How Members Rescued Abandoned Mormon Chapel
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- Опубликовано: 26 окт 2024
- It's the oldest chapel of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the world, and it's not in the United Sates of America. Nestled in the Worcestershire countryside is Gadfield Elm Chapel. Given to the church by the United Brethren in the 1840s, it laid abandoned after mass migration by members of the Church to the United Saints. Join me as I explore how it came to be restored.
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Nemo, I'm in the US and an ex-Mormon. I think the work you're doing is great and to this day, I remain subscribed. I just wish I could do more to support your channel. But after watching these examples of how the church financially abandons the members and uses the members to undertake the financial burdens they can well afford, I keep asking myself "why?". I don't understand the level of greed the church leaders display.
The Church did not abandon the members in purchasing the land or restoring Gadfield Elm Chapel. Nemo is far from truthful about this. If the Church had taken over this site, it would have diminished the members' efforts and personal sacrifices. This story is about personal sacrifice and people being anxiously engaged in a good cause.
The only abandonment here is Nemo not telling the real stories. He's more focused on finding the one who didn’t join the Church rather than highlighting the many amazing stories, both then and now.
@@wmdubinhad Personal sacrifice. Right. Just like how the church continues to ask for tithing payments when they are worth 200 billion dollars. At what point does the church give back to the members and communities at large.
Ah this place has a special place in my heart. I effectively grew up with it. Saw it be rebuilt from.the ground up My family helped Wayne his parents etc maintain the garden when it had one. Spent my youth camping there and activities were always planned there. Attended the dedication and got to see the prophet. It was always a special place to the members who attended. Whike its a shame the church left the members to do all the leg work, the members definitely got the benefit of the place to enjoy it. As ah Exmo its the one place i would want to go to again in the future.
While I'm not a member, I feel like that is the proper way to do it. Members not leaders get to decide how the donations should be spent. Growing up in Utah, I am really disappointed seeing what is supposed to be a religion, is more like a conglomerate of businesses and yet they still demand their faithful to pony up %10.
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The members are just tithing livestock--a source of fresh capital for the business conglomerate.
Such a beautiful landscape
Thank you, Nemo. Your reportage is appreciated!
My pleasure
I grew up within this Stake and know the local people who bought and renovated this at the time!
I also vaguely remember being in a church film as a child >10yo or so so late 80’s which was about Mormonism in the UK.
Just in case anyone is interested and as you’ve triggered a memory I had to go searching - 1987 A Story of Strength is how Mormonism in this area with Benbow’s farm and I suppose a little later Garfield Elm were portrayed.
@@mmoo5070 I remember that video.
Yes, I was a member of the Stake who was actively involved in restoring this beautiful building. To now know that the church had enough funds to pay for it is one of the reasons I left.
@@mariaaustin1054of course there were funds to pay for it - but this would have taken away such a massive part of the lives of those you know well put their heart and soul into the restoration.. and what a legacy they can now look back on and leave.
I went through some questioning, but started to realise that if I hear someone playing Beethoven badly, I shouldn’t blame Beethoven.. or the music!
Anyway, regardless of our current situation with the church, you both are amazing people and have made a great impact on my life - especially all the time spent with mark! So many good times! And should we come back to the U.K. I’m sure there will be many more!!
I can tell you why Phillip Holt didn't join. His bullshit meter went off and he listened to it
Went there a couple of months ago…they’ve done a remarkable job restoring it! Worth a look!
Agreed!
The “it’s boggy” at the end had me ROLLING 😂
Why buy history when you can purchase a shopping centre? Appalling 😢
The church has far more important things to spend its money on....like hundreds of million$ on luxury apartment buildings. 💰💰💰
And how do you know this? Please tell us.
www.costar.com/article/1048433182/san-diego-apartment-sale-ranks-among-regions-priciest-of-past-year
@@kevinmatthews7180you wouldn’t know it by the church disclosing how tithing funds are used, because they don’t. If they did, members would realize the church is doing many unsavory things with tithing money and other donations via their various shell corporations
I was a missionary in the England Central Mission in 1972. My Mission President Reed L Reeve wanted to baptize his daughter in John Benbow’s farm pond. After a lengthy process to get permission. Land owner not a member. We had to find the pond! Trees and brush completely surrounded the pond. The water was completely covered with brush, branches and dead fall. We removed and cleared a small spot to stand in. This was no small task as the pond had not been seen for many many years. Then President Reeve baptized his daughter. The water was so murky the baptismal clothes were brown. She would be 60 yrs old today. Never thought I’d see a tourist spot there.
another great job Nemo !
Thank you! Cheers!
@@NEMOTHEMORMON You know that you are deceptive in this story!
This is so beautiful...
Holy Cow! What a view! Stunning story! ❤
Thanks!
@@NEMOTHEMORMON He did not tell the whole story.
I served in the Worcester area in the late eighties. In the pic at 4:02 with President Nelson, I recognize the sister missionary. I believe that is Sister Wilkinson who is a professor at BYU. That lady next to her may be Sister Price, the wife of the England Bristol Mission president. I don't recall the purchase of the farm and I'm wondering if the purchase coincided with the celebration of the 150th anniversary of the Church in Great Britain. Thank you for this very informative video. I learned more in this short clip then I had in my forty five years as a member.
Is it downtown? Is it a mall? Tch it doesnt even have a steeple, how are the members going to worship without at least 150 ft steeple?
Not surprised the Church did not express interest. Nauvoo was mostly privately done at first.
I have been to Gadfield Elm Chaple and it is a cute little place full of British Church history. The Church knows it is historicaly indebted to UK church members for still being a church today but they struggle to get their heads around the UK and have any influence here.
Great history lesson Nemo!
❤❤❤ Amazing work Nemo
I first went there as part of the CES London Institute. At that Gadfield Elm Chapel was run by the Gadfield Elm Trust. The amount of effort goes into restoring the building.
Hey the Church needed a multi milliin dollar warehouse in Florida- more then save a church! 😮 ps Nemo can you do a short on why they needed a warehouse that large?
Nemo can you get a copy of the deed to see who purchased the land in 1836?
That would be cool!
Deeds in England are tricky to find as they're not generally all housed in archives. They tend to remain within families but sometimes can be found if deposited in an archive.
@Mustardmanor now that's very interesting thanks.
I was a member in Worcester for many years and it is very well looked after, a few letters peeling is massively nit-picking at the love care and attention given to maintain the chapel and grounds that are actually extensively used as a really great camp grounds for numerous different stake groups.
And the postulating that the members were hard done by the church is ludicrous - if nemo you had actually done your research, you could have talked to wayne who lives close and you would have known then that they feel amazingly blessed for the massive efforts they put in to it. These are the type of people that are not thinking of temporary treasures that will rust and fade.
They are also massive examples of people who are living great lives as they seek to grow closer to Heavenly Father each day.
The Church will just let it go to ruin as they allowed in the first place. It's not a money maker, so they are out.
Thanks!
Do quite enjoy little pieces of history.
Was also amazed at some pointers like the chapel being bought and restored, pretty amazing that all happened in my childhood days. Didn’t know about it, or perhaps have vaguely heard. Surely it may have been in the church magazines they always had a news section or some even wrote just a proper article am curious if there is any of that. I have found some magazines on internet archive go back very far (Dutch publications, not sure how stuff for England was, and in how far that’s on the archive. Don’t mind digging in some older stuff if you happen to have some points of interest to look out for.)
Very interesting story. 👍🏼
Glad you enjoyed it
When you think the church can’t stoop any lower; it definitely does.
EXCELLENT JOB, NEMO !!!! MY MISSION WAS SOUTHWEST BRITISH , IN WALES.
Didn't the Benbows emigrate to Salt Lake only to leave the church and move away?
@NemoTheMormon Have you done any research into President Nelson's involvement with the Skull and Bones Chapter at the University of Utah, and Owl and Key? This is a very concerning matter for me and was wondering if you had any information or an opinion regarding this. Thank you in advance.
Great story mate! I get what your saying now, On youtube everyonce in a while I get the recommendation of a live sacrament meeting In England. In the camera I see a cheap small podium and the back ground looks like some shabby town hall or and old AA meeting place. Don't you guys have real churches?? Is it that exspensive over there? Every country I know has brand-new LDS churches built.
Gadfield Elm Chaple is the oldest the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints church in the world. It is also part of UK and Global church history. It is not a modern chapel it was old even in 1836.
@@AnnaBellaChannel I'm so Glad those good UK saints decided to buy the place! this was a huge amazing story that I hade never heard of but wished I could of heard it a long time ago!!
I want you guys to know I'm an Active Mormon who loves NEMO!!! he tells the truth and he is not mean angry or hateful about the LDS church! I would never call him ANTI but i know the leaders would!! we should be able to question think and disagree with our leaders... its the nature of men!! We need freedom of Speech!!!
Hold on UK Saints your cry is being heard! "the people's prince" is changing things! LOL!
My family was in that area where they all were baptized.
Local saints are worth a ship full of general authorities
Absolutely!
Amazing scenery and what a sacrifice to those involved
I guess would ask 2 questions to be thorough:
1. How much money did the church have in 1994 when this building was purchased? (~7 billion?) 3 years prior to Ensign Peak Advisors was formed. Unsure if that 192 million purchase of the Kirtland temple and other properties/items could be used as a comparison to this purchase in 1994. Maybe identify purchases by the church in mid 90's?
2. 2001 was when the first of 13 shell companies formed to obfuscate church holdings. Unsure how long after did they end up with 13. Can we really say that in the nineties "they had no reason to believe that the church had billions of dollars they could have spent to fund this project because the church employed systematic efforts to hide the size and nature of their wealth from the public and church members"? Maybe the church employed different types of "systematic efforts" before 2001 but that would be a different link than your expose on the SEC violations and shell companies.
All 13 shell companies were created the same day from the same IP address.
This makes me happy. Knowing that those people were able to purchase and restore the chapel without any help. Had the church just outright bought it they wouldn't have been able to do any of that. I'm so thankful for the wisdom of the church.
What a peculiar take…
@@mmoo5070 I know it's awesome right. Who wouldn't want to be able to work on reconstructing historic sites, that's just awesome.
… concerning the Twelve Apostles of the Lamb.
Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of desolation, of weeping, of mourning, and of lamentation; and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith the Lord.
And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the Lord;
First among those among you, saith the Lord, who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house, saith the Lord. (D&C 112:24-26)
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
…that he might be revealed in his time.
…until he be taken out of the way. (2 Thessalonians 2:1, 3-4, 6, 7)
While that man, who was called of God and appointed, that putteth forth his hand to steady the ark of God, shall fall by the shaft of death, like as a tree that is smitten by the vivid shaft of lightning. (D&C 85:8)
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. (1 Thessalonians 5:3)
Nemo loves to judge the Church by the "that's not fair, that's not right" standard, where nothing is ever enough. According to Nemo, the Church never spends, gives, or loves enough. If it were up to him, the Church would have bought a "time machine" to send money back in time and fly the Saints from Nauvoo to Salt Lake City, avoiding all that personal sacrifice. “Curse that personal sacrifice!”
Sadly, Nemo has distorted or forgot the incredible story of Gadfield Elm Chapel, its people, and the history of Britain during Wilford Woodruff's mission.
He overlooks the amazing stories of the building's purchase, the members' sacrifices, and their joy in restoring this beautiful structure. “Curse that personal sacrifice!”
FAIR employee apologist alert! ⚠️
@@djvee25 ????
RUclips is not allowing me to like your video. 🤔
Preacher Holt wasn't taken in by the Mormon heresy 😅
We are so blessed by the sacrifice these members made, and it has greatly enriched my family’s life as we spend time in this beautiful building and surrounding areas!
Members over the world make similar sacrifices, like those in Britain. Many Church history sites, such as Kirtland, Nauvoo, and Missouri, started with members who later donated assets to the Church.
Sometimes, when the Church tries to buy properties, locals refuse to sell. A great example is Adam-ondi-Ahman, where the community wouldn’t sell a rock, so a few members bought the land piece by piece and then deeded the land to the Church. Now, the Church owns all the land as far as you can see from Adam-ondi-Ahman. They rent out the farmland to local farmers and it is so beautiful! These new farmers love the partnership they have with the church.
Nemo always seems to focus on the negative instead of appreciating a beautiful story like this one.
NEMO knows nothing of sacrifice. His pride doesn’t allow him to just leave the church. He puts all of this short history together to give the appearance of what he thinks he knows but he doesn’t. Don’t be fooled, he has become bitter.
The gistory is important. For all the sacrifices members make for yhe church, it ks appalling and shamefully against christlike behavior to not support the poor and needy of the world. The church is more than financially able to help refurbish areas like these, beautiful as they are. It is bot bitter to tell the truth. And arrogance at best to hoard wealth to the suffering and resource abuse of faithful people. It is sad to see so many resources in the hands of greedy and indifferent men. At least that is my two cents. The deception is criminal, and leads to the unnecessary suffering kf countless people.
@@ryangarrard3135 The only deception is in your mind and Nemo's RUclips channel. Nemo loves to judge the Church by the "that's not fair, that's not right" standard, where nothing is ever enough.
According to Nemo, the Church never spends, gives, or loves enough. If it were up to him, the Church would have bought a "time machine" to send money back in time and fly the Saints from Nauvoo to Salt Lake City, avoiding all that personal sacrifice. “Curse that personal sacrifice!”
Sadly, Nemo has distorted or forgot the incredible story of Gadfield Elm Chapel, its people, and the history of Britain during Wilford Woodruff's mission.
He overlooks the amazing stories of the building's purchase, the members' sacrifices, and their joy in restoring this beautiful structure. “Curse that personal sacrifice!”
@@ryangarrard3135 Sorry, I am not a church BOT, ha. You claim that all this money is hoarded by greedy and indifferent men. But no facts are given to make that claim. So that makes it your opinion which is no better than Nemo who doesn't know his head from a hole in the ground.
Where were you when the tornadoes swept across the Midwest and eastern parts of the United States the past 5 months? Were you when the Church donated tools and equipment, free of charge to these many different communities? Were you there when the church came in with thousands and tens of thousands of dollars of free food and clothing for the different communities. Where were you when members and the community help clean these areas up and help people get back on their feet cutting down trees moving garbage and helping them re-build their life again?
The church does so much good around this world that is never seen by small people like you who live in little micro web sitting on your gaming chair being critical of something you know nothing about.
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The nemenhah records (the plain and precious things) Women have the higher priesthood. The native Americans more full record
its boggEEEEEE
Hahaha! It was, my feet were sinking!
Incredible research Nemo!