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Weird Mormon Doctrine is BACK!
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2023
- Russell M. Nelson seems to have just revived the doctrine known at various points as the TK Smoothie, the Telestial Ken Doll, or the Phallus Doctrine.
Let me know if you think he has brought it back!
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When I was a teen in the church (70s) it was all about eternal progression, no worries, no fears. Lots of God’s love for us, and the atoning power of Jesus Christ.
Back then, it was a gospel of hope.
What do you think changed?
I’m not sure how I’m meant to understand that question…. Since I just listed 3-5 things that were different back then compared to this brief clip. Did you want me to add to the list or take a stab at guessing why it has changed.
@jane. IT IS ALL ABOUT, "Do we get to keep on trucking"? Always. was.
How did you get that from what he said? The idea of being resurrected with different glories of bodies has always been a doctrine and has always been taught.
The whole word "telestial" was conjured up by Joseph Smith and can be found only in his Bible translation. It can't be found in any of the original manuscripts from which the letter to Corinthians was translated from. If you look up JSV of 1. Corinthians 15:40 it reads “Also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial, and bodies telestial; but the glory of the celestial, one; and the terrestrial, another; and the telestial, another.”
Compare it to KJV 1. Cor. 15:40 “There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.”
Joseph had to come up with a new word, in order to introduce new doctrine that came along with it.
Those open minded or curious enough, please check out Mike Wingers video “How Joseph Smith Tried to Write Himself Into the Bible”
I realize this is opening a can of worms, but I disagree with your statement. The doctrine he is referring to is what’s commonly referred as “the three degrees of glory”. Celestial, terrestrial, and telestial. Celestial with god and father and all that they have. The other two not so much. Nobody, including him, knows where we are going, that’s up to God to decide, but we know that trying to live the commandments and be like Jesus is the way to get there.
Now as a member, I don’t see this as any kind of “telestial Ken Doll” talk. But you can’t be in any of the kingdoms without that same level of “glory”, “body”, “etc”.
That being said, if anybody has a question (I skimmed the surface like a water boatman) the I would be happy to elaborate. But as a member, I just don’t see where this statement or interpretation is coming from and would respectfully disagree
The whole word "telestial" was conjured up by Joseph Smith and can be found only in his Bible translation. It can't be found in any of the original manuscripts from which the letter to Corinthians was translated from. If you look up JSV of 1. Corinthians 15:40 it reads “Also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial, and bodies telestial; but the glory of the celestial, one; and the terrestrial, another; and the telestial, another.”
Compare it to KJV 1. Cor. 15:40 “There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.”
Joseph had to come up with a new word, in order to introduce new doctrine that came along with it.
Those open minded or curious enough, please check out Mike Wingers video “How Joseph Smith Tried to Write Himself Into the Bible”
Mormon theology is amateur hour corporate cosplay.
Catholic theology has infinite degrees of glory, based on how much one loves God. Children already have the right disposition.
All religions are a scam
Infinite degrees of glory? Could you please elaborate further on that? What does that mean exactly and does that include being like God?
Its all wishful thinking, cosplay or not. The Sadducees among other ancient thinkers had it right, dust to dust, curtains, the end.
@@JC-vq2cs with what degree of certainty can you say that?
I love that things and stuff are like the motivator for the Mormons. Like oh “you’ll be beautiful when you get to heaven” “oh you’ll have a mansion” “oh all your best friends will be there” “god will think you’re cool”
All the things that don’t matter in this life are SO important in the next. This doesn’t make any sense to me. Hahaha. It makes me feel so icky. In a massive universe full of wonders and beauty, you’re telling me the best we can hope for is that I’m finally going to get a mansion?!
Sorry, this made me laugh!
Eternity. This is at most.. 100 years of your life.
Take now.. a thought of 100 years. A million. A billion years. Such a long life you can see a planet form, and life grow, and the planet die.
So long a life you can witness a star be born, and the same star die.
Turns out, living with happiness in that life is indeed more than in this life.
In this life would you rather be happy for one second or 100 years? Because even that shred of time is insignificant to eternity.
This is the problem with lies- its hard to remember which ones you’re supposed to be sticking to, especially as you get old!
The whole word "telestial" was conjured up by Joseph Smith and can be found only in his Bible translation. It can't be found in any of the original manuscripts from which the letter to Corinthians was translated from. If you look up JSV of 1. Corinthians 15:40 it reads “Also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial, and bodies telestial; but the glory of the celestial, one; and the terrestrial, another; and the telestial, another.”
Compare it to KJV 1. Cor. 15:40 “There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.”
Joseph had to come up with a new word, in order to introduce new doctrine that came along with it.
Those open minded or curious enough, please check out Mike Wingers video “How Joseph Smith Tried to Write Himself Into the Bible”
When I see your videos now I immediately feel like you’re fresh out of removing a beam from your eye and I respect that ❤
This is one of my favourites so far, very creative, 9/10
The fact that my entire family will hear this and walk hypnotized with a straight body with their arms in front of them and say YES MASTER is so so sad 😢
I’m not Mormon but I would guess Simply because the Book of Mormon was written long before what Joseph fielding smith said that quote and that was his and others “revelation” from the bible “There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.” As silly as it may sound but no Christian really bothers with the verse they just have came up with the idea everyone looks the same in heaven/ hell as they do on earth
The whole word "telestial" was conjured up by Joseph Smith and can be found only in his Bible translation. It can't be found in any of the original manuscripts from which the letter to Corinthians was translated from. If you look up JSV of 1. Corinthians 15:40 it reads “Also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial, and bodies telestial; but the glory of the celestial, one; and the terrestrial, another; and the telestial, another.”
Compare it to KJV 1. Cor. 15:40 “There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.”
Joseph had to come up with a new word, in order to introduce new doctrine that came along with it.
Those open minded or curious enough, please check out Mike Wingers video “How Joseph Smith Tried to Write Himself Into the Bible”
I am here to help!! 😂😂😂 Here is the quote freshly copy&pasted from Doctrines of Salvation
"In both of these kingdoms there will be changes in the bodies and limitations.
Some of the functions in the celestial body will not appear in the terrestrial body, neither in the telestial body, and the power of procreation will be removed.
I take it that men and women will, in these kingdoms, be...neither man nor woman, merely immortal beings having received the resurrection”
JOSEPH FIELDING SMITH
DOCTRINES OF SALVATION VOL. 2
If president Nelson meant something else… up to him to clarify, he’s quite eloquent. He did not mean passages of scriptures. As lds people we need to know our doctrine and what we support , protect and fight for. Gender isn’t eternal after all😂 I love the work Nemo puts into creating awareness. We need more like him!!
Read D&C 88. It's where JFS got most of his information from.
@NEMOTHEMORMON Can this comment be pinned please? 🙏😊
The whole word "telestial" was conjured up by Joseph Smith and can be found only in his Bible translation. It can't be found in any of the original manuscripts from which the letter to Corinthians was translated from. If you look up JSV of 1. Corinthians 15:40 it reads “Also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial, and bodies telestial; but the glory of the celestial, one; and the terrestrial, another; and the telestial, another.”
Compare it to KJV 1. Cor. 15:40 “There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.”
Joseph had to come up with a new word, in order to introduce new doctrine that came along with it.
Those open minded or curious enough, please check out Mike Wingers video “How Joseph Smith Tried to Write Himself Into the Bible”
Time will tell. When jesus comes again and we're all judged as individuals, the truth will speak for itself when that day arrives. Then we will know with a surety. Everyone has their own opinion, I sustain my prophet whole-heartedly!!
I was always told that the higher up you are in Mormon heaven, the more beautiful and shiny you are.
Nelson needs to explain exactly what constitutes a Celestial body. Nelson appears to imply that a Telestial body does not have power to procreate.
He has had the "Second Anointing" and believes that his calling and erection have been made sure. Nobody who has a Telestial body can say that their calling and erection have been made sure.
He's wrong on both points: no procreation is happening in the 1 and only Heavenly kingdom.
I see it as an 3 fold agenda move.
(1) A power handshake, power share/xfer with Oaks
(2) A hook to snag all members to be more self aware to obedience, beliefs and actions.
(3a) A push on more marriages. Keep in mind young marriages were brought back in full force a few months ago. This just garners a trigger and added groomed concept to feel more right with following the prophet's directive and start making babies sooner.
(3b) This also snags some other niche collectives in Mormondom living in older truths to get emotional and triggered to reinstitute their layered beliefs/'purpose to truth'. When Apostles revisit past highly postured layers, they play reality 'like hitting a key on a keyboard' (Their internal metaphor belief, not mine) with what HQ wants.
LOL. As a NeverMo you have NO idea the comedy outsiders enjoy watching this. So glad you guys have seen thru it ❤
I just now recognized him from his role in Indiana Jones and the last crusade. "You have chosen wisely."
1 Corinthians 15:40
There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
Russell M. Nelson knows what he is talking about. He is the living prophet of God.
Amen!
Yes I had all this bs pumped at me for over 30 yrs and old Jo the crim got rev that ..the glory of the stars was the telestial because it was the kjv version it was left out one of the ways they trap you into believing it must be the only true church did you know Jo was a 32 deg freee mas on we must watch our wording.. have you bothered to look at where the 33 up leads to like the Hollywood's. How do they get their riches and fame its everywhere out there xx
The whole word "telestial" was conjured up by Joseph Smith and can be found only in his Bible translation. It can't be found in any of the original manuscripts from which the letter to Corinthians was translated from. If you look up JSV of 1. Corinthians 15:40 it reads “Also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial, and bodies telestial; but the glory of the celestial, one; and the terrestrial, another; and the telestial, another.”
Compare it to KJV 1. Cor. 15:40 “There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.”
Joseph had to come up with a new word, in order to introduce new doctrine that came along with it.
Those open minded or curious enough, please check out Mike Wingers video “How Joseph Smith Tried to Write Himself Into the Bible”
@mehujaakarhu3233 So what?
The Joseph Smith Translation does not claim to be a literal translation from original manuscripts. It is more like a “biblical commentary” or “Bible Study Guide,” as we would call it today.
Telestial is just a word used to describe the kingdom below the Terrestial. The Earth is a “Telestial” world. :)
The wizard just said the quiet part out loud
He's a creepy "Orc" -- not a wizard.
sith emperor of the dark side
sorry
don't normally disparage
but those purposely evil
get it on occasion
President Nelson pronounced
President nail son ✝️
Lack of discernment or
R.M.N the 🏛️🗡️RoMaN Soldier with nail 🔨
R.M.N. 🤔 hmm
Roman Egyptian 👁️∆ D.C. Death Cult
Mor mon ey 💵
Lucifer Devil Serpent
@@RadiopostingExactly. Look at his creepy, icky Mr. Burns ass countenance. His countenance oozes grossness.
@@Radioposting you're just a fake period.
THE WIZARD💀
Hi this is Tom, in Alama where your quoting from, says every body will be restored, yes depending on which glory you have lived on this earth. You choose and decide by how you lived on this earth, what glory (heaven) you will be APPOINTED TO BY CHRIST!! THAT IS ON HOW YOU LIVED YOUR LIFE HERE ON EARTH. SIMPLE AS THAT.
So… no lust or eternal pregnancy in the Terrestrial world? Sign me up.
The prophet didn't say or mean anything about reproductive organs, neither are such things taught in the church. You just trying to take his address in delusional direction you created.
How in any world does "telestial body" mean a body without reproductive organs?
Celestial bodies (like God the Father and Jesus Christ) have the brightness of the sun.
Terrestrial bodies have the glory of the moon.
Telestial bodies have the "glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory." (1st Corinthians 15:41)
That is basically all we know about those bodies, other than the comment referenced from Alma.
President Nelson said NOTHING in this clip about what will or will not be included in a telestial body, only that it is your reward for living the telestial law.
Hahaha!! The "Telestial Ken doll doctrine. . . " 😂😂😂 Just another reason that Nemo is one of my all-time fave Mormon podcasters!
I'm sure ace individuals won't mind the smoothies
Wow, it would be easier to carry the groceries in with no boobs on my way. Go Telestials!!!!!
The Bible does teach different future states, different rewards, and different kinds of body, so to that extent Pres Nelson is right. He has not explicitly spoken here about making babies in heaven.
Yeah, people just ignored that has been taught always and in church manuals and in the Bible, and just jumped on this guys reproductive organ weird stuff, which was said nowhere and not even given as doctrine by its source.
well he hope's to with his 7 wives hes allowed but that's only for the couples that have been sealed for time and all eternity in their temple ...My husband and I have . but we woke up and left I guess we miss out now. . even though we regularly worship The One And Only Lord And Saviour Jesus Christ at other churches and strive to be good people although not perfect xxxx
The whole word "telestial" was conjured up by Joseph Smith and can be found only in his Bible translation. It can't be found in any of the original manuscripts from which the letter to Corinthians was translated from. If you look up JSV of 1. Corinthians 15:40 it reads “Also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial, and bodies telestial; but the glory of the celestial, one; and the terrestrial, another; and the telestial, another.”
Compare it to KJV 1. Cor. 15:40 “There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.”
Joseph had to come up with a new word, in order to introduce new doctrine that came along with it.
Those open minded or curious enough, please check out Mike Wingers video “How Joseph Smith Tried to Write Himself Into the Bible”
The unbelievable hypocrisy of blaming these guys for asking for mental gymnastics for saying something he didn’t actually say or suggest or even approach in the talk…. Is wild!
The "TK smoothie doctrine" is a very logical conclusion for believers in other Mormon teachings like the three degrees of glory and exaltation and eternal marriage, etc. It also gives some insight into the Church's tradition of anti-LGBT teachings and it makes sense that Nelson would believe in it given his fixation on the conditionality of God's love.
At any rate, he didn't say enough to be sure. He could have just been talking about "glory" (whatever that means) and not specifically about genitalia. I guess we'll just have to wait and see if he expounds on it.
If someone were excommunicated, and still wanted to pay tithing, would the church accept it?
No. They will not let nonmembers pay tithing.
@@evanmichelson7229 But if you check a different box on the donation form, they will gladly take your money.
It depends on who you have for a bishop.
I think they'd find a way to "let" you pay SOMETHING, SOMEHOW. It may be categorized differently, but I don't think cash would ever be outright refused.
@@evanmichelson7229really? How do you know?
Um, not sure where you're getting "telestial Ken doll doctrine" from this. Sounds like more of the "Mormons have horns" nonsense. If you are honestly interested in accuracy, try harder. If you're intentionally mischaracterizing others' religious beliefs, do better.
It’s in the description, Joseph Fielding Smith talked about the removal of reproductive organs.
Again, that's not what he taught. You are mischaracterizing it. I'm sure "telestial Ken doll" is catchy, but it's wrong.
@@NEMOTHEMORMON Source please, and post a link.
No... he was referring to 1 Corinthians 15, Paul teaches that the resurrected bodies of each Kingdom, Maybe even each person, will be different.
39 Not all flesh is the same: People have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. 40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. 41 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.
42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead.
It's not Ken doll doctrine. It is 1st Corinthians 15:40. It clearly states you will be resurrected into bodies of different glory. This isn't new. When Moses had his great vision, he saw God in His glory. He then saw Satan in his glory. He could clearly discern between the two glories. Would it not be the same with our bodies? We will be restored to a perfect immortal body just as we have now only incorruptible and perfect. However, the glory we possess will be different; not the body parts.
You're assuming that a "telestial body" means having no sexual organs. He never said that. We don't know the definition of each different body according to its glory, and you assuming that it's a cheap way to summon all the mormon haters.
The cript keeper...
Not trying to argue, but if you believe Paul’s words in 1st Corinthians 15 specifically verses 40 and 41, nothing said right here ought to be offensive
President Nelson did not say anything remotely close to what you are spinning. Where did he or any other leader of the LDS faith say that anybody would be resurrected without reproductive organs. It is fine to dispute somebody’s doctrinal belief, but why make up things out of whole cloth?
President Nelson never said anything about reproductive organs. He is referring to types of glory. Quit putting words in his mouth. Resurrection is not a long lost doctrine. The doctrine of resurrection and the type of glory associated with the body a person is resurrected with is an eternal principal. Long before Ken dolls existed.
Different bodies? Really? Go read Alma11:44, etc., etc., etc.
@joetaylor8687 - I have read it. And your point is? Why would there be different kingdoms of glory if resurrected bodies didn't align with the level of glory God will assign them to? The Book of Corinthians describes the kingdoms of God like different levels of brightness, so why wouldn't bodies be resurrected to align with those levels of brightness? No one will be missing body parts and reproductive organs. Bodies will be intact with different levels of brightness and glory.
That's not what Brigham Young taught. He most definitely taught that if you didn't make it to the celestial kingdom(which required polygamy and at least 2 wives) there would be no procreation for you and therefore no need for those body parts. I was taught this in seminary taken from Brigham's teachings. @@micheleh3851
This doctrine never left… It’s always been a part of the faith,
If they can’t shame you or guilt you into their way of thinking they they’ll come up with something new and exciting to promise / take away as per their needs. After all that’s how a restoration became full of doctrines that never has been the gospel of Jesus Christ. Joseph had to keep upping the ante to keep himself in a leadership position. Nothing has changed.
When I was a member I started to think that the Telestial Kingdom was for normal practical people and the Celestial Kingdom was for nutjobs lol. So glad I don't have to try to keep track of the LDS church's ever-changing doctrine anymore.
The church has enough money to investigate these crazy people to get them out. They choose not to do anything about it.
Nelson preached what I understood to be true in the '60s as I was going up.
Uhh... no. I HIGHLY doubt that's specifically what he was saying. The Bible literally says "bodies Celestial... bodies Terrestrial." We can infer bodies telestial as well as it's the order kingdom of glory.
It's hilarious how many people on here just don't believe in God but can't admit it b/c they want god to be who they want him to be
Love our prophet . Let’s goooooooo!
We lift the church after 4 decades...
Nope, not what Nelson was saying at all, the ken doll thing is all in your head. When he says “kind of body” it’s not about appearance, it’s about the degree of glory the body will possess. This idea comes from the Bible, see: John 5:29 and 1 Cor. 15:40-44
I can’t keep up with ALL the contradictions! How is truth so contradictory and changing? In addition his comment about not taking counsel from those who don’t believe is probably the most damaging statement ever made! It’s contradictory to the extreme of what Jesus taught even at the time the church is trying so very hard to claim they are the “Church of Jesus Christ “ of LDS!!
He didn't say that they don't have reproductive organs. The Family Proclamation teaches that gender is part of our eternal identity and purpose. When he says "what kind of body," he is talking about the difference between celestial and terrestrial and telestial glories-- Paul makes reference to this in the New Testament: "There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another" (1 Corinthians 15: 40).
If it looks like an embalmed corpse and it speaks like an embalmed corpse... it just might be a Leader of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
He never said that a telestial body is not perfected in its entirety, that's a false assumption. I don't know the difference between a Celestial and a Telestial body, and that would be interesting to look into, but it's not the lack of reproductive parts
The whole word "telestial" was conjured up by Joseph Smith and can be found only in his Bible translation. It can't be found in any of the original manuscripts from which the letter to Corinthians was translated from. If you look up JSV of 1. Corinthians 15:40 it reads “Also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial, and bodies telestial; but the glory of the celestial, one; and the terrestrial, another; and the telestial, another.”
Compare it to KJV 1. Cor. 15:40 “There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.”
Joseph had to come up with a new word, in order to introduce new doctrine that came along with it.
Those open minded or curious enough, please check out Mike Wingers video “How Joseph Smith Tried to Write Himself Into the Bible”
There are celestial bodies, terrestrial bodies, and telestial bodies. (1 Corinthians 15:40) I didn’t hear President Nelson talk about telestial bodies being resurrected without reproductive organs. He’s inviting us today to choose to live in a celestial way so we can be resurrected with a celestial body. He’s inviting us to live in such a way that we can live with our families forever, live in the presence of god the father and his son Jesus Christ.
I don’t know how he keeps getting more creepy and devilish looking, but he’s pulling it off
That’s not what he said, and even if it’s what he meant, it’s not a Ken Doll thing. It just means you will be like a child, not having the desire to have sex, so it doesn’t contradict the scripture that you don’t even believe in.
I think you misrepresent everything you hear from the prophets. Does this make you happy, or does it make you more and more depressed? Can’t you find something useful to do?
“They leave the church, but they can’t leave the church alone.”
I still cant get over this being called a TK Smoothie.
Aww, I don't sweat it. I'll get what I get and I won't throw a Fit.
Just like they say:
We all could Go insane with just One bad Day
That’s a funny and interesting take, but my interpretation was that he was referring to D&C 76:70 and 77 where it says there will be bodies resurrected with either celestial or terrestrial glory. Glory could be a euphemism for genitals (and does make sense as you mentioned due to the inability of anyone except celestial beings being able to procreate), but I think the average member is going to think of “glory” as light and righteousness and not anatomy.
Thanks for sharing your take on this, you could well be right!
Those who mock shall mourn.
no, he means that if we reach heaven, everything will be restored to its PERFECT state, you are still you, but your body has no blemishes/injuries you might have now, and if you don't reach heaven, you will be resurrected in the body you currently have.
Well, dang!😮
It gets worse, Nelson misquoted D&C 132:7:
“All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, oaths, vows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations, that are made and entered into and sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise … have an end when men are dead.”
The ellipses skip "are of no efficacy, virtue, or force in and after the resurrection from the dead", which changes the meaning. Nelson's reading invalidates "work for the dead" and damns almost all of humanity. It damns people with abusive spouses or those who never had a chance to marry, let alone in the temple.
Who knows what he really meant. Religion thrives on ambiguity.
Clown.
Ok this might be to deep for some y’all! But what he’s talking about there are certain laws we list to obey and some laws we may have not; the higher the law the higher the blessing! Lets just all repent right and say none of us are perfect. Including me. But let’s have a discussion! Not a heated debate.😅And I think we can all can progress if we go about this the right 😊way.
Not unless you believe Gay people have same rights as yourself- don’t spread your toxic positivity around pretending you believe we are all equals. Break free- you will be a better Christian outside the Mormon church than within it- you’ve been deceived.
Hello, Great and Spacious Building!
I can't imagine a worse condition than being with the husband I married in the temple on the orher side. It was HELL here & it would surely be HELL there
haters gonna hate-Notorious B.I.G.
I wonder what choices will matter for all those baptised when they are dead!!! I am going to aim for a kingdom with people I could abide for eternity-so not the celestial 😊
He certainly confirmed the sadistic nature of the LDS god, who imposes irrevocable, eternal punishments on people who have little or no informed consent, for their finite acts.
Absolutely easily bebunked to be false if you study even a miniscule amount of the religion.
You are misinterpreting what president Nelson is saying. In Alma, it talks about resurrection in general. Everyone will get their hair back. But just like is taught in the New Testament, there will be different degrees of glory for each body. So yes, there will be similarities AND differences. Why is that hard to understand if we already believe in different degrees of glory? That isn't long lost doctrine. It's only weird if you don't have faith in the plan of salvation.
And I thought they were happy to keep this one buried in doctrines of salvation volume 2. 😂😂
No, it just means a body for the telestial kingdom. His talk however reminded me of the Buddhist teachings of Karma and rebirth in the respective realm, as exemplified in the sutra of the ox ascetic, MN 57.
Insane in the membrane! I can't shake my head hard enough.
All kingdoms are bound by laws and each is predicted by adherence to those laws upon which the kingdom is predicated. No Ken doll doctrine of missing organs is mentioned. "Your thoughts are not my thoughts, your ways are not my ways."
1 Corinthians 15: 40-42.
This doctrine is in the Bible.
3 Glory's and 3 resurrections.
You want to be a part of the first resurrection which represents the glory of the sun.
Ready it from KJV.
There is nothing weird about it , it is the Truth !!!
Oh... resurrection as a communications satellite sounds rather cool, all things considered 🙂
just so you know, he isnt talking about physical differences in regards to the telestial body, glory that shall be restored unto it.
Fear all of eternity cry the cannons of Christianity
Knowing this is an older doctrine helps me understand something that a girl being coerced into an unwanted marriage either wrote or said during an interview: that she'd be relegated to being like the ministering angels (no reproductive value) in the next life if she didn't obey the prophet and do as she was told.
Can't recall when this occurred or within which denomination.
It was Emma Smith.
True lordship salvation can only mean that the person of christ is the lord of salvation, not because of works or by ones obedience, but on the grounds of his perfect righteousness..
I didnt understand the 3levels of heaven until I read the Book of Enoch. We must remember we all wonderfully & beautifully made. Search the scriptures to fina out how God loves you as you are, he sees YOU, dont be so hard on yourself as 1Samuel 16:7 tells us where he looks & where man looks. Prophet Nelson says some wonderful things aswell, we all do.
Prophets are sinful humans as we are, as Jospeh Smith said “Prophets are only prophets when they are acting like one, when they are not they are just like everyone else faulty with mistakes just doing their best” Is partly why God tells us to test the spirits & study scripture daily. Hope this encourages someone that no matter where you are, dont ever let yourself get bogged down with “Im not good enough”, step on top of that mound & walk over it, just embrace the love & enjoy life, be proud of yourself everyday God knows ❤
I love our prophet and apostles and I love when people make alie about us it help me to know that what the lord has revealed is very true and LDS church is very true it's beyond people understanding because it's new doctrine the lord has revealed.its like the Day when Jesus Christ came and began to teach new doctrine people were also not believing .yet he was telling them the truth people do not want new revealed truth
…And President Russell M. Nelson is a giant among men. He has completely consecrated his life to Christ. How thankful I am that God has given us a living prophet to guide us through these crazy latter-days. 🥰
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I feel he’s talking about a telestial body as in telestial in glory, basically less glorified and bright than a celestial body
The disturbing thing for me is the seriousness with which the religious spout their crazy nonsense and it doesn't come much crazier than Mormon beliefs!
He’s talking about the glory you will be resurrected in. The Bible teaches some will be resurrected in the glory of the celestial body or terrestrial body all different glories.
Charles Montgomery Burns in his second career as (false) prophet
I’m not letting some guy who will be in outer darkness. Tell me anything.
Guess Heavenly Father is confused again
I am not Mormon and listening to these man made rules is off the mark, I as a follower of Jesus Christ, I look forward to being like Him, of which I speculate is in a spirit as He was before becoming human.
That is not what he said and you have miss understood the prophets and their words.
Joseph Fielding Smith said, "Some of the functions in the celestial body will not appear in the terrestrial body, neither in the telestial body, and the power of procreation will be removed."
He did not say they would not have reproduction organs, he said "the power of procreation will be removed."
What the prophet said is true, it is not a contradiction. It is not a telestial doctrine being resurrected and it is not a long lost doctrine. The Doctrine of Christ doesn't change. Please stop spreading false statements.
I thank God for his living prophets and apostles 🙏🏽❤️
Loved him in Game of Thrones!
The afterlife is of course equally fictional.
Thank you Mormonism for showing the rest of us just how a single swindler can create a whole religion.
All religions are the same that way, piles of falsehoods backed by threats.
@NEMOTHEMORMON
have you not feel the spirit of the while watching the general conference?
The most specific discourse was from Melvin j Ballard called The Three Degrees of Glory.
Thanks, I shall have to check that out
What it really comes down to is that Nelson knows if people start choosing telestial path, hes going to lose money.
Honestly if the church is true then the church needs to start letting people choose what kind of path they want to live instead of having this narrow minded attitude like the celestial kingdom is the only destination 😑.
The path is straight and narrow, very few find it. I guarantee you 99.99 present of people in the church arent really going to the celestial kingdom
If you knew the secret to eternal and everlasting happiness, would you shut up and let people doom themselves to a lifetime of drug use and violence or would you let them know?
If you had the cure to cancer or solution to world peace, would you keep it to yourself or share it?
Obviously share. You are never forced to follow it. You can choose to be a part of the church and follow it. You can choose to not pay tithes or swear. It is heavily encouraged to follow the most christlike path of love and kindess you can. But you can always choose not to.
Actions always have consequences though. Every choice you make has a good or bad result.
Love Russel Nelson he has lived a very interesting life. Read his biography it’s incredible!
When your numbers are in decline, just threaten to take away their junk forever if they don't stay active!
Well which is it words of Nelson or words of Joseph Smith. I'm an ex- mormon And if I had to choose I choose to believe the scriptures. Because I do believe when we are resurrected, everything will be restored back to its former state. And I always felt that way even before joining the mormon church.
Aren't we living on a telestial world now? If so, aren't these bodies therefore "telestial"?
Yes, but they’re also mortal. When we are resurrected, our bodies will be immortal.
@@Brother-Jacob Right, I understand that. I'm simply saying that the bodies we have now are telestial. What do people think is going to happen in the next lift?
@@TPIR_Fan_1972 I think it’s mostly speculation at this point. We don’t know much about the next life or the degrees of glory, or even what “glory” is. I think of glory as “light and truth,” but that doesn’t help me to understand what a “glorified body” looks like. I think we have a rather simplistic understanding of it, and it will end up being something far greater than we now comprehend.
@@Brother-Jacob I'm sure you're probably right.
This is definitely not what he was referring to. Its clearly taught that resurrected bodies will vary in glory depending on the glory that people are assigned to. Its not referring to losing your apendages. The fact that you have added so much of your own assumptions here shows me your bias
Ken doll theory = not doctrine. When you want to find a problem, you’ll find it.