The reason chadwick looks a little smaller in black panther was because he was going through cancer treatment at the same time he was filming. He really was a legend.
Every time he is in the suit, it isn't him but his stuntman, Gui Dasilva. In both movies. If he looks smaller in Black Panther it's because of camera lenses and different CGI companies.
@@Arrynek01 its not the person in it, but the civil war suit itself is more bulky. It is designed to make the character look bigger through paddings, etc
Could you imagine, that if your parents were murdered and your so called friend was protecting the SOB that killed them, and he or she knew about it? I thought Captain America was so fucked up in this movie.
@@saisrivarshamalladi6138 I thought it was "hatred." That hatred would not consume him and that justice will come? Or maybe you are right. I'm going to have to re watch the movie.
@@dljprogun yeah I recently re watched it and basically everyone wanted revenge in this mv, the villain, Iron man, black panther. So I liked that conclusion in the end.
RIGHTT and i dont know about you, but i think Falcon or whatever his name is, is so annoying. Like bro js flys around and keeps popping off at uis mouth toba literal king.@steezbekillin
I'm team everyone. It's why this movie is just the best. Everyone has a relatable reason to take the side that they do. And I'm team comic relief. Because Antman and Spiderman are the best!
My boy Bucky just minding his own business buying some plums staying under the radar and apparently hitting the gym because this man is wiiiide this movie and then Zemo be like WHAT IF I FRAME YOU THOUGH
I see this and I just remembered how the internet broke when trailer came out and we saw Spiderman at de end .... finally connecting him to the MCU.... what an exciting time that was 🤧👏👏👏👌
“I knew I couldn’t kill them, more powerful men than me have tried. But if I could get them to kill each other” That scene from zemo was so fucking good, Daniel bruhls incredible
The thing about this movie is that you can see both sides of the argument. Neither is fully wrong and neither is fully right. As for the whole Bucky and Tony thing, I am not a violent person but I don't see myself reacting differently than he did. If he had been told in advance, given some time to process and given Bucky's backstory, I don't think TS would have lost it, which is why I blame Cap for this. Dude was sitting on this secret for literal years. I love Cap but this will always be my one beef with him. That line always hits me where I live "I don't care. He killed my mom." God that still hurts. Smh
@@meghnagoel6766 Those files were probably encrypted in the first place, not too mention buried in the middle of 70+ years of data. Unless you knew exactly what you were looking for and where/how to find it, it could take you years of research to get through it all. Why would Tony have bothered with all that work without a reason?
Sitting on that? Steve was still looking for Bucky while destroying Hydra while saving the world against terrorist. Tony couldn't even keep his relationship. But yeah, let's pretend Tony would've reacted different from the moment he knew and not go look and kill Bucky. I'm sure Steve would've told him after capturing Bucky.
@@OsSas3 There is never a right time to tell someone you have a friend that killed your parents lol. But, if he told him earlier he most likely would still be mad and rage and lose it with Cap but he definitely would have calmed down soon after. None of us defending Tony are saying he would ever just accept it and not want to kill anyone but telling someone ahead of time is just the better option. If you had a friend who came to you and told you they know the person who killed your parents a year before you meet the killer, wouldn't you still get mad at the friend for not telling you? But by the time you meet the killer you'll just hate seeing them, feel uncomfortable and etc?
I don't understand why people forget or overlook that Cap didnt know that Bucky killed Tony's parents, yes he maybe knew they were killed but NOT by Bucky, because Cap didnt know Bucky was alive at that time, come on he also said it.
They both definitely had valid points, but I was Team Iron Man the whole time. And I sobbed when Bucky and Cap ganged up on Tony. It was a shit situation all around, unfortunately. It sets the stage for where everyone is in Infinity War so perfectly, though. So, painful, but slightly necessary.
Couldn't pick a team. The way I saw it was that choosing sides was the whole problem. When you draw lines in the sand the only one you back into a corner is yourself. The Avengers needed work more closely with the international community or they were going to end up at war with the very world they were fighting to protect. But it had to be on the Avengers terms or they'd end up just like S.H.I.E.L.D, undermined and misused by people with ulterior motives and hidden agendas who dodge accountability professionally under the protection of secrets and bureaucracy. I had a little bit of a bias in favor of Captain America too because Secretary Ross is a douche bag, personally and professionally, and I thought it was a bit rich for Wakanda, of all places, to call the Avengers out for their so-called "lack of concern for innocent lives" when King T'Chaka's throne sits on a mountain of vibranium protected by the most advanced defenses & weapons on earth and he lies to everyone's face about it because he doesn't ever want anyone doing to Wakanda what he did to the Avengers. I don't have to imagine how the king or T'Challa would've reacted if 117 nations drafted the Wakanda Accords and said vibranium was too valuable to the defense of earth for any one nation to control so from now on a UN Security Council would decide how to use it. I know exactly how they'd react; screw negotiation, screw reason, you MAY have a point, but Wakanda Forever so, we're going to war. They'd shoot it down hard just like Steve did and for the very same reason: the power is too dangerous to give to people they don't trust. Doesn't change the fact that Tony was right, too. If they didn't do it now it would be done TO them later. I just think the Avengers should've drafted their own accords, like a counterproposal, one that openly (and publicly) addressed their concerns. It didn't have to be either/or, the Avengers had clout too and could've forced a compromise between surrendering total autonomy or going rogue, they just didn't breathe long enough to find it.
In my mind Tony got what he deserved after encouraging Vision to blast Sam put of the sky knowing full well that it would have killed Sam. There was zero need for that at all.
@@sike2399 I think the issue I had was the fact that Ross tried to justify the Accords by blaming the Avengers for all the destruction. It wasn't their fault though. They didn't destroy New York, the Chitauri did; and if they hadn't been there, the nuke would've wiped out the entire city and the Chitauri would've won. Similarly in the case of Washington, if Cap didn't bring down the helicarriers then millions of people would've been assassinated by HYDRA instantly, and probably millions more in the future. And in Sokovia, if the Avengers weren't there, the entire planet would've been wiped out from the city/meteor. Just like Cap says, they try to save everyone they can, but sometimes that doesn't mean everybody. Realistically they can't save every single person, there will be casualties. But it is nothing compared to what there would have been if the Avengers had done nothing.
One of my favorite MCU movies. Tony and Cap completely switch from where they started. Cap started as the soldier who just took orders. Tony was independent and didn't want to be told what to do. They grew and changed sides.
Literally the first time we see Steve in the MCU he's breaking the law and lying to the US government in order to do what he believes is the right thing. It's who Steve has always been
@@Black71Eagle Not really. Although they were born around the same time Bucky was released from his paralysis decades before Cap came out of the ice, to assasinate the Stark Family. I’d say Bucky easily older than cap.
@@dingleberryman1498 that’s not how that works they have both been alive for the same amount of time awake doesn’t matter just purely the fact that they were both 18 in world war 2 and it’s assumed they met in school so it doesn’t matter that he was awake more/longer
Tony's reaction to finding out Bucky killed his parents was completely normal under the circumstances, I don't get people that say he should've been rational bc he knew it was Hydra controlling Bucky. He was already under so much stress from the accords, it was affecting his health and draining him emotionally AND then he finds out his parents were killed and his teammate knew all this time? That was his breaking point for sure. No one would think rationally at that point bc you put your raw, emotional side first. He needed time to process it and heal. He found out the worst way and lashed out and it was completely justified.
exactly. he was already stressed out and had anxiety after 2012 and ultron, he felt guilt for the lost lives, and he was scared about the team falling apart. at the end, he still pulled himself together and tried to help his friend steve only to watch how his parents died... thats his breaking point. it was so sad to see bucky and steve gang up on him but they all have valid points i guess 😕
i feel like what really pushed him over is when he asked something along the lines of “do you remember them” then bucky said “i remember all of them” which seemed to be like the last straw
Chadwick looks bigger in Civil War vs Black Panther, because he had stage 4 cancer when shooting Black Panther.. Billy.. why did you say that.. too soon.. :'ccc
I literally said that when he asked that. As if he could hear me through the computer screen I said, "because of his cancer". R.I.P Chadwick, Wakanda Forever
His first suit was padded for protection. His second suit can absorb all the hits (kinectic energy) and deflect it back. Hence why he looks slimmer in his second suit.
I definitely saw everyone’s sides - I love that they showed Steve being 100% there for Bucky, I love that they showed Tony being emotional about his parents death, and I love the fact that T’Challa showed that he won’t let the grief consume him and helped Bucky. I think it really shows an all around picture and it allows people to see themselves through each of the characters reactions. It is a rough movie though so I don’t watch it often just cause its not the kind of movie to just randomly watch! Also please finish phase 3!!
If the avengers had done nothing, more people would have died. The planet would have been taken over by Loki, or New York would have been blown up by the nuclear bomb. #bingers Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter's Dead
I agree. If not for their actions in Avengers, much more harm would have occured. If not for their independence, the politicians would have destroyed New York. I am reminded that some of the most corrupt, tyrannical, and vicious regimes in the world are influential in the U.N.
People only see the bad. Thry did not even focus in the villains whi caused the damage. They should have called the avengers in and say immediately, this was a complicated situation and figure out ways to prevent it. They put you in a corner and it made everyone take the best approach they could. The safest outcome at that point in time is Wanda shooting the fire in the building before more people in the town got hurt. I like how Tony got confronted about the consequences of what he did and he tried to redeem it. I also like how she did not hate him, but just wanted him to acknowledge that these were lives that got affected. She could see he did not mean for this to happen, in my opinion anyways.
Thor is an Avenger. If the Avengers had done nothing Loki would be ruling Asgard and never would have came to Earth at the time he did in the current continuity.
@@unou588 strange has a stone, thanos would've come eventually. Also there's so many villans that exist even without the avengers, you're making a moot point. The avengers bring more good than harm, the public understandable doesn't know that.
@@misterbobby8913 Yeah but that doesn't matter in the *moment.* Tony having a conversation about it after and coming to terms with Bucky being brainwashed while killing his parents is possible. But in that moment Tony watched both of his parents get killed while the murderer stood *right next to him.* It's a fight on sight immediately regardless of if Bucky was brainwashed or not. Any sane person that truly loved their parents would react the same way.
@@misterbobby8913 True, logic over emotion is a sign of maturity. But that's easy for us to say because we didn't just watch our parents be killed while the killer is chilling right beside us. It's illogical to assume that after such a scene Tony would turn to Bucky with understanding instead of grief and rage. If he had been told earlier by Cap and had time to process it, then maybe he could've come to terms with it. But twelve seconds after watching what the Winter Soldier did to his parents? Definitely not. Tony's reaction is valid regardless of the fact that Bucky was brainwashed 🤷🏽♀️
@@misterbobby8913 Enjoyment has nothing to do w/ it. Idk how you feel abt your parents but I just watched someone punch my father in the face till he died and literally choked the life out of my mother Yea, I’ll go with vengeance And?
What I love about this movie: Sympathizing with Iron Man on the principle of attacking his parents' killer, is siding with Zemo. Applauding Black Panther for his restraint is applauding what Captain America always believed in. Victims are easily blinded by hate. In this movie, Captain America knew this and T'Challa learned this. That's why it's a Captain America movie.
The arc reactor was removed from Tony’s chest years ago at this point (in IM3). So, no. Bucky isn’t trying to rip Tony’s heart out, he’s trying to forcibly shut the suit down because Tony refuses to stop attacking...something Cap avoids doing until Tony threatens to kill him and he has no other choice.
@@BeS1228 I agree that time most likely would be necessary for many people. I, personally, don't know what my reaction would be. I generally don't get angry at anything and when I do get angry it's mild, so I really don't know what my response would be. But I am a person who can quickly understand another's perspective and empathize so I find it very hard to believe I personally would lash out at Bucky.
@@cassieberringer7427 to me it always came across more that Tony was mad at Steve because Steve *knew* Bucky killed his parents and not only kept that from him, but used his money to find the person who murdered his parents.
@@cassieberringer7427 man i am not like you. if i were tony, watching bucky suffocate my mom like that would, i don’t care if he was being controlled, his last breaths would have taken place in that room. but also the fact that steve knew would’ve broken my heart past the point of being able to think anything through. i’d want them both dead simply for the way bucky killed my mom.
@@juliannamontanna again I’m not trying to prove he’s a good guy, just I don’t blame him and he is a multi-dimensional villain Don’t piss on my yum, I enjoy his character that’s all
@@Serenity113 Diplomatic immunity only applies if the hosting country offers it. Since T'Chala was arrested the first time, we know he didn't have it then. Eve if he was granted immunity later, it doesn't mean he wasn't violating the Accords.
That Tony/Steve confrontation is even more layered when you realize Steve never told Tony anything because he was struggling with his own denial and couldn’t face the truth about his surrogate brother; *_And what he says before that, I think is true… that, ‘I didn’t know it was him’_* - Stephen Mcfeely. *_He does have a willful blindspot about Bucky… I don’t want to look at the fact that he probably did this_* - Christopher Markus *_Yeah, it’s true_* - Anthony Russo *_Well, as everyone does about family. There are emotional bonds that you have that supersede logic_* - Joe Russo It literally took seeing the footage of the murders, and subsequently being pressed by Tony, to snap Steve out of it and force him to finally be honest with himself and what he felt in his heart.
I went to see this movie in the theatre, wearing a Captain America t-shirt and a matching necklace. Also, when Black Panther movie came out, the cinema was packed out. #RIP Chadwick Boseman #Wakanda forever This movie that made me fall in love with Tom Holland when he became Spiderman. You should react to Black Panther #bingers
Billy: Couldn't choose a side Me: Chose team Iron Man within 5 seconds and understood Cap's perspective 5 years later😅 But I guess I'm team Thor/Revengers now aka team "I'm not getting involved"
Tony was always right. The Avengers needed to exist, and so did a peacekeeping program like Ultron (that worked properly obv), and it was worth giving up some independence to the governments of the world to appease the public to make sure both happened.
@@kamtheman106 until you take a closer look and realize that damn near every government on the planet is corrupt. Remember, as a member of SHIELD, Cap witnessed firsthand how corrupt a government agency can be and Hydra was in control of SHIELD for Lord knows how long. The Sokovia Accords was literally just SHIELD/Hydra 2.0 waiting to happen. Cap was right to not sign the accords.
As Iron Man said: "I don't care, he killed my mom" Logic flies out of the window and there's only the need for revenge, but i want to believe i would react just like Black Panther and don't let revenge get the best of me.
Billy I have to say, when you called it immediately after seeing Tony’s memory in BARF (sigh), I said ‘Oh my god!’ out loud. I haven’t seen anybody put the pieces together that early before.
Team Cap on the accords. But I do feel Steve should’ve been straight with Tony about his parents. At the same time Hydra killed Tony’s parents, Bucky was forced to be the weapon.
Combat situations are different. Cap faced enemy soldiers who probably sounded just like Spiderman in WW2. How the law treats Wanda and a combat situation aren't in any way comparable.
@@cierasneonrainbow I don't remember the username, but the commentary was: "How do you take down captain America?" "You shoot him in the legs because his shield's the sign of a dinner plate and he's an idiot." XD
I keep thinking this is an Avengers movie because they’re all in the same place at the same time also probably the reason they shot Hulk into space, guy would be unfair
Tony would never had a chance, Vision would have to seriously try to kill him to even have a chance. Like density shift into his body and than get dense again or some sh*t like that.
I have been and always will be Team Cap, even while enjoying "The Falcon and the Winter Soldier" for basically being a post Civil War breakdown of all of Captain America's biggest mistakes. I deeply enjoy my favorite character having mistakes and having repercussions in the world. Love me some Cap. My best friend is Team Cap as well and spent years calling Tony the super villain of the MCU. Eventually, he had to concede that Tony at the present is the best version of himself, but any Tony Stark variant in any direction could easily be the Iron Maniac.
He was talking about in terms of order. So far, up to now...this stand alone movie went the hardest. Avengers movies usually tend to be of a different category because they're ensemble pieces.
This was the intro for this Spider Man and Peter’s supposed to be fourteen and he’s only actually been Spider-Man for six months, so this is his first time in a big battle.
#bingers Avatar (James Cameron’s one) Live die repeat Spirit stallion of the cimarron Teenage mutant ninja turtles Homeward bound Denice the menice Ice age How to train ur dragon Transformers Pacific rim The perfect storm Battleship Aliens in the attic Free Willy Real steal
Actually. Wanda was around 27 (2016 - 1989 = 27) (1989 is her birth year) at the time of this movie. Around the same age Steve was when he went into the ice (1945 - 1918 = 27) But Since Steve is older than basically everything there. He might call anyone like Wanda a "kid"
There are two teams: Team Captain or Team Wrong. The movie is self explanatory why the Accords don't work: politics at its finest. I don't mind Tony being mad at Bucky for killing his parent but at the end of the day, he's wrong. Let's blame Hawkeye for all the damage he did while being controlled by Loki in the first Avenger.
Clint didn’t kill anyone there’s a difference on being a murderer and knowing you’re a murderer and a difference on being kind controlled to ruin the avengers for like an hour 😭
Not to mention it’s not just the fact he killed people it’s also the fact that they both lied to his face and we’re gonna continue until he saw it himself
23:22 When there's this much emotion involved, logic doesn't matter. If I see the person to my right murder my father then proceeds to choke my mother to death...I don't care about his backstory or how he's changed...I'm coming for his life.
Which team was I on? This is why Civil War was so great, everybody has plausible cause and proper reasoning for their irrational behaviour. My heart ached for Tony though, and in all honesty: rationality would have definitely taken a backseat if I had been in the same room as my parents' killer.
Peter Parker (Spiderman) was 14yrs old in ;Civil War'. In 'Homecoming', he was 15, and by the time 'Infinity War' came around he was 16. In 'Endgame', he was still 16 because nobody aged in the soul world. He's also still 16 in 'Far From Home' cause that only takes place six months after 'Endgame'. It also takes place during the summer, and Peter's birthday isn't until August. Which means, in 'No Way Home', He'll be 17yrs old. =) #bingers Gifted
My thing is that it’s not like the Avengers could just ask the villains “Can we go fight in an open field so we can avoid any civilian casualties?” . None of those things was their fault and the government just loves control. Like if it wasn’t for them everyone would be dead. I could see Tony’s POV but I was honestly on Steve’s side.
@@iloveshrek7771 not his heart, the suits power source to render the suit useless. And if you're gonna mention thats the only thing keeping Tony alive, it's not, he had the bomb shards removed in Iron man 3 so he would have been fine
I'm forever conflicted with this film. I love Tony and Cap very much! I understand both sides which is what makes it a great movie. I always agreed a little more with Cap about the idea of the accords themselves but understood where Tony came from of course. I've also gained even more love for Falcon and recently sort of fallen in love with Bucky so now I am overprotective of him like CAP IS RIGHT TO PROTECT HIM HE DIDN'T DO THE THINGS ON PURPOSE JUST HUG HIM PLEASE. BUT! Like he says he did do them.......but it wouldn't have freakin' killed Cap to be transparent with Tony about the situation. Yeah Tony was gonna be mad about his parents but i think maybe tell him before y'all are in a room together and he has to watch the video. Unless he thought Tony would just go absolutely mental and hunt Bucky down and kill him. He was right to protect Bucky when he was framed though and i don't blame him for protecting his best friend. In the end Tony was just as willing to make it personal like Cap was even though he had the less personal motives going into the accords. But they both don't want to have to deal with either accidentally hurting or just not saving people even though they could. I just wish PEOPLE WOULD HAVE CONVERSATIONS! 😂😂 IT'S COMPLICATED THAT'S WHY IT'S GOOD. Also i love Spiderman in this brilliant intro to Tom Holland at the time.
Cap was wrong for not telling Tony. That's wrong ! This movie was so epic to watch in cinema 🙌🏾 More MCU plz including the series that you watched without context. #bingers just go with it Love and basketball Two can play that game Deliver us from Eva
"Hey Tony, could you help me find the guy who I haven't found and who also killed your parents?" Yeah, seems legit. There was no place or time to tell him about his parents, Steve was searching for Bucky.
@@OsSas3 he knew for like 2 years. There was never gonna be a time and place to tell him, but he had more than enough time to tell him. And he should have realized how urgent it was when he started searching for him more
@@winxclubfairiesrule1 You know when was the right time? After he had captured Bucky. He was searching for Bucky in those two years or fighting Hydra, you're acting like Steve was on vacation. Like I said, Steve explaining to Tony how his parents die and asking for his help after, that wasn't a possible scenario.
@@OsSas3 it definitely was because Tony would have had time to calm down and think rationally. It don't make no sense that Tony would just be ok with the person who murdered his parents. He'd wanna get back at him no matter what, but if he had Been told ahead of time, he could have been angry and then once he calmed down had a talk with Steve and then helped him find Bucky. At the end of the day, Tony isn't an irrational person. He would have helped. Steve should have been the person to tell him and not anybody else. Steve was both of their friends and he did them both a disservice by not revealing the truth and then acting like the victim. At the end of it all, Tony was the person who got hurt.
@@winxclubfairiesrule1 Did we watched a scene where Tony apologized for his mistakes? Even to Wanda for killing his parents? Creating Ultron? Something like that? I don't get how is Steve fult for not letting Tony know, like as I said, Bucky was not even there. The situation would've been different if Bucky was captured and Steve kept the secret to protect Bucky from Tony's revenge but that didn't happened, Steve had many things in mind and I stand claiming it wasn't the time, Steve doesn't know how would Tony really react, you claim he wuld've cool off, I say He would've gone to kill Bucky either way. So there's that, Tony IS impulsive.
When it came to The Sokovia Accords, I was team Cap.If I have super powers I wont be controlled by the government, simple as that. But during the end I was with Tony because he deserved to know the truth and Steve should've told him before because he knew the truth after winter soldier and during Age of Ultron.
Some theorize, that that was the reason he couldn’t lift the hammer. Because he was keeping a secret, although he knew deep down, that it would be the right thing to tell him.
You mean like how Tony told everyone else what he was doing in AoU? How would Tony knowing have helped him? Tony had been shown to be so impulsive how many would he have hurt to find Bucky and exact a revenge that Bucky wasn't responsible for. Blaming Bucky for Tony's parents' deaths is blaming the gun and not the shooter.
I agree Steve should have said something, but Steve was also in complete denial about Bucky being responsible. Steve never brought it up because Steve couldn’t face the truth. It wasn’t about Tony. The writers and directors have went into great detail about this before. It’s even touched on in his letter at the end of the film. As for the lifting Mjolnir theory, that’s been debunked countless times. Never mind it making absolutely zero sense when you realize Thor suffered the same denial with Loki and Odin was the king of keeping secrets.
@@michaelplowman8674 sorry why should tony tell the team what he's doing in his private lab with his private research? The team apart from banner aren't scientists it's none of their businesses what Tony does in his building.
@@dd-ye2zq Because they are supposed to be a team. Because it affected all of them. Tony even hints that he knows what he's doing is wrong but hopes the results are so good that the forgiveness he'd ask for making Ultron would be outweighed by the good Ultron would serve. Tony created a death machine. He should have been held responsible.
You’re so right! No one was catching fades like Black Widow until Black Panther and Shang-Chi came in. And I personally appreciate your love of Black Widow. The world needs more of it. Also, yes, I was Team Black aka Black Widow and Black Panther. Black Widow was only doing what she thought would keep them all together, which no one else cared about. And Black Panther was only there to avenge his daddy.
I hate I missed this premiere because people showed up late to my house 😭😭😭 now I finally can watch it but tragic I didn't get to see live. Great commentary! We all need someone to stan us like Billy stans Scarlet/Widow!
After Endgame, I think this one is my favorite from the MCU. The action is amazing, and really Captain America holding the HELICPOTER with his arms. Damn. It's also great character development and sets everything up nicely for them being scattered in Infinity War.
WHOOOO! Yas :D Billy, let's go! Watching the premiere is a good way to destress as I sit here typing my thesis at 2 in the morning South Africa time, lmao.
I will forever side with Tony in this. Cap picked Buckey over his friendship with Tony, going so far as to hide who killed Tony's parents. It's that in itself is wrong
You mean, Steve chose his only real connection with his past life, his bff over a guy who barely knows... Oh, what a monster. Also, the Accords are wrong, they don't improve anything, just legalize the action, don't have real consequences. And the best part, Tony is just feeling remmorse for all the shit he did, he thinks everyone is like him and need to be put in check when in reality, only Wanda and him are responsable for all the destruction.
@@OsSas3 again Cap chose guilt over an actual friendship with Tony. You can stand up for an old friend without ruining your current friendships. Cap's decision made all of his friends criminals and nearly got Wanda either deported or put in jail. Cap didn't care, he only cared about him and Buckey
@@bobbihearn6168 Captain didn't care? He didn't sign the Accords not for Bucky, it was for Wanda! Tony never understood and treated Wandas as a weapon, having her in lockdown, not teaching her and trying to proper develop her powers; if you encourage fear and remorse to a person, when she's free, what will she do? Steve had the right mind. Captain actions made his friends criminals due to the goverment, not because he said: Let's do bad things, he tried to stop 5 Winter Soldiers, oh damn, what a horrible character. After trying to dialogue with Tony.
tony was wrong in the beginning so i was team cap but steve was wrong for keeping that secret from tony which made me team tony. i can’t blame tony for wanting to kill bucky. steve keeping that from his friend was just a different level of betrayal.
This man really be roasting every on screen kiss in these movies. You better have the most immaculate kissing skills on planet earth, else you'll never live it down.
I can't...why did Billy spend like 10 full seconds firing shots at Hobbs and Shaw XD We all know Fast and Furious falls under the MCU at this point too
If Hulk was there, he’d be on Cap’s side because no way he would ever want to the Government to be in control of the Hulk. Same with Thor. They both would have been with Cap and the 2 of them would have clapped team Iron Man.
@@RobGamesOn He did helped Tony create Ultron, his hatred for Ross is not justified just to join Cap side Not to mention there’s a video of Tony calling Banner when he’s with Thor
Bucky was being controlled to killed Tony’s parents, just like how Hawkeye/Clint killed many people in Avengers when Loki had him mind controlled. If details didn’t matter then Wanda and her bro hatred of Tony would be the same as Tony’s for Bucky since a missile from Tony’s company killed their parents. They weren’t left a fortune but were frozen in fear for a long time, too afraid to move in case the missile explodes.
#bingers Billy have you seen the movie Wanted (2008) with Angelina Jolie and James McAvoy? It’s loosely based on a comic book about a guy who finds out his father is part of a secret society of assassins and he shares the same powers but doesn’t know it yet. It’s comedy and action!
True but I think by friends they just mean they were more than just acquaintances, they would depend on each other and help each other and fight together. They definitely aren't close friends or best friends, but just friends.
I think we're supposed to assume they became friends during the time between Avengers and Avengers: Age of Ultron were things started to go down hill. The writers/directors didn't show it well however. Most of their friendship happened out of screen. It's very frustrating when compared to their strong friendship in the comics and the cartoons. The movie would have much more impact if they did.
even though this is technically a cap movie i've always considered it the third avengers, because THEY'RE ALL IN IT SO DANG MUCH. also i very clearly remember legit GASPING with shock when steve admitted to tony that he had known bucky did it. gasped so loud in the theater. it STUNG.
I really don't like how Tony treated Wanda in this movie. He forgets that for superheroes like himself and Falcon, all they have to do is remove their suit and they can walk around like normal citizens. Wanda and other enhanced or mutant individuals, not only have to learn how to control their powers, but also has to deal with the persecution and fear by humans. We see this more evidently when Mutants are introduced and all the attacks and registrations that followed. Instead of sympathizing with Wanda, he decided to lock her away and even called her a weapon of mass destruction. Tony everyday decides to put on his suit. Wanda did not decide to have powers.
@@JaySewani There is a difference between suggesting that someone stay home and trying to take their choice away from them, literally giving instructions to Vision to bar her movement. Regardless of whether she should have stayed inside, his approach was too controlling. Furthermore, the language he continuously used in this film suggested that she was dangerous and needed to be reeled in by him.
@@ashante190 i think He did the right thing If she went outside in MCU world People would have made her seems like she is terrorist and it could have been lot worse for her because she is foreigner 🤷 she could have been Transported to her country again and end up in prison You really think Tony didn't thought that That's why he did what he did for her
I was team cap all the way, and pro-bucky all the way (in the fight against iron man). Even if i watched him kill my parents i would still want answers - some kind of explanation instead of being stuck with the unknown - so at the very LEAST i'd hear him/steve out. Dude was tortured and brainwashed for 70 years. To hold hydra's decisions and actions against him, instead of them, is not only allowing hydra to get away with that they've done but it's also blaming a victim for things that were out of his control. Don't get me wrong: Tony's anger was understandable! But that doesn't make attempted murder /excusable/. Especially when he was fully aware of Bucky not having been in control (his manchurian candidate comment earlier) Plus he was willing to kill Steve just because what?? He tried to protect Bucky?? They disagreed on the Accords?? Tony isn't even remotely a character i like anymore (based purely on the mcu, not comics) but Civil War really made him unbearable (for me anyway) Now that could be down to simply shitty writing, the later mcu movies are really good at not being the best in that way, but either way his actions throughout this were Big Yikes (again: in my personal opinion. i can see how people would feel differently, im just.. not one of them lol)
and u just gon be okay ur friend knew how ur parents died and not telling u all this time? lmaoo cap is jus like naruto HE KEEPS CHASING HIS FRIEND OVER AND OVEF AGAIN WHAT A PSSY
@@kategutib2772 think whatever you want, dude, i don't care. i'll answer your question & "points" but i know i'm not gonna change your mind (and you're not gonna change mine) so im not wasting my time beyond this steve didn't know for certain, he only had a guess but tony refused to accept that. and even if he had known a. he was doing what he thought was right b. still not a good reason to attempt murder c. it doesn't matter if you tell someone to stand down, aiming blasters at their face with the full intent on using them would have been murder had tony not been stopped. he admitted that he intended to kill bucky and he was perfectly okay with steve dying too... because he was mad. he blew off a whole arm! thats excusable?? no. steve and bucky might be supersoldiers but only 1 person in that fight had a flying metal suit full of weapons and explosives and it wasn't them. his parents being killed 20+ years ago by a brainwashed prisoner of war doesn't make any of what he did okay. his emotions being understandable doesn't make his actions excusable
@@mieczyhale although I understand your point (and I adore Bucky btw no hate on him), you seem to forget that Steve and Bucky are super soldiers. They’re not regular humans compared to Tony that is literally just “a man in a can.” Tony’s words in IM3 to Pepper; to quote him, “You experience things and then they're over, and you still can't explain them? Gods, aliens, other dimensions? I'm just a man in a can.” Remove the suit and you will find a helpless dude, which, you can clearly see when Steve and Bucky tried to disable Tony’s armor (hitting his arc reactor instead of him). Before I was Team Iron Man then Team Cap. Now, I’m Team No One because both sides are wrong. Both lack communication. If they have talked it out and lowered their pride, they might be able to come up with a solution to the Accords situation- like they always do- to any problems they encountered as a team. Poor Bucky is just the center and collateral damage of these two dudes’ “dick measuring” contest - this is why I don’t like Steve and Tony in this movie 😂
This movie was amazing because everyone's got solid reasons. Even Zemo the villain. You can't root for anyone. Tho I'm Team Ironman still. Cap was still responsible for keeping it a secret from him. He admitted himself in that note he left for Tony along with the flip phone. He wasn't sparing Tony by keeping the secret, he was sparing himself. Plus while Cap cares about fighting for his right to choose, Tony acknowledged his powers brought danger to those he meant to protect, which both are really closely related to their backstory. Cap rebelling against his superior to save the soldiers in WW2, and Tony privatized his weaponry upon realizing it was used against the innocents.
Being an uber-Cap fan, I was always on his side. During this movie, I was just waiting for him to look at Ross and say, "You're right. Many of the places we've gone, there's been unthinkable losses. Now let yourself think about what would have happened if we weren't there. New York happens even if none of us ever meet. Wanda doesn't try to contain that explosion in Nigeria, then the dozens of citizens in that bazaar die, along with probably myself. We're not perfect. This Accord is worse."
If you go back and watch any of Robert Downey Jr's movies from the late 80's/early 90's, that VR version of him looks exactly like him from back then. I know it's creepy and weird if you're used to seeing him this age, but seriously, they made him look exactly right.
The reason chadwick looks a little smaller in black panther was because he was going through cancer treatment at the same time he was filming. He really was a legend.
Every time he is in the suit, it isn't him but his stuntman, Gui Dasilva. In both movies.
If he looks smaller in Black Panther it's because of camera lenses and different CGI companies.
@@Arrynek01 its not the person in it, but the civil war suit itself is more bulky. It is designed to make the character look bigger through paddings, etc
@Leonardo Santuario for dealing with cancer but still managing to make 4 amazing movies
@Leonardo Santuario he was so sick and became really skinny and people would make fun of him but he kept his cancer a secret
He was in remission when he made this film. As no one knew he was ill.
The most heartbreaking moments of all time:
"He's my friend"
"So was I"
It's just soo sad😞
Exactly!!!!!!
Could you imagine, that if your parents were murdered and your so called friend was protecting the SOB that killed them, and he or she knew about it?
I thought Captain America was so fucked up in this movie.
@@dljprogun I loved what black panther says at the end that he won't let revenge consume him
@@saisrivarshamalladi6138 I thought it was "hatred." That hatred would not consume him and that justice will come? Or maybe you are right.
I'm going to have to re watch the movie.
@@dljprogun yeah I recently re watched it and basically everyone wanted revenge in this mv, the villain, Iron man, black panther. So I liked that conclusion in the end.
Can we talk about how respectful and polite everyone is to T'Challa and then there's Sam in the backseat like "you like cats, bro?" Absolute king.
@@alphahale7668 that’s why he didn’t have his own movie until Captain America gave em his shield
RIGHTT and i dont know about you, but i think Falcon or whatever his name is, is so annoying. Like bro js flys around and keeps popping off at uis mouth toba literal king.@steezbekillin
Steve is 100 years old to him everyone is a kid, except Bucky...oh and Thor.
@Leonardo Santuario where is the correlation
@Leonardo Santuario Kid, you don't know how wrong you are.😉
Thors like 1500years to him all of them are babies 🤷🏾♀️😂
hes not though. your age is how many yrs youve lived. He spent 66 yrs frozen so he technically is 34. He just was alive 100 yrs ago.
@@chiderahugwu7670 that doesn’t make sense cause he was still alive while in the ice. He didn’t die
I'm team everyone. It's why this movie is just the best. Everyone has a relatable reason to take the side that they do. And I'm team comic relief. Because Antman and Spiderman are the best!
Team Thor
There's an Ant-man AND a Spider-man?!?
@@itsturniptime3699 team Revengers because both team iron man and team cap were wrong
cant say no to that team. sad that the comics can be pretty dark at times.
The only character in the comics team I'm on is captain America and black panther
My boy Bucky just minding his own business buying some plums staying under the radar and apparently hitting the gym because this man is wiiiide this movie and then Zemo be like WHAT IF I FRAME YOU THOUGH
Why is this comment funny?? 😂😂😂
Bucky just wanted his plums and Zemo had to ruin his whole life. Smh.
@@aprilrivas5071 so freakin rude
Lol true tho 😂
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I see this and I just remembered how the internet broke when trailer came out and we saw Spiderman at de end .... finally connecting him to the MCU.... what an exciting time that was 🤧👏👏👏👌
same
@TheFemBIZ that infinity war trailer though! My mind spazzed out
Actually connected...yet...
And he's Spider-Boi. Not Spider-Man Tobey Maguire.
HOMESTLY the best mcu trailer I died that day
“I knew I couldn’t kill them, more powerful men than me have tried. But if I could get them to kill each other”
That scene from zemo was so fucking good, Daniel bruhls incredible
His dance scene in Falcon and the Winter Soldier just kills me.
The thing about this movie is that you can see both sides of the argument. Neither is fully wrong and neither is fully right. As for the whole Bucky and Tony thing, I am not a violent person but I don't see myself reacting differently than he did. If he had been told in advance, given some time to process and given Bucky's backstory, I don't think TS would have lost it, which is why I blame Cap for this. Dude was sitting on this secret for literal years. I love Cap but this will always be my one beef with him. That line always hits me where I live "I don't care. He killed my mom." God that still hurts. Smh
Well, all of Hydra's secrets were leaked onto the internet, so wouldn't that include the Winter Soldier Program and stuff too...?
@@meghnagoel6766 Those files were probably encrypted in the first place, not too mention buried in the middle of 70+ years of data. Unless you knew exactly what you were looking for and where/how to find it, it could take you years of research to get through it all. Why would Tony have bothered with all that work without a reason?
Sitting on that? Steve was still looking for Bucky while destroying Hydra while saving the world against terrorist. Tony couldn't even keep his relationship. But yeah, let's pretend Tony would've reacted different from the moment he knew and not go look and kill Bucky. I'm sure Steve would've told him after capturing Bucky.
@@OsSas3 There is never a right time to tell someone you have a friend that killed your parents lol. But, if he told him earlier he most likely would still be mad and rage and lose it with Cap but he definitely would have calmed down soon after. None of us defending Tony are saying he would ever just accept it and not want to kill anyone but telling someone ahead of time is just the better option.
If you had a friend who came to you and told you they know the person who killed your parents a year before you meet the killer, wouldn't you still get mad at the friend for not telling you? But by the time you meet the killer you'll just hate seeing them, feel uncomfortable and etc?
I don't understand why people forget or overlook that Cap didnt know that Bucky killed Tony's parents, yes he maybe knew they were killed but NOT by Bucky, because Cap didnt know Bucky was alive at that time, come on he also said it.
Billy: *has seen every MCU movie up to Civil War*
Also Billy: "is this our introduction to Tom Holland as Spider-Man?"
Idk Billy you tell me😂🤦🏽♂️
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I’m officially blaming Billy for my terrible sleeping schedule cos I always got to catch the premieres. I honestly live for these commentaries.
Thank you amber ❤️ sorry about the sleep schedule
@@BillyBinges 11:25 with Dina!! I mean Scarlett Wit... I mean Wanda
“Hardest fight in the history of marvel”
The Endgame Battle: “am i a joke to you?”
"Move or you will be moved" one line, one character and I was like holy cow that was awesome
Bucky: I’m not the only winter soldier
Billy *has watched falcon and winter soldier* :😧
We heard what you meant when you praised Scarlett's combat skill.
“I would suck the thunder out of Thor” TOOK ME OUT LMAOOO we do be saying these things tho 💀😂
LMAO that part caught me off guard too when he said that because I've definitely said similar things
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When I was a kid the only characters I was happy to see was black panther and spiderman
@@myajenkins6470 what was your favorite moment of black panther aka t'challa #RIPCHADWICKBOSEMAN
@@myajenkins6470 uh i'm sorry i believe Micheal's my husband!
@@myajenkins6470 I can’t unsee him in this horrible bad F4 movie XD
@@myajenkins6470 lmao
@@myajenkins6470 Micheal B. Jordan played the Human Torch in the trash 2016 Fantastic 4 movie.
They both definitely had valid points, but I was Team Iron Man the whole time. And I sobbed when Bucky and Cap ganged up on Tony. It was a shit situation all around, unfortunately. It sets the stage for where everyone is in Infinity War so perfectly, though. So, painful, but slightly necessary.
Same I was team iron man too and it made me really pissed how they did him
Couldn't pick a team. The way I saw it was that choosing sides was the whole problem. When you draw lines in the sand the only one you back into a corner is yourself. The Avengers needed work more closely with the international community or they were going to end up at war with the very world they were fighting to protect. But it had to be on the Avengers terms or they'd end up just like S.H.I.E.L.D, undermined and misused by people with ulterior motives and hidden agendas who dodge accountability professionally under the protection of secrets and bureaucracy. I had a little bit of a bias in favor of Captain America too because Secretary Ross is a douche bag, personally and professionally, and I thought it was a bit rich for Wakanda, of all places, to call the Avengers out for their so-called "lack of concern for innocent lives" when King T'Chaka's throne sits on a mountain of vibranium protected by the most advanced defenses & weapons on earth and he lies to everyone's face about it because he doesn't ever want anyone doing to Wakanda what he did to the Avengers. I don't have to imagine how the king or T'Challa would've reacted if 117 nations drafted the Wakanda Accords and said vibranium was too valuable to the defense of earth for any one nation to control so from now on a UN Security Council would decide how to use it. I know exactly how they'd react; screw negotiation, screw reason, you MAY have a point, but Wakanda Forever so, we're going to war. They'd shoot it down hard just like Steve did and for the very same reason: the power is too dangerous to give to people they don't trust. Doesn't change the fact that Tony was right, too. If they didn't do it now it would be done TO them later. I just think the Avengers should've drafted their own accords, like a counterproposal, one that openly (and publicly) addressed their concerns. It didn't have to be either/or, the Avengers had clout too and could've forced a compromise between surrendering total autonomy or going rogue, they just didn't breathe long enough to find it.
In my mind Tony got what he deserved after encouraging Vision to blast Sam put of the sky knowing full well that it would have killed Sam. There was zero need for that at all.
@@princessofjedi That would've only made him glide, not kill him. He literally says 'turn him into a glider' mate
@@sike2399 I think the issue I had was the fact that Ross tried to justify the Accords by blaming the Avengers for all the destruction. It wasn't their fault though. They didn't destroy New York, the Chitauri did; and if they hadn't been there, the nuke would've wiped out the entire city and the Chitauri would've won. Similarly in the case of Washington, if Cap didn't bring down the helicarriers then millions of people would've been assassinated by HYDRA instantly, and probably millions more in the future. And in Sokovia, if the Avengers weren't there, the entire planet would've been wiped out from the city/meteor. Just like Cap says, they try to save everyone they can, but sometimes that doesn't mean everybody. Realistically they can't save every single person, there will be casualties. But it is nothing compared to what there would have been if the Avengers had done nothing.
One of my favorite MCU movies. Tony and Cap completely switch from where they started. Cap started as the soldier who just took orders. Tony was independent and didn't want to be told what to do. They grew and changed sides.
Literally the first time we see Steve in the MCU he's breaking the law and lying to the US government in order to do what he believes is the right thing. It's who Steve has always been
Cap sees everyone as a kid really since hes over 100 years old. wanda is like early 20s right here so kinda still a kid anyways
except bucky lol they are same age 😁🙌
@@Black71Eagle Not really. Although they were born around the same time Bucky was released from his paralysis decades before Cap came out of the ice, to assasinate the Stark Family. I’d say Bucky easily older than cap.
@@dingleberryman1498 yes I was just pointing out they were both old men compared to the rest of the teammates 👍👍
@@dingleberryman1498 that’s not how that works they have both been alive for the same amount of time awake doesn’t matter just purely the fact that they were both 18 in world war 2 and it’s assumed they met in school so it doesn’t matter that he was awake more/longer
@@Bigslimer14 I guess.
Tony's reaction to finding out Bucky killed his parents was completely normal under the circumstances, I don't get people that say he should've been rational bc he knew it was Hydra controlling Bucky. He was already under so much stress from the accords, it was affecting his health and draining him emotionally AND then he finds out his parents were killed and his teammate knew all this time? That was his breaking point for sure. No one would think rationally at that point bc you put your raw, emotional side first. He needed time to process it and heal. He found out the worst way and lashed out and it was completely justified.
exactly. he was already stressed out and had anxiety after 2012 and ultron, he felt guilt for the lost lives, and he was scared about the team falling apart. at the end, he still pulled himself together and tried to help his friend steve only to watch how his parents died... thats his breaking point. it was so sad to see bucky and steve gang up on him but they all have valid points i guess 😕
I totally agree.
i feel like what really pushed him over is when he asked something along the lines of “do you remember them” then bucky said “i remember all of them” which seemed to be like the last straw
Chadwick looks bigger in Civil War vs Black Panther, because he had stage 4 cancer when shooting Black Panther.. Billy.. why did you say that.. too soon.. :'ccc
I literally said that when he asked that. As if he could hear me through the computer screen I said, "because of his cancer". R.I.P Chadwick, Wakanda Forever
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His first suit was padded for protection. His second suit can absorb all the hits (kinectic energy) and deflect it back. Hence why he looks slimmer in his second suit.
@@AqwDragulum Yea, but that explains Blackpanther's slimness. I was only explainging Chadwick's
I definitely saw everyone’s sides - I love that they showed Steve being 100% there for Bucky, I love that they showed Tony being emotional about his parents death, and I love the fact that T’Challa showed that he won’t let the grief consume him and helped Bucky. I think it really shows an all around picture and it allows people to see themselves through each of the characters reactions. It is a rough movie though so I don’t watch it often just cause its not the kind of movie to just randomly watch!
Also please finish phase 3!!
If the avengers had done nothing, more people would have died. The planet would have been taken over by Loki, or New York would have been blown up by the nuclear bomb.
#bingers Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter's Dead
I agree. If not for their actions in Avengers, much more harm would have occured. If not for their independence, the politicians would have destroyed New York. I am reminded that some of the most corrupt, tyrannical, and vicious regimes in the world are influential in the U.N.
@@jeffthompson9622 Thank you
People only see the bad. Thry did not even focus in the villains whi caused the damage.
They should have called the avengers in and say immediately, this was a complicated situation and figure out ways to prevent it. They put you in a corner and it made everyone take the best approach they could. The safest outcome at that point in time is Wanda shooting the fire in the building before more people in the town got hurt.
I like how Tony got confronted about the consequences of what he did and he tried to redeem it. I also like how she did not hate him, but just wanted him to acknowledge that these were lives that got affected. She could see he did not mean for this to happen, in my opinion anyways.
Thor is an Avenger. If the Avengers had done nothing Loki would be ruling Asgard and never would have came to Earth at the time he did in the current continuity.
@@unou588 strange has a stone, thanos would've come eventually. Also there's so many villans that exist even without the avengers, you're making a moot point. The avengers bring more good than harm, the public understandable doesn't know that.
I’m on cap side for defending Bucky. That was his best friend, who looked out for him. But if I was IronMan…somebody’s getting it
So u enjoy revenge?
Bucky was *brainwashed*, it wasn't really bucky doing it.
@@misterbobby8913 Yeah but that doesn't matter in the *moment.* Tony having a conversation about it after and coming to terms with Bucky being brainwashed while killing his parents is possible. But in that moment Tony watched both of his parents get killed while the murderer stood *right next to him.* It's a fight on sight immediately regardless of if Bucky was brainwashed or not. Any sane person that truly loved their parents would react the same way.
@@ohia_lehua Bucky was brainwashed, it wasn't really bucky doing the murders. Logic over emotion. That's a sign of maturity.
@@misterbobby8913 True, logic over emotion is a sign of maturity. But that's easy for us to say because we didn't just watch our parents be killed while the killer is chilling right beside us. It's illogical to assume that after such a scene Tony would turn to Bucky with understanding instead of grief and rage. If he had been told earlier by Cap and had time to process it, then maybe he could've come to terms with it. But twelve seconds after watching what the Winter Soldier did to his parents? Definitely not. Tony's reaction is valid regardless of the fact that Bucky was brainwashed 🤷🏽♀️
@@misterbobby8913 Enjoyment has nothing to do w/ it. Idk how you feel abt your parents but I just watched someone punch my father in the face till he died and literally choked the life out of my mother
Yea, I’ll go with vengeance
And?
What I love about this movie:
Sympathizing with Iron Man on the principle of attacking his parents' killer, is siding with Zemo.
Applauding Black Panther for his restraint is applauding what Captain America always believed in.
Victims are easily blinded by hate. In this movie, Captain America knew this and T'Challa learned this.
That's why it's a Captain America movie.
The arc reactor was removed from Tony’s chest years ago at this point (in IM3).
So, no. Bucky isn’t trying to rip Tony’s heart out, he’s trying to forcibly shut the suit down because Tony refuses to stop attacking...something Cap avoids doing until Tony threatens to kill him and he has no other choice.
If I knew for a fact that he was not the one responsible for his actions I would not blame him but the ones that controlled him.
@@BeS1228 I agree that time most likely would be necessary for many people. I, personally, don't know what my reaction would be. I generally don't get angry at anything and when I do get angry it's mild, so I really don't know what my response would be. But I am a person who can quickly understand another's perspective and empathize so I find it very hard to believe I personally would lash out at Bucky.
@@cassieberringer7427 to me it always came across more that Tony was mad at Steve because Steve *knew* Bucky killed his parents and not only kept that from him, but used his money to find the person who murdered his parents.
@@CLCSIfreak I do agree that is a part of it
@@cassieberringer7427 man i am not like you. if i were tony, watching bucky suffocate my mom like that would, i don’t care if he was being controlled, his last breaths would have taken place in that room. but also the fact that steve knew would’ve broken my heart past the point of being able to think anything through. i’d want them both dead simply for the way bucky killed my mom.
@@CLCSIfreak Steve knew Tony's parents had been killed, not that Bucky did it.
Don’t stop the marvel uploads! You haven’t even made it to Thor Ragnarok
That shows why some characters weren't here.
Truthfully I don’t blame Zemo if I lost everyone I would burn the world to the ground too or bring an empire to its knees
well yes but in his vendetta he killed families and someone’s kids and wives as well so he was not better than what he was trying to fight
@@juliannamontanna again I’m not trying to prove he’s a good guy, just I don’t blame him and he is a multi-dimensional villain
Don’t piss on my yum, I enjoy his character that’s all
Or unconsciously take over a whole town and live in a false reality in the shape of a giant hex
I'm Team Cap. The Sokovia Accords did so much damage in the MCU
And with General Ross backing it up. Nope. I don't trust that dude. He's one to talk. It's his fault for creating Abomination.
@@Serenity113 And he didn’t stop at Abomination. Red Hulk…
And it's never mentioned that T'Challa breaks the accords 3 times in the movie and he's on Iron man's side.
@@michaelplowman8674 isn’t that because he is a prince or a king since his dad was killed and had immunity?
@@Serenity113 Diplomatic immunity only applies if the hosting country offers it. Since T'Chala was arrested the first time, we know he didn't have it then. Eve if he was granted immunity later, it doesn't mean he wasn't violating the Accords.
Team Iron Man
The beginning of the father/son relationship between Tony and Peter! I love it!
That Tony/Steve confrontation is even more layered when you realize Steve never told Tony anything because he was struggling with his own denial and couldn’t face the truth about his surrogate brother;
*_And what he says before that, I think is true… that, ‘I didn’t know it was him’_*
- Stephen Mcfeely.
*_He does have a willful blindspot about Bucky… I don’t want to look at the fact that he probably did this_*
- Christopher Markus
*_Yeah, it’s true_* - Anthony Russo
*_Well, as everyone does about family. There are emotional bonds that you have that supersede logic_* - Joe Russo
It literally took seeing the footage of the murders, and subsequently being pressed by Tony, to snap Steve out of it and force him to finally be honest with himself and what he felt in his heart.
I went to see this movie in the theatre, wearing a Captain America t-shirt and a matching necklace. Also, when Black Panther movie came out, the cinema was packed out. #RIP Chadwick Boseman #Wakanda forever This movie that made me fall in love with Tom Holland when he became Spiderman. You should react to Black Panther #bingers
@Leonardo Santuario stop trolling leonardo.
@Leonardo Santuario get a job
Tony and Peter is one of my favourite relationships in the whole MCU though i love them so much
Billy: Why didnt they make a video game like this?
Me who's played all 3 Ultimate Alliance games: And this where we convince Billy to do Let's Plays.
Billy: Couldn't choose a side
Me: Chose team Iron Man within 5 seconds and understood Cap's perspective 5 years later😅
But I guess I'm team Thor/Revengers now aka team "I'm not getting involved"
Team Revengers for the win!
Tony was always right. The Avengers needed to exist, and so did a peacekeeping program like Ultron (that worked properly obv), and it was worth giving up some independence to the governments of the world to appease the public to make sure both happened.
@@kamtheman106 until you take a closer look and realize that damn near every government on the planet is corrupt. Remember, as a member of SHIELD, Cap witnessed firsthand how corrupt a government agency can be and Hydra was in control of SHIELD for Lord knows how long. The Sokovia Accords was literally just SHIELD/Hydra 2.0 waiting to happen. Cap was right to not sign the accords.
@@RobGamesOn well,people have different opinions. So,I respect both sides's opinions👍🏻
@@RobGamesOn Since all the governments are corrupt , are you an outlaw on the run let me know .
As Iron Man said: "I don't care, he killed my mom"
Logic flies out of the window and there's only the need for revenge, but i want to believe i would react just like Black Panther and don't let revenge get the best of me.
Billy I have to say, when you called it immediately after seeing Tony’s memory in BARF (sigh), I said ‘Oh my god!’ out loud. I haven’t seen anybody put the pieces together that early before.
Great reaction, Billy! I love your energy in these reactions. I know it's always worth it to watch!
Team Cap on the accords. But I do feel Steve should’ve been straight with Tony about his parents. At the same time Hydra killed Tony’s parents, Bucky was forced to be the weapon.
Gotta love all that Steve talk about Wanda being a kid but he didn’t hesitate to square up with Peter
Well he didnt blink to put Wanda in action either. Seems he only considered her a kid when she was on house arrest to keep her from public outcry
And he's a LITERAL child! Cap was on some other stuff lol
Did he know he was just a kid? He met him in the suit... He does sound like a kid tho and is small... Just playing devils advocate lol
Combat situations are different. Cap faced enemy soldiers who probably sounded just like Spiderman in WW2. How the law treats Wanda and a combat situation aren't in any way comparable.
Ok but who brought a literal child to a fight full of adults? Don't forget that detail
When Peter said "He also said to go for your legs.", that was actually a Vine reference (RIP VINE).
I don't think you had to watch the vine to figure that out
Which vine??
@@cierasneonrainbow I don't remember the username, but the commentary was:
"How do you take down captain America?"
"You shoot him in the legs because his shield's the sign of a dinner plate and he's an idiot."
XD
I keep thinking this is an Avengers movie because they’re all in the same place at the same time
also probably the reason they shot Hulk into space, guy would be unfair
Tony would never had a chance, Vision would have to seriously try to kill him to even have a chance. Like density shift into his body and than get dense again or some sh*t like that.
Team Cap! This makes me want to rewatch Civil War ASAP
I have been and always will be Team Cap, even while enjoying "The Falcon and the Winter Soldier" for basically being a post Civil War breakdown of all of Captain America's biggest mistakes. I deeply enjoy my favorite character having mistakes and having repercussions in the world. Love me some Cap. My best friend is Team Cap as well and spent years calling Tony the super villain of the MCU. Eventually, he had to concede that Tony at the present is the best version of himself, but any Tony Stark variant in any direction could easily be the Iron Maniac.
Definitely continue phase 3 😁 also I can't pick a side either because I understand and sympathize with them all.
When you look at the casualties the number is surprisingly small for the incidents. The numbers would be much higher if there was no intervention.
“This has to be the hardest fight in history, for marvel!”
Me: he clearly didn’t watch Infinity war or endgame😳
i hope he gets to them !!! craziest movies outta all these
He’s watched them. He said so plenty of times in the other videos.
He was talking about in terms of order. So far, up to now...this stand alone movie went the hardest. Avengers movies usually tend to be of a different category because they're ensemble pieces.
I’m guessing it’s the fact that they are fighting each other as opposed to an outside opponent.
This was the intro for this Spider Man and Peter’s supposed to be fourteen and he’s only actually been Spider-Man for six months, so this is his first time in a big battle.
#bingers
Avatar (James Cameron’s one)
Live die repeat
Spirit stallion of the cimarron
Teenage mutant ninja turtles
Homeward bound
Denice the menice
Ice age
How to train ur dragon
Transformers
Pacific rim
The perfect storm
Battleship
Aliens in the attic
Free Willy
Real steal
Live die repeat is one of my favorite movies!!!!
Yes to all 😁
*Real Steel
I'm not even gone lie captain America had me fucked up in this movie 😭😭😭. You really can't even blame Tony for being mad
Actually. Wanda was around 27 (2016 - 1989 = 27) (1989 is her birth year) at the time of this movie. Around the same age Steve was when he went into the ice (1945 - 1918 = 27)
But Since Steve is older than basically everything there. He might call anyone like Wanda a "kid"
Billy: having a mild breakdown over Bucky getting the motorcycle
Which was a real stunt BTW. Stunt guy no joke grabbed that bike and flung it around like that. Mad respect for those guys.
There are two teams: Team Captain or Team Wrong. The movie is self explanatory why the Accords don't work: politics at its finest. I don't mind Tony being mad at Bucky for killing his parent but at the end of the day, he's wrong. Let's blame Hawkeye for all the damage he did while being controlled by Loki in the first Avenger.
Well and clearly expressed. Tony is brilliant but often unwise.
Clint didn’t kill anyone there’s a difference on being a murderer and knowing you’re a murderer and a difference on being kind controlled to ruin the avengers for like an hour 😭
Not to mention it’s not just the fact he killed people it’s also the fact that they both lied to his face and we’re gonna continue until he saw it himself
It’s not team wrong it’s team I learned from my mistakes and I want to own it to it
@@Laurica-lb6nv spell check sabotaged you, changing mind to kind. It's corrupted my comments before, also.
I’m Team Cap and I don’t blame Tony for going off as you are right he saw his parents get killed and the man responsible right next to him
23:22 When there's this much emotion involved, logic doesn't matter. If I see the person to my right murder my father then proceeds to choke my mother to death...I don't care about his backstory or how he's changed...I'm coming for his life.
Which team was I on?
This is why Civil War was so great, everybody has plausible cause and proper reasoning for their irrational behaviour.
My heart ached for Tony though, and in all honesty: rationality would have definitely taken a backseat if I had been in the same room as my parents' killer.
Peter Parker (Spiderman) was 14yrs old in ;Civil War'. In 'Homecoming', he was 15, and by the time 'Infinity War' came around he was 16. In 'Endgame', he was still 16 because nobody aged in the soul world. He's also still 16 in 'Far From Home' cause that only takes place six months after 'Endgame'. It also takes place during the summer, and Peter's birthday isn't until August. Which means, in 'No Way Home', He'll be 17yrs old. =)
#bingers Gifted
#Bingers please do Pride and Prejudice ! you would get so much love for the girls!!
YES YES YES!!! A THOUSAND TIMES YES!
PLEASE
And emma
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My thing is that it’s not like the Avengers could just ask the villains “Can we go fight in an open field so we can avoid any civilian casualties?” . None of those things was their fault and the government just loves control. Like if it wasn’t for them everyone would be dead. I could see Tony’s POV but I was honestly on Steve’s side.
Your reactions are so entertaining!
Thank you ❤️
When he said “there’s so many murders in this. They lost everybody…..” you don’t even know the half of it yettt
The thing is Bucky killed Tony's parents while under Hydra's control, so it's not his fault
Okay but keeping the secret from Tony doesn’t help
But he wasn’t under anyone’s control when he went on a rampage or when he brutally attacked Tony. So your argument lacks merit.
@@Gypsygray he didn't brutally attack Tony, he was trying to incapacitate him to run away
@@meshuggah5292 dude he was trying to rip his heart out😀👍
@@iloveshrek7771 not his heart, the suits power source to render the suit useless. And if you're gonna mention thats the only thing keeping Tony alive, it's not, he had the bomb shards removed in Iron man 3 so he would have been fine
The internet wars that were weighed during Civil War was really fun.
Btw, team Ironman all the way.
I'm forever conflicted with this film. I love Tony and Cap very much! I understand both sides which is what makes it a great movie. I always agreed a little more with Cap about the idea of the accords themselves but understood where Tony came from of course. I've also gained even more love for Falcon and recently sort of fallen in love with Bucky so now I am overprotective of him like CAP IS RIGHT TO PROTECT HIM HE DIDN'T DO THE THINGS ON PURPOSE JUST HUG HIM PLEASE. BUT! Like he says he did do them.......but it wouldn't have freakin' killed Cap to be transparent with Tony about the situation. Yeah Tony was gonna be mad about his parents but i think maybe tell him before y'all are in a room together and he has to watch the video. Unless he thought Tony would just go absolutely mental and hunt Bucky down and kill him. He was right to protect Bucky when he was framed though and i don't blame him for protecting his best friend. In the end Tony was just as willing to make it personal like Cap was even though he had the less personal motives going into the accords. But they both don't want to have to deal with either accidentally hurting or just not saving people even though they could. I just wish PEOPLE WOULD HAVE CONVERSATIONS! 😂😂 IT'S COMPLICATED THAT'S WHY IT'S GOOD. Also i love Spiderman in this brilliant intro to Tom Holland at the time.
9:33 literally every war ever
What hurt me the most was the betrayal from Cap. Like, it took me a long time to forgive him, and I’m not even Tony!
Cap was wrong for not telling Tony. That's wrong ! This movie was so epic to watch in cinema 🙌🏾 More MCU plz including the series that you watched without context.
#bingers
just go with it
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Two can play that game
Deliver us from Eva
"Hey Tony, could you help me find the guy who I haven't found and who also killed your parents?" Yeah, seems legit. There was no place or time to tell him about his parents, Steve was searching for Bucky.
@@OsSas3 he knew for like 2 years. There was never gonna be a time and place to tell him, but he had more than enough time to tell him. And he should have realized how urgent it was when he started searching for him more
@@winxclubfairiesrule1 You know when was the right time? After he had captured Bucky. He was searching for Bucky in those two years or fighting Hydra, you're acting like Steve was on vacation. Like I said, Steve explaining to Tony how his parents die and asking for his help after, that wasn't a possible scenario.
@@OsSas3 it definitely was because Tony would have had time to calm down and think rationally. It don't make no sense that Tony would just be ok with the person who murdered his parents. He'd wanna get back at him no matter what, but if he had Been told ahead of time, he could have been angry and then once he calmed down had a talk with Steve and then helped him find Bucky. At the end of the day, Tony isn't an irrational person. He would have helped. Steve should have been the person to tell him and not anybody else. Steve was both of their friends and he did them both a disservice by not revealing the truth and then acting like the victim. At the end of it all, Tony was the person who got hurt.
@@winxclubfairiesrule1 Did we watched a scene where Tony apologized for his mistakes? Even to Wanda for killing his parents? Creating Ultron? Something like that? I don't get how is Steve fult for not letting Tony know, like as I said, Bucky was not even there. The situation would've been different if Bucky was captured and Steve kept the secret to protect Bucky from Tony's revenge but that didn't happened, Steve had many things in mind and I stand claiming it wasn't the time, Steve doesn't know how would Tony really react, you claim he wuld've cool off, I say He would've gone to kill Bucky either way. So there's that, Tony IS impulsive.
When it came to The Sokovia Accords, I was team Cap.If I have super powers I wont be controlled by the government, simple as that. But during the end I was with Tony because he deserved to know the truth and Steve should've told him before because he knew the truth after winter soldier and during Age of Ultron.
Some theorize, that that was the reason he couldn’t lift the hammer. Because he was keeping a secret, although he knew deep down, that it would be the right thing to tell him.
You mean like how Tony told everyone else what he was doing in AoU? How would Tony knowing have helped him? Tony had been shown to be so impulsive how many would he have hurt to find Bucky and exact a revenge that Bucky wasn't responsible for. Blaming Bucky for Tony's parents' deaths is blaming the gun and not the shooter.
I agree Steve should have said something, but Steve was also in complete denial about Bucky being responsible. Steve never brought it up because Steve couldn’t face the truth. It wasn’t about Tony. The writers and directors have went into great detail about this before. It’s even touched on in his letter at the end of the film.
As for the lifting Mjolnir theory, that’s been debunked countless times. Never mind it making absolutely zero sense when you realize Thor suffered the same denial with Loki and Odin was the king of keeping secrets.
@@michaelplowman8674 sorry why should tony tell the team what he's doing in his private lab with his private research? The team apart from banner aren't scientists it's none of their businesses what Tony does in his building.
@@dd-ye2zq Because they are supposed to be a team. Because it affected all of them. Tony even hints that he knows what he's doing is wrong but hopes the results are so good that the forgiveness he'd ask for making Ultron would be outweighed by the good Ultron would serve. Tony created a death machine. He should have been held responsible.
#bingers You should check out Prince of Egypt the songs are ✨👌🏽 I hope you have a nice day/night!
You’re so right! No one was catching fades like Black Widow until Black Panther and Shang-Chi came in. And I personally appreciate your love of Black Widow. The world needs more of it. Also, yes, I was Team Black aka Black Widow and Black Panther. Black Widow was only doing what she thought would keep them all together, which no one else cared about. And Black Panther was only there to avenge his daddy.
I hate I missed this premiere because people showed up late to my house 😭😭😭 now I finally can watch it but tragic I didn't get to see live. Great commentary! We all need someone to stan us like Billy stans Scarlet/Widow!
After Endgame, I think this one is my favorite from the MCU. The action is amazing, and really Captain America holding the HELICPOTER with his arms. Damn. It's also great character development and sets everything up nicely for them being scattered in Infinity War.
WHOOOO! Yas :D Billy, let's go! Watching the premiere is a good way to destress as I sit here typing my thesis at 2 in the morning South Africa time, lmao.
Bucky taking the motorcycle has always been one of my favorite scenes 🤭😍
Bucky had no control it wasnt him that killed his parent it was the brainwashed winter soldier
I will forever side with Tony in this. Cap picked Buckey over his friendship with Tony, going so far as to hide who killed Tony's parents. It's that in itself is wrong
Captain saw the bigger picture
You mean, Steve chose his only real connection with his past life, his bff over a guy who barely knows... Oh, what a monster. Also, the Accords are wrong, they don't improve anything, just legalize the action, don't have real consequences. And the best part, Tony is just feeling remmorse for all the shit he did, he thinks everyone is like him and need to be put in check when in reality, only Wanda and him are responsable for all the destruction.
@@Gbaby_1241 Cap was blinded by his past friendship with Buck and his guilt over not being able to save him
@@OsSas3 again Cap chose guilt over an actual friendship with Tony. You can stand up for an old friend without ruining your current friendships. Cap's decision made all of his friends criminals and nearly got Wanda either deported or put in jail. Cap didn't care, he only cared about him and Buckey
@@bobbihearn6168 Captain didn't care? He didn't sign the Accords not for Bucky, it was for Wanda! Tony never understood and treated Wandas as a weapon, having her in lockdown, not teaching her and trying to proper develop her powers; if you encourage fear and remorse to a person, when she's free, what will she do? Steve had the right mind. Captain actions made his friends criminals due to the goverment, not because he said: Let's do bad things, he tried to stop 5 Winter Soldiers, oh damn, what a horrible character. After trying to dialogue with Tony.
Yay! Finally at Civil War! #bingers Bad Times at the El Royale, Sister Act, Bend it like Beckham
Bend Like Beckham & Sister Act #Bingers
Yep keep going with the MCU. You’re obviously enjoying them and getting invested in the story lines ❤️
Love ya Billy!! You crackkkkkkk me up!! OMG HILARIOUS. APPRECIATE YOUR HONESTY! Question will you be doing infinity war and end game soon?
"There's so many murders in this...!"
😂😂😂
tony was wrong in the beginning so i was team cap but steve was wrong for keeping that secret from tony which made me team tony. i can’t blame tony for wanting to kill bucky. steve keeping that from his friend was just a different level of betrayal.
This man really be roasting every on screen kiss in these movies. You better have the most immaculate kissing skills on planet earth, else you'll never live it down.
please keep going!! I look forward to these videos ever Saturday lol
I can't...why did Billy spend like 10 full seconds firing shots at Hobbs and Shaw XD We all know Fast and Furious falls under the MCU at this point too
Billy frl said "tell aunt may I said hiii" I can't also plz keep going
You seen her??? 👀 😂 I’m ready to be a taken man you hear me
@@BillyBinges ayoo 😂
If hulk was there he would of destroyed both teams
If Hulk was there, he’d be on Cap’s side because no way he would ever want to the Government to be in control of the Hulk. Same with Thor. They both would have been with Cap and the 2 of them would have clapped team Iron Man.
@@PsychotiX1022 I mean Ross was in charge. Bruce Banner freaking hates Ross, so that alone should tell you Team Cap.
@@RobGamesOn
He did helped Tony create Ultron, his hatred for Ross is not justified just to join Cap side
Not to mention there’s a video of Tony calling Banner when he’s with Thor
@@joscar062 that's true... and Nat is there
So you're just gonna ignore that vision and hulk buster exist?
Honestly I wasn't Team Cap or Team Iron. I was more, "nooooo mommy and daddy are fighting and it's TRAUMATIZING me!" Lol
Don't worry, many of us fans couldn't choose a team because both sides are so relatable and the motivations clear.
Bucky was being controlled to killed Tony’s parents, just like how Hawkeye/Clint killed many people in Avengers when Loki had him mind controlled. If details didn’t matter then Wanda and her bro hatred of Tony would be the same as Tony’s for Bucky since a missile from Tony’s company killed their parents. They weren’t left a fortune but were frozen in fear for a long time, too afraid to move in case the missile explodes.
#bingers Billy have you seen the movie Wanted (2008) with Angelina Jolie and James McAvoy? It’s loosely based on a comic book about a guy who finds out his father is part of a secret society of assassins and he shares the same powers but doesn’t know it yet. It’s comedy and action!
I just have to say, I love all the shirts you wear in your commentaries!
When Tony said “so was I” I was like “BS!” They we’re always arguing lmao
Yeah, I never bought that they were really friends
True but I think by friends they just mean they were more than just acquaintances, they would depend on each other and help each other and fight together.
They definitely aren't close friends or best friends, but just friends.
I think we're supposed to assume they became friends during the time between Avengers and Avengers: Age of Ultron were things started to go down hill. The writers/directors didn't show it well however. Most of their friendship happened out of screen. It's very frustrating when compared to their strong friendship in the comics and the cartoons. The movie would have much more impact if they did.
even though this is technically a cap movie i've always considered it the third avengers, because THEY'RE ALL IN IT SO DANG MUCH. also i very clearly remember legit GASPING with shock when steve admitted to tony that he had known bucky did it. gasped so loud in the theater. it STUNG.
Avengers 2.5
I really don't like how Tony treated Wanda in this movie. He forgets that for superheroes like himself and Falcon, all they have to do is remove their suit and they can walk around like normal citizens. Wanda and other enhanced or mutant individuals, not only have to learn how to control their powers, but also has to deal with the persecution and fear by humans. We see this more evidently when Mutants are introduced and all the attacks and registrations that followed. Instead of sympathizing with Wanda, he decided to lock her away and even called her a weapon of mass destruction. Tony everyday decides to put on his suit. Wanda did not decide to have powers.
He just told her to stay home that's it just for few weeks that's it atleast she can do that 🤷
@@JaySewani having survived 2020, that's a tall order for normal people, let alone a superhero.
@@JaySewani There is a difference between suggesting that someone stay home and trying to take their choice away from them, literally giving instructions to Vision to bar her movement. Regardless of whether she should have stayed inside, his approach was too controlling. Furthermore, the language he continuously used in this film suggested that she was dangerous and needed to be reeled in by him.
@@LordVolkov It's not really that hard
@@ashante190 i think He did the right thing If she went outside in MCU world People would have made her seems like she is terrorist and it could have been lot worse for her because she is foreigner 🤷 she could have been Transported to her country again and end up in prison
You really think Tony didn't thought that
That's why he did what he did for her
Seen this literally 100 times! ❤️❤️ Definitely my favorite
I was team cap all the way, and pro-bucky all the way (in the fight against iron man). Even if i watched him kill my parents i would still want answers - some kind of explanation instead of being stuck with the unknown - so at the very LEAST i'd hear him/steve out. Dude was tortured and brainwashed for 70 years. To hold hydra's decisions and actions against him, instead of them, is not only allowing hydra to get away with that they've done but it's also blaming a victim for things that were out of his control. Don't get me wrong: Tony's anger was understandable! But that doesn't make attempted murder /excusable/. Especially when he was fully aware of Bucky not having been in control (his manchurian candidate comment earlier) Plus he was willing to kill Steve just because what?? He tried to protect Bucky?? They disagreed on the Accords??
Tony isn't even remotely a character i like anymore (based purely on the mcu, not comics) but Civil War really made him unbearable (for me anyway) Now that could be down to simply shitty writing, the later mcu movies are really good at not being the best in that way, but either way his actions throughout this were Big Yikes (again: in my personal opinion. i can see how people would feel differently, im just.. not one of them lol)
kill? lmao tony said stand down LAST chance
and u just gon be okay ur friend knew how ur parents died and not telling u all this time? lmaoo cap is jus like naruto HE KEEPS CHASING HIS FRIEND OVER AND OVEF AGAIN WHAT A PSSY
@@kategutib2772 think whatever you want, dude, i don't care. i'll answer your question & "points" but i know i'm not gonna change your mind (and you're not gonna change mine) so im not wasting my time beyond this
steve didn't know for certain, he only had a guess but tony refused to accept that. and even if he had known a. he was doing what he thought was right b. still not a good reason to attempt murder c. it doesn't matter if you tell someone to stand down, aiming blasters at their face with the full intent on using them would have been murder had tony not been stopped. he admitted that he intended to kill bucky and he was perfectly okay with steve dying too... because he was mad. he blew off a whole arm! thats excusable?? no. steve and bucky might be supersoldiers but only 1 person in that fight had a flying metal suit full of weapons and explosives and it wasn't them.
his parents being killed 20+ years ago by a brainwashed prisoner of war doesn't make any of what he did okay. his emotions being understandable doesn't make his actions excusable
@@mieczyhale tony big yikes? lmao bro saved most of the mfs in mcu
@@mieczyhale although I understand your point (and I adore Bucky btw no hate on him), you seem to forget that Steve and Bucky are super soldiers. They’re not regular humans compared to Tony that is literally just “a man in a can.”
Tony’s words in IM3 to Pepper; to quote him, “You experience things and then they're over, and you still can't explain them? Gods, aliens, other dimensions? I'm just a man in a can.”
Remove the suit and you will find a helpless dude, which, you can clearly see when Steve and Bucky tried to disable Tony’s armor (hitting his arc reactor instead of him).
Before I was Team Iron Man then Team Cap. Now, I’m Team No One because both sides are wrong. Both lack communication. If they have talked it out and lowered their pride, they might be able to come up with a solution to the Accords situation- like they always do- to any problems they encountered as a team.
Poor Bucky is just the center and collateral damage of these two dudes’ “dick measuring” contest - this is why I don’t like Steve and Tony in this movie 😂
This movie was amazing because everyone's got solid reasons. Even Zemo the villain. You can't root for anyone. Tho I'm Team Ironman still. Cap was still responsible for keeping it a secret from him. He admitted himself in that note he left for Tony along with the flip phone. He wasn't sparing Tony by keeping the secret, he was sparing himself. Plus while Cap cares about fighting for his right to choose, Tony acknowledged his powers brought danger to those he meant to protect, which both are really closely related to their backstory. Cap rebelling against his superior to save the soldiers in WW2, and Tony privatized his weaponry upon realizing it was used against the innocents.
Being an uber-Cap fan, I was always on his side. During this movie, I was just waiting for him to look at Ross and say, "You're right. Many of the places we've gone, there's been unthinkable losses. Now let yourself think about what would have happened if we weren't there. New York happens even if none of us ever meet. Wanda doesn't try to contain that explosion in Nigeria, then the dozens of citizens in that bazaar die, along with probably myself. We're not perfect. This Accord is worse."
If you go back and watch any of Robert Downey Jr's movies from the late 80's/early 90's, that VR version of him looks exactly like him from back then. I know it's creepy and weird if you're used to seeing him this age, but seriously, they made him look exactly right.