"Hubris is a delicious sin, but one that will undo you if you take it to excess. Take it from me." I think there is no line more appropriate for a daemon prince of Slaanesh ever written, let alone Fulgrim himself.
@joshuaseuser625 yeah, it's amazing how Horus achieved to send away or push back the only two sane and competent brothers away, the only other one coming close being Morty.
@@giacomoromano8842 The Death Guard and Iron Warriors are the only traitor legions still with command structure. Even as plague marines the Death Guard maintain original ranks even now which is crazy. If Horus didn’t have them the siege couldn’t even happen same with the Iron Warriors.
@Warmaster2001 It's okay, he had enough skill in other areas to force him to come back anyway. Probably would have succeeded completely if he wasn't betrayed. Either way, he got his way in the end.
@Warmaster2001You might want to read lore on “Lore-gar” (see what I did there 😏). Guy was pretty competent and charismatic. The issue is the most of the people he was trying to convince were idiots or completely insane.
Lorgar "i've tried to convince Fulgrim to come back to the war but he refused" Horus "what did you tell him to convince him?" Lorgar "i appealed to his sense of duty and the justice of our cause." Horus "......" Lorgar "yeah using those with Fulgrim does sound stupid now that i say out loud"
I love that Fulgrim here understood Chaos so much more deeply than Lorgar ever could in spite of not giving a crap. If Slaanesh had any real interest in the HH, Fulgrim would sense it and be compelled to a degree to participate. But he knows the truth; the Four only care about the Materium as it pertains to the Great Game.
@Warmaster2001 Basically. They can't exist in the material world. They care about mortals only inasmuch as they can use them for fuel in the Great Game.
They only needed to prevent the emperor from using the web way to starve them out. That plan failed the moment Magnus breached the wards attempting to warn him about Horus. So in a way, they already won before the war even really began. Killing the emperor would have meant the doom of Mankind within a few hundred years and then they would lose much of their power. So Slaanesh probably didn't feel any great urgency to act.
Not necessarily, Lorgar still understands the warp as a whole vastly more than Fulgrim, Fulgrim just understood this part of it more than Lorgar at the time
@@infidelheretic923Hell even I bet Tzeentch who loves the game is content just with this. I mean he even broke his staff so he could never stop gaming.
@StoneStraiff he was right than horus was going to falter and fail, and he was right about faith as it is and has been the only thing keeping the imperium running.
I saw it as Lorgar having patience with Fulgrim's ecstatic insanity. He knew exactly what Fulgrim would say, and responded appropriately given the situation. This was a small manipulation, not a grand sibling rivalry. Fulgrim's confidence is working on you and most of the others, but that is simply Slaanesh's influence. He sees a vision including the Gods but not of the Gods and wishes, just like all Word Bearers, for a path towards total human enlightenment. The demons might have hold of the greater realms, they are true, but humanity can dominate even those with time and intuition (if faith is a dirty word for you HAHA). But this is not possible if we deny this dark reality.
Chaos has no motive. The 'gods' are accumulations of emotion made manifest in the warp. They are a reflection of mortal thought and feeling, no more capable of creating plans or having a will of their own than the stormcloud is capable of choosing when and where to unleash its torrent. They're just forces of nature.
Thing is Fulgrim, having a direct link to Slaanesh, was probably aware of Slaanesh's will. And he do hint that the idea of betraying and dropping Horus is tempting, aka, Slaanesh is not against it, but won't do it, and explain by questionning him on his leadership ability. Like, "the others won't follow you". Fulgrim, like Slaanesh, would not mind betraying Horus, probably same for the others Chaos Gods, but then "who lead?" was a debate they didn't want to have as it would have resulted in infighting and chaos civil war. But IMO, Lorgar's plan was probably the most rational. Not good, but rational. He is the only primarch who fell to chaos but kept his sanity despite that.
@@MaitreKorda He was pretty insane before. But he was also familiar with chaos from an early age. So he probably had the best grasp of his senses compared to others who dabled in it.
Fulgrim's voice makes me violently ill. Everything, from his smarminess to his condescending, mocking, sing-song tone at points, encapsulated perfectly in just a few words.
Oooohhhhh your Fulgrim is EXQUISITELY contemptuous. It's such a wonderful little exchange, the zealot vs. the true devotee. Lorgar is so convinced that he's trying to do the right thing, chasitsing Fulgrim's apathetic hedonism, despite this being EXACTLY what he's promoted and Fulgrim is *rubbing* the irony in Aurelian's face. I know that as an Iron Warriors fan I'm contractually obligated to have my gripes with John French, but when he cooks it's a damn gourmet experience, and I'm glad to see this dialogue given a go-over.
I can't wait for you and your career to inevitable explode in popularity and recognition. Your range is nuts, and your Lorgar impression has quickly become my headcanon over any other voice I've heard.
Same to me ... when i read a Lorgar line, i always imagine his voice sounds like this .... i must admit, that i become a little bit angry and annoyed, when i hear another voice trying to depicting the Primarch of the Word Bearers.
Dear Throne, when I look back at your previous works with Lorgar I can really see just how much he fell; he was once so compassionate and hated war, now he's nothing but another monster
It is really a cruel transformation in the story: Literally the only Primarch, who hated war and often trying to avoid slaughter and misery become such a wicked culprit, that even demons change roadsides when they saw him. :D
@@andraskovacs5431 I’m certain of Dorn, Roboute, Curze and Perturabo, plus Sanguinius and Magnus also dreamed of peaceful era. To be fair, Lorgar and Magnus despite war the most. They were scholars, not warriors
@@MagnusArchitectOfFate You're right I forgott about them. But yeah many tought war to be wasteful for example like Perturabo Dorn and Guiliman. Sanguinius and Fulgrim were more artists than wariors. Corvus, Vulkan, (pre nail) Angron and Curze were against the bloodshed of war. And Lorgar and Magnus were scholars as you said.
Lorgar's compassion has always been nothing more than self-pity and narcissism. He clings to religious fanaticism so he wouldn't have to accept hard truths that displeased him. He did it with Kor Phaeron, with the Emperor, with Horus and with the Chaos Gods in general. People want to say Magnus or Fulgrim are the most arrogant of the Primarchs and Perturabo or Curze the most petty, but it's Lorgar who wins the spot. Magnus' mistakes were done out of incomplete knowledge and perceived betrayal. Fulgrim, while vain, was always a man of culture and benevolence towards lesser humans, even honoring his long-dead adoptive parents Lorgar, much like the Fremen of Dune, thought he knew the truth even better than everyone, even the supposed god-father he worshipped. And he doomed the whole galaxy to prove that, making him far more petty than Perturabo and Curze.
may i petition you to voice the scene during the Istvaan 5 dropsite massacre where the Iron Warrior captain tells a word bearer to “Have Faith”. It was some thing like “have faith word bearer we all suffer to day” because of all the friendly fire
Look. I hold Lorgar in the utmost contempt. But damn, that voice is perfect. Massive Legacy of Kain vibes and I mean that as the highest accolade I can give.
@@jhetttiernan2623no it’s still the demon, people who don’t understand the lore just believe the demon saying he’s actually fulgrim even though fulgrims real soul is in his perfect clone body.
@JustSomeWeirdo it sounds like you're the one who doesn't understand the lore. At this point Fulgrim had already excised the body of the daemon and his clone didn't even exist
These are incredible! The voices match so nicely to their respective characters and the delivery is very immersive! These readings really flesh out the Primarchs and shed light on them in a way I wouldn't have considered until now!
Fulgrim does have a lot of canon loses (Saturnine, the very conversation in this video) but I think it's simply because he's bored. Imagine what he is capable when fully driven.
No, he was wrong. They were both wrong. They underestimated Horus. He was as broken and soulsick as the Nighthaunter at this point but he still had a will of his own. The dark gods warped his mind and influenced his decisions but he was not a remote controlled robot as many thought. In the end, he easily freed himself of the dark gods influence, by giving up his powers as he always planned to do, alas to early. The emperror tricked him and killed him. He had him on the mat before that.
@@danielpaulmann4799 HERESY!!!! YOU SPEAK NOTHING BUT LIES AND DECEIT!!!!! CHAOS SAW THAT IT COULD NOT WIN AGAINST OUR LORD THUS ABANDED HORUS, LEAVING OUR GLORIUS EMPEROR TO GRANT HIM A MERCY HE DID NOT DESERVE!!!!
They all were just tools of the Gods, though everyone created some bs to justify their treachery like "fighting for truth" or "fighting against tyranny".
It's funny to think about, but in a subtle way, Fulgrim was giving Lorgar all he needed to realize his "faith" was just his hubris looking for an excuse. If the Chaos deities ceased to favor Horus, they would abandon him, and Horus would be no more. There would be no need for treachery. Yet Lorgar is still doubling down to justify something he simply cannot hope to pull off. Said it before and will say it again: I wonder if anyone ever bothered to ask the primarch "did you go into the eye looking for gods because you wanted the truth, or because you needed your father to be wrong."
I don't think Fulgrim is being facetious when he asks Lorgar "which war, again? i lose track. time is not what it was." I think that, being in the warp, the battles of the Heresy and the battles of the 41st millennium (as well as everything before, between, and after) blend together and he legitimately doesn't know which "unfinished" war Lorgar is referring to.
no, we actually know that the thing that calls itself fulgrim, while composed of his personality and memories when he fell into corruption, is not actually fulgrim, most daemon princes are born when the soul of a person is totally removed (usually consumed/joined to the chaos god) and replaced with the essence of said god, whether they become a prince or the fate of a chaos spawn then comes down to the power of the minds will to exert itself (personality, memories etc) into the new daemonic form. However, this does 2 things, the former person is now an expression of the god and is also susceptible to the nature of the warp completely (i.e totally mutable, a billion people thinking daemon fulgrim is x actually makes daemon fulgrim x etc). The actual soul of fulgrim still existing and bound to she whos thirsty.....until fabius bile did a funny and by accident, resurrected the real fulgrim (cloned him and the clone body had a superior claim to his soul then she who's thirsty, its confirmed in that story that this clone was the **real** fulgrim soul etc, uncorrupted too). I say most, because some daemon princes do actually have the original soul as a component of their form, or parts of it (Daemon magnus has 90% of the original magunus soul in their essence combined with tzeentch juice).
After he killed Ferrus a daemon took over him. This went on for months. Eventually through some arcane means his sons found out and broke him out of the demon's grip. Strangely, rather than growing disgusted and wary of demonic influence. This just seemed to make him grow fonder of it. He persuaded the Iron warriors to accompany him to an Eldar world inside the eye of terror and used it to ascend as the daemon prince of Slaanesh. The Iron warriors are probably still sour about what happened there.
@@RufusJuice omg perfect description. THANK YOU, needed that for a project. ALSO LOVE YOUR READINGS! Also ignore the other comments I left in your other videos in regards to lorgar xp
Perfect coverage of Chaos and its claimed Primarchs. Decadent and disinterested Fulgrim. Preachey and delusional Lorgar. Their view of their origins, their fall, their brother Horus...
The only one to succeed in killing 2 primarchs and put Perturabo on a slow path towards death. Only for one of them to get better and the other to become a daemon prince.
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The one who voiced Fulgrim did a *PERFECT* job
The kind words are much appreciated, it's all just me doing it. Thank you :)
@@RufusJuice oh neat!
how long does it takes to make these videos?
@@OMNISSIAH-VERY-GREAT It varies, a good few hours usually and of course, life does get in the way sometimes.
Very good job. In a time where everything is AI generated, you give me hope.
It gives me Astarion vibes
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"Hubris is a delicious sin, but one that will undo you if you take it to excess. Take it from me."
I think there is no line more appropriate for a daemon prince of Slaanesh ever written, let alone Fulgrim himself.
I honestly couldn't believe he said that. That's some crazy self awareness.
When you realise how screwed and unreliable the traitors forces have become, you totally understand Perturabo quitting after finishing his job.
Perty was the only Traitor Primarch not under the thrall of the Four at the siege. And Chaos is... well, chaotic.
Lorgar was the other 50 % of the war effort
@joshuaseuser625 yeah, it's amazing how Horus achieved to send away or push back the only two sane and competent brothers away, the only other one coming close being Morty.
@@giacomoromano8842 The Death Guard and Iron Warriors are the only traitor legions still with command structure. Even as plague marines the Death Guard maintain original ranks even now which is crazy. If Horus didn’t have them the siege couldn’t even happen same with the Iron Warriors.
@joshuaseuser625 it was HIS war. The heresy came about solely from him and Erubus' plots and treachery
*Lorgar after facing Horus*
"The risk i took was calculated, but boy am i bad at math"
Lorgar trying to hold these idiots together was so funny to watch in the books.
@Warmaster2001 It's okay, he had enough skill in other areas to force him to come back anyway. Probably would have succeeded completely if he wasn't betrayed. Either way, he got his way in the end.
@Warmaster2001You might want to read lore on “Lore-gar” (see what I did there 😏). Guy was pretty competent and charismatic. The issue is the most of the people he was trying to convince were idiots or completely insane.
Lorgar "i've tried to convince Fulgrim to come back to the war but he refused"
Horus "what did you tell him to convince him?"
Lorgar "i appealed to his sense of duty and the justice of our cause."
Horus "......"
Lorgar "yeah using those with Fulgrim does sound stupid now that i say out loud"
He had a back up plan.
Which did get Fulgrim to follow him.
I love that Fulgrim here understood Chaos so much more deeply than Lorgar ever could in spite of not giving a crap. If Slaanesh had any real interest in the HH, Fulgrim would sense it and be compelled to a degree to participate. But he knows the truth; the Four only care about the Materium as it pertains to the Great Game.
@Warmaster2001 Basically. They can't exist in the material world. They care about mortals only inasmuch as they can use them for fuel in the Great Game.
They only needed to prevent the emperor from using the web way to starve them out.
That plan failed the moment Magnus breached the wards attempting to warn him about Horus.
So in a way, they already won before the war even really began. Killing the emperor would have meant the doom of Mankind within a few hundred years and then they would lose much of their power.
So Slaanesh probably didn't feel any great urgency to act.
Not necessarily, Lorgar still understands the warp as a whole vastly more than Fulgrim, Fulgrim just understood this part of it more than Lorgar at the time
@@infidelheretic923Hell even I bet Tzeentch who loves the game is content just with this. I mean he even broke his staff so he could never stop gaming.
Can someone explain the great game please? Is it just the chaos entities playing the long game?
I have faith: Fulgrim bursts out laughing.
Lorgar was right, though
@@gaebi how so?
@StoneStraiff he was right than horus was going to falter and fail, and he was right about faith as it is and has been the only thing keeping the imperium running.
@@gaebiAnd the black irony is that the very faith that has maintained the Imperium’s survival was started by Lorgar and the Emperor denounced.
@@gaebi Yeah, but he was wrong about the Gods choosing him as champion, as proven by how Horus beat his ass later.
Accurate audio inside Lorgars head: "*Muffled screaming"
I'm reminded of that time Horus took to surgically cutting Erebus' face to see what daemons lurk behind it whispering to him
I saw it as Lorgar having patience with Fulgrim's ecstatic insanity. He knew exactly what Fulgrim would say, and responded appropriately given the situation. This was a small manipulation, not a grand sibling rivalry. Fulgrim's confidence is working on you and most of the others, but that is simply Slaanesh's influence.
He sees a vision including the Gods but not of the Gods and wishes, just like all Word Bearers, for a path towards total human enlightenment. The demons might have hold of the greater realms, they are true, but humanity can dominate even those with time and intuition (if faith is a dirty word for you HAHA). But this is not possible if we deny this dark reality.
If they “willed it” you wouldn’t need to convince Fulgrim.
No it’s simply the nature of chaos to turn on chaos
Lorgar and all the others truly are just lost fools thinking they serve some higher purpose rather than just being chaos' plaything for entertainment
Chaos has no motive. The 'gods' are accumulations of emotion made manifest in the warp. They are a reflection of mortal thought and feeling, no more capable of creating plans or having a will of their own than the stormcloud is capable of choosing when and where to unleash its torrent.
They're just forces of nature.
Thing is Fulgrim, having a direct link to Slaanesh, was probably aware of Slaanesh's will. And he do hint that the idea of betraying and dropping Horus is tempting, aka, Slaanesh is not against it, but won't do it, and explain by questionning him on his leadership ability. Like, "the others won't follow you".
Fulgrim, like Slaanesh, would not mind betraying Horus, probably same for the others Chaos Gods, but then "who lead?" was a debate they didn't want to have as it would have resulted in infighting and chaos civil war.
But IMO, Lorgar's plan was probably the most rational. Not good, but rational.
He is the only primarch who fell to chaos but kept his sanity despite that.
@@MaitreKorda “kept his sanity” that’s a bit of a stretch there isn’t it?
@@MaitreKorda
He was pretty insane before.
But he was also familiar with chaos from an early age. So he probably had the best grasp of his senses compared to others who dabled in it.
Fulgrim's voice makes me violently ill. Everything, from his smarminess to his condescending, mocking, sing-song tone at points, encapsulated perfectly in just a few words.
I can only imagine the disgust Rylanor felt when he saw Fulgrim this low.
I can only imagine what disgust fulgrim would feel if he could have seen what he was going to become.
Listening to deamon fulgrim's voice while your high af is something else man. Excellent voice acting.
Oooohhhhh your Fulgrim is EXQUISITELY contemptuous. It's such a wonderful little exchange, the zealot vs. the true devotee. Lorgar is so convinced that he's trying to do the right thing, chasitsing Fulgrim's apathetic hedonism, despite this being EXACTLY what he's promoted and Fulgrim is *rubbing* the irony in Aurelian's face. I know that as an Iron Warriors fan I'm contractually obligated to have my gripes with John French, but when he cooks it's a damn gourmet experience, and I'm glad to see this dialogue given a go-over.
I can't wait for you and your career to inevitable explode in popularity and recognition. Your range is nuts, and your Lorgar impression has quickly become my headcanon over any other voice I've heard.
Same to me ... when i read a Lorgar line, i always imagine his voice sounds like this .... i must admit, that i become a little bit angry and annoyed, when i hear another voice trying to depicting the Primarch of the Word Bearers.
Canon like tzencht and dorne of tts... And zegram is magnus
when you realize that the reason why chaos CANT take over the galaxy, is because it is so corruptive that its own forces refuse to fight
Ironically, only the competent followers of Chaos were the ones who remained atheists.
This is a perfectly accurate representation of Fulgrim... It's like I'm listening to the real guy, flesh and blood...
I like those voice actors, I like Fulgrim having hints of "legion speak" in his voice and I even like colors used for subtitles for both characters.
Dear Throne, when I look back at your previous works with Lorgar I can really see just how much he fell; he was once so compassionate and hated war, now he's nothing but another monster
It is really a cruel transformation in the story: Literally the only Primarch, who hated war and often trying to avoid slaughter and misery become such a wicked culprit, that even demons change roadsides when they saw him. :D
@@leftyleftwing968 Actually quite a few of them hated war.
Curze, Perturabo for certain.
I think Dorn, Guiliman and Corvus as well.
@@andraskovacs5431 I’m certain of Dorn, Roboute, Curze and Perturabo, plus Sanguinius and Magnus also dreamed of peaceful era.
To be fair, Lorgar and Magnus despite war the most. They were scholars, not warriors
@@MagnusArchitectOfFate You're right I forgott about them. But yeah many tought war to be wasteful for example like Perturabo Dorn and Guiliman.
Sanguinius and Fulgrim were more artists than wariors.
Corvus, Vulkan, (pre nail) Angron and Curze were against the bloodshed of war.
And Lorgar and Magnus were scholars as you said.
Lorgar's compassion has always been nothing more than self-pity and narcissism. He clings to religious fanaticism so he wouldn't have to accept hard truths that displeased him. He did it with Kor Phaeron, with the Emperor, with Horus and with the Chaos Gods in general. People want to say Magnus or Fulgrim are the most arrogant of the Primarchs and Perturabo or Curze the most petty, but it's Lorgar who wins the spot. Magnus' mistakes were done out of incomplete knowledge and perceived betrayal. Fulgrim, while vain, was always a man of culture and benevolence towards lesser humans, even honoring his long-dead adoptive parents Lorgar, much like the Fremen of Dune, thought he knew the truth even better than everyone, even the supposed god-father he worshipped. And he doomed the whole galaxy to prove that, making him far more petty than Perturabo and Curze.
Yup, this is definitely my Fulgrim voice headcanon
This just shows how insufferable Slaanesh makes its followers lmao
I could listen to this Fulgrim fucking around with Lorgar for hours … verbally ofc
may i petition you to voice the scene during the Istvaan 5 dropsite massacre where the Iron Warrior captain tells a word bearer to “Have Faith”. It was some thing like “have faith word bearer we all suffer to day” because of all the friendly fire
The fulgrim voice is perfect
Jesus Christ I’m a Fulgrim fan now. This was delicious
Look. I hold Lorgar in the utmost contempt.
But damn, that voice is perfect.
Massive Legacy of Kain vibes and I mean that as the highest accolade I can give.
Amazing work with their voices 👏
So much personality in their tone
"I have faith"
Was code for
[I have a back up plan in case you refuse]
Of all your videos this is my favorite. Fulgrim describing what the Imperium under Logar would look like is amazing
Why is Fulgrim so savage?🤣 Someone give him a Snickers. He's hangry. He's not himself when he's hangry.
Great job, that "brother dear, brother mine" great.
The demon wearing Fulgrim’s body like a skin suit is still working on not sounding overtly demonic lol
At that point Fulgrim was in full control.
@@fbussier80 dang.
@@jhetttiernan2623no it’s still the demon, people who don’t understand the lore just believe the demon saying he’s actually fulgrim even though fulgrims real soul is in his perfect clone body.
@JustSomeWeirdo it sounds like you're the one who doesn't understand the lore. At this point Fulgrim had already excised the body of the daemon and his clone didn't even exist
@@keikei2942 you havent read the books
The voice acting is amazing here!
Love the voice acting
These are incredible! The voices match so nicely to their respective characters and the delivery is very immersive! These readings really flesh out the Primarchs and shed light on them in a way I wouldn't have considered until now!
"And then what?"
I was getting Q vibes from that delivery.
Fulgrim does have a lot of canon loses (Saturnine, the very conversation in this video) but I think it's simply because he's bored. Imagine what he is capable when fully driven.
God, these are great! Would love to see what you could do with Khan and Mortarion. No matter what, you’ve got a talent for these!
The more I listen to Fulgrim, the more I hear him sounding like Pagan Min and a bit of Voss from the Farcry series.
That cut off at 0:20 - 0:22 got me lol
Damn this is good acting.
This is SOOOOOO well done!!! 🙌🏻
I kinda think lorgar was kinda right he didn't see Horus as a champion but a tool
No, he was wrong. They were both wrong. They underestimated Horus. He was as broken and soulsick as the Nighthaunter at this point but he still had a will of his own. The dark gods warped his mind and influenced his decisions but he was not a remote controlled robot as many thought. In the end, he easily freed himself of the dark gods influence, by giving up his powers as he always planned to do, alas to early. The emperror tricked him and killed him. He had him on the mat before that.
@@danielpaulmann4799 HERESY!!!! YOU SPEAK NOTHING BUT LIES AND DECEIT!!!!! CHAOS SAW THAT IT COULD NOT WIN AGAINST OUR LORD THUS ABANDED HORUS, LEAVING OUR GLORIUS EMPEROR TO GRANT HIM A MERCY HE DID NOT DESERVE!!!!
@@danielpaulmann4799 he still failed.
They all were just tools of the Gods, though everyone created some bs to justify their treachery like "fighting for truth" or "fighting against tyranny".
Everyone sees themselves as the main characters and not just the pawns of someone else's game.
This was a REALLY good book.
these are so well done
This goes insanely hard, quality stuff
I like how Lorgar the all wise genius of warp lore can't tell his brother is possessed.
He knew that since Istavaan V. He almost killed Fulgrim
Very well done. I look forward to more readings from you!
Then Horus beats Lorgar to near death and Lorgar fucks off in a corner afterwards.
Damn bro, you're getting so much better.
Fulgrim be like, F that noise finna go coom
Fleeeewwwwrrting with treachery
Great job putting ALL the ZEST in Fulgrim's voice, bravo!
@Warmaster2001 would you be able to become a daemon prince by covering a planet in baby oil
Brother Sweat Brother mine! 😂
Lovely! ...and interesting. Both of them were 100% right.
Damn. I like Fulgrim
He's a good villain.
Thanks for the video.
This is amazing
Fulgrim sounds just like Oracle from Dota 2.
Perturabo would absolutely not fight in the name of the chaos gods. He’d rather flake off and build his own empire than fight for religious reasons
Undoubtedly so.
But Lorgar could probably persuade him to put aside their differences and slay the emperor before turning on each other.
Horus gave him a good whacking though
It's funny to think about, but in a subtle way, Fulgrim was giving Lorgar all he needed to realize his "faith" was just his hubris looking for an excuse.
If the Chaos deities ceased to favor Horus, they would abandon him, and Horus would be no more. There would be no need for treachery.
Yet Lorgar is still doubling down to justify something he simply cannot hope to pull off.
Said it before and will say it again: I wonder if anyone ever bothered to ask the primarch "did you go into the eye looking for gods because you wanted the truth, or because you needed your father to be wrong."
I don't think Fulgrim is being facetious when he asks Lorgar "which war, again? i lose track. time is not what it was." I think that, being in the warp, the battles of the Heresy and the battles of the 41st millennium (as well as everything before, between, and after) blend together and he legitimately doesn't know which "unfinished" war Lorgar is referring to.
I think killing Ferrus drove Fulgrim to complete depravity and Rylanor sealed the deal for him to never be redeamable.
no, we actually know that the thing that calls itself fulgrim, while composed of his personality and memories when he fell into corruption, is not actually fulgrim, most daemon princes are born when the soul of a person is totally removed (usually consumed/joined to the chaos god) and replaced with the essence of said god, whether they become a prince or the fate of a chaos spawn then comes down to the power of the minds will to exert itself (personality, memories etc) into the new daemonic form. However, this does 2 things, the former person is now an expression of the god and is also susceptible to the nature of the warp completely (i.e totally mutable, a billion people thinking daemon fulgrim is x actually makes daemon fulgrim x etc). The actual soul of fulgrim still existing and bound to she whos thirsty.....until fabius bile did a funny and by accident, resurrected the real fulgrim (cloned him and the clone body had a superior claim to his soul then she who's thirsty, its confirmed in that story that this clone was the **real** fulgrim soul etc, uncorrupted too).
I say most, because some daemon princes do actually have the original soul as a component of their form, or parts of it (Daemon magnus has 90% of the original magunus soul in their essence combined with tzeentch juice).
@@davianthule2035 The more I read about Fabius Bile, the more interesting he becomes. My introduction to his character was the TTS Slaneshmas special.
Damn its seems ferrus death broke fulgrims mind eh even tons of warp drug not helping him to much
After he killed Ferrus a daemon took over him. This went on for months.
Eventually through some arcane means his sons found out and broke him out of the demon's grip.
Strangely, rather than growing disgusted and wary of demonic influence. This just seemed to make him grow fonder of it.
He persuaded the Iron warriors to accompany him to an Eldar world inside the eye of terror and used it to ascend as the daemon prince of Slaanesh.
The Iron warriors are probably still sour about what happened there.
Only primordial facts here
When the 4 left Horus he didn’t die.
Such is the way of daemons to lie and mislead us
Love the music choice. what is that?
Also great job
Anyone know what the background music is? Love the whole video but could listen to that while i paint
how would you describe the voice of lorgar? it sounds really good
Deep, sultry, regal, well spoken.
@@RufusJuice omg perfect description. THANK YOU, needed that for a project. ALSO LOVE YOUR READINGS! Also ignore the other comments I left in your other videos in regards to lorgar xp
Sounds like Him from power puff girls.
Same sound effect
What music was used??
Feel like fulgrim low key still had love for big E
Is it the "dark compliance"?
I don't like that picture of Lorgar, he was beautiful not a pinched face puritan from an 80s movie
He was suppose to look like the Emperor physically. But your right. That face should be Erebus's face in my opinion.
This is post monarchia and during heresy dont expect him to be as he was in the great crusade
That's a good point, I didn't thi k about that...being an asshole has consequences
@@blank8460 yes and having a shattering event that changes your life and core beliefs so much drastically changes you.
Perfect coverage of Chaos and its claimed Primarchs. Decadent and disinterested Fulgrim. Preachey and delusional Lorgar. Their view of their origins, their fall, their brother Horus...
Fulgrim didn’t even try and was still better than your favorite primarch.
The only one to succeed in killing 2 primarchs and put Perturabo on a slow path towards death. Only for one of them to get better and the other to become a daemon prince.
@@tylerpetersen6226 GW made pert a demon prince.
Perty ran from terra
Mortarion beat Perty in war.
Cope harder fanboy. Your incel king is trash.
Lyak could have killed horus here, I wonder besides plot armor why he did not.
youtube.com/@RufusJuice What was the background music that you used?
I hate how hard the traitors fell by the end of the siege, Perturabo was the only "human" primarch left
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Love Lorgar
Do Warhammer Fantasy Dub!