Integra Type S vs Civic Type R! In-Depth Walk-Around At Honda HQ Japan!
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- In this episode, Yushi and I check out the new Integra Type S at the Honda Welcome Center in Aoyama.
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Albo already made up his mind biased towards not liking the Type S before even visiting. I did the same thing until I saw it in person. Honda/Acura is still trying to find their way in the Type S vs Type R branding and I appreciate the effort. It's weird to have a Type S more expensive than a Type R but we will get use to it if Honda gets their branding reinforcement correct. BTW.. I agree with his friend. The FL5 is race spec so people need to stop complaining about harsh suspension lol. If it's too harsh for you buy a Type S. Race vs Touring.
Like the FL5 is for me. The ITS is perfect for my wife.
Yushi looked so offended when you brought up that sushi analogy 😂
Haha so true 😂. This he does after he says he's gonna buy and Import d car to Japan.
damn albo pretty hardcore biased here lol. Yushi doing his best to be objective lol
Albo hella hating on the Acura lol
He is lol he ordered a fl5 lol it makes sense
He can’t get the Acura anyway. Gotta hate on it so he doesn’t feel like he’s missing out. Yushi has the right mindset though. Different strokes for different folks.
Lol Albo sounding SOOO defensive off his FL5 decision. Don’t get me wrong, I think the FL5 is the better car, but the “Haterade” is definitely dribbling down his chin regarding the Integra lol 😂
PS, there’s no lack of heritage when it comes to the Integra. And the fact that it’s North America only will make it even more special when seen in Japan 😬
Here’s the thing. The Type S branding, as it pertains to North America, was made for Acura. If you’ve been in the Honda scene here for the last 30 years, you’d know that the heritage the Integra Type S carries is from those past models - The TL, CL, and RSX. That lineup again is North American only, and frankly holds weight with American tuners. It’s easy for Albo to dismiss because he’s not in the scene here. Both cars are great and represent their heritage as Honda/Acura intended. Drivers choose what model works best for their own use case.
I'm with Yushi on this one 😊. I hope the mark up will not be as bad as the type R
Some are selling 20k-30k above sticker price and some are selling at MSRP, like the type r, you have really search for it.
Hahaha the back and forth is funny.
Both iconic cars, but the FL5 hands down 🏆🔥
1 minute in I almost spit out my food laughing when Yushi began talking, but the microphone was deep fried and underwater sounding 😂😂😂
Darn tech always acting up when we need it most!
Yushi s insight is spot on type r is a race car pleasure car needs to be comfy especially if you’re roads are bad ! So for me it would also be the integra but the type r is a legend and the one you would love to hand down to you’re kid
They didn't make the Integra Type S to compete with the FL5. Acura vs Honda is like someone punching themselves in their own face to see who wins the fight. Lol.
I’m biased I’d choose the Acura because I have 3 of them currently. My 2005 is known as the Honda Legend; here in the US it’s labeled RL AWD. My other 2 were made in Marysville Ohio. They both are the TL TYPE S 2007 WDP and 2008 KBP👍
The bias here is quite funny.
Type S for the 90’s kids and Type R for the current kids. I’m waiting for my Type S allocation should be here in less then 6 months!
Loving the daily uploads bro! You should try and get down to Ebisu and get some drift lessons with the SideXJapan team 👍
I like the typeS over the R. Auto seats, more horse power, heads up display, more Mature look (No ofense to the 10ft spoiler on the fl5 but if that floats your boat go for it). Forgot more comfortable seats since I will daily drive the shit out of mine. Just wanted to focus on positives and not so much negative.
ofc fl5 owner wont like type s just like I think fl5 looks a widebody accord to me and I own fk8 if I would choose out of the 3 I would get type S exerior with fl5 interior. Yushi know's whats up Albo trying too hard here lol
That trim around the shifter in the FL5 is plastic not aluminum….
Awesome video as always Albo. FL5 all the way.
All I know is one of them is capable on the track and the Acura is a softer suspension and luxurious. The brand Acura came to American in 1987 and you know Acura does racing in Lemans etc👍
Hey Kuya Albo I know you're gonna somehow see this even tho this vid is a Year old I’ve just watched your current upload with the mini road trip / Touge run with the boys if Yushi ever gets the Type S you 2 should have a Touge run for sure and if he allows you to drive the Type S It would be an amazing vid to compare the Fl5 fully with the Type S that would really be a fire future vid 🔥💯 FL5 vs Integra Type S part 2
@@JdmDriftBoy86 fr man
You guys are very lucky to have visited the Honda HQ.
Given how well my 11th gen Si is treating me so far, I think it's just a natural progression to get the FL5 over the TypeS, but I won't mind driving both just to absolutely satisfy my curiosity
I'm going have to disagree with you, Albo. Acura, as a brand, have always been luxury (re)brand of Honda and this particular Integra/DE5 is cater towards the North American market. The type s of the past have always been suited for spirited street driving than on the track, from my point of view. I think the DE5 will age better compare to that of the FK8.
I am curious what u mean with your last sentence. Till today ppl give me the looks and compliment my FK8 that it looks nice.
Dont get me wrong I am not a fan of the rear but the rest still turns heads.
I love the more aggressive look of the type S than the fl5….I still see a Honda Accord with a spoiler in the fl5
I love the different take by Yushi
CTR is definitely the one I want between the two but realistically the Integra would suit my life better. Softer ride + premium feel are things I know I’d appreciate in toronto rush hour.
But we rarely buy things we need and always get what we want despite the compromise. that’s why I daily a GR86 and yes, it definitely sucks doing the work commute in it but worth it for the fun drives in between.
Hanging out to receive my Type R. Deposit put down in July 2022. Originally told was going to get it November 23, but luckily it is now due in August. Going to dealer tomorrow for more updates.
Its always a good day when albo uploads💪🏾
The best way to sum up the difference is:
CTR = Track car you can take on the street
ITS = Street car you can take to the track
That Integra Type S is insane
The Type S is way nicer body then the Type R honestly.
"Simple" is just another word for cheap looking. But I get it, it has the 90's/early 2000's cheap plastic yet spartan feel. I have an r33 GTR and S2000 and the "cheap" plastic doesn't not really bother me too much. Although, I wouldn't mind it if it was more refined like the Type S either.
This was hard to watch based solely on the fact that Albo doesn't want to like the Type S. Having the Type S in this video was pointless. He hates on it the entire time. I've owned a Boost Bue Type R and traded it in after 6 months. That car is a race car first and a street car second. The Type S solves every problem most people have with the FL5. It's all about what you want out of the car. I would also like to point out that the FK8 was a better Type R than the FL5 due to the suspension being a bit softer.
I kinda want the integra type s to be sold in japan as a Honda integra type r because it shares the exact same engine as the CTR plus it would be nice to see another Honda wear the type r badge, wish the 2022 nsx was a type r instead of type s
Dude, your bias is sooo ridiculous on the Honda type R. It's a Honda and the ACURA is the Premium brand by DESIGN. The ACURA is the better car! The Honda is the brutal riding track car(check reviews)..by design. If you're good with that ..kool . but that's not what sells cars. (ask Porsche. You need a real car that 'strikes' the balance ) Keep in mind this was all BY DESIGN in the product planning. For the record when you've owned a bunch of cars 'maturity' sets in...You want a car that is good looking and can perform on that 1-day or 2 days in the year when you go tracking....heck you might even get a real track car like a PORSCHE. So yeah there is no doubt the ACURA type S is better looking, cost more ,is better equipped (HUD etc.), has a lot of things deleted for "weight savings" and is cooler without a 'BOY RACER black wing' etc. .it's a success!.
ACURA you did an amazing job. Ohhh and if you can build a world class ACURA NSX in ohio I'm sure you can build a simple Integra /type S to similar standards...God Bless AMERICA!
So in 25yrs, japan we go crazy importing Acura Type S from USA ,over there 🤣🤣
we need a 2 door version of the type s. maybe with slightly different tail lights, so people don't mistake it for a hyundai genesis
Hating it until he drives it ,he'll probably sell his S 2000!
The integra type s looks more aggressive and mature, just better overall. Id still prefer the type r because it’s more purposeful. It’s more raw and edgey.
I’d buy the Acura for the more comfortable street use and I heard it is better acoustic isolated. Which is a chronic problem on Hondas I had. Also the exhaust sounds better.
Thats so backasswards from what the Integra was. It was always the more powerful More Sporty Civic.. not the "Cadillac" of the Civics..
@@crisnmaryfam7344 true. But I think Honda reached peak fwd performance with the FL5. So they’d have to go awd with the Acura, and I’m not sure sales would justify that investment.
@@crisnmaryfam7344the original integra was a nicer civic
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It's a damn shame they didn't make that Civic type R in a two-door hatchback I'm getting real sick and tired of their four-door bull-$hit and too many years have passed hopefully one day they'll get back to it.
1. There is currently no two-door Civic platform to base your suggested Type-R off of, so Honda would have to develop it from the ground up. That would cost an exorbitant amount of money to do, which would invariably increase the selling price even more. If you want a 50-60 grand base price for a Civic Type-R, then that's how you get it.
2. Even if Honda did go through all the trouble of developing a two-door Civic Type-R from the ground up, it still wouldn't sell in the quantities Honda would need in order to justify the costs to produce it. You have to remember that these cars need to make some amount of money if Honda is going to continue producing them. Otherwise, what's the point in them even doing it in the first place. You can say it's for brand image and the enthusiasts, but ultimately, that doesn't pay the bills. Honda needs to make money, plain and simple. If they don't, then we can forget about ever getting another Type-R ever again. They'll go the way of Mazda and just not offer anything truly sporty anymore. What's the fun in that?
And you wouldn't buy one even if it did come out
I like the jacket albo! Do you have the link where you got it from? if you don’t mind me asking…
thanks for the great vid bro
Great video, very informative.
The stock exhaust on the Acura Type S sounds better than the FL5 and FK8. Wish the Type R had that exhaust note.
The FL5 being a global release is mos likely the reason why the exhaust note on the FK8 and FL5 sounds so tame--to meet local laws.
Hey everyone, I'm visiting Japan next year and I want to see the nighttime street drifting and touge scenes. Can someone help me find out how I can visit and see these events or even join them
Daikoku PA. U need a car tho
Acura is technically an American brand and the ITS is technically an American spec car. it’s not considered a JDM so Albo doesn’t like it. 🤣
Where is Yushi originally from? Trying to work out his accent, his English accent sounds similar to Australian?
if ur lookin for looks, better stock exhaust system, dampening comfort, better interior livability(els, more sound deadening, heated seats, sunglass holder) & lesser markup(us customers) then, DE5 all the way. for me the exhaust alone won me over; my dyson sounds better than a stock FL5. everything else is the same. suspension wise, aftermarket can get it to ctr specs for less than 3 grand.
performance wise, midrange DE5 pulls a bit harder. the engine tuning acura did makes the drivetrain feel less lazy in the lower rpms. the FL5 is lives happily more in the higher rpms.
BOTH CHASIS R GREAT. me personally, not that worried about historical value 10yrs down the lane. u never know whats gonna happen
The civic looks more luxurious than their luxury brand 😂 the integra just seems like a quick cash grab for fan boys
Luv your content. Here are my thoughts.The problem with the FL5 is that in the USA market the Honda Dealership marked it up 10k plus. So it's a 55k plus car. I am an FK8 owner needing now to get a more mature looking car. But getting an FL5 is almost unattainable at Honda's real market Price. I am glad that Acura came out with a car that gives a luxury/ race car feel that can be obtained at MSRP lower then the FL5 adjusted market cost in the USA. Also if we talk about heritage the Civic and the Integra came from the same platform. But had slight differences. To say someone is not going to appreciate this car 5 to 10 years from now is not correct. Today 20 year old integra's are highly saught after. The new Type S is also coming from the same platform as the FL5. But Acura wisely made adjustments. They did not badge the Integra as a Type R but a Type S. Like all Tuners you can adjust the Type S car to be a race car if you want to. I test drove the Type S today and am surely glad I can get one. Really sad that the Japanese market does not get this option. I think Acura should be celebrated for making a car with a different flavor. The type R and the Type S are the last of their kind and should be equally celebrated for what they are. Generational manual cars that will not be seen again in the near future.
well said. just look at the Acura Integra type R for the US market. I would say it's probably the most valuable and iconic USDM 4 cylinder Honda/Acura right now.
The Type S is the FK8 version of the FL5 with the “tacked on” fenders. I want someone to compare the FK8 and FL5 on track with the same tires.
the fact that it’s a North American car so folks in Japan will have to import it. I love the irony in all of this. Lol.
traded my fl5 for integra type s, im on the streets more than im on the track, plus integras faster and same lap times on the track.
All I know is one of them is capable on the track and the Acura is a softer suspension and luxurious. The rand Acura came to American in 1987 and you know Acura does racing in Lemans etc👍
I love them both for what they are but I lean more towards the Integra Type S only because im a big fan of IMSA WeatherTech series and have been rooting for the Acura Type S GTP cars
Dude hating on the type S. The ITS looks so much sexier then CTR. Listen to the ITS exhaust.
Same thoughts than the fl5 it’s too big, not a coupe like the new civic isn’t a small hatch anymore. It’s juste a big, heavy, no soul car.
I feel like the Integra might be the new "G35".Like ive seen a few on the road, but they all been crazy drivers swerving through traffic and tailgating traffic.
I Agree with Albo 100% also the Fl5 is assemble in Japan 🇯🇵❤️ the acura integra is assembled in USA 😢
The fl5 engine is made in ohio
he's on point for luxury cars, that you want the latest and greatest. but for driver focus cars, like S2000, NSX, and this type R, people tend to hold on to them as long as possible. It is the driving engagement, that luxury cars couldn't compare. I am holding on to my Type R, as long as possible. You wont find anything like that once everything electrifies.
I love Albo hating on it so I could buy it at msrp or less
Blasphemy! I prefer the type S to the type R 😱 it’s similar enough to the type R to drive, is more useable day to day and honestly looks better. The Type S and R should exist together - they complement each other rather than compete. Honda knocked it out of the park with both
The Type S wins if you wanted to rate by racing performance. Throttle House tested both cars off the line and the Type S slightly edged the Type R 0-60 miles while on the track they both recorded the exact same lap times. Savagegeese had the Type S tested on the Dyno and recorded 336 horses. The better sounding exhaust sells it for me to pick the Type S. Oh by the way, the NSX is also designed and built in America so if it's good enough for the NSX it's fine for the Integra Type S.
Type r is more racing kids childish
Type s is more sport adult luxurious
Either is awesome 🔥🔥
Still love my FK8!!!
I can’t wait till the JDM to start importing DE5s for the front end. My my how the tables have turned. USDM.
With interiors you have to consider your environment. Anything metal is going to burn someone living in the Arizona desert, etc.
Why no negative
If you want the Integra Type S then you’re going to have to order thru Garage Defend and wait it out for the 25 year import law to kick in. Lol. I joke 🤣
I like the type s better than the type r tbh, which is crazy because i still dont like the base integra lol
the type-s feels like they just slapped on faux premium parts on the base model and called it a day
Right!
@@ALBOthey do the same to the type R dont you worry
Type S for sure!
TypeS exterior styling way better than the bland FL5. But the interior of the FL5 is way sportier than the TypeS. This coming from a fk8 owner lol
0:33 HAHAH Yeah ive been avoiding looking at it as much as possible too... Such a disappointment.
those new Honda cars are heavy advrt on youtube . that new "integra" is such a HORSE shtttt
I got type r made in Japan quality control
Integra type s more luxurious.. Type r more to sports/racing version.. Overall type s much more better than type r
First thought was: HMMM OKAY i am suprised . If this is the final product, then yes it looks nicer than all the prototypes they have been showing earlier this year.
And then....
Really? The huge side air intakes are fake again?
Hello overheating problem
But since their car does not seem to be targeted for the audience going on the track and rather having a nice sedan.
This could work out well as a nice sedan but again only 4 seater? hmmm
German sedans used to be too expensive but with the new prices with honda ..... there are literally no arguements anymore.
But hey since the car will be only sold in the US. Americans can decide. The car would clearly make no sense in the EU.
Actually one question left? They still offer only manual?
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Watch your RUclips videos.
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FK8 and FL5 over the Type S.
FL5 Type R is so cool
I only wish they made the Integra Type S as a coupe liftback. That would've made it the perfect affordable modern sports luxury car in my eyes. I also wish the CTR came as a coupe hatchback. Both 10th and 11th gens.
Then again coupes don't sell enough to justify it.
@626KiDD true, but neither do manual luxury vehicles. All the competitors (mercedes, audi, cadillac) are making automatic vehicles in the same segment/category cuz that's what sells to that target audience. Don't get me wrong, I love what they did with this new Integra Type S, but to me it feels like they just half-assed it trying to please everyone, when they could've made something truly special and timeless that maybe only a select few would've really loved and appreciated. But who knows, this is only the first year of the new Integra Type S. Maybe they'll come out with something even better in a few years.
I like the idea of a comfier touring type r such as the integra type s, but the front grill is so ugly it hurts. FL5 all day.
So biased. 😂
Yes he is hating a lot…maybe he can’t buy one.
(heehee, before I even get going, just going to re-vent that these are not what I'd want when they say 'Civic' or 'Integra.' When they say those names I want a *little* or a *slightly less little* one. That said, they could be OK in the medium-biggish wagon kinda slot for me. I mean, I also like wagons. And I'm not in love with the looks of either, but considering what's out there, eh, OK. (And the darker red seats are less garish but I'm like, ehhh..
(Also for your friend, dealer markups in the US especially for a performance model of anything are *ridiculously out of hand.* )
I imagine between the two marques, I could find a spec I could accept. The Civic R is nice but looks like a fricking Dodge truck up front, but if I needed a 'new big car' ...maybe. I just wish the automakers would stop limiting what they build to 'what most people will settle for' and instead make a bunch of *different* car forms just how people want em. Like they used to in some respects.
As an aging GenXer we're getting the opposite of the 'cars of the future' we were kinda promised, where they were saying 'With modern organization and some modularity, you can get anything you like in any color you like all specced like you want,' and instead it's all 'What people will settle for.' (And I guess not being a Honda fangirl, I could see the bright red seats and Championship White maybe being fun in a little car, but in a big one I'm kinda like, 'Eh, that's potentially kinda-sad, like putting racing stripes on a station wagon.'
And I don't mean to sound that down on these, cause they're trying at Honda, and by all accounts, they're excellent cars of their kind. And despite seeming kinda too chonky for Japanese roads, I'm sure they're a wonderful choice for a young car guy with a growing family like you. And it's obviously got stuff you love, so don't let a cranky old punk chick spoil *that.* :)
I dont know man. Japanese cars got nothing on porsche, audi, bmw or mercedes. Other super cars excluded, alot of them also look nice but nobody can afford them
The Type S exists because US Acura wants their own car, but they don't have the budget to do the way FL5 is done(and tbh, FK8 was not like FL5 neither). Honda moved the FL5 to Japan and invested tooling for a new body in white with unique body side stamping and unique doors(really $$$ from an investment standpoint), the Integra doesn't have that budget. So they executed the same way FK8 did(FK8 rear fender is the same way the Integra is, with stuck on extension on metal body in white).
FL5 is in many ways much more special because you can tell Honda spent more money on it than they did in FK8. But Type S isn't any different than how they executed FK8 before. My biggest peeve with the ITS is it doesn't have the nicer seats and interior difference to regular Integra. And in US it costs 7k more MSRP to CTR with less special features....It probably will be easier to find without markup than CTR but it also costs $7k more....
I just got my FL5 coming from my FK8. They feel from a driving standpoint, very similar car. All the steering, shifting, control weight all are similar. The 11th gen Civic is nicer than 10th gen though, the infotainment is so much better, and I feel like the interior visibility is better, somehow feels more airy and like older Honda... Interested to find out long term after having chance to work on it if its better in terms of build quality. FK8 was fine, but I think its pretty poorly built in many areas, and my comparison point is Mexican Build VW GTI. Interesting to see if a Made in Japan Honda is as good as their rep...
$5k-$15k markups so far in the east coasts. I’m not paying a dime over msrp because markups are for suckas.
I agree.
2:54 So a Type...." L " for Luxury. Not S for Sport. Maybe Im missing some Japanese to English failed translation here im not aware of. Does "S" somehow link to luxury in Japanese?
My opinion the integra should be a coupe and have a 4door version like this but the focus should be a coupe version .
Bias lol
Albo is spot on … “Type S will not age as well”. Unfortunately, the Type S has too many embellishments. The Type R is cleaner and simpler and good design always is just that, and that will stand the test of time. Besides, the red seats alone are legendary. :)
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albo is an integra and acura hater, shame on you!
I actually love both, just this ain’t it
@@ALBOits the nicer version of your FL5 idk whats the issue
The Type-S is a Type-R but for grown up. The Civic is too childish.
Kuya86 😂
4:35 PERFECT ANALOGY. And says exactly what ive been saying. Its not an integra.
And the fl5 is not a civic it's closer to a euro R than than civic look at an ek9 and fl5 at the same time you're not going to say ahh thats a modern ek9 lol