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spiderman is owned by sony so disney had to make a deal with sony for spiderman to join the mcu, and if you havent watch it yet check out the best spiderman movie hamds down sony's into the spider-verse
Btw since you guys have seen the tobey meguire trilogy i recomend at some point you guys watch the andrew garfield duology to see the diferences and similarities between tobeys, andrews and toms spidermans as peter parker and as the hero side
I love Baron Zemo - he may not have had much screen time, but I think he was still a very effective and complex character and he did more damage to the Avengers than any other "villain".
I always love the scene where Bucky tries punching Spiderman and then spiderman just catches it. Bucky ends up being shocked by the event and I think its for 3 reasons, normally his punches are strong enough that they shouldnt just be caught so easily, and as soon as his punch was caught so nonchalantly he hears spiderman say “woah you have metal arm?” And realizes hes fighting against kid, not only that but the same kid was strong enough to catch his punch and be relaxed enough to throw banter in the middle of a fight between superheroes. This movie is truly incredible and I cant wait for the rest of the marvel reactions😭❤️🔥
This. It's kinda like how you can build up an unfamiliar protagonist purely by fearful reactions from characters you already think of as "tough"... similarly, we already have a very healthy respect for the power of that arm... and then for Spidey to just intercept the punch in such a callous fashion.... 😲
"I can see both sides" - and that's why this movie is so damn well done. There's no clear "right" side, and Helmut Zemo did accomplish what he set out to do. Martin Freeman will return, and they make good use of his comedic timing; I will be very surprised if you don't appreciate it. This is really quite the ride you're in for. Regarding Tom Holland as Peter Parker / Spider-Man, he is my favorite, by far. He really captures the essence of the character.
25:15 Bucky is not trying to kill Tony here. Tony can live without the Arc reactor since the end of Iron Man 3. Bucky is just trying to turn off the suit to end the fight PS: I discovered your channel through your reactions to Sherlock and I love that you are now also reacting to Marvel and even The Hunger Games. Your reactions are awesome! keep it up! I can't wait to watch all of Marvel's other projects with you guys
Tom Holland is perfect as the teenager Spider-Man and whatever people’s opinions are, his chemistry with RDJ is really good I always find this film kinda hard to watch cuz I hate seeing Cap and Iron Man fight, it’s really good but I prefer it when they’re friends
This film is arguably the most profound and thought-provoking of all the Marvel films. The ethical and moral dilemmas of being "superheroes" and the responsibilities involved can be debated for hours. Should superheroes do as they please, wherever they please, destroy whatever they want, without anyone's permission? NO! Should superheroes be fully controlled by politicians and governments, who may be corrupt? NO! Tony Stark and Steve Rogers were both right AND wrong regarding their freedoms and responsibilities. They were both prideful and self-righteous. They let their egos destroy their friendship as well as the Avengers team. With great power comes great responsibility. HUBRIS can and will destroy a superhero faster than any villain.
Except the Avengers weren't doing "what they pleased." Most of the damage shown was due to evil actors. The main exception is Segovia, which is 100% on Tony, because he created Ultron. So in a way Tony's sense of guilt is proper. Can't see where Steve was ever prideful or self-righteous, or Tony for matter. He had reason to feel guilty about Segovia, and he's still suffering from PTSD from New York. Steve's choice was illuminated by Carol's words at Peggy's funeral; no, _you_ move.
The Avengers twice went into Sokovia and wreaked havoc. SHIELD saw itself as above the Law by building Project Insight, and they were almost defeated by HYDRA. Great carnage unsued. In “Civil War”, the Avengers laid waste to Lagos, and then they wiped out an airport in Berlin. Not once did any of them ask permission from a sovereign nation or the United Nations.
@@Caseytify Because he wasn't willing to compromise, period: Steve said it himself. What if the Avengers want to go somewhere, and they get told no? From their perspective, they'd be 100% correct to disobey that order. But in real life, would you really want an international and non-government organisation with superhumans like the Hulk and Vision to operate unilaterally and without oversight? And specifically led by someone who says openly that having said oversight is "surrendering the right to choose"? He may be morally correct because its fiction, but that sort of attitude in real life is terrifying: just because Steve is moral does not mean everyone around him is. Wanda, Scott Lang and so on are all criminals to some degree, even openly willing to kill in Wanda's case from Ultron. Even if there was some kind of oversight whilst remaining independent, Steve was never going to listen to them if he truly believed he was right. Which is exactly what he criticised Tony for. He's a paragon of virtue, but still hypocritical because he is human, which is what makes him a compelling character.
@@Caseytify i know tony is at fault for creating ultron but we forget that wanda fucked with tony's mind prior to that by giving him a horrible visions and lets tony take scepter knowing fullwell he's gonna do something worse with it ,so i think she's just as gulity as tony is in this matter considering wanda and quicksiver help ultron to execute his plans much faster,also all the ptsd tony went through from alien invasions,terrorist attacks etc(i'm not saying tony is innocent her but some of the stuff were out of his control)
When Spider-Man showed up with his moving eyes everyone went nuts like before this point Spider-Man never had moving eyes and never teamed up with other marvel hero’s in live action so when that happened everyone went crazy.
@@ulricaandrae4381 yeah I remember when the trailer came out with Spider-Man everyone was freaking out even I freak out like I never thought I would see Spider-Man in the MCU with the moving eyes like me and my brother watched it together and we were both excited to see it after he showed up.
I really REALLY hope they keep those eyes for future movies. That is one of the defining characteristics of Spiderman showing his emotions with the mask on.
@@davidmacy411 agree I think they will because the PS Spider-Man has those eyes because of the MCU so I think they will keep it and I hope they will keep it.
Why does everyone go crazy when Bucky is trying to take out Tony's reactor it no longer keeps him alive he had all the shrapnel removed in Iron man 3 so his reactor being damaged isn't going to kill him it would just disable his suit which ends the fight
For me this is the best of all the MCU movies. Works on so many levels. It feels like everything in the previous movies was building up to this. It’s a pressure to watch you guys finally get to enjoy it.
Trin says "This movie was no joke". 100% agree! I may be Team Cap but I freely admit everyone had their own valid viewpoints in this film. Steve, Tony, T'Challa, even Zemo.
Cap never knew Bucky killed his parent but both him and Natasha were told by robot hydra doctor tubby on the old tv screen. Knew they had been killed by hydra agents. But Cap was finding it out as Tony was! Hard to explain in a fragile moment such as that. Not surprised it went badly lol
He still didnt tell Tony as well as he didnt acknowledge that fact. He played him and lied. So it doesnt even matter that it wasnt him Cap is still a bad friend for doing that.
Great reaction, guys. To this date, this is my second favourite MCU movie. It's so complicated and you can understand both sides. There's something about watching 'enhanced' people, fight each other. I love it!
That scene where Tony sees that footage...I agree and disagree. From an unbiased, purely logical level, it truly wasn't bucky who did all that stuff, and shouldn't be blamed for it. That being said, I still understand Tony lashing out. It is a rare individual who could outweigh their emotional reaction with logic.
The other half of the joy of seeing Spider-Man, is that the film rights to him and several other Marvel properties (X-Men, Fantastic Four, etc.) had been languishing in Sony/Fox's grip. And this was the moment that everyone really knew for sure that Marvel was reclaiming those beloved characters
@@JHolland At the airport, he was "going easy on them". I guess that fighting pattern got a little more intense at the end, but yeah - I imagine he didn't want to kill Steve but could have vaporized Bucky at will. I guess he wanted to exact physical vengeance.
I’m pretty sure Spider-Man wasn’t in the MCU yet bc Sony had the movie rights or something for the character like that. So Marvel had to work out a deal to get him into the MCU.
Correct. Sony still has the rights, too, which is why so much Spider-Man adjacent stuff is still coming through Sony, like Venom and Morbius (not to mention Into the Spider-Verse, of course). It's also why the Spider-Man games are PlayStation exclusives (well, other than now being available on PC, but that's a recent thing).
I appreciate your take on this (Tony going cray-cray...I would also do whatever if you hurt my mom). It's a great film because no one wins...even Zemo. The next time you see Cap and Tony together is brilliant because of all of this that happened. So excited for your next one!
I understand Tony’s conflict at seeing his parents’ murder, but I’m surprised at his blanket blame of Bucky. Tony used to make weapons so he more than any other should understand it is not the gun’s fault. A gun can’t tell the difference between a tin can or a 6 year old. It’s the person who aimed and fired the gun’s fault. It’s the person who gave access to the gun. It’s the person who made the gun. Bucky didn’t choose to fire the gun, he was the gun. He had no choice. He had no free will and is actually making the decision to go back into cryo rather than take the chance of being used again. And it’s especially sad because he didn’t want to get involved with any of this, he just wanted to eat some freaking plums!
I will say though we can't blame Sam or Captain America's team for what happened to Rhodey. He did tell Vision to shoot the laser at Sam... but Sam moved. so it would have happened to either Sam or Rhodey. So we should either blame Vis for being so careless with the power he has or at Rhodey for telling Vis (a newly formed being) to try and stop Sam :/
No, it wouldn't have happened to Sam, Sam still had wings. Rhodey literally tells him to turn Sam from a flier into a glider. He would have been able to glide down safely.
You can see why MCU movies do have a lot of rewatchability value. There is so much packed into many of the movies. Peter Parker's reason really meant he could have been on Cap's side. What he did for Tony was add a person to his team who could restrain members of Team Cap. Tony didn't want to hurt anyone on Team Cap. The planning that went into this movie looked at so many details. They looked at each hero's beliefs and how they would align between Team Iron Man and Team Cap. They also wanted to make sure that the teams were balanced so it was as even a fight as possible.
This is one of my all-time favourite MCU movies. It might even be my #1. They did such a good job of creating the conflict between the heroes in a way that you could really see both sides and understand why each of them feels the way they do, without any of them being a bad guy.
To be honest we didn't blame Sam at all, we were mainly angry at the whole situation that is so frustratin that it get poor Rhodes to be injured that bad, sad that people can't understand that.
Another amazing reaction! You guys are in for a fantastic ride! Also: The rights to Spider-Man on the big screen are owned by Sony, so Marvel Studios had to negotiate to get him in the film. It was a shock when we saw him in this movie.
I get Tony, I get Steve, I get T'Challa, I even get Zemo. What is good, what is bad, it is not always so easy to decide. Except I'm sure the battle at the airport was a moment of anthology. And now, after all those battles and injuries, it's time to go see the doctor. Who ? A strange one. 😁
This movie, like the previous Cap movie, was a revelation. It showed that the MCU was capable of telling a crossover story in their interconnected universe with smaller, personal stakes, while including a large cast of super characters without losing the thread. This was so much better than Age of Ultron it was amazing. No wonder the Russos were tapped for the next two Avengers movies.
In the Winter Soldier cap movie, when Steve and Natasha go to the abandoned army base and discover the hydra ai, the data on the screens mentions about Tony's parents being murdered by Bucky among other missions. I loved this movie but did hate seeing Tony and Steve fighting at the end, sympathising with both. Steve was right to stand for Bucky, but i hated two characters i loved, badly hurting each other on multiple levels.
they didn't say Bucky murdered his parent, he just hinted that the Starks' deaths were not an accident like was reported and that it was Hydra in general that did it.
This movie is awesome! Both sides have their merits. The surprises of Spider-Man and Black Panther showing up was huge when this movie first came out. All those large title cards for places and dates throughout the movie was just a setup for the "Queens" title card, because we all knew that meant Spidey - and the theater when nuts when that title card went up. I'm so glad Marvel and Sony worked it out to get him in the MCU. Tom Holland is awesome as a younger version of the character. Chad Boseman, may he R.I.P., was the perfect Black Panther. I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of your Marvel reactions.
the great thing about this film is the growth on Tony and Steve..you thought Tony will be the 1st to reject the accords right? that is if he's still the Tony from Iron Man 1..but Avengers came, Iron Man 3 came, Age of Ultron came..so felt more responsible thru the his experiences..same with Cap..if he still the Steve from Cap America 1, he will accept it because he is a straight-soldier..but Avengers and CA2 Winter Soldier came, and he felt like being under the govts authority or any authority is very prone to being compromised just like what happend w/ Shield..and yes, they both have good points.. with your point of they are still people..that's where Ross point comes in when he ask Cap if they know where Hulk and Thor are..those are also just human forms..no suits..but they are pretty dangerous if something triggered them that might endanger civilians.. you will know that its a great movie if you cant choose which side you'll be on..because you understand both sides.. this movie is actually loosely-based on a Marvel comics storyline, Civil War with Cap vs Tony also..the premise of the conflict there is different from this one.. with the Spiderman films..they are Marvel, but not Disney-owned Marvel Studios..the rights for the spiderman is owned by Sony..so Tobey's trilogy and Andrew garfield's 2 amazing spiderman films are both owned by Sony and they are not MCU..Disney just made a deal with Sony to have the character be shared on both studios..thats why spiderman is here..the Tom's spiderman movies are Marvel Studios and Sony produced..anyways, you have to watch the 2 amazing spiderman films..its important in the future..hehe.. next one is also one of the best..
I love this movie because it really makes you question and understand each point of view. They both have good intentions and feel they're doing what's right. But I think neither side was the best option, I think there's a middle ground to be found between both ideas. I've always preferred Tony because he's flawed and relatable with real human reactions, so we get to watch him grow into a hero. Where Cap on the other hand is that near perfect figure. So I actually really loved that Cap admitted to being wrong and apologized to Tony for keeping what he knew about his parents from him. It made me appreciate Caps character more then I had.
The serum given to Bucky by HYDRA was almost identical to the one Steve Rogers received. Zola reverse-engineered it from the Red Skull's blood (remember he was Dr Erskine's first serum recipient). However, the forumla was lost when Dr Erskine was killed and many organizations attempted to recreate the super-soldier serum over the years/decades since WW2. The serum Bucky retrieved from the car trunk in 1991 and given to the other Winter Soldiers was one that Howard Stark helped develop. And don't forget that General Ross (now Secretary of State Ross) had a two-part serum that he administered to Emil Blonsky/Abomination in the Hulk movie. In any event, all of the derivative serums have similar effects to the original, but are slightly less effective and/or have negative side-effects.
Speaking of ross, isn't it a little hypocritical of him to guilt trip theAvengers for not knowing where the Hulk was when he spent years of his life trying to catch the guy? (who was also another attempt to replicate Erskine's Serum)?
I love the banter between Spider-Man, Falcon and Winter Soldier. The actors even took it off screen as well. Watching interviews from them from this movie was great :P
This was actually the movie in the MCU that caused me to go back through and watch every MCU movie, and commit to the future MCU movies. I had seen a select few, Iron Man, Iron Man 2, Avengers, Age of Ultron… as good as those movies are, I never really fully “got” exactly what they were trying to build. I didn’t perceive it as an ongoing story/universe. Civil War absolutely blew my mind. A complex story, a balancing of this many characters EFFECTIVELY without it feeling too crowded, with the action we all know and love. I went back through and watched everything because of this movie, so well done. The one point I want to make to all of the people who agreed with the accords being signed, is that even TONY himself did not agree with himself by the end of this movie, and acted without government authorization. By the end of this, Natasha, Tony, and Black Panther all changed sides to go against the accords, and for good reason. Spider-Man’s motivation he laid out to Stark when they met suggests he wouldn’t agree to the accords, and Vision is obviously conflicted. Only Rhodes stayed agreeing with signing the accords. If you agree with the accords, than you disagree with every time the avengers have acted in the past, or in the FUTURE of the MCU, simply because the actions were not approved by a government panel. At that rate, forget saving the world! Gotta wait for political debate and agreement!
I don't necessarily agree with the Accords, but I do agree with Tony trying to be proactive with them so as to get at least some say or leverage. The Accords were coming whether the Avengers agreed to them or not. If Thanos hadn't come along, it would have been almost impossible for the Avengers to do much because the world would have been against them.
@@mechanomics2649 I see what you’re trying to say, but if the world would have been against them to that degree, I don’t see why the world tried for the accords to begin with. Clearly the world leaders believed they needed the avengers at some level, otherwise they would have just sought to disband them altogether. There was always going to be another threat. Even a threat smaller than Thanos, and they would have been needing the help of the avengers, whether they signed or not.
I'm late to the party and someone has probably told you this already but Spider-Man took so long to join the MCU because of legal reasons. Marvel sold the Spider-Man movie rights to Sony in the 90's (Sony was the one who produced the 2000's and 2010's Spider-Man movies). By the time they were producing Civil War, Sony and Marvel had come to a legal agreement and Marvel was able to bring Spider-Man into the MCU. The stand-alone Spider-Man movies are still produced by Sony, but they are officially part of the MCU. It's the same reason why we don't have the X-Men or the Fantastic Four (also Marvel characters) in the MCU. Their movie rights were owned by Fox. Disney has since bought Fox, and they already owned Marvel. So now Marvel is now free to add them to the MCU. When you think about it, it's absolutely incredible what Disney/Marvel did with the MCU during the Infinity saga. They took characters who were basically unknown to non-comic book fans and created a huge franchise out it. The X-Men, Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four were by far the biggest names in Marvel comics and they couldn't use them in their movies, but Marvel Studios still made it work.
When they were much younger Marissa Tomei and Robert Downey Jr were co-stars in a romantic comedy called Only You. It made me so happy to see them together on the couch when Peter Parker got home.
This movie didn't even feel like a Captain America movie! It is soooo good and your reactions were priceless lol. Relationships are really tested here and we hate to see it, but can't bare to look away!
We've seen Cap's Shield deflect a blast from Iron Man without any damage to the shield. Bucky's arm, however, was fried by an Iron Man blast, so we can reasonably assume that Bucky's arm is not made of Vibranium. According to the Marvel Fandom website, Bucky's arm was made of titanium. In "Captain America: The Winter Soldier", Dr. Strange's name was one of the ones that Zola's algorithm identified, according to Jasper Sitwell: "You. A TV anchor in Cairo, the Undersecretary of Defense, a high school valedictorian in Iowa City. Bruce Banner, Stephen Strange, anyone who's a threat to HYDRA. Now, or in the future."
9:12 I love that they put this part in. Spiderman is perhaps one of the strongest Alpha level mutants in the Marvel universe. He does count as a mutant because his DNA was mutated by the spider bite, but he has a sustainable lifting strength of 15 to 20 tons (13.6 to 18.1 tonnes), a burst lifting strength of about 35 tons (31.8 tonnes), and can punch twice as hard as the Hulk (confirmed canon in the Devil's Reign: Spiderman series). Yet, because of the great power great responsibility thing, and because he has superhuman agility and control, he is holding back 99.8% of the time in the comic books and MCU. Bucky is no slouch either, as most people that he punches with his arm are disabled or injured, and he can kill if he focuses all of his strength into a single punch. He punched full force at Spidey, and yet he catches the punch, and using maybe 15 to 20% of his strength, easily bends the arm away while commenting on how cool it was. It's a very subtle nod in the MCU to just how unbelievably strong Spiderman actually is.
Perhaps one of the most under-rated moments is between Tony and the mother of the young man who died in AoU. All the lady does is reach for a photo, but Tony's PTSD/anxiety makes him reflexively protect himself. He's paranoid. Lost his girl, shaken to his bones by aliens, fresh from a parent-memory.... and then the tremendous guilt of the collateral cost of saving the world. To this day, I pondered heavily if she was working for Zemo. Her timing was fatal to the Avengers.
6:00 fun fact ! Wanda is manipulating visions power to change his density, she is making him super dense and heavy so he is being pulled down by gravity rather than Wanda pushing him !
At the end when cap had the shield raised ready to hit tony, tony covers his face thinking cap would use the shield to kill him. That was the wake up call for both of them to stop, tony thought he would die and cap thought tony would really think cap would use the shield on him. Cap also leaves the shield at the end, he’s no longer captain America, he’s nomad. Also anyone on team cap is now a wanted fugitive by the end of the film. Also please watch the X-men series Please watch the amazing spider man series And please watch into the spider verse animated movie you will love it ❤
Tony and steve had character arcs in the complete opposite directions. Steve was working with the large organisations to fight threats, the army vs hydra and shield vs loki. During winter soldier he learned that those organisations can't be trusted as they are vulnerable, he needs to make the decisions for himself. Tony was arrogant and cocky, he thought his shit didn't stink. The threats he dealt with in his films, stane, whiplash and killian were all made by either him or his dad, he caused the threats to appear, ultron being his greatest fuck up. He blames himself and thinks that he can't be trusted with the power he wields so he needs oversight to stop those problems he causes. This film has great character development from these two
Even the big bad wasn't evil. In fact, whoever takes Tony's side at the end must also understand Zemo. Same motivation and Tony would have killed an innocent man (Bucky) as well.
Zemo turned to evil. He murdered at will to set up his Plan. No remorse at all. All he cared about was his rage and lust for vengeance. Even if his plan had worked perfectly, with him getting away with it and being free, he would most probably keep killing. All he had left was his rage.
@@Stogie2112 I doubt we've seen the same movie. Zemo didn't want to get away with it. He just sat there to shoot a bullet in his head. He was done. And Stark would have killed Bucky if Steve hadn't been there.
@@TomTomson81 I was with you on everything until that word *_”innocent”._* Even people with mental ailments, cognitive malfunctions, legitimately-diagnosed with schizophrenia, psychopathy, sociopathy, etc aren’t deemed *_”innocent”_* when their actions are criminal. He wasn’t himself. He deserves SOME grace, but He wasn’t *_”innocent”._*
@@Stogie2112 He did feel SOME remorse. Just not enough. BTW, if that Hydra guy he drowned had talked, he wouldn't have had to frame Bucky for the bombing. He'd gone straight from that houseto Siberia, taken the video and made sure Tony got to see it. And his actions in later showings were consistent with his ideology of what needs to be done to bring about a better world. he might be a villain, but he wasn't full on evil. Shades of gray.
This movie is just a straight masterpiece, the crossover for each character is on point, even though the storyline is different in the comics, I love how they did the fight scenes in the movie....... Great review.
The Spiderman character is still technically owned by Sony. Disney had to work out a special deal in order to use him. The Spiderman movies are made by Sony, with Marvel's input and they get to use him as a side character in other Marvel movies. The deal almost ended at one point and they had to renegotiate. You may want to watch the Amazing Spiderman movies at some point, before phase 4. It would be beneficial.
There are two strangers in d.c. universe Adam strange who is similar to iron Man then hugo strange a therapist who manipulates super villains to achieve his goal. Marvel's doctor strange is on a different level than those two.
Brilliant reaction! Love this movie! It was sad the first time you were watching, Because i grew up with the Avengers movies, and they fighting here, Can't wait to see the next one
Addressing your comment about Spiderman not being in earlier: it was all about contract negotiations with Sony which actually owns the Spiderman IP.. this was their first attempt at "sharing" him with the MCU.
I grade the Avengers movies separate from the stand alone movies. I will say that, for me, this felt like an Avengers 2.5 movie amd only because Thor and Bruce weren't there. I personally think both Bruce and Thor would be on Steve's side. I am definitely team cap. That's his best friend since childhood and also the only link he has left from his life in a different era. Of course I don't blame Tony for being upset, but who would Steve be if he just let Tony murder him in the name of vengeance? That would also make Tony the very example of going rouge against the accords and he would have to face murder charges of a P.O.W. war hero who was captured and experimented on. Steve and Natasha were told by Zola that there were many S.H.I.E.L.D agents killed off, and the screen showed Howard Stark along with others. Steve knew the Starks were murdered, but he wasn't sure until that video if it was by Bucky or some hydra agent. I don't think he asked Bucky because maybe he didn't want to feel guilty by the answer if it confirmed his fear of it because of the conflict. The report file that Natasha gave Steve on Bucky in his second movie, may not have had all of his secret assassinations listed. Again, I understand Tony's anger because it's freshly hot from just watching their deaths. However, Steve knows Tony well enough that he wouldn't see Bucky as a victim too. Steve knew that if he didn't stand between them, that Tony would indeed kill Bucky for something that wasn't his fault. I would do the same. I also side with him on the accords. Each movie or after credit past phase one has intros of people for a future movie. Sometimes a callback may take years to come back around. Ultron, and what he did to Sokovia, was absolutely Tony's fault, and he was siding with the accords because of his guilt. When Cap dropped his shield, he became a different character named Nomad. He became a soldier without a country. Back in the 90's Marvel comics was heading into financial ruin, so two studios came to buy the rights to certain properties of Marvel characters and Story arc. Sony bought Spiderman, and Fox got the Xmen franchise. Disney and Sony locked heads with negotiations because Sony won't sell his character. They had to compromise a deal that could benefit both studios. It almost didn't happen, so Tom Holland even made a call to the execs and begged them to figure it out . So, this is why you haven't seen him in any of these other movies. This is his and Black Panther's tease up for their own individual movies. The 90's Blade movies were purchased by another studio, but they are all Marvel based characters. Watching this in the theaters got me so hyped that my nerves were on end and my body muscles were wound tight. It was badass overload and I loved it. Remember, a lot of what you see is based off of comics. The writers and directors take certain liberties to make story arcs bridge together and make sense. I'm glad you both enjoyed that rollercoaster ride. Lol.
Up there with the very best Marvel movies, possibly my fave.. Absolutely loved Civil War. You’re correct in multiple layers to it 👌🏻. Enjoy your reactions guys.. although I’m kinda going backwards with them. Happened upon your Infinity War one last week & then watched your Captain Marvel, Dr Strange, Thor Ragnarok, now this one.. Damn you algorithm!! I know these movies (& DC) inside out so it doesn’t really matter to me if they’re all mixed up but it’s cool watching the pieces fall into place with you guys. You seem to have enjoyed yourselves along the way. Waiting for your Endgame to drop.. to we see what’s what 😎😁.
Extremely great writing in this one. They adapted the original comic story very nicely. The comics are way bigger, and i know there isn't a budget in the world that could pull it off, but its so much more tragic too. They changed a lot, but still made it tragic and still made us care. Love it, glad ya'll were surprised about a few things. Very fun reaction.
Marvel didn't take advantage of Spiderman sooner in the MCU because Sony owns the movie rights to Spiderman, not Marvel/Disney. So any MCU film with Spiderman involves dealing with Sony.
I started watching you for the Walking Dead, but all of your reactions are soo good!! I wanted to agree with Cap, but if I lived in a world with superheroes - especially if those heroes were loyal to one country above all others (eg: Captain America or even Superman), and those supes could potentially be mind-controlled to kill like Bucky, and they killed a ton of civilians with no accountability even by accident - I think I'd definitely want some kind of controls or failsafe systems in place. Bucky and Cap have lived around 100 years. What happens if the Winter Soldier gets dementia someday? What would the world do if the Hulk had a psychotic break? So yeah, they both had good points, but ultimately I'd have to go with Tony on this one.
The previous Spider-Man films weren't MCU related. Marvel sold the rights to Spider-Man to Sony years ago. After Iron-Man (the first Marvel Studios film) was a hit, Marvel went into negotiations with Sony to try to get the rights to Spider-Man back. They settled on kind of a joint custody of the character -- which meant Spider-Man could return to the Marvel fold hence the double meaning title: Spider-Man: Homecoming.
What have all superhero comic book plot lines always had in common? When the heroes are not fighting villains, they're fighting each other. Ego, hubris, self-righteousness and super-competitiveness always instigate conflicts and fights.
I would encourage you to watch The Amazing Spiderman 1 and 2. When the first one came out, I felt like it wasn't worth revisiting the superhero, but they turned out to be very enriching to the character overall. They are worth watching especially if you want to hit the entire Marvel check list.
As I said before the story began in a Captain America comic, than morphed into a series called Civil War, and continued in every Avengers comic. Do some research Civil War is much bigger than you think.
Don't think there was a podcast, but the trailer commercials egged on the competition by asking what team you were on. A convenience store called 7-11 had special drink cups for their Slurpee beverage with a team cap cup, or team iron man cup.
I know you have everyone in this one, but it still is technically a Captain America Movie. Here is a helpful guide for the future to help you keep track! (I have be incredibly cautious in this so there won't be any spoilers - one or two things were things not said in this title... but will be discovered when next you see said characters and so I feel that's not a big deal) Here we go... Iron Man and War Machine are still allies. Hawkeye is retired and under government watch and Ant-Man is back home under government watch. Hulk is still missing. Thor is out trying to find out what his visions from Age of Ultron meant. Wanda and Black Widow (and Sharon Carter) are on the run because they helped Cap. Cap is also on the run. Bucky is being deprogrammed by the people in Wakanda where Black Panther is now king. Vision's location is also unknown as of this time. I hope that was useful! Loving these reactions! As you can tell... I am a massive MCU nerd!
They waited so long to add Spider-Man because his film rights belonged to another company, Sony. They finally came to an agreement to allow Spider-Man to appear in the MCU.
Great reaction. For me, this movie was the point where the MCU just took off like crazy. Every movie after this just kept getting better and better. In this one, you see how both Tony Stark and Steve Rodgers change. In the past, Tony was brash and took all kinds of crazy chances. Steve on the other hand, was a consummate soldier, always following orders. In this movie we see how they have both gone to the other end of the spectrum. In fact with Tony, you see it at the beginning of the movie - he's talking to some college students and he's reading off a teleprompter. He would have never done that before. Steve, in contrast, now becomes a "criminal." Great movie. Definitely one of favorite MCU movies.
im really glad you guys liked this movie as much as us marvel fans did. from day 1, i was with tony's side although cap' s side was also sound. but man did this movie really hit. still to this day would be on tony's side. and really understandable. but also shows how cap is so mature that he understands tony's pain and still offers help before the movie ends.
I agree. Im more on tony's side but im really on neither if im being honest. I agree that they shouldn't be controlled but i also agree that they shouldn't have the freedom to hurt innocent people and face no consequences. The incredibles all over again LOL!!. I feel like people with no bias will choose neither but cap has a bigger following respectfully and on paper caps side sounds better esp since we are watching a superhero movie lmfaooo!!
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spiderman is owned by sony so disney had to make a deal with sony for spiderman to join the mcu, and if you havent watch it yet check out the best spiderman movie hamds down sony's into the spider-verse
Btw since you guys have seen the tobey meguire trilogy i recomend at some point you guys watch the andrew garfield duology to see the diferences and similarities between tobeys, andrews and toms spidermans as peter parker and as the hero side
@@joshbrosh6626 They did recently over on Patreon
@@HIPsteHeero oh really tnx for informing me
the best of marvel! cant wait for ya'll to get to the last avengers movies
I love Baron Zemo - he may not have had much screen time, but I think he was still a very effective and complex character and he did more damage to the Avengers than any other "villain".
Yes a favorite of mine and I don’t blame him or Tony for their reactions
“And the avengers .. they went home” 💔 think Zemo is my favourite villian, just edges out ultron
I really enjoyed his character in falcon and the winter soldier series
@@ladyhotep5189 Especially his club dancing... :)
... They really expand his character in that series. He's more of an anti-hero than a villain.
One of my favorite villains in all of super hero movies.
I always love the scene where Bucky tries punching Spiderman and then spiderman just catches it.
Bucky ends up being shocked by the event and I think its for 3 reasons, normally his punches are strong enough that they shouldnt just be caught so easily, and as soon as his punch was caught so nonchalantly he hears spiderman say “woah you have metal arm?” And realizes hes fighting against kid, not only that but the same kid was strong enough to catch his punch and be relaxed enough to throw banter in the middle of a fight between superheroes. This movie is truly incredible and I cant wait for the rest of the marvel reactions😭❤️🔥
This. It's kinda like how you can build up an unfamiliar protagonist purely by fearful reactions from characters you already think of as "tough"... similarly, we already have a very healthy respect for the power of that arm... and then for Spidey to just intercept the punch in such a callous fashion.... 😲
@@sandwiched The Worf Effect
"I can see both sides" - and that's why this movie is so damn well done. There's no clear "right" side, and Helmut Zemo did accomplish what he set out to do.
Martin Freeman will return, and they make good use of his comedic timing; I will be very surprised if you don't appreciate it.
This is really quite the ride you're in for. Regarding Tom Holland as Peter Parker / Spider-Man, he is my favorite, by far. He really captures the essence of the character.
25:15 Bucky is not trying to kill Tony here. Tony can live without the Arc reactor since the end of Iron Man 3. Bucky is just trying to turn off the suit to end the fight
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Exactly. Tony us out to kill, Steve and Bucky try to disarm without killing Tony. Huge difference
Tom Holland is perfect as the teenager Spider-Man and whatever people’s opinions are, his chemistry with RDJ is really good
I always find this film kinda hard to watch cuz I hate seeing Cap and Iron Man fight, it’s really good but I prefer it when they’re friends
This film is arguably the most profound and thought-provoking of all the Marvel films.
The ethical and moral dilemmas of being "superheroes" and the responsibilities involved can be debated for hours.
Should superheroes do as they please, wherever they please, destroy whatever they want, without anyone's permission? NO!
Should superheroes be fully controlled by politicians and governments, who may be corrupt? NO!
Tony Stark and Steve Rogers were both right AND wrong regarding their freedoms and responsibilities.
They were both prideful and self-righteous. They let their egos destroy their friendship as well as the Avengers team.
With great power comes great responsibility. HUBRIS can and will destroy a superhero faster than any villain.
Except the Avengers weren't doing "what they pleased." Most of the damage shown was due to evil actors. The main exception is Segovia, which is 100% on Tony, because he created Ultron. So in a way Tony's sense of guilt is proper.
Can't see where Steve was ever prideful or self-righteous, or Tony for matter. He had reason to feel guilty about Segovia, and he's still suffering from PTSD from New York. Steve's choice was illuminated by Carol's words at Peggy's funeral; no, _you_ move.
The Avengers twice went into Sokovia and wreaked havoc. SHIELD saw itself as above the Law by building Project Insight, and they were almost defeated by HYDRA. Great carnage unsued. In “Civil War”, the Avengers laid waste to Lagos, and then they wiped out an airport in Berlin. Not once did any of them ask permission from a sovereign nation or the United Nations.
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Because he wasn't willing to compromise, period: Steve said it himself. What if the Avengers want to go somewhere, and they get told no? From their perspective, they'd be 100% correct to disobey that order. But in real life, would you really want an international and non-government organisation with superhumans like the Hulk and Vision to operate unilaterally and without oversight? And specifically led by someone who says openly that having said oversight is "surrendering the right to choose"?
He may be morally correct because its fiction, but that sort of attitude in real life is terrifying: just because Steve is moral does not mean everyone around him is. Wanda, Scott Lang and so on are all criminals to some degree, even openly willing to kill in Wanda's case from Ultron. Even if there was some kind of oversight whilst remaining independent, Steve was never going to listen to them if he truly believed he was right. Which is exactly what he criticised Tony for. He's a paragon of virtue, but still hypocritical because he is human, which is what makes him a compelling character.
@@Caseytify i know tony is at fault for creating ultron but we forget that wanda fucked with tony's mind prior to that by giving him a horrible visions and lets tony take scepter knowing fullwell he's gonna do something worse with it ,so i think she's just as gulity as tony is in this matter considering wanda and quicksiver help ultron to execute his plans much faster,also all the ptsd tony went through from alien invasions,terrorist attacks etc(i'm not saying tony is innocent her but some of the stuff were out of his control)
It's interesting that if you ask Tony and Steve about the accord on their first movie, their answer would flip.
When Spider-Man showed up with his moving eyes everyone went nuts like before this point Spider-Man never had moving eyes and never teamed up with other marvel hero’s in live action so when that happened everyone went crazy.
I had so much fun watching ppl reacting on YT to the trailer with spiderman reveal. 😅
@@ulricaandrae4381 yeah I remember when the trailer came out with Spider-Man everyone was freaking out even I freak out like I never thought I would see Spider-Man in the MCU with the moving eyes like me and my brother watched it together and we were both excited to see it after he showed up.
and First time Black Panther was on the big screen
I really REALLY hope they keep those eyes for future movies. That is one of the defining characteristics of Spiderman showing his emotions with the mask on.
@@davidmacy411 agree I think they will because the PS Spider-Man has those eyes because of the MCU so I think they will keep it and I hope they will keep it.
Why does everyone go crazy when Bucky is trying to take out Tony's reactor it no longer keeps him alive he had all the shrapnel removed in Iron man 3 so his reactor being damaged isn't going to kill him it would just disable his suit which ends the fight
16:57 yeah it got out of hand but Tony was the one who decided to make it a fight and try to turn his colleagues and friends in to the authorities.
For me this is the best of all the MCU movies. Works on so many levels. It feels like everything in the previous movies was building up to this.
It’s a pressure to watch you guys finally get to enjoy it.
Trin says "This movie was no joke". 100% agree! I may be Team Cap but I freely admit everyone had their own valid viewpoints in this film. Steve, Tony, T'Challa, even Zemo.
BIFF BAM BOOM
Nat: "We're still friends, right?"
Clint: "Depends, you still babysitting for us next weekend"
Nat: "Sure."
Clint: "Cool."
😂😂😂
Cap never knew Bucky killed his parent but both him and Natasha were told by robot hydra doctor tubby on the old tv screen. Knew they had been killed by hydra agents. But Cap was finding it out as Tony was! Hard to explain in a fragile moment such as that. Not surprised it went badly lol
He still didnt tell Tony as well as he didnt acknowledge that fact. He played him and lied. So it doesnt even matter that it wasnt him Cap is still a bad friend for doing that.
There were clues i think
So maybe cap thought of it
But wanted to believe that it wasnt bucky
He’s still suck a jerk and I bet her actually was pretty sure it was buck. LOVE Tony and Bucky but do not like cat seeing all the fake things he did
“If guardians of the galaxy come out of the sky right now im gonna cry” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Should we tell them?
Great reaction, guys. To this date, this is my second favourite MCU movie. It's so complicated and you can understand both sides. There's something about watching 'enhanced' people, fight each other. I love it!
That scene where Tony sees that footage...I agree and disagree. From an unbiased, purely logical level, it truly wasn't bucky who did all that stuff, and shouldn't be blamed for it. That being said, I still understand Tony lashing out. It is a rare individual who could outweigh their emotional reaction with logic.
Vision (Team IM) was the one who shot Roades, yet Falcon is the one who apologizes and Tony blasts him...
The other half of the joy of seeing Spider-Man, is that the film rights to him and several other Marvel properties (X-Men, Fantastic Four, etc.) had been languishing in Sony/Fox's grip. And this was the moment that everyone really knew for sure that Marvel was reclaiming those beloved characters
Civil War is by far my favorite MCU movie. It's the one I re-watch the most. It's completely top tier and so well put together.
Never understood why tony always fought hand on hand when he’s literally got lasers he woulda ended cap and Bucky well easy if he just shot at them
@@JHolland At the airport, he was "going easy on them". I guess that fighting pattern got a little more intense at the end, but yeah - I imagine he didn't want to kill Steve but could have vaporized Bucky at will. I guess he wanted to exact physical vengeance.
I’m pretty sure Spider-Man wasn’t in the MCU yet bc Sony had the movie rights or something for the character like that. So Marvel had to work out a deal to get him into the MCU.
Correct. Sony still has the rights, too, which is why so much Spider-Man adjacent stuff is still coming through Sony, like Venom and Morbius (not to mention Into the Spider-Verse, of course). It's also why the Spider-Man games are PlayStation exclusives (well, other than now being available on PC, but that's a recent thing).
I appreciate your take on this (Tony going cray-cray...I would also do whatever if you hurt my mom). It's a great film because no one wins...even Zemo. The next time you see Cap and Tony together is brilliant because of all of this that happened. So excited for your next one!
I understand Tony’s conflict at seeing his parents’ murder, but I’m surprised at his blanket blame of Bucky. Tony used to make weapons so he more than any other should understand it is not the gun’s fault. A gun can’t tell the difference between a tin can or a 6 year old. It’s the person who aimed and fired the gun’s fault. It’s the person who gave access to the gun. It’s the person who made the gun. Bucky didn’t choose to fire the gun, he was the gun. He had no choice. He had no free will and is actually making the decision to go back into cryo rather than take the chance of being used again. And it’s especially sad because he didn’t want to get involved with any of this, he just wanted to eat some freaking plums!
I will say though we can't blame Sam or Captain America's team for what happened to Rhodey. He did tell Vision to shoot the laser at Sam... but Sam moved. so it would have happened to either Sam or Rhodey. So we should either blame Vis for being so careless with the power he has or at Rhodey for telling Vis (a newly formed being) to try and stop Sam :/
And even Rhodey was trying to keep it non-lethal, he wanted Falcon turned into a glider.
No, it wouldn't have happened to Sam, Sam still had wings. Rhodey literally tells him to turn Sam from a flier into a glider. He would have been able to glide down safely.
@@mechanomics2649 either way, you can't blame Rhodey on Cap or his team.
You can see why MCU movies do have a lot of rewatchability value. There is so much packed into many of the movies.
Peter Parker's reason really meant he could have been on Cap's side. What he did for Tony was add a person to his team who could restrain members of Team Cap. Tony didn't want to hurt anyone on Team Cap.
The planning that went into this movie looked at so many details. They looked at each hero's beliefs and how they would align between Team Iron Man and Team Cap. They also wanted to make sure that the teams were balanced so it was as even a fight as possible.
This is one of my all-time favourite MCU movies. It might even be my #1. They did such a good job of creating the conflict between the heroes in a way that you could really see both sides and understand why each of them feels the way they do, without any of them being a bad guy.
I never understand how Falcon got the blame for dodging Vision's attack which hit Warmachine.
Also, 'a paramedic is coming to help my injured friend, let''s shoot him.'
"Look what you made me do!" Classic abusers mentality.
To be honest we didn't blame Sam at all, we were mainly angry at the whole situation that is so frustratin that it get poor Rhodes to be injured that bad, sad that people can't understand that.
@@robtrinreact2825 My comment was directed at Tony. XD
@@nikorumurasaki9509 Okay gotcha, we don't want people to think that we were being ungreatful to Sam, we love the character so much :)
Another amazing reaction! You guys are in for a fantastic ride!
Also: The rights to Spider-Man on the big screen are owned by Sony, so Marvel Studios had to negotiate to get him in the film. It was a shock when we saw him in this movie.
I get Tony, I get Steve, I get T'Challa, I even get Zemo. What is good, what is bad, it is not always so easy to decide.
Except I'm sure the battle at the airport was a moment of anthology.
And now, after all those battles and injuries, it's time to go see the doctor. Who ? A strange one. 😁
“He thought we wouldn’t notice but we did”
It may be strange, but who am I to judge?
@@Shritistrang I only come here to bargain
@@Rikanlegend just “bargain”? like Adele. . .?. . .Beyoncé. . .?. . .
This movie, like the previous Cap movie, was a revelation. It showed that the MCU was capable of telling a crossover story in their interconnected universe with smaller, personal stakes, while including a large cast of super characters without losing the thread. This was so much better than Age of Ultron it was amazing. No wonder the Russos were tapped for the next two Avengers movies.
In the Winter Soldier cap movie, when Steve and Natasha go to the abandoned army base and discover the hydra ai, the data on the screens mentions about Tony's parents being murdered by Bucky among other missions.
I loved this movie but did hate seeing Tony and Steve fighting at the end, sympathising with both. Steve was right to stand for Bucky, but i hated two characters i loved, badly hurting each other on multiple levels.
they didn't say Bucky murdered his parent, he just hinted that the Starks' deaths were not an accident like was reported and that it was Hydra in general that did it.
Elementary my dear Watson, There are two Sherlocks in the MCU lol RDJ was Sherlock and so was Benedict Cumberbatch.
The best thing about this story is all sides,(Cap., Tony and even Zemo) have justification in their reasoning for their actions. Top tier MCU.
THE MOVIE THAT CHANGED MCU FANFICTION, gone was the Team is Family and living together trope.
This movie is awesome! Both sides have their merits. The surprises of Spider-Man and Black Panther showing up was huge when this movie first came out.
All those large title cards for places and dates throughout the movie was just a setup for the "Queens" title card, because we all knew that meant Spidey - and the theater when nuts when that title card went up. I'm so glad Marvel and Sony worked it out to get him in the MCU.
Tom Holland is awesome as a younger version of the character. Chad Boseman, may he R.I.P., was the perfect Black Panther.
I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of your Marvel reactions.
"I don't know if you've been in a fight before, but there's usually not this much talking"
the great thing about this film is the growth on Tony and Steve..you thought Tony will be the 1st to reject the accords right? that is if he's still the Tony from Iron Man 1..but Avengers came, Iron Man 3 came, Age of Ultron came..so felt more responsible thru the his experiences..same with Cap..if he still the Steve from Cap America 1, he will accept it because he is a straight-soldier..but Avengers and CA2 Winter Soldier came, and he felt
like being under the govts authority or any authority is very prone to being compromised just like what happend w/ Shield..and yes, they both have good points..
with your point of they are still people..that's where Ross point comes in when he ask Cap if they know where Hulk and Thor are..those are also just human forms..no suits..but they are pretty dangerous if something triggered them that might endanger civilians..
you will know that its a great movie if you cant choose which side you'll be on..because you understand both sides..
this movie is actually loosely-based on a Marvel comics storyline, Civil War with Cap vs Tony also..the premise of the conflict there is different from this one..
with the Spiderman films..they are Marvel, but not Disney-owned Marvel Studios..the rights for the spiderman is owned by Sony..so Tobey's trilogy and Andrew garfield's 2 amazing spiderman films are both owned by Sony and they are not MCU..Disney just made a deal with Sony to have the character be shared on both studios..thats why spiderman is here..the Tom's spiderman movies are Marvel Studios and Sony produced..anyways, you have to watch the 2 amazing spiderman films..its important in the future..hehe..
next one is also one of the best..
Thank you for recognizing and pointing out that Bucky is a war hero and not a villain. He has been a POW for 70+ years, not a willing participant.
I love this movie because it really makes you question and understand each point of view. They both have good intentions and feel they're doing what's right. But I think neither side was the best option, I think there's a middle ground to be found between both ideas. I've always preferred Tony because he's flawed and relatable with real human reactions, so we get to watch him grow into a hero. Where Cap on the other hand is that near perfect figure. So I actually really loved that Cap admitted to being wrong and apologized to Tony for keeping what he knew about his parents from him. It made me appreciate Caps character more then I had.
The serum given to Bucky by HYDRA was almost identical to the one Steve Rogers received. Zola reverse-engineered it from the Red Skull's blood (remember he was Dr Erskine's first serum recipient). However, the forumla was lost when Dr Erskine was killed and many organizations attempted to recreate the super-soldier serum over the years/decades since WW2. The serum Bucky retrieved from the car trunk in 1991 and given to the other Winter Soldiers was one that Howard Stark helped develop. And don't forget that General Ross (now Secretary of State Ross) had a two-part serum that he administered to Emil Blonsky/Abomination in the Hulk movie. In any event, all of the derivative serums have similar effects to the original, but are slightly less effective and/or have negative side-effects.
Speaking of ross, isn't it a little hypocritical of him to guilt trip theAvengers for not knowing where the Hulk was when he spent years of his life trying to catch the guy? (who was also another attempt to replicate Erskine's Serum)?
Yall are the best reactors cant wait for black panther!
I love the banter between Spider-Man, Falcon and Winter Soldier. The actors even took it off screen as well. Watching interviews from them from this movie was great :P
Great reaction guys. This film is so complex and layered. They did a great job creating a believable conflict. So well written 🙌🏾
This was actually the movie in the MCU that caused me to go back through and watch every MCU movie, and commit to the future MCU movies. I had seen a select few, Iron Man, Iron Man 2, Avengers, Age of Ultron… as good as those movies are, I never really fully “got” exactly what they were trying to build. I didn’t perceive it as an ongoing story/universe.
Civil War absolutely blew my mind. A complex story, a balancing of this many characters EFFECTIVELY without it feeling too crowded, with the action we all know and love. I went back through and watched everything because of this movie, so well done.
The one point I want to make to all of the people who agreed with the accords being signed, is that even TONY himself did not agree with himself by the end of this movie, and acted without government authorization. By the end of this, Natasha, Tony, and Black Panther all changed sides to go against the accords, and for good reason. Spider-Man’s motivation he laid out to Stark when they met suggests he wouldn’t agree to the accords, and Vision is obviously conflicted. Only Rhodes stayed agreeing with signing the accords.
If you agree with the accords, than you disagree with every time the avengers have acted in the past, or in the FUTURE of the MCU, simply because the actions were not approved by a government panel. At that rate, forget saving the world! Gotta wait for political debate and agreement!
I don't necessarily agree with the Accords, but I do agree with Tony trying to be proactive with them so as to get at least some say or leverage. The Accords were coming whether the Avengers agreed to them or not. If Thanos hadn't come along, it would have been almost impossible for the Avengers to do much because the world would have been against them.
@@mechanomics2649 I see what you’re trying to say, but if the world would have been against them to that degree, I don’t see why the world tried for the accords to begin with. Clearly the world leaders believed they needed the avengers at some level, otherwise they would have just sought to disband them altogether. There was always going to be another threat. Even a threat smaller than Thanos, and they would have been needing the help of the avengers, whether they signed or not.
T'Challa was exempt from the Accords... (But that is for a latter discussion)
I'm late to the party and someone has probably told you this already but Spider-Man took so long to join the MCU because of legal reasons. Marvel sold the Spider-Man movie rights to Sony in the 90's (Sony was the one who produced the 2000's and 2010's Spider-Man movies). By the time they were producing Civil War, Sony and Marvel had come to a legal agreement and Marvel was able to bring Spider-Man into the MCU. The stand-alone Spider-Man movies are still produced by Sony, but they are officially part of the MCU.
It's the same reason why we don't have the X-Men or the Fantastic Four (also Marvel characters) in the MCU. Their movie rights were owned by Fox. Disney has since bought Fox, and they already owned Marvel. So now Marvel is now free to add them to the MCU.
When you think about it, it's absolutely incredible what Disney/Marvel did with the MCU during the Infinity saga. They took characters who were basically unknown to non-comic book fans and created a huge franchise out it.
The X-Men, Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four were by far the biggest names in Marvel comics and they couldn't use them in their movies, but Marvel Studios still made it work.
When they were much younger Marissa Tomei and Robert Downey Jr were co-stars in a romantic comedy called Only You. It made me so happy to see them together on the couch when Peter Parker got home.
It was RDJ who suggested marisa Tomei for the role of Aunt May.
They were also in "Chaplin" together. RDJ should've won the Oscar for that one.
speaking of layers, this might be my favourite mcu movie because it has so many layers that are so perfectly earned and crafted.
Just discovered your channel, epic reaction! Ooooooo this is going to be good!
Thank you, welcome aboard 💕
This movie didn't even feel like a Captain America movie! It is soooo good and your reactions were priceless lol. Relationships are really tested here and we hate to see it, but can't bare to look away!
We've seen Cap's Shield deflect a blast from Iron Man without any damage to the shield. Bucky's arm, however, was fried by an Iron Man blast, so we can reasonably assume that Bucky's arm is not made of Vibranium. According to the Marvel Fandom website, Bucky's arm was made of titanium.
In "Captain America: The Winter Soldier", Dr. Strange's name was one of the ones that Zola's algorithm identified, according to Jasper Sitwell: "You. A TV anchor in Cairo, the Undersecretary of Defense, a high school valedictorian in Iowa City. Bruce Banner, Stephen Strange, anyone who's a threat to HYDRA. Now, or in the future."
Can’t wait for your Dr Strange reaction. I wasn’t expecting to love him as much as I did when I watched it.
In Age of Ultron when they were chopping wood, Steve told Stark you haven't seen my dark side. This is where he sees it.
“I remember all of them” 💔
9:12 I love that they put this part in. Spiderman is perhaps one of the strongest Alpha level mutants in the Marvel universe. He does count as a mutant because his DNA was mutated by the spider bite, but he has a sustainable lifting strength of 15 to 20 tons (13.6 to 18.1 tonnes), a burst lifting strength of about 35 tons (31.8 tonnes), and can punch twice as hard as the Hulk (confirmed canon in the Devil's Reign: Spiderman series). Yet, because of the great power great responsibility thing, and because he has superhuman agility and control, he is holding back 99.8% of the time in the comic books and MCU.
Bucky is no slouch either, as most people that he punches with his arm are disabled or injured, and he can kill if he focuses all of his strength into a single punch. He punched full force at Spidey, and yet he catches the punch, and using maybe 15 to 20% of his strength, easily bends the arm away while commenting on how cool it was. It's a very subtle nod in the MCU to just how unbelievably strong Spiderman actually is.
This remains my favourite MCU movie. As I thought they couldn’t pull it off but they did!!! With Black Panther and Spider-Man!!!!
Perhaps one of the most under-rated moments is between Tony and the mother of the young man who died in AoU. All the lady does is reach for a photo, but Tony's PTSD/anxiety makes him reflexively protect himself. He's paranoid. Lost his girl, shaken to his bones by aliens, fresh from a parent-memory.... and then the tremendous guilt of the collateral cost of saving the world.
To this day, I pondered heavily if she was working for Zemo. Her timing was fatal to the Avengers.
6:00 fun fact ! Wanda is manipulating visions power to change his density, she is making him super dense and heavy so he is being pulled down by gravity rather than Wanda pushing him !
What else can I say... Really exciting reactions. Never close this channel👍
Thank you so much!
Tom Holland was the first comic accurate portrayal of Spiderman
Its one of the best MCU movies ❤ hand down.
Rob and Erin you gotta admit this is was the best one you've seen so far!! 😍 Nice reaction as always!
Oh absolutely it is definitely in the top ones!
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Both sides had valid points as to why they were right and wrong. Great story telling.
25:33 The image here is insane.. very well done
At the end when cap had the shield raised ready to hit tony, tony covers his face thinking cap would use the shield to kill him. That was the wake up call for both of them to stop, tony thought he would die and cap thought tony would really think cap would use the shield on him. Cap also leaves the shield at the end, he’s no longer captain America, he’s nomad. Also anyone on team cap is now a wanted fugitive by the end of the film.
Also please watch the X-men series
Please watch the amazing spider man series
And please watch into the spider verse animated movie you will love it ❤
They watched The Amazing Spider-Man movies over on Patreon. Hopefully they'll have a chance to edit it for YouTuibe at one point.
Yes, that's Aunt May. She was 53 in this movie. It's not her fault she's ridiculously beautiful.
This is when the saga REALLY ramps up and gets fun. Enjoying the journey with you guys.
Tony and steve had character arcs in the complete opposite directions. Steve was working with the large organisations to fight threats, the army vs hydra and shield vs loki. During winter soldier he learned that those organisations can't be trusted as they are vulnerable, he needs to make the decisions for himself. Tony was arrogant and cocky, he thought his shit didn't stink. The threats he dealt with in his films, stane, whiplash and killian were all made by either him or his dad, he caused the threats to appear, ultron being his greatest fuck up. He blames himself and thinks that he can't be trusted with the power he wields so he needs oversight to stop those problems he causes.
This film has great character development from these two
Even the big bad wasn't evil. In fact, whoever takes Tony's side at the end must also understand Zemo. Same motivation and Tony would have killed an innocent man (Bucky) as well.
Zemo turned to evil. He murdered at will to set up his Plan. No remorse at all. All he cared about was his rage and lust for vengeance. Even if his plan had worked perfectly, with him getting away with it and being free, he would most probably keep killing. All he had left was his rage.
@@Stogie2112 I doubt we've seen the same movie. Zemo didn't want to get away with it. He just sat there to shoot a bullet in his head. He was done.
And Stark would have killed Bucky if Steve hadn't been there.
@@TomTomson81 .... We saw the same movie. I was imagining a hypothetical scenario about Zemo, where he was alive and free.
@@TomTomson81 I was with you on everything until that word *_”innocent”._*
Even people with mental ailments, cognitive malfunctions, legitimately-diagnosed with schizophrenia, psychopathy, sociopathy, etc aren’t deemed *_”innocent”_* when their actions are criminal.
He wasn’t himself.
He deserves SOME grace, but
He wasn’t *_”innocent”._*
@@Stogie2112 He did feel SOME remorse. Just not enough. BTW, if that Hydra guy he drowned had talked, he wouldn't have had to frame Bucky for the bombing. He'd gone straight from that houseto Siberia, taken the video and made sure Tony got to see it.
And his actions in later showings were consistent with his ideology of what needs to be done to bring about a better world. he might be a villain, but he wasn't full on evil. Shades of gray.
27:43 you are totally right
This movie is just a straight masterpiece, the crossover for each character is on point, even though the storyline is different in the comics, I love how they did the fight scenes in the movie....... Great review.
Loved your reaction and I am SUPER hyped to see you finish the Infinity Saga!
And Antman did not keep kick Falcons ass,he messed up his wing pack. Face to Face with hands and no tricks
He’d beat the snot out of the criminal.
The Spiderman character is still technically owned by Sony. Disney had to work out a special deal in order to use him. The Spiderman movies are made by Sony, with Marvel's input and they get to use him as a side character in other Marvel movies. The deal almost ended at one point and they had to renegotiate. You may want to watch the Amazing Spiderman movies at some point, before phase 4. It would be beneficial.
There are two strangers in d.c. universe Adam strange who is similar to iron Man then hugo strange a therapist who manipulates super villains to achieve his goal. Marvel's doctor strange is on a different level than those two.
me at the pictures : "stop fighting!!!!!"
Brilliant reaction! Love this movie! It was sad the first time you were watching, Because i grew up with the Avengers movies, and they fighting here, Can't wait to see the next one
With the Avengers fractured, sure would be a bad time for Thanos to show up
Addressing your comment about Spiderman not being in earlier: it was all about contract negotiations with Sony which actually owns the Spiderman IP.. this was their first attempt at "sharing" him with the MCU.
I grade the Avengers movies separate from the stand alone movies.
I will say that, for me, this felt like an Avengers 2.5 movie amd only because Thor and Bruce weren't there.
I personally think both Bruce and Thor would be on Steve's side.
I am definitely team cap. That's his best friend since childhood and also the only link he has left from his life in a different era.
Of course I don't blame Tony for being upset, but who would Steve be if he just let Tony murder him in the name of vengeance?
That would also make Tony the very example of going rouge against the accords and he would have to face murder charges of a P.O.W. war hero who was captured and experimented on.
Steve and Natasha were told by Zola that there were many S.H.I.E.L.D agents killed off, and the screen showed Howard Stark along with others.
Steve knew the Starks were murdered, but he wasn't sure until that video if it was by Bucky or some hydra agent. I don't think he asked Bucky because maybe he didn't want to feel guilty by the answer if it confirmed his fear of it because of the conflict.
The report file that Natasha gave Steve on Bucky in his second movie, may not have had all of his secret assassinations listed.
Again, I understand Tony's anger because it's freshly hot from just watching their deaths.
However, Steve knows Tony well enough that he wouldn't see Bucky as a victim too.
Steve knew that if he didn't stand between them, that Tony would indeed kill Bucky for something that wasn't his fault.
I would do the same. I also side with him on the accords.
Each movie or after credit past phase one has intros of people for a future movie.
Sometimes a callback may take years to come back around.
Ultron, and what he did to Sokovia, was absolutely Tony's fault, and he was siding with the accords because of his guilt.
When Cap dropped his shield, he became a different character named Nomad. He became a soldier without a country.
Back in the 90's Marvel comics was heading into financial ruin, so two studios came to buy the rights to certain properties of Marvel characters and Story arc.
Sony bought Spiderman, and Fox got the Xmen franchise.
Disney and Sony locked heads with negotiations because Sony won't sell his character. They had to compromise a deal that could benefit both studios.
It almost didn't happen, so Tom Holland even made a call to the execs and begged them to figure it out .
So, this is why you haven't seen him in any of these other movies.
This is his and Black Panther's tease up for their own individual movies.
The 90's Blade movies were purchased by another studio, but they are all Marvel based characters.
Watching this in the theaters got me so hyped that my nerves were on end and my body muscles were wound tight. It was badass overload and I loved it.
Remember, a lot of what you see is based off of comics. The writers and directors take certain liberties to make story arcs bridge together and make sense.
I'm glad you both enjoyed that rollercoaster ride. Lol.
Up there with the very best Marvel movies, possibly my fave.. Absolutely loved Civil War. You’re correct in multiple layers to it 👌🏻.
Enjoy your reactions guys.. although I’m kinda going backwards with them. Happened upon your Infinity War one last week & then watched your Captain Marvel, Dr Strange, Thor Ragnarok, now this one.. Damn you algorithm!!
I know these movies (& DC) inside out so it doesn’t really matter to me if they’re all mixed up but it’s cool watching the pieces fall into place with you guys.
You seem to have enjoyed yourselves along the way.
Waiting for your Endgame to drop.. to we see what’s what 😎😁.
Extremely great writing in this one. They adapted the original comic story very nicely. The comics are way bigger, and i know there isn't a budget in the world that could pull it off, but its so much more tragic too. They changed a lot, but still made it tragic and still made us care. Love it, glad ya'll were surprised about a few things. Very fun reaction.
Just pointing out that in the year the CW comics were released, iron Man was voted by the fandom as "Villain of the year".
Marvel didn't take advantage of Spiderman sooner in the MCU because Sony owns the movie rights to Spiderman, not Marvel/Disney. So any MCU film with Spiderman involves dealing with Sony.
I started watching you for the Walking Dead, but all of your reactions are soo good!! I wanted to agree with Cap, but if I lived in a world with superheroes - especially if those heroes were loyal to one country above all others (eg: Captain America or even Superman), and those supes could potentially be mind-controlled to kill like Bucky, and they killed a ton of civilians with no accountability even by accident - I think I'd definitely want some kind of controls or failsafe systems in place. Bucky and Cap have lived around 100 years. What happens if the Winter Soldier gets dementia someday? What would the world do if the Hulk had a psychotic break? So yeah, they both had good points, but ultimately I'd have to go with Tony on this one.
You really should do a Spider-Man marathon of all the old movies and the animated Into the Spideyverse.
The previous Spider-Man films weren't MCU related. Marvel sold the rights to Spider-Man to Sony years ago. After Iron-Man (the first Marvel Studios film) was a hit, Marvel went into negotiations with Sony to try to get the rights to Spider-Man back. They settled on kind of a joint custody of the character -- which meant Spider-Man could return to the Marvel fold hence the double meaning title: Spider-Man: Homecoming.
What have all superhero comic book plot lines always had in common?
When the heroes are not fighting villains, they're fighting each other.
Ego, hubris, self-righteousness and super-competitiveness always instigate conflicts and fights.
I would encourage you to watch The Amazing Spiderman 1 and 2. When the first one came out, I felt like it wasn't worth revisiting the superhero, but they turned out to be very enriching to the character overall. They are worth watching especially if you want to hit the entire Marvel check list.
As I said before the story began in a Captain America comic, than morphed into a series called Civil War, and continued in every Avengers comic. Do some research
Civil War is much bigger than you think.
Can't wait for Infinity war and endgamee!❤
Don't think there was a podcast, but the trailer commercials egged on the competition by asking what team you were on. A convenience store called 7-11 had special drink cups for their Slurpee beverage with a team cap cup, or team iron man cup.
I know you have everyone in this one, but it still is technically a Captain America Movie.
Here is a helpful guide for the future to help you keep track!
(I have be incredibly cautious in this so there won't be any spoilers - one or two things were things not said in this title... but will be discovered when next you see said characters and so I feel that's not a big deal)
Here we go...
Iron Man and War Machine are still allies.
Hawkeye is retired and under government watch and Ant-Man is back home under government watch.
Hulk is still missing.
Thor is out trying to find out what his visions from Age of Ultron meant.
Wanda and Black Widow (and Sharon Carter) are on the run because they helped Cap.
Cap is also on the run.
Bucky is being deprogrammed by the people in Wakanda where Black Panther is now king.
Vision's location is also unknown as of this time.
I hope that was useful! Loving these reactions! As you can tell... I am a massive MCU nerd!
Spider-Man would've been in the MCU much earlier than this, but they had to work out a rights deal with Sony.
Can't wait for the next one 😍 Doctor Strange is a good one. aaaww I wish you guys would upload MCU reactions twice a week.
This was the debut of Tom's Spider-Man
They waited so long to add Spider-Man because his film rights belonged to another company, Sony. They finally came to an agreement to allow Spider-Man to appear in the MCU.
Great reaction. For me, this movie was the point where the MCU just took off like crazy. Every movie after this just kept getting better and better.
In this one, you see how both Tony Stark and Steve Rodgers change. In the past, Tony was brash and took all kinds of crazy chances. Steve on the other hand, was a consummate soldier, always following orders. In this movie we see how they have both gone to the other end of the spectrum. In fact with Tony, you see it at the beginning of the movie - he's talking to some college students and he's reading off a teleprompter. He would have never done that before. Steve, in contrast, now becomes a "criminal."
Great movie. Definitely one of favorite MCU movies.
Spider-Man's film rights belong to Sony Pictures, so it took quite a bit of wrangling before Marvel could include him in the MCU
im really glad you guys liked this movie as much as us marvel fans did. from day 1, i was with tony's side although cap' s side was also sound. but man did this movie really hit. still to this day would be on tony's side. and really understandable. but also shows how cap is so mature that he understands tony's pain and still offers help before the movie ends.
I agree. Im more on tony's side but im really on neither if im being honest. I agree that they shouldn't be controlled but i also agree that they shouldn't have the freedom to hurt innocent people and face no consequences. The incredibles all over again LOL!!. I feel like people with no bias will choose neither but cap has a bigger following respectfully and on paper caps side sounds better esp since we are watching a superhero movie lmfaooo!!
@@tyreek.6815 also, cap did not say the truth earlier to tony. maybe if tony knew way before the appearance of bucky, he would've taken it better.
Definitely watch Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man , he’s my favourite , completely over hated