The fact that Jay never has to fight his own villains again proves how good of a ninja he is. It’s a one and done deal. Granted, I would definitely love to see a more emotional Jay and villain fight.
I was rewatching the show & Lloyd mentioned the teapot of tyrahn in the first episode of master of the mountain. Also in the beginning of prime empire Clutch Powers finds it.
YES EXACTLY! Ninjago's favorite thing to do is to repeat villains over and over again. And that's not a terrible idea since the Ninja's have a personal villain to fight every now and then. But all the time, like Ninjago does, is too much. Jay put an end to Nadakhan who was an OP villain with his words and strength to never give in. Ninjago would be a much safer place if all the ninja's fought like Jay. End it once and for all. That's just one of the reasons why I love Jay.
As much as it's sad to know Jay's villains never will return i still kinda like it. It just means Jay's the only person on the Ninja team that either SOLVES the root of the problem (unagami) or In nadakahn's case almost ensures that they can't come back for revenge. And he does it in a not so aggressive way. Instead of just beat the bad guy the end.
That's a very cool way to look at it. Basically saying that Jay puts an end to his own Villain and never gives them a chance to return. Like he's more efficient when he defeats them, he cuts to the chase and ends it once and for all. Frankly, I'd say that's better than just temporarily stopping the villains and later allowing them to become a threat in the future again. Jay's way of fighting is smart, he finds a way to end the conflict without so much fighting and he stops it permanently. Nadakhan was a very serious threat in my own opinion. But Jay stopped him for good in a clever way, even when he was being tortured he refused to give up his last wish and finally use it in a way that can't be twisted by Nadakhan. It's better to be done with a villian for good then having them still pose a threat to the future like Garmadon and all the other villains. Though it's sad Jay never had villains to fight in Crystalized and Day of the departed. I think I prefer his way of ending the threat permanently. Makes more sense that way. I could very well be reading too far into this depending on who reads this. But it's just my opinion. One thing is, JAY NEEDS MORE SEASONS TO HIMSELF.
honestly the problem isn't exactly with jay's villains,its the fact that jay doesn't has that much villains,and when he does have one antagonist,its usually the BBEG who ends up dead/trapped/redeemed at the end of the season
In my opinion the problem with jay seasons is that it looks like jay cant have a season when the team is around, in skybound and prime empire the rest of the team "died"
Finally someone else noticed that both of Jay’s seasons are exactly the same in regards to the team always somehow giving up their life in order for Jay to take the spot light I feel like for a 3rd Jay season they should stray away from that concept and keep the ninja with him just like they would any other season
Guys we're forgetting Jay is just super cool and has God-level Anime protagonist mojo on his side where he either pulls a Joseph Joestar and completely outwits his enemy (Nadhakhan) or makes his enemy his friend (Unagami).
I would argue that this isn't an issue with Jay's villains, but rather with the nature of Ninjago's bad guy team-ups. The idea of each ninja having a nemesis on the villain side is cool, but as stated in the video it fails when not every ninja has a preestablished dynamic with one of the villains. I don't see why Jay's antagonists should have to accommodate for this, though; Skybound and Prime Empire are tangentially related to the overarching storyline of Ninjago and their respective villains and plots shouldn't have to be changed/nerfed for the sake of bringing them back in the future, especially when it's rare for a major antagonist to return in a later Ninjago season.
i don't think they really need to nerf nadakan in order to bring him back,great part of the things that bring nadakhan to the state that we know in skybound are gone(he don't has the realm crystal to bring his crew back,nor he has his father's sword since djinndjago already fell at the current time in the ninjago timeline,now the only thing they would need to do would give the villains a diferent priority or maybe even trust issues since nadakhan is very manipulative and depends on others to get his plans to work
"it's rare for a major antagonist to return in a later Ninjago season" Overlord who has appeared 4 times: Lmao 😂 (This is just one example, his Servant Pythor appeared more times than I can count, Harumi too appeared 3 times but you can make an argument that it wasn't her in Prime Empire)
@@mobgabriel1767 Problem is we don't really know if he has the ability to make infinite wishes for himself due to that "marriage". If he still did, he would be too OP and just below the Overlord himself in terms of power.
I think it’s important to note that Jay also never defeats his villains through fighting. He talks. Making the wish and convincing Unagami. Not sure if that is meant to be a theme for his character but I like it :)
That's what separates him from the other ninja's and I love it. Like in the marvel series Ultimate Spider Man, in one of the episodes it said that peter's greatest weapon is his words. Jay is like that. He's a much cooler ninja and his way of defeating his villains is through words. That's a smart way of fighting.
i feel jay in general is kind of dealt a short end of the stick, i love jay, he's my favorite ninja, but i wished his whole character end up being his relationship to nya. the love triangle from rebooted, skybound, seabound, crystalized, everything is centered around his feelings towards nya. prime empire less so, but even in the end, jay gives a small speech to unagami about how he felt abandoned by his parents. i love that they're calling back to something from skybond, that jay is adopted, how he might feel about those emotions of being abandoned honestly this would've been a good plot line for the show, showing kids its okay to be an adopted child and such, the island could've been a good season to explore connections with jay's mom since the storm crystal did have lightning properties that could've been linked to jay's element and that something was missed a bit by only focusing on nya's connection to water. but instead, jay just gets a short little speech at the end of the season, with no lead up to that. jay didn't mention those feelings to nya or cole or any of the other ninja, it felt like it had been pulled out of nowhere. of course it could've been explored in scrapped storylines or episodes, but it wasn't in the final script. i love that you're pointing this out, it's such a valid point, keep it up.
Jay, the lightning ninja, who makes sure his villains are one and done. You wanna be Jays main villain? Well you will have a 100% survival chance, thats for sure. It's just you either get a heartfelt redemption or you are suffering for the rest of your extended life. No inbetween, just one of the two choices. Eternal damnation, or a chance of a better life. And you are definitely never returning as a villain no matter the outcome. Other parralels may include: - having emotional baggage with a side of daddy issues - killing/capturing all Jays friends one by one - being defeated by words in sone way shape or form
Indeed, but it’s a high possibility that Nadakhan could’ve betrayed them similar to how he betrayed his own crew at the end of Skybound. And the fact or idea that the Overlord/ Crystal King has been watching the Ninja’s adventures from afar whilst planning his eventual return, he would probably know not to trust someone as potentially powerful as Nadakhan, depending on if he’s one of very few that could/ would remember the events of the Skybound timeline. Although it would’ve been quite interesting to see a potential power struggle between the two.
Theory (plz read it all): I think that Nadakhan orchestrated the events of Prime Empire in an attempt to get revenge on Jay after being released from the teapot. My evidence: one, if Unagami had been able to finish his own programming, don't you think he would have done so a lot sooner? Someone else probably finished his programming, and that someone else was Nadakhan. Two, don't you think Prime Empire's ridiculously complex code is too complex for a regular human to write? It produced an entire realm and thousands of conscious beings. No human could write code that complex. Nadakhan might have forced someone to wish that he was an impossibly good programmer. three, have you noticed the huge similarities between Nadakhan's plan in skybound and Unagami's in Prime Empire? They both involve trapping people inside of something to gain power, picking off the ninja one by one (even in a similar order), and unwillingly providing them with a limited number of things that can help them, and four, don't you think Jay being trapped inside of Prime Empire and forced to watch as his home realm is destroyed is eerily similar to what happened to Nadakhan after time was reversed in skybound? He was stuck in the teapot of Tyrann, knowing that his home realm was falling apart and there was nothing he could do about it. Last but not least, before you say that he wouldn't have the time to do it after being released, if you watch the episode, you can actually see it skip forward to nightime shortly after he is released. For all we know, it could have skipped forward several days, and as for Scott being trapped in the game going against my theory, that is most likely just a coincidence, due to the fact that Scott was trapped for a totally different reason. Plus, Nadakhan could have chosen Prime Empire for its ability to trap others, like his Djinn blade. Here's my timeline of events: Nadakhan is released from the teapot by Clutch and immediately begins searching for a way to take revenge on Jay, and finds Prime Empire, a legendary, unreleased video game run by an unfinished A.I. with a chip on it's shoulder, a golden opportunity for revenge. Nadakhan then tricks someone into wishing that he's the best programmer in the world, and uses his newfound coding skills to finish Unagami's programming, basing it on his own mind. He then puts Unagami in contact with The Mechanic and lets their plan unfold on it's own from there, knowing that the ninja will be called to enter the game and rescue the people who had been trapped, and that Jay will be the last one remaining, due to his video game skills. Once Jay was trapped, alone inside the game, forced to watch as his home realm was destroyed, Nadakhan would enter the game and reveal himself to him. But, since Jay escaped the game, Nahdakhan never got a chance to do so.
The only Jay villain isn't even really one. Fugidove just says how he dislikes Jay the most but honestly the whole story just sounds like he is a fan of Jay.
Yeah you are right, Jay villains are always a one used only type. However they are also the most overpowered… Nadakhan was the first villain to always outsmart the entire Ninja team, and Inugami had by all means conquered Ninjago to the point Jay had no other option but to appeal to his emotions. Still Nadakhan is perhaps top 5 of Ninjago greatest villains, and the only reason why he wasn’t brought back was because if he was empowered by the Crystal King he would literary be unstoppable. For Inugami, I say he is the weakest villain in Ninjago when it comes to motives and story… That entire season was more gimmick than story.
in the lego set which contain dragon form jay, unlike the other ninjas, the villain he is fighting is a crystalized army soldier and a crystalized spider
I mean if Nadakhan came back in DotD Ninjago would be in worse trouble than just Yang coming back and Cole actually dying. But yeah, Jay just has a hard time having villains be directed at him that aren't outright dangerous or misunderstood. But what if that's because the biggest threat to Jay is being kept away from him by his mom? Think about it, Jay has probably the most powerful and destructive element of the Four Main elements, there are probably people in Ninjago who would do anything to have that power and one such person was probably after Jay's mom and him when Jay was a baby, which is why his mom left him in a junkyard and hasn't shown her face, because she is protecting her one and only son from having this dangerous of a person go after him, even if she no longer has the element and said person would definitely know Jay has it but maybe is after her to use her as a bargaining chip to get Jay and the Lightning Element. While I wish Jay wouldn't just get the "last one standing" there in a group of villains, I think it's also for the best, right now anyway. C'mon Jay season where he finds his mom and he actually has a villain who sees him as an obstacle, like Nadakhan but not an all powerful Djinn.
Another problem with Jay's villains is that they are simple too overpowered Nadakan and Unigami are both 10 out of 10 in terms of power so having the team up with villains that are all strong enough to have a 50-50 chance of victory againts the ninja plus a big bad who is ether equel or in crystal king's case stronger would simple be too much for the ninja to belivable handle
Kai villians- Garmadon (formally) Mindroid (Kinda I mean he is responsible for 2 of his many deaths he had and he has a pretty long fight with him on the truck lol) Chen Morro (Shared with Lloyd as well) Acronix (shared with nya) Krux (shared with nya but Kai def moreso because he was more focused on his parents than nya was and this man is their captor) Aspheera (shared with Zane and also kinda lloyd Jay villians- Nadakhan Flintlocke Doubloon (not counting monkey wrench or clancee as they were never really villians to jay kinda just the goofy ones) and dogshank is really a nya villian) Mechanic (shared with Zane) Unagami (Im not counting pythor i dont care that he had his nunchuks in crystalized I dont care that they faced off in a s10 short, pythor is clearly a team villian and they only made him fight jay because jay had no one else) also lowkey kinda kalamaar (also im not counting Kai or Cole as jay villians lol) Cole villians- Zugo (the main guy in charge of the noodle factory in s4, and the main guy cole would cause trouble with) Yang Skull Sorcerer (again not counting jay) I cant really think of anyone else but theres gotta be more Zane villians- Cryptor Mr. E/F Vex Mechanic (not counting overlord as they only really faced off that one time) Lloyd villians- Garmadon Morro (shared with Kai) Harumi Omega (kinda but not really a lloyd villian) Aspheera (kinda) Overlord Nya villians- Dogshank Clouse (kinda) Nadakhan (shared with Jay) Acronix (shared with Kai) Krux (shared with Kai) Ultra Violet (kinda but barely) Kalamaar Mechanic (kinda in crystalized) Wu villians- Garmadon Morro Aspheera Acronix Krux Overlord Also lowkey kinda pythor basically everyone he didnt tell the ninja about lmao Garmadon villians Chen Clouse Overlord Omega To make things simple here are the 3 main ones Kai- Chen, Morro, Time Twins Jay- Nadakhan, Unagami, other sky pirates Cole- Yang, Zugo, Vangellis Zane- Mr E., Mechanic, Cryptor Nya- Kalamaar, Time Twins, Nadakhan Lloyd- Garmadon, Harumi, Overlord this took a lot of time and i dont even know why i made this lol just bored af
Honestly, I'd put Clouse as Jay's enemy. He may not have been a big villain, although they fought each other in season 4, and Clouse was the reason Skybound happened at all. He also tried to stop Jay from coming out of the djinn sword. If Clouse were to come back, I would want Jay to face him. I would also put Pythor as Lloyd's villain. I know he's more of the team's villain, although Pythor has developed a greater bond with Lloyd. After all, he betrayed him when he released him from the tomb, he was the first to reveal himself to Lloyd as a mysterious figure, he fought him in Dotd, and in general, in theory, he was the reason why Harumi wanted to take revenge on Lloyd. Yes, I know this comment is a year old but I came here by accident and I'm bored too xD
the writers are just too scared to give jay a serious challenge. you can see that throughout the series not even looking at villains. they very rarely let him be the strong one
Because they know his weakness point, friendship because jay got abandoned by everybody especially his biological parents in past life he was having problems of making friends and finally after making friend he still feel they can abandon him as the others did to him so the villains like to affect him by getting rid of his friends like abandoning to let him remember his bad past
Now I like prime empire but imagine unagami act as a more ultron type of villain wanting to turn ninjago into his prime empire paradise. Have it where some of unagamis programming dervives from dyers ideal of prime empire feeling like magic and unagami would twist that ideal. Much like how ultron wanted to create the perfect world
Saying jay was the first to use spinjitsu so maybe that’s a clue that in a future season he will realize he is the only one with no main enemy technically he only has oonigamy because skybound never happened maybe that will lead him quitting the ninja team or even becoming or making a villain maybe releasing nadakhan
Honestly the overlord could've just found the teapot of tyrone the overlord is millennias old plus who is to say nadhakhan doesn't remember skybound he wouldve maid a great return
Im happy nadakhan won’t come back cause I don’t like him and unagami I would like to be a temporary asset for a season with his power if he even still has it
Yeah I agree with a lot of your saying it takes the villian to murder all of his friends and girlfriend for Jay to get super serious and become a strong main character which shouldn’t be the case he’s more than capable of being focused and contained on his own but just not given the chance to do so without being given the same formula years prior. Not to mention Jay has arguably a powerful element (they all have powerful elements Ngl) and I feel like he doesn’t use it to the best of his advantage for example the Sub Battery in S15 he risked his own life charging it in water do you know how many other seasons where the power has gone out or energy drained and I’m watching and saying Jay can just shock it to get them out of the situation (could just be they want a challenge and it’s too easy) but I’m saying Next to Kai I really feel like Wildbrain has done them both Dirty (other than jay being center focus 12-15) Kai especially Jay seems to be the new punching bag or test dummy instead of Zane which is fine but Zane is a robot and he recovers instantly in the wild brain animations and in Wilfilm it took a whole 2 episodes before recovered. Jay has been abused a lot in Prime Empire, Murtessa Hitting on him and trying to Marry him, Jay being a Sacrifice, being almost electrocuted, almost drowning, and him going nearly crazy (drinking) along with being Crystalized Wilfilm Jay was never this abused (besides being abandoned) compared to Zane it’s safe to say Jay might have become the new Zane and will see what 2023 holds but I hope 2023 will give us unique stories and character arcs and not rehash stuff
i think Nadakhan will return because in one of the season 16 epsiodes you can see clutch powers holding the Nadakhan tea can. If you know in season 6 jays wish was "ì wish all of this didnt happened" and Nadakhan did what he said and he turned time to when Nadakhan was never found so Nadakhan is still in that tea can. so thats why i think he will maybe return. (hope you see this Tanner and im a big fan)
Every one knows that the events of season 6 were reversed and that’s not a good reason for him to return and get his story ruined also he will probably just get defied in the same way
I remember there was a scene at the very start of season 12 wich Clutch Powers find Nadakhan's teapot and then open it. You can see the teapot lights after he open it, but its just that and Nadakhan doesnt even show up and the scene keep going. Ive never seen someone talking about it, so I just ignored it, but I think that could be a good reason to put on Nadakhan into crystalized and that would be very interesting.
I always thought that Jay had overpowered Villans Nadakhan with infinite wishes or even by himself, was very manipulative. Also, it took a wish to stop him because he had to, had it been the wrong wish. Then, Unigami in the game could pause everything and take out the ninja himself if it weren't for his challenges, for the ninja that is. I would like to add that I love these seasons they were great, still are, and that this is just my argument on the matter don't get mad at me
Samukai should try to kill Lloyd, not the former purple snake King, because Samukai hates Lloyd’s dad, i’m just saying if the former corpse king killed The green ninja then in the weird way he finally made fun of Garmadon
Yes, I did notice that. Kind of annoying in my opinion, but I do tend to notice this sort of thing, anyway. I don't think it's bad if one of the ninja has this problem sometimes, but when it's Jay and only jay all of the time, that's the issue. Only thing is, I really can't see them fixing this problem and if they could only pick one from my wishlist, I would want one of the more major problems fixed.
Not really relevant to the video but I had a thought to do with jays mom and where she is So it was revealed in an unused concept that libby left jay at the junkyard because someone was after her and her child and I think it could have been khanjakan I think each realm could have a different crystal such as ninjago having the realm crystal and they had a different crystal with a unique ability and djinnjago was home to a crystal that let you see different moments in Time like the past and the future and khanjakan saw jay defeating his son and imprisoning him back into the teapot causing khanjakan for a brief moment to travel to ninjago and either kill or kidnapp him causing libby to hide her son in the last place a kidnapper would probably expect This leads to khanjakan kidnapping libby and imprisoning her in the realm of djinnjago for not giving up her sons hiding spot They could then find a way to make jay travel to the destroyed realm of djinnjago in an effort to find his mother after somehow finding out she is still alive This is just a theory I came up with and I'm well aware this more than likely will not be true
Obviously, pythor got the nunchucks because he faced jay in that one legacy short to promote the legacy storm glider. I don't know why anyone else saw that!
I'd say the mechanic is also a Jay villain for two reasons: first, the mechanic was introduced in Skybound, and second, the mechanic was pretty important in Prime Empire.
So? Jay himself gets so much focus in the series that he's only behind Lloyd and Kai. Not to mention Jay focused seasons are always the most clear about their focus ninja. And don't get me started on the sets...
THE MECHCANIC SHOULD BEEN JAY'S VILLIN LIKE HE WAS A BAD GUY IN HIS BOTH OF HIS SEASONS AND NYA GOT KIDNAP AND SHE DATE JAY AND DAY OF DEPATPARETD HE [SMAUKIA] KIDNAPS ENDA
Jay's villain is Nakahan, that is my opinion, plus he tried to marry Nya, Villain, written all over that tea pot dweller!!!!. Onigami turned good at the end of prime empire, know he is a good citizen of Ninjago city.
@@Giraffecutie true but he got a lot of hate in the new seasons and got to the point of death threats because jay was sad about nya death and the first episode got focused on jay sadness more than Kai sadness so people got really mad even though Kai and nya always stick together in a lot episode more than jay and nya so it has to make sense why jay got the spot light not only that he got abandoned by everyone in his past life and cause him having problems with friendship and feeling that the team can abandon him any time
The fact that Jay never has to fight his own villains again proves how good of a ninja he is. It’s a one and done deal. Granted, I would definitely love to see a more emotional Jay and villain fight.
I haven't watched Dragons Rising part 2 yet, but I can still say this comment aged poorly
I would die of happiness
@@promienodrzutowysamuel790 what?
@@promienodrzutowysamuel790💀💀 watch the season instead of saying smth wild like that
@@LimitWIS I didn't know then that it's a different djinn
I consider the mechanic to be half jay's and half zane's villain, since the mechanic was responsible to help unagami and bring him into the real world
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Naa but he has more past with zane, also jay and the mechanic dont really interact as much so consider him as zane villain
I agree with both statements!
@@invalid001not really. He only wants Zane’s parts. Jay is usually the one ninja who destroys his plans every time.
The only reason I see why nadakan wasn't able to be in day of the departed is because he was stuck in a teapot.
Not Really he didn’t have a statue of him self in in the hall of villainy
@@NinjaERA46 thats because time was reset so no one knows he existed except jay nya and clouse (clouse knows about the teapot of tyrann)
@@AgendaXYZ Also Master Yang, according to Way of the Departed [Its Uncanon, but I feel that it should be mentioned]
@@dominothealphaandomega5512 kk
I was rewatching the show & Lloyd mentioned the teapot of tyrahn in the first episode of master of the mountain. Also in the beginning of prime empire Clutch Powers finds it.
All I’m hearing is that jay is the most efficient ninja in terms of neutralizing threats
YES EXACTLY! Ninjago's favorite thing to do is to repeat villains over and over again. And that's not a terrible idea since the Ninja's have a personal villain to fight every now and then. But all the time, like Ninjago does, is too much. Jay put an end to Nadakhan who was an OP villain with his words and strength to never give in. Ninjago would be a much safer place if all the ninja's fought like Jay. End it once and for all. That's just one of the reasons why I love Jay.
I think Jay is underrated he’s such a good and funny character
As much as it's sad to know Jay's villains never will return i still kinda like it. It just means Jay's the only person on the Ninja team that either SOLVES the root of the problem (unagami) or In nadakahn's case almost ensures that they can't come back for revenge. And he does it in a not so aggressive way. Instead of just beat the bad guy the end.
That's a very cool way to look at it. Basically saying that Jay puts an end to his own Villain and never gives them a chance to return. Like he's more efficient when he defeats them, he cuts to the chase and ends it once and for all. Frankly, I'd say that's better than just temporarily stopping the villains and later allowing them to become a threat in the future again. Jay's way of fighting is smart, he finds a way to end the conflict without so much fighting and he stops it permanently. Nadakhan was a very serious threat in my own opinion. But Jay stopped him for good in a clever way, even when he was being tortured he refused to give up his last wish and finally use it in a way that can't be twisted by Nadakhan. It's better to be done with a villian for good then having them still pose a threat to the future like Garmadon and all the other villains. Though it's sad Jay never had villains to fight in Crystalized and Day of the departed. I think I prefer his way of ending the threat permanently. Makes more sense that way. I could very well be reading too far into this depending on who reads this. But it's just my opinion. One thing is, JAY NEEDS MORE SEASONS TO HIMSELF.
All of jays villains killed nya in some way
True.
Yeah all of them try to ruin jays life by killing the same female ninja
Not true look at he does not kill Pythor. Samuakai takes Nya, but not all.
And they all take the ninja one by one to be used as a power source
All his focus season remove each Ninja
honestly the problem isn't exactly with jay's villains,its the fact that jay doesn't has that much villains,and when he does have one antagonist,its usually the BBEG who ends up dead/trapped/redeemed at the end of the season
Cole has the least villains yet we see vangelis in more than one season
Vangelis is cool tho
In my opinion the problem with jay seasons is that it looks like jay cant have a season when the team is around, in skybound and prime empire the rest of the team "died"
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@@jonaheasaw5216 thats why hes one of the mkst goodest ninja
@Elico-du1oitrue but Jay wasn’t an idiot. He along with Zane and Nya are are the more techy ninja’s who are usually smart in battle.
Finally someone else noticed that both of Jay’s seasons are exactly the same in regards to the team always somehow giving up their life in order for Jay to take the spot light I feel like for a 3rd Jay season they should stray away from that concept and keep the ninja with him just like they would any other season
I think Nadakhan is one of Ninjago's best villains so I'd love to see him return
Yea
But he will be a great threat
Guys we're forgetting Jay is just super cool and has God-level Anime protagonist mojo on his side where he either pulls a Joseph Joestar and completely outwits his enemy (Nadhakhan) or makes his enemy his friend (Unagami).
True lol
That's what I'm talking about! YAS!
I would argue that this isn't an issue with Jay's villains, but rather with the nature of Ninjago's bad guy team-ups. The idea of each ninja having a nemesis on the villain side is cool, but as stated in the video it fails when not every ninja has a preestablished dynamic with one of the villains. I don't see why Jay's antagonists should have to accommodate for this, though; Skybound and Prime Empire are tangentially related to the overarching storyline of Ninjago and their respective villains and plots shouldn't have to be changed/nerfed for the sake of bringing them back in the future, especially when it's rare for a major antagonist to return in a later Ninjago season.
i don't think they really need to nerf nadakan in order to bring him back,great part of the things that bring nadakhan to the state that we know in skybound are gone(he don't has the realm crystal to bring his crew back,nor he has his father's sword since djinndjago already fell at the current time in the ninjago timeline,now the only thing they would need to do would give the villains a diferent priority or maybe even trust issues since nadakhan is very manipulative and depends on others to get his plans to work
"it's rare for a major antagonist to return in a later Ninjago season"
Overlord who has appeared 4 times: Lmao 😂 (This is just one example, his Servant Pythor appeared more times than I can count, Harumi too appeared 3 times but you can make an argument that it wasn't her in Prime Empire)
@@mobgabriel1767 Problem is we don't really know if he has the ability to make infinite wishes for himself due to that "marriage". If he still did, he would be too OP and just below the Overlord himself in terms of power.
@@life_is_a_myth i dont think he has,If he had he probably could Just wish himself out If the teapot If tyrann
I think it’s important to note that Jay also never defeats his villains through fighting. He talks. Making the wish and convincing Unagami. Not sure if that is meant to be a theme for his character but I like it :)
Dude jay almost killed the mechanic over nya and he killed a pirate in season 2
Jay is like naruto
Talk no jutsu
That's what separates him from the other ninja's and I love it. Like in the marvel series Ultimate Spider Man, in one of the episodes it said that peter's greatest weapon is his words. Jay is like that. He's a much cooler ninja and his way of defeating his villains is through words. That's a smart way of fighting.
i feel jay in general is kind of dealt a short end of the stick, i love jay, he's my favorite ninja, but i wished his whole character end up being his relationship to nya. the love triangle from rebooted, skybound, seabound, crystalized, everything is centered around his feelings towards nya. prime empire less so, but even in the end, jay gives a small speech to unagami about how he felt abandoned by his parents. i love that they're calling back to something from skybond, that jay is adopted, how he might feel about those emotions of being abandoned honestly this would've been a good plot line for the show, showing kids its okay to be an adopted child and such, the island could've been a good season to explore connections with jay's mom since the storm crystal did have lightning properties that could've been linked to jay's element and that something was missed a bit by only focusing on nya's connection to water. but instead, jay just gets a short little speech at the end of the season, with no lead up to that. jay didn't mention those feelings to nya or cole or any of the other ninja, it felt like it had been pulled out of nowhere. of course it could've been explored in scrapped storylines or episodes, but it wasn't in the final script.
i love that you're pointing this out, it's such a valid point, keep it up.
Totally agree
This just goes to tell me that Jay knows how to handles his shit😤
Jay, the lightning ninja, who makes sure his villains are one and done.
You wanna be Jays main villain? Well you will have a 100% survival chance, thats for sure. It's just you either get a heartfelt redemption or you are suffering for the rest of your extended life. No inbetween, just one of the two choices. Eternal damnation, or a chance of a better life. And you are definitely never returning as a villain no matter the outcome.
Other parralels may include:
- having emotional baggage with a side of daddy issues
- killing/capturing all Jays friends one by one
- being defeated by words in sone way shape or form
I wish jay had at least either a villain or rival
I think seeing Nadakhan in crystalized would be really interesting. His unique set of powers would be a great inclusion to the crystal council.
Indeed, but it’s a high possibility that Nadakhan could’ve betrayed them similar to how he betrayed his own crew at the end of Skybound. And the fact or idea that the Overlord/ Crystal King has been watching the Ninja’s adventures from afar whilst planning his eventual return, he would probably know not to trust someone as potentially powerful as Nadakhan, depending on if he’s one of very few that could/ would remember the events of the Skybound timeline. Although it would’ve been quite interesting to see a potential power struggle between the two.
I guess they just made Jay too likeable to have a sold villain 😂
Theory (plz read it all):
I think that Nadakhan orchestrated the events of Prime Empire in an attempt to get revenge on Jay after being released from the teapot. My evidence: one, if Unagami had been able to finish his own programming, don't you think he would have done so a lot sooner? Someone else probably finished his programming, and that someone else was Nadakhan. Two, don't you think Prime Empire's ridiculously complex code is too complex for a regular human to write? It produced an entire realm and thousands of conscious beings. No human could write code that complex. Nadakhan might have forced someone to wish that he was an impossibly good programmer. three, have you noticed the huge similarities between Nadakhan's plan in skybound and Unagami's in Prime Empire? They both involve trapping people inside of something to gain power, picking off the ninja one by one (even in a similar order), and unwillingly providing them with a limited number of things that can help them, and four, don't you think Jay being trapped inside of Prime Empire and forced to watch as his home realm is destroyed is eerily similar to what happened to Nadakhan after time was reversed in skybound? He was stuck in the teapot of Tyrann, knowing that his home realm was falling apart and there was nothing he could do about it. Last but not least, before you say that he wouldn't have the time to do it after being released, if you watch the episode, you can actually see it skip forward to nightime shortly after he is released. For all we know, it could have skipped forward several days, and as for Scott being trapped in the game going against my theory, that is most likely just a coincidence, due to the fact that Scott was trapped for a totally different reason. Plus, Nadakhan could have chosen Prime Empire for its ability to trap others, like his Djinn blade.
Here's my timeline of events: Nadakhan is released from the teapot by Clutch and immediately begins searching for a way to take revenge on Jay, and finds Prime Empire, a legendary, unreleased video game run by an unfinished A.I. with a chip on it's shoulder, a golden opportunity for revenge. Nadakhan then tricks someone into wishing that he's the best programmer in the world, and uses his newfound coding skills to finish Unagami's programming, basing it on his own mind. He then puts Unagami in contact with The Mechanic and lets their plan unfold on it's own from there, knowing that the ninja will be called to enter the game and rescue the people who had been trapped, and that Jay will be the last one remaining, due to his video game skills. Once Jay was trapped, alone inside the game, forced to watch as his home realm was destroyed, Nadakhan would enter the game and reveal himself to him. But, since Jay escaped the game, Nahdakhan never got a chance to do so.
This is to long I can’t read it but seams good
That is brilliant.
Wait that makes so much sense-
Also i thought Clutch just got like trapped into the teapot of Tyron since there was just a flash of orange light
Why would he want revenge on Jay specifically?
@@cybercat0564 for making the wish that reversed time
The real problem: Jay's villains need a ponytail to be his villain.
LMAO
💀
The only Jay villain isn't even really one. Fugidove just says how he dislikes Jay the most but honestly the whole story just sounds like he is a fan of Jay.
Fugidove has more of a obsession on Jay than anything.
Even more than nya@@Aneeshtheeaglefan
Yeah you are right, Jay villains are always a one used only type. However they are also the most overpowered… Nadakhan was the first villain to always outsmart the entire Ninja team, and Inugami had by all means conquered Ninjago to the point Jay had no other option but to appeal to his emotions.
Still Nadakhan is perhaps top 5 of Ninjago greatest villains, and the only reason why he wasn’t brought back was because if he was empowered by the Crystal King he would literary be unstoppable. For Inugami, I say he is the weakest villain in Ninjago when it comes to motives and story… That entire season was more gimmick than story.
In day of the departed, I thought I was gonna see nadakhan. But only remembered that jay made his last wish
Maybe the reason why Pytor got nunchucks of lighting because jay got stung by the anacondrai skeleton in season 2
2:53, The leader of the Villain group, should of just gotten Fuigidove
in the lego set which contain dragon form jay, unlike the other ninjas, the villain he is fighting is a crystalized army soldier and a crystalized spider
I mean if Nadakhan came back in DotD Ninjago would be in worse trouble than just Yang coming back and Cole actually dying. But yeah, Jay just has a hard time having villains be directed at him that aren't outright dangerous or misunderstood. But what if that's because the biggest threat to Jay is being kept away from him by his mom? Think about it, Jay has probably the most powerful and destructive element of the Four Main elements, there are probably people in Ninjago who would do anything to have that power and one such person was probably after Jay's mom and him when Jay was a baby, which is why his mom left him in a junkyard and hasn't shown her face, because she is protecting her one and only son from having this dangerous of a person go after him, even if she no longer has the element and said person would definitely know Jay has it but maybe is after her to use her as a bargaining chip to get Jay and the Lightning Element.
While I wish Jay wouldn't just get the "last one standing" there in a group of villains, I think it's also for the best, right now anyway. C'mon Jay season where he finds his mom and he actually has a villain who sees him as an obstacle, like Nadakhan but not an all powerful Djinn.
Jay keeps getting the short end of the stick.
Another problem with Jay's villains is that they are simple too overpowered Nadakan and Unigami are both 10 out of 10 in terms of power so having the team up with villains that are all strong enough to have a 50-50 chance of victory againts the ninja plus a big bad who is ether equel or in crystal king's case stronger would simple be too much for the ninja to belivable handle
Pythor: Bloody Useless Nunchucks 👿
The problem is that all of Jay’s villains are in the most forgotten seasons.
Kai villians-
Garmadon (formally)
Mindroid (Kinda I mean he is responsible for 2 of his many deaths he had and he has a pretty long fight with him on the truck lol)
Chen
Morro (Shared with Lloyd as well)
Acronix (shared with nya)
Krux (shared with nya but Kai def moreso because he was more focused on his parents than nya was and this man is their captor)
Aspheera (shared with Zane and also kinda lloyd
Jay villians-
Nadakhan
Flintlocke
Doubloon
(not counting monkey wrench or clancee as they were never really villians to jay kinda just the goofy ones) and dogshank is really a nya villian)
Mechanic (shared with Zane)
Unagami
(Im not counting pythor i dont care that he had his nunchuks in crystalized I dont care that they faced off in a s10 short, pythor is clearly a team villian and they only made him fight jay because jay had no one else)
also lowkey kinda kalamaar
(also im not counting Kai or Cole as jay villians lol)
Cole villians-
Zugo (the main guy in charge of the noodle factory in s4, and the main guy cole would cause trouble with)
Yang
Skull Sorcerer
(again not counting jay)
I cant really think of anyone else but theres gotta be more
Zane villians-
Cryptor
Mr. E/F
Vex
Mechanic
(not counting overlord as they only really faced off that one time)
Lloyd villians-
Garmadon
Morro (shared with Kai)
Harumi
Omega (kinda but not really a lloyd villian)
Aspheera (kinda)
Overlord
Nya villians-
Dogshank
Clouse (kinda)
Nadakhan (shared with Jay)
Acronix (shared with Kai)
Krux (shared with Kai)
Ultra Violet (kinda but barely)
Kalamaar
Mechanic (kinda in crystalized)
Wu villians-
Garmadon
Morro
Aspheera
Acronix
Krux
Overlord
Also lowkey kinda pythor
basically everyone he didnt tell the ninja about lmao
Garmadon villians
Chen
Clouse
Overlord
Omega
To make things simple here are the 3 main ones
Kai-
Chen, Morro, Time Twins
Jay- Nadakhan, Unagami, other sky pirates
Cole- Yang, Zugo, Vangellis
Zane- Mr E., Mechanic, Cryptor
Nya- Kalamaar, Time Twins, Nadakhan
Lloyd- Garmadon, Harumi, Overlord
this took a lot of time and i dont even know why i made this lol just bored af
Honestly, I'd put Clouse as Jay's enemy. He may not have been a big villain, although they fought each other in season 4, and Clouse was the reason Skybound happened at all. He also tried to stop Jay from coming out of the djinn sword. If Clouse were to come back, I would want Jay to face him.
I would also put Pythor as Lloyd's villain. I know he's more of the team's villain, although Pythor has developed a greater bond with Lloyd. After all, he betrayed him when he released him from the tomb, he was the first to reveal himself to Lloyd as a mysterious figure, he fought him in Dotd, and in general, in theory, he was the reason why Harumi wanted to take revenge on Lloyd.
Yes, I know this comment is a year old but I came here by accident and I'm bored too xD
Thats because no one remembers nadakhan, the season skyboumd doesn't really exist in the ninjago universe
We al know Jay and Pythor had the most epic battle: The Battle of Chen’s Noodle Trucks In The Desert
the writers are just too scared to give jay a serious challenge. you can see that throughout the series not even looking at villains. they very rarely let him be the strong one
My problem is that every time there is a Jay season Jay has to suffer losing all of his friends.
Whyyyyyyyyyyy
Because they know his weakness point, friendship because jay got abandoned by everybody especially his biological parents in past life he was having problems of making friends and finally after making friend he still feel they can abandon him as the others did to him so the villains like to affect him by getting rid of his friends like abandoning to let him remember his bad past
Thats not a problem, jays just super good at stopping the big bad for good
Yeah, why can't they bring Nadukan back? He's a smart villian, probably one of the better villians I must say.
I like Jay, but even I can agree with you in this video as Jay doesn’t have that many reoccurring villains in the Ninjago series.
That's a load.
I would've much prefered nadakhan over the mechanic
Now I like prime empire but imagine unagami act as a more ultron type of villain wanting to turn ninjago into his prime empire paradise. Have it where some of unagamis programming dervives from dyers ideal of prime empire feeling like magic and unagami would twist that ideal. Much like how ultron wanted to create the perfect world
Saying jay was the first to use spinjitsu so maybe that’s a clue that in a future season he will realize he is the only one with no main enemy technically he only has oonigamy because skybound never happened maybe that will lead him quitting the ninja team or even becoming or making a villain maybe releasing nadakhan
Both Nadakhan and Unagami technically killed all of Jays friends.. and Nya. That’s how you really get to Jay I guess
You Said that nadakhan won’t return after 2 month of saying that he is Going to return om the next season?!
Crystalized has Mechanic, and he is PERFECT for be nemesis for jay
I think nadikah could come back because in one episode of crystalyed you could see cluch powers messing around with the tea pot of Tyran
That was prime empire
Jay's villains are hard to see who is his enemie.
I would love Nadhakhan to return.
Yeah, I strongly agree...
You make a good point
If either nadakan returns or the time twins they need to be defeated once and for all
Honestly the overlord could've just found the teapot of tyrone the overlord is millennias old plus who is to say nadhakhan doesn't remember skybound he wouldve maid a great return
Im happy nadakhan won’t come back cause I don’t like him and unagami I would like to be a temporary asset for a season with his power if he even still has it
In the season 16 finally he has some red visors so that means he still has powers
Agree I liked him I just think not even fucking villain needs to come back
NadaKhan will return in Ninjago 2023
@@joshuasebsebe1047 we don’t even know that it was never confirmed that the villain in the book is Nakhan so stop having such high standers
@@gravedigger5193 I should tell that to Wildbrain 🧠
Yeah I agree with a lot of your saying it takes the villian to murder all of his friends and girlfriend for Jay to get super serious and become a strong main character which shouldn’t be the case he’s more than capable of being focused and contained on his own but just not given the chance to do so without being given the same formula years prior. Not to mention Jay has arguably a powerful element (they all have powerful elements Ngl) and I feel like he doesn’t use it to the best of his advantage for example the Sub Battery in S15 he risked his own life charging it in water do you know how many other seasons where the power has gone out or energy drained and I’m watching and saying Jay can just shock it to get them out of the situation (could just be they want a challenge and it’s too easy) but I’m saying Next to Kai I really feel like Wildbrain has done them both Dirty (other than jay being center focus 12-15) Kai especially Jay seems to be the new punching bag or test dummy instead of Zane which is fine but Zane is a robot and he recovers instantly in the wild brain animations and in Wilfilm it took a whole 2 episodes before recovered. Jay has been abused a lot in Prime Empire, Murtessa Hitting on him and trying to Marry him, Jay being a Sacrifice, being almost electrocuted, almost drowning, and him going nearly crazy (drinking) along with being Crystalized Wilfilm Jay was never this abused (besides being abandoned) compared to Zane it’s safe to say Jay might have become the new Zane and will see what 2023 holds but I hope 2023 will give us unique stories and character arcs and not rehash stuff
Who is murtessa
Wow, I didn't realize how much he has suffered.
i think Nadakhan will return because in one of the season 16 epsiodes you can see clutch powers holding the Nadakhan tea can. If you know in season 6 jays wish was "ì wish all of this didnt happened" and Nadakhan did what he said and he turned time to when Nadakhan was never found so Nadakhan is still in that tea can. so thats why i think he will maybe return. (hope you see this Tanner and im a big fan)
Every one knows that the events of season 6 were reversed and that’s not a good reason for him to return and get his story ruined also he will probably just get defied in the same way
@@gravedigger5193 in one of the season 16 episodes you can see clutch with the Nadakhan tea can
I remember there was a scene at the very start of season 12 wich Clutch Powers find Nadakhan's teapot and then open it. You can see the teapot lights after he open it, but its just that and Nadakhan doesnt even show up and the scene keep going. Ive never seen someone talking about it, so I just ignored it, but I think that could be a good reason to put on Nadakhan into crystalized and that would be very interesting.
@@FlaxifyFN_ Tommy and Bragi took it away from him in the same episode go watch the interview with Tommy on the TTV channel he confirmed it
@@gravedigger5193 okay, thanks i didnt know abou that.
I think the reason that Pythor went against Jay because of that one Tales of the monastery of spinjitzu short where Jay fought Pythor alone
He took that nunchuk because it was the only weapon left
I always thought that Jay had overpowered Villans Nadakhan with infinite wishes or even by himself, was very manipulative. Also, it took a wish to stop him because he had to, had it been the wrong wish. Then, Unigami in the game could pause everything and take out the ninja himself if it weren't for his challenges, for the ninja that is. I would like to add that I love these seasons they were great, still are, and that this is just my argument on the matter don't get mad at me
Uhhh what do you mean Nadakhan isn’t likely to return? What about all those rumors and things like the new book?
In the TV show
@@gravedigger5193 still pretty likely if the book is a tie-in to United. Whether it’s the book or United I’d say chances are pretty decent for both
Samukai should try to kill Lloyd, not the former purple snake King, because Samukai hates Lloyd’s dad, i’m just saying if the former corpse king killed The green ninja then in the weird way he finally made fun of Garmadon
Yes, I did notice that. Kind of annoying in my opinion, but I do tend to notice this sort of thing, anyway. I don't think it's bad if one of the ninja has this problem sometimes, but when it's Jay and only jay all of the time, that's the issue. Only thing is, I really can't see them fixing this problem and if they could only pick one from my wishlist, I would want one of the more major problems fixed.
Not really relevant to the video but I had a thought to do with jays mom and where she is
So it was revealed in an unused concept that libby left jay at the junkyard because someone was after her and her child and I think it could have been khanjakan
I think each realm could have a different crystal such as ninjago having the realm crystal and they had a different crystal with a unique ability and djinnjago was home to a crystal that let you see different moments in Time like the past and the future and khanjakan saw jay defeating his son and imprisoning him back into the teapot causing khanjakan for a brief moment to travel to ninjago and either kill or kidnapp him causing libby to hide her son in the last place a kidnapper would probably expect
This leads to khanjakan kidnapping libby and imprisoning her in the realm of djinnjago for not giving up her sons hiding spot
They could then find a way to make jay travel to the destroyed realm of djinnjago in an effort to find his mother after somehow finding out she is still alive
This is just a theory I came up with and I'm well aware this more than likely will not be true
It’s really interesting and exciting. They should make a special season for all our crazy and fabulous ideas (fanmade type)
Obviously, pythor got the nunchucks because he faced jay in that one legacy short to promote the legacy storm glider. I don't know why anyone else saw that!
He took the nunchucks because it was the only weapon left
I'd say the mechanic is also a Jay villain for two reasons: first, the mechanic was introduced in Skybound, and second, the mechanic was pretty important in Prime Empire.
Honestly, I don’t mind if Jay doesn’t have a recurring villain as all the other villains suffered from villain decay overtime.
So? Jay himself gets so much focus in the series that he's only behind Lloyd and Kai. Not to mention Jay focused seasons are always the most clear about their focus ninja. And don't get me started on the sets...
Ya I was thinking something along those lines as well
I think season 8 jay is better than season 1 jay. (CHANGE MY MIND.)
0:58 how? He will 99% be in the new series
Yes
I just wish jay could have a season that doesn’t revolve around his relationship with nya
Jesus Christ I just noticed all the white parts of the eyes are pointed up and I can’t stop looking
What about FugiDove? Is he as forgettable in real life as he is in the show? He's literally obsessed with Jay!
I wouldn’t really call him a villain he claimed that he hate Jay the most but his whole story is about how obsessed he is with him
No jay 😢
They also all have a mustache
Yeah
no matter what happens in lloyd
Zane is jays villain because of that one episode of Wus Teas
Have you seen the new alleged set names or already making a video abt it?
Jay villains never got defeated 😅
THE MECHCANIC SHOULD BEEN JAY'S VILLIN LIKE HE WAS A BAD GUY IN HIS BOTH OF HIS SEASONS AND NYA GOT KIDNAP AND SHE DATE JAY AND DAY OF DEPATPARETD HE [SMAUKIA] KIDNAPS ENDA
The mechanic is pretty jay-ish.
I think jay should of faced the mechanic nya v HARUMI and llyod v pythor
maybe the 2023 series will fix it.
Jay's villain is Nakahan, that is my opinion, plus he tried to marry Nya, Villain, written all over that tea pot dweller!!!!. Onigami turned good at the end of prime empire, know he is a good citizen of Ninjago city.
Fugidove
Its obviously because you can't hate jay
Yes you can this comment section is full of 5 years olds
True that no one can hate Jay he’s sooo cool and hilarious
@@Giraffecutie true but he got a lot of hate in the new seasons and got to the point of death threats because jay was sad about nya death and the first episode got focused on jay sadness more than Kai sadness so people got really mad even though Kai and nya always stick together in a lot episode more than jay and nya so it has to make sense why jay got the spot light not only that he got abandoned by everyone in his past life and cause him having problems with friendship and feeling that the team can abandon him any time
@@Giraffecutie but no people has to make it a problem
@@Pinkneon. honestly I don’t know
Hii
STOP BADMOUTHING JAY!!!!
He’s not.
This really shows that you have not watched the video
Jay dick rider right here every one same with the six people who liked his comment
He’s not
😂😂😂 Calm down, he's not real ffs
Season 12 is so forgettable