Hum Audio LAAL Look Ahead Analogue Limiter VS FabFilter Pro L2
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- In this video I compare two audio files. One which has been limited using the Hum Audio LAAL Look Ahead Analogue Limiter and the other using the FabFilter Pro L2. Analogue limiting VS digital limiting. What difference will we see and is there an audible difference.
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Thank you. This video inspired me to come up with a trick using Fab L2 to get punchy masters. I put a first instance of L2 to get the required loudness, set the ceiling to -2db true peak Off, then I put a transient designer as Spiff or Slate digital FG-X to add punch, then a second instance of L2 ceiling -1db true peak ON. The added transients live in the 1db pocket between the 2 ceilings and the second limiter is only there for safety to be sure we never distort. It's a 1 db loudness trade off for punchier master.
wow I just listened to your comparison and it's absolutely night and day. Just when you thought your mastering chain couldn't sound any better.......
It's a really fun video.
When I first saw the waveforms, I was so excited
and when I first compared the sounds, I just laughed out loud.
I laughed until the end of the comparison, and then there was silence...
Really. It's such a different kind of sound, it's so beautiful.
Thank you for making such an amazing video.
Not laughing that much when you see the price:))))
This video is the clear reply to all my struggling about the sound and visual wave difference between my L2 final files and my reference tracks waves. My files was sqared in comparison to the more dynamic commercial references. Finally I discover the reason thanks to your video.
Great channel, thanks
LOL
Wow, it sounds so nice, warm and lively and rounded not square aweseome cant wait for my track to be mastered with your services :-)
It's a noticeable difference when you hear it on your own track. Listen out for how much of the dynamics are retained, but the song is still loud.
That sounds huge. Spending that money means your business is in good shape financially speaking.
I totally agree. The sound of the LAAL is at a different level
This video just changed my whole perspective on audio mastering like💀
Just learnt there is a plugin coming out. Can't wait to compare it with all the other plugin limiters
What settings did you use for L2? How much dB reduction?
Could you share the files?
some may find the visual waveform comparison irrelevant to what they're hearing, but knowing where the discrepancies occur upfront can help to more readily discern the differences. The discerning ear will eventually notice the difference over time. BTW, cool tooling on the waveform analysis. Care to share?
The LAAL sounds so much more alive and organic, 3D.
It's in a whole other league.
Many thanks!
Absolutely spot on. Laal sounds way more “lively” and Pro-L sounds boring and lifeless in this comparison.
However, I’m curious how much of average GR was happening on these because I wondered if LaaL “preserves better” or “adds something”. So I wanted to hear the original, non-limited source in comparison too (at the same LUFS.)
Or you could show the GR screen.
Anyways, I would love you to compare LAAL with Ozone 11 maximizer, or if you’ve done it please let me know what you’ve thought.
I have lots of different limiters I can compare this with. I did all these tests when I had it in to demo. Was interesting hearing how much better it was than any plugin I compared to it. Hence why I made the choice to buy 2. I've had the LAAL for many months now. So, I will update a review with all your above comments included.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio How much of average GR was applied on this comparison, do you remember? Next time, please let us see the GR screen too. Thanks.
You can see this in the other videos I've done on the LAAL. There's a few in the reviews playlist. On average I like around -2 to -4db of gain reduction.
That's crazy. The sound is really incredible.
I have the Bettermaker Darthlimiter. Do you guys still have it? Any comparison between? I don't limit too hard on it. It is more a blend with Limiter + Clipping and than clipping again on the Burl converter. So the job for the final limiting is ITB.
Thx again for this video.
It doesn't make the Darthlimiter redundant but it is a better limiter than the Darthlimiter. The DL has more features so still has its place.
I wish to see the setting of the L2 please.. I feel the TP is on for the L2, the release and attack time matters too. Also, the over-sampling needs to be considered, I use x2 most of the time because IMO it sounds more open, then reduce my output by -0.6. But before the limiter, I drive my mix buss into a very good clipper. All I am saying is, how the L2 is used matters in that dullness we just heard 👌
L2 is run in 16x matched release times and amount of gain reduction.
I'm really hoping the folks at HUM come out with some sort of single channel version for tracking. I'd absolutely love to have such transparent compression for my voice overs.
Fantastic comparison and a very obvious difference. The LAAL actually sounds louder AND more dynamic. I agree, the L2 sounds dull in comparison.
That's interesting and something I hadn't considered. I'm sure they could make a single channel version for this purpose. Cut the cost in half. It's something you could request as a custom version.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio I'll ask when the wallet fills up a bit more but that's a good idea! Thanks Paul!
Wouldn't we need the original, before the limiting takes place, to be able to judge what the limiters actually do? It's impossible to say what kind of colorataion is taking place without the original.
It opens up in a crazy way when you use the Laal.
But...10K, how could it not.
sounds great!!
the device gives groove to the track.. wow
Thanks for this man,
I’ve been getting very tired listening to the L2 and instinct has been telling me something isn’t right. This highlights it, sterile and a little brash.
Ok, so help us out, the LAAL is out of budget for now, can you think of a plug in that might get closer to the squishy feel of this unit???
And also maybe a hardware unit under £5k m?
Cheers again, this has answered a question I’ve been asking for a few months now.
Well the great thing is that soon the LAAL will be released on plugin alliance as a plugin. Even if it is 95% the same you will have a limiter that is top quality. Before the LAAL I would always say stay in the box. I honestly wouldn't say it's worth getting an out the box limiter unless you are buying something as good as the LAAL
Amazing, didn’t think of that. I have the Alpha as a plug-in and I use it as my mastering compressor. It seems to have the mojo of the real deal, although I’m sure it isn’t quite there. From why I’ve read it’s pretty much perfect, except the soft clipper. Have you used it? If so would love to know how it compares.
I have the elysia 500 stuff, which I would use for mastering if I could get the signal to noise a bit better. Will stick to the alpha and look out for this until I can afford the real deal.
This I think is the paradox of hardware now; The plug in versions of the elite £10k stuff is better than most of the stuff under £5k, although it’s nice to have the transformer glow and all that. Cheers again.
@Joseph Riddlestone plugins aren't quite there and do sound miles apart when stacked in a mastering chain. Most plugins are 95% there which over 20 units stacks up to a night and day difference in mastering. If it didn't I'd save a lot of money and only have plugins for mastering. The alpha isn't close at all. The first I did when I got mine was test this and it's very much like the spl iron. One thing plugins haven't avhieve yet is compression and saturation emulation. A plugin is the equivalent to a 2k unit in my opinion. Above that you start to hear big differences plugins can't compete with. If you compare a spl iron at around 4k you'd hear what I mean.
Wow thanks dude, I value the honesty and listening to just a couple of your audio files I trust your ears.
I think the issue I have is, the hardware I’ve used has been old and badly maintained, besides the 500 series stuff I own myself. Maybe not a good comparison.
It doesn’t help that you tube is full of people claiming the hardware and plugins are getting very close.
I plan to get myself the SSL MBP+ and the Museq later this year, you reckon this would be better than using plug-ins then? And a decent mastering chain to get me going?
Gonna try my next EP with you guys, do you do electronica and techno?
Cheers again for your time, it’s appreciated 👌
@Joseph Riddlestone have a watch of my MusEQ comparison video. The difference is small but you can hear it. This applies to the SPL PQ too. EQ'S can be emulated very well. The bus plus is cool. I opted for a Wes Audio NG Bus Comp and it's a lot better.
Thank you for such a cool job - such cool videos!!!
😯 Wow.. Amazing dynamics and feel! I can’t afford one 😢!
Plugin version will be coming at some point.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio As much as I love plugins which do and continue to do a great job for me. They are not everything, no matter what you do you can’t avoid analog.. whether it’s the use of AD/DA converters or at a basic level Speaks, Microphones. You can’t hide from it.. I’ve always tried to use the best tool for the job.. if that’s not possible. Use the people that have.. There is always varying approaches due to budget, space etc..
This is truly remarkable. Is 2024 the return of real analog?
Real analogue never went away. More people who were born into the digital age are realising how much better it is.
True. So much analog done these days is to a price and can really tarnish it's image.@@AudioAnimalsStudio
Hmmm I’m gonna have to try this LAAL limiter out. I really wanna compare it to the God Particle plugin
you must be joking
@@DJURBANBG Now I know what this is there is no comparison
That sounds fuckin amazing! Too bad I don't have $10000 laying around xD.
Hi, Paul, thanks for a great video. Just wondering would you consider to compare Weiss DS1 MK3 with LAAL.
I hear L2' kik and lows slightly pillowy where as the LaaL is clear and punchy in that area.
Thank you very much Paul.
The lows when using the LAAL are very clear and punchy. I haven't directly compared it to the weiss, so can't comment too much on how they compare.
The LAAL sounds so much better. That's wild.
its the icing on your cake ,sounds fantastic ,worth every penny ,a must have in your game .
I'm actually soon sending a song or two to multiple mastering engineers to compare versions. The first guy does use L2 but also a real tape machine post analog hardware. I'm not sure whether tape or your limiter of choice will make the bigger improvement. I'm not chasing loudness, per se. Anyhow I might send you a file in the near future.
Will be very interesting for you to compare. What is nice about the LAAL limiter is the loudness it can achieve whilst retaining the dynamic range.
The LAAL is 10k. There's happening way more than just limiting. I'm pretty sure if you know what you can add with the LAAL since it has more functions, you could pretty much replicate it. Take an SPL Big ONE, some Neve 542's, paired with the Pro-L2 which has a lot of settings and you're probably pretty much there. That said, it's a wonderful device of course.
Tried this using an SPL Gemini, Neve MBT and various different Limiters. None got close really to that instant sound you get from the LAAL. Got closer but not close enough.
@@AudioAnimalsStudioThose are different units but I get your point. I see you reppin' the LAAL plugin that Plugin Alliance is gonna release, not that I would support that company, but that would be great news then if that plugin is gonna become the holy grail of mastering right?
@TheWeazel01 yes different but much closer to the LAAL than the big and 2 542s. What's your issue with PA?
@@AudioAnimalsStudio Plugin Alliance blocked Russian customers from their accounts and ability to buy new software when the war broke out. It's a shame cause they make good software but I won't support that kind of discrimination of loyal paying customers just because they were born in a specific country. They have removed that post from their Instagram but I've seen it myself and even reacted to it like a lot of people.
@TheWeazel01 yes I too saw this and thought it was very unfair on their Russian customers. Especially those who don't support the war. You have a very valid reason to dislike them. They've changed since Dirk left. All gone a bit flat at plugin alliance.
I dont use any limiter on my final mix...I just turn the gain up in Wavelab until it starts to sound distorted then I back off the volume...no need for a $40,000 analog limiter or a cold sounding harsh digital one, either and I have had 10's of thousands of streams without one complaint!!
Can you send me a link to your complaints department?
@AudioAnimalsStudio
When I get a complaint, I'll create one!
@dannydaniel8975 well that'll be why you've never received a complaint.
@AudioAnimalsStudio
No need. Nobody knows if that song was mixed on a $100,000 pro tools rig or a 4 or 8 track cassette recorder.
They don't care as long as you know what you're doing, and the song resonates with them
@dannydaniel8975 100% correct, but they will turn off and not return to listen again if quality is not there. Subconsciously, they know if something sounds good or not. Just because you feel they can't hear the distortion in your music doesn't mean you should not care it's in there.
I would like to see the blind AB test of this ;)
Great reviews! Can you upload the files so we can match loudness in RX and take a deeper listen?
Have a new video going live next week comparing multiple different limiters. I may make a download active.
Very Cool! did you use analogue before you got this?
We have the Bettermaker Darthlimiter but in all honestly Pro L2 is in many ways better than the Darthlimiter.
Do you think the "Dynamic Transient" function is like a maximizer? It kinda sounds to me like that, I love how versatile this unit is. (btw I was thinking how I would recreate a similar and very natural result of LAAL's "Stereo Width" and the "Dynamic Transient" functions, and one of my mandatory tools in my mastering chain is the "softube mm-1" it works for me almost the same as LAAL seems to do, just as a parallel example, that's why I asked tho).
Cheers
Nice video, although I also prefer the LAAL, I think the difference would be less notable when you level match them on LUfs. I think the LAAL would have a half db higher output on LUfs integrated metering. Or are they already level matched on that base?
It seems as the L2 had a higher final output as you can see it has been brought down by -0.7dB. It's the clip gain value in the bottom left of the clip.
This is an advert for the analog limiter, he could get a better sound out of l2 than what he has done in this video. He will get commission on the sales.
great job like always... u have to try the acustica audio limiter eheheh ;) that's really good
Which one? I have the Ivory one that is based on the Maselec MPL-2
Wish you compared smart limit better than l2
What u will do is compare all limiters. How they all compare against the LAAL
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Would you say that if you only had to use a single analog device for mastering, it would be the limiter? Thanks Paul
No, if I could only use one mastering unit I'd choose the Audiotales Designs 1951/1954 EQ. The limiter is great but it's a subtle difference. Far better than a plugin limiter but the 1951/54 make a huge difference that really sets the sound of the song.
Would love ho hear a comparison with Sonnox Limiter.
I think I stop buying more gear and send my music to you for mastering 🙂
To be fair, it works out cheaper
Definitely PROL2 lifeless in comparison.
In almost all cases of comparison, this has been my finding also.
Crazy good but crazy expensive even coming from Poland. You guys must work alot otherwise how could you finance your studio, it seems unreal for someone who is passionate since many years about audio and studio gear but works just from home.
Wonder how it compares to the bettermaker limiter v2
Yes, we work a lot. 2 enginners working roughly 18 hours most days. If you look at our credits, you'll understand how we can finance all these studios. There's a lot of big projects coming through these studios.
Passion is what will get you up in the morning and make you happily work an 18 hour day and do all the extra things you need to do to run a business. Really what's the difference between you working from home or me working from these studios. Not a lot if you built a purpose built room that is accurately acoustically treated. If anything you get to work 30 min before me.
Hello!
Which setting you used on the L2?
Thoughts on the classic Oxford Limiter?
Hi there!! honestly it is superior, no doubt about it... I would love to see how it performs against other lmiters such as the weiss , or Tc electronic finalizer....
And bettermaker
That sound is… an other level definitely :o
This clearly is something plugin world miss. That life control analog have and will always have. I think this even more audible when we achieve high loudness material. And I something feel that the last tool on a "digital" mastering chain should not be a L2 or Ozone maximizer, but more of a soft clipper or soft saturator to "save a bit of life" . I should give it a try to compare how it goes in the digital domain.
Please Hum Audio, do a plugin version for all the poor dudes out there haha
the plugin version is already on the way..
Do you have any experience with the Bettermaker Mastering Limiter?
Yes, have the Darthlimiter and use it with the LAAL as more of a clipper.
The proL2 sounds smaler and LAAL sound and stereo image is beautiful
Yes!!!!!!
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Do a comparison vs the Ozone maximizer next!!
I've done a video compared to multiple different digital limiters.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio can't wait for this!
Sounds like flat filter compared to the other sample. Im afraid to chk the price though
Don't check the price.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio ill take that as a good tip
HI Paul, does it sounds also great for heavy compressed metal music like Septicflesh - Portrait of a Headless Man?
It has the ability to compress audio without sucking the life out of it like some digital Limiters. You can go to extreme limiting and still sound good.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio Ok great to hear. Really appreciate your feedback here. I will get mine next friday and I'm very curious how it will sound for heavy guitar style music like punk, rock and modern metal. One last question: Have you used the LAAL with signals that were processd with a digital clipper. I'm asking because in my current workflow I use a clipper before going into a Fabfilter L to keep the mix punchy. Your opinion would be great to hear.
@Feliks Weber yes for certain songs we still have the Bettermaker Darthlimiter before the LAAL. It is entirely possible to do this. You may find you still want to use Fabfilter as well as the LAAL
@@AudioAnimalsStudio So interesting that this Limiter might not work for every Genre. I guess it will really shine when you do not have a busy mix line Jazz or classic
@@feliksweber8566 it'll work with every genre genre. You'll see when you get it why I say these things.
I would love one! But I need to win the lottery first 😕
The LAAL plugin will come out on Plugin Alliance at some point this year. Doubt it'll be identical, but it'll be 95% there.
I agree but at the price point of the LAAL its performance is what you pay for.
Where do I buy the LAAL Limiter & How much it cost?
It costs around £8800. Best to search online for your shop in your country who can get one ordered for you
Hi, we have distributors and representatives in many countries. Please let us know where are you from.
Best!
Have you had a chance to give an audition to the limiter in the RND MBC?
Personally, I wouldn't. The MBP isn't a good compressor or limiter, in my opinion. It would be a very unfair test.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio Agreed. I have a MBP and I usually only use it for the SFE section and haha.
@Entity same, it's a quality SFE but a very average compressor and limiter.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio MBC limiter is a vast improvement to the MBP btw, especially with the HPF and release time improvements. I use it all the time. Its better than the Maselec MPL2 and Bettermaker ML. Particularly for loud Bass music like Dub as you can fine tune it. But its only good for 1/2 - 1.5dB gain reduction. That said the LAAL will smoke it. I have a LAAL incoming for that reason.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio I don’t think the Limiter in the MBC is the same as the MBP.
so what could the man who has everything possibly get next ?
Some time off
What do you think about the new bettermaker mastering limiter v2 .. any chance you can bring it in a new video.. . I want to listen more of it before i spend that money and of couse i would love to listen a review from someone like you
I like the bettermaker limiter. V2 is a big improvement on V1. I own the darthlimiter which is great and a good improvement on V1. V2 has a few cool advamcemts. So I can tell you now as an owner of the darthlimiter it's brilliant and V2 is an improvement on that.
The LAAL certainly has more "image"; its more in your face and spacious (depth) at the same time. Only took one listen on my average setup, i bet in person at your studio its amazingly drastic.
I was sold on it very quickly
Did I just watch someone compare a plug-in to a €10k piece of hardware?
It clearly sounds more dynamic and open on my ref monitors in comparison to FAB however isn't there a dif of like 8 grand or so, vs the plugin so ya hardware def wins this battle. I would love to see HUM work with Plugin Alliance to make a plugin of this as they did with the Knif Soma EQ for those who cant afford the hardware.
This is currently being worked on. Plugin Alliance have that in the pipeline.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio Hey thanks for the reply. That is awesome to hear they are working on it. Also I know I missed your Mastering Challenge as I just found out. I do hope you do more of those. I also just emailed you via your site.
@vidworxsfx we will be doing more. If you have any ideas for more interactive videos like that one let me know.
At £8790 ill stick to my cracked L2 😅
Its highly stupid to stole thing from non big corporarations, but claiming you stolen it without a sweat is far beyond.
@@CompteGoogle-fz7zj derpy derpy derp derp???
7min video, includes 30second of audio example and 6.30min+ talking repeatedly point lol
If you don't like talking this channels not for you. We do a lot of talking here.
Sound review video here. Very little talking more about the sound. Enjoy. ruclips.net/video/kzJLeJudv-Y/видео.htmlsi=mF5o2Nr1UTSnYM6-