How GOOD Was Rasheed Wallace Actually?
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
- Rasheed Wallace was a memorable figure back in his day. The NBA landscape was a lot different when he played, but he excelled in almost every aspect of the game. In this video, I take a detailed look at how good he actually was. Hope you enjoy!
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Rasheed Wallace is one of the few players in NBA history that managed to fit a team’s (and city’s) identity like a glove.
Detroit had that in the 80s with Rodman and lambeer and than had it again in the 2000s with both Wallace’s
I mean it makes sense , seeing as he's frm philly. And those 2 areas (fanbase and culture wise ) are somewhat similar
@@williefaulker naa the areas are kinda similar. But fanbase wise, Detroit is much better. Philly fans are known for not having class.
The team and city are composed of out-of-control nitwits?
How was his giving up tech free throws, getting tossed, and pissing off the refs a positive thing for winning, again?
Iverson and philly!!!
“BALL DONT LIE!!!!” Man one of the iconic catchphrases Rasheed Wallace had in his career
It’s crazy how his catchphrase is mentioned more than him at this point
@@mattmmixes yeah I know tell me about it
I think he Created the phrase.
I didn’t even know he invented it
😍😍😍
When Sheed got in the post wasn't no blocking that shot his release was so high and smooth
He was an awesome 3 pt shooter with the pistons too
He was Lamarcus Aldridge with an attitude
And he was also diabolic on D . He was mentally breaking many players sliding his feets and never jumping on fakes .
@@XChronicHash waaaaay better defense than Lamarcus Aldridge
@@JSalonsky towards the end of his time with the Pistons, you hated to see him make the first one. If that went in, he shot it all night instead of going in the post where he was unstoppable.
He was magical when he came to the Pistons. I'm from Detroit and what I can tell you is that we were high fiveing each other and enjoying watching the Detroit Pistons. The Pistons mopped the floor with everyone and it was a privilege to watch. Rasheed Wallace is my favorite basketball player of all time.
He’s one of those bigs that would flourish crazy in the league today
You correct.. part from getting a technical every game this days! 😁
True he'll feast every damn big today
I remember Barkley saying Wallace could easily be a HOF if he could control his temper. His skill set was insane even with Garnett, Duncan, and Dirk battling them in the west.
So underrated, even this video didn’t do him enough justice. Rasheed was a monster. Stats never tell the whole story
I agree. He was a beast. I hated him in the playoffs as a cavaliers fan
He was better than Dirk was until about 2003-ish, too. I saw them both play many games live then.
'Sheed was scary af on the jailBlazers - we L.A. fans always knew he could beat us if he wasn't battling the refs at the same time. We weren't worried about Scottie, Damon or Steve...it was Bonzi coming off the bench, and most of all 'Sheed.
Lol you remember in that All star game when they called him bcs KG was "injured" at the last minute and so Sheed did not have the chance to go on the family trip in Dubai that he planned ? He came in the All Star shooting only lefties and looking bad at anyone that passed him the ball . A performance for the ages . Sheed at his best .
Stats tell a Lazy Man's story 😂
@@chaunceybillups5436 🤣🤣 that’s funny
This man balled in Air Force ones and them highs was smacking 🔥🔥
One of the most underrated power forwards. Sadly some people be remembering him for his antics than his game on the court because of media
If they don't at least remember him on the Pistons then they don't know basketball 🏀. Billups might have gotten the finals mvp but Sheed was undoubtedly their best player.
Amazing that his defense doesn't get mentioned enough. Only he and Marcus Camby could honestly D up Tim Duncan
& sheed played against TD in college
Yup! I miss the days of watching Timmy having to earn his buckets against Sheed!
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Kg too
Big Ben can probably defend these star players. 04 Detroit defense was nasty!
Sheed is critically underrated…his problem was that he was too nice and wanted to share the ball and wanted to let his teammates get their touches instead of going out and dropping 40 every night. Yes his problem for not being remembered as a certified baller is because he was too nice and would rather make his team look good as a whole instead of carrying them on his own.
So glad you covered Sheed…was waiting for you to get to him for this “how good was….” Series.
I wouldnt say too nice but yeah he played winning team oriented basketball gotta respect that.
@@ricknydam4705 yeee when I say too nice I mean he preferred playing team ball…he could turn it up another level if he wanted but he would save it till things got personal…players always joked bout not getting him heated where he gets a tech cuz then he would turn it on and take over the game. I think they briefly mentioned it on the knuckleheads pod
Agree. With a different mindset/mental aspect to the game, Rasheed Wallace could have been a GOAT. I still think he is one of the most purely skilled players in history!
Don't know what you're talking about. Any players willing to share the ball instead of scoring 40 is great 👍 and will go further ahead in success in basketball 🏀. You talking nonsense 🙄.
The late John Thompson said it made him mad watching Rasheed play because he wouldn't shoot the ball enough but rather make the best basketball play.."Rasheed please be selfish"John Thompson
It's important to point out that when the blazers went to the WCF, they were not the jail blazers yet.
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the 99 and 00 blazers didn't face legends like west bird johnson jordan jabbar robertson chamberlain and russell
@@youtuber3328 They only faced Kobe and shaq and the threepeat lakers, almost beating them in 7 games. TOTALLY NO BIG DEAL.
@@youtuber3328 what the hell is this comment
@@youtuber3328 at least 2 guys in that Lakers squad are better than West come on
I grew up watching Sheed and Pistons basketball. Can't imagine basketball without him and he doesn't get enough respect. Not a goat but definitely deserves to be in the hof
Me as well I was in high school in Detroit during that time. So nostalgic to me So many memories of that team!
Favorite player ever for me.
I remember first seeing him as a kid. Instantly I knew we vibed. The passion was what made him so special.
Hall of Fame talent imo. Great player.
Sheed was ahead of his time. Elite rim protection + the ability to keep the floor stretched offensively. He's the perfect modern 5.
It’s still insane that he still holds the record for the most technical fouls in a season with 41
Think about all the money he paid out.. We had the Bad Boys of the 1980s you would think they would hold all the Foul Records 😂
Bc now they suspend (after 13???)
That's one every other game in a 82 game season.
He was such a crybaby
imagine if he played in today's game, how may tech and ejection will he get lol
Underrated. Criminally underrated. One of the things that made him truly unique and never seems to get mentioned, is Sheed’s overall talent. He could do it all. Think about it, he was great with his back to the hoop underneath, had one of the best mid-range numbers in PF history, and shot the 3 well enough it was a legit weapon. Very few other 4’s can say that. KG had no outside game. Malone- nope. Duncan- Nope. Dirk couldn’t bang underneath. Sheed was truly unique and before his time. Second, although 19 was his best scoring average, make no mistake, had he been more selfish and concentrating on his own legacy, he could have easily been a mid-20’s scorer. Case and point- look at his shooting percentage during his peak years. He was amongst the best in the NBA. He just didn’t demand the ball and or take bad shots. Folks will never believe this, but that made him a great teammate and player. Another thing I always loved about Rasheed, was that he was a gamer. Bigger the game, better he seemed to play. Late in the game when his team needed buckets he could create his own shot and was clutch to boot. Final point. And this was not only significant, but serves to truly highlight just how great he could be- Sheed was the only 4 in the NBA that outplayed Tim Duncan head to head. For some reason, Sheed just had his number. Going all the way back to their matchups at Wake Forest and UNC. Don’t remember that? Rewatch. Sheed was not a better NBA player then Tim, obviously. But he was the only one that seemed to have an advantage over Duncan throughout the primes of their career. It’s sad the basketball world remembers him in the light they do. Put him in the hall. Sabonis is in. Sheed’s being considered below Arvetis makes my stomach turn. And I know the big guys best years were in Europe. I get it. But if Rasheed was next to him there, he would have been better than him then too.
The fact that his teammate stuck up for him in that first clip is proof that he wasn’t a problem in the locker room
This era would have fit Sheed so well
He'll be banned in this era.
His personality is NOT fit for this era 😂😂😂
@@atribecalledlen3567 because today era is soft
@@jamiekarr3377 lol because this era to soft
When Rasheed said he was number 1 he lied, he is number 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5!!!! 🐐
KRS 1 agrees
@@2pac19Seventy1 hahaha you got it
Sheed was an og for playing in the air force 1s mostly in his career
His PEs are fire
‘Sheed was one of the early stretch 4s/small ball 5s. He really was ahead of his time, very underrated defensively as well. Prime ‘Sheed was a problem for almost everybody
@V. N. Sheed Wallace was a 4 who could play the 5 (like Porzingis/AD)
Dude could block, post up, drain a 3... Really was one of my favorite players of all time!
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Stretch 4 but not small ball. He was still in the same era of PF/Cs shooting from the outside but not small enough to be quick and agile as a small ball team would. Regardless he was still a versatile big who had a lot in his arsenal. He was actually my childhood idol in the NBA because he was just under appreciated due to his on court antics.
This was the beginning of ref softness - throwing Rasheed Wallace out of the game for LOOKING at the referee!! 😵💫
Love sheed forever. He bailed us out a lot in our deep runs. Only thing i was upset by was him leaving horry wide open
I know right!!! Still hate Robert Horry after that shot... :)
Strength of Sheed. As a Piston his T’s came from arguing for his teammates. He was the bomb.
as a 2 way player, he was one of the most underrated players of his generation. as a PF, he had the ability to excel from the mid range while also being able to excel arguably just as well from the 3 point line. he could also post you up, and if he got to that turnaround fadeaway, you were toast. 'Sheed was also a good shot blocker and could move his feet well enough at times to guard agile wings for short stints at a time. very underrated and overlooked as one of the few "stretch 4s" of his generation
In the Pistons years his D was mental violence . He was sliding and sliding his feets all the time and never jumping on fakes . He broke the spirit of many offensive players in that years . Thay hated play agains him .
His bag was deep I just wish he stayed in the post more in Portland. I was a kid calling him soft for not wanting to bang it out in the paint. I'd yell stop drifting as he faded away from the hoop to take a 3. He was unstoppable in the paint.
Other underrated players include Tim Duncan. He's arguably the greatest power forward of all time yet no one mentions him in their top 10. I think people just forget about him. I've even seen some lists of top 20 that doesn't include him.
Sheed was dope. He was one of my mom's favorite players. Thank you Andy
Lol your moms a G
I just saw Dreamcast advertisement on the court in this video. Ahh time flies.
Nice to see Andy do more of his “how great was X player actually” videos , still waiting for the day when he does Mike Miller so I’m hoping for that 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
At one time Mike Miller was the best white American player in the nba ... I thought he was really underrated
@@deseanstamps8902 next to Luke Walton and Brian Scalabrine.
Yeah but it seems he didnt watch Wallace play.. He dead wrong on a number of points in this video.. Probably should have interviewed ppl that actually watched the game during his era..Wallace is a HOFer no question.
might be ripping off Nonstop Sports ruclips.net/video/cAonY2kj2c8/видео.html
...not sure who started first
As great as Sheed was I don't believe he reached his potential. Tim Duncan said multiple times that Wallace was his hardest opponent to guard. He could have been an MVP. He got in his own way, but he had no physical weaknesses.
Yup. It made me dislike him since I felt like he didn't try hard enough.
Sheed was always a team player. He would sacrifice individual accolades for the benefit of the team. Sheed could've been as good as Duncan, KG or Dirk if he wasn't so selfless.
@@drewmow It wasn't that he didn't try hard, he just felt uncomfortable being the go-to guy. His biggest flaw was his unselfish nature
I completely agree with you. He had as many or more moves in the post than either Duncan, while being much quicker/mobile than Duncan, and could run and shoot outside shots or spot up for threes which Duncan never could. While also being a better defender! But he just lacked that killer-instinct, and felt uncomfortable demanding the ball the way he really should have. At the end of the day his unselfish nature was his biggest flaw. That said, in the late 90's he had tons of guys who could score so he didn't really need to be the go-to guy. Between Rider, Stautemeir, Sabonis, Jimmy Jackson, Walt Williams, and Brian Grant, all of them at the time may not have been 20+ ppg scorers anymore, (aside for Rider), but were all 15-20 a game scorers at least. But when they traded most of those guys to get a washed-up Steve Smith and Scotty Pippen, he most certainly should have been THE guy, but between Pippen still trying to be that go-to guy, and then a PG in Damen who was never a pass-first point-guard in the first place, Wallace while still being the leading scorer, never got nearly the touches that he certainly should have been getting. To this day, as much as Portland hated Rider, that trade where we shipped him and Jimmy Jackson, (at that point not quite the dominant scorer than he once was, but was still easily one of the best 6th men in the league while at Portland), to get Smith really sucked. At that point Smith was extremely one-dimensional and wasn't nearly as good on defense as either Rider or Jackson. It blows my mind that most Portland fans to this day celebrate that trade, forgetting that the Blazers got to the conference finals with Rider too. That 99 team really seemed to be on the brink of becoming something special but was absolutely decimated in order to bring in two has-beens in Pippen and Smith. That's just my opinion though
I think Wallace would have been a GOAT if he played a bit more mentally, w/ more patience. Pure skills though, Rasheed Wallace was a fucking monster and one of my favorite players of all time!
Sheed had first ballot HOF lock type talent. I always felt frustrated cuz he would dominate a team one game then appear uninterested the next. When he was on though he was something to behold.
Call me crazy but I’d vote for him over C-Webb for HOF probably. Though C-Webb had an amazing college career (and they consider that).
But OVERALL NBA CAREER I’m taking Sheed 100%
@@RacksonRacksonRibssi would too
@@RacksonRacksonRibsswell they put Toni Kukoc in the HOF, so Rasheed absolutely deserves to be in.
Detroit was conserned about his "character"when trading for him.
Im trying to imagine myself telling that to Dumars, who won championships with Dennis Rodman.
ExaCtly.
"ConCerned"
Detroit went through a whitewash after the Bad Boys retired and drafted mister nice guy Grant Hill, so naturally they were concerned about Sheed
Dumars actually vouched for sheed
Joe D had the perfect coach for Sheed in Larry Brown, and the ideal core of players in the locker room.
Sheed was really good as a nba basketball player Put some respect on his and he great at both ends of the floor No Lie
You a robot?
We need a guy like him in today’s era
I say Durant resembles him the best.
Sheed was an all time great. Dude was intense worked hard loved the game, played at the apex of the game EVERYTIME he stepped on the court. Also, key player on a legendary team!
Sheed kept it real. I was a huge fan of the Portland Blazers roaster from 1999 to 2004
Bonzi, Sabonis, Kemp, Pippen, Z BO, Stoudamire, Sheed and MO Cheeks at the bench.
I just loved how they played great basketball.
He was damn good
This video reminds me of the first time I ever watched basketball as a kid. I was 7 years old when we went on that run in ‘04. I watched the entire playoff run and didn’t miss one game (along with my older brother and father, plus my nephew made it for most of the Finals). Stopped watching basketball until 2016, when I got to watch the infamous 3-1 collapse. Haven’t stopped watching since.
I liked how he's shot went down like no other! Like barley moving the net
Lol always going to be remembered for his Tech just cuz he stared at a ref
Rasheed Wallace very underrated thanks for putting this out
This dude was pure entertainment man. love his game too.
He was the best of all time at getting technicals
I underated him until he became a Piston. I never knew how good of a defender he was.
You payed too much attention to his offense in Portland. He was always a decent defender.
No lie I use to like how the blazers played in the early 2000s
This comment just makes me think you constantly lie
@@_will795 well my friend you are officially a bad judge of character
Blazers then we're so damn deep it's not even funny.... I'm never gonna forget that game when the Lakers brought it back... i was hot... east oakland in this b%tch!!! F the haters!
the 99 and 00 blazers didn't face legends like west bird johnson jordan jabbar robertson chamberlain and russell
I loved Sheed when he was with the Blazers. The Jail Blazers were a fun team to watch, rag tag group that weren't afraid to bang with any team
One of the first big men that could take you inside and then step outside the 3 and shoot. Super versatile and A really tough competitor. He really doesnt get enough love.
Are you related to Kevin Duckworth?
@@MrGuggisberg nah man lol i thought it was possible cause the last name is so rare but my mom confirmed it. Kendrick lamar is also a Duckworth im not realted to 🥴
Sheed shot .635 with his two years at North Carolina, too.
Sheed was great. A guy anyone should want on their team.
When Rasheed was focused, he was always one of the best power forwards in the game
I mean outside of the dirk in the early 00's. Sheed was one stretch 4 who could shoot the 3 ball. He could play the 5 for small and had a great low post game because of his footwork and length to go along with his shooting
Sheed was special, so thanks for doing the video!
I've been watching the Pistons for around 20 years now. Sheed was a reliable offensive piece for the Pistons as they could just feed him in the half court set. He eventually went away from using his most lethal weapon for more 3s (His post, midrange game was elite probably from his high release). As a fan, I always appreciated Sheed, because he always spoke his mind and you're right he gave us that edge.
His attitude to me was always a double edge sword. His passion kept him focused and on point in games, but also his techs and foul trouble would keep him out. If he was on the court more, he would have been the finals MVP, IMO. Billup's leadership and floor general status was special for them in that series though.
He was a great player, and I'm glad he moved to coaching as I think a lot of these younger future NBA talents can learn a great deal from him.
I remember Sheed whipping the jersey off the wall and hitting someone right in the face 😂 that's always gonna be funny to me
I've only been watching Basketball for about 6 months and I use your channel to educate myself in the game, You're very knowledgable
Yes, my young NBA fans. Rasheed Wallace is the author of "Ball Don't Lie". I wish yall were around to see the 90s and 00s basketball, the intensity of the game was at an all time high.
It's crazy to think about what would've happened if Rasheed Wallace & Jerry Stackhouse stayed at UNC another year. Vince Carter, Antown Jamison, Stackhouse & Wallace? Would've been one of the most exciting college teams of all time.
He used to give everyone problems my dad played with him in aau and said he’s gonna be a problem in the nba smooth jumpshot elite defender, post moves low and high post, underrated passer overall just a winner on every level wish he was playing today cause he would eat even more in this era
Really, at the end of the day Sheed's biggest, and arguably his only, major flaw or shortcoming, (other than his temper at times), was the fact that he was WAY too unselfish. He was legit unstoppable in the post, freakish athleticism, very quick feet, stronger and tougher than KG ever was, while of course having one of the best outside shots of a big man. People seem to forget just how good he was in the post, he had a huge repertoire of post moves and an unrivaled turn-around fade away. Then of course hw as an excellent defender, he could guard bigger centers while then having the quickness and athleticism to limit KG when he was in his prime, (i say limit because KG was similarly unstoppable so it was literally impossible for anyone to really shut him down, but Rasheed came the closest to doing that in the late 90's and into the early 2000's). When Portland got years after Sheed was shipped away, he was pretty much identical to Sheed physically, but it really took him until the fourth year to really bulk up enough and gain the confidence needed to start dominating in the post the Sheed did. In a lot of ways it was kinda scary how similar the two players were when they each were in their primes at Portland in both the physical sense, as well as the ridiculously versatile skill-set. LA never was as good defensively though, while being a bit of a better rebounder. The only real noticeable difference was that LA when he was in his prime, from like '09 to 2013, he actually had that killer instinct and wasn't afraid to demand the ball and be that dominant scorer that Wallace just never felt comfortable doing, (even though he without question had the skill/talent/ability to do so). Being a diehard Blazer fan, it really pissed me off the way many Portland fans grew to hate Rasheed, and truly sadened me when we traded him for Abdur-Rahim, (who was a great PF in his own right), just not nearly as versatile and was a little more of a face-up PF rather than a guy who could do that too, but more importantly good back a guy down and hit unstoppable baby-hook shots and turn-around jumpers - the way Sheed could. Plus he wasn't nearly the defensive phenom Wallace was, and didn't even stay at Portland beyond that year after he first arived.
One of the best PF of all time So underrated
He still hoops! Went to play pickup at Memohis (he’s an assistant coach there) and he was dawging people!
ive known sheed since he was 15 years old im from philly he used to walk through my block everyday coming from gratz high school. i will defend him till the end a baller who showed emotion and desire to win philly loves you homie big dave erie ave
I feel like he had the potential to be a lot greater than he was. He could literally do everything.
thanks for this video Andy
As always you produce amazing content! Please continue making videos on former pistons player/pistons teams! They are sooo underrated and under appreciated
My all time fav player since 97. Spot on video 🤌🏽
I miss these type of videos and I am a huge fan of Rasheed Wallace. Hopefully, you will go back to these type of documentaries Andy.
Sheed was one of the greatest badasses in NBA history with the most heart of anyone not named Jimmy Butler that I've ever seen. Even when he was a "T" machine in Portland I always felt he was the kind of player that could be a leader because he left it all on the floor every night. I was so happy to see him finally win the big one in Detroit. He fit the team perfectly and made the catchphrase "Bad is Back" matter.
You think Jimmy Butler had more heart than him? A effin travesty @wilson sy get this man milk
U got guys like russ,jimmy,smart,and few more who ik has just as much or more
That Wallace x Wallace frontcourt was special
Thanks for putting together a great video of one of my all time favorite players! Yeah, he was controversial, but hard-working and super versatile. Loved him!
5:51 that sega sports/dreamcast ad in the back hit me right in the feels lol, those were the days
"both teams played hard" is one of my favorite athlete interviews ever. when you force a man to take dumb questions, he is obligated to give dumb answers
Finallyyyy thanks man 🙏🏻💯👏🏻
Excited for this one 😁😄
Another banger from Andy
In 04, when news broke we got Sheed, I immediately thought, "We just won the championship!" Within 10 seconds I picked up my phone and ordered season ticket package for rest of season+playoffs even tho I was broke back then.
Pistons didn't "upset" the Lakers. The 313 already knew they didn't have a chance! Every game was a party. We demolished them just like everyone else.
Just curious, how much did the season ticket cost back then?
@@underpressure07140 I was front row of 2nd level. I think it was about $40-50 each. I got 13 games for the price of 10 package.
@@nathanlawson313 congrats, must have been an amazing experience watching your home team destroy the defending champ live
At 2:20 “While the term ‘stretch four’ was not very widespread…”
I see what you did there sir - nailed it. Lol
Rasheed is one my favorite players. He had heart and you can't teach that. He was gonna play hard to beat, and it didn't matter who he was facing. "Never underestimate the heart of a champion"...
I've always appreciated Sheeds game from afar. I remember some daggers vs my Heat.
Thanks for this vid I heavily appreciate and love The big cat aka Sheed
Thx for the video Andy the 04 pistons is my fav team of all time being that I’m from Detroit and Rasheed is one oft my favorite players of all time love the whole starting 5 🙏🏽
thank you for this video
I loved Rasheed's game. When he was on, he just went off and no one....I mean...no one could stop him. He would be a terror in today's game.
Rasheed was one of my favorite players when I was a kid being a fan of those Pistons teams. I remember a friend in highschool told me he acts like he never committed a foul before I had to laugh. Imagine Rasheed, Dreymond, and DeMarcus Cousins on the same team 😂😭
Need more sheed. Dude is a legend, super underrated
Great vid as always. You should do Tracy McGrady next.
SHEED was dope tho, one of my favorite players and he one of the greatest or arguably one of the best Detroit Pistons players of all time
When Detroit landed him via/trade, he did IT REAL BIG, was the piece of the puzzle needed for the Ring, no Sheed,= no ring
MORE VIDS LIKE THIS ON OTHER FORGOTTEN OLDER PLAYERS PLEASEEEEE
one of my fav players growing up
Rasheed will fit today's NBA game
He would dominate in today’s game
Sheed has always been my all time favorite player ever since middle school when I seen him almost fight at North Carolina lol I know he's not the best player ever but he's my favorite player
Incredibly fair video, goes to show how much media reputation matters.
SHEED is burned in my mind. 11 years old at game 5 04 finals. Never forget it. Thank you she3d and the rest of the men on that squad for giving me such and unforgettable experience.
SHEEEEEEEEEEEED
I love this man's game.
Even before I really knew about basketball like that.
Bro every past good forgotten player you gotta make a video on. Everytime it’s a hit!
Very underrated
5 years from now, some channel makes a video called “How good was Andy Hoops Actually?”
He sounds young, might have to ad a 1 to that 5
I never realize that Sheed is not a hall of famer. He was so good when I watch him. He really made the team better.
He is a HOFer, flat out. I watched his whole career. HOFer without question for those that know basketball and the game during his era.
In his day Wallace was the prototype goal for PFs in the league. Before Duncan can into the League he was top 5 in the league and skill-wise was the best in the league. He wasnt trying to get the scoring title (he could have), he played a team game but was able to cook EVERY SINGLE PF IN THE LEAGUE. If he was more selfish he would have easily been viewed the best PF in the league for casual fans.. Those that watched and knew Basketball knew there were not any PFs that was as good him all around. The only PF that I would take before him is Barkley from that era - yeap before Malone, Kemp, Baker, Weber.
His perceived reputation by casuals hurt his legacy to casuals.. But most people , Like me, that watched his whole career just felt like he wanted to be treated fairly and didnt let the refs be unfair to him at all, while most players just took the unfair treatment provide by the refs -HE WAS ALWAYS A EXCELLENT TEAMMATE. Some people say that he should have taken the unfair treatment, i don't as i believe everyone should stick up for themselves.