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Perhaps Alpha Primus isn't made wrong but instead its soul is poorly attached so that when the time comes it's easier for another soul, one that's been without a body for about 10,000 years, to inhabit its body.
I think the part of the emperor that was in the warp attached itself to the being know as Mephiston. He might have the most gifts overall but he can't match the psychic potential of Mephiston, not even Magnus can who is bound to the literal god of sorcery. This was the part of the emperor that was cast off to fight Horus. He literally died to get this power and this entity does not know what it is. This is just a shard of the emperor mind you, it might not even be the full sum of the emperor's power in the warp. Not saying that a larger fragment doesn't still exist that either one can become possessed by. This idea makes the most sense to me. As far as being created to be a powerful space marine I suppose he is the best in that regards, but Mephiston kinda proves that this potential exists within more space Marines than one might think. Let's face it once you're a top tier psycher, every other power becomes kinda meaningless since a psycher of that might can mimic any power.
@@DeathBYDesign666hold up. Mephiston is bound to the new star child fragment of big E? The life and the death part 2 didnt say the star child shard bound to him did it? Only that big E broke his soul in 2
static Vlookup is path to the Herecy. Static Vlookup leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. use cell references instead of hardcoding values in the formula as The Father Emperor intended.
Honestly, i just hope Alpha Primus continues being what he is: A grumpy Frankenstein monster that is a constant reminder to Cawl that he can cause suffering despite his good intentions. I dont want Primus to suddenly become some massive, important plot point. No primarch, no star child, no nothing. Just Grumpenstein who occasionally does some absolutely baller stuff.
Logistics win wars... Above all other things, Logistics gets it there and gets it done. Without a plan, there is just unguided flesh smashing against each other...
I do like how the Bile is portraited here. It would be really interesting plot twist if the scourge of the warp (human race that can not be tainted by warp) came out from his experiments.
I’ve always liked that Cawl sorta believes Primus is his child. Which to a degree, he is. He even admits Primus has some of Cawl’s dna. Even in Genefather, Cawl is relieved Primus survived the attack. He’s Frankenstein’s monster, but if Victor kept him and never threw him out.
This is the thing that has always annoyed me about this is that they should have known that the emperor would want them to advance their tech and surely cawl could get his mind read and they would see that he has the permission of the emperor, it seems stupid that they finally give the imperium some hope for them to then take it away almost immediately by giving it all to bile
They didn't give it away to Bile. Bile acquired the data in the form of gene seed, but that genetic and technological information is still present in Primus.
Cawl has memory corruption issues Guilliman permissions for sure but who else can confirm big E. Valdor hasn’t returned Btw wild theory, will primus be the host to the star child soul fragment? It would explain the soul not fitting
@@GotrekGurnisson isn't the current theory that the star child host is whatever valdor is working on? Primus is probably just a bodyguard/surrogate son, Cawliflower man's very own Valdor, or Lionel, depending on his mood for the day.
Read between the lines. Pimaris are an excuse to replace the most bought models with new ones. Now there is a lore excuse to replace chaos space Marines in a few years. The new lore is written to fit the money grab, not the other way around.
Something between a collective mind and a singular mind. While Cawl absorbed many minds over his long life he still is the dominant mind. Which is further complicated by the fact that he switch between different personalities if needed and even make subordinate copies of himself whose memories he later re-absorbs. And he can externally store his knowledge, which i guess came quite handy for the mind-wipes he was forced to undergo for past transgressions. Apart from Big E he propably has the most... complicated mind in all of humanity.
"Gods do not suffer." Tell that to Prometheus. There was also this one pretty well documented event at Golgotha about 2000 years ago. You may have heard of it.
Not well documented at all. Can't even find record of a Jesus born in birth records from the time period. The Roman apollo cult x Persian mysteries and Hellenistic Judaism. The rest is cooked up a century or so later by cultists.
Prometheus is a Titan, not a god. Also, J-dog very, very, very specifically and importantly was supposed to be human at the time. The exact nature of his transition to/from and/or status as a god at the moment of those events has been the cause of some minor but persistent debate. See also: nearly every battle and/or war involving one or more European factions since the Battle of the Milvian Bridge.
@@piedpiper1172 hate to be that guy but in Greek mythology there's no difference in type between titans and gods. They're just terms used to delineate the early generations of deities. They all descend from Gaia and Ouranos.
@@markthompson-st6hg Except Zeus seized godhead (that is, the actual essence of divinity, power, and authority) from his father-just as he had seized it from Ouranos. Their bodies are capable of being gods-that is, actively wielding godhead-but are not in possession of it at the time of their suffering. By the end of Titanomachy, the titans are no longer godly holders of divine power, authority, or dignity. Even in the most generous accounts where Zeus eventually releases them, he does so because his power is unassailable by them. Prometheus-though his body is capable of holding it-does not possess godhead/godly dignity when suffering, nor do any of the punished titans. Depending on which particular side of Christian internecine warfare one wishes to endorse, this would also be true of J-dog upon the cross. Though capable of wielding godhead, whilst upon the earth as a human, he did not possess it (in this case it is voluntarily left to god the father and, if you picked a sect which endorses the idea, god the spirit). Of course, given Zeus’ rampant paranoia concerning uppity humans, one could suspect that *we* are also capable of wielding godhead, if we could but seize it. That capacity, whilst unfulfilled, does not make us gods-just as the titans once deposed were not.
I think Alpha Primus is a much more compelling and likable 'Kaldor Draigo' Maybe even might be the 'master chief' of the Astartes, if GW is up for that, i think its really fitting to have a gray colored non marking marine as the most powerful astartes
I might have a bit crazy idea 🙃 As primarchs had parts of the Emperor as „gifts”. Maybe by combining all the gifts, you could say parts of souls of the primarchs, Cawl have somehow recreated, at least a part of, Big E soul? That could be why Primus feels pain, why he should not. That could be a part of how Big E suffers on Golden Throne. Could also be connected to why his soul wants to leave while traveking through the warp… Crazy? 😂
Also the part in which he states the Emperor could not be a god since he Is in perpetual pain mirrors a bit how the Emperor denied His own Divinity AND identified himself More with humanity.
3:42 "You would think you have betrayed me - you will not, in the end." This is the crux of wh40k, all and everything that happens is on the behest of the emperor while he toils to augment and weaponize humanity, by absorbing the tyranids. He does so as to make humanity worthy of the challenges to come in the wake of the the tyranid demise.
The tyranids are quite handy for the 40k authors, cause nobody knows how many Tyranids are actually out there. Hence the story can be written in whatever way the writers desire it. Maybe all known Nids are just a small scout party, OR they are the best the Hivemind in able to throw at the galaxy... or they are what remains after fleeing from another Galaxy after losing the war against an even greater horror that is hunting them into extinction? The point is: we don't know. And i'm pretty sure we don't want to find out.
@@SandmanofTerra I think even Fabius Bile realizes his own flaws, as he broke with even the atheism of the old imperial truth. He sees himself as tainted and so he hopes his new men can overtake him and do better where he failed, especially in the respect that even he could not resist chaos forever.
@@SandmanofTerra Well, I've read the trilogy, and I'm of the opinion that he ain't that bad. Though I don't know why such a pragmatical individual chooses to wear a skin coat. Leftover from the old lore, I guess. And Cawl opens child skulls when fully conscious and brings his best friend through a cycle of perpetual death. I really wish Cawl would see more eye to eye with Bile. Reach an understanding. I want them to work together in mutual acknowledgement so bad...
I bet the Emperor is forging Primus soul, while Cawl is forging a mortal body to contain him. So the Emperor needed Cawl to make his 21th son, basically a Primaris Primarch
The emperor contacts primus in a vision in the bile/ cawl book and he’s grossed out by primus. He’s not a primarch. Just a super space marine with a lot of Magnus in him and some other primarchs. Halfway between. I means it’s stated in the book. A lot of speculation in the comments because they haven’t read it
@maxaudet5177 Emperor:"Roboute, I'll no longer require your body to become my avatar for I have forged a new body." Gman:"Fine by me." Emperor:"What? You don't have any hard feelings, not jealousy?" Gman:"Nah I'm good, as a matter of fact, I pity the poor bastard who's gonna have to carry you, you are the emperor but you're also a shitty father you know?" Emperor:"On second thought, maybe I'll stay here a little bit longer" Gman:"Fuck you!"
The overpowered abilities of Primus make him easy to dismiss as uninteresting or contrived, diminishing his relatability. However, his tragic backstory and limitations do the opposite. IMO he was written well and I'm curious to read more about him. I liked how he helped to elucidate the commonalities between Fabius and Belesarius and he has allot of potential in schemes to come.
One of the implications of Alpha Primus, his abilities and nature of… construction, is that he is a composite capable of hosting the Emperor in some way, whether completely or as an avatar (or possibly as a a stand in for the throne, though I imagine that is a foregone notion of playing musical chairs).
I have a feeling that he had 11 brothers who were cut up by the old man in the same way and finally patched together with him. Maybe a steep idea, but I find it interesting.
Imagine how disappointing it would be if Primus is only exactly what he say he's, despite bile and Cawl talking that he doesnt know for sure. Afterall hes a multiple milennia being with incredible power. In the end it appeals as a Frankenstein monster to me.
I believe Alpha Primus to be more than a custodian. Edit: also I don't think Bile would be so amazed if it was just a space marine of all gene seeds. He has to be something much more. Most likely similar to a primarch.
Alpha Primus has so much portential to be so many different things. Could he be an attempt at an Emperor Clone? What if body (dead or alive) used is Alpharius or Omegon? How much influence does Cawl's genetic information play into Alpha Primus's purpose? What is his connection to the Emperor, why are the Chaos gods interested in him? So much more I want to delved into learning about this guy and glad to see another video talking on him. So much better than anything I could come up with! Can't wait to see what they do with him.
All primarchs are from the emperors gene i believe correct? So seeing 20 marines in grey in the mirror would be like 20 primarchs? To me alpha is a attempt to clone the emperor himself because he would have some of the emperors DNA. The clone isn't perfect but a success nonetheless i think.
Holy shit. WHAT IF Primus is the body the Emperor needs to get in to one day being as strong but unstable as it is. Cawl having soul merged, warp hurting Primus? It all adds up.
i keep coming back on this stream . every time i hear something i missed the previous time . i have shared this many times to all my friends . Alphs primus is the most interesting space marine right now
Im pretty confident that cawl is gna resurect Johnny Space into Rubberman ghillie suites body ONLY AFTER alpha primus subdues rubberboot gimp suit and cawl does the same or better modifications to him and primes him for the emporors resurection.......why else would Big E call rouberte* his last tool, his last....hope
Primus would make the PERFECT host for the god emperor reborn. Maybe the ONLY possible host. If every primarch contained an aspect of the emperor then were h🎉e to die primus would have everything he needs to be the perfect biological and spiritual host for the emporer. Primus and/or Caul might also even already have that part of the Emperors soul - hope, empathy, love - that he divested himself of when he chose to not become a god before he ascended to face Horus . The love and hope Caul expressed to Bile about Primarus being his son, and given Caul's ability to aquire and integrate other minds into himself, makes me strongly suspect one of those minds may indeed be that part of his spirit the Emperor removed and cast off to the stars. That said, Another fascinating and highly enjoyable vid! Happy new year. 🥳🤘
Hey just wanna say I love your videos you explain everything so great deff my fav Warhammer narrator please make more videos of the lion and Gillman and all things upcoming
Great video! I have a homebrew Primaris Chapter called the Dread Lords and over Facebook and Instagram I’ve gone in-depth on their lore over the last few years as well as physically building and painting two full Battle Companies for the tabletop. My lore for the Dread Lords is that they are officially listed as a Raven Guard but Cawl secretly created them from Konrad Curze’s geneseed. Basically Sons of the Phoenix but Night Lords.
Yeah, but Cawl isn't exactly known for his forthrightness and unbridled honesty, either. If he believes it will benefit the Imperium that is what he is going to do.
Technically there was an infinite number of warp entities that are unrelated to chaos they could be imbued with. The only reason we see so much chaos from the warp is basically because it does in its realm what they do in ours expand, invade, and kill everything. So while never stated to be the level of a warp God any entities in the warp still alive after the birth of slannesh would have to be considerably powerful.
Alpha Primus is the big E. This is his failsafe. A new body, created of the pieces his took out of his former self to create his sons. Perhaps he doesn t remember for whatever reason, who his former, part-self was.
Many of the pictures of Caul, including many of the most reused artwork, remind me of a Platypus. Rather than hanging down, the artwork gives the impression that his rebreather is as a duck bill, jutting straight out like a Platypus.
at his premise, being the perfect space marine makes him sound like matt ward's wet dream, but it seems primus was well thought out by a less self-gratifying author and refined into a flawed and fateful character for the setting's future, enough to draw the attention and investment of both the chaos gods and the emperor very quickly. the future of the 41st millenium is looking neat. though I want to see those chaos superdudes and new men in plastic!
I know that this video is mainly about Primus, but it made me a huge fan of Fabius Bile now. He doesn't have the resources from the Imperium and the Mechanicus like Archmagos Cawl has, but he is still a topnotch if not the best genecrafter. He has made a specimen that is around the same level as Primus. I don't know much about Porter, but it sounds like she has the Pariah gene and makes her effectively the opposite of Primus. Not to mention that Bile hasn't given into the Ruinous Powers and straight up says "Nope" to Slaanesh. He is a man of science to the point it hurts daemons. His will to survive just to pursue more knowledge is remarkable and he somehow got to learn from the Drukhari. Sure, his methods are VERY inhumane, but he makes very good progress despite the lack of resources and having alot of enemies. Oh, and happy New Year everyone may the new year bring you fortune and happiness!
In a way Bile has access to a hell of a lot more resources than Cawl has in the imperium. Remember that Bile was from the great crusade era, and their tech was a damn sight more advanced then current day Imperium. It’s the access to unaltered traitor, loyalist, and perhaps more importantly the Big E’s genetic code he didn’t have.
i dont know how old the books are that you are referencing but im glad the Dune callbacks are still a thing. I recon the timeline is about to enter the scattering portion of Dune.
Alpha Primus is probably the body the Emperor is supposed to possess. Sound alike their souls are connected "Every second of my life is pain"....the Emperor has been feeling pain for the past 10k years. If Primus has been awake this entire time then he must be a perpetual as well. Because the second oldest Space Marine is Dante and he is a 10th of Primus' age and even Dante looks old whereas Primus does not.
The oldest space marine is probably astelan in 40k. He’s one of the first space marines as he served the emperor himself before the primer he were found and he’s still alive in 40k as a fallen.
I like the idea that Alpha Primus could be an amalgamation of all gene seed so that when he comes face to face with any space marine or primarch loyalist or traitor he has common ground to work with, it adds to Belisarius’ mystique or is he isn’t he a heretec or is he out for himself just playing all the bases
I get the feeling Primus was also an attempt to recreate another Emperor, since he has gifts from all of the primarchs which themselves are parts of the emperor It wouldn't surprise me if the reason he feels pain all the time is because he and the emperor are linked or a piece of the emperor's soul is what holds primus together
I feel sorry that Primus has so much loathing for Cawl, without realising how much his maker cares about him. Also, I need Cawl and Bile to find a common ground and work together, I NEED IT... I love them both so much
Poor man is in constant agony because he's bursting fatally with emotion, and his estranged psychic father figure is a void god who he only sees when his soul is in peril. I kinda forget just how hard the poor guy's existence sucks, sometimes.
A thought, what if it isn't Magnus in him? Think about this. The Emperor had back ups of most his sons but not all. You could see Lorgar doing Gillian's word maybe not quite the same way but he could. Vulkan and Perturabo, Conrad and Corvus, you get the idea. There's two that I can think of that didn't have a back up. Magnus and Angron. So would it not stand to reason the missing two are the back ups for his psychic needs and his empathetic needs? My thoughts are as follows Alpha Primus feels the pain of the failures and has powerful psychic abilities because he is made of both the missing Primarchs, I mean that or he's just Magnus and Angron
Horus inadvertently killed the infant brother destined to be the 11th primarch by stress-gripping and damaging the incubation machine his little brother was contained in, didn't he? It seemed like a vision of the past but he was there registering as a threat that the Custodians responded to. Right? Please let me know.
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And you, hope 2024 is a good one
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Get back to me about Primarch 0, please. He is all the Primarchs in one. We can collaborate.
Perhaps Alpha Primus isn't made wrong but instead its soul is poorly attached so that when the time comes it's easier for another soul, one that's been without a body for about 10,000 years, to inhabit its body.
I think the part of the emperor that was in the warp attached itself to the being know as Mephiston. He might have the most gifts overall but he can't match the psychic potential of Mephiston, not even Magnus can who is bound to the literal god of sorcery. This was the part of the emperor that was cast off to fight Horus. He literally died to get this power and this entity does not know what it is. This is just a shard of the emperor mind you, it might not even be the full sum of the emperor's power in the warp. Not saying that a larger fragment doesn't still exist that either one can become possessed by. This idea makes the most sense to me. As far as being created to be a powerful space marine I suppose he is the best in that regards, but Mephiston kinda proves that this potential exists within more space Marines than one might think. Let's face it once you're a top tier psycher, every other power becomes kinda meaningless since a psycher of that might can mimic any power.
Never thought of it that way. It'd make so much sense that way.
@@DeathBYDesign666hold up. Mephiston is bound to the new star child fragment of big E? The life and the death part 2 didnt say the star child shard bound to him did it? Only that big E broke his soul in 2
This man is cooking rn 👀
I think that his soul doesn't sit proprerly because Belasarius is still alive. He was always power hungry, so why not give his soul a op vessel?
The ability to use excel spreadsheets is a pathway to many abilities, some considered to be unnatural
static Vlookup is path to the Herecy.
Static Vlookup leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
use cell references instead of hardcoding values in the formula as The Father Emperor intended.
We’ll be expecting those TPS reports in the morning
Somehow.....the sandman has returned
Hilarious
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“And roubute… is the ultimate excel power user.” The dramatic music did it for me.
What good is a single Soldier or General when you can give Factionwide Buffs to your Economy?
To be fair, war doesn't pay foe itself. Hahaha
Yet it’s prolly the most useful superpower compared to all the primarchs.
Honestly, i just hope Alpha Primus continues being what he is: A grumpy Frankenstein monster that is a constant reminder to Cawl that he can cause suffering despite his good intentions. I dont want Primus to suddenly become some massive, important plot point. No primarch, no star child, no nothing. Just Grumpenstein who occasionally does some absolutely baller stuff.
He’s dead though
lol he's not dead, where did you get that from? Read Genefather@@blindhamsterman1
@@blindhamsterman1 hes still alive at the end of Genefather.
eh? where?@@blindhamsterman1
@@blindhamsterman1 he isn't dead, very much alive
>no sould
>equalitarian
>everybody instinctively knows their place
>not touched by the Warp
Bile is creating human tyranids
...oh my...
I’m inclined to think that Bile indeed is working towards the same goal as Cawl, ironically Bile is closer to developing a super-blank of sorts
"The archmagos is not to be trusted."
Okay tell us something we don't know lmao
Ok never but never put pineapple with chicken!!😊
@@stephenconnell Pineapple chicken is good, wtf are you on about.
I think Alpha Primus would be a cool character for the Ad Mech. They need more named characters.
An Mech HQ with Space Marine Chapter Master Stats. That'd be cool, maybe like an Ironhands Marine.
Been saying this for years!
The ADmech army is severely bare and yet they have SO MANY CHARACTERS
Oh man that's a great idea
I always like how robot girlyman's powers are paper work while corvus can ninja vanish and the others get crazy other abilities.
Tbf, Robert Gherkin's biggest power was having a loving mother
Lionel said Gulliman's true power is multitasking. He can run a hundred projects at the same time and still remember the progress of each project.
Logistics win wars...
Above all other things, Logistics gets it there and gets it done. Without a plan, there is just unguided flesh smashing against each other...
Nah, Big Blue gets my respect. Every professional knows logistics win wars!
I do like how the Bile is portraited here. It would be really interesting plot twist if the scourge of the warp (human race that can not be tainted by warp) came out from his experiments.
Hve to say that you, Amber king and the venerable Baldemort have fantastic voices when it comes to breathing life into these tales and stories!
Really the easiest to listen to in my opinion.
Word.
The three of them collaborating at some point?
Don’t forget warrior tier
Vox in the Void sits atop that mountain.
I’ve always liked that Cawl sorta believes Primus is his child. Which to a degree, he is. He even admits Primus has some of Cawl’s dna.
Even in Genefather, Cawl is relieved Primus survived the attack.
He’s Frankenstein’s monster, but if Victor kept him and never threw him out.
nah noway
even Cawl himself is a better father than the emperor
i just realized Primus technically has 21 dads (Cawl and all the primarchs) 1 grandfather (big E) 1 grandmother (Erda)
This is the thing that has always annoyed me about this is that they should have known that the emperor would want them to advance their tech and surely cawl could get his mind read and they would see that he has the permission of the emperor, it seems stupid that they finally give the imperium some hope for them to then take it away almost immediately by giving it all to bile
Tech enhancement is still a no no under the tenets of Mars. Doesnt matter what big e wants,big e is stuck on the throne,the priesthood isn't.
They didn't give it away to Bile. Bile acquired the data in the form of gene seed, but that genetic and technological information is still present in Primus.
Cawl has memory corruption issues
Guilliman permissions for sure but who else can confirm big E. Valdor hasn’t returned
Btw wild theory, will primus be the host to the star child soul fragment? It would explain the soul not fitting
@@GotrekGurnisson isn't the current theory that the star child host is whatever valdor is working on?
Primus is probably just a bodyguard/surrogate son, Cawliflower man's very own Valdor, or Lionel, depending on his mood for the day.
Read between the lines. Pimaris are an excuse to replace the most bought models with new ones. Now there is a lore excuse to replace chaos space Marines in a few years. The new lore is written to fit the money grab, not the other way around.
Alpha primus is right now the most interesting space marine for me. by far
I just love that you covered the fact of Cawl being more than just one person. Not a lot of light shone on that fact. Great video!
Something between a collective mind and a singular mind.
While Cawl absorbed many minds over his long life he still is the dominant mind. Which is further complicated by the fact that he switch between different personalities if needed and even make subordinate copies of himself whose memories he later re-absorbs. And he can externally store his knowledge, which i guess came quite handy for the mind-wipes he was forced to undergo for past transgressions.
Apart from Big E he propably has the most... complicated mind in all of humanity.
@@Nickname-ef9tv Its a hive mind, cawl is the oracle, that speaks for it, he is closer to becoming a speaker for the omnisiah
"Gods do not suffer."
Tell that to Prometheus. There was also this one pretty well documented event at Golgotha about 2000 years ago. You may have heard of it.
Oh that's where No 1 accidentky sent the Death toilet backward 16:43 s in time and met Christ who told him, your a poor suffering bastard aren't you?
Not well documented at all. Can't even find record of a Jesus born in birth records from the time period.
The Roman apollo cult x Persian mysteries and Hellenistic Judaism. The rest is cooked up a century or so later by cultists.
Prometheus is a Titan, not a god.
Also, J-dog very, very, very specifically and importantly was supposed to be human at the time. The exact nature of his transition to/from and/or status as a god at the moment of those events has been the cause of some minor but persistent debate.
See also: nearly every battle and/or war involving one or more European factions since the Battle of the Milvian Bridge.
@@piedpiper1172 hate to be that guy but in Greek mythology there's no difference in type between titans and gods. They're just terms used to delineate the early generations of deities.
They all descend from Gaia and Ouranos.
@@markthompson-st6hg Except Zeus seized godhead (that is, the actual essence of divinity, power, and authority) from his father-just as he had seized it from Ouranos. Their bodies are capable of being gods-that is, actively wielding godhead-but are not in possession of it at the time of their suffering.
By the end of Titanomachy, the titans are no longer godly holders of divine power, authority, or dignity.
Even in the most generous accounts where Zeus eventually releases them, he does so because his power is unassailable by them.
Prometheus-though his body is capable of holding it-does not possess godhead/godly dignity when suffering, nor do any of the punished titans.
Depending on which particular side of Christian internecine warfare one wishes to endorse, this would also be true of J-dog upon the cross. Though capable of wielding godhead, whilst upon the earth as a human, he did not possess it (in this case it is voluntarily left to god the father and, if you picked a sect which endorses the idea, god the spirit).
Of course, given Zeus’ rampant paranoia concerning uppity humans, one could suspect that *we* are also capable of wielding godhead, if we could but seize it. That capacity, whilst unfulfilled, does not make us gods-just as the titans once deposed were not.
I think Alpha Primus is a much more compelling and likable 'Kaldor Draigo'
Maybe even might be the 'master chief' of the Astartes, if GW is up for that, i think its really fitting to have a gray colored non marking marine as the most powerful astartes
It would make sense for video games in the future and set you on a "Chaotic Neutral" default setting.
I might have a bit crazy idea 🙃 As primarchs had parts of the Emperor as „gifts”. Maybe by combining all the gifts, you could say parts of souls of the primarchs, Cawl have somehow recreated, at least a part of, Big E soul? That could be why Primus feels pain, why he should not. That could be a part of how Big E suffers on Golden Throne. Could also be connected to why his soul wants to leave while traveking through the warp… Crazy? 😂
This is a fantastic theory 👏
Also the part in which he states the Emperor could not be a god since he Is in perpetual pain mirrors a bit how the Emperor denied His own Divinity AND identified himself More with humanity.
exactly what I thought @michaelnapora9155
3:42 "You would think you have betrayed me - you will not, in the end."
This is the crux of wh40k, all and everything that happens is on the behest of the emperor while he toils to augment and weaponize humanity, by absorbing the tyranids.
He does so as to make humanity worthy of the challenges to come in the wake of the the tyranid demise.
The tyranids are quite handy for the 40k authors, cause nobody knows how many Tyranids are actually out there.
Hence the story can be written in whatever way the writers desire it. Maybe all known Nids are just a small scout party, OR they are the best the Hivemind in able to throw at the galaxy... or they are what remains after fleeing from another Galaxy after losing the war against an even greater horror that is hunting them into extinction?
The point is: we don't know. And i'm pretty sure we don't want to find out.
24:50 This feels rather rich coming from a guy wearing a human skin wrap over his power armour.
Yeah it's a bit late to pull the "I'm actually the good guy act"
Yeah hearing these good intentions coming from a guy who has the title of "Manflayer" does make them seem rather hollow lmao
@@SandmanofTerra I think even Fabius Bile realizes his own flaws, as he broke with even the atheism of the old imperial truth. He sees himself as tainted and so he hopes his new men can overtake him and do better where he failed, especially in the respect that even he could not resist chaos forever.
@@SandmanofTerra Well, I've read the trilogy, and I'm of the opinion that he ain't that bad. Though I don't know why such a pragmatical individual chooses to wear a skin coat. Leftover from the old lore, I guess. And Cawl opens child skulls when fully conscious and brings his best friend through a cycle of perpetual death. I really wish Cawl would see more eye to eye with Bile. Reach an understanding. I want them to work together in mutual acknowledgement so bad...
I bet the Emperor is forging Primus soul, while Cawl is forging a mortal body to contain him.
So the Emperor needed Cawl to make his 21th son, basically a Primaris Primarch
Twentyoneth
Or simply to make him a new body, Alpha could very well "merge" with the Emperor
The emperor contacts primus in a vision in the bile/ cawl book and he’s grossed out by primus. He’s not a primarch. Just a super space marine with a lot of Magnus in him and some other primarchs. Halfway between. I means it’s stated in the book. A lot of speculation in the comments because they haven’t read it
If they can build a body that can hold a Primarch amalgam, they can build a body that can hous the Emperor
@maxaudet5177
Emperor:"Roboute, I'll no longer require your body to become my avatar for I have forged a new body."
Gman:"Fine by me."
Emperor:"What? You don't have any hard feelings, not jealousy?"
Gman:"Nah I'm good, as a matter of fact, I pity the poor bastard who's gonna have to carry you, you are the emperor but you're also a shitty father you know?"
Emperor:"On second thought, maybe I'll stay here a little bit longer"
Gman:"Fuck you!"
The overpowered abilities of Primus make him easy to dismiss as uninteresting or contrived, diminishing his relatability.
However, his tragic backstory and limitations do the opposite. IMO he was written well and I'm curious to read more about him.
I liked how he helped to elucidate the commonalities between Fabius and Belesarius and he has allot of potential in schemes to come.
One of the implications of Alpha Primus, his abilities and nature of… construction, is that he is a composite capable of hosting the Emperor in some way, whether completely or as an avatar (or possibly as a a stand in for the throne, though I imagine that is a foregone notion of playing musical chairs).
I'm always stoked for a new sandman vid best lore channel there is
Thanks man!
Just found your channel and really enjoy your videos. I especially like how you cite sources on-screen
Welcome aboard!
huge "forge of mars" trilogy flashback. techpriests clone themselves and sometimes end up developing affection for their offspring by accident.
I have a feeling that he had 11 brothers who were cut up by the old man in the same way and finally patched together with him. Maybe a steep idea, but I find it interesting.
As disturbing as that idea is I wouldn’t put it past Cawl 😭
19 more likely. In the Great Work Felix sees 20 space marines instead of Alphas reflection
Imagine how disappointing it would be if Primus is only exactly what he say he's, despite bile and Cawl talking that he doesnt know for sure. Afterall hes a multiple milennia being with incredible power. In the end it appeals as a Frankenstein monster to me.
Seems like Alpha Primus is Cawl’s own thunder warrior 2.0, which I’m all down for 😎
I think definitely Angron empathy and can feel the emperors pain
I believe Alpha Primus to be more than a custodian.
Edit: also I don't think Bile would be so amazed if it was just a space marine of all gene seeds. He has to be something much more. Most likely similar to a primarch.
Maybe a clone of the Emperor himself ?
Cawl must have shat himself when Big E talked to him from the fucking past lol
I was always interested in how Bile goal was to make Human free of the warp. To save the human race even thought he is a choas marine
Sousou no Frieren has a similar "message from the past" moment from someone who knows the future.
It's a neat trick.
Cawl is the Emperor's Wild Card in the great game between him and Chaos.
Cawl has to be my favorite character outside of Gulliman and Big E
Alpha Primus has so much portential to be so many different things.
Could he be an attempt at an Emperor Clone? What if body (dead or alive) used is Alpharius or Omegon?
How much influence does Cawl's genetic information play into Alpha Primus's purpose?
What is his connection to the Emperor, why are the Chaos gods interested in him?
So much more I want to delved into learning about this guy and glad to see another video talking on him. So much better than anything I could come up with!
Can't wait to see what they do with him.
All primarchs are from the emperors gene i believe correct? So seeing 20 marines in grey in the mirror would be like 20 primarchs? To me alpha is a attempt to clone the emperor himself because he would have some of the emperors DNA. The clone isn't perfect but a success nonetheless i think.
"I am the one"
perfect way to start the new year
Slowly becoming one of my top wrhammer channels I like to listen to. Keep up the good work
Holy shit.
WHAT IF Primus is the body the Emperor needs to get in to one day being as strong but unstable as it is.
Cawl having soul merged, warp hurting Primus?
It all adds up.
Honestly your vocally MADE for this gig...my man's got a voice that could melt butter....🗣️🔥🧈
First time i see one of your vids, cool storytelling ! Helps me immerse myself with the new lore !
Glad you enjoy it!
i keep coming back on this stream . every time i hear something i missed the previous time . i have shared this many times to all my friends . Alphs primus is the most interesting space marine right now
Robute Guileman is a pencil pusher
The idea of the New Men as described by Bile here sounds like it'd be a nice addition to the Tau Empire.
Imagine that the Emperor in the end is planning for Cawl to forge a new body for the Leader of Mankind.
Im pretty confident that cawl is gna resurect Johnny Space into Rubberman ghillie suites body ONLY AFTER alpha primus subdues rubberboot gimp suit and cawl does the same or better modifications to him and primes him for the emporors resurection.......why else would Big E call rouberte* his last tool, his last....hope
Alpha Primus being battered by the Chaos Gods: “LEAVE ME ALONE *chime* GAAAHHH”
Big E: “HERE THIS FREEDOM RAHHHHHH🦅🦅”
The hate Primus has for warp travel is how I feel about automated trains.
Primus would make the PERFECT host for the god emperor reborn. Maybe the ONLY possible host. If every primarch contained an aspect of the emperor then were h🎉e to die primus would have everything he needs to be the perfect biological and spiritual host for the emporer. Primus and/or Caul might also even already have that part of the Emperors soul - hope, empathy, love - that he divested himself of when he chose to not become a god before he ascended to face Horus . The love and hope Caul expressed to Bile about Primarus being his son, and given Caul's ability to aquire and integrate other minds into himself, makes me strongly suspect one of those minds may indeed be that part of his spirit the Emperor removed and cast off to the stars.
That said, Another fascinating and highly enjoyable vid!
Happy new year. 🥳🤘
Yeah I agree he'll be the Emperor's new body / avatar
Hey just wanna say I love your videos you explain everything so great deff my fav Warhammer narrator please make more videos of the lion and Gillman and all things upcoming
Thanks! WIll do!
Great video! I have a homebrew Primaris Chapter called the Dread Lords and over Facebook and Instagram I’ve gone in-depth on their lore over the last few years as well as physically building and painting two full Battle Companies for the tabletop. My lore for the Dread Lords is that they are officially listed as a Raven Guard but Cawl secretly created them from Konrad Curze’s geneseed. Basically Sons of the Phoenix but Night Lords.
So Cawl has geneseed from the Lost Primarchs? That means he can create Space Marines with it
He could do! And he did ask Guilliman about using traitor Geneseed but big blue said no.
Party pooper!
Yeah, but Cawl isn't exactly known for his forthrightness and unbridled honesty, either. If he believes it will benefit the Imperium that is what he is going to do.
He definitely needs to bring back the most lethal legion...the luna wolves
@@thedevourer.you are definitely and undercover Horus dawg
@@CASA-dy4vs before his fall horus and the luna wolves were amazing
Primarchs are indeed will always be touched by the warp since they are made of the warp by having warp gods in them.
That's a fan theory btw
Technically there was an infinite number of warp entities that are unrelated to chaos they could be imbued with. The only reason we see so much chaos from the warp is basically because it does in its realm what they do in ours expand, invade, and kill everything. So while never stated to be the level of a warp God any entities in the warp still alive after the birth of slannesh would have to be considerably powerful.
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Your voice is perfect for voice reads especially of warhammer content keep up the great work man
Alpha Primus is the big E. This is his failsafe. A new body, created of the pieces his took out of his former self to create his sons. Perhaps he doesn t remember for whatever reason, who his former, part-self was.
I'm thinking the star child might be integrated or something. Perhaps he'll be able to swap places on the throne.
Great video to end de year, love to learn new things about the lore, since im quite new to the hobby myself
Was just thinking of this. Think about Primarch 0.
Primarch 0 is all the sons in one.
Valdor? The big E went to insane lengths to get him.
@shanepatrick4534 Not Valdor. The Original Angel that went crazy. Yes, Big E tried to destroy him but Malcador saved him and hid him.
Many of the pictures of Caul, including many of the most reused artwork, remind me of a Platypus. Rather than hanging down, the artwork gives the impression that his rebreather is as a duck bill, jutting straight out like a Platypus.
Happy New Year Sandman and fans
You too brother
From everything I've heard, Primus is comparable to Constantine Valdor.
And boy would I love to see that interaction 👀
Great episode mate
-Fabulous Bill- Fabius Bile is a fascinating character too...
Stumbled on this video by accident….in reality the Emperor guided me!!
Welcome!
Fascinating lore with these two characters
at his premise, being the perfect space marine makes him sound like matt ward's wet dream, but it seems primus was well thought out by a less self-gratifying author and refined into a flawed and fateful character for the setting's future, enough to draw the attention and investment of both the chaos gods and the emperor very quickly.
the future of the 41st millenium is looking neat.
though I want to see those chaos superdudes and new men in plastic!
Just found your channel. Your voice as a narrator for this content is amazing. Love it.
Glad you enjoy it!
In My head cannon one of the 2 missing legions primarchs was a blank, this may also be why Alpha’s soul doesn’t “sit well” within him.
Not even remotely possible
@@thedevourer.Source?
@domri-6582 the entire lore around ALL the primarchs shows they all have a strong psychic connection, their souls shine brightest of all.
@@thedevourer. Yeah that's not a source tho. No reason one of the lost primarchs couldn't be a blank.
@domri-6582 except for the fact gene seed is psychic in nature, and thus none of the astartes can be blanks either.
I know that this video is mainly about Primus, but it made me a huge fan of Fabius Bile now. He doesn't have the resources from the Imperium and the Mechanicus like Archmagos Cawl has, but he is still a topnotch if not the best genecrafter. He has made a specimen that is around the same level as Primus. I don't know much about Porter, but it sounds like she has the Pariah gene and makes her effectively the opposite of Primus. Not to mention that Bile hasn't given into the Ruinous Powers and straight up says "Nope" to Slaanesh. He is a man of science to the point it hurts daemons. His will to survive just to pursue more knowledge is remarkable and he somehow got to learn from the Drukhari. Sure, his methods are VERY inhumane, but he makes very good progress despite the lack of resources and having alot of enemies. Oh, and happy New Year everyone may the new year bring you fortune and happiness!
In a way Bile has access to a hell of a lot more resources than Cawl has in the imperium. Remember that Bile was from the great crusade era, and their tech was a damn sight more advanced then current day Imperium. It’s the access to unaltered traitor, loyalist, and perhaps more importantly the Big E’s genetic code he didn’t have.
He has plot armor and convenience, more powerful than anything in the galaxy.
I really appreciate you're different voices bro! Keep it up!
"Gods do not suffer"
Necrons: get a load of this shit! aight?! XD
It was so cool when Alpha Primus revealed he was Alpharius Prime all along
And then he says, "I will unlock All 40,000 warhammers!"
Remove the P and m, what do you get? Alpha _ri_us
Magnus the Red has incredible psychic talent.
And nipple horns, don't forget the nipple horns!
Do you think Primus will be the host of the Star child soul fragment? It would explain the soul not fitting
Also he’s clearly a custode attempt
The star child will be a kid, and custodes can only be made from infants and don't use gene seed
Ultimate spreadsheet user. I like that.
Finally you brought up this man to light... it only took 1 story to make me a fan of Alpha Primus.
i dont know how old the books are that you are referencing but im glad the Dune callbacks are still a thing. I recon the timeline is about to enter the scattering portion of Dune.
Alpha Primus is probably the body the Emperor is supposed to possess. Sound alike their souls are connected "Every second of my life is pain"....the Emperor has been feeling pain for the past 10k years. If Primus has been awake this entire time then he must be a perpetual as well. Because the second oldest Space Marine is Dante and he is a 10th of Primus' age and even Dante looks old whereas Primus does not.
Yeah pretty sure Alpha Primus is supposed to be the Emperor's next avatar of sorts
13:03 honestly sounds like he needs a training arc
Very interesting. I liked it a lot. Thanks for making this
Glad you enjoyed it!
thank you soo much for putting source material FINALLY SOMEONE LISTENS TO THE COMMENT!!
Great voice a very rich and full bodied tone. An excellent narrator.
Cawl: a better dad than big E XD
Never played Warhammer, but the more lore I listen to; I realize some of my really bad mushroom/acid trips weren’t as far out as I imagined.
The oldest space marine is probably astelan in 40k. He’s one of the first space marines as he served the emperor himself before the primer he were found and he’s still alive in 40k as a fallen.
this is a crazy universe. 40 millennia. unimaginable
“Angron’s Empathy” I caught that.😂
he is probably a Primarch without the warp infusion
I like the idea that Alpha Primus could be an amalgamation of all gene seed so that when he comes face to face with any space marine or primarch loyalist or traitor he has common ground to work with, it adds to Belisarius’ mystique or is he isn’t he a heretec or is he out for himself just playing all the bases
Love ur style brother. Keep it up. You have something special.
I appreciate that!
Extremely nice animation and storytelling was great.
I get the feeling Primus was also an attempt to recreate another Emperor, since he has gifts from all of the primarchs which themselves are parts of the emperor
It wouldn't surprise me if the reason he feels pain all the time is because he and the emperor are linked or a piece of the emperor's soul is what holds primus together
I feel sorry that Primus has so much loathing for Cawl, without realising how much his maker cares about him.
Also, I need Cawl and Bile to find a common ground and work together, I NEED IT... I love them both so much
Guillimans skill with macros is unparalleled
Poor man is in constant agony because he's bursting fatally with emotion, and his estranged psychic father figure is a void god who he only sees when his soul is in peril.
I kinda forget just how hard the poor guy's existence sucks, sometimes.
A thought, what if it isn't Magnus in him? Think about this. The Emperor had back ups of most his sons but not all. You could see Lorgar doing Gillian's word maybe not quite the same way but he could. Vulkan and Perturabo, Conrad and Corvus, you get the idea.
There's two that I can think of that didn't have a back up. Magnus and Angron. So would it not stand to reason the missing two are the back ups for his psychic needs and his empathetic needs?
My thoughts are as follows Alpha Primus feels the pain of the failures and has powerful psychic abilities because he is made of both the missing Primarchs, I mean that or he's just Magnus and Angron
Horus inadvertently killed the infant brother destined to be the 11th primarch by stress-gripping and damaging the incubation machine his little brother was contained in, didn't he? It seemed like a vision of the past but he was there registering as a threat that the Custodians responded to. Right? Please let me know.
What an awesome comprehensive voice and diction
Fabius looking at alpha primus unconscious.
'Nah you passed the vibe check'
"fortunately, Belisarius Cawl is such a child"....best line yet.