're getting to the point in such a condensed, clear and witty way, all this while giving us a good demonstration !
"It's not about power, it's about placement". Finally someone said it
This is quite irrelevant to this subject but i used to argue alot with people about sidekicks. People who admired Joe Rogan and traditional martial artists who said "knee up twist your leg" is "right" and "powerful" while "knee down, heel up first" is "wrong" and "weak". That's usually not the case of course when Stephen Thompson blasting people in the cage with the "weak" and "wrong" sidekick and i have been using it ever since i learned from him. Who gave a damn if my kick is "slightly weaker" because chambering knee straight up is just asking people to jam it and you just added a long wasted motion. Just pick a nice position with your footwork, lift that heel up and blasting people with your kick from their blind spot
this is a case where I think both versions are valid. The Karate version Thompson uses is more like a jab, while the TKD version Rogan uses is more like a rear punch. The movement in the TKD version isn't wasted, it's just a trade off: More movement for more power. If you want to use it that way, you need to set it up more (I personally like to set it up with a hook or after parrying a jab. Both work pretty well). Thompson lets his opponents walk into his kick, so he needs no set up. But I've never seen him finish someone with it. He stings them and stops them in their tracks, which is absolutely valid. The TKD side kick folds people like camping chairs when it hits, but it's tougher to hit.
Another aspect is the spinning back kick/ turning side kick. The TKD version is just the better option here. The spin allows you to raise your knee anyway and it packs way more power that way.
Made the same experience. I think you mean karate and TKD Kicks. Never ending story. What works - works. If you danke balett in front of your oponnent and he dies of laughing. Mission complete....
You also need to factor that traditional martial martials also train in body hardening so striking harder may be a response to that.
@@blackpowderkun yeah no :D "body hardening" is just breathing exercises and building up muscle. Every martial art, heck, every sport that comes with any kind of impact to the body does that. The answer in fighting, when someone has a "hard" torso isn't hitting harder, it's hitting constantly. At some point everyone gasses out
@@jc-kj8yc look into it, body hardening also include bone hardening and deadening of nerves. So in what context do you think it's preferable to hit once hard compare landing multiple shots.
You are a rare individual - intelligent, witty, informed and entertaining. I've got to check out your other videos, too.
Im so glad you talked about how padded up gloves and headgear causes more longterm damage to fighters. I Hope that someday that fact is realized
It is so rare to find a video these days that is honest, educational and hilarious at the same time. Cheers mate!
just want to say your voice trigers my self defence mecenisum thanks.
I agree with you. Punches can be used effectively in street situations. Though in my couple of street fights when I was young I broke/hurt fingers (especially thumbs), the actual pain would only be felt after the fight, and it was pretty effective.
Should have drank milk.
That's because punching without gloves is trickier than some want to admit. I'd even say that gloves and hand wraps may give you the false idea that you have a proper punching technique when you actually don't.
the power of adrenaline
What exactly do u mean? The pain was very effective? Do u mean punches. And no im not being a smart***. Honestly just trying to figure out what u said. Maybe u shouldve stayed in english class instead
@@timsavage377You must be braindead. He clearly meant that despite the pain it caused him later, the PUNCHES were effective. You need to go back to third grade.
This entire video was a cardio flex
This video was so much fun to watch. Really satisfying and well informed rant
Not sure I would agree with all of this, but unfortunately I think you are dead right about gloves and headgear being about making spectators feel better rather than protecting fighters. The actual fighters always seem to come last in safety, in pay and in the way they are treated.
Essentially, we're now modern era and much more strict gladiators. The only ones that care about us are our coaches. Those that care the least are the spectators and the promoters, especially the promoters.
Gloves were invented to protect a fighter's hands, so they could punch each other in the head for a longer time.
wrong, they protect the face from cuts, but as was talked abt in this video, the rate of hand fractures is actually lower for barefist than gloved...@@rivahkillah
Simply because of your data and the fact you convinced me, I am subscribing and liking this video.
Bro this is THE funniest/ educational video I've seen in a while. Good s***
I expected to be given tips on how to not be stupid with my punches and I got them. Good knuckle and fist placement, and good tech.
And I also got to listen to a man who can talk mad smack to prove a point about bare-knuckle boxing. Respect to ya and this video, man.
Not only was this an extremely informative video it was one of the most captivating and funny martial arts related I've ever seen.
As a 48 year study of Martial Arts, I’ll say he is 80% correct. As a kid I was always taught, “it’s not about hitting hard. It’s about hitting right”. The mechanics of the punch must be accurately applied to the target. Which is the part over looked in this video. Just my 2 cents. You are correct.
I completely agree with your main points and conclusions (and well said). Also, kudos to the bag work, which was impressive and demonstrated a lot of the practical knowledge (hand placement, head movement, etc) and things that impressed me. Small quibble I do have is that comparing broken fingers from boxing to MMA isn't comparing apples to apples, since some MMA fights happen without much punching at all, where with boxing, punches is ALL they throw.
OTOH, he also compared boxing to bareknuckle boxing, which closes the gap significantly more (and also still shows that having less padding incentivizes fighters to hit smarter, not harder.)
your voice to explain this is absolutely perfect
I love your no bulls approach. It was a blast to listen to and learn from!
I can't help but chuckle nonstop at this. Absolutely true and perfectly addressed.
Whelp, thank you for this, I am now subscribing, I believe you're the only person I've ever seen who actually used science to back up why a specific fighting style is more effective than another, and that's something I can't believe I never thought of in all my years of researching different topics.
Yeah I'd just be careful about bandying about the word "science" these days. It has become horrendously misused. Instead of pursuit of Truth, it is now egregiously used by every gobshite with an agenda and takes advantage of folks who don't know any better.
I'm not talking about the channel creator here as his points are very well-made and seem to hold a lot of merit.
One of the best deliveries I saw in a video. In more than one way.
This guy is more unhinged than regular youtubers and straight to the point. I might not actually care for this topic right now but I will still watch it
interesting. i guess being black and unhinged is too much then. noted.
@@bigdeadlykicksandkickflips what does color have to do with anything
I definitely broke my metacarpal a few times when I was a teenager learning to box. It took me a while to learn not to throw as hard as I could so often, that was the hardest thing next to learning to duck and slip.
This is by far the most insightful video on fighting that I've ever seen. Top tier
There's one more use for palm strikes I think you didn't mention here or in the last video. Straight palm strikes can be a viable option, when you're fighting in closed quarters and want to land straight shots. Bas Rutten for example showed this in an episode of punk payback (I know, I know....hear me out please). The example was a struggle in a car and the distance was too close to properly punch with a fist. But a palm strike had just the right length to be used to great effect.
Dont listen to Armchair Violence. In his last video at 9:07 he shows a woman slowly PUSHING her knuckles into his forehead and claiming that striking to the forehead does not hurt your knuckles. A slow push is not a strike lol
Its all click bait mate, none of these guys have been in any real fights, especially Ramsey Dewey lol
@@symbolsarenotreality4595 trolling on it's own is pathetic already, but this attempt is even worse. Maybe try to get some fresh air
Yes brother Bas Rutten is the king of open Palm strikes king of pancreas
@@symbolsarenotreality4595I've been punched in the forehead a few times, usually it ends with me not even registering that punch, and the guy punching me getting swollen knuckles.
"to the untrained eye it looks like they are taking a nap" this right here is why I always go WTF when my friends cheer about people being knocked out and hitting their head on the sidewalk or something along the same situation.
"I'm an agent of chaos that just wants to watch the world burn"
love that. subscribed.
this video was spectacular. your arguments / stats were to the point, easy to understand, and well delivered, despite the workout happening in the background.
Brother I just searched for bare knuckle punching and found this. Yes! They tried to sell me the same palm strike crap years ago didn't buy it and stuck to boxing and Karate. And it helped me a lot more than any of these "street defence" they really try pressurise you into believing your knuckles are suddenly fragile like paper. I just completely threw that shit out of my ears respect to you for calling them out!
Also google BKFC to see hundreds of examples that you do *not* break your fists that easily.
Don't they teach you in karate to smack people in the head and neck with the blade of your hand?
@@GangsterFrankensteinComputer A neck strike which has been well-landed to the throat is devastating.
Obviously, not something you'd want to be trying to an opponent's head!
@@GangsterFrankensteinComputer well theoretically yeah there is a knife hand stance but so are punches, palm strikes, elbow strikes and hammers. In practical it’s mostly the punch
@@amartyapandit I always found it easier to smash coconuts using the side of my hand than with my knuckles.
Lol the ending song deserved a sub alone the info was amazing and it made sense ima watch every video this man's has
Awesome video, filled with useful, massively overlooked info!
If there's more to throwing a bare knuckle long hook (lead or not), could you maybe make a tutorial vid on how to throw them?
I was under the impression that during a violent situation, one wouldn't have the composure to consciously move the thumb out of harm's way when throwing a long, lead, bare knuckle hook so it was a case of throwing that punch and hoping for the best.
Odds are, your tone rubs some folks the wrong way because you
1. can articulate your views
2. are unearthing others' ignorance / compliance to orthodoxy (as shown in this video)
3. and because you're young-looking / -sounding (even though age is irrelevant as long as what's being said makes sense).
But I think your delivery is hilarious & entertaining and equally as important as your intellectual content.
It's just a matter of practicing the mechanics. When you first start throwing punches, you have to concentrate on your mechanics and form. Eventually, it becomes second-nature.
If you practice moving that thumb out of the way in your sparring, it will take concentration at first. But eventually it will become automatic anytime you think about throwing the lead hook.
His tone rubs people the wrong way because he's being argumentative and using insulting voices and language while articulating his point.
"martial artists want to seem like they know something regular people don't" I've been saying this for years, charlatans are not only dishonest and selfish, but make it really hard to discern what information is and is not useful.
Thanks for being data-focused and scientific, debunking nonsense people repeat like it's true.
Like, the very first attack in Martial Arts is The PUNCH?!? followed by Front Kick...
I love this post. The same logic applies to “intersectionality” as a supposedly insightful theory in sociology. It’s like people 5,000 years ago didn’t know that being blind AND deaf was worse than being blind OR deaf.
@@ozvega.57Do you do it with the bottom heel or the ball of your foot.
You throw your hip in right, like releasing a bowling bowl/uppercut into the belly button to solar plexus and that also, works surprisingly well.
I sparred with a guy that would drive down a punch at the belly button and have it drive down and inside. No joke, it made me feel like I was going to sheet myself.
Also used to spar an older Filipino guy that did boxing. Not professionally, by any means. But he had much faster hands. So I'd come in with a fast combo. Primarily missing, but challenging him. Then it take my guard and lazily open it up...haha. Wouldn't counter hard with back kick or side, but it was fun to see him bite. Multiple times.
@@BruceWing Sociology is the study of people, so it makes sense that such a field would also focus on studying people who experience being an outcast from the norm on multiple levels within society. Sociologists help, amongst other things, to write the White Paper which government then uses to make political objectives to address the needs of the people - and in such an instance, your presumption that 'being blind and deaf is worse' is not sufficient (It may well turn out that people with multiple disabilities entitle them to more grants, which leads to a better quality of life compared to people with a single disability). When committing an academic study, you cannot presume without testing that presumption, so the term 'intersectionality' finds a valid use - meanwhile you attack the meaning of the word (I assume because you associated the term with modern 'liberal' theory, instead of its basic functionality).
@@Xheph - “Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.”
- George Orwell
When person A observes person B stubbing her toe, person A doesn’t need to be trained in medicine to know that the stubbing of a toe causes pain.
Incredible video! Never cackled more while learning things! 🥊
Good point about power vs placement. Additional to that, timing and combination (striking as a distraction, to weaken/work the opponent, etc) are all good explanations for why full power isn’t always desirable or warranted.
Placement is easy in the sport ring...it gets ten times more difficult in an assault. Very few of us, even myself after decades of training, can depend on placement...but you can always depend on power.
now that you mention gloves causing more hand injury makes so much sense. I was already aware of gloves causing more concussion just didn't think about how that would probably also work in reverse.
I like the format of some clean shaven guy giving scientific martial art information sarcastically whilst beating a heavy bag. Subscribed.
Its like TF2 Scout teaching how to fight.
Subbed.
Your narration was so smooth throughout that whole thing it's insane, instant subbed
Thank you for being the first youtuber I have come across that talks about throwing a punch and actually knows what the f**k they are talking about
I just love how he proceeds to beat the punching bag as he’s explaining this 😂
Massively underrated channel
So much truth that most do not want to hear for some reason in just 10 minutes.
I once gave myself a HUGE black eye walking into a wall in the dark while trying to find the light switch. Can attest, it doesn't take much force, just the right/wrong placement.
Walking involves your entire bodyweight moving forward.
This is why you have to step into a punch to generate your full force and can't punch hard from static footwork.
Just found you and man, awesome content. Your breakdowns and analysis are spot on an your explanations of principles are so helpful to me as an amateur mma fighter.
Really really appreciate it, you will be a fantastic coach.
Fantastic. You got talent beyond combat sports.Meaning teaching.That aint easy...Then take comedy. That is a hard and sometimes very unforgiving art of itself too. Very entertaining as well as informative. Thanks, man!
I love just about everything you said here... and I wish more martial art teachers would say it more often.
No idea how you popped up in my stream, but this was pretty awesome! I can personally attest to your points about padding and the pinky knuckle. I've learned to use the knuckles of the index and middle finger to punch. Still, I have recurring injuries on my pinky knuckles from bag training, where I will throw full force punches (it's a great way to alleviate the stress of the day). I know I'm getting most of the force on the right knuckles, but even with that and the added padding, still it's the pinky knuckle (or the bones behind it, I'm not well-versed in anatomy) that get injured.
Dude, you are my hero.
Love and respect. From Ireland.
excellent video, most people only experience bareknuckle when they decide to take their gloves and wraps off and hit the heavy bag a couple of time and punch in the exact same way they would with gloves, not realizing the technique is different. And when it feels weird they decide that going bareknuckle is a terrible idea and you should never do it
Tell me the different technique
@@saigotheanimator1098 You just have to be more conscious of where you're hitting. Boxing gloves turn your fist into one giant pillow, and how you make contact on it doesn't matter as much. Plus, boxing gloves allow/require you to hit harder.
The technique should be exactly the same. Everyone should be punching in gloves the way you would bareknuckle a target. In general, I would never take tips from anyone who wasn't a world champion in a large organization, or whose tips didn't align with said world champions. That rules out most local boxing gyms
I prefer turning over my long range hooks so that my front 2 knuckles make contact. Similar to what Fedor does, and I've seen this from Dave Leduc in Lethwei also.
I do the same.
Short range: palm faces me
Medium: palm down
Long: palm out
Igor Vovchanchyn did that too
Dont hook in streetfights, especially when you have to reach for it. Go with straight strikes. Obviously in very close corners hook all you want.
How does this guy talk so breathlessly and hit the bag non-stop for 10 minutes at the same time ?? His aerobic fitness is elite.
Cuts and edits.
@@brucele2776really? Can you give me a timestamp of cuts and edits you noticed?
Even as a traditional kung fu guy I never heard this term pure and impure punching; learn new things each day. Well the issue of which knuckles work is more an issue of which punch is being thrown, say horizontal or corkscrew punch (impure punches?) vs a vertical fist (pure punching). When throwing a horizontal punch (ie a standard boxing punch), as the arm, elbow and should twist, and rotate a few things happen to align and strengthen wrist and first two knuckles. First of course is constant muscle tension and corkscrewing that drive the fist through even allow thumb down punches. Second this turning with the shoulder lines those first two knuckles up with the whole arm and body so they are not taking all the impact. However, they 'misalign' the bottom two knuckles, and if hit with a horizontal or corkscrewing fist this way, which is basically the way most people punch out of habit, you are more likely the damage those bottom two knuckles. Now, to the vertical fist found in Wing Chun, many traditional Asian fighting arts and in many older European boxing systems. The issue with the vertical fist is yes, you hit with the bottom three. Punching the this vertical position is where we see this as basically as safe as "first-two knuckle" punches with horizontal fists. In short, if you simply throw out your hand in a relaxed vertical straight punch (like a rock-em sock em Robot lol) it will nearly always land with those bottom three knuckles. It is very difficult and awkward to strike with the first two knuckles in this vertical fist position (there are few systems that teach it with a final wrist flick to strike with those top two though). It is essentially the most "natural" and aligned position of your arm. One way to understand this distinction in alignment is with knuckle push-ups. Do knuckle push-ups with vertical fists on a solid floor and generally you will do this in bottom three without thinking much about it (it is possible to do in on the first two, and is interesting so try that too). Turn to horizontal fists and you will see you basically need to do it on the top two and the align more straight with the wrist and forearm. Anyway great vid and love your take on things.
Nice explanation. You put my exact thoughts into words i doubt those people that break their hands truly know how to punch if they wear gloves. Also to say you cant put power into your fists without gloves when punching saying it will "break it". And tell you how to punch and you shouldnt go over 50% of power...
Underrated part of this video is how smooth your articulation is while you’re hitting the bag and practicing footwork. Amazing breath control here brother, I imagine it’s even better today.
I love that this guy actually knows what he's talking about and shows scientific proof. Very helpful
I've been punching bags (usually not super-heavy ones, but those too sometimes) without gloves since I was a kid (now over 40) and I've never had a problem. The only ways I've ever hurt myself with a punching bag has been by hyperextending my leg when trying to kick it while it's swinging. This insistence that your hands will instantly shatter into a million pieces has always mystified me.
Only time your wrist or any bone/muscle in your hand will break is when you hit too hard with minimal form. Like lifting weights, you should always practice technique before stepping up the power.
Probably because you're not a woman lol.
I’ve heard that it can cause long-term arthritis as well as wrist/knuckle damage, is that true?
@@pointynoodle Yeah without proper wrapping of the wrists/knuckles.
Wicked rant mate 10/10
The study in the link provided, which shows a lower rate of hand bone breaks in bare knuckle boxing, is based on sanctioned fights in the US in recent years. Afaik those all involve hand-wraps, so they are not bare-knuckle in the same way a street fight is.
Your insight on the pure vs impure hand bone breaks, based on emergency room injuries, is invaluable. I have been trying to find out about this for over 20 years! Thank you
“When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.”
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God bless you all and this kind and good teaching youtube channel Amen❤
i accidentality watched this on 1.25x speed and thought mister Armchair had snapped
Damn, now I'm curious...
I saw this comment and immediately thought, "I wish I had spoken slower so I could have sped up the video and made people think I have the speed of a GOD!"
The perfect mix of boxing nerd. Love it. Subscribed.
As a professional bare knuckle boxer I have to say this video is excellent! I've never liked the open palm strike philosphy for many of the reasons you mentioned but also because in a self defense situation, you need to cause damage quickly in the most efficient way. The fact that you are forced potentially to be fighting for your life, negates the fear of hand injury. Most people searching this won't ever have to actually physically defend themselves, and if you do have to then that first strike you throw has to be devastating as yours or your families lives may depend upon it. I'd be much more concered with being knocked unconscious and at the mercy of a bad guy than having my hand in a cast for 6 weeks anyways. Adrenaline will get you through the chaotic couple of seconds before you can get the hell outta there! Great video, thanks
Most of Bas Rutten’s KOs were with an open palm.
Broski you are not bas rutten@@NapoleonGelignite
@@gamingthesystem4252 - sorry, can you point out where I said that? You’re not Bruce Lee.
Of course i am not bruce lee. I can actually f*cking fight. Also you seem to misunderstand me. I was not trying to insult you but i was just pointing out a simple fact. It wasn't that palm strikes are just extremely effective striking techniques and Bas Rutten chose them over punches, It is Bas Rutten who is the extremely effective striking technique who made palm strikes work.There is not a single human who could palm strike harder than he can punch (Unless he has never practiced proper punching and only practiced palm striking) Plus proper punches are safer to throw than palm strikes (Even though i certainly agree with most of what this creator is talking about he is wrong about some things related to proper punching, I would recommend reading championship fighting by Jack Dempsey). Bas Rutten only used palm strikes because in the matches he had in Pancrase did not allow for punches (to the head i think but don't know if punches were just prohibited in general). It wasn't that palm strikes were better than punches he made them work in this situation as he couldn't punch@@NapoleonGelignite
@@gamingthesystem4252 - my apologies for misunderstanding. The Dempsey book is awesome - Dempsey and Tyson are my heroes. FYI I’ve been a martial artist (and boxer for over 30 years) - I’d agree with you almost 100%. I’d say a palm strike to the ear is a finisher if delivered clean. 90% of unskilled fighters will be at the least stunned by a good palm strike to the jaw, a good chance more. My go to is classic 1-2 combo with 0.2 secs between blows.
Just got this randomly recommended it was the opposite of disappointing
Me too!
This guy has Bill Burr energy. So sarcastic and condescending in a really funny way. Got yourself a new subscriber 🤣🤣
Thank you for making this video. Could you develop more on the topic? Like, how traditional Bare Knuckle boxing was heavier on body punches than head punches, or bare knuckle arts have similarities.
Google BKFC to see modern bare knuckle boxing.
im sorry but the expression at 1:40 just had me rolling XDDD....
loving the content dude .... 🤣😂
Respect for throwing non-stop punches and still being able to talk.
Bro has been punching for about 10 minutes straight, mad respect
No, it’s not hard when your punching like him. He’s not giving 100% he’s doing the im bored but wanna move punches
Got to give that requires cardio.
@@yyeezyy630but he's moving tho
you guys are so stupid,... its all fucking edited... nothing about 10min of punching, and babbling all the time, where is his focus you think,...people are getting their fucking grey matter all over the place incredible, LAUGHABLE
And dont forget punching for 10 minutes AND during the punching able to speak ask a great conditioning.
9:00 a sports medicine guy specialized in boxing, i forgot his name, said that boxing glovzs were invented and refined so boxers can hit the head harder and cause more knock outs. It's all for the show at the expanse of the boxers health.
Your commentary immediately had me watching the rest of the video 😂 I agree with all the points you’re making sir
The range gain alone makes it important. The only time palm strikes are better is if you already have an advantage. However scratching, gouging, and slapping are all excellent open hand techniques that rarely get used and are all at least as good as palm strikes.
And don't forget that the rotational force of that "impure" punch creates a force that drives deeper instead of spreading out so they can do more damage but are less effective at creating space (which isn't what punching is usually for)