Bile: ...Point. However, your creed believes in lobotomizing people to make them into butchered cyborg slaves. Must I mention the dead babies flying around like cherubs too?
Bile : "What even is the point of this futile banter ? Do you really believe you could infect me with your throne-licking sermon ?" Cawl : "No... Not at all... I guess we really are but two old men with our own delusion, yours being imagining yourself to be something more than a plaything of the great parasites." Bile : "And what would yours be ?" Cawl : "Hope."
one is so arrogant he would not change a thing to his cancer ridden clones, fearing it would lessen his mind. One is so egotistic he believes he can stay truly himself while incorporating the minds of many geniuses into his own
@@namleist To be fair, Bile has experimented on himself, almost as much as anyone else who's been unfortunate enough to fall into his clutches. But he's at a point he quite literally can't change anything because he's falling apart from some Warp Plague (which follows him no matter what he does). He did sort of upgrade himself with the wraithbone network though, and even Trazyn was somewhat impressed with this (in a very condescending manner though). Though Bile is incredibly arrogant in his own right, not without reason, but he still sees himself, in all his forms, as one of the greatest minds in the Galaxy (again, not without reason), he would absolutely be down for upgrades if he thought it would work and not just kill him.
@@AveSicarius there is one more fucked up mind in the galaxy far older then these two geezers, that Necron Surgeon that literally invented the process of transferring their living bodies to living metal under the guidance of the Deceiver, the Dude didn't think that the process could not be reversed and so since then has been trying to find a way to transfer Necrons back to living bodies. The dude is soo crazy that he thinks that learning to control living souls like machine programming could allow him to achieve that. Only problem is that even the Silent King knows, Necron's souls were eaten by the very Ctan that made them into immortal machines. Regardless he remains in this research of his, his equal parts Bile and Cawl (even having a body like Cawl but instruments like Bile) and get this? he is both Hated and required by the Necrons, Necron lords of any kind hate him for his fucked up arrogant attitude but need his skills to keep their armies working. and many times the asshole uses their desperation to get research material (living bodies of Eldars and Humans) as payment which even Necrons find distasteful.
@@AveSicariusIt’s not a warp plague. The EC’s legion have a gene seed flaw that causes their to skin to take on a cancerous look and kill’s then slowly
The only reason Cawl isn't hitting him with a multi melta is because The spider is sitting on what may as well be his son with a bone saw to the sons' neck. This is all after a deadly 1v1 with a loose Necron and Cawl is badly damaged to the point that he is mostly crippled.
@@namleist No, shit I was wrong you are right. This is when he sends in a holographic projection onto the Ark Mechanicus ship in Cawl's gallery of things he has collected. If I am remembering it correctly now, Fabius is keeping Cawl busy while he sends a virus into the ship to cut Cawl off. They meet in person later. I am sorry I gave massive misinfo.
Remember that Fabius Bile indirectly created the legendary Warsmith, Honsou, who led one of the more recent crusades that tore Ultrimar apart. Remember that Belisarius Cawl worked with the Necrons and was branded by most of the Mechanicus with the title of Arch-Heretic. Both are tolerated by their respective factions for their genius. Neither are respected or beloved by their peers.
Cawl is actually very respected by half of the Mechanicus. In the book this is from, an entire court defends his ass against a single accusator. Pardon my 🥸
Cawl just spat flames the whole time, he may be a cold-hearted bastard whose amazon history is nothing but vaseline and toasters but he’s tame compared to the evil and duplicity of Bile. And then he dropped the omnissiah’s elbow with that “you’re a cliche in a horrifying coat” line.
In his 10000 years of life cawl would literally heard same dialogue tens thousands of times from menagerie of villainous mad scientists with better fashion sense that tried to destroy imperium in name of humanities and cawl would also familiar with this act as he contains some of them.
Yeah but there is a difference. Cawl is a monster in the same way Malcador was a monster, he does what he does because he believes it can save humanity. Bile is just a sick fuck.
Oh no. Bile isn't lying in the slightest. He genuinely wants to save humanity and believes he's ultimately doing the right thing, trying to create a new breed of humans to replace what he views as flawed. But his frame of reference about what is 'right' is rooted in the idea that the ends justify means, so morality and ethics have no place in his sense of what is 'right', only the cold, cruel logic of leaving humanity at large to rot as he tries to innovate, no matter how many babies he has to skin to do it. And the worst part is that Bile isn't necessarily wrong in his presumption; if he genuinely got what he wanted, humanity would be well on its way to significant evolutionary progress and potentially would be more than prepared to deal with the existential threats that face it. The problem is that Bile is unaware of how he's being manipulated by Chaos, for all that he tries to remain the consummate atheist, rejecting and denying the Chaos Gods, he fails to understand that they still hold power over him, even if he denounces them with every waking moment. After all, he's still chasing perfection and artistry in his work, not realizing how deep Slaanesh's hooks have already sunk into him. He thinks he's managed to stay ahead, that he's somehow managed to stay free where Abaddon, Cawl and Guilliman remain shackled by powers beyond their control, and that's the crux of it all; he thinks he's cheated the system, when in reality he's just as wrapped up in the Great Game as anyone else.
@@Warmaster2001abaddon is the warmaster of chaos undivided. He doesn't serve any individual chaos God so he has more freedom than say a khornate berserker, a plague marine of nurgle, a rubric of tzeentch, or an emperors children hedonite but if he stops putting energy into empowering and serving chaos they can still kill him. He can probably gain blessings of power from each god individually with certain rituals or sacrifices and serving all four gods should keep him from dealing with the draw backs of serving one god but he is still their puppet just like his weak father who died weeping and ashamed.
@@Warmaster2001 He doesn't serve the Chaos Gods directly, just like Bile, but unlike Bile he's managed to avoid any of the Chaos Gods getting their hooks in deep enough to really influence him. However, they've still set him up to do their dirty work, empowering them and weakening their enemies, just like Horus. If Abaddon has his way, he'll slay the Emperor with his own two hands, but even if he can say he did it of his own free will, that he is still a human man with a human soul that achieved such a thing through his own merits and that he's denied the Chaos Gods up until that point, he'll be faced with the same soul-crushing revelation the Cabal said would be visited upon Horus if he had won the Heresy; even if he chose the path, he was still lied to, tricked, and manipulated into following it to serve the purposes of the Chaos Gods. That said, the Cabal did mention something else; in his grief and rage, Horus would have burned the Imperium to the ground and wiped out humanity, and in the process of causing so much damage to the galaxy would have dealt the Chaos Gods such a devastating blow that they would either be destroyed outright or be sent into dormancy. Now is Abaddon good enough to do that? Probably not, and I subscribe to the notion that the Cabal were full of it and only saw the future they wanted to see, where their two biggest threats, Chaos and humanity, destroyed one another and left the galaxy open for the next race to conquer, but that's the tragedy of Abaddon; he's done everything in his power to try and be better than Horus, but ultimately he already doomed himself to the same failings as his father over 10,000 years ago.
“You think I turned to Chaos?” I know you turned to chaos, oh seeker of perfection. Slanesh cares less about consent than the grandfather and though you don’t praise her, actions speak louder than words.
@maltheri9833praying to the chaos gods only gets you so far. It’s not until the whole hive city starts carving sigils onto their skin and construct icons and symbols to chaos. That’s when the fun starts.
Bile actually learns to give up his obsession in his trilogy, saving his creation from the influence of both himself and the gods. He also is arguably becoming an entity in his own right, rather then being tainted by any of the chaos gods he appears to be infected with a warp based malady not related to any of the 4. He is supposed to be a mini emps of sorts. He also is hated by daemons as he denies them. The end of his trilogy is hopeful, rather then being punctuated by fall from grace. Basically, we dont know for sure whether the prince (hallowed be his name) is actually influencing him in his final form. His final fate is not known, and the author said it themselves that its supposed to be vague. Does slaanesh own him? Will he become a minor chaos god in his own right? Did he circumvent both fates? No one can say for sure
@@theadtheogrekiller5629And yet he's still rocking the man-leather coat and mutilating people into tortured abominations. What does it matter if he's owned by Slaanesh or not if he's still doing the same awful shit regardless.
@@ancientgearsynchro also tbf, belesarius cawl is one of the largest modern contributors to vashtorrs cause. He doesn't have bionic legs to stand on when he is just as guilty of his action proclaiming him a follower of some chaos entities wishes.
Same with Trayzn who snuck in to steal something inconsequential of Cawl's just to piss him off (like a stapler or something) only to stumble upon this gold.
Bile: U are so grotesque and monstorous u will give children nightmares Cawl: ur clothes suck and u are a shit villain and scientist Bile:.......damn why u gotta hurt me like that bro
"I have been worshipped, and I don't want that. What I want to cultivate is Human Will." Huh, what happened to the last guy that said that. Let's cut to a clip of that guy: *cue a video of the Golden Throne*
"If i had returned to terra after fulgrim fell, they would have killed me so i had no choice but to go to chaos" They didnt kill garro. They didnt kill dantioch. They didnt kill the anchorite. They didnt kill loken. They didnt kill the thousand son that went on to be a grey knight. In fact, every marine from the fallen legions that remained loyal became either critical to the heresy and a next level badass or they became ultramarines if they didnt have a name.
To be fair, Bile absolutely would have been shot, but for the shit he did during the Heresy, not just because he would be a Loyalist like Saul Tarvitz. Though even if he wasn't shot, he'd probably have had a terrible time after the Emperor died and progress got thrown out of the window. Would have been cool to see a Loyalist Bile work with Cawl though, even now Bile is probably the closest to the Emperor's ideals in a twisted way, while Cawl is also akin to the his but through the lens of the Mechanicum (not that he really seems to believe in it, just uses it to further his own goals).
Ah yes, the grey knights- the space marines litteraly made to replace T sons. Surely Big E would have spared Bile. Not to mention the lost legions. Big E has killed his subjects for much less than Bile's work.
Sure, let's ask Garro who was nearly killed by Dorn for daring to tell him the truth. Or Loken, who was sought after by MALCADOR and Garro. I suppose Dantioch is an exception but only because Guilliman, unlike the rest of the Imperium, is reasonable.
Yeah. He almost looked past the pages to see what books he's been in. Lol. This is what happens when you try to make a Deadpool in the wrong damned universe.
Well he has a point like How is a guy going to pretend "I care about humanity uwu" while wearing human skin as a coat thats more than just poor fashion thats a visual cue that hes a hypocrite and a liar itd be like a vet wearing an animal pelt at work a fur coat maybe but a whole-ass pelt, skin and all? right there in the practice? Youd side-eye that at the very least
@@CaptainPrincess He keeps it on as a reminder of how far he fell during the length of the Heresy where he basically was a real ass Slaanesh cultist. Which he isn't now.
@@kolsveinnskraevolding Yknow I dont think I buy that I mean I believe that he THINKS that I dont think its doing for him what he thinks its doing for him
I love how both of them are monsters and they know it, embrace it even. The differences lie in their allegiances, Cawl did as was told doing so by breking almost all the rules that the imperium has, meanwhile Bile served himself first and foremost.
Cawl is right, Humanity degenerated only because of chaos Bile hipocritically served, he is to blame here for fucking shit up because he wanted to be in charge. He is no better than Horus.
Nah, humanity had already degenerated when it bowed to the Emperor. A fascist dictator exterminating everyone who disagrees, what exactly makes him different from a Chaos God?
@@leahsander5490 Maybe the fact that Big E just exterminated his enemies and did find joy in it? Maybe the fact that the Imperium never built cathedrals out of the skulls of their enemies, bound books in human skin, or made clothes out of human skin? If and when the Imperium includes human bones in their iconography, architecture or even armor it's done with respect. The intent is to say "Look at this pious and devoted human! We honor him thusly!". Chaos is all about perversion, excess, violence for the sake of violence, and constant backstabbing and betrayals. Chaos is literally named by the demons themselves as "The primordial annihilator".
@@leahsander5490 He brought order and unification that way to avoid being steamrolled by threats like Necrons. You can`r really alow things to be diverse and expect it to hold togather on THAT scale. However, he could do some things differently, and I think, being suspended in the warp for several thousands of years changed his perspective on some things, like, for example, aliens can also be cooperated whith if you don`t just try to exterminate them.
My reputation precedes me. The patience and delivery of that line is great. As someone who loves to play with voices, I'm learning a lot from you. Thanks
I get the feeling they just kept circling each other in the same room. Occasional lunge forward to make the other retreat, and vice versa. No weapons drawn in offense, but both deeply on guard of the other. I do like how Cawl has maintained a sense of humor and sarcasm that his Admech brothers tend to sacrifice. Makes him easier to converse with even if he IS the size of a city bus.
@SolarArmadillo I love how sour Bile is about those who 'speak in dramatic metaphor'. He's literally calling out the entire 40k universe, especially Imperisl and Traitors who LOVE to declare their legends and speak dramatically. Lol.
Just started listening to warhammer audiobooks, done the dark imperium, Fabius Bile’s trilogy, Cain’s and Genefather. Thank you for bringing my favorite character exchange to life and doing it justice.
El algoritmo me trajo aca, no he comprado ninguna novela. Pero de verdad este dialogo y la dramatizacion estan a un nivel que de verdad me tiene encantado. Thx for this, im loving it
I love their debate sooo much. But to be voiced out in perfect sardonic manner as per their personalities are, it’s just a masterpiece. Looking forward for more! ❤
Bile: "Your primaris are barely an improvement on an already flawed design!" Cawl: "Bro, I have to update the logistics on a galactic level, of course I could do one super abomination like you do, but have you ever tried to keep a supply line for them?!" Bile is the type of Guy who thinks a war can be won by wunderwaffe, that once he has perfected the design for the Maus, he will turn the tides. Cawl is the guy who sees that you have to put the tanks on a boat, so best we can do is making the Sherman slighly larger, but keep it simple so crews can repair them, and it can be deployed everywhere.
Fabius not believing in gods is like Vashtorr talking about War in Heaven - moment when you realise how dangerous they are and how deep in trouble you are.
@@xanmontes8715 the existence of extremely strong psionic entities in 40k is undeniable. The difference is if you view them as gods OR you can look past your difference in scale. Fabius doesn't believe them to be gods. If given a chance he'd gladly put one of those "gods" on a table to open it up to study to see if he can copy them. In case of Vashtorr, him talking about War in Heaven, something no human apart from Emperor can be aware of(and even Emps is only because he fought Void Dragon and might have met Vaul) implies thing like him being aware of what C'Tan are, that they can be controlled, HOW they can be controlled and what they can do.
Your voice acting is incredible. The voice for Fabius and Cawl is perfect. Keep up the excellent work, I just found your channel but I eagerly await your next videos!
What is Fabius plan? How exactly he pretends to destroy Chaos? I mean, the emperor, a being extremely more powerfull and ancient failed and how preciselyy the Bile intends to succeed where others way more knowledgeable fail? I think the clone lord is way too proud of himself.
Where Cawl and Bile differ? Cawl intends for Man to be the Best he possibly can. Bile intends for Man to be replaced by something Better. Likely why the Primaris resulted in a tanked up Eldar and the New Man a hyper steroid Ork.
Biles plannis fairly simple. Wait out tthe larger conflict till both sides are dead, then repopulate the galaxy with a race of his own creation. So far his creations have been formidable, albeit monstrous and inhuman, many have fallen to Chaos. That is his blindspot, by denying his own corruption he doesn't see that the flaw of his creations lay with their maker. He will never achieve his goal.
@@Awesomotron2kthe end of his trilogy has his creations spirited to safety where no one, not him nor the gods can influence them. i dont recall a single one of them falling to chaos. Unless you are referring to his daughter? And not the current iteration of new men
"But little did Bile know, before this conversation, that one of Cawl's favorite personalities was a huge comic book nerd obsessed with batman villains"
Whats hilarious about 40k is that the writers always try so hard to make opposing factions seem ”equally evil” yet theres always one side which is clearly a gazillion times worse. On one side we have a struggling imperium using any means possible to save humanity from extinction, including highly immoral methods, yet these actions all serve the purpose of saving humanity. On the other side a thousand insane rotting abominations are eating the limbs of living children because they think it tastes good. GW litteraly cant convince me the imperium are bad guys when everything questionable theyve ever done was done to save humanity from the horrors theyre fighting.
Bile accusing Fabius of kidnapping, torture, and brainwashing is "ASTOUNDING" because Bile does worse every day for fun. Cawl does what he does because he thinks it is a terrible necessity. Cawl is here sniping at Bile's every flaw and hypocrisy, and the best Bile can do is deflect and distract by making another hypocritical accusation.
That laugh. It creeps me out how Belisarius Cawl loves to be chatty with his enemies. Usually any imperium will go guns blazings. His loyalty seems to be with the Imperium but it is just funny how different he is.
"they would have shot me" except they wouldn't have, the imperium largely did not punish the loyalist members of traitor legions. Many of them joined up with loyalist legions and fought against their traitor brothers.
I have read that members of traitor legions were still loyal to the Emperor. They become some of the founding members of the Grey Knights. But what would Malcador have thought of Bile if he had decided to turn himself in?
@@Aqua311 Bile absolutely gave in for a very long time (lots of very fucked up experiments to do and unlimited purview), but eventually he turned around, said this is pointless and left the Emperor's children. After that Bile does actually seem to change his mindset, and is more focused on his scientific endeavours than what the Third Legion ended up doing most of the time (which you can kind of argue he was always doing, but he was, by his own admission, caught up by Fulgrim's steady fall during the Horus Heresy). He's corrupted, but not in the way that the Chaos Legion's usually are, and he's more like the scientist that created the Omega Sanction (I think it's called that, basically an anti-transhuman supervirus the Custodes ordered). He's obsessed with creating a version of humanity that can survive the Galaxy of 40k (which he actually sort of achieved with the New Men until Fulgrim got involved, they are resistant to Chaos, can take down Astartes in close combat, are incredibly resilient and intelligent, and are capable of integrating into current human societies while steadily replacing them), but it's never good enough, he's always pushing the boundaries and never stops, which is why Slaanesh likes him so much, but he is firmly not Chaos in the sense of Chaos Worship and actively causes all the Daemon's around him to shrink back in fear (yes fear) because he denies them so thoroughly. If he wasn't corrupted by his association with the Third and the Phonecian, he'd probably have been one of Big E's favourites. As it stands he's still closer to the Emperor's ideals than most. He's sort of a high functioning psychopath mad genius that was given superpowers, and now he's even more of all that. If Malcador found him any time after the start of the Heresy he'd probably have been "shot", and by that I mean they would have captured him, had him work for the Loyalists, and then killed him afterwards. Fabius is many things, most of them awful (even before the fall), but he's also very good at what he does, which is why the Traitor's haven't just killed him yet. The major issue with Bile is the same issue as Fulgrim, he's so obsessed with perfection that he can't let go and move on to something else even if it is harmful to everyone around him. Bile perfectly cloned Fulgrim in a way that the Primarch was uncorrupted and seemed to have that Primarch spark, but traded him away so he could have more material to work on his New Men with.
@@AveSicarius When human life is taken for granted as it is in 40k, perfection will never be achieved. It seems like Bile isn't as in control of himself as he thinks he is, if he's unable to see past his own obsessions and passions. Enlighten me, has he ever considered endowing his creations with traits such as compassion, empathy, understanding and wisdom?
@@Aqua311 A fact a few people forget to add was that long before the Heresy started Fabius was already dying. That's one of the ironies about him. He didnt need Chaos to corrupt him - he was already doing horrific things to people to find a cure for himself long before Fulgrim even touched the Laer Blade. That's why Bile thinks he isnt corrupted - he's already so twisted theres nothing left inside of him to corrupt. (Like the Questor said. Fabius has done such horrific things even the Ruinious Powers think it's going too far - like how???? 😅)
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"Man in the manskin leathers" bro dissing his fit, what a legend
"You are a cliché, in a horrifying coat."
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It's a good thing he's literally built different because I don't think any normal man would survive getting burned like that.
Speech impediment much?
Cawl being reasonable is hilarious
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Bile: "I wish to uplift and save humanity?"
Cawl: "My good man, you are literally wearing the preserved skin of human beings."
LOL atleast the Night Lords are honest with their intention.
Bile: ...Point. However, your creed believes in lobotomizing people to make them into butchered cyborg slaves. Must I mention the dead babies flying around like cherubs too?
Calling Bile a Cliché in a horrifying coat is Titan legions level of put down
I think "the man in a manskin coat" burns more
Our boy Cawl looks like a mechanical slug, Bile just avoided attacking physical characteristics.
@@jessereed1736tbf he did point out that looking at him would scare children lol.
"It's drip or drown Bile; and it looks to me that your manskin coat doesn't float."
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As if that was the point Cawl made.
Fabius: Lol no i didnt turn to chaos
Also Fabius: has a literal star of chaos on his shoulder
It's all the rage in fashion circles
"The SS tattoo means nothing sinister!"
Iron warriors, night lords and red corsairs be like
@maltheri9833 he can't even use *that* excuse. he's been his own boss for 10,000 years
I was staring at the star the whole time.
Bile : "What even is the point of this futile banter ? Do you really believe you could infect me with your throne-licking sermon ?"
Cawl : "No... Not at all... I guess we really are but two old men with our own delusion, yours being imagining yourself to be something more than a plaything of the great parasites."
Bile : "And what would yours be ?"
Cawl : "Hope."
Cawl is actually really interesting as character but god damn I wish geedub introduce him better
@dean_l33 every time I see something new about Cawl I enjoy him more.
@@dean_l33Half a things GW introduced are awesome but introduced in the most idiotic way out of nowhere.
This actually from anything?
Now I'm starting to think Patrick Stewart would be a good pick to play Cawl.
It's cool how Fabius is one person among many bodies, while Cawl is many people in one body.
one is so arrogant he would not change a thing to his cancer ridden clones, fearing it would lessen his mind. One is so egotistic he believes he can stay truly himself while incorporating the minds of many geniuses into his own
@@namleist
To be fair, Bile has experimented on himself, almost as much as anyone else who's been unfortunate enough to fall into his clutches. But he's at a point he quite literally can't change anything because he's falling apart from some Warp Plague (which follows him no matter what he does). He did sort of upgrade himself with the wraithbone network though, and even Trazyn was somewhat impressed with this (in a very condescending manner though).
Though Bile is incredibly arrogant in his own right, not without reason, but he still sees himself, in all his forms, as one of the greatest minds in the Galaxy (again, not without reason), he would absolutely be down for upgrades if he thought it would work and not just kill him.
@@AveSicarius there is one more fucked up mind in the galaxy far older then these two geezers,
that Necron Surgeon that literally invented the process of transferring their living bodies to living metal under the guidance of the Deceiver,
the Dude didn't think that the process could not be reversed and so since then has been trying to find a way to transfer Necrons back to living bodies.
The dude is soo crazy that he thinks that learning to control living souls like machine programming could allow him to achieve that.
Only problem is that even the Silent King knows, Necron's souls were eaten by the very Ctan that made them into immortal machines.
Regardless he remains in this research of his, his equal parts Bile and Cawl (even having a body like Cawl but instruments like Bile)
and get this? he is both Hated and required by the Necrons, Necron lords of any kind hate him for his fucked up arrogant attitude but need his skills to keep their armies working.
and many times the asshole uses their desperation to get research material (living bodies of Eldars and Humans) as payment which even Necrons find distasteful.
@@AveSicariusIt’s not a warp plague. The EC’s legion have a gene seed flaw that causes their to skin to take on a cancerous look and kill’s then slowly
“I have heard this song before.” Cawl stealth dissing the Emperor is delightful.
I didn't pick up on that! Good catch
love how they fight like gentlemen instead of going ape mode and hitting each other
The only reason Cawl isn't hitting him with a multi melta is because The spider is sitting on what may as well be his son with a bone saw to the sons' neck. This is all after a deadly 1v1 with a loose Necron and Cawl is badly damaged to the point that he is mostly crippled.
they're zoom chatting
@@namleist No, shit I was wrong you are right. This is when he sends in a holographic projection onto the Ark Mechanicus ship in Cawl's gallery of things he has collected. If I am remembering it correctly now, Fabius is keeping Cawl busy while he sends a virus into the ship to cut Cawl off. They meet in person later. I am sorry I gave massive misinfo.
@@CorbinHarrison1960Keep this👑
@@CorbinHarrison1960 99% sure it was the other way around, cawl trying to find Fabius and send -him- the virus
Cawl saying "balderdash" is both fitting and hilarious.
In my head canon balderdash is one of a few English words that has survived mostly unchanged all the way to high gothic.
Remember that Fabius Bile indirectly created the legendary Warsmith, Honsou, who led one of the more recent crusades that tore Ultrimar apart.
Remember that Belisarius Cawl worked with the Necrons and was branded by most of the Mechanicus with the title of Arch-Heretic.
Both are tolerated by their respective factions for their genius. Neither are respected or beloved by their peers.
I think you mean "Arch-Heretech" lol
@@AveSicariusI think the term was actually Arch-Heretek.
Tore ultramar apart?
Sounds like hes respected instead
Cawl is actually very respected by half of the Mechanicus. In the book this is from, an entire court defends his ass against a single accusator. Pardon my 🥸
@@hell1942honsu did not tear ultramar apart. He did a mediocre crusade there got fought out just in time for fall of cadia.
Cawl just spat flames the whole time, he may be a cold-hearted bastard whose amazon history is nothing but vaseline and toasters but he’s tame compared to the evil and duplicity of Bile. And then he dropped the omnissiah’s elbow with that “you’re a cliche in a horrifying coat” line.
In any other settings anyone within the Imperium would be the biggest evil without comparision but for the fact they fight literal hell on the daily
Now I want to see fan art of Bile trying to crawl away as Cawl is about to elbow slam him
@@g-saviour6581With ALL his elbows.
Bet he learned that from trazyn. Lol
Na bro bile laughed it off , he be like "yeah but this coat looks dahym..good....
Rough day. Wore his finest to the ball only to be told by the prettiest one there that he's not all that. Truly, a tragedy worthy of the Greeks.
Who? Cawl or fabius?
@@hell1942Yes
"I have this sickening feeling that you are pleading innocence with me"
Oh that's good. I'm using that 😂
“You are a cliche in a horrifying coat” Cawl is straight up savage 😂
In his 10000 years of life cawl would literally heard same dialogue tens thousands of times from menagerie of villainous mad scientists with better fashion sense that tried to destroy imperium in name of humanities and cawl would also familiar with this act as he contains some of them.
"you believe I have turned to chaos"
Your... Your pauldron bile
My God, that was so delicious to listen. Two monsters, one accusing the other of being even more evil. I think i have to read Genefather now
Yeah but there is a difference. Cawl is a monster in the same way Malcador was a monster, he does what he does because he believes it can save humanity. Bile is just a sick fuck.
To be honest, is he wrong?
@@aguywithalotofopinions412 Bile believes that he will usher in a new era for humanity.
@@elegantgent9948both of them do. They're both self-righteous in their own way.
Both of them think they do but Bile it literally working for a chaos god.
Cawl gives Bile no quarter for his lies and false justifications. I love that.
He has neither the time nor the care, to let this lunatic try and justify himself.
Oh no. Bile isn't lying in the slightest. He genuinely wants to save humanity and believes he's ultimately doing the right thing, trying to create a new breed of humans to replace what he views as flawed. But his frame of reference about what is 'right' is rooted in the idea that the ends justify means, so morality and ethics have no place in his sense of what is 'right', only the cold, cruel logic of leaving humanity at large to rot as he tries to innovate, no matter how many babies he has to skin to do it.
And the worst part is that Bile isn't necessarily wrong in his presumption; if he genuinely got what he wanted, humanity would be well on its way to significant evolutionary progress and potentially would be more than prepared to deal with the existential threats that face it. The problem is that Bile is unaware of how he's being manipulated by Chaos, for all that he tries to remain the consummate atheist, rejecting and denying the Chaos Gods, he fails to understand that they still hold power over him, even if he denounces them with every waking moment. After all, he's still chasing perfection and artistry in his work, not realizing how deep Slaanesh's hooks have already sunk into him. He thinks he's managed to stay ahead, that he's somehow managed to stay free where Abaddon, Cawl and Guilliman remain shackled by powers beyond their control, and that's the crux of it all; he thinks he's cheated the system, when in reality he's just as wrapped up in the Great Game as anyone else.
@@Brutalyte616 what about Abbadon is he also just like Bile a pawn of Chaos or he really cheated the system and doing stuff independently?
@@Warmaster2001abaddon is the warmaster of chaos undivided. He doesn't serve any individual chaos God so he has more freedom than say a khornate berserker, a plague marine of nurgle, a rubric of tzeentch, or an emperors children hedonite but if he stops putting energy into empowering and serving chaos they can still kill him. He can probably gain blessings of power from each god individually with certain rituals or sacrifices and serving all four gods should keep him from dealing with the draw backs of serving one god but he is still their puppet just like his weak father who died weeping and ashamed.
@@Warmaster2001 He doesn't serve the Chaos Gods directly, just like Bile, but unlike Bile he's managed to avoid any of the Chaos Gods getting their hooks in deep enough to really influence him. However, they've still set him up to do their dirty work, empowering them and weakening their enemies, just like Horus. If Abaddon has his way, he'll slay the Emperor with his own two hands, but even if he can say he did it of his own free will, that he is still a human man with a human soul that achieved such a thing through his own merits and that he's denied the Chaos Gods up until that point, he'll be faced with the same soul-crushing revelation the Cabal said would be visited upon Horus if he had won the Heresy; even if he chose the path, he was still lied to, tricked, and manipulated into following it to serve the purposes of the Chaos Gods.
That said, the Cabal did mention something else; in his grief and rage, Horus would have burned the Imperium to the ground and wiped out humanity, and in the process of causing so much damage to the galaxy would have dealt the Chaos Gods such a devastating blow that they would either be destroyed outright or be sent into dormancy.
Now is Abaddon good enough to do that? Probably not, and I subscribe to the notion that the Cabal were full of it and only saw the future they wanted to see, where their two biggest threats, Chaos and humanity, destroyed one another and left the galaxy open for the next race to conquer, but that's the tragedy of Abaddon; he's done everything in his power to try and be better than Horus, but ultimately he already doomed himself to the same failings as his father over 10,000 years ago.
“You think I turned to Chaos?”
I know you turned to chaos, oh seeker of perfection. Slanesh cares less about consent than the grandfather and though you don’t praise her, actions speak louder than words.
@maltheri9833praying to the chaos gods only gets you so far. It’s not until the whole hive city starts carving sigils onto their skin and construct icons and symbols to chaos. That’s when the fun starts.
Denyed slaneesh with just a few and stims and benzos
Bile actually learns to give up his obsession in his trilogy, saving his creation from the influence of both himself and the gods.
He also is arguably becoming an entity in his own right, rather then being tainted by any of the chaos gods he appears to be infected with a warp based malady not related to any of the 4. He is supposed to be a mini emps of sorts.
He also is hated by daemons as he denies them. The end of his trilogy is hopeful, rather then being punctuated by fall from grace.
Basically, we dont know for sure whether the prince (hallowed be his name) is actually influencing him in his final form. His final fate is not known, and the author said it themselves that its supposed to be vague. Does slaanesh own him? Will he become a minor chaos god in his own right? Did he circumvent both fates? No one can say for sure
@@theadtheogrekiller5629And yet he's still rocking the man-leather coat and mutilating people into tortured abominations. What does it matter if he's owned by Slaanesh or not if he's still doing the same awful shit regardless.
@@ancientgearsynchro also tbf, belesarius cawl is one of the largest modern contributors to vashtorrs cause. He doesn't have bionic legs to stand on when he is just as guilty of his action proclaiming him a follower of some chaos entities wishes.
I love that Cawl refused to let himself be gaslit into buying Bile's bullshit 😂
“You believe I have turned to chaos?”
“Is that not a star of chaos?”
In fact it is the symbol of chaos in real life too
"You are a cliche in a horrifying coat"
Bile's conciousness instantly transfers to a new clone, unable to withstand that heat
“You believe I have turned to chaos?”-the man with giant bronze octed on his pauldrod
Tzeentch is just eating popcorn and watching this with absolute delight.
Same with Trayzn who snuck in to steal something inconsequential of Cawl's just to piss him off (like a stapler or something) only to stumble upon this gold.
I love that the writers took the chance to diss Primaris marines.
Everyone knows t
Fabius bile is always right
Well it is flawed on purpose degine by emperor that it because he the emperor know
And bile is an HYPOCRITE dilusional crack head 😂😂😂
@@canadianbigmac3501😂 ya he is because that's what called projecting 😂
"I haven't fallen to Chaos..."
"Lol," said Slannesh, "Lmao,"
Bile: U are so grotesque and monstorous u will give children nightmares
Cawl: ur clothes suck and u are a shit villain and scientist
Bile:.......damn why u gotta hurt me like that bro
"I have been worshipped, and I don't want that. What I want to cultivate is Human Will."
Huh, what happened to the last guy that said that. Let's cut to a clip of that guy: *cue a video of the Golden Throne*
they all try soo hard to cut out the middleman, they end up taking its place instead.
Its not a coincidence. Bile still believes in the Imperial Truth, the emperors ideology
“i have heard this song before.”
Live golden throne reaction: 💀
"You can't improve a flawed design"
Then what the hell are you doing Bile?
I thought Belisarius Cawl was more serious. But it seems he can be also chill. Kudos!
Well, he does have a shit ton of different consciousnesses in his head
guy haley wrote him as extremely theatrical and braggadocious, almost like a snake oil saleman
@@namleist As he should be!
He is actually not alike any other mechanicus. You should read the boom about him, pretty funny dude
All of Cawls multiple personalities tuned in as one just to laugh at Bile for asking for the geneseeds of the Primaris Space Marines. 😂
honestly this voice for Fabulous Bill is now the definitive one for me, its just that good
Is that autocorrect or was that on purpose? Either way, that's great. Fabulous Bill.
@@Alexeon thanks man lol, it was indeed intentional.
"If i had returned to terra after fulgrim fell, they would have killed me so i had no choice but to go to chaos"
They didnt kill garro. They didnt kill dantioch. They didnt kill the anchorite. They didnt kill loken. They didnt kill the thousand son that went on to be a grey knight.
In fact, every marine from the fallen legions that remained loyal became either critical to the heresy and a next level badass or they became ultramarines if they didnt have a name.
All of then were loyalist and chose to remin it so.
I hope Ianus is rocking it somewhere, sneaky snatching Shards of Magnus under the Cyclops' nose.
To be fair, Dorn did _try_ to kill Garro.
@@SonofSethoitae And lion pop a marine head because he tell him no
@@raro344 the anchorite wasnt...
"Most of the time, when people want to save people, it's not to add them to their wardrobe" is some of the finest snark I've heard in a while.
Bile: "I couldn't remain loyal if Fulgrum didn't, l would've been attacked by loyalists!"
*Grey Knight calmly seething in background*
To be fair, Bile absolutely would have been shot, but for the shit he did during the Heresy, not just because he would be a Loyalist like Saul Tarvitz. Though even if he wasn't shot, he'd probably have had a terrible time after the Emperor died and progress got thrown out of the window.
Would have been cool to see a Loyalist Bile work with Cawl though, even now Bile is probably the closest to the Emperor's ideals in a twisted way, while Cawl is also akin to the his but through the lens of the Mechanicum (not that he really seems to believe in it, just uses it to further his own goals).
Ah yes, the grey knights- the space marines litteraly made to replace T sons. Surely Big E would have spared Bile. Not to mention the lost legions. Big E has killed his subjects for much less than Bile's work.
Garro, loken and dantioch: are we a joke to you bile?
Sure, let's ask Garro who was nearly killed by Dorn for daring to tell him the truth. Or Loken, who was sought after by MALCADOR and Garro. I suppose Dantioch is an exception but only because Guilliman, unlike the rest of the Imperium, is reasonable.
@@philip8498 bile: no, you are no funny.
"I have heard this before."
Yeah. From the Emperor.
He was one of few with closer experience than most to the guy, albeit probably lost to Cawl over the years.
Bile, you worked with Abbadon, The Emperor's Children and the Dark FUCKING Eldar.
You don't get any room to pretend you are on the Moral High Ground.
Worst of all, he worked with the Corpse Emperor
@@851r01back when he wasnt a corpse yet.
Bile has his part in turning Humanity's greatest weapon against chaos into a throne bound God.
@@jamescawl6904 working with that golden tyrant was clearly his lowest point
@@raro344 I guess you think that him working with the dark eldar was his highest point?
It is impressive that Bile understand the universe he is in so well.
Yeah. He almost looked past the pages to see what books he's been in. Lol.
This is what happens when you try to make a Deadpool in the wrong damned universe.
@@KalebfenoirDeadpool? Are you high?
@@KalebfenoirDeadpool? In what possible way is he like deadpool?
@@Crazieyboy15 it's a joke about breaking the 4th wall.
I doubt they're ACTUALLY comparing them to deadpool.
*"YOU THINK I TURNED TO CHAOS?!"*
has a giant-ass chaos star on his left pauldron
And a human face on the other.
"Humility gets in the way of my self belief" basically "but Bile, Im actually him."
Cawl got a bit meta there at the end...also insulting Bile's fit the entire time lol
Well he has a point like
How is a guy going to pretend "I care about humanity uwu" while wearing human skin as a coat
thats more than just poor fashion thats a visual cue that hes a hypocrite and a liar
itd be like a vet wearing an animal pelt at work
a fur coat maybe but a whole-ass pelt, skin and all?
right there in the practice?
Youd side-eye that at the very least
@@CaptainPrincess He keeps it on as a reminder of how far he fell during the length of the Heresy where he basically was a real ass Slaanesh cultist. Which he isn't now.
@@kolsveinnskraevolding Yknow
I dont think I buy that
I mean I believe that he THINKS that
I dont think its doing for him what he thinks its doing for him
@@kolsveinnskraevolding he still is a Slaneshi cultist. Actions speak louder than words by continuing the path he’s on he still serves that parasite
@@kolsveinnskraevoldinglisten, if I really want to remind myself to do better, I can like... get a day journal to write in, not wear my neighbors
That was awesome! BILE AND CAWL! Two monsters that have the same goal but different means.
I repeatedly listen to this just for the sheer brilliance of the dialogue, and the masterful voice acting.
Its actually astonishing
You know it's kind of hard to disavow the chaos gods when you literally wear the eight pointed star on your shoulder...
And a human face on the other.
You need to get hired to do the official podcasts and audiobooks already. What the fuck this was amazingly good.
This is amazing. Two madmen having a debate.
And toasterfucker is winning
Cawl is several "men" and actually less insane but no less unhinged.
You have nailed down how Cawl would sound to me, this is an amazing job
I love how both of them are monsters and they know it, embrace it even.
The differences lie in their allegiances, Cawl did as was told doing so by breking almost all the rules that the imperium has, meanwhile Bile served himself first and foremost.
Cawl has a point though - maybe he could be called a monster, but he doesn't claim to want to help people while also wearing them.
@@Orapac4142 On Which Bile point out you cant call Bile a monster while making an abomination.
Oooh, i really like the voices for Fabius Bile and Cawl.
I do feel like TTS did Cawl better with the multiple voices though. THough for one dominant single voice, yes.
Cawl is right, Humanity degenerated only because of chaos Bile hipocritically served, he is to blame here for fucking shit up because he wanted to be in charge. He is no better than Horus.
Nah, humanity had already degenerated when it bowed to the Emperor. A fascist dictator exterminating everyone who disagrees, what exactly makes him different from a Chaos God?
@@leahsander5490 Maybe the fact that Big E just exterminated his enemies and did find joy in it? Maybe the fact that the Imperium never built cathedrals out of the skulls of their enemies, bound books in human skin, or made clothes out of human skin? If and when the Imperium includes human bones in their iconography, architecture or even armor it's done with respect. The intent is to say "Look at this pious and devoted human! We honor him thusly!". Chaos is all about perversion, excess, violence for the sake of violence, and constant backstabbing and betrayals. Chaos is literally named by the demons themselves as "The primordial annihilator".
@@leahsander5490 well it is better to listen a very angry and emotionless but most experienced man than a tentacle gods
@@inmamata Finally someone understands me.
@@leahsander5490 He brought order and unification that way to avoid being steamrolled by threats like Necrons. You can`r really alow things to be diverse and expect it to hold togather on THAT scale. However, he could do some things differently, and I think, being suspended in the warp for several thousands of years changed his perspective on some things, like, for example, aliens can also be cooperated whith if you don`t just try to exterminate them.
Cawl murdered him. “Cliche in a horrifying coat” is soul shattering. Also, Jesus Rufus took me a second to realize it was you.
My reputation precedes me.
The patience and delivery of that line is great.
As someone who loves to play with voices, I'm learning a lot from you. Thanks
Hello you are an incredible VA, I can’t stop listening to your works and you nail the voices every time
Cawl really just went "the audacity of this bitch"
But in all seriousness, the voice acting here had me hooked the enitre time. Amazing work!
I get the feeling they just kept circling each other in the same room. Occasional lunge forward to make the other retreat, and vice versa. No weapons drawn in offense, but both deeply on guard of the other.
I do like how Cawl has maintained a sense of humor and sarcasm that his Admech brothers tend to sacrifice. Makes him easier to converse with even if he IS the size of a city bus.
In this particular scene Bile is being projected as a hologram onto Cawl’s ship.
@SolarArmadillo I love how sour Bile is about those who 'speak in dramatic metaphor'. He's literally calling out the entire 40k universe, especially Imperisl and Traitors who LOVE to declare their legends and speak dramatically. Lol.
“You think I have turned to Chaos?!?!” - The man wearing several peoples skins as clothing
And a literal star of Chaos on his shoulder.
Excellent voice acting for Fabious!
"You are a cliche, in a horrifying coat."
Called him out AND dissed the fit CAWL IS A BEAST!!
Just started listening to warhammer audiobooks, done the dark imperium, Fabius Bile’s trilogy, Cain’s and Genefather.
Thank you for bringing my favorite character exchange to life and doing it justice.
El algoritmo me trajo aca, no he comprado ninguna novela. Pero de verdad este dialogo y la dramatizacion estan a un nivel que de verdad me tiene encantado.
Thx for this, im loving it
These voices are excellent
I love their debate sooo much. But to be voiced out in perfect sardonic manner as per their personalities are, it’s just a masterpiece. Looking forward for more! ❤
Bile: "Your primaris are barely an improvement on an already flawed design!"
Cawl: "Bro, I have to update the logistics on a galactic level, of course I could do one super abomination like you do, but have you ever tried to keep a supply line for them?!"
Bile is the type of Guy who thinks a war can be won by wunderwaffe, that once he has perfected the design for the Maus, he will turn the tides.
Cawl is the guy who sees that you have to put the tanks on a boat, so best we can do is making the Sherman slighly larger, but keep it simple so crews can repair them, and it can be deployed everywhere.
Cawl's genius was like Girlyman's: Understanding practical logistics.
Cawl: Wow no one has really talked back to you in a while.
Holy crap, I would’ve never even guessed for a second thought this was the same guy that plays with NeoCranium, this is some phenomenal VA work man.
Yep, that's me :)
Fabius not believing in gods is like Vashtorr talking about War in Heaven - moment when you realise how dangerous they are and how deep in trouble you are.
I need you to explain this.
@@xanmontes8715 the existence of extremely strong psionic entities in 40k is undeniable. The difference is if you view them as gods OR you can look past your difference in scale.
Fabius doesn't believe them to be gods. If given a chance he'd gladly put one of those "gods" on a table to open it up to study to see if he can copy them.
In case of Vashtorr, him talking about War in Heaven, something no human apart from Emperor can be aware of(and even Emps is only because he fought Void Dragon and might have met Vaul) implies thing like him being aware of what C'Tan are, that they can be controlled, HOW they can be controlled and what they can do.
Your voice acting is incredible. The voice for Fabius and Cawl is perfect. Keep up the excellent work, I just found your channel but I eagerly await your next videos!
Two old men sniping at each other and I love every second of it
Cawl delivering the slow roast of the Machine God
just love bile finding a frenemy in cawl finally finding a intelligent man that goes beyond rules and shit
The music makes this magnificent
Dang man, I cannot wait to hear this audiobook now. Great job setting a tense mood to the reading! You do some great voice acting
Fabius Bile, Copelord of Chaos.
I listened to the audio book and I think the voice in this is so much better than in the audible version. Good job!🔥
What is Fabius plan? How exactly he pretends to destroy Chaos? I mean, the emperor, a being extremely more powerfull and ancient failed and how preciselyy the Bile intends to succeed where others way more knowledgeable fail?
I think the clone lord is way too proud of himself.
Where Cawl and Bile differ?
Cawl intends for Man to be the Best he possibly can.
Bile intends for Man to be replaced by something Better.
Likely why the Primaris resulted in a tanked up Eldar and the New Man a hyper steroid Ork.
Biles plannis fairly simple. Wait out tthe larger conflict till both sides are dead, then repopulate the galaxy with a race of his own creation. So far his creations have been formidable, albeit monstrous and inhuman, many have fallen to Chaos. That is his blindspot, by denying his own corruption he doesn't see that the flaw of his creations lay with their maker. He will never achieve his goal.
@@Awesomotron2kthe end of his trilogy has his creations spirited to safety where no one, not him nor the gods can influence them. i dont recall a single one of them falling to chaos.
Unless you are referring to his daughter? And not the current iteration of new men
@@theadtheogrekiller5629 The trilogy make clear he will never be enought for bile. That is his blindspot
"But little did Bile know, before this conversation, that one of Cawl's favorite personalities was a huge comic book nerd obsessed with batman villains"
I love bile's voice
Thank you
0:35 God, the mental images that flashed through my mind at that...
The abhumans approve of your lovely work. I discover myself being a fan of all your work. Well done
This was absolutely amazing!
Whats hilarious about 40k is that the writers always try so hard to make opposing factions seem ”equally evil” yet theres always one side which is clearly a gazillion times worse.
On one side we have a struggling imperium using any means possible to save humanity from extinction, including highly immoral methods, yet these actions all serve the purpose of saving humanity.
On the other side a thousand insane rotting abominations are eating the limbs of living children because they think it tastes good.
GW litteraly cant convince me the imperium are bad guys when everything questionable theyve ever done was done to save humanity from the horrors theyre fighting.
Bile accusing Fabius of kidnapping, torture, and brainwashing is "ASTOUNDING" because Bile does worse every day for fun. Cawl does what he does because he thinks it is a terrible necessity. Cawl is here sniping at Bile's every flaw and hypocrisy, and the best Bile can do is deflect and distract by making another hypocritical accusation.
Cawl is the best characters in 40k for me, he is why I start my mechanicus army
Bravo! You have surpassed John Banks here. Please continue this exchange and if you can, the final confrontation in the hanger!
Bile got burned so badly by that final zinger that he had to be put into his next body early.
Amazing banter between two mad scientists :)
I love conversations between long-lived intellectuals.
"You think i turned to chaos?"
Nah dude, we know you turned to chaos, the only doubt was if you were delusional enough to deny it.
I like the line, "You are a cliché in a horrifying coat."
The debate bros of 40k.
Love that biles friendly advice is the same advice the emperor gave when banning psychers at nikea
Well he is a scientist and he learned golden tyrants advices very well.
Gotta be one of the best voice acting 40k channels. My only gripe would be that there isn't uploads on the daily haha.
I wish I had the time to but alas, real life
Amazing work, as per usual.
You know you are fucked up when an archmagos of mechanicus calls you are a monster and a cliche of Cartoon villain. lol.
I could listen to those two duking it out verbally for hours.
Cawl definitely won that exchange, Bile is just as his name,, nothing but spit, spite, bile and inadequacy
That laugh. It creeps me out how Belisarius Cawl loves to be chatty with his enemies. Usually any imperium will go guns blazings. His loyalty seems to be with the Imperium but it is just funny how different he is.
"they would have shot me" except they wouldn't have, the imperium largely did not punish the loyalist members of traitor legions. Many of them joined up with loyalist legions and fought against their traitor brothers.
But if he admitted that, he couldn't keep lying.
Never been first.. Lovely work, as always!
Second!
I have read that members of traitor legions were still loyal to the Emperor. They become some of the founding members of the Grey Knights.
But what would Malcador have thought of Bile if he had decided to turn himself in?
The whole issue is he had his part in corruption of both Fulgrim and 3rd Legion
@@macshadow1150 How ironic.
@@Aqua311
Bile absolutely gave in for a very long time (lots of very fucked up experiments to do and unlimited purview), but eventually he turned around, said this is pointless and left the Emperor's children. After that Bile does actually seem to change his mindset, and is more focused on his scientific endeavours than what the Third Legion ended up doing most of the time (which you can kind of argue he was always doing, but he was, by his own admission, caught up by Fulgrim's steady fall during the Horus Heresy).
He's corrupted, but not in the way that the Chaos Legion's usually are, and he's more like the scientist that created the Omega Sanction (I think it's called that, basically an anti-transhuman supervirus the Custodes ordered). He's obsessed with creating a version of humanity that can survive the Galaxy of 40k (which he actually sort of achieved with the New Men until Fulgrim got involved, they are resistant to Chaos, can take down Astartes in close combat, are incredibly resilient and intelligent, and are capable of integrating into current human societies while steadily replacing them), but it's never good enough, he's always pushing the boundaries and never stops, which is why Slaanesh likes him so much, but he is firmly not Chaos in the sense of Chaos Worship and actively causes all the Daemon's around him to shrink back in fear (yes fear) because he denies them so thoroughly.
If he wasn't corrupted by his association with the Third and the Phonecian, he'd probably have been one of Big E's favourites. As it stands he's still closer to the Emperor's ideals than most. He's sort of a high functioning psychopath mad genius that was given superpowers, and now he's even more of all that.
If Malcador found him any time after the start of the Heresy he'd probably have been "shot", and by that I mean they would have captured him, had him work for the Loyalists, and then killed him afterwards. Fabius is many things, most of them awful (even before the fall), but he's also very good at what he does, which is why the Traitor's haven't just killed him yet.
The major issue with Bile is the same issue as Fulgrim, he's so obsessed with perfection that he can't let go and move on to something else even if it is harmful to everyone around him. Bile perfectly cloned Fulgrim in a way that the Primarch was uncorrupted and seemed to have that Primarch spark, but traded him away so he could have more material to work on his New Men with.
@@AveSicarius When human life is taken for granted as it is in 40k, perfection will never be achieved.
It seems like Bile isn't as in control of himself as he thinks he is, if he's unable to see past his own obsessions and passions.
Enlighten me, has he ever considered endowing his creations with traits such as compassion, empathy, understanding and wisdom?
@@Aqua311 A fact a few people forget to add was that long before the Heresy started Fabius was already dying.
That's one of the ironies about him. He didnt need Chaos to corrupt him - he was already doing horrific things to people to find a cure for himself long before Fulgrim even touched the Laer Blade.
That's why Bile thinks he isnt corrupted - he's already so twisted theres nothing left inside of him to corrupt.
(Like the Questor said. Fabius has done such horrific things even the Ruinious Powers think it's going too far - like how???? 😅)
The writing in this gives you an appreciation for games workshop ☠️😹
Was waiting for Cawl to mention Biles pimp cane for the finishing blow.
Daaang Cawl be spitting insults and facts in equal measure 😂