I usually hate them vs us stuff but nerfing every good gen slowdown, including Deadlock which wasn’t OP at all for some reason, while leaving survivor gen perks completely untouched is just a very questionable and survivor biased change
this is nowhere near the first time they've made unbelievably survivor biased changes, it's a shame and it will continue as nearly 12 feng min skins are bought a day
Not only that, they BUFFED survivors and that makes this a recipe for disaster. I already ran into a sabo squad and I was forced to slug (if I wanted to win) and caught shit in the after chat for doing it. 🙄
Deadlock has long been the facecamper's (and now chokepoint/proxy camper) wet dream perk. It does way too much for way too little. It will still help do what it is supposed to do (intel+force off gen+Pig trap delays) and anyone using it without abusing it is safe. The only real change is whether or not people will have a different response to a Deadlocked gen, between rotate and wait. If people are waiting, then you can get into chase with them easily within the timeframe. If it forced them to rotate, the timer didn't matter anyways.
Boss: "Ok, guys! We have perks that feel way too oppressive on oppressive killers and feel kinda medium/decent on decent killers. What do we do to balance that?" Intern: "Nerf the oppressive killers, since the problem is with the killers, not the perks." Intern: *Gets thrown off the building*
the new meta will be endgame perks like NOED, No Way Out, Bloodwarden, etc. Since it's now impossible to defend gens effectively, they will just prepare for the eventual endgame
Idk which games you playing but every damn game we can’t even get our due to all the gen regression perks. Get to 2-3 gens and it stalls with pain, pop, grim, dead man, dead lock. Smdh. Killer win rate 68% and ppl still crying until their win rate is 99%!
My biggest concern is that these nerfs are going to incentivize killer players towards substantially more “toxic” methods of play to achieve victory. Without perks to slow down gen progression, the killer will have to slow the game down in other ways. And we all know the closest thing to that is intense amounts of slugging. BHVR did not think this through
Killers already doing it. I'm a killer main but played a few matches as survivor today and 3-4 man slug at 5 gens. I don't even blame them. BHVR nerfing stuff that needs buffed causes toxic gameplay moving forward
@@Daventry85 Yep and then they'll listen to the whiners and give basekit unbreakable to survivors. Seriosuly, we're heading back to a meta where it was just too easy to bully the killer.
Idk which games you playing but every damn game we can’t even get our due to all the gen regression perks. Get to 2-3 gens and it stalls with pain, pop, grim, dead man, dead lock. Smdh.
I get the frustration because SWF squads are absolutely gonna have a field day and teabag their way to winning smugly and being all ggez. But listen. As a guy who primarily plays SoloQ, none of this matters. Soloq is just gonna do whatever the hell they want and no amount of nerfing gen regress is gonna fix that. BHVRs changes only help toxic SWF teams out here but people like me? No change. I'd MUCH rather be able to see teammate perks on the match lobby before we nerf every killer perk to the floor in some misguided attempt to balance the game.
As a killer main (I hate the whole us and them thing but there’s always someone saying “you don’t get the other perspective” on both sides) I TOTALLY AGREE. Every single time I play solo queue I don’t care about pop pain res or nowhere to hide and eruption, I just want to have some information and I want to have a good time. As killer it’s so sad because at this point the decision is two simple options: “WIN” and “PLAY ENJOYABLY.” There used to be a mix with just one strong slowdown perk and some other perks of choice but now… it’s damn Pain Res + Nowhere to Hide + Lethal + Eruption or 0-1 kills (and, just to make you even more likely to play comp Nurse, teabags and clicky clicky at the exit gates)
I understand that massive regression isnt fun for survivors but this update just fucks the people that dont run 4 regression perks on every killer. I liked having only pop on some of my killers bc I thought it did good enough damage and gave me space for some more interesting perks but now I feel like pop alone just wont do enough against a good team. I love your idea with the pick 10 system but I recently got the idea that maybe perks could just be categorized so you can only use one or two perks of each category.
@@Riley1393save got gutted bro, play an m1 with and without it you save such little time fully stacked and that only Incentivizes a tunneling style of gameplay, as the obsession will be the one to do gens or try to take hits and slow you down even more
Kinda the same for me... To be honest i really like the game, but every time i enjoy myself with it, they just do consistently questionable changes to the point i start losing the will to play. With the Elden ring DLC at the door and i needing more storage space, that was just the cue to unistall
Idk which games you playing but every damn game we can’t even get our due to all the gen regression perks. Get to 2-3 gens and it stalls with pain, pop, grim, dead man, dead lock. Smdh. Killer win rate 68% and ppl still crying until their win rate is 99%!
@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN Nurse has the lowest winrate out of all the killers, please stop using that as a metric to measure balance lmao, it's very flawed.
Y’all who feel this way just need to get better tbh. If corrupt/deadlock or pain res/dead man’s switch isn’t enough slowdown for you, you’re doing something wrong
Don’t know why deadlock was nerfed but ok. What’s funny is that even before the nerfs gens would still fly and now they will still fly even more. I dont get the reasoning. This isn’t like the gen kick meta. You can’t just constantly regress gens anymore so why?
You just have to actually have good/short/chases now, unfortunately this pushes low tier killers into even more obscurity and irrelevance as they relied on these perks just to have a chance against good survs
These perk changes are good without the context that killer strength is so incredibly varied and the game literally has to be balanced around S tier killers or else it will get out of control
@@kxenyy And then survivors complain baout only going against Nurse, Wesker, Blight etc all the strong really fast killers, because they're the only ones that can keep up in this idiotic meta that BHVR is pushing. oh and when survivors do go up against someone playing a weaker killer they get super "toxic" because its a killer they can genrush and bully, then get pissy when they get a 4-man out and tell the player to "git gud". -_-
Idk which games you playing but every damn game we can’t even get our due to all the gen regression perks. Get to 2-3 gens and it stalls with pain, pop, grim, dead man, dead lock. Smdh.
No this will absolutely kill them, i think many people don't remember it, but we had similar situations last year with made for this, you saw for 2 months straight Huntress, Blighty nurse, back to back. That meta was so piss poor for my low tiers even i started playing blight just so i can enjoy the game. ( and yes hes fun lmao) This will happen again @@kxenyy
I'm not sure what I'm doing yet. If I see a lot of Sabo squads, I'm just going to do a slug build. Maybe an endgame build. Or I guess tunneling it is too bad it felt like dbd was a little more fun to play, so now I guess we go back to not fun playstyle. Chaos shuffle was an eye opener for me. I thought perks were the problems. No, it's gens are too quick. Granted, I didn't get regression perks, and survivors got like 5 plus a team plus 2 brand new parts still better than normal dbd. But yes, gens are flying. So we nerf Gen defense and buff repair speeds feels like a really bad thing too do.
Idk which games you playing but every damn game we can’t even get our due to all the gen regression perks. Get to 2-3 gens and it stalls with pain, pop, grim, dead man, dead lock. Smdh. Killer win rate 68% and ppl still crying until their win rate is 99%!
@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN 68 percent? Well, if it's that high, I'm surprised, but it's also a fake number. How many games are determined because you have an afk blueberry early. How many games are lost because survivors throw themselves at hooks in endgame? How many games are lost because you're more interest in bully killer than winning? I understand as I play both roles and win more than I lose as a killer it's usually I win because survivors were not efficient for many number of reasons. I lose because survivors decide to play to win and gen rush while having hood map rng, and I didn't run regression or tunnel, and now I'm down to 1 Gen with 4 hooks. As survivors, I usually solo, and I lose because tunneling or I win because no tunneling. For me, I don't run three of those perks hardly ever and barely use pop. However, I recognize how important they are. As a survivor, I run sweaty builds as I am solo and don't know my team quality. My fear as a survivor is now tunneling, and camping will be even worse as it will feel like what else can killer do? Slug end game build is not really going to happen. I don't know, man, games were feeling better on both sides. I now think it's going to get bad again real quick, hopefully not.
@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYNFrankly, if you are being serious, you’re so out of proportion that I’m honestly guessing this is rage bait. Being so understanding of survivor problems, I seriously can’t imagine someone so exaggerating. But hey man, remember, games are for fun. There are people seriously struggling out there with real shit. My best friend’s mum died today and that reminded me that my problems like the DbD meta or having 5 hours more homework than I’d like are not that big a deal. Really man, maybe I disagree with you, but take it easy.
I think the core issue is not entirely gin regression in fact, I say it’s the opposite. The reason why killers feel the need to use general regression is because gens are going insanely quick. With the right build I can Do a generator in 27 seconds. Solo. That’s right with a specific build you can do a general not only under 45 seconds but almost in 20. How is a killer supposed to counter that? In my opinion, if we are going to focus on fixing gen regression, we also need to focus on probably adding a cap onprogression. So that we don’t have these situations where Jens are done so insanely quickly that killers feel there is zero chance to win the game unless they use scummy tactics or all regression especially on killers who are not in a tier or higher especially now that we have the limit on how much a killer can actually kick generators. Survivors have basically made it to where they will always win given enough time that there is no real counter to their rush, tactics and if you play in any way to try to slow them down, you will be screamed at for being a horrible killer. What I think needs to happen is we need to address certain issues with generator perks quite a lot of them don’t stack a additionally they stack multiplicatively with each other other. I think we need to bury the 3G kick limit until we are actually at two or one Gen in order to make some perks like eruption not useless again. I think that there needs to be something like when one generator is completed all progress and all other generators are reverted back to zero or buy a progression percentage like 80% or something like that in order to prevent three pops incredibly quickly and encourage survivors to actually, coordinate or something. the current way the generators are done is not sustainable and is causing every single toxic thing in this game. We need to address it.
I can tell you right now on june 5 I played 4 hours survivors and 80% of my matches were killers just camping and tunneling at 5 gens I was trying counter this with this build: Reassurance, Kindred, and Open handed to waste the killers time camping, but my randoms would always do stupid stuff like saving the survivor 5 seconds later after using reassurance This wouldn't be a problem with swf, but randoms, oh boy, it's hell
Yeah man, as a killer main who, frankly, has just given up on playing their favourite killers and now just plays Nurse 70% of games, I don’t think any of us are upset at individual survivors or solo Q lobbies because they’re free. Generally if it’s obvious they’re playing solo Q I let them out and try not to tunnel. It’s just the SWFs running Prove, Hyperfocus + Stakeout, Background Player, Off the Record, DH, DS, Adren, Deli, and 4 commodious toolboxes that we hate
Idk which games you playing but every damn game we can’t even get our due to all the gen regression perks. Get to 2-3 gens and it stalls with pain, pop, grim, dead man, dead lock. Smdh. Killer win rate 68% and ppl still crying until their win rate is 99%!
@@Edwin-iw8gb must be skill issue all these killer mains crying cause their OP regression perks nerfed 5% 🤣. Let’s make it skill vs skill. No regression perks at all! If you can’t win and out loop then that’s on you. 🤓🤓🤓😉🙃👈🏻. Killers can go on long 1 months chases and when they done, their crazy Op regression / slowdown perks will undo all, that’s why killers unskilled. If they so skilled then remove all regression. 💯👈🏻
@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYNthat's why i love this random perks game mode surv without their 40k second chance perks fall off easly and as killer i just adapted to my useless perks (like this huntres one with show you when surv is close to basement if you are away or bb and chilli at indoor map)
All this is gonna do is lead to more camping/tunneling, leading to more survivors complaining about it and genrushing, causing the DBD community to be at eachothers throats once again
Killers will still carry these perks. They are needed. What is there else to do? If you want to regress Gens, this is all you have .. Especially if you didn't want to play in a very unfun way. People complain about killers with gens .. they won't like it now when all the slow down methods are gone. Slugging and singling out the weakest survivor is going to be the meta now. No more going for more people or more chases. Thanks to BHVR ..
Last night had a match where all my scourge hooks were on the other side of the map and even running agitation I still wouldn't have been able to make it to one after most of my downs. That combined with Toba landing just being a shit map left me with a 1k at the end with gens popping left and right.
Me anytime I try useing Scourge Hooks any time on RPD, hell even MacMillian was a pain because they all spawned on the edges of the map. where survivors aren't going down. Like, if they're going to be random, up the number to 8 or better yet, make all of them Scourge Hooks. -_-
Idk which games you playing but every damn game we can’t even get our due to all the gen regression perks. Get to 2-3 gens and it stalls with pain, pop, grim, dead man, dead lock. Smdh. Killer win rate 68% and ppl still crying until their win rate is 99%!
@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN I don't run slowdowns because I care about winning. It is entirely possible to win without them. I run slowdowns so 4 gens don't pop before I get a down - which is how it can feel to play killer a lot of the time.
Destroy all gen defense without addressing why you HAVE to use them then also buff sabo In the same patch so gens fly faster than ever and you can't even get consistent hooks
Idk which games you playing but every damn game we can’t even get our due to all the gen regression perks. Get to 2-3 gens and it stalls with pain, pop, grim, dead man, dead lock. Smdh. Killer win rate 68% and ppl still crying until their win rate is 99%!
I do not understand the developers. This is like trying to fix a sinking ship by scooping the water out with your hands instead of patching the hole. And don't expect it to get any better since BVHR just recently laid off 95 people. Oh well. Guess I'll go play Killer Klowns for a while.
so, to solve the problem of certain killers being too strong with some perks. they choose to change the universally affected perk instead of the confined killers causing this issue. that's really fun 😁
guys I’ve got another strategy just play skull merchant. you don’t even have to do anything the survivors will give up on their own. don’t need gen defense when the survivors rage before touching a gen 😎
@@cjames9320that means nothing, ofc they want a player base and they want sales but you really think, they want us to have fun? Like actually enjoy using perks and playing killers. Hahaha no dude they don’t care look at their poster boy trapper got one buff in 6 years
@@cjames9320it’s also a licensed chapter ofc they are going to buff it when people cry the powers are dogshit, only took two weeks and yet it took six months for mft, yeah bro devs don’t care unless it’s money going in the pocket
I'd rather they make attempts at shaking the meta up and learning from it than doing nothing. Pain Res and Pop are still solid perks to use and lower tier can still utilize Surge or Ruin/Pentimento. I think it's too early to be saying the sky is falling right now
I feel like chaos shuffle already gave us a taste of what happens when killers don't have reliable gen slowdown, they're going to begin tunneling more and more and I'm sure lower tier killers are going to become even rarer than they already are. Blight, Nurse, and Spirit are killers that can get by just fine without slowdown when playing against competent survivors, other killers not so much. Survivor players are gonna hate year 8.
People in comments talking like tunneling/proxy camping was a myth before these changes. like they themselves didn't defend those 'tactics' even with 4 strong slowdowns.
Nerfing perks is easier than reworking almost all maps. The maps are the issue, they always have been, and sadly most maps these days have at least one 3 gen that doesn't take much to defend (just look at the new map; I don't even bother going down in the tower to kick the gens, I let them do them and then I have my 4 gens above ground that I can easily patrol and defend), and if you have a lot of gen regression, it just becomes a never-ending game of kicking and touching the gens. I agree that it was unnecessary to nerf the perks as they've already been nerfed not too long ago, and on their own, they weren't an issue, the problem is you could stack them with each other and that could become the issue, but it takes a lot less effort and resources to just change the numbers in a perk than rework dozens of maps and their gen spawns. Also, let's not forget that a lot of new killers are easy to 3 gen with, and that's why they're so popular (has anyone else noticed a rise in Skull Merchant players the last couple weeks? I go against at least three per night). I feel like if the 3 gen killers weren't in the game, the gen perks wouldn't have gotten nerfed so hard. I hope that one day they'll fix the maps and then buff perks again, for both killers and survivors, but I feel like that's never going to happen because it would be too much effort. Until then, we'll just have to live with them nerfing everything into oblivion so the game becomes more and more unfun for everyone.
I just play with chase and all in perk builds like end game and do well and have fun. Also, survivors dont expect it and dont play around them as well. Meta is boring for everybody, im always mixing perks on both sides, so choas Shuffle was normal and fun. Wish they kept it in the game. Im sure they will bring it back on a rainy day for a band-aid.
meanwhile the survivor meta has changed almost none in 8 years straight. Dead hard and made for this are not op anymroe, but other than that? gen speeds high as ever.
Adrenaline got nerfed recently, dead hard isn’t easy to use any more and is MAX 2 uses per game, who TF is using MFT anymore? Conspicuous actions were added to the game so you can’t sit on a gen with DS or OTR active, DS got nerfed, buffed and then nerfed again to 4 seconds, buckle up and FTP was broken (after buckle up was trash for years and then temporarily useless) and so they reworked buckle up, again. Self care used to be used all the time and is rarely seen any more. CoH was too strong so that got nerfed and then nerfed again and then nerfed again so you hardly see that any more. You made your statement about the survivor meta like killers haven’t been more or less running the same 20 perks every trial for the last 8 years like survivors have. Both sides will always lean towards the strongest perks available.
@@hewmanbeing I said the Survivor meta did not change, i didnt say the survivor meta wasnt getting nerfs at all. The killer meta was shaking left and right much more often.
@@liandre9035 you sure about that? You’re all complaining that your precious gen perks are being nerfed because those have been your meta perks for YEARS
@@hewmanbeing Are you kinda dumb? Can you not read? Where do you gather that im talking about my own perks that i use? The killer meta was much more diverse over the years than the survivor meta. Do you have any facts against this statement or just blatant dumb-talk?
@@hewmanbeing My meta was Pop at first, and ONLY pop. When it was still instant loss and not current, then they overnerfed it and i switched to DMS+Pain res. But that got nerfed hard too (Pain res with only limitted amount of hooks became trash.) Then i went to Grim embrace. So no, i didnt use the same perks for "years" but while the killer meta barely stays alive for a fiew weeks, Dead hard took 8 years to finally go. And you wanna sit here and talk BS, acting as if there was no bias from the developers? YOU?
These devs have no idea how their game works. They only balance the game based on perks and killer powers. They don't think about gen speed, 4v1, 3v1, etc situations, map size, map balance with pallets and vaults, map instructions for killers with ranged attacks, etc.
Say it with me. The devs hate killer and killer players. This is a survivor game and the killer is viewed 100% as a NPC bot at best, a necessary annoyance for the cash shop at worst. Uninstalling is the solution here.
I generally don’t run gen slowdown builds but with the new killer I started using Surge, Unforeseen, Friends Till the End and Discordance. Previously I was using Nowhere to Hide instead of Surge but Vecna is pretty good at detecting nearby survivors with his orb and if I’m kicking nearby gens then Surge will often activate on generators being worked on which I wasn’t aware of, particularly on the lower areas of the new map.
I limit myself to using only 2 gen perks for B+ killers and 3 on the weaker ones. Now I feel cornered and feel the need to bring 3 gen perks all the time since they're overall weaker. Also, B. Player had a tradeoff, I hope they brought back 60 sec duration Pop because killers need to choose where to use it now.
Why they keep nerfing perks,? Just Revert survivor speed boost when taking damage. The problem with Nerfs is when new perks come it then screws things up and can't hold with all the new updates. While killers are in a good spot the problem is tunneling still not nerfs.
I already wasn't using Pain Res and found gen kick builds with Unforeseen mixed in getting me good results. I agree that more killers will start leaning into gen kicks.
Take away both regression and progression perks. We all know survivors don’t even use the progression perks. Make it as you say, truly “skill expression”. Skill vs skill. I’m for it!
It's very rare for me to agree with a dbd content creator on so many points. I think Devour/Undying/Ruin/Pentimento has potential, even though Ruin is obviously kind of trash. Devour though and Penti are nice.
I disagree with the statement that there will be a new gen regression build. I think its more likely we will see an endgame meta going forward. If you win early, it's by your own skill, if you win late, its because of your perks
The fact that the game is balanced around the player on the killer role having some sort of gen protection and then nerfing them will lead to nothing good like ya stated. I know they did this for newer player because more people will try DbD cause of the crossover with D&D but come on man. How many nerfs do y’all need on Pain Res and Pop?
@@kxenyy tunneling has always been necessary at competitive levels, it's by far the fastest way to kill the first survivor. Mixing hooks is just not viable when gens get done in about six minutes.
@@kxenyy its lots and lots of gen regression nerfs plus lots and lots of boosts to gen progression. To say oh its only 5% bro is gas lighting. If you dont like killers playing that way talk to Behavior because that is the direction of the game. Expect more tunneling, camping, slugging, end game builds, and people playing the same top tier killers all the time.
Good thing the Killer Klowns game just dropped. I ain't suffering through killer matches until gen regression gets reverted, these gen speeds are stupid quick.
The disappointing part about this whole dance is that it's such an easy problem to solve. Instead of balancing generator repair speeds around regression perks, they could just make regression perks weak, slow down gen speeds to account for that, and then everyone wins. Killers get to run chase or endgame perks, or try to come up with cool builds that actually synergize with their powers instead of being forced to run 4 slowdown perks just to keep from getting 5 gen'd in the first three minutes, and survivors could bring more interesting perks instead of running meta gen rushing perks and loadouts, as well as have a more interesting gameplay experience (since chasing and being altruistic is just innately more stimulating than sitting in a corner holding M1) It's so obvious, and yet BHVR just don't get it. I don't know if it's a function of them not playing their own game, like how they needed to play a match on stage years ago to finally nerf v1 flashlights, or if it's just stubbornness or trying to prove they "know best", but they refuse to just take this very easy step to make the game fun. It's bizarre.
Well, this wouldn´t be surprising at all. But Im still not sure about eruption. Sure, it is still better than pop at this point, but it takes away 2 kicks per use. But I guess it makes sense when less enjoyable tactics are employed, which focuses on winning as fast and efficiently as possible because gens are now going to fly in a supersonic speed.
One of the best chapter released with one of the worst balance update released. This game needs basekit changes for killers. One of the biggest problem is that 1st survivor can die between 3rd hook and 9th hook. How can you balance around that? This is why I would suggest introducing "mori token system". After getting at least 5 hooks on 3 different survivors and nobody is dead. Game will give killer mori on 6th down no matter the hookstates of survior. This will average 1st survivor death more and then they can make hardcore tunneling even more punishing. Like anti face camp expanding range if outisde chase etc. I don't believe killer should see hook progress nor reassurance to make proxy camp strategy even weaker.
What I resort to now is playing a killer with high mobility like wraith hilly Billy etc and basically going on a track around all gens and kicking them constantly to avoid gen rushing
This time i am on killer side.not a single good gen defence left,when i play killer after the update i feel it now-i need to play nearly perfect game to win and my wins dropped a lot.gen rush is insane,every 2 game i have someone with invocation and every single game etleast 1 toolbox with bnp,if you play low tier killer like me(onryo) it is gg i think the only valuable way to play as a killer is sluging-i had only wins with sluging build for now
I am giving this game a chance till the end of 2024 and if nothing changes along with the demanding of a all wellness chapter, then I am going to stop spending money entirely and just play the game till it falls apart.
As a survivor I am not at all worried if we go to Feb kick if these are the perks all of them are a joke, new eruption alone uses to regression events per use
Ive never agreed with the "its bad for new players CHANGE IT NOW"... ive been away from the game for 2/3 months and already know that im going to have to learn what these new perks do, the layout of the new maps. Playing DBD you realise that things are going to constantly change and you just have to deal with it and keep up with the updates. I started playing 2020 during the "2nd ruin meta" and honestly enjoyed just learning how to adapt to everything, i think if BHVR realised that literally NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO the game is always going to be alot to take in for the player, you have to accept that when you start playing the game.
I think the issue here is that these aren’t ran by themselves. But that’s not what is deserved for these perks. They need to create a way to worsen gen slow down/regression but only when you run more of them. A basic example would be like “If you have 3 regressions the value of your regression goes down by 20% So pain rez becomes 10 pop becomes 24% etc etc” But when you run 2 or so it’s got no penalty. Because the only issue with these perks is vsing a strong killer or player with a full gen regression/slowdown build. But this is just me trying to find a way to keep the value of these while dealing with the strength of them in more sweaty unfun builds. I run penti plaything a lot and I will always run it because it buys a lot of time and it gives you free hits. people have slept on its strength for so long.
I use pop and eruption, to get that 10% back but just a little later, plus is promotes chases which is fun. Ive been play alot of vecna and my full build is plaything, eruption, pop, no where to hide. Plaything give survivors another thing to do taking them off gens. But wven then gens still pop really fast against any competent team
man, why can't people just run fun builds, like why meta every time there's so many perks so many combinations, but no, we all go meta, because if i don't they will
So overdramatic. These perks are still STRONGER than they were before they were buffed the first time. Let’s also look at a few more points that everyone fails to mention: gen speeds were already nerfed over a year ago. Toolboxes were already nerfed too. Even one of these perks can completely undo all of the progress of the best toolbox. The speed at which killers kick gens was buffed over a year ago. The base regression amount was increased. Gen tapping was removed. All of that and you still HAVE to rely on gen regression perks that can be synchronized for even more value? That’s not enough, however. Gen pressure isn’t just about regressing gens. I guess if you all knew that though you wouldn’t be acting like it’s the end of the world. Slowdown perks still exist such as Corrupt Intervention which can completely counter Deja Vu thus making it easier for the killer to establish a 3-gen. Speaking of 3-gens if you have ever actually run Deja Vu you’d see that it’s actually possible for every single gen on some maps to be in a 3-gen. Oh, but 3-genning was removed? No, holding a 3-gen indefinitely was removed. 8 regression events per generator is more than generous, and if you need to keep regressing the same three gens you aren’t winning the game - you are stalling it. No different than survivors who just hide in lockers the entire time, but we also have a mechanic for that - idle crows. But slowdown isn’t limited to perks - most killers either have built-in slowdown or the ability to patrol gens easily or a combination of the two. Let’s go over some of those. Pig - some of the best slowdown in the game, and you don’t just get that but also the chance to kill a survivor while being able to ignore them or to just make them an easier target overall. Doctor - other than the ability to shock survivors off of gens from a distance you can slow them down by progressing them to tier 3 madness. Skill checks also become more difficult. Run Merciless Storm and you’re guaranteed value. Wraith and Hillbilly can traverse one side of the map to the next with ease and get stealth and instadowns to cut down on chase times. Unknown can use his projectile from a distance to patrol gens and potentially injure or down survivors repairing them not to mention his ability to instantly teleport from one place to the next. Knight and Skull Merchant are able to zone gens and get information on who is working them. Freddy, while lackluster, can teleport directly to generators. Demogorgon can place portals near gens and gain stealth when using them. Dredge can teleport to lockers to patrol gens easier while taking advantage of nightfall to provide slowdown or catch repairers off-guard. Nurse & Blight clearly have no problem patrolling gens or limiting chase times for obvious reasons. Legion gets incredible speed and information through their power, and can utilize it to cut down chase times while providing slowdown through mending. They can also pretty much keep survivors injured or get even more slowdown if they choose to keep healing. Plague gets the same benefit of keeping survivors injured. Xenomorph can travel to gens incredibly fast through her tunnels. Singularity can patrol gens from a distance and teleport to survivors working on them. Trapper can slow survivors down with his traps and can potentially use those traps to protect gens. Hag can also trap gens and utilize said traps for easier traversal and chases. Spirit, Oni, Twins, Wesker, and Onryo all have great mobility through their powers with the added benefits of stealth (Spirit), and instadowns (Oni.) Wesker and Onryo have built in slowdown through their powers and can punish survivors who don’t try to counter them far easier. Nemesis also gets a slowdown similar to Wesker’s. Really good Huntress players can snipe survivors from a distance. Clown can utilize his bottles to chase survivors off of gens. Pinhead has the best slowdown in the entire game by either keeping survivors off of gens with the lament configuration or making them nearly impossible to do should it go unsolved. Artist can get information and chase survivors off of gens from across the map. Even killers like Myers and Ghost Face, though without higher mobility and zoning powers, can utilize stealth and exposed to end chases faster. That’s not even to mention hex perks which provide general slowdown, add-ons that affect generators, and other general slowdown perks like Thanataphobia & Dying Light as well as unique perks like Tinkerer or Surveillance. The perks that were nerfed weren’t even nerfed that hard (as I said they are still stronger than they were pre-buff for the most part.) And people complaining that survivor perks were left untouched? Let’s go over those too… Prove Thyself was already nerfed a year ago. It can be powerful but also requires gathering on the same gen which is not something good survivors tend to do outside of clutch situations. Deja Vu is best for making space between gens, the 6% is also good in clutch situations but doesn’t provide a game-breaking advantage. Technician will prevent loud noise notifications but regress your gen even further. Stake Out is a great perk that is easily lessened via undetectable killers and perks, and despite being great it still doesn’t provide enough of a boost on its own to make a huge difference, once again, outside of clutch situations. Better Together simply shows other survivors what gen you’re working on. Great if you’re relying on Prove Thyself but better to spread out the pressure. Repressed Alliance can prevent the killer from kicking your gen…. right away…. But also won’t protect it from perks that regress gens. Built to Last can be amazing if you bring the best toolbox and add-ons but requires you waste time in a locker, and your progress from said toolbox can still be undone. Visionary is a useless perk. Fast Track can provide great value but mostly in clutch situations and only when your team is at a greater risk. Blast Mine can slow a killer down but won’t stop them from regressing your gen. Rookie Spirit can be helpful, but is typically a waste of a perk slot. Overzealous can be strong if things go right for you, but you lose your bonus every time you lose a health state. Hyperfocus can also be incredibly strong, but requires a lot of skill to utilize well, is reset anytime you stop repairing, and can be a risk due to the speed at which your skill checks can go. Quick Gambit was buffed but is still rather useless overall. Friendly Competition is another great perk but also once again comes down to grouping together on gens. Scavenger was nerfed into uselessness before the chapter even went live. And then we have Invocation and Bardic Inspiration. Even post-buff you won’t find Weaving Spiders on my load out. When you’re down to 1-2 gens it can be incredibly helpful for killers who are pressuring gens well, but I’d much rather have a non-broken teammate doing regular gens than 3 teammates doing 80 second gens because the user was tunneled out. And Bardic Inspiration is also great but requires time to use that could, in most cases, be better spent just sitting on a gen. So of all those gen perks that survivors have the only ones that can often make a huge difference are Built to Last, Overzealous, Hyperfocus, Fast Track, and Weaving Spiders but all are either situational, come at a great cost, require time that could be spent simply repairing gens, or can be easily undone or countered by most regression perks. Killers also get slowdown by simply hooking survivors. Anytime you are able to keep survivors off of gens whether they are healing, cleansing, or dealing with a killer power you are taking advantage of slowdown, and killers who can end chases faster with powers that favor chases or utilizing exposed and stealth mechanics will also be given a greater advantage when it comes to slowing down gen progress. There’s a reason less than 40% of survivors escape their trials on average.
bhvr really needs to understand that if a perk is so high in pick rate, it's not because it's op or anything, it's because it's necessary so either they rework how killers get rewarded by hooking survivors or shit like proxy camping and hard tunneling will never be out of the game
@@kxenyy If you tunnel and camp you don't get to use those perks much, I always used pain res and sometimes pop to play effectively without tunneling anyone, not sure I am going to use those perks anymore, maybe pain res but pop is now trash in my opinion.
@@kuppa391 Pain res is still really strong at 20%, just not quite as oppressive. It still suffers from rng tho so i can see it being used less from now on (which isn’t a bad thing)
Yet they do not nerf the gen rush meta where a SWF or duo can complete gens in 5 minutes.... I enjoy using thrilling or deadman's because I can focus on chases, the part both sides enjoy most.
We love making Killers having to rely on tunnelling, starting a cycle of negativity due to Survivors not being able to play the game and Killers having to be defensive about it because they legit have no other viable way to win. Thanks Behaviour.
At this point I’ve been using pentimento/plaything just to give more slowdown if they choose to cleanse and if they don’t I get free hits with my lack of terror radius. Then I use two chase perks usually bamboozle and brutal but sometimes I’ll add surge.
Idk which games you playing but every damn game we can’t even get our due to all the gen regression perks. Get to 2-3 gens and it stalls with pain, pop, grim, dead man, dead lock. Smdh. Killer win rate 68% and ppl still crying until their win rate is 99%!
Ruin 2.0 and Pop weren't the issue in that Meta, them combined with unlimited Tinkerer made the the combo OP. Gen regression perks on their own aren't the issue, however together combined create the issue and gives an insane leverage the moment 4v1 turns into 3v1. Killers get rewarded for tunneling and slugging with absolutely no counterplay while using gen regression perks at the start of the match turning it into a 5 gen match with 3 survivors. These perks need to get stronger later, not earlier and it is why I feel it's time that generator have a different objective to powering up gates, meaning they need to have an additional requirement or change the way generator power up works. That is the only thing that Dead by Daylight can do at this point to save the game.
now that the rng of distortion and overcharge skillchecks rivalling pain res and pop, is in play watch this new meta come to fruition, only for fucking distortion and overcharge nerfs to further reinforce the dev's brain damaged design ideologies
Survivors have it good, the devs nerf perks that get used a lot but exhaustion speed which is used in 80% of loadouts will never get nerfed because the same exact effect is split into multiple perks that all activate differently but do the same thing.
I'm still mad that Sprintburst into Lythe with Resliance is faster the Legion's Fereal Frenzie, like sure it's only a quick burst for about 3 or so seconds but that is an incredibly long time, especially if the SP+Lythe person is the first person you see as Legion and they continuooisly 99 their perk, it becomes a pain in the ass real quick.
@hewmanbeing I could be mistaking speintburst for lythe into balanced with resilience, because I've had a survivor just get the zoomies with that combo or lythe+resilience. All I know is that whatever combo they had, they were faster than 3-chain deep Legion Frenzie which was incredibly dumb.
@hewmanbeing I know, I'm probabbly misremwmbering something, either way all I saw was someone drop off a high barrier and then just run off faster than Legion Frenzie could catch up. It might have been someone cheating for all I know.
I think meta won't change a lot, maybe pop , but thats all. Ratcher average players will play on top tier killers, or midle one witch best addon. Nurse, Spirit, Wesker, Oni and so on. And map offering wiil be more common
I completely agree! Ratcheting up the killer play once again. No creativity allowed,...I see the same perks you have mentioned and I will experiment with hex perks again but they get cleansed in a minute by a good team, so there is nowhere the killer can really turn to. Enter the dark ages of DBD sadly
I know I have enjoyed taking Retribution, Haunted, Undying, and Devour. Good chance to get 2 Haunteds, then Devour, and each cleanse I get to see them all.
BHVR is either getting ready to kill the game and try to pull out DBD 2 or just fucking stupid to see the long-term. Every logical explanation to their decisions this past year will conclude on either of these.
@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYNbardic inspiration and weaving spiders not to mention reducing the charges consumed on sabotage means that players will be able to essentially do and sabotage at the same time. Anyone with half a brain can see that the core issue is not going to be resolved by doing this DBD needs to address the insane generator progression as with the right combo, you can do a general in 27 seconds
I'll be honest and say that I disagree with your conclusions. Your analysis is spot on, the most fun part about DbD is the chase ***AND*** the hide-and-seek elements, with there being two notably divided camps on the issue and, quite literally, the argument of what to do about gens getting in the way. Generators are intended to serve as a point of forced interaction, which is why coms were initially banned. Excessive coordination breaks the original, intended balance of the game, which has been well proven, and the devs have spent years trying to figure out this ONE problem after being bullied into putting coms in. With all of that in mind, the truly optimal choice would be to remove the generators as a condition for winning. don't remove them all together, but don't make them the core objective either. Instead, have each match on a 15 minuet timer and make it so each generator knocks one minuet off the timer, with 8 generators in the match, this ensures that killers would have at least 7 minuets to hunt down and kill survivors. So what to do about generators? simple, remove all the gen kick/regression buffs and remove the limit to kicking generators (*also give more points per kick). Gen kicking is an essential part of blood point farming for killers, which is an important part of matches that give players a needed break form the sweat and even anger towards dumb things in the game or players (on either side) playing like jerks. Now what about gen regression perks? remove them from the game entirely or make them block generators for a short duration to reward the killer for additional chases, What about gen speed perks? nerf them but keep them in the game. remember, the killer has a guaranteed 7 min in game and in normal DbD that's average time for a 2k. Yes, this ensures that killers will basically get kills. But what else this allows for is: 1) darker, spookier maps that are better for hiding; 2) maps that are better designed for a solid mix between hiding and chase; 3) builds that line up with the DbD lore in which teammates might even sacrifice their friends as a means of beating the clock 4) matches in which it is impossible for killers/survivors to hold the other side hostage. 5) truly scary killers, this simple design change opens the doors for older killers to have more unique powers and traps designed to hunt down survivors without the fear of a SWF demolishing generators and leaving before they even have a chance to begin building pressure. 6) and so very much more, already late from intermission so I need to get moving, lol. My change, coupled with your perk currency and some perk reworks could turn this game into something that is incredibly satisfying to the casual and competitive player, especially if the devs reinstate the win condition for any survivor to get out alive, meaning they have to beat the clock. For those who take issue with this, please understand that this would be the most lore accurate way to play the game on many levels, starting with the simple fact that the survivors aren't actually against the killer, they are surviving a gauntlet which the killer is both the tool and trap that needs to be survived against. By having a set timer, survivors will need to do more than work as a team to "beat the killer", they will also have to consider sandbagging each other in order to avoid being caught and killed with no way out other than potentially sacrificing a friend. Killers won't be under pressure to force kills quickly, the devs will have so much more breathing room to deal with camping/tunneling/slugging, survivors will need more varied builds not only to survive the killer, but also each other, and it allows for more trolly perks or perks/survivors who are more hostile to the others.
Two months after the video dropped and already feeling the effects. Sweaty Killers have since started slugging for kills again because there is no consistent gen defense, weaker killers are vanishing by the day, and 2V8 is taking over the scene to fill the void. I play killer almost exclusively and actually kinda dropped off because of how sweaty the gen rush builds are. I had three gens pop in the first 30 seconds of a match today. I was playing singularity with a stealth build. They called me trash when I allowed them to unhook when there was only one gen left, despite only having four hook states.
Has the gen kick update a few month back get reverted? Had some teammates befreind a killer and the killer just kept kicking the gen. Over a dozen times
9:44 right and facing Killer with 4 gen regression perks which is i think the reason why they nerf these perks, they should make some perk not stackable No one like Gens
Ive noticed behavior when making new perks is they never think about it long term. They just release something that's strong and good to rope people in to give them money. Then they just nerf it later once the money dries up. Rinse and repeat
I once heard someone say that the reason why many survivors want things nerfed for killer is because they want to go back to a time when killers were easy to bully, because they had little to no tools to counter toxic playstyles such as instant-blinds, infinants and locker blinds. It looks like the game is slowly moving back towards a meta, where killers will be bullied but by gens moving so fast that they can only really play the game in EGC then have no choice but to watch survivors TBag their way out of the gate.
Another thing is the devs only know gen/ move speed buffs or nerfs. They really can’t think of anything other than gen defense/offense and holding w
I usually hate them vs us stuff but nerfing every good gen slowdown, including Deadlock which wasn’t OP at all for some reason, while leaving survivor gen perks completely untouched is just a very questionable and survivor biased change
this is nowhere near the first time they've made unbelievably survivor biased changes, it's a shame and it will continue as nearly 12 feng min skins are bought a day
Not only that, they BUFFED survivors and that makes this a recipe for disaster. I already ran into a sabo squad and I was forced to slug (if I wanted to win) and caught shit in the after chat for doing it. 🙄
There is only one dev I know who has actually played the game online still active in BHVR and he only plays survivor.
Deadlock has long been the facecamper's (and now chokepoint/proxy camper) wet dream perk. It does way too much for way too little. It will still help do what it is supposed to do (intel+force off gen+Pig trap delays) and anyone using it without abusing it is safe. The only real change is whether or not people will have a different response to a Deadlocked gen, between rotate and wait. If people are waiting, then you can get into chase with them easily within the timeframe. If it forced them to rotate, the timer didn't matter anyways.
@@HockeyM.M. I hope f13 the game comes back
Boss: "Ok, guys! We have perks that feel way too oppressive on oppressive killers and feel kinda medium/decent on decent killers. What do we do to balance that?"
Intern: "Nerf the oppressive killers, since the problem is with the killers, not the perks."
Intern: *Gets thrown off the building*
the new meta will be endgame perks like NOED, No Way Out, Bloodwarden, etc. Since it's now impossible to defend gens effectively, they will just prepare for the eventual endgame
Idk which games you playing but every damn game we can’t even get our due to all the gen regression perks. Get to 2-3 gens and it stalls with pain, pop, grim, dead man, dead lock. Smdh. Killer win rate 68% and ppl still crying until their win rate is 99%!
@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN i ask you which games are you playing
@@pedrobeli2942clearly the matches you aren't playing at your low mmr
The problem with eruption is since the gen kick limit got added you can only use it 4 times per gen
Lmao ONLY 4 times per gen. If you haven’t killed them all by that point you’re doing something very wrong.
@@David_Hypnos im saying in comparison to all other perks which can be used twice as much, not saying 4 times is needed
My biggest concern is that these nerfs are going to incentivize killer players towards substantially more “toxic” methods of play to achieve victory. Without perks to slow down gen progression, the killer will have to slow the game down in other ways. And we all know the closest thing to that is intense amounts of slugging. BHVR did not think this through
They need to make NOED basekit
Oh yea im definitely doing this. I dont want to but i can already feel how powerful gen rushing is right now.
Only thing they listen to is money machine going brrr
@@cjames9320 and DS for survivors
The majority already do this those few make not a big difference
The hit on renato when he exits the portal lmfao 😂😂😂
The Age of Gens is over.
The Time of the Slug has come.
Killers already doing it. I'm a killer main but played a few matches as survivor today and 3-4 man slug at 5 gens. I don't even blame them. BHVR nerfing stuff that needs buffed causes toxic gameplay moving forward
@@Daventry85 Yep and then they'll listen to the whiners and give basekit unbreakable to survivors. Seriosuly, we're heading back to a meta where it was just too easy to bully the killer.
Idk which games you playing but every damn game we can’t even get our due to all the gen regression perks. Get to 2-3 gens and it stalls with pain, pop, grim, dead man, dead lock. Smdh.
The time to be a failure has come
@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN then you aren't very good. No if and's or buts. I have been seeing nothing but 3 and 4 man outs.
Idk what BHVR is doing atp survivors complain abt tunneling and camping but yet BHVR does this to killer mains 💀🤷🏽♂️
Especially as pain res and grim encouraged mixing hooks 😂
I get the frustration because SWF squads are absolutely gonna have a field day and teabag their way to winning smugly and being all ggez. But listen. As a guy who primarily plays SoloQ, none of this matters. Soloq is just gonna do whatever the hell they want and no amount of nerfing gen regress is gonna fix that. BHVRs changes only help toxic SWF teams out here but people like me? No change. I'd MUCH rather be able to see teammate perks on the match lobby before we nerf every killer perk to the floor in some misguided attempt to balance the game.
As a killer main (I hate the whole us and them thing but there’s always someone saying “you don’t get the other perspective” on both sides) I TOTALLY AGREE. Every single time I play solo queue I don’t care about pop pain res or nowhere to hide and eruption, I just want to have some information and I want to have a good time. As killer it’s so sad because at this point the decision is two simple options: “WIN” and “PLAY ENJOYABLY.” There used to be a mix with just one strong slowdown perk and some other perks of choice but now… it’s damn Pain Res + Nowhere to Hide + Lethal + Eruption or 0-1 kills (and, just to make you even more likely to play comp Nurse, teabags and clicky clicky at the exit gates)
They nerfed Gen slow down again and then buffed toolboxes. BHVR is crazy af
Jokes on you, I’ve been running full hex builds with pentimento for months now. I’m ahead of the game.
Living up to your name I see
Shaman builds are so fun.
I understand that massive regression isnt fun for survivors but this update just fucks the people that dont run 4 regression perks on every killer. I liked having only pop on some of my killers bc I thought it did good enough damage and gave me space for some more interesting perks but now I feel like pop alone just wont do enough against a good team.
I love your idea with the pick 10 system but I recently got the idea that maybe perks could just be categorized so you can only use one or two perks of each category.
There goes deadlock, save the best for last , no way out and corrupt !!
And killers get grim embrace as the only upside, devs just don’t care about balance
They love butchering killers perks because crybaby survivors think it's annoying
Dead lock is still good it was only 5 seconds and stbfl will still be good
@@Riley1393save got gutted bro, play an m1 with and without it you save such little time fully stacked and that only Incentivizes a tunneling style of gameplay, as the obsession will be the one to do gens or try to take hits and slow you down even more
stbfl is alredy trash since its last nerf.
Haven't played in a while, but everything I hear inspires me to never come back.
I remember grinding so hard to unlock these perks without payment.
Kinda the same for me... To be honest i really like the game, but every time i enjoy myself with it, they just do consistently questionable changes to the point i start losing the will to play. With the Elden ring DLC at the door and i needing more storage space, that was just the cue to unistall
@@pokijuubmnkjnl elden ring really shows you what other games are utter trash compared to it. A game made with actual passion
What's next? no more killers!
only bot killers allowed who go for 12 hooks and dont tunnel
@@sirgando3774 8 hooks* killing survivors is actually toxic and problematic.
Idk which games you playing but every damn game we can’t even get our due to all the gen regression perks. Get to 2-3 gens and it stalls with pain, pop, grim, dead man, dead lock. Smdh. Killer win rate 68% and ppl still crying until their win rate is 99%!
@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN Nurse has the lowest winrate out of all the killers, please stop using that as a metric to measure balance lmao, it's very flawed.
At this moment, i feel like the best gen defense will be slugging
Y’all who feel this way just need to get better tbh. If corrupt/deadlock or pain res/dead man’s switch isn’t enough slowdown for you, you’re doing something wrong
Don’t know why deadlock was nerfed but ok. What’s funny is that even before the nerfs gens would still fly and now they will still fly even more. I dont get the reasoning. This isn’t like the gen kick meta. You can’t just constantly regress gens anymore so why?
You just have to actually have good/short/chases now, unfortunately this pushes low tier killers into even more obscurity and irrelevance as they relied on these perks just to have a chance against good survs
These perk changes are good without the context that killer strength is so incredibly varied and the game literally has to be balanced around S tier killers or else it will get out of control
@@kxenyy And then survivors complain baout only going against Nurse, Wesker, Blight etc all the strong really fast killers, because they're the only ones that can keep up in this idiotic meta that BHVR is pushing.
oh and when survivors do go up against someone playing a weaker killer they get super "toxic" because its a killer they can genrush and bully, then get pissy when they get a 4-man out and tell the player to "git gud". -_-
Idk which games you playing but every damn game we can’t even get our due to all the gen regression perks. Get to 2-3 gens and it stalls with pain, pop, grim, dead man, dead lock. Smdh.
No this will absolutely kill them, i think many people don't remember it, but we had similar situations last year with made for this, you saw for 2 months straight Huntress, Blighty nurse, back to back. That meta was so piss poor for my low tiers even i started playing blight just so i can enjoy the game. ( and yes hes fun lmao) This will happen again @@kxenyy
I'm not sure what I'm doing yet. If I see a lot of Sabo squads, I'm just going to do a slug build. Maybe an endgame build. Or I guess tunneling it is too bad it felt like dbd was a little more fun to play, so now I guess we go back to not fun playstyle. Chaos shuffle was an eye opener for me. I thought perks were the problems. No, it's gens are too quick. Granted, I didn't get regression perks, and survivors got like 5 plus a team plus 2 brand new parts still better than normal dbd. But yes, gens are flying. So we nerf Gen defense and buff repair speeds feels like a really bad thing too do.
Idk which games you playing but every damn game we can’t even get our due to all the gen regression perks. Get to 2-3 gens and it stalls with pain, pop, grim, dead man, dead lock. Smdh. Killer win rate 68% and ppl still crying until their win rate is 99%!
@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN 68 percent? Well, if it's that high, I'm surprised, but it's also a fake number. How many games are determined because you have an afk blueberry early. How many games are lost because survivors throw themselves at hooks in endgame? How many games are lost because you're more interest in bully killer than winning? I understand as I play both roles and win more than I lose as a killer it's usually I win because survivors were not efficient for many number of reasons. I lose because survivors decide to play to win and gen rush while having hood map rng, and I didn't run regression or tunnel, and now I'm down to 1 Gen with 4 hooks. As survivors, I usually solo, and I lose because tunneling or I win because no tunneling. For me, I don't run three of those perks hardly ever and barely use pop. However, I recognize how important they are. As a survivor, I run sweaty builds as I am solo and don't know my team quality. My fear as a survivor is now tunneling, and camping will be even worse as it will feel like what else can killer do? Slug end game build is not really going to happen. I don't know, man, games were feeling better on both sides. I now think it's going to get bad again real quick, hopefully not.
@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN I love that your biased ass has nothing to do but copy paste your bullshit in this comment section
@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYNFrankly, if you are being serious, you’re so out of proportion that I’m honestly guessing this is rage bait. Being so understanding of survivor problems, I seriously can’t imagine someone so exaggerating. But hey man, remember, games are for fun. There are people seriously struggling out there with real shit. My best friend’s mum died today and that reminded me that my problems like the DbD meta or having 5 hours more homework than I’d like are not that big a deal. Really man, maybe I disagree with you, but take it easy.
I still see 4 gen regression/prevention in every lobby so I'd say this meta isn't going anywhere.
It just happened. Wait until they beat up enough solos to get swfs. Everything is sunshine and rainbows til you get to swf mmr.
@@Wastingsometimehere Well... Gotta love how as a solo i have to eat up every meta to the face, but hey! At least SWFs will bully them indefinitely xd
@@LightWavess Yup. The swf >killer>solo rule never changes. I just wish killers would know when they are facing a swf or not an ease up on the gas.
I think the core issue is not entirely gin regression in fact, I say it’s the opposite. The reason why killers feel the need to use general regression is because gens are going insanely quick. With the right build I can Do a generator in 27 seconds. Solo.
That’s right with a specific build you can do a general not only under 45 seconds but almost in 20. How is a killer supposed to counter that? In my opinion, if we are going to focus on fixing gen regression, we also need to focus on probably adding a cap onprogression. So that we don’t have these situations where Jens are done so insanely quickly that killers feel there is zero chance to win the game unless they use scummy tactics or all regression especially on killers who are not in a tier or higher especially now that we have the limit on how much a killer can actually kick generators. Survivors have basically made it to where they will always win given enough time that there is no real counter to their rush, tactics and if you play in any way to try to slow them down, you will be screamed at for being a horrible killer.
What I think needs to happen is we need to address certain issues with generator perks quite a lot of them don’t stack a additionally they stack multiplicatively with each other other. I think we need to bury the 3G kick limit until we are actually at two or one Gen in order to make some perks like eruption not useless again. I think that there needs to be something like when one generator is completed all progress and all other generators are reverted back to zero or buy a progression percentage like 80% or something like that in order to prevent three pops incredibly quickly and encourage survivors to actually, coordinate or something. the current way the generators are done is not sustainable and is causing every single toxic thing in this game. We need to address it.
I can tell you right now on june 5 I played 4 hours survivors and 80% of my matches were killers just camping and tunneling at 5 gens
I was trying counter this with this build: Reassurance, Kindred, and Open handed to waste the killers time camping, but my randoms would always do stupid stuff like saving the survivor 5 seconds later after using reassurance
This wouldn't be a problem with swf, but randoms, oh boy, it's hell
Yeah man, as a killer main who, frankly, has just given up on playing their favourite killers and now just plays Nurse 70% of games, I don’t think any of us are upset at individual survivors or solo Q lobbies because they’re free. Generally if it’s obvious they’re playing solo Q I let them out and try not to tunnel. It’s just the SWFs running Prove, Hyperfocus + Stakeout, Background Player, Off the Record, DH, DS, Adren, Deli, and 4 commodious toolboxes that we hate
If I need to slug more then the survivors can’t complain about killers slugging!!
Idk which games you playing but every damn game we can’t even get our due to all the gen regression perks. Get to 2-3 gens and it stalls with pain, pop, grim, dead man, dead lock. Smdh. Killer win rate 68% and ppl still crying until their win rate is 99%!
@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN skill issue
@@Edwin-iw8gb must be skill issue all these killer mains crying cause their OP regression perks nerfed 5% 🤣. Let’s make it skill vs skill. No regression perks at all! If you can’t win and out loop then that’s on you. 🤓🤓🤓😉🙃👈🏻.
Killers can go on long 1 months chases and when they done, their crazy Op regression / slowdown perks will undo all, that’s why killers unskilled. If they so skilled then remove all regression. 💯👈🏻
@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN i agree let's remove all gen regression and gen progression perks and items
@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYNthat's why i love this random perks game mode surv without their 40k second chance perks fall off easly and as killer i just adapted to my useless perks (like this huntres one with show you when surv is close to basement if you are away or bb and chilli at indoor map)
All this is gonna do is lead to more camping/tunneling, leading to more survivors complaining about it and genrushing, causing the DBD community to be at eachothers throats once again
Killers will still carry these perks. They are needed. What is there else to do? If you want to regress Gens, this is all you have .. Especially if you didn't want to play in a very unfun way. People complain about killers with gens .. they won't like it now when all the slow down methods are gone. Slugging and singling out the weakest survivor is going to be the meta now. No more going for more people or more chases. Thanks to BHVR ..
Last night had a match where all my scourge hooks were on the other side of the map and even running agitation I still wouldn't have been able to make it to one after most of my downs. That combined with Toba landing just being a shit map left me with a 1k at the end with gens popping left and right.
Me anytime I try useing Scourge Hooks any time on RPD, hell even MacMillian was a pain because they all spawned on the edges of the map. where survivors aren't going down. Like, if they're going to be random, up the number to 8 or better yet, make all of them Scourge Hooks. -_-
Idk which games you playing but every damn game we can’t even get our due to all the gen regression perks. Get to 2-3 gens and it stalls with pain, pop, grim, dead man, dead lock. Smdh. Killer win rate 68% and ppl still crying until their win rate is 99%!
@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN I don't run slowdowns because I care about winning. It is entirely possible to win without them. I run slowdowns so 4 gens don't pop before I get a down - which is how it can feel to play killer a lot of the time.
Destroy all gen defense without addressing why you HAVE to use them then also buff sabo In the same patch so gens fly faster than ever and you can't even get consistent hooks
The new meta is tunneling and camping. Player removal is the best gen defense and gen regression.
And this is why I don't play gen goalie, I'm a chaser.
I like that you keep plugging in your point system.
Also, why nerf gen reg' but give a ton of gen prog???
Because selling 4 cosmetics for 4 survivors is more profitable than selling 1 weapon skin to 1 killer
Idk which games you playing but every damn game we can’t even get our due to all the gen regression perks. Get to 2-3 gens and it stalls with pain, pop, grim, dead man, dead lock. Smdh. Killer win rate 68% and ppl still crying until their win rate is 99%!
When gen progression is there? You know damn well no one is sharing any gen progression works 😂. They been nerfed that shh tonthe ground.
@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYNctrl+c ctrl+v
i will be playing much less lenient now theres no more room for wasted time
I do not understand the developers. This is like trying to fix a sinking ship by scooping the water out with your hands instead of patching the hole.
And don't expect it to get any better since BVHR just recently laid off 95 people. Oh well. Guess I'll go play Killer Klowns for a while.
i keep thinking your profile picture is kiryu from yakuza
so, to solve the problem of certain killers being too strong with some perks. they choose to change the universally affected perk instead of the confined killers causing this issue. that's really fun 😁
guys I’ve got another strategy
just play skull merchant. you don’t even have to do anything the survivors will give up on their own. don’t need gen defense when the survivors rage before touching a gen 😎
The devs just want people to spend money not have fun or play an actual game. They don’t care and will continue to do this
They literally alrered the product post-purchase
@@cjames9320that means nothing, ofc they want a player base and they want sales but you really think, they want us to have fun? Like actually enjoy using perks and playing killers. Hahaha no dude they don’t care look at their poster boy trapper got one buff in 6 years
@@cjames9320it’s also a licensed chapter ofc they are going to buff it when people cry the powers are dogshit, only took two weeks and yet it took six months for mft, yeah bro devs don’t care unless it’s money going in the pocket
I'd rather they make attempts at shaking the meta up and learning from it than doing nothing.
Pain Res and Pop are still solid perks to use and lower tier can still utilize Surge or Ruin/Pentimento.
I think it's too early to be saying the sky is falling right now
@dakotad3970 yeah i agree, I'm saying they shouldn't be allowed to alter what I've already paid for.
I feel like chaos shuffle already gave us a taste of what happens when killers don't have reliable gen slowdown, they're going to begin tunneling more and more and I'm sure lower tier killers are going to become even rarer than they already are. Blight, Nurse, and Spirit are killers that can get by just fine without slowdown when playing against competent survivors, other killers not so much. Survivor players are gonna hate year 8.
People in comments talking like tunneling/proxy camping was a myth before these changes.
like they themselves didn't defend those 'tactics' even with 4 strong slowdowns.
Nerfing perks is easier than reworking almost all maps. The maps are the issue, they always have been, and sadly most maps these days have at least one 3 gen that doesn't take much to defend (just look at the new map; I don't even bother going down in the tower to kick the gens, I let them do them and then I have my 4 gens above ground that I can easily patrol and defend), and if you have a lot of gen regression, it just becomes a never-ending game of kicking and touching the gens. I agree that it was unnecessary to nerf the perks as they've already been nerfed not too long ago, and on their own, they weren't an issue, the problem is you could stack them with each other and that could become the issue, but it takes a lot less effort and resources to just change the numbers in a perk than rework dozens of maps and their gen spawns.
Also, let's not forget that a lot of new killers are easy to 3 gen with, and that's why they're so popular (has anyone else noticed a rise in Skull Merchant players the last couple weeks? I go against at least three per night). I feel like if the 3 gen killers weren't in the game, the gen perks wouldn't have gotten nerfed so hard.
I hope that one day they'll fix the maps and then buff perks again, for both killers and survivors, but I feel like that's never going to happen because it would be too much effort. Until then, we'll just have to live with them nerfing everything into oblivion so the game becomes more and more unfun for everyone.
I just play with chase and all in perk builds like end game and do well and have fun. Also, survivors dont expect it and dont play around them as well. Meta is boring for everybody, im always mixing perks on both sides, so choas Shuffle was normal and fun. Wish they kept it in the game. Im sure they will bring it back on a rainy day for a band-aid.
meanwhile the survivor meta has changed almost none in 8 years straight. Dead hard and made for this are not op anymroe, but other than that? gen speeds high as ever.
Adrenaline got nerfed recently, dead hard isn’t easy to use any more and is MAX 2 uses per game, who TF is using MFT anymore? Conspicuous actions were added to the game so you can’t sit on a gen with DS or OTR active, DS got nerfed, buffed and then nerfed again to 4 seconds, buckle up and FTP was broken (after buckle up was trash for years and then temporarily useless) and so they reworked buckle up, again.
Self care used to be used all the time and is rarely seen any more. CoH was too strong so that got nerfed and then nerfed again and then nerfed again so you hardly see that any more.
You made your statement about the survivor meta like killers haven’t been more or less running the same 20 perks every trial for the last 8 years like survivors have. Both sides will always lean towards the strongest perks available.
@@hewmanbeing I said the Survivor meta did not change, i didnt say the survivor meta wasnt getting nerfs at all.
The killer meta was shaking left and right much more often.
@@liandre9035 you sure about that? You’re all complaining that your precious gen perks are being nerfed because those have been your meta perks for YEARS
@@hewmanbeing Are you kinda dumb? Can you not read? Where do you gather that im talking about my own perks that i use?
The killer meta was much more diverse over the years than the survivor meta. Do you have any facts against this statement or just blatant dumb-talk?
@@hewmanbeing My meta was Pop at first, and ONLY pop. When it was still instant loss and not current, then they overnerfed it and i switched to DMS+Pain res. But that got nerfed hard too (Pain res with only limitted amount of hooks became trash.) Then i went to Grim embrace.
So no, i didnt use the same perks for "years" but while the killer meta barely stays alive for a fiew weeks, Dead hard took 8 years to finally go. And you wanna sit here and talk BS, acting as if there was no bias from the developers? YOU?
These devs have no idea how their game works. They only balance the game based on perks and killer powers. They don't think about gen speed, 4v1, 3v1, etc situations, map size, map balance with pallets and vaults, map instructions for killers with ranged attacks, etc.
Say it with me. The devs hate killer and killer players. This is a survivor game and the killer is viewed 100% as a NPC bot at best, a necessary annoyance for the cash shop at worst. Uninstalling is the solution here.
I think eruption should go back to how it was since it requires losing two gen regression stages.
Gen Kick Meta 2: Eruption Boogaloo
I generally don’t run gen slowdown builds but with the new killer I started using Surge, Unforeseen, Friends Till the End and Discordance.
Previously I was using Nowhere to Hide instead of Surge but Vecna is pretty good at detecting nearby survivors with his orb and if I’m kicking nearby gens then Surge will often activate on generators being worked on which I wasn’t aware of, particularly on the lower areas of the new map.
Yup, dbd is survivor sided confirmed
I limit myself to using only 2 gen perks for B+ killers and 3 on the weaker ones. Now I feel cornered and feel the need to bring 3 gen perks all the time since they're overall weaker. Also, B. Player had a tradeoff, I hope they brought back 60 sec duration Pop because killers need to choose where to use it now.
Why they keep nerfing perks,? Just Revert survivor speed boost when taking damage. The problem with Nerfs is when new perks come it then screws things up and can't hold with all the new updates.
While killers are in a good spot the problem is tunneling still not nerfs.
I already wasn't using Pain Res and found gen kick builds with Unforeseen mixed in getting me good results.
I agree that more killers will start leaning into gen kicks.
This video is proof that skill expression in DBD is not a thing if we require perks to even have a chance on some killers. Same goes for survivors.
Take away both regression and progression perks. We all know survivors don’t even use the progression perks. Make it as you say, truly “skill expression”. Skill vs skill. I’m for it!
i started to run knight with franklins, save best for last ,dying light , and hex face of darkness
It's very rare for me to agree with a dbd content creator on so many points. I think Devour/Undying/Ruin/Pentimento has potential, even though Ruin is obviously kind of trash. Devour though and Penti are nice.
I disagree with the statement that there will be a new gen regression build.
I think its more likely we will see an endgame meta going forward.
If you win early, it's by your own skill, if you win late, its because of your perks
I mostly agree, I think we're just one meta away from it
The fact that the game is balanced around the player on the killer role having some sort of gen protection and then nerfing them will lead to nothing good like ya stated. I know they did this for newer player because more people will try DbD cause of the crossover with D&D but come on man. How many nerfs do y’all need on Pain Res and Pop?
Just slug, tunnel and use end game builds. Forget about gens.
Or don’t play like a loser dude
@@kxenyythere's nothing wrong with wanting to win
@@krirub8166 If a 5% pain res regression nerf makes you have to slug ,camp and tunnel to win then you just aren’t a good killer player, sorry
@@kxenyy tunneling has always been necessary at competitive levels, it's by far the fastest way to kill the first survivor. Mixing hooks is just not viable when gens get done in about six minutes.
@@kxenyy its lots and lots of gen regression nerfs plus lots and lots of boosts to gen progression. To say oh its only 5% bro is gas lighting.
If you dont like killers playing that way talk to Behavior because that is the direction of the game. Expect more tunneling, camping, slugging, end game builds, and people playing the same top tier killers all the time.
Good thing the Killer Klowns game just dropped. I ain't suffering through killer matches until gen regression gets reverted, these gen speeds are stupid quick.
The disappointing part about this whole dance is that it's such an easy problem to solve. Instead of balancing generator repair speeds around regression perks, they could just make regression perks weak, slow down gen speeds to account for that, and then everyone wins. Killers get to run chase or endgame perks, or try to come up with cool builds that actually synergize with their powers instead of being forced to run 4 slowdown perks just to keep from getting 5 gen'd in the first three minutes, and survivors could bring more interesting perks instead of running meta gen rushing perks and loadouts, as well as have a more interesting gameplay experience (since chasing and being altruistic is just innately more stimulating than sitting in a corner holding M1)
It's so obvious, and yet BHVR just don't get it. I don't know if it's a function of them not playing their own game, like how they needed to play a match on stage years ago to finally nerf v1 flashlights, or if it's just stubbornness or trying to prove they "know best", but they refuse to just take this very easy step to make the game fun. It's bizarre.
Well, this wouldn´t be surprising at all.
But Im still not sure about eruption. Sure, it is still better than pop at this point, but it takes away 2 kicks per use. But I guess it makes sense when less enjoyable tactics are employed, which focuses on winning as fast and efficiently as possible because gens are now going to fly in a supersonic speed.
One of the best chapter released with one of the worst balance update released. This game needs basekit changes for killers.
One of the biggest problem is that 1st survivor can die between 3rd hook and 9th hook. How can you balance around that?
This is why I would suggest introducing "mori token system". After getting at least 5 hooks on 3 different survivors and nobody is dead. Game will give killer mori on 6th down no matter the hookstates of survior. This will average 1st survivor death more and then they can make hardcore tunneling even more punishing. Like anti face camp expanding range if outisde chase etc. I don't believe killer should see hook progress nor reassurance to make proxy camp strategy even weaker.
Me: Hey! They nerfed the FTP+Buckle up combo!
Friend: really? And what did it cost?
Me: 🥺
Pssst ftp and bloodpact will replace it
What I resort to now is playing a killer with high mobility like wraith hilly Billy etc and basically going on a track around all gens and kicking them constantly to avoid gen rushing
If you want slow down just use dead lock and that one trickster perk that stalls the exit gates.
This time i am on killer side.not a single good gen defence left,when i play killer after the update i feel it now-i need to play nearly perfect game to win and my wins dropped a lot.gen rush is insane,every 2 game i have someone with invocation and every single game etleast 1 toolbox with bnp,if you play low tier killer like me(onryo) it is gg i think the only valuable way to play as a killer is sluging-i had only wins with sluging build for now
I am giving this game a chance till the end of 2024 and if nothing changes along with the demanding of a all wellness chapter, then I am going to stop spending money entirely and just play the game till it falls apart.
As a survivor I am not at all worried if we go to Feb kick if these are the perks all of them are a joke, new eruption alone uses to regression events per use
Ive never agreed with the "its bad for new players CHANGE IT NOW"... ive been away from the game for 2/3 months and already know that im going to have to learn what these new perks do, the layout of the new maps. Playing DBD you realise that things are going to constantly change and you just have to deal with it and keep up with the updates. I started playing 2020 during the "2nd ruin meta" and honestly enjoyed just learning how to adapt to everything, i think if BHVR realised that literally NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO the game is always going to be alot to take in for the player, you have to accept that when you start playing the game.
I think the issue here is that these aren’t ran by themselves. But that’s not what is deserved for these perks.
They need to create a way to worsen gen slow down/regression but only when you run more of them. A basic example would be like “If you have 3 regressions the value of your regression goes down by 20%
So pain rez becomes 10 pop becomes 24% etc etc”
But when you run 2 or so it’s got no penalty.
Because the only issue with these perks is vsing a strong killer or player with a full gen regression/slowdown build.
But this is just me trying to find a way to keep the value of these while dealing with the strength of them in more sweaty unfun builds.
I run penti plaything a lot and I will always run it because it buys a lot of time and it gives you free hits.
people have slept on its strength for so long.
I'll tell you what's next. Franklin's Demise + Weave Attunement meta.
I use pop and eruption, to get that 10% back but just a little later, plus is promotes chases which is fun. Ive been play alot of vecna and my full build is plaything, eruption, pop, no where to hide. Plaything give survivors another thing to do taking them off gens. But wven then gens still pop really fast against any competent team
man, why can't people just run fun builds, like why meta every time there's so many perks so many combinations, but no, we all go meta, because if i don't they will
I typically dont run meta at all and even in the low tier stuff a good game is usually 2 kills. Lots of no kill games.
So overdramatic. These perks are still STRONGER than they were before they were buffed the first time. Let’s also look at a few more points that everyone fails to mention: gen speeds were already nerfed over a year ago. Toolboxes were already nerfed too. Even one of these perks can completely undo all of the progress of the best toolbox. The speed at which killers kick gens was buffed over a year ago. The base regression amount was increased. Gen tapping was removed. All of that and you still HAVE to rely on gen regression perks that can be synchronized for even more value?
That’s not enough, however. Gen pressure isn’t just about regressing gens. I guess if you all knew that though you wouldn’t be acting like it’s the end of the world. Slowdown perks still exist such as Corrupt Intervention which can completely counter Deja Vu thus making it easier for the killer to establish a 3-gen. Speaking of 3-gens if you have ever actually run Deja Vu you’d see that it’s actually possible for every single gen on some maps to be in a 3-gen. Oh, but 3-genning was removed? No, holding a 3-gen indefinitely was removed. 8 regression events per generator is more than generous, and if you need to keep regressing the same three gens you aren’t winning the game - you are stalling it. No different than survivors who just hide in lockers the entire time, but we also have a mechanic for that - idle crows. But slowdown isn’t limited to perks - most killers either have built-in slowdown or the ability to patrol gens easily or a combination of the two.
Let’s go over some of those. Pig - some of the best slowdown in the game, and you don’t just get that but also the chance to kill a survivor while being able to ignore them or to just make them an easier target overall. Doctor - other than the ability to shock survivors off of gens from a distance you can slow them down by progressing them to tier 3 madness. Skill checks also become more difficult. Run Merciless Storm and you’re guaranteed value. Wraith and Hillbilly can traverse one side of the map to the next with ease and get stealth and instadowns to cut down on chase times. Unknown can use his projectile from a distance to patrol gens and potentially injure or down survivors repairing them not to mention his ability to instantly teleport from one place to the next. Knight and Skull Merchant are able to zone gens and get information on who is working them. Freddy, while lackluster, can teleport directly to generators. Demogorgon can place portals near gens and gain stealth when using them. Dredge can teleport to lockers to patrol gens easier while taking advantage of nightfall to provide slowdown or catch repairers off-guard. Nurse & Blight clearly have no problem patrolling gens or limiting chase times for obvious reasons. Legion gets incredible speed and information through their power, and can utilize it to cut down chase times while providing slowdown through mending. They can also pretty much keep survivors injured or get even more slowdown if they choose to keep healing. Plague gets the same benefit of keeping survivors injured. Xenomorph can travel to gens incredibly fast through her tunnels. Singularity can patrol gens from a distance and teleport to survivors working on them. Trapper can slow survivors down with his traps and can potentially use those traps to protect gens. Hag can also trap gens and utilize said traps for easier traversal and chases. Spirit, Oni, Twins, Wesker, and Onryo all have great mobility through their powers with the added benefits of stealth (Spirit), and instadowns (Oni.) Wesker and Onryo have built in slowdown through their powers and can punish survivors who don’t try to counter them far easier. Nemesis also gets a slowdown similar to Wesker’s. Really good Huntress players can snipe survivors from a distance. Clown can utilize his bottles to chase survivors off of gens. Pinhead has the best slowdown in the entire game by either keeping survivors off of gens with the lament configuration or making them nearly impossible to do should it go unsolved. Artist can get information and chase survivors off of gens from across the map. Even killers like Myers and Ghost Face, though without higher mobility and zoning powers, can utilize stealth and exposed to end chases faster.
That’s not even to mention hex perks which provide general slowdown, add-ons that affect generators, and other general slowdown perks like Thanataphobia & Dying Light as well as unique perks like Tinkerer or Surveillance. The perks that were nerfed weren’t even nerfed that hard (as I said they are still stronger than they were pre-buff for the most part.) And people complaining that survivor perks were left untouched? Let’s go over those too…
Prove Thyself was already nerfed a year ago. It can be powerful but also requires gathering on the same gen which is not something good survivors tend to do outside of clutch situations. Deja Vu is best for making space between gens, the 6% is also good in clutch situations but doesn’t provide a game-breaking advantage. Technician will prevent loud noise notifications but regress your gen even further. Stake Out is a great perk that is easily lessened via undetectable killers and perks, and despite being great it still doesn’t provide enough of a boost on its own to make a huge difference, once again, outside of clutch situations. Better Together simply shows other survivors what gen you’re working on. Great if you’re relying on Prove Thyself but better to spread out the pressure. Repressed Alliance can prevent the killer from kicking your gen…. right away…. But also won’t protect it from perks that regress gens. Built to Last can be amazing if you bring the best toolbox and add-ons but requires you waste time in a locker, and your progress from said toolbox can still be undone. Visionary is a useless perk. Fast Track can provide great value but mostly in clutch situations and only when your team is at a greater risk. Blast Mine can slow a killer down but won’t stop them from regressing your gen. Rookie Spirit can be helpful, but is typically a waste of a perk slot. Overzealous can be strong if things go right for you, but you lose your bonus every time you lose a health state. Hyperfocus can also be incredibly strong, but requires a lot of skill to utilize well, is reset anytime you stop repairing, and can be a risk due to the speed at which your skill checks can go. Quick Gambit was buffed but is still rather useless overall. Friendly Competition is another great perk but also once again comes down to grouping together on gens. Scavenger was nerfed into uselessness before the chapter even went live. And then we have Invocation and Bardic Inspiration. Even post-buff you won’t find Weaving Spiders on my load out. When you’re down to 1-2 gens it can be incredibly helpful for killers who are pressuring gens well, but I’d much rather have a non-broken teammate doing regular gens than 3 teammates doing 80 second gens because the user was tunneled out. And Bardic Inspiration is also great but requires time to use that could, in most cases, be better spent just sitting on a gen. So of all those gen perks that survivors have the only ones that can often make a huge difference are Built to Last, Overzealous, Hyperfocus, Fast Track, and Weaving Spiders but all are either situational, come at a great cost, require time that could be spent simply repairing gens, or can be easily undone or countered by most regression perks.
Killers also get slowdown by simply hooking survivors. Anytime you are able to keep survivors off of gens whether they are healing, cleansing, or dealing with a killer power you are taking advantage of slowdown, and killers who can end chases faster with powers that favor chases or utilizing exposed and stealth mechanics will also be given a greater advantage when it comes to slowing down gen progress. There’s a reason less than 40% of survivors escape their trials on average.
Wraith 12% uncloak 60% vault/kick call or brine, overcharge, eruption, pop that’s my build and it can be yours too
bhvr really needs to understand that if a perk is so high in pick rate, it's not because it's op or anything, it's because it's necessary so either they rework how killers get rewarded by hooking survivors or shit like proxy camping and hard tunneling will never be out of the game
More tunneling and camping... because taking away tools makes killers sweatier. 😑
Yes, but also consider MMR is encouraging that more.
Did you forget killers already can and do camp tunnel and slug even with OP pop and pain res in the game?
@@kxenyy If you tunnel and camp you don't get to use those perks much, I always used pain res and sometimes pop to play effectively without tunneling anyone, not sure I am going to use those perks anymore, maybe pain res but pop is now trash in my opinion.
@@kuppa391 Pain res is still really strong at 20%, just not quite as oppressive. It still suffers from rng tho so i can see it being used less from now on (which isn’t a bad thing)
Yet they do not nerf the gen rush meta where a SWF or duo can complete gens in 5 minutes.... I enjoy using thrilling or deadman's because I can focus on chases, the part both sides enjoy most.
We love making Killers having to rely on tunnelling, starting a cycle of negativity due to Survivors not being able to play the game and Killers having to be defensive about it because they legit have no other viable way to win. Thanks Behaviour.
At this point I’ve been using pentimento/plaything just to give more slowdown if they choose to cleanse and if they don’t I get free hits with my lack of terror radius. Then I use two chase perks usually bamboozle and brutal but sometimes I’ll add surge.
People will go over to gen blocking perks then that will get nerfed and then endgame perks (which is what i’m using) and that’s when i quit the game.
Can't because they nerfed gen blocking perks with the same update already
Idk which games you playing but every damn game we can’t even get our due to all the gen regression perks. Get to 2-3 gens and it stalls with pain, pop, grim, dead man, dead lock. Smdh. Killer win rate 68% and ppl still crying until their win rate is 99%!
@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN skill issue
@@Herman_Hedning then it must also be skill issue if killer mains crying about their gen regression perks. Works both ways 🤷♂️.
@@Herman_HedningShut up, you failure, go back watching Daddy Entertainment
Ruin 2.0 and Pop weren't the issue in that Meta, them combined with unlimited Tinkerer made the the combo OP. Gen regression perks on their own aren't the issue, however together combined create the issue and gives an insane leverage the moment 4v1 turns into 3v1. Killers get rewarded for tunneling and slugging with absolutely no counterplay while using gen regression perks at the start of the match turning it into a 5 gen match with 3 survivors. These perks need to get stronger later, not earlier and it is why I feel it's time that generator have a different objective to powering up gates, meaning they need to have an additional requirement or change the way generator power up works. That is the only thing that Dead by Daylight can do at this point to save the game.
If u still wanna play the gen game, here's a build specifically for Doc:
1: Eruption
2: Call of Brine
3: Overcharge
4: Merciless Storm
now that the rng of distortion and overcharge skillchecks rivalling pain res and pop, is in play
watch this new meta come to fruition, only for fucking distortion and overcharge nerfs to further reinforce the dev's brain damaged design ideologies
Please don’t speak gen kick meta into existence 😭
Survivors have it good, the devs nerf perks that get used a lot but exhaustion speed which is used in 80% of loadouts will never get nerfed because the same exact effect is split into multiple perks that all activate differently but do the same thing.
I'm still mad that Sprintburst into Lythe with Resliance is faster the Legion's Fereal Frenzie, like sure it's only a quick burst for about 3 or so seconds but that is an incredibly long time, especially if the SP+Lythe person is the first person you see as Legion and they continuooisly 99 their perk, it becomes a pain in the ass real quick.
@@BrightWulphare you trolling? You can’t use lithe if you have sprint burst 😂😂😂
@hewmanbeing I could be mistaking speintburst for lythe into balanced with resilience, because I've had a survivor just get the zoomies with that combo or lythe+resilience. All I know is that whatever combo they had, they were faster than 3-chain deep Legion Frenzie which was incredibly dumb.
@@BrightWulph you can’t use one exhaustion perk immediately after another because you can’t use an exhaustion perk when exhausted
@hewmanbeing I know, I'm probabbly misremwmbering something, either way all I saw was someone drop off a high barrier and then just run off faster than Legion Frenzie could catch up. It might have been someone cheating for all I know.
I think meta won't change a lot, maybe pop , but thats all. Ratcher average players will play on top tier killers, or midle one witch best addon. Nurse, Spirit, Wesker, Oni and so on. And map offering wiil be more common
I completely agree! Ratcheting up the killer play once again. No creativity allowed,...I see the same perks you have mentioned and I will experiment with hex perks again but they get cleansed in a minute by a good team, so there is nowhere the killer can really turn to. Enter the dark ages of DBD sadly
I know I have enjoyed taking Retribution, Haunted, Undying, and Devour. Good chance to get 2 Haunteds, then Devour, and each cleanse I get to see them all.
BHVR is either getting ready to kill the game and try to pull out DBD 2 or just fucking stupid to see the long-term. Every logical explanation to their decisions this past year will conclude on either of these.
i like knockout for the ringing, not thr aura thing
nerf gen perks but buff gen speed those devs are fucked
Where did they buff gen progression perks?
@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYNWeaving Spiders is what they mean.
@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYNbardic inspiration and weaving spiders not to mention reducing the charges consumed on sabotage means that players will be able to essentially do and sabotage at the same time. Anyone with half a brain can see that the core issue is not going to be resolved by doing this DBD needs to address the insane generator progression as with the right combo, you can do a general in 27 seconds
I'll be honest and say that I disagree with your conclusions. Your analysis is spot on, the most fun part about DbD is the chase ***AND*** the hide-and-seek elements, with there being two notably divided camps on the issue and, quite literally, the argument of what to do about gens getting in the way. Generators are intended to serve as a point of forced interaction, which is why coms were initially banned. Excessive coordination breaks the original, intended balance of the game, which has been well proven, and the devs have spent years trying to figure out this ONE problem after being bullied into putting coms in.
With all of that in mind, the truly optimal choice would be to remove the generators as a condition for winning. don't remove them all together, but don't make them the core objective either. Instead, have each match on a 15 minuet timer and make it so each generator knocks one minuet off the timer, with 8 generators in the match, this ensures that killers would have at least 7 minuets to hunt down and kill survivors.
So what to do about generators? simple, remove all the gen kick/regression buffs and remove the limit to kicking generators (*also give more points per kick). Gen kicking is an essential part of blood point farming for killers, which is an important part of matches that give players a needed break form the sweat and even anger towards dumb things in the game or players (on either side) playing like jerks. Now what about gen regression perks? remove them from the game entirely or make them block generators for a short duration to reward the killer for additional chases, What about gen speed perks? nerf them but keep them in the game. remember, the killer has a guaranteed 7 min in game and in normal DbD that's average time for a 2k.
Yes, this ensures that killers will basically get kills. But what else this allows for is:
1) darker, spookier maps that are better for hiding;
2) maps that are better designed for a solid mix between hiding and chase;
3) builds that line up with the DbD lore in which teammates might even sacrifice their friends as a means of beating the clock
4) matches in which it is impossible for killers/survivors to hold the other side hostage.
5) truly scary killers, this simple design change opens the doors for older killers to have more unique powers and traps designed to hunt down survivors without the fear of a SWF demolishing generators and leaving before they even have a chance to begin building pressure.
6) and so very much more, already late from intermission so I need to get moving, lol.
My change, coupled with your perk currency and some perk reworks could turn this game into something that is incredibly satisfying to the casual and competitive player, especially if the devs reinstate the win condition for any survivor to get out alive, meaning they have to beat the clock. For those who take issue with this, please understand that this would be the most lore accurate way to play the game on many levels, starting with the simple fact that the survivors aren't actually against the killer, they are surviving a gauntlet which the killer is both the tool and trap that needs to be survived against. By having a set timer, survivors will need to do more than work as a team to "beat the killer", they will also have to consider sandbagging each other in order to avoid being caught and killed with no way out other than potentially sacrificing a friend. Killers won't be under pressure to force kills quickly, the devs will have so much more breathing room to deal with camping/tunneling/slugging, survivors will need more varied builds not only to survive the killer, but also each other, and it allows for more trolly perks or perks/survivors who are more hostile to the others.
Plaything Pento build will definitely be seen a lot more and probably will be paired with corrupt and either no way out or or a chase perk
Also pain res will definitely still be meta, 20% gen regression 4x a game just for hooking survivors is still extremely strong
Two months after the video dropped and already feeling the effects. Sweaty Killers have since started slugging for kills again because there is no consistent gen defense, weaker killers are vanishing by the day, and 2V8 is taking over the scene to fill the void. I play killer almost exclusively and actually kinda dropped off because of how sweaty the gen rush builds are. I had three gens pop in the first 30 seconds of a match today. I was playing singularity with a stealth build. They called me trash when I allowed them to unhook when there was only one gen left, despite only having four hook states.
Has the gen kick update a few month back get reverted? Had some teammates befreind a killer and the killer just kept kicking the gen. Over a dozen times
Nerf Windows of Opportunity. Give it a 5 sec. use w/ a 60 sec. cooldown.
Let's see them lose their minds over that...
Lmao 🤣
WOP is extremely overrated it doesn’t need a nerf
@@kxenyy lol, it's a joke 😄😉
9:44 right and facing Killer with 4 gen regression perks which is i think the reason why they nerf these perks, they should make some perk not stackable
No one like Gens
how about just removing gen regression and gen progression perks and items and remove the cap on gen kicking
Ive noticed behavior when making new perks is they never think about it long term. They just release something that's strong and good to rope people in to give them money. Then they just nerf it later once the money dries up. Rinse and repeat
All this and no survivor changes. Ofc.
Tru3talent always explains these things already I wish people could listen to him more
I once heard someone say that the reason why many survivors want things nerfed for killer is because they want to go back to a time when killers were easy to bully, because they had little to no tools to counter toxic playstyles such as instant-blinds, infinants and locker blinds.
It looks like the game is slowly moving back towards a meta, where killers will be bullied but by gens moving so fast that they can only really play the game in EGC then have no choice but to watch survivors TBag their way out of the gate.