I know he was talking down to him, but its very impressive that Trazyn complimented Bile, he basically said “despite your bad technology you managed something I have”
I mean, that’s pretty much how every necron speak to any of the xeno species. To them, everyone are just pathetic, primitive ants littering their lawn.
@@on_the_inverse_5193 Yeah. Fabius' accomplishment is actually VERY impressive and Trazyn honestly isn't really talking down to him that much. It's an objective fact that the technology Bile is using is primitive as all heck, and yet insanely advanced for what it's made out of.
kinda why i prefered the tomb kings in fantasy because they came in other flavors than just "absolute egotisical". sure you still had settra the imperishable and others who saw most everything as subjects as best, but you also could have a tomb king that was more chill
There was a meme circulating some time ago that really fits there: "How long does a person have to be dead before it's archaeology, and not just grave robbing?" Or something like that.
Trazyn sounds like he’s desperately trying not to sound like he’s awestruck Bile could figure something like that out and that it’s something he’d nerd out on, and has to sound as jaded and cool about it as possible to seem like he’s serious.
All at the low price of 5000? units of gene-seed I can't remember the exact number but he had a perfect Fulgrim clone I think that would make a perfect supply of gene-seed
I love Trazyn. He doesn’t care about upholding dynastic traditions or sticking to one side, he just wants more exhibits for his living museum. I could honestly hang with him.
i mean of all the necron he is the one you would most want to bump into as you have a better chance of at least making it out alive even if its just as an exibit
@@lotharworksTrue. I also would love to engage him in philosophy discussions knowing that if I’m interesting enough he’ll keep me out of the museum pieces.
“A variation on their infinity circuit technology” I love how his act is gone. This is no longer a super villain or a man you are talking to. But a child like wonder. Something that wished the universe had been born better, yet we remain.
trazyn is one of fabius's few contacts that actually is at times intrigued at his inventions instead of seeing them as merely tools at best. or abominations at worst. if anyone is safe to nerd out with its him.
Lmao, to aliens who are capable of interstellar travel, nuclear fission would be akin to literal stone tools used by cavemen. Not even fire mind you. That would be akin to fusion power.
@@kompatybilijny9348I feel like most extraterrestrial species would be more offput by the fact that a bunch of hairless apes managed to ride a rocket into space with about as much computing power as the average phone nowadays. Then they would cry at the fact that we've done basically nothing with that achievement besides send some folks into our orbit.
Tbf no one likes him and he’ll do anything to save his own skin(s) even before the whole ‘spiky bits’ era. That both Necrons and he see the warp as a scientific puzzle rather than the quasi-spiritual realm that it is gives an unusual kinship in belief at least. Probably the best he could hope for with anyone, really
Because he’s not some special “character”. To us, he is, obviously, but in the actual world of 40k he’s just a particularly nerdy chaos space marine. Now we know better, but most characters don’t
Trayzn Translation: "Wait, you managed to do what I can do? I'm 65 million years older than you and the only reason I can do that is because of Biotransference. That's actually really impressive for someone who is so new to the galaxy by comparison. And utilizing the Aeldari's wraithbone? That's actually quite ingenious! Your soul gets transferred from body to body without risk of the warp, which circumvents the whole problem of "The Warp" being a thing for you living beings."
Trazyn is the nicest necron like objectively the best. Despite seeing humans as inferior, he still has a great amount of respect for all of them. When his librarian retires he treats him with the respect of a lifelong friend. He gushes about humanities culture, music, and art all the time in the infinite and the divine. Even when he’s talking to Fabius he is still extremely intrigued as to how a human can effectively replicate his own revive ability despite it being primitive in his eyes
Given he loves to collect artefacts and even people from other groups in 40k… he clearly doesn’t hate them he’s just okay with putting them stasis sometime while still conscious to some varying degrees.
Let's be honest, it's only a matter of time before trazy comes after Bile again he told him he could restore any dead species in his gallery so long as the displays genetics are still usable ain't no way he ain't try to capture him and he forces bile to do they're original deal a clone is given over with his complete mind so he can add to his gallery
Trazyn talking about fabius’ contingencies as if he’s reviewing fine cuisine “Ah yes, in this dish of chaos I noticed there’s a hint of Aeldari in there, what else do I notice…”
Well, it is the problem of this whole universe. Relatively good fractions could unite and also could easily understand each other, but they are too selfish and too dedicated to their traditions maybe. It's some kind of prisoner's dilemma in galactic scale.
Well, there's the pesky problems of the murder, the vivisections, the human experimentation, the cloning of people both purposefully disabled and mentally able for slavery and human experimentation(read "torture), the objectively unethical genetic, neurological, endochrine and full-body tampering... And the god complex that led to all of that,too.
He is also incredibly nice to the human population on his museum world. He really isn't a villain. He is a collector and hoarder with flexible morals. However he treats his own people very well. He doesn't even toss his own army around to just die like so many other Necron Overlords do. He wants to keep everything he has so he uses smarter tactics than other Necron are known for. Just because you have several million of a figurine doesn't mean you want to casually have a few of them damaged. You want to keep them all mint condition!
This is actually really cool to hear, because now I know what the giant screw in Fabius’s head is, it’s a damn storage hard drive for his memory and conscious 😂
Do consider that the Necrons were already a gallactic empire when the human race was still crawling out of the primordial sea. They have quite a bit of a head start.
I dunno, I find it hard to call Trazyn a villain especially compared to Fabius Bile. Like I would 100% choose to serve Trazyn working his archives (even with the mindshackle scarabs) then be a minion of Fabius.
the version of fabius in these books is actually pretty chill. Trazyn has caused just as much suffering if not more, i see no reason not to include trazyn just because he was seen being empathetic to a slave. this trilogy has actually made me question biles original characterization. he is such a one note evil scientist and i cannot imagine ever not having the Pragmatic genefather we get in the modern books. although it is weird that a guy who says he doesnt like to torture people and demonstrates that sentiment carries a torture stick XD. The weakness of a 2 dimensional character becoming an actual believable person i suppose. so while younger Bile is definitely incredibly evil, old man bile is as antagonistic as trazyn
This comment section is so quick to give trazyn a pass! Trazyn is an alien that would sacrifice the universe if it meant finishing his collection. Even ignoring the living beings he keeps against their will, this necron has sacrificed worlds, his own people, and countless lives in pursuit of his obsession. the suffering hitler caused would pale in comparison to the tiniest sliver of Trazyns "life" for lack of a better term. I get it, he was really nice to a slave that one time and is very entertaining to read about! but this is a case of the entertainment hiding the scope and horror of what Trazyn does. Its like when you read about orks and laugh at the hijinks they get into as they literally genocide a planet XD
Everything you said is true, but he's still probably one of the least-villainous entities in 40k. That's the 'fun' of 40k, everyone is mindblowingly evil because of scale
@@orthanus least malicious perhaps, but i tend to measure villiany based on their works. But it does bring up an interesting philosophical question. If a man was born who killed only 3 million of a race but we could measure that they were more hateful then hitler, does that make them worse then hitler? The word bearers dont torture slaves because they find it fun, its just legitimately the best way to strengthen chaos. One marine contemplates if giving the slaves better quality of life would make the torture strengthen chaos more XD does the lack of malice in the act make it better then if he expressed joy like a night lord? Or take the salamanders vs the nightlords in the heresy era. Salamander caused way more death in their campaigns. But the night lords tortured and flayed their victims. Does having a lower kill count make it the better moral choice? I guess utilitarianism would try to measure how much suffering living in fear and having a family member fleansed would be compared to having 50 percent of your family set on fire and living with defeat. Scale vs malice, what is the better measure?
As much as i love grim dark, i also love seeing villians being "humafied" like this. Having banter, emotional moments etc and not always being 110% the mustache twirling villian
Trazyn complimenting Fabius has the same feeling as a scientist being impressed that a Chimp uses sticks to hunt termites. Oh look, the ape can use tools! Impressive!
Trazyn sort of just talks down to everyone no matter what. He doesn’t treat anyone like a respected colleague because he respects none of his colleagues. But he is civil and and willing to negotiate, which I think is the big thing.
Okay THAT is good worldbuilding. THATS metatextually clever. I feel WH40k relies on a lot of plot armor and convenience to pull off its "Oh shit" moments. This actually took two aspects unique to the universe (Bile's unhinged level of genetic manipulation and the Eldar wraithbone) and brought them together in an unexpected way that makes sense. This I love
I like how at the end trazyn was trying not to sound I’mpressed so said in a primitive sort of way to sound like it was nothing but in reality he seemed to admire it though he did not want to admit that
To Trazyn, it was like if we humans saw monkeys begin making primitive vehicles for travel-aid. Like actually impressed at the primitive creatures managing to do that.
Everyone saying “it’s like talking to a caveman who built stuff out of rocks”, but I’m thinking it might be similar to meeting an ancient Mayan: “Dang, you built this whole calendar to predict eclipses and such? We used giant telescopes & computers & satellites to do all that, down to the millisecond. In fact, I can even do that with my handheld phone right here! Have you guys even invented the wheel yet? Or iron tools? No, just obsidian? Ok then.”
Ok but explaining Biles technique as 'bootleg mini infinity circuit resonating in his and his clones heads' is pretty clever for explaining it in universe
One thing I love about this exchange is that Trazyn is obviously talking down to Bile, but yet his tone and words still carrying level of genuine respect. The context of his words may be demeaning, but the content of them is entirely meant to be complimentary rather than insulting. I do rather love that Trazyn is almost always written with this level of nuance to his dialogue.
Considering that Trazyn went to great lengths to bring Bile to Solemnace, it's clear he finds him at least interesting and worthy of being in his collection.
I know he was talking down to him, but its very impressive that Trazyn complimented Bile, he basically said “despite your bad technology you managed something I have”
That very much almost sounded like a zookeeper delighted that one of the apes on exhibit managed to discover the use of more complex tools.
A Necron giving you a backhanded comparison to themselves is pretty much just flirting
@@TheLongVigil why are you complimenting a race that has not invented any color other than green?
Like a mechanicus amused by orc tech
@@caiomansourcastilho4614 I mean, orks actually "innovate" instead of throwing oil while chanting.
The amount of condescending roasting from Trazyn made it feel like he was complimenting a caveman for discovering fire.
Tbf considering his age and technology thats what he was seeing
A caveman discovering fire using water
more like watching a caveman make a functioning AR-15 out of sticks and pebbles
I mean, that’s pretty much how every necron speak to any of the xeno species. To them, everyone are just pathetic, primitive ants littering their lawn.
@@on_the_inverse_5193 Yeah. Fabius' accomplishment is actually VERY impressive and Trazyn honestly isn't really talking down to him that much. It's an objective fact that the technology Bile is using is primitive as all heck, and yet insanely advanced for what it's made out of.
I think Trazyn sees this like if we saw a monkey build a musket, like "yeah we have automatic rifles but HOT DAMN thats a smart monkey!"
That is the perfect way to describe it
Friendly reminder that chimpanzees have entered the stone age, do with that info what you will.
many humans could not build a musket from scratch.
@@MusMasi and many, many necrons are not immortal
@@MusMasi
You seriously overestimate the complexity of a musket
Necrons trying not to sound condescending to the other races challenge (impossible difficulty)
They're still better than the eldar in that department though.
They look down on everyone equally-even each other lol
done only by top necrons, who have advanced so much that they transcend the very meaning of being arrogant
@@alperalyanak9627not exactly a difficult thing to do admittedly.
kinda why i prefered the tomb kings in fantasy because they came in other flavors than just "absolute egotisical". sure you still had settra the imperishable and others who saw most everything as subjects as best, but you also could have a tomb king that was more chill
I mean... If you consider Trayzn basically saying *aww, thats adorable*
More like
"That's cool but mine still better"
"Im probably gonna display one of them in my Gallery later, so id advice you to make a new laboratory"
yes, but he actually means it
Trayzn to his underlings, "Fabius Bile was able to build this in a cave! With a box of scraps!"
Trayzn's underlings: ..................
Flayers: Skin...? Flesh? You say skin? @@ensemble3647
I'm not fabius bile
@@ensemble3647Trayzn: AND YOU CAN'T EVEN FIX A GODDAMN TOASTER!
@@ДавидТахмазян-щ1м The Mechanicus: TOASTER!?!?
“Impressive, very nice, let’s see Paul Allen’s consciousness transfer device “
"You don't have it? Too expensive, I presume."
Transfer it to Dorsia
The Proteus Protocol?
I think Trayzn said it best when he was accused of being a villainous thief.
“You can’t steal from the dead, that’s just archeology”
haha clever :D
Then my character from Elder Scrolls/Fallout must be one hell of an archeologist
There was a meme circulating some time ago that really fits there: "How long does a person have to be dead before it's archaeology, and not just grave robbing?" Or something like that.
Orikan: You can't use that excuse when you steal living people to put on display.
and its not really grave robbing if you're not technically alive yourself, just regular robbing
"You know, I'm something of a scientist myself!" - Trazyn
Technically he is
@@drrrmkszcz9802he's a scholar, a historian, a curator
Trazyn is many things. Though most people focus on him being a collector.
Trazyn sounds like he’s desperately trying not to sound like he’s awestruck Bile could figure something like that out and that it’s something he’d nerd out on, and has to sound as jaded and cool about it as possible to seem like he’s serious.
Trazyn is definitely suppressing "wow, the monkey actually managed to make a gun out of rocks, sticks and poop."
He's gotta act unimpressed if he's gonna goad the human into selling him more stuff.
@@shonklebonkle324like when he absolutely swindled Fabius out of a PERFECT CLONE OF FULGRIM.
All at the low price of 5000? units of gene-seed I can't remember the exact number but he had a perfect Fulgrim clone I think that would make a perfect supply of gene-seed
@@evilsclone2499 Not really a swindle. Fabius was trying to get rid of it and Trazyn offered something VERY useful to him in return.
Trazyn is less of a supervillain and more of a super Troll.
*Ultra-Troll
When Dr. Frankenstein meets a Bond Super Villian
"It's a bit shit but it's alright"
-Trazyn
hahahaha
I love Trazyn. He doesn’t care about upholding dynastic traditions or sticking to one side, he just wants more exhibits for his living museum. I could honestly hang with him.
i mean of all the necron he is the one you would most want to bump into as you have a better chance of at least making it out alive even if its just as an exibit
@@lotharworksTrue. I also would love to engage him in philosophy discussions knowing that if I’m interesting enough he’ll keep me out of the museum pieces.
“A variation on their infinity circuit technology” I love how his act is gone. This is no longer a super villain or a man you are talking to. But a child like wonder. Something that wished the universe had been born better, yet we remain.
trazyn is one of fabius's few contacts that actually is at times intrigued at his inventions instead of seeing them as merely tools at best. or abominations at worst. if anyone is safe to nerd out with its him.
I feel like, in trazyn’s mind, this is the equivalent of if you suddenly saw a caveman make a flintlock pistol
You know given how arrogant Necron leadership can be, even backhanded acknowledgement like this is really high praise.
Especially from Trazyn. Most of the time if he likes you he takes you.
@@shonklebonkle324”I like you and I want you… we can do this the easy way or the hard way” - Trazyn, the booty warrior.
@@draketurtle4169"I know your name's Fabius Bile, but I calls ya Fabulous Guile."
Holy fuck that was just them nerding out, lovely stuff really
Alternate title: Fabulous Bill wins the wooden spoon at a Necron science faire.
This is how I imagine aliens would talk to us when they find out we discovered nuclear fission before solar panels
Lmao, to aliens who are capable of interstellar travel, nuclear fission would be akin to literal stone tools used by cavemen.
Not even fire mind you. That would be akin to fusion power.
Or that we figured out how to put a man on the moon before thinking about putting wheels on heavy luggage
@@citizenkhan4696 how do you know? are you an alien?
@@dependent-ability8631 Ah shit, they are onto us
ABORT!
@@kompatybilijny9348I feel like most extraterrestrial species would be more offput by the fact that a bunch of hairless apes managed to ride a rocket into space with about as much computing power as the average phone nowadays.
Then they would cry at the fact that we've done basically nothing with that achievement besides send some folks into our orbit.
Man Fabius gets dunked on so often as people talk down to him lol.
Tbf no one likes him and he’ll do anything to save his own skin(s) even before the whole ‘spiky bits’ era. That both Necrons and he see the warp as a scientific puzzle rather than the quasi-spiritual realm that it is gives an unusual kinship in belief at least. Probably the best he could hope for with anyone, really
Because he’s not some special “character”. To us, he is, obviously, but in the actual world of 40k he’s just a particularly nerdy chaos space marine. Now we know better, but most characters don’t
The more I read about him, the more I believe Fabulous Billy should have been traded to the Iron Warriors
The man literally had a stand off with Slaanesh and told It to Fvck off.
He deserves some respect.
@@citizenkhan4696no he does not. All he did was the equivalent of plugging his ears and eyes and sing-songing “nah nah nah I can’t hear you nah na!”
Trazyn: "I'm impressed, but I still need to be a condescending asshole."
Trayzn Translation: "Wait, you managed to do what I can do? I'm 65 million years older than you and the only reason I can do that is because of Biotransference. That's actually really impressive for someone who is so new to the galaxy by comparison. And utilizing the Aeldari's wraithbone? That's actually quite ingenious! Your soul gets transferred from body to body without risk of the warp, which circumvents the whole problem of "The Warp" being a thing for you living beings."
A more accurate translation: *"So the hairless ape managed to do something I figured out a long time ago? I'd be impressed, if it wasn't so crude."*
Trazyn is the nicest necron like objectively the best.
Despite seeing humans as inferior, he still has a great amount of respect for all of them. When his librarian retires he treats him with the respect of a lifelong friend. He gushes about humanities culture, music, and art all the time in the infinite and the divine. Even when he’s talking to Fabius he is still extremely intrigued as to how a human can effectively replicate his own revive ability despite it being primitive in his eyes
Given he loves to collect artefacts and even people from other groups in 40k… he clearly doesn’t hate them he’s just okay with putting them stasis sometime while still conscious to some varying degrees.
Zahndrekh is also pretty great. He's basically got robot alzheimers, but he's incredibly courteous to everyone, even his enemies.
It's like you're having a conversation with a Neanderthal who somehow made cool equipment.
Neanderthals used tools before we did
as someone else said it is like if a monkey made a musket even though we have 50.cals it is still very impressive
Let's be honest, it's only a matter of time before trazy comes after Bile again he told him he could restore any dead species in his gallery so long as the displays genetics are still usable ain't no way he ain't try to capture him and he forces bile to do they're original deal a clone is given over with his complete mind so he can add to his gallery
Bile: did we become friends?
Trazyn: sure did
+Both did high five each other+
Tbf, that's Silent King things. Trazyn content with his secret stash.
Trazyn: "a neanderthal scientist. How drole, I like science. Do you use bronze? Splendid."
Sounds more like "a neanderthal who uses bronze spoon and fork".
The manager compliments my python script:
"It's so primitive and inefficient, but it works somehow"
@@aldrinmilespartosa1578 "Does it scale?"
"Does it what?"
Even when complimenting, it still a backhanded one
Fabius: If It is so primitive why you didnt think to do something like this to fix your mortality problem?
Trazyn:...
Trazyn talking about fabius’ contingencies as if he’s reviewing fine cuisine
“Ah yes, in this dish of chaos I noticed there’s a hint of Aeldari in there, what else do I notice…”
Trayzn is bragging but he forget, Fabius has a soul and he still feel something. 😆
Trazyn still has something Fabulous Bill has not, PRESENTATION.
Trayzn also has something Fabius doesn't: *LORE RELEVANCY*
Trayzn got his hand of Custodes. How many Custodes in Fabius lab?
Trazyn doesn't really regret his bio-transference. As a matter of fact, he seems to enjoy what it offers him in regards to his hobby.
@@C0ldD1rectiveI'm sorry, what ? Have you never read the blood angel omnibus ?
To a necron lord, this conversation is like a cave man going on at length about herbal medicine.
Come on, Trazyn is impressed. Think how often we get amazed at things like smoke signals, or masonry tools by ancient peoples.
Valid point.
Imagine seeing someone evolve from a literal fish to a caveman in a matter of weeks or even days. If i were Trazyn i would've been scared of shit
@@T3hSteamcrusher nah, they gave the humans more than a 500.000 year head-start.
Not often ? Ancient people weren't idiots. Maybe that's just me though..
@@Eisenwulf666by trayzen standards there monkeys who learned how to build a musket while we got ar-15
I love Trayzn, honestly my favourite Necron character
Imagine the beauty they could create if one day Bile, Trazyn and Cawl joined their forces. The galaxy would have a new golden age
Well, it is the problem of this whole universe. Relatively good fractions could unite and also could easily understand each other, but they are too selfish and too dedicated to their traditions maybe. It's some kind of prisoner's dilemma in galactic scale.
He might have sounded condescending but you could tell Trazyn was actually impressed. Otherwise he wouldn't have listened to how it worked.
Love how trazyn is like "its not a competition, but im winning." With his compliments
Yeah , but the fact that Trazyn even "felt" the need to acknowledge any positive aspect of the tech , is impressive.
coming from Trayzin, that is fucking laureate award levels of compliments
Hey, Trazyn is not a villain!
I mean, he is a kleptomaniac towards living people but that is a "minor flaw", that's all! 😅
Trazyn the Infinite *Troll* is a better title for him.
@@stevenbyrd8487trazyn the infinite kleptotroll
Neither is Fabius.
Trazyn was basically like “well done… you’ve officially entered the Stone Age“
It’s like a world-class bladesmith talking to an inmate about a prison shiv he created.
Is Trazyn really a villain? He’s more of a hoarder.
Well, there's the pesky problems of the murder, the vivisections, the human experimentation, the cloning of people both purposefully disabled and mentally able for slavery and human experimentation(read "torture), the objectively unethical genetic, neurological, endochrine and full-body tampering... And the god complex that led to all of that,too.
He is also incredibly nice to the human population on his museum world.
He really isn't a villain. He is a collector and hoarder with flexible morals. However he treats his own people very well. He doesn't even toss his own army around to just die like so many other Necron Overlords do. He wants to keep everything he has so he uses smarter tactics than other Necron are known for. Just because you have several million of a figurine doesn't mean you want to casually have a few of them damaged. You want to keep them all mint condition!
This is actually really cool to hear, because now I know what the giant screw in Fabius’s head is, it’s a damn storage hard drive for his memory and conscious 😂
Sounds like it’s a combination flash drive and transmitter, think bio-Cylons from the Battlestar Galactica Reboot.
@@drewjohnson-85 that’s a perfect comparison
@@henrywhitmore8344 thanks
The time the Iron Warriors built a theatre good enough to impress Emperor's Children was an underrated moment for them.
Trazyn is so sassy.
And that's why we love him.
Im reminded of the "TONY STARK BUILT THIS IN A CAVE... WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!!"
Has a kind of "built this in a cave with a box of scraps!" Vibe
"Not bad... for an ant i guess"
He's like the first caveman to create a bow and arrow
Do consider that the Necrons were already a gallactic empire when the human race was still crawling out of the primordial sea. They have quite a bit of a head start.
I dunno, I find it hard to call Trazyn a villain especially compared to Fabius Bile.
Like I would 100% choose to serve Trazyn working his archives (even with the mindshackle scarabs) then be a minion of Fabius.
As far as WH40K goes being one of his archivist sounds like a decent job as long as Orikin isn't around destroying exhibits.
the version of fabius in these books is actually pretty chill. Trazyn has caused just as much suffering if not more, i see no reason not to include trazyn just because he was seen being empathetic to a slave.
this trilogy has actually made me question biles original characterization. he is such a one note evil scientist and i cannot imagine ever not having the Pragmatic genefather we get in the modern books. although it is weird that a guy who says he doesnt like to torture people and demonstrates that sentiment carries a torture stick XD. The weakness of a 2 dimensional character becoming an actual believable person i suppose.
so while younger Bile is definitely incredibly evil, old man bile is as antagonistic as trazyn
Bromance coming up
This comment section is so quick to give trazyn a pass!
Trazyn is an alien that would sacrifice the universe if it meant finishing his collection. Even ignoring the living beings he keeps against their will, this necron has sacrificed worlds, his own people, and countless lives in pursuit of his obsession.
the suffering hitler caused would pale in comparison to the tiniest sliver of Trazyns "life" for lack of a better term.
I get it, he was really nice to a slave that one time and is very entertaining to read about! but this is a case of the entertainment hiding the scope and horror of what Trazyn does. Its like when you read about orks and laugh at the hijinks they get into as they literally genocide a planet XD
This. It's weird how someone can eat babies, but as long as they do something cool or be kind to a dog in the next scene, they are given the pass xD
Everything you said is true, but he's still probably one of the least-villainous entities in 40k. That's the 'fun' of 40k, everyone is mindblowingly evil because of scale
@@orthanus least malicious perhaps, but i tend to measure villiany based on their works.
But it does bring up an interesting philosophical question. If a man was born who killed only 3 million of a race but we could measure that they were more hateful then hitler, does that make them worse then hitler?
The word bearers dont torture slaves because they find it fun, its just legitimately the best way to strengthen chaos. One marine contemplates if giving the slaves better quality of life would make the torture strengthen chaos more XD does the lack of malice in the act make it better then if he expressed joy like a night lord?
Or take the salamanders vs the nightlords in the heresy era. Salamander caused way more death in their campaigns. But the night lords tortured and flayed their victims. Does having a lower kill count make it the better moral choice? I guess utilitarianism would try to measure how much suffering living in fear and having a family member fleansed would be compared to having 50 percent of your family set on fire and living with defeat.
Scale vs malice, what is the better measure?
Passive-aggressive compliment at its finest.
So basically 2 tech geeks talking about some technical stuff
As much as i love grim dark, i also love seeing villians being "humafied" like this. Having banter, emotional moments etc and not always being 110% the mustache twirling villian
Trazyn is like “aww what a nice little ant colony you made yourself, how clever” 😅
Quite commendable indeed.
They' re not just copies.
They are copies with a single soul.
Trazyn is literally the best character.
Trazyn is one of the most wholesome of the Necron. Which isn't that difficult, but that's what he is.
This is High praise coming from Trazyn.
Trazyn: Fabius Bile built this in a cave, with a box of scraps. Nice.
Trazyn was like watching a monkey figure out how to make a computer and do a save file. 😂😂😂😂😂
I like that Trazyn was condescending but legit impressed.
Trazyn complimenting Fabius has the same feeling as a scientist being impressed that a Chimp uses sticks to hunt termites.
Oh look, the ape can use tools! Impressive!
Trazyn sort of just talks down to everyone no matter what. He doesn’t treat anyone like a respected colleague because he respects none of his colleagues. But he is civil and and willing to negotiate, which I think is the big thing.
Two of my favorite characters. I love this. These two should chill more often.
Nerdsssssss
Trazyn & Fabius: "Wait, wha?"
Trazyn: I find this extremely impressive but I can't let you think you've got anything too impressive lest your ego get too big.
Fabius did study in Commoragh from what I understand. That's probably where he learned it
I love Trazyn. "Mine is superior by an unimaginably large margin, but still, good job."
Trazyn: Fabius Bile made this in a CAVE, with a box of SCRAPS
Okay THAT is good worldbuilding. THATS metatextually clever. I feel WH40k relies on a lot of plot armor and convenience to pull off its "Oh shit" moments. This actually took two aspects unique to the universe (Bile's unhinged level of genetic manipulation and the Eldar wraithbone) and brought them together in an unexpected way that makes sense. This I love
Those backhanded compliments from Trazyn are really good. Hommie didn't stop asserting his superiority with elegance.
Trazyn always flexing but still being kinda a good bro overlord.
Traynor actually impressed but also politely patting toddler Fabius on the head for making his first sandcastle that's 2 buckets tall.
This has a "Tony Stark built this in a cave! With a box of scraps!" vibe
I'd take ANY kind of compliment from Trazyn, because I don't wanna insult him and become the next exhibit in his museum
"Fabius Bile constructed this in a cave with a bunch of scraps!"
Basically saying: “that’s pretty clever. Also you’re a nerd and have a whiff. Tootles”
I like how at the end trazyn was trying not to sound I’mpressed so said in a primitive sort of way to sound like it was nothing but in reality he seemed to admire it though he did not want to admit that
To Trazyn, it was like if we humans saw monkeys begin making primitive vehicles for travel-aid. Like actually impressed at the primitive creatures managing to do that.
“As one mad scientist to another…”
I love how there basically just complimenting each other lol
To actually get a compliment even if it's half assed from Trazyn is an accomplishment itself
Trazyn: your efforts while primative are commendable.
Cawl: You are a cliche in a horrifying coat.
Everyone saying “it’s like talking to a caveman who built stuff out of rocks”, but I’m thinking it might be similar to meeting an ancient Mayan:
“Dang, you built this whole calendar to predict eclipses and such? We used giant telescopes & computers & satellites to do all that, down to the millisecond. In fact, I can even do that with my handheld phone right here! Have you guys even invented the wheel yet? Or iron tools? No, just obsidian? Ok then.”
This feels like two smart kids discussing the questions after an exam.
Big "TODAY I MADE THIS FUNNY DRAWING OF MOM IN CLASS" "Aww sweetie that's adorable, let's hang it on the fridge" energy here
Ok but explaining Biles technique as 'bootleg mini infinity circuit resonating in his and his clones heads' is pretty clever for explaining it in universe
One thing I love about this exchange is that Trazyn is obviously talking down to Bile, but yet his tone and words still carrying level of genuine respect.
The context of his words may be demeaning, but the content of them is entirely meant to be complimentary rather than insulting.
I do rather love that Trazyn is almost always written with this level of nuance to his dialogue.
Considering that Trazyn went to great lengths to bring Bile to Solemnace, it's clear he finds him at least interesting and worthy of being in his collection.
Trazyn is just getting more and more interested in adding a new piece to his collection..
I was debating what was going to be my next Audible credit but I think it's just been decided. 😁
I suppose even the best scientist humanity has ever produced is just a dabbler to a necron.
Then he wipes Fabious server Clean LMAO.
Fabulous Bile is 40k's Rick Sanchez gone full evil.
I imagine this would be like watching a caveman cobble together a radio receiver.