WHAT IF? Season 2 Episode 6 BREAKDOWN - New AVENGER Explained and MCU EASTER EGGS You Missed!
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I thought the unusual powers granted by the space stone were unrealistic for the magic stone. Thought Kahorri was unrealistically 4x faster and more powerful than all the other super people.
None of this mattered to me when I saw her rushing through the main world to go obliterate an army.
I imagined ruthless carnage and was disappointed when she just kept throwing 6 people at a time when she had super speed.
Then for the almost first time in the episode, she failed as she was unable to exert enough force to stop the flurry of cannonballs (realistic) but nevermind, her defeat was undone by an army showing up to save her.
It would have been interesting if the rest of her super powered people had adapted to their easy lifestyle so much that they simply were afraid of a war or weren't so overpowered that they were invincible and were subsequently afraid of death... but nope.
Also, Kahorri took a cannonball to the face and her skull was in tact. The space stone, if anything, gives the power to manipulate kinetic energy and bend space. These superpowers should not have granted bullet proof, wait, CANNONBALL proof bodies XD.
If Captain America was bullet proof, he wouldn't have a shield.
If Iron Man was invincible, he wouldn't innovate.
This episode was awesome! Did you notice how kahhori was speaking Spanish when she came to queen Isabella’s court? It was so neat that she was culturally aware enough to speak a language that the people there would understand! She’s a true leader and I hope we get to see more of her in the MCU!
Isabella was a true leader, Kahhori is a power fantasy by a writer who knows nothing about history.
@@pacoramon9468 Cry about it, PACO.
I am curious how she learns languages so easily. Space stone magic?
Cherokee here, the three sisters were in the beginning of the show (bean, squash, and corn) the clay is how the Mohawk say clan.
The art and layout designs for this episode was beautiful, whoever was the head of design for this episode needs a raise. I love how Marvel wanted to be culturally sensitive for this episode and I think they nailed it.
Killmonger would love this story haha
@@srfnsurferI wish I could super like your comment. He would be cheering when she uh oh'd the general LMFAOOO
also, the soundtrack was beautiful
this episode was actually garbage
I’d have preferred it if she spoke English
For me, the best comics have always been about wish fulfilment against power structures; even Superman started out by regulating on greedy landlords and business owners. This was a fantastic example of that kind of story, and I got chills during the scene of all the Thunder Beings attacking the ships and freeing their people. I also appreciated the attention to detail and accuracy.
being indigenous, this really resonated with me, being shaped from clay and the mannerisms of the tribes felt really genuine. i was always told that me and my family had cougar in us. very cool episode!
I loved this episode so much! Kahorri is a badass! As a Native American I am so happy to see characters like this. I had a tiny tear in my eye the entire episode. it is kind of cliche now, but representation really does matter. Devery Jacobs did an amazing job as Kahhori!
I'm not Native but I loved everything about this. The language was especially beautiful.
I don't think it's cliche. If someone thinks representation doesn't matter, they are probably well-represented!
Regardless of representation, if you're doing a series called "What if...", then this particular theme is literally begging for being picked up for at least one episode.
The original inhabitants of America had many unique and interesting cultures, that most people nowadays know nothing about. What would have happened if Columbus never discovered the "New World"? How would the various societies and cultures in America have developed if Europeans arrived to that continent much later? And not as conquerors but just as visitors, traders, equals? Or what if the Native Americans were able to fight back and protect their people and country from greedy conquistadors, as they did in this episode?
For me, as an European interested in other cultures, this episode was pure joy. The native inhabitants of America had a sad fate in the real world, so at least they got their chance to flourish and triumph in this Marvel episode. I especially liked that the episode was in their native language, not in English.
Yeah, kahorri is a real mary sue. soon as she gets to the new land she can use her powers way better than people that could have been there for a thousand years.
@@25Erix especially the part where the natives in the other world spoke exactly the same as her. no diviation in the language at all, even if it was a few hundred years later.
I really appreciated in the last scene that Kahhori was speaking Spanish, that the subtitles weren't just auto translated for the viewer. That she took that time to learn her enemy's tongue, showed she's willing to empathize with them, despite their attempts at colonialism. She still gave them some respect, while firmly giving her peace negotiations. And it made her snappy remarks all the more funny.
Could have done that without butchering the most important woman of the XV century…
@@pacoramon9468she didn't butcher her, just broke the throne
This is exactly what I wanted from "What If...?" from the very beginning! This was a brilliant introduction to an original character! Kahhori was amazing! This whole episode did everything right! 10/10! I need more of this! I also just have to say animation in this episode was absolutely spectacular as well and really shows off the significant Improvement between the first and second seasons!
Are you freaking serious?!
MUTANTS AND MAGIC BABY, LETS GGGOOOOOOOOOO
@@JameslfgsmithHELL YEAH BROTHER THIS IS PERFECT. CANT WAIT FOR ECHO TO GET THE PHOENIX AND MEET THESE FOLK
Exactly
Each episode tops the last one
I see now why Namor hated the surface world so much in Wakanda Forever, seeing Spanish Conquistadores attempt to take over Kahhori's land in the exact way Namor described to Shuri was really interesting and I wonder if that was actually intended by Marvel Studios to set the episode up that way.
That’s a connection I made as well.
Someone mentioned Kilmonger too. We're finally seeing multiple stories have overlap, and THAT is exploring nuance. That is graceful politics.
It’s really the universal tale of colonialism through Indigenous lenses. It’s very very similar to every experience.
I wonder when Marvel will finally show the marginalized perspective of the many other Indigenous tribes who were grateful that their scary cannibal neighbors were defeated by an outside force, and no longer preyed upon their people.@@malonifox
@@unclejames6365 patience, Richard Parker. If you try to eat the world in a day, you'll choke.
The fact that they used the real languages those people would have spoken and not just English, where "somehow they all understand each other", elevated this episode for me. Really good execution
Yes, agree! Using the native languages makes much more sense and it gives the whole concept authenticity.
horrible episode
@@karmaforall18 it shouldve been in english
@@ririrocky1836 Waw what an articulated opinion
@@ririrocky1836looks like you intend to post your cut/paste grumbling under every comment until you find some other whiny person who agrees with you 😂
good to know that Kahhori is indeed brandnew. I was watching the episode with a "wait, am I missing something? I have never heard that name nor seen that character before" in the back of my mind.
I thought I recognized her from Echo: Phoenix Song but nawr, it's just vibes
worst part of this episode is that we'll probably never see more of her outside of this series
@@eloquent_redneck3719 i dont know about that. this was an amazing episode and they would be stupid to not consider a comic iteration.
Favorite episode of the Season!! I'm a native from the Rez and this episode was so cool to see the art being so respectful and entertaining. Especially appreciated how they spoke in their original language. Very good episode. All of those involved definitely deserve a Raise
I thought it was cool how they had the corn, beans and squash three sisters setup in the beginning of the episode
Did the native voice actors sound convincing to you, was it even a real language?
@@kingchaos6050it was, I'm wendat it's a sibling language to mine and I actually almost didn't need the hardcoded subtitles except for expressions that are different. For instance here is one example not being a part of the episode : to say deer in wendat we say two white ears "Oskenonton" and in Mohawk (or Kanienke:haka') their word would translate to it has a white tail.
@@DominicSteMarie thanks for that. I guess the voice actors need more training. I’ve heard instructors of the language, and they didn’t sound nearly as monotonous.
@@kingchaos6050 it really does depend, nowadays we have taken the emotivity of Indo European languages and that's what my language teacher said, rarely would we actually speak in an emotional way back then.
I've enjoyed this daily release schedule so far. I get up early and there's a new episode waiting for me to see. Not sure it would work for most shows but I think it works well for a show like What If?
Also Kahhori is voiced by Devery Jacobs from reservation dogs who's appearing in the Echo TV show
She's also Kanienʼkehá꞉ka like the folks in this episode.
While I can see where you would get the connections between Kahhori stopping the bullets and cannon balls with Magneto, I personally think it's more akin to Neo stopping the bullets in The Matrix.
i literally tweeted the scene with the post "neo circa 1513"
In my opinion Neo doing that was inspired by scenes and panels that had come before, so Magneto takes precedence, him and Polaris had been doing it for decades so it was about time we saw it thru Neo and live action.
There's some other obscure instances as well like anime, but I won't start a Gatekeepers rant ... this time
Yup!
Came here to say this!
The peace offering is called a Wampum belt they are made of shell and are very important for recording history and passing down history
Oh wow! Thank you!
It was more likely a peace treaty.
I don't even know why some "fans" are upset that MCU created an original superhero/character (not based from any preexisting characters in the comics), when...
1. There have been many cases where characters in the comics actually came from show/movies. For example: Harley Quinn, Agent Coulson, etc.
2. This show is literally called "What If..?" and this episode is true to what the premise of "What if...?"
3. MCU is its own multiverse, it could do its own thing and it doesnt erase anything from the comics.
Thank you for saying this! There have been lots of comments on other channels complaining about the very things you mentioned and yet they claim to be fans of the MCU.
doesnt change the fact that this episode was utter trash
@@ririrocky1836 well, it all comes down to preference. It's all subjective. For me, i see some things they could have done better in this episode, but i love the episode overall.
I like how Kahori learns spanish and uses it in her peace request with Queen isabel, this also parallels the head conquistador Gonzalez saying a few words in mohawk (idk if that is the language)
I absolutely loved Kahhori, I need a live action version immediately.
I wonder what her code name would be, if she even chooses one. I'd like to see her and her new friends pop up, literally, in Secret Wars
the actress that plays Kahhori will also play a character on Echo
I think Marvel wouldn't cast her on Echo if they had plans for a live action version of the character
or they just recast Kahhori for live action
@@dimitreze now hang on. The implications are endless. If they do some sorta cross over that soon and she comes with her powers? Or she speaks to Echo thru a portal? What the heck 😭 what if she gets different powers in live action what if what it what if
Could be that actress from the new predator film prey
I thought last episode was the best episode of what if episodes so far, man I was in for an amazing surprise today! I wanna see more of Kahhori!
This is by far the best episode so far in the What If…? franchise ! KAHHORI IS A BADASS !!!! I’m just a regular old American woman, so it’s AWESOME to see different cultures represented and celebrated in the MCU 😍🥰 BRAVO MARVEL !!!! I CAN’T WAIT to see what Kahhori will do next 😃😃😃😃
Being a real native American this episode almost brought tears to my eyes
See i like this. No sloppy seconds. No leftovers. No race swaps (though to be honest T'chala as star lord was awesome.) A wholly NEW character that honestly? Looks amazing. I wanna see more of her. the best part is getting help from historians of the mohawk people to ensure that the representation wasn't ... well...
*looks at superfriends apachi chief*
....that.
INUK CHUK!
Easter egg you missed: The whole episode was not in English, but only steven strange talked in English. But he understood whatever kahhori spoke, maybe he understands their language because he learnt it during last season when he freezes time to learn different spells.
so the watcher spoke in space language ?
nah I think he just has a translation spell
Did she speak to him after he came in? Did I miss that?
Hey she learned Spanish to speak to the queen, so Strange could learn Mohawk
For Strange, learning another language is literally nothing. He can learn it through his astral form while he's catching some z's like he did in the first movie.
Not sure it's been caught at all but I'm curious if Kahhori and her people's peace offering as a blanket is the inverse to what happened to the natives in real life, where it's rumored the blankets given to the natives were contaminated with Smallpox. They spoke about the health of her people, and Spain's people, being mutually beneficial. Might be reaching but it's certainly a thing I noticed immediately.
It wasn't a blanket, it was wampum.
I'm gonna be that guy... it's Morgan "luh" Fay, not Morgan "lah" Fay
Loved this daring episode from Marvel, introducing the Kanien'kehá:ka, this was the second decryption of the mohawk nation after Assassins creed III. That was also well appreciated. Loved it so, much especially the original language used through the whole episode. Loved it
This episode reminds of those amazing animes that put story telling first. I wanted more of this character
I loved the breakdown. It's pronounced Morgan Leh Fay, not LAY FAY. She is an integral part of Arthurian legend. Pronouncing it "lay" would be "les" in French, which is plural. She is not Morgan the fairies (or magicals), she is Morgan the fairy (or magical creature).
Nobody cares
@@Jameslfgsmith Actually, based on the number of likes, they do.
@@JameslfgsmithI do. I even said that to my kid.
As someone with 1/4 native blood who never felt a very strong connection to native culture this episode made me really happy
I'm not sure if this was known or not but here it goes. According to IMDb, Kahhori was voiced by Devery Jacobs, who is credited on two episodes of the upcoming ECHO series, for a character named Julie. Is it just one of those cases where an actor may play two different characters (one of them being not that relevant so it's not as noticeable) or is this Julie the Sacred Timeline's Kahhori (or a reincarnation of her)?
Also actress who voiced Wahta will play Katara on the Netflix live action Avatar the Last Airbender series.
Musket balls. Bullets are a modern creation of a projectile and propellent in one form rifled or not. But I love this breakdown, I got many of the Easter Eggs but it was helpful to get some insight into the native elements that I have not learned yet.
Honestly this was by far my best episode of any Marvel show so far and makes me even appreciate the breakdown even more...
As a Native American of the Mi'kmaw tribe I now understand the African American hype on Black Panther. It feels good to have a badass with your native ties for once thank you Marvel. I have close ties with to Mohawk nation in my family and Province as well, it just feels nice to have a representation of a hero without just slapping some random person in another established heroes story. The perfect example if you want to make a new character to represent a race, put some real effort and originality into it not copy paste into another hero.
Props to marvel to thanking the Mohawk nation for their collaboration on this ,and in the end credits)
My personal favorite scene was when the Spanish conquistidor leader that literally got foot-stomped into the ground by all the Mohawks
Thanks Colton. This was an excellent review. I'm glad you and Doug aRE TALKING. Thanks ryan for this review with Colton.
Loved this episode of What If and enjoying the Colton recaps! Only easter egg I'd add is that Kahoori stopping the bullets (and many other aspects of her story) also gave me BIG TIME Neo/Matrix vibes. needing to go outside her realm to a different one, gaining new skills and perception... Kahoori is The One! (but I also loved that she still needed her community to become her fully realized powered self)
I wonder if they're also recruiting Thanos. It would also be crazy if Doctor Strange and Wanda were recruiting people for their respective teams to go against each other (motive?)! That one trailer clip with Thanos more than likely debunks that theory but wouldn't that be something.
This episode was my favorite for sure. I really loved it!!
COLTON COLTON COLTON!!!
This episode was BADASS!!! I really liked the introduction of Kahorri and the detail that was paid to Native American culture. Just such a cool idea for a new hero!!!
Thank you so much for keeping up to date breakdowns coming our way, I can’t imagine it’s easy to stay on top of coming out day after day for 9 days. Keep up the good work!!!! 👍
They may argue that it is just another multiverse, but I didn't like the fact the people in the MCU took all this trouble to make this episode accurate for the native American people but did not do the same for the Spanish people. We can see a SINGLE Queen Isabel and speaking modern day Spanish 🤦🏻♂️🙄 also , Spanish conquistadors who went way deep in North America, get in contact with the tesseract and travel through it but strangely don't get any power from it... however, this is not intended to be a historical but a fictional story and I had so much fun watching this episode and I love this new character.
They didn't get power because they weren't respectful to the land. The ancestors gave sentience to the space stone's power, so only those with the best interests of others are granted power.
It wasn't a neutral thing for anyone to take but something more based in community, compassion.
I would not be shocked if those bison fruit are then able to be given to those outside the tribe who won't forsake the power as well, people like Echo after her redemption arc.
To then nitpick the Spanish representation just because it isn't what they focused on THIS time is folly. Spin too many plates and they crash.
Save the adjectives. It is not folly nor nitpicky to ask for accuracy. You may find whatever reason to justify it and it is fine and valid, but it is not specified that people need to be in harmony with nature to get power from the tesseract (look at Wanda). But yeah... I liked this episode only that detail I did not.
The conquistadores also weren’t on the landing enough to ingest any foods or beverages to fully have “power” from the tesseract. They wouldn’t even have known they “had powers” or how to use them.
I can see two possible explanations.
1) The Spanish actually got some powers, they just didn't realize they had them and had no idea how to use them.
2) The Tesseract in the water only gave powers to those who deserved them, gave less or no powers to those with more negative attributes (like those who were violent). Which was why Kahhori seemed to be more powerful than the rest, as she had the purest heart of them all.
As was shown in the movies, the Space Stone can be rather judgey. It gave powers to Captain Marvel, who was a good person, but punished Red Skull, who was a villain.
@@proximashining776 yeah! That makes sense! Thanks! 👍🏻🫶🏻
I'm just going to assume Don Knotts tricked Colton into getting stuck in a tv 😂😂😂
This is the most excited I have been watching anything in a long time. This was so beautiful on so many levels to me.
“What if?” really the best thing I’ve seen from marvel ever! Personally I put this whole series above anything else I’ve seen since the late 90’s.That includes the movies! I’ve watch this 6 episodes 3 times each! Wonderful from everyone that worked on this show 👏👏👏
I thought, and I could be wrong, that the phrase "Thunder Beings" may have referred to the " Thunder Bird"which is a deity to some tribes.
The starting of the ep was normal as always, but the middle point or I should say the point where kahori started to make difference between the old stucked-up people and her decision of going back. That's when the glorious scenes started where she looked like a powerful spiritual being. Looked deadly cool.
This episode was and is amazing… great job.
Amber Midthunder for Live Action Kahhori. If Feige n Marvel decide to bring her into live action..
Great job, Colton.
This was the best episode yet! I want more of Kahori and what she’s like with her world
11:18 and another thing apparently Strange supreme is immortal ,I think " I was searching for you a long time" could mean hundred of years watching multiverse in Watcher's realm
It also could've been months or a year. He has been living outside of time where time works differently.
Loved this episode!! Truly a "What If..." story.
The most satisfying conclusion to the Marvel Animated Universe.
May Folklore coexist.
The Marvel Studios team and Mohawk Nation did an excellent job.
This episode was just beautiful. Beautiful to watch, beautiful to listen to. It was amazing.
I love your acknowledgment of history and life
This episode was SO GOOD ! favourite
at 9:02 the mention of thunder beings may not only be a reference to Thor, because in Mohawk teachings, "thunder beings" are a real thing. Earlier in the episode Wah:tha says the word "ratiweras" which in Mohawk means thunder, or thunder beings.
Here's a free Easter Egg. Kahhori is shown picking corn, beans and squash. These are The Three Sisters, the primary crops of her people.
Great episode! Great new character!!
Our favourite episode of What If so far!
Incredible episode!!
Keep up the great work as always colton👍🏽.
Thanks so much!
@@ColtonHere you welcome
Good job with the break downs Colton
This episode was Fantastic!
Her catching the bullets also reminded of Neo catching the bullets in matrix reloaded.
I was waiting for this from 3 pm itself ❤❤❤❤
Really awesome episode!!
I was already crying, and then i heard Stephen's voice, and started laughing, oh my god guys. MARVEL! MARVEL! MARVEL! 🏆👏🏾
Best episode yet! It has that Blue Marvel feel. I forgot I was reading subtitles the whole time until the end.
My audible gasp. I cannot wait to see Adam and Reed Richards doing smart dad things, yummmmmm
Doug is funny! At the ad break, when he says "Man in a Box " it's a slick homage to holiday SNL song "D*** in Box" ft. Justin Timberlake 🤣🤣🤣🤣
this season has been sooooo good
This episode was pretty cool as a depiction of how a parrallel realm like Ta Lo can come to be this ,and the last one have been some of the strongest entries of the whole series. I'd watch a whole spin following kahhori development, and the new world around her she is such a dope, and interesting character .
Can I get a Kitsune episode in season 3... agents of Atlas slept onnnnn
When the thunder people attacked the Spanish ships, I was transported back to The Return of The King with Aragorn leading the army of the dead (dead men of Dunharrow) at the Battle of the Pelennor Fields.
This was a dope episode
Kahoori rivaling Captain Marvel or The Scarlet Witch? I thought so too at first until she was defeated by cannons from the 1500s 🤣
My son and I loved it!! When I saw it was not in English I turned on the subtitles.
Every thing was so cool!
"one of the most powerful beings" can barely withstand cannonball fire
She still needs to grow
I cant wait for the rest of the episodes
this was one of my favorite episodes of WHAT IF
There were also cool references to Wakanda Forever/Black Panther. When I saw the tesseract fall to earth, I got vibes of the vibranium asteroid falling to Wakanda.
Also, think of the conquistadors destroying Namor’s village, and Namor and his mutants (who were changed by exposure to their own herbs-blue and glowing like Kahorri and her people) coming to give them hell.
My people are from P.R. THEY WERE ALREADY HERE WHEN THE SPANISH GOT HERE!
8:26 the reason women were suspected of being witches was because they had cats, which ate the mice, and the mice was the reason for the plague, and that's also why black cats are associated with witches.
This whole season is awsome so far
Incredible episode and an amazingly-conceived new character! I hope we see a lot more of Kahhori and her people!
This episode reminded me a bit of the red son trilogy from Orson Scott card and the alternative history of the pen and paper rpg Shadowrun.
every episode is my new favorite episode
one of fab episodes of what if, this ep exceeded all my expections
HANDS DOWN THE BEST EP FROM WHAT IVE SEEN SO FAR! I absolutely loved it and was enraptured by the story from start to finish! I loved the art, her glowing like the avatar was sick! I hope she has more of a future with Marvel wether that be comics, a show, or in the MCU as a live action character somehow.
THANKS for this!!! Such a great show--and I mean both you and "What If...?"
Thank you!
There were scenes during this ep that gave me strong Avatar the Last Airbender vibes. Really good ep 👍
I think this was the best episode I dropped a tear at the end. I hope the girl and captain Carter get real live screentime you can’t get rid of those characters.
Best episode so far!
Such a good episode!
THEORY - all infinity stones has their own realms. This episode shows the Space Stone Realm. Avengers 3/4 shows the Soul Stone Realm
Hi Colton
This was by far my favourite episode of the season!
I knew this was going to my favorite episode and I wasn’t wrong!! Thank you for all the breakdowns you do at screen crush, the amazing content keeps me coming back for more!❤
An overpowered girlboss with no personal flaws what so ever, how very refreshing.
Ah, the "mary sue" angle. Haven't heard that one in a while. Sure you don't want to throw a Panderverse reference in there for good measure?