Divine Dispute: Inside the Feud between Nelson & Hinckley
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- Опубликовано: 26 окт 2024
- Russell M. Nelson seems to have made his mission to outshine and outlast Gordon B. Hinckley, but why?
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I’m not even a practicing or believing MORMON and even I had a soft spot for Hinkley. He was so cute and sweet, like he was everyone’s Grandpa that loves you and wants the best for you completely.
I agree he was probably the most loved, it sounds to me like Nelson is jealous of his legacy.
Hinckley had a better public persona for sure, but he was a sneaky son of a gun.
It is a truth universally acknowledged that whenever a new guy becomes the Prophet, his pet peeves immediately become "the mind and will of the Lord for His people."
Absolutely CORRECT.
Unfulfilled prognostications been inside Granite Mountain vaults twice and last Vault door on right side at the end of center Vault is the President's personal prophet's Vault alarmed directly the the prophet's office in the church office tower downtown.
@@rebeccasirrine947 indeed! According to Rusty the Lord was offended at all the millions spent on the I’m A Mormon campaign…but not on City Creek Mall cuz the lord loves a good Rolex!
@@andycarrillo1477This comment in my opinion wins the internet
That's how the Lord works. But you guys will not understand it.
That 95th birthday event was like something out of a North Korea.
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Is there a link?
exactly ... all it needed was to have squad of goose stepping elder quorum members with flags waving all over the place .... and a congratulations and happy birthday message from kim jong un shown on the big screen
North Korea at least looks bad ass and has cool military parades. Whatever these ppl are doing is next level cringe
No joke!! I was just coming to comment the exact same thing.
When Nelson gave that talk, saying that the name Mormon is a victory for Satan, I said, "this dude has lived this long out of spite just to beat President Hinckley out on this one point!" What a dick move!!
sounds like you are quit familiar with what a dick is, have a look in a mirror, you should get some NIL money.
I used to work for the church. One time I had to edit out "unconditional love" from a video. When I asked why it had to be cut out. Someone said. "It's a president Nelson thing." haha. Broke my shelf.
The “haha” to “broke my shelf” is a funny juxtaposition. Lol
Wow!! U are a glorious soul. Thanks 4 sharing this.
So a vague answer broke your shelf? That’s pretty sad tbh.
@@THECABIN-FC Oh I mean that on top of Joseph Smith marrying underage girls, polygamy, and a plethora of other inconsistent bologne I was fed my whole life about what the church says it is. And yes. It was pretty sad. Devastating actually. But I'm so much happier now.
@@THECABIN-FC draw the implications from the question. I know sometimes it’s hard to think critically, but ask more questions and go to the conclusions. Al of them lead you to the church being false and man made.
I'm ex-Mormon but I've been out for nearly 20 years. The birthday celebration you showed for rmn feels very much like it felt when I watched Tom Cruise's birthday in the Scientology documentary 😬
I just had yellow couch jumping flashbacks
Can you imagine what his 100th birthdays party is going to be like if he lives that long?
Just curious, if you have been out for 20 years, why would you spend any time watching a video like this, let alone take any time to comment on it?
Honest question, not a criticism.
@@CougarFan827 most of what there is to know about the church, we're deliberately obstructed from knowing while we're in the church. The formative experience they gave me, taught me that truth is found by warm fuzzy feelings, and my worth is measured in my usefulness to men in positions of power. Learning is deconstruction. Deconstruction is healing.
@@jessyocom2910 Thanks for your answer. It is unfortunate that was your experience. I am grateful that my family has had a different experience than you did. I wish you well.
This proves God does not run this church but mens egos do
Alas, Hinckley (aka forged document dealer and avid WSJ reader), had the last laugh! He created Ensign Peak Advisors (and City Creek, mind you), and left our legendary super surgeon to become the first "Mormon" prophet to be fined and sandbagged by the SEC. For an egomaniac like Nelson, so obsessed with building a DIY legacy, that must have been a bitter pill to ingest!
Very well said...
They are all egomanics, some are just more likable and Nelson is desperate to feel that adulation.
I actually dislike Nielsen so much that I miss Monson and Hinckley
If you get the spirit of the Lord, you’ll cease to be offended by imperfect humans
@@chesterpowers5386 The Spirit tells me to stay away from Mormonism.
God is never happy with idol worship yet that is EXACTLY what this birthday celebration is about.
I’m not trying to be snarky or anything, and I’m not LDS, but I don’t understand your statement. I don’t consider birthday celebrations as worship; am I wrong?
Birthdays aren't idol worshipping: you know nothing Jon Snow.
nonsense.
Secret JW
Birthdays are not idol worship. When we celebrate Christmas it is to celebrate the birth of Jesus and to look forward with hope for His Second Advent.
Birthday concerts = narcissistic hubris
I’m thinking so too!
And in no way culty!
The way he stood up with a casual smile to speak at the end, like they hadn't just had the biggest "event" that building has ever seen, in his honor.
It's Nelson's way of pissing on Hinkley's grave. His jealousy is immense.
Verily, verily, he has received his reward...
I think Kim Jung Un would have been Jelous of that birthday party.
Nelson is arrogant and proud! Hinkley was far more humble, and was able to communicate to the members, with compassion and love... Temples today are planned in areas were they can't be staffed, or government approved. I think Nelson is senile! 😢😢😢
Just don’t tell him…😂
He wants to be the temple announcing prophet... Ugh!!
I agree. And I must praise Nemo for raising a very important area within the Christian faith, of faith and works.
It would be great if he would do something on the ‘Kingdom of God’, which the LDS church says is itself, while Jesus said is ‘within you’ Luke 17: 20-21.
Yeah I think pres Hinkley was a million times better leader then nelson,
But watch out his besty pres oaks will label you apostate if you like other past leaders more.
Pres nelson and oaks are like the two old asshole muppets always making fun of the show.
Oh no! Now the Book of Mormon MUST be changed to The Book of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints!!! 😂😂😂
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Mormon is the compiler of the Book of Mormon.
@@Famr4evr I understand that, Moroni, his son, was given the "condensed book" on metal plates and buried them. It was a joke.
Actually they did that by adding the subtitle "Another Testament of Jesus Christ".
@@FTTLOMS Actually, ... not. It's called The book of Mormon! BIG BOLD lettering. The subtitle is simply an explanation of the contents, as exampled by the MUCH smaller text! BTW, it was a JOKE!
I have to laugh to myself that Nelson a couple times started to pause, expecting laugher, didn’t get it, and so continues talking.
the teleprompter said "wait for laughter"
Yeah I have thought for a long time that the way we regard the prophets is kind of inappropriate. I think that there's a big difference between respecting them for who they are and worshiping them. And as a Rexburg resident it's really wild to me how much people change when a member of the 12 is coming to give a talk on campus or something. And it just makes me feel like why are we not treating these men as men especially if we're going to defend the crazy things they say by saying they're just men? Jesus wasn't a rockstar but I feel like the leaders of this church are rockstars
Wannabe Rockstar with the all the Rockstar dollars 😅
@@bewitched3912 YES!
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN
ACTUAL and WANNABBEE!
God, this s***t is
just PUKEFYING.
I am sure a lot of actual rockstars wish people wouldn't treat them like that, too. I am sure many church leaders make the same mistake many professional athletes make and start believing their publicity. It is a human failing. I agree with you that we shouldn't excuse them for that, but neither are we in any position to judge them. You know, it's a "mote and a beam" thing.
@@BuggMann91 rasband is an arrogant sob, he came to our stake with a large retinue of minders and photographers and security
@@martincollins2920security because there are haters of our Apostles and Prophets and generally our church everywhere including in this video. We therefore can't just let unbelievers kill them as they want like during the early days of the church. Let them be guarded it's not your concern.
During his birthday speech, Nelson said Jesus was his exemplar, I don't think Jesus ever told people who couldn't afford it to buy food for their family or clothes for their children to hand over tithing to the church instead so they could build expensive buildings in which to perform ridiculous nonsense rituals. I think Jesus would be appalled at this church being massively wealthy yet commanding people in financial difficulty not to take care of their families but hand them what little money they couldn't afford to hand over
I wrote an essay while at BYU-Idaho where I mentioned the unconditional love of god and even quoted Elder Holland. I received a 0% on that assignment and was emailed by the professor a copy of President Nelson’s article along with a message telling me that I was doctrinally incorrect.
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God's love is unconditional but the thing people need to understand, especially in our society that "unconditional love" is not the same thing as "unconditional acceptance"
As a uncle I can love my nephews unconditionally but that does not mean I have to tolerate their bad behavior and if I truly love them, I will correct them.
Same thing applies to God. Whoever told you you are incorrect about God's love is incorrect and has no place being a professor.
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bahahahaaaa what a zoo so if u disagree with Prophet Nelson it is blaphemy even if its proven by science and scholars the world over 😂 Bahahahahhahaaaaaaaa stick to surgery doc u aint a doctor or psychology or a
social scientist 😂
The God I believe in wants Satan to repent. The God I believe in will spend eternity trying to get Satan to understand.
True love is unconditional. Anybody that tells you otherwise wants something from you.
where does it say that in the scriptures? Can't seem to find that wording anywhere.
@@user-ql2id3ml3iJeremiah 31: 3 The Lord hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.
The Second Anointing ritual tells anyone all they need to know about being ‘white and delightsome’. Until Yeshua came to earth God’s love was conditional and therefore unobtainable. Rusty attempts to make Yeshua’s love conditional and hierarchical based on personal worthiness measured by the covenants only tithe-payers can make and keep in temples.
@@user-ql2id3ml3i The scriptures don't tell me to brush my teeth. Does that mean I should stop doing it?
Abusers want to make sure their victims believe in unconditional love... It allows them to keep the abusiveness going (Ex: "if you really love me, then you won't tattle on me or leave me").
Back in the day - 60s and 70s - I remember being told by the 'prophets' to be proud of the name 'mormon' because it seperated us from the rest of mainstream christianity which had of course fallen away long ago necessitating the 'restoration' that was the whole justification for the church in the first place.
Bruh, that 95th birthday celebration left me speechless! I thought Mormons only worship Jesus, but I guess not.
the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints worships the same person jesus worships.
god, the father, through jesus christ.
as jesus commanded.
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@@grayman7208Yeah, just like you worship a racists God.
Don't you like having a prophet? :)
@@grayman7208 oh ok, but they put the so called prophets, seers and revelators (of nothing) on pedastals and idolize them
I’d love to see a video about the birthday party!
How can anyone sustain a prophet who stabs previous prophets in the back
If Jesus got even half the adoration of “our beloved prophet” at the 95th birthday, we would be seen as Christian.
Birthday ceremony was cringey.😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
Absolutely! In fact I am in favor of rebranding the Mormon Church as [ drum roll 🥁] The Church of Joseph Smith and Latter Day Saints given more lip service is given to all the absurd rules, restrictions, polygamy practices in the LDS church, Book of Mormon as the Word of God, Masonic ceremonies, etc., and the list goes on not to mention this silly legacy of self proclaimed “prophets” like Brigham Young, who bears sole responsibility for the MMM slaughter of Americans, and various other fraudulent prophets promulgating misogynist, racist and homophobic attitudes and practices and who still continue to do so in “Name of Jesus Christ”! NO! In the Name of Joseph Smith!
Let’s man up and be honest! Let’s call a spade a spade! The Cult of Mormonism is NOT Christian religion! Just as it is not a Masonic religion. But Christianity, Masonry, Science Fiction and the Bible and the invented Book of Mormon have all been major influences in the delusional mind of Joseph Smith who came up with this wildly hybrid and mishmash of religious beliefs. But is not Christ Jesus the low man of the Totem Pole? Sure he gets lip service but the real things that matter and affect your entrance into the Celestial Kingdoms have to do with church bans on drinking coffee and masturbation! I don’t recall Jesus Christ restricting the consumption of coffee or telling me I can not explore my sexuality through the practice of masturbation. Do you? If you do, then you’re not reading from the New Testament and are probably a “good Mormon”. That is your rite/ right! But it’s also my right to denounce a fraudulent cult when I see it and to call a spade a spade ♠️.
I believe The Church of Joseph Smith and Latter Day Saints more accurately describes what the Cult of Mormonism truly centers around. Its myriad of laws, rituals, rules, doctrines and dogmas are specifically Joseph Smith invented and inspired and have zero input from Jesus Christ who wouldn’t even condone these mind control and brainwashing tactics.
At the end of the day we come to Jesus and God and are Born Again in Him and NOT Joseph Smith and we are Born Again not through mind control and coercion but by the Love and Grace of Christ and God.
If Jesus Christ truly died for our sins and redeemed us, what need do we have to cult leader and false prophet proclaiming his own authority over our Souls and demanding we become “worthy” enough through his invented cult and the science fiction he promulgated with the pagan notion of a man taking multiple wives only to leave multiple men without a wife because a bunch of lustful old farts have hogged up all the underage girls and ladies? What blatant hypocrisy! What blasphemy! God will NOT be mocked! God SEES through the clever manipulation to boost a man’s pride. But is not the sin of pride that tossed the archangel Lucifer and his minions out of Heaven in the first place?! Mormonism just repackaged the sin of pride and lust as the central tenet of polygamy in the Mormon cult. Certainly you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure this out! 🌀
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You mean making His name bigger on the logo wasn't enough?
So you mean the Christmas celebration is smaller than the birthday celebration of our prophet? I thought you guys are smart but am having a second thought
No bizarre piece of Mormon BS escapes Nemo’s sleuth skills. Russell Ego Nelson is hereby crowned “The King of Cringe.”
The King of Cringe!
@whitesal. 😜😜😜
May I add "King of BINGE"
😮 and "King of WHINGE"
Hmm idol worship?🥴
This is so fascinating. I’m an ex-Protestant with only modest exposure to the Mormon church. You digital sleuthing here is SO helpful for those of us outside the church trying to make sense of all the confusion going on inside of it.
Don't worry, we're all a little Madd here. 🤪
@@Cocoisagordonsetter Not any more than any other religious sect. My hobby is shadowing small religious sects and cults, but the Mormons have WAY more structure and hierarchy than most other organizations outside of Jehovah's Witnesses. It's just a whole new world to unpack as an outsider.
It's not surprising such a comment is coming from someone who left his faith and now trying to fight something he knows little of. If you need to understand more, contact our missionaries they will answer all your questions
@@deepwaterwelldrillersltd5637 Hey friend, I'm trying to fight anything. I'm trying to understand. That's why I've had no fewer than 9 meetings with missionaries.
The thing that really caught my attention in this video is Wendy's "unleashed" phrase... doesn't help to see the 15 as a unified voice of God...
Very well done! That birthday party had me laughing, and then to see you laughing while watching was even more entertaining. Keep up the good work!
Glad you enjoyed it!
The "Gordon B. Hinckley - Unconditional" source seems to be broken.
Excellent video! I felt your pain during the "Birthday Celebration"
Thanks for letting me know!
In the late 70's early 80's they actually did advertising saying "brought to you by The Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints, The Mormons" exactly like this they called themselves "the Mormons when I left "the church & so that's what I call them now.❤
In 1998 “The Teachings of Presidents of The Church“ series of Manuals was introduced as the course of study material for Priesthood and Relief Society lessons, moving from one Prophet to another each year was interesting at first then, after several years, I was amazed at how wonderful and impeccable each of these men’s lives were represented to be.
Fast forward to around 2013 and I begin feeling very uncomfortable with the level of adoration given to these men. During a lot of this time I was in positions to teach these lessons at least once a month. It became increasingly harder to prepare lessons that focussed more on admiring these men than teaching the principles in the title of each lesson.
So much more to say, but to put it simply, I hated worshipping these men who, as I had become aware, had caused so much harm.
, it's more of a personal bias than the true meaning that you seem to have attached your self too. The purpose of each book is in the intro each chapter moves with that focus Typical hater.... you are!!
If you worshipped these men I feel sorry for you. They would be embarrassed if you felt the need or teaching to worship them. In fact, if you had more record of the Old Testament prophets you would probably realize they had just as many imperfections. The real question is if they are really called of God or not.
@@phillipcook3430quick and easy answer. No. Any honest, unbiased, and truthful understanding of the LDS church boils down to the facts that it was formed by a provable liar and adulterer and has continued its growth into an evil ponzi scheme that propagandizes and extorts its members. It's the proverbial wolf in sheep's clothing Jesus warned about.
By 2013 were you studying your scriptures and praying to God?
@@deepwaterwelldrillersltd5637 By 2013 I felt that these men holding office as prophets and apostles had become more concerned with the law than with the individual. They used guilt, shame, and fear to manipulate and coerce. By 2016 I had concluded that my lifelong indoctrination was a fraud and that there never was evidence for any God proposed by any religion.
Simply put, I believed what my parents believed as most all children do, and I believed it was good until I had decades of witnessing the harm. How could so much harm come from so much truth? Belief disappeared then I became aware that God claims were never credible. Now truth that can be demonstrated in reality, and acceptance of all people who are not harming others gives me much peace.
I can't wait until we can follow a different living prophet and disavow Rusty's petty BS. Joseph Smith himself referred to the church as Mormonism. If it's good enough for him, it's good enough for me/us. 😊
Oaks is up next. He will be announcing 200 new temples his first conference because his time will be limited.
Why will his time be limited?
@@deanabraden9871because he's old.
@frank. and all:
THERE IS ONE. LIVING.
P R O P H E T.
P R I E S T. K I N G.
AUTHORITY
OVER HEAVEN AND EARTH.
Neither HE nor His Name is in or anywhere near this maddmennah calling itself
a church, let alone "the church".
LOOK TO HIM
AND
L I V E
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@@sheliabryant3997amen!!!!
The prodigal son was as loved as his faithful brother.
So the church is ignoring the New Testament as well?
Yep, plus cannot trust the Bible, might be translated incorrectly!!! Holy Spirit can only bring you so much truth I guess!!!😮
Oh my goodness, it is obvious that he is referring to topics such as Matthew 10:34-38.
Ewww. That birthday juxtaposed against the church's underwhelming charity giving.
Also, Hinckley was a shrewd PR professional. He saw the nickname as a recognizable handle for the church in its attempts to raise its own visibility. It was easy to recall, easy to say, already out there in the world. Using it was a way to make the church seem more accessible and more approachable. Insisting on a long, formal name with stiff dignity, does precisely the opposite.
Also Mormonism is seen as its own religious grouping for study within education.
@@AnnaBellaChannel 🌈🌈
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@@sheliabryant3997 Rainbows to you too!
Nemo smacks another Grand Slam. The ball will never be found. RESPECT.
Didn't the church create a policy in recent years discouraging missionary farewell parties to avoid focusing attention on the popularity of the missionary, detracting from their humble service? Yet has no problem lavishing the prophet with rock star status.
Yes, they did unless you're super special like the Roney family in Provo Utah who own New Skin. Their son returned from his mission and yesterday was his homecoming. Tthe entire meeting was focused on him. Elder Anderson spoke and Elder Roney, area general authority, spoke reading his son's mission letters. He ended by telling everyone there shouldn't be homecomings for returned missionaries. Rules for me but not for thee.🙄
Hey, playing the piano himself at 95... Impressive!
If rebranding is Nelson's desire, why not rename the core scripture: 'The Book of LDS'?
Hear! Hear!
Really great episode! Thank you
Don’t forget…in 30-50-100 years….Nelson and many of us will be completely forgotten. Very likely tscc will end up in the dust bin of history….time deals with all these things, like it or not…cheers Nemo!
I guess it took God 4 times to get the name of the church right. It started out as The Church of Christ. Then in 1834-1838, it was called The Church of Latter Day Saints. Then The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. In 1923 it became incorporated. The proper name of the church is The Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
Haha everyone should start calling it that - just to stick it to little man Russ.
Great episode, Nemo! The Nelson/Hinckley feud is my favorite.
I love it. Two Mormon cult leaders fighting each other with useless words
I look forward to what you can do with the feud, love all your videos
@@ryansmith6610 thanks Ryan! Probably nothing better than what Nemo has already done 😜
Boyd K Packer was the ultimate feuder!
@@citizen3902 he was an angry little man
Anyone else think Nelson seems significantly happier now that he's prophet? I remember him being so serious whenever he spoke at General Conference as an aposle, like speaking-at-a-funeral kind of serious. But he makes /jokes/ now, and he seems so warm. Also most of the aposles seem so much more cheerful now than they did ten years ago. I find that a little sus that he seemed miserable before but now he's cheerful because he's prophet and he gets to fix his pet peeves with the church. Makes me wonder what the next prophet will make "the lords will." Also for the people who don't know his 100th birthday party was just as weird, if not weirder.
@AnxiousCat-p4n Nelson's wife has actually stated in an interview, since he became President of the Church, that he now feels free to do what he has always wanted to do. Apparently, this topic & the lack of change coming from the leadership above him at the time had been bothering him for quite some time. In fact, this seemed to be at the top of his list of things to fix when he got into his new position.Curious! He must have thought the Prophets all the way back to Joseph Smith had been in error!
I was literally just talking with my family about the number of temples announced vs the number actually in circulation having the potential to pass each other here within a year or so.
Agreed
Nelson: a firework of words, contradiction, self-love, competition of being the greatest, and even bashing against other prophets who he once claimed to sustain so deeply...
Unfortunately, if one is deep in the bubble of this church, he will not recognize it, but sing hallelujah to a the next birthday of a beloved prophet and president.
Thanks Nemo for an entertaining and exciting show tonight. Thanks for your effort and work.
@henk. rmn KNEW FULLY
that he was not only
BOLD-FACE lying in all his effusive blather; he was also relishing the fact.
And further relishing the fact that those to/of whom he was spouting his pedura were thoroughly aware of all this.
And that the gullible masses were buying into his Wonderfulness on the very account of that js
"spirit" he was purveying.
I am so grossed out i could barely sit through that. Nelson is as bad as Spencer Kimball. Nelson's bedside talk he supposedly had with his daughter as she was dying had me cringe so bad, as he listed the things she at had done righteously in her life. He was bragging about himself, not her!
She could go to heaven knowing she was higher than others, because she obeyed him and the gospel. He bragged about how all of his children and their spouses were living practically perfect in every way, according to the gospel rules, cuz of him.
He's a Pharisee to his bones. If I still believed in this crap,i would be running so fast trying to do everything they tell me to do, exactly right, to earn God's love.
Ultimately, it's a life of doing a whole bunch of things you don't even want to do! But you want God to love you, so you sell your identity for it.
IT'S CRAP.
Hinckley's birthday bothered me even tho i was tbm back then. It was hero worship. It was all about him, not Jesus. I thought that was really odd how they exalted him!
But Nelson finally got his chance to be even more exalted than Hinckley. And it's even more gross.
Where can I read about what he said about his dying daughter?
Have you heard his tale about his near plane crash and the woman next to him was crying hysterically but not him- he was calm, due to his righteousness. (Mormon Stories) It’s a faith promoting rumor, er, I mean story.
I wonder if any Mormon GAs have actually read the book of Job.
I was already on my way out (though I didn't really know it at the time, if that makes sense), but looking back, that birthday celebration was another shelf item for me. I more or less thought back to one of my colleagues from university -- the greatest friend one could ask for, one who never judged me for being Mormon but made a point of showing me what a true Christian ought to value. Anyway, I was like, "Oh my God, Dinah was right about us the whole time. We really do worship the prophet." Well done as always, Nemo.
Nelson's talk on Divine Love not being unconditional love WRECKED ME. What a horrible day that was. But also, so thankful he pulled open the curtain for me! He was the great and terrible Oz all along.
Geez, I'm glad I started distancing myself from the church about the time of his 95th birthday party. Glad I missed it. I never was completely comfortable with Nelson, but I thought I was being disloyal and disagreeing with God. Your research and video shows how glaringly self-worship and prophet worshipping it all is. When Nelson opened his hands wide as folks applauded reminded me of the Pope when he acknowledges the crowd. Gave me the shivers. Few American presidents have had such birthday parties. The contradictions and double talk Nelson spits out goes right over most member's heads. Sure signs of blind obedience and conditioning to not ask questions or think. Thank you Nemo for your work to inform us.
I should clarify: I meant no disrespect to the pope, but my shivers were from seeing Nelson do it.
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I always wondered what a Boyd K. Packer presidency would have been like... Lol
I’d imagine if god was offended with the name “Mormon”, he would have told Gordon Hinckley, too.
It's called continuous revelation if you don't know.
A "special" love does not mean more or less. I have special feelings for my son, special feelings for my daughter, and special feelings for my spouse (who I happen to have made a covenant with). It doesn't mean I love one more than another.
Oh my heck. The host of the birthday party lives across the street from me. I didn’t know he did that. He is super friendly. My lesbian partner was excommunicated twice and kept coming back until we left together. Next time he brags about the church and invites us to something, my partner is going to say, “listen, you kicked me out twice, and then I woke up saw the lies and kicked the church to the curb, I’m not going near it again.”
How do you get Exed twice?
@@praestant8 you get exed in your early 20s for being a lesbian then you change wards and they beg you to come back by reading the Book of Mormon daily and praying constantly. You get Rebaptized. Your bishop tells you to marry a man and you will stop being a lesbian. You try that and the marriage is annulled. You switch wards and continue dating women. They excommunicate you again. This was all 30 plus years ago. You find a good loving ward and they tell you to read the Book of Mormon and pray constantly and you can be rebaptized and they let you date women for 25 years. Then you fall in love with an active Mormon lady and attend church together. The ward is lovely. You hear holland’s musket fire speech and you both leave the next day.
Dont get me wrong. Hinckley was a problematic man, but he looks like a hero compared to the Mr. Burns-esque RMN, a clear and transparent narcissist.
nelson carries water for his own EGO only. UTTERLY DISGUSTING !!!!
yea, he is certainly on a humongous ego trip, specially in the temple buiding craziness. forcing all those monstrocities down the throats of nice idyllic communities when most of the neighbors wouldnt be allowed on the grounds much less going inside. then again they could get baptized and forfiet ten percent of all there income, not to mention taking on callings or free labor for the church. they must also turn over their 19 yr old children to waste 2 yrs of their lives at your expense to con people into joining up. sounds a bit like scientology scams.
I'm a little over 28 years old which means Russell M. Nelson has been holding this grudge against the nickname "Mormon" for almost my entire lifetime
I'm learning why I was so confused when I was mormon.
Doritos! You usually eat those on Mormon stories 🤣
I noticed 'Nemo's Doritos' too! He must get his own flavor named after him!
Perfect example of why the church is led by men and not prophets of god. The creator doesn’t flip flop depending on the “mouthpiece”. 😂 i.e. Blacks and the priesthood, polygamy, word of wisdom, blood oaths and other temple changes, adam god doctrine… it’s all made up malarkey 😎
This is one of his best videos…extremely insightful, relevant and poignant (yup I used it). The inconsistency, maneuvering and lack of true devine revelation is comical. I truly can not stand Nelson. He’s arrogant, exclusive, bigoted and just a bully.
The official name of the church is a heated debate among GAs. Hinckley and Monson always said they liked the term Mormons to refer to church members.
I'm completely dumbfounded by that birthday celebration.
I've heard stories about the basement of the tabernacle!!! If you think they are joking they are not. I believe Cathy O'Brien is a good one to listen to.
I've been watching some of her videos just today. I'm looking for the one where she testifies in, I think, a British court, where I thought she tells about stuff in the basement of the SL Temple. She said it's been censored. I wasn't aware of the tabernacle. I did find a book on Amazon by the same name as the video. Trance- formation of America.
@@zenda.rawlings yes, I've heard that one many times.
You guys stop rumor mongering
@@deepwaterwelldrillersltd5637 you need to stop destroying the earth.
They may opinion differences as Paul and Peter in antiquity… who in the world has a 100-year old leader that keeps his marvels…Russel Nelson is my prophet… I was born in Guatemala, teased, mocked and ridiculed as “the Mormon” … you have no idea how may pranks, laughs and mockery I went through…. For many years I labeled myself as follower of Christ and member of His church…. I understand my prophet…
Didn’t Wendy Nelson realize how damming her comments are toward Mormonism?
As someone who will be zoned for the Lone Mountain temples, the church will not sacrifice its position as a good neighbor and as it has been passed, they have agreed to change certain parts, such as steeple height.
Your post will not garner likes or comments on this channel.
The target audience comes to Nemo to have their views validated.
Evidence against any points in the video are dismissed by followers of this channel just as easily as active members dismiss criticisms of the church.
Rusty has been beating the name of the Church like a boy caught stealing! Wife Wendy confirms what we all know, Russell is following his own agenda! So much for Jesus being consistent! If Jesus really talks to these guys, He’s one wishy-washy god! This religion is man made!
Great work Nemo!
You know if Nelson really wanted to get his point across he should be using the Lord's "real" historical name "Yeshua"
So really the name of the church should be called.
"The Church of Yeshua" or if you want the extended and in my opinion over lengthen title "The Church of Yeshua of latter day Saints."
Jesus Christ is not the Lord's actual name. Its just a title the romans gave him to best understand him.
The words "Jesus" and "Christ" are just as much as nickname as the word "mormon" is.
Which if you really think about it, Nelson is just a hypercrite.
Thank you for all your doing, Nemo. The technique of playing the prophets’ own words Alongside thoughtful and reasoned commentary is highly compelling.
Thank you very kindly, and thanks for your donation!
I like Russell M Nelson, but I as an outsider I really appreciate that Hinckley wouldn’t have angrily corrected me for asking if he’s Mormon. Bro I promise I’m just curious about what ur faith is 😅
I'm curious why you like him. To me he comes across as a creepy, cartoon character type bad guy, with an obvious lack of warmth, spirituality, sense of humor, kindness.
No one is more beloved by oneself than Russell M. Nelson.
Agree
Ya, very uncomfortable when it looks more like Prophet-worship. I’ve often wondered how this could impact a new investigator.
Glad to see that the doritos seem to be fueling your video editing session!
Always!
Send more jammy dodgers!
What's your point in making this video? Is it to sustain and support president Nelson as the prophet of God or to discredit him as the prophet?
If you're not allowed to critic your religious leaders, then you are in a cult
@@JC-be5cc I never implied he couldn't. I was simply asking what his motives were in making this video, so that I have a better understanding of it.
How did i miss that party? Oh yeah, i left the church. That is a party that Saddam Hussein would covet.
Same😁
First person to stop clapping gets excomm'd!
Check the one for Ezra Taft Bensons 90th birthday in 1989
Put aside the fact that TSCC is false: when did the “hero worship,” of the Q15 start?? It feels insidious and makes my skin crawl.
Hey Nemo, I just want to thank you for this. This is the very first video I shared in my personal fb page, it was well researched, short, to the point, not pointing past prophets of the 1800s (because you know... The past is past🙄) and on point, one of my big beefs with the church since as a tbm, hinckley was "my" prophet. I don't think this will hurt my family and will provide some understanding to those that care for me. Super grateful, you can't even imagine. 💚
It’s my pleasure, thank you for letting me know!
@@NEMOTHEMORMON I should know better! This video still hurt my Mormon friends and family. The old me would take it down, the new me is leaving it on there. Thanks again. Trying to explain you are not an anti Mormon and still go to church and your research is 100 % on point, and that I'm not just believing you, I have known this for a few years now, having researched on the church's website. The video will stay there. I'm tired of being silenced. Carry on your good work!
I love President Hinckley. Thankfully, his words never caused myocarditis or worse. This can't be said for RMN. He needs to apologize to those he hurt and ask forgiveness.
What is the issue on the Mormon name?? We have been using it for a long time!
So we have been doing it all wrong all this time??
Ridiculous
Wendy said it all right after her husband was name PSR, “Now he has the power to do anything ….he couldn’t do.”
Please include the full quote from sister Wendy.
Furthermore, her around the World trips shall cease, once she becomes a widow.
I love the Animal Farm reference at the end!
I wish I could like this 100 times. Every Mormon should see this. So well done, Nemo. What an insane exhibition of spiteful narcissism. Yuck🤮
10:16 this 95th birthday celebration is at disgusting display of self Idolizing and praising. I think of all the people who go hungry in order to pay their tithing only to have their money used for this prideful spectacle.
“songs of glory unto thee“? It’s a birthday party for President Nelson and they’re singing this song and others that are supposed to be praising God and Jesus, but it sounds more to me like they are praising President Nelson as if he is there equal. I believe there is a commandment against this.
I thought gods anointed were above competition and jealousy but …..
way to throw shade on hinckley and monson ... a major victory for rusty
I think its ludicrous that he celebrates a birthday in such fashion.
hmmmm did christ celebrate his birthday in that way??? and this is the church of JESUS CHRIST of latter day saints???
That birthday thing was disturbing.
Agree
Check out the one for Ezra Taft Bensons 90th birthday in 1989 as well
To adore a human being as a God is not emotionally or mentally healthy!
The fact that he accepts this adoration is telling.
1:01 When Nelson says the prophet is the Lord’s anointed, is that literal, as in he has received the Second Anointing?
That birthday was definitely profit worship. Absolutely insane to think it was about Jesus Christ in any way shape or form.
Thank you for bringing up the covenant thing at the end. It's long been a problem for me when people say you receive more of God's love this way. There was a time in my life where I felt unworthy of God's love, and He reached out to me. In my understanding, it had nothing to do with covenants or worthiness. In fact, it was clear that He just loved me. That simple. God loves us all.
This was brilliant Nemo! I had no idea there was an on going feud between these two Prophets. Nelson’s 95th birthday was egotistical with a dash of narcissism! Thank you for always bringing this stuff to light!
There is not a feud! Nemo is really stretching here.
@angie. Whether a feud or
not, they were each
as arrogant as each other.
Best video ever! Hope you had lots of Jammie Dodgers!
Very well done video Nemo.
Thank you kindly!
Very well done as always. Many thanks, and RIP Boris.
Unnecessary. Money could be better spent helping the afflicted in the world.
Or give to nemo as he repeatedly asks!
$2 billion given last year wasn't enough?
Thank you Nemo! Once again you knocked it out of the park. (That's a reference to the American game of baseball, which means you did a phenomenal job :)
Sorry, Nemo is somehow butt hurt snowflake ❄️. 🤠🇫🇮😊
I love the yanksplaining to a brit. Makes me giggle every time.
LOVE Love love the Out-takes of RMN's 95th Birthday!! Getting tele-evangelist mixed w/ Disney Vibes!! 😂😂🤣🤣
I admit regardless of his flaws or my membership or activity I am a Hinckley Stan IRL
The longer I'm a way from Mormonsim, the weirder this shit seems. Keep smashing it Nemo. Love what you're doing bro
I'm not sure how I missed that behemothic birthday bash ... But I'm glad I did.
I missed it on purpose.
His appearance at the last general conference is suspect. No one was allowed near him except the GAs. His talk was AI or CGI enhanced.(you can see the wheelchair back hid in the "big red chair" and we know AI can copy speech flawlessly. All his wrinkles were gone and he looked 20 years younger. (body double and they couldn't find someone old to take his place. Appearances since then have be limited (limited contact, no one on one) For all we know he died last year when he fell and the corporation is putting on a show so it appears that he has lived to be 100.
It's already a freak show.
They would have to admit his death to the insurance company for his policy to be given, they'd have to identify his death to the US government. Since we know they lie a lot though 🤔
However I think the "next" prophet would probably be really annoyed that he was forced to wait his turn an extra year. Doesn't mean I don't think you've got a point, just a lot of variables to include.
I didn't watch conference, but I've heard others say the same thing.
@@SeaSkorpion they wouldn't have to say anything until after his 100 birthday. They have "paid" doctors who would certify the date they want. Considering the next president is Oaks and has the same agenda Russel has I'm sure he'd do what was best for the corporation.
@@user-ql2id3ml3i very true, which was why I said it was a valid point. There are just a lot of factors involved in doing it. Yet the only real value in doing so would be so that the "prophet reached 100 isn't that amazing?" Really since Oaks is next in line and agrees with Nelson, that's really the only value in doing it. Doesn't mean they didn't, just why bother?
People can't help but reveal themselves.