How can you possibly recommend the turbo on the CRV when Honda is having problems with fuel getting into the oil. In China they did a recall for this issue. Here in the USA they only provide an oil change. I will continue to avoid turbos, CVTs and direct injection like the plague.
You guys should mention the tires used when doing these snow tests. The tires are probably the biggest determining factor when it comes to handling in the snow and ice.
I had driven and own both Honda CRV and Rav4 AWD and the Honda CRV always give me fish tail and cause spin on the rear end and seems to feels unstable driving on snows. The Rav4 seems more sure footed and have the option of locking the 4x4 until you goes over 30MPH. This option really helps when you're in really deep snows or mud.
Well I just got done driving both these vehicles after a snow storm in Wisconsin and it was night and day as to which one performed better. The Toyota was glued to the road in a snow covered parking lot while the Honda was squirrely and skidded quite a lot. Stopping was noticeably better in the Toyota as well. I will say the Honda looks better inside and out but we went with the Toyota because I want my wife to get home safe.
I totally agree with you on your comments. I feels the same way and I have own both vehicle which are a 2015 Rav4 AWD and 2016 CRV AWD. The CRV drives just like you said. Sold the CRV and went and got another Rav4. A-men Looks is nothing when I needed traction. LOL
Currently, my daily is the 2021 Honda CR-V AWD the same generation as shown in the video. Honestly, it's a great vehicle,reliable, low maintenance, comfy, good handling, safe and runs like a champ. The CR-V AWD here in the Cleveland Ohio area is one of the most popular compact SUV'S in the local market because they perform great in all weather conditions. I love my 2021 Honda CR-V AWD.
If you are lucky you will get 200k on the Honda before major issues start creeping up due to that stressed out 1.5L Turbo. The Toyota will easily go 300K and while some may argue about not having a turbo I would rather have a slightly larger engine than a turbo any day for reliability reasons. Toyota wins for me.
I have a 2013 Rav4 and I love the car. It makes it up gold mine hill with a little momentum. Its one of those cars that doesn't excel at anything, but is good at just about everything. I wish I could get a rear locker for it.
AWD RAV4 is one of the best cars on snow to have fun. Only thing he didn’t do is use his handbrakes a little bit to pull out the rear end, it drifts like king 😂
We just leased a 2018 rav4 limited. she wanted something a bit larger than the Corolla and awd. Reliability was the number one factor for choosing Toyota over any other brand. They offer the Toyota care which is another plus. Very comfortable ride and she feels safe behind the wheel.
I think they are trying to appease the EPA gods with the underpowered option. The EPA in the U.S. market imposes fines if automakers don't try and be more fuel efficient. The 6 cylinder would certainly kick everything else's ass with that new TV-AWD on the limited though.
I wish winter driving comparisons of cars or tires were done in a more realistic test. I live in the snow belt (upstate NY). 90% of the time the roads will be plowed and salted making a very slippery mix until it is melted to the pavement. Slushy slop that can kill you. I also see test done above the arctic circle where the temps are 15F or less. That nice crunchy snow. Very cold snow is actually rather easy to drive on. Much more traction that slop.
So are you saying it is better to have a boring super reliable vehicle that you will get tired of before it wears out or an exciting vehicle that will eventually leave you stranded and getting rid of because it will cost thousands of dollars to keep it roadworthy?
John Huff for my wife, yes. She will never get tired of it because driving for her is getting from point A to point B safely and comfortably. Me on the other hand, I drive a GTI, so I guess I’m closer to your second scenario. 😉
Ed Mathews I had an 06 GTI. I loved that car. Far more fun than the specs and other numbers would suggest. It was a fairly reliable car but I got rid of it before it got too bad on maintenance. I think I had around 110k on it.
Good car for the wife. These CUV are just soulless transportation. My wife had a highlander and good god was that thing a snore fest. Yes they are very reliable, but I like my automobile to be fun to drive, not just point A to B transportation
Test drove and compared both vehicles. The CRV touring edition is head and shoulders better than the RAV 4. Honda's fit and finish and service is of much higher quality.
I've got a 2007 Rav4 with a six cylinder and have no interest in a four cylinder version. I did have a newer one for a week and liked that they had moved the seat back a few inches (more leg room). I also liked that the hood was higher. The lift gate was nice but didn't like that they no longer carry a full size spare. The HD/SAT radio was nice too. But, it lacked the power of my six and they reduced the towing capability so I'll stay with mine for now. Probably go with a bigger vehicle next time and real four wheel drive.
We wanted another Rav with a V6 but in 2013 we tested the new one with the 4 cyl and it was a slug. Bought a V6 Honda Crosstour 75k and it's still like new. Gonna drive it till the wheels fall off
You can buy a 2018 Honda CRV which in Not Turbo in LX model=2.4 Liter 184 hp. Only EX model is the Turbo & has engine issues (being 1st year new design).
CRV all day long for my wife and women love them! Resale is great, safety is great. Way more conferrable on long trips. She loves her 2015 and not trading it in any time soon. Great video!
Honda has been using the CVT since, 1989, and they brought it to America in the late 1990's in the form of the Insight. For those who think the CVT is lesser than an automatic, ask Formula One, it was banned in 1993 when the BMW Williams Team tried to use it in one of the cars they had brought to practice, it hadn't even made one lap believe it or not, it was to fast. So the future will be CVT, and yes, some companies like Nissan can't build a good one to save their lives, but companies like Honda to name one, does not care what you have to say, they know automatics are a thing of the past, and are slowly phasing them out.
Pay attention! There's a lot of complaints about 2017 Honda CRV. Because of more short trips , more city driving and cold weather, the gas is mixing in the oil of the new 2017 Honda CR-V. The 1.5 liter engine does not warm up sufficiently in cold weather and short trips , runs rich, and leaves un-combusted gas in the oil. This triggers engine warning lights and requires frequent oil changes. Engine performance and drivability suffer. This problem is also being reported on social media by other Honda CR-V owners who drive in colder climates. We are concerned that it is causing long term damage to the engine of the new vehicle. I caution prospective buyers to postpone the purchase of a 2017 or newer 2018 Honda CR-V with the 1.5 liter engine until Honda solves to this problem. The fifth generation CR-V is an excellent car in many respects, but this is a major problem. I cannot recommend the car, particularly to those who drive in colder climates, until a fix is found.
Both are excellent safe vehicles. However if I was planning on keeping my vehicle long term I would choose the Toyota. Although the small direct injected turbo and CVT on the Honda will certainly save you fuel the nightmare maintenance issues associated with them in the long run will cost you thousands. There is a reason why Toyota has not adopted direct injection on their engines. It is called carbon buildup on the back sides of the intake valves. Turbos are great but the exasperate this problem with their high pressures. Dual injection is one solution but it adds cost and complexity. CVTs although not very engaging to drive are wonderful for performance and efficiency. However they require more frequent and much more expensive maintenance than a traditional transmission. Nice video though I just thought I may point out the pros and cons of the two different approaches.
The carbon buildup issue isn’t really that prevalent anymore. I put 100k miles on a 1.8tsi Passat with the direct injection and never once had an issue. Use good gas and you won’t have an issue. Also put 75k on a direct injected focus without issue.
I own a 2017 Honda CR-V and my family loves it. Our last two family cars were a 2006 Honda Pilot and a 2007 Acura MDX. While the Crv has a lot less horsepower than both of those cars it does have much more usable power. As an enthusiast I am not bothered by the Crv and how it drives. The steering lacks feel but it’s very competent if you have to slam on your brakes and turn the car will feel very secure. I’m not bothered by the CVT either because it can deliver amazing fuel economy and the ratios it creates are something that puts automatics to shame. If you wanted to accelerate up a steep grade the Mdx and Pilot would drop a gear or two and your Rpms would skyrocket to at least 4,000 then up shift and two minutes later down shift again. In contrast the Crv can just sit at 3,000 as the turbo spools up and it will accelerate to the same speed just as quickly. I’m aware the Toyota is more reliable but I don’t like the styling and it’s extremely slow acceleration.
Applekid , I love your comment. I must say, I am a Toyota guy, but I like the cr-v. Did you notice the Toyota had dedicated winter tires and the Honda had street tires?
I had a cr-v and a rav as rentals. I liked them both about the same which was not that much. The metal on both were thin and they cheese them out to get the best mpgs. My regular vehicle is a 4x4 Tacoma off road and I'm used to a heavier better put together vehicle. That being said, I hate these unfair tests where one car has snow tires and the others aren't equal. And the $$$ they want is crazy. Things are way out of hand and the sad part is people accept it.
Yeah, we have a 17 turbo CRV too and it's pretty awesome with so much usable torque made at low rpms. I don't get this whole CVT hate. The infinite gear ratios is great for mpgs and acceleration. Honda (and Subaru) CVTs are actually reliable and less rubber-bandy feeling than most. I've driving stickshift cars all my life and when I decided to get the CRV and give up shifting gears, I guess I don't have any preconception of what automatic transmissions should feel like. I actually would prefer it didn't have the fake gear ratios and give me the smooth linear acceleration that I know it's capable of.
I have the Honda CR-V 2018 and I can honestly that say that it sucks in the snow. The fact that you can’t engage the all wheel drive system on demand is a problem. Amazing ride if you are driving in the highway, smooth ride, etc. However, if you live in places where it snows, please do yourself a favor and get a different vehicle. Looking to sale my CR-V now.
I've always believed the reasoning that the extra money that would go to a better interior they give to the engineers so they can keep them employed within Toyota to keep building reliable cars
There are Blizzak tires on the Toyota in this video, are there Blizzaks on the Honda too? If not it’s not a fair comparison. Blizzaks are literally the best tire for snow ever made.
9 out of 10 times I'd choose a Honda over a Toyota, but this is that 1 time, when Toyota's more traditional and bulletproof approach won me over. I mean, in all honestly, crossovers aren't my thing (I'd take a good station wagon with a set of winter tires over a crossover on all seasons any time), but if I had to choose, I think I'd be safer with the Toyota. Mind you, that my choice is not even based on this review, per say, but more about Toyota choosing displacement over forced induction and what's even more important, no stupid CVT.
Honda, hate the Turbo and the CVT. If you keep a vehicle over 100k miles, you don't want a Turbo. If you enjoy driving, you don't want a CVT transmission. The Toyota has a sport-shiftable 6-speed auto-transmission, which I enjoy.
I have a cvt and turbo I love it its so smooth I have 2017 Honda civic Ex-l I driven a ford f150 a camaro a subaru a Nissan and Mazda but I prefer the cvt to a normal transmission I can't go back a normal trans feels so slow now
I've driven over 800,000km on a single turbo in my dump truck. Sold it before ever needing to replace one. Turbo technology has come a long way. They are way more reliable than they once were when properly maintained
How about actually evaluating the stability/traction control - rather than turning it off and playing in the snow. Most people want to know how stable the car is, when you're caught in a blizzard.
Good question. I wonder what the towing capacity will be if/when the RAV4 gets the same 200 hp 2.5 engine and 8 speed transmission found in the 2018 Camry.
Buying or leasing? I have Rav 4 for lease. Rav 4 consume more gas per gallon than CRV. Interior and leg room also better on Rav 4. I wish they will have V6 and 9 speed automatic transmission
I would like to see a comparison between the Honda CRV and the RAV4 Hybrid during normal winter driving conditions. How does each system perform on icy highways and heavy snow? I am not interested in rally performance but would like the best handling possible. Thanks
I'm looking for real answers. Does the v6 make a dramatic difference in these vehicles? I drive a 06 Duramax pushing over 500 hp. Lots of things feel slow when compared. My wife is looking to get a small SUV and retire her 2011 Camry. The car feels kinda peppy with the 4 cylinder. I just wanted to see if the cost of the v6 over the 4 would be worth it.
I know this is 3 years late but I just bought a used RAV4 with the 3.5L V6 & got to say I am impressed, you just would not expect a RAV4 to have so much power, it is not a race car but it will do 0-60 in just over 6 seconds. So yes I would highly recommend the V6
Same with the 04 I used to have. Went up a mountain pass on all seasons and drove by everyone else that had to stop to chain up. I just got a Subaru Impreza, so I'm feeling confident for the winter in this too.
That new Honda omg!!! looks amazing, I would buy the Honda. The Toyota front just looks weird. that Honda front dammmmm and the back for get about it Honda wins lets be honest
Doug Zhang I'd say if you want the best balance between reliability and snow traction, get the forester. Realize though, that the Forester will not hold up as well as the Toyota over time.
Ones a little bit Country, the other is a little bit rock and roll ;) I would buy the Toyota if it was my money, based on the fact i want to keep the car longer. naturally aspirated with a regular automatic is going to last longer than turbo with CVT. Honda Definitely has the nicer interior tho.
Honda’s Real Time 4WD system really does work good, I’ve had it on 3 CRV’s BUT why in today’s day and age would you not make the centre diff lockable??? or make the rear diff lockable more like it (CRVs have no centre diff).
Funny how the Rav beat the Honda in every category but they decided the Honda was the winner . They kept admiring the loaded model of the Honda and docking the Toyota since it was a mid grade. Why didn't they do an apple to apples comparison? Also when does a system that only pushes 40% power to rear tires become preferable to a system that can lock in at 50/50?
They said that Honda is more practical but the Toyota is more fun. Like the difference between a mini-van and a 2 door wrangler. And the "locking 50/50" isn't really a locking 50/50. They just say it is. Honda pilots used to have a mode similar to that which people call the "I'm stuck, get me out" mode (VTM-4). It sent up to 70% of power to the rear. How does it do that? Because if the front were to have no traction, it can provide 70% of the torque to the rear tires -- not 100% like in a vehicle with a locked transfer case. The "locked 50/50" is saying it can provide 50% to the front and 50% to the rear instead of 100% to the front and 0% to the rear. This is more than the CR-V's 60/40.
I think, the people who would be buying this crossover will only care about getting out from their parking lot when there’s snow! My clear winner is CR-V
The Rav is more floaty side to side steering. The Honda has better gas mileage, handling, interior space but with a CVT transmission it won't pull as much as the Rav but that's how it gets better gas mileage, all day long.
Just wanted to let you folks know that these SUVs were surplied by the factory . That means it could be spiked or tuned a little more to punk the competition.
In my country the PHILIPHINES the cr v is powerd by a 1.6L diesel I-DTEC turbo charged engine 9 speed tansmition and i heard that the honda is top of the line in the philiphines the fog lights is LED just ask any question il anwer as many as i can
The Honda is more elegant and the Toyota is more stout. In the mountains, the RAV 4 Adventure & in the city or desert the Honda....if you tow...hands down the RAV 4 Adventure.
I used to have a 2004 CR-V and it was great in the snow. Went over a mountain pass in heavy snow in all seasons and drove right past everyone else stopped to chain up. I don't know about the other generations, but the 2nd gen has a good AWD.
According to what I see in the video, Toyota drives a lot better in snow than Honda so the winner is obviously Toyota. If it was an interior comfort comparison or design, it will be Honda. But since it’s a snow test driving comparison it’s Toyota obviously.
I am disappointed with the testing setup. If you want to be a boy racer / rally racer with a stock vehicle then I'm pretty sure you're checking out a Subaru WRX. Which holds the honor of vehicle that gets the most speeding tickets. Presumably because it's so fun to drive that you can't keep your foot out of it. For the rest of us it would be helpfull to see tests that matter in the real world. How about testing these two vehicles in their base trim on factory tires. How well do they handle 4 inches of unplowed snow up a 4 mile winding gravel driveway? How well are they going to do going over a mountain pass when traction tires or All Wheel drive is required? How can you possibly recommend the turbo on the CRV when Honda is having problems with fuel getting into the oil. In China they did a recall for this issue. Here in the USA they only provide an oil change.
Just a comment on older CVTs. I owned a 2010 Camry Hybrid, sold it 2 years ago. It never had any repairs required. What it did have was a beautifully smooth acceleration. Sold it because I needed an SUV. FWIW, I bought a RAV4. A rough ride over potholes, manhole covers, etc but otherwise happy with it.
A more interesting comparison for snow days (and I mean REAL snow, not that compacted stuff in this video) would be a Subaru Forester vs a Jeep Cherokee (a Latitude with Active Drive 2 would be a more fair fight).
Thanks for watching. You can also watch the new Alfa Stelvio take on the Porsche Macan on snow here: ruclips.net/video/Ak37FEDVmqo/видео.html
I wish you would do this test with the 2017/2018 Mazda CX-5
How can you possibly recommend the turbo on the CRV when Honda is having problems with fuel getting into the oil. In China they did a recall for this issue. Here in the USA they only provide an oil change. I will continue to avoid turbos, CVTs and direct injection like the plague.
You guys should mention the tires used when doing these snow tests. The tires are probably the biggest determining factor when it comes to handling in the snow and ice.
Shut up
Having owned both, you really can’t go wrong with either. Both some of my favorite cars ever.
I had driven and own both Honda CRV and Rav4 AWD and the Honda CRV always give me fish tail and cause spin on the rear end and seems to feels unstable driving on snows. The Rav4 seems more sure footed and have the option of locking the 4x4 until you goes over 30MPH. This option really helps when you're in really deep snows or mud.
i just bought a 2017 awd rav4, this is the first year ever that i am excited for it to snow!
Just bought an 18 awd today. Any problems yet???
You will get stuck all the time in a rav4 and snow
Well I just got done driving both these vehicles after a snow storm in Wisconsin and it was night and day as to which one performed better. The Toyota was glued to the road in a snow covered parking lot while the Honda was squirrely and skidded quite a lot. Stopping was noticeably better in the Toyota as well. I will say the Honda looks better inside and out but we went with the Toyota because I want my wife to get home safe.
I totally agree with you on your comments. I feels the same way and I have own both vehicle which are a 2015 Rav4 AWD and 2016 CRV AWD. The CRV drives just like you said. Sold the CRV and went and got another Rav4. A-men Looks is nothing when I needed traction. LOL
A big question is how long 1.5 turbo engine with oil dilution issue and CVT transmission will last on Honda.
Very long. I just saw a few 2018 and 2019 with over 200k miles for sale.
Currently, my daily is the 2021 Honda CR-V AWD the same generation as shown in the video. Honestly, it's a great vehicle,reliable, low maintenance, comfy, good handling, safe and runs like a champ. The CR-V AWD here in the Cleveland Ohio area is one of the most popular compact SUV'S in the local market because they perform great in all weather conditions. I love my 2021 Honda CR-V AWD.
Now 9 months later. And Honda is having issues with their turbo engines. Fuel in oil causing it to stall.
I like Honda when it comes to handling for every day drive. It’s more stable suspension. I have a 1997 Honda Civic put in 360k miles on it.
If you are lucky you will get 200k on the Honda before major issues start creeping up due to that stressed out 1.5L Turbo. The Toyota will easily go 300K and while some may argue about not having a turbo I would rather have a slightly larger engine than a turbo any day for reliability reasons. Toyota wins for me.
Ricardo Rodriguez I have never seen a 4 cylinder Turbo get 200k miles on it. Ever. This ain't a diesel.
I drove a CRV with manual transmission AWD it had 260K miles and running strong until someone Tboned me and I got a Total Loss
Turbo setup isn't always the most reliable. I really like the naturally aspirated route Toyota is taking.
That cherry red with the black rims looks pretty damn good on the yota
I have a 2013 Rav4 and I love the car. It makes it up gold mine hill with a little momentum. Its one of those cars that doesn't excel at anything, but is good at just about everything. I wish I could get a rear locker for it.
My first car was civic, the second car was accord v6, then 2018 crv touring. I am a vvvip customer.🤗🤗
I personally own, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Acura. Toyota is top of all if you want to keep for long time. Rav4 will be the best one.
Wait...did I notice the Rav4 was on winter tires, and the CRV was on stock ones?
Yes. I notes it too.
AWD RAV4 is one of the best cars on snow to have fun. Only thing he didn’t do is use his handbrakes a little bit to pull out the rear end, it drifts like king 😂
My mom bought the 2017 crv i was angry because it has those issues now it has 132 miles on it and still impressed
I know hondas are reliable best car
We just leased a 2018 rav4 limited. she wanted something a bit larger than the Corolla and awd. Reliability was the number one factor for choosing Toyota over any other brand. They offer the Toyota care which is another plus. Very comfortable ride and she feels safe behind the wheel.
Honda is no longer a reliable brand. It is now mediocre. Toyota and Mazda are the new leaders.
snow traction depends on the tire. I noticed RAV4 using blizzaks they need to use same tire on both cars to really compare snow driving
Reporting on brand-new cars. Will they work 5 years or 10 years from now?
I will never understand why Toyota removed the 3.5 litre 2GR-FE V6 option from the RAV4. Not everyone can stand the flutter of a 4-cylinder.
I think they are trying to appease the EPA gods with the underpowered option. The EPA in the U.S. market imposes fines if automakers don't try and be more fuel efficient. The 6 cylinder would certainly kick everything else's ass with that new TV-AWD on the limited though.
I want half of each car welded together and call it "HONTOYA"
Van Kham You'd better copyright it before I steal that idea
john smith literally chuckled 🤣
How bout Honyota
Toyota+Honda = Yotada?
Chery already did that with the J11
I wish winter driving comparisons of cars or tires were done in a more realistic test. I live in the snow belt (upstate NY). 90% of the time the roads will be plowed and salted making a very slippery mix until it is melted to the pavement. Slushy slop that can kill you.
I also see test done above the arctic circle where the temps are 15F or less. That nice crunchy snow. Very cold snow is actually rather easy to drive on. Much more traction that slop.
I bought the RAV4 for my wife. It’s a completely boring vehicle and she loves it. The engine is not even direct injected. It’ll last forever.
So are you saying it is better to have a boring super reliable vehicle that you will get tired of before it wears out or an exciting vehicle that will eventually leave you stranded and getting rid of because it will cost thousands of dollars to keep it roadworthy?
John Huff for my wife, yes. She will never get tired of it because driving for her is getting from point A to point B safely and comfortably. Me on the other hand, I drive a GTI, so I guess I’m closer to your second scenario. 😉
Same thing with my mother and my fiancé, I recommend Toyotas to them without a doubt while I myself have always owned Mazdas
Ed Mathews I had an 06 GTI. I loved that car. Far more fun than the specs and other numbers would suggest. It was a fairly reliable car but I got rid of it before it got too bad on maintenance. I think I had around 110k on it.
Good car for the wife. These CUV are just soulless transportation. My wife had a highlander and good god was that thing a snore fest. Yes they are very reliable, but I like my automobile to be fun to drive, not just point A to B transportation
Test drove and compared both vehicles. The CRV touring edition is head and shoulders better than the RAV 4. Honda's fit and finish and service is of much higher quality.
Only if their R&D WAS
I've got a 2007 Rav4 with a six cylinder and have no interest in a four cylinder version. I did have a newer one for a week and liked that they had moved the seat back a few inches (more leg room). I also liked that the hood was higher. The lift gate was nice but didn't like that they no longer carry a full size spare. The HD/SAT radio was nice too. But, it lacked the power of my six and they reduced the towing capability so I'll stay with mine for now. Probably go with a bigger vehicle next time and real four wheel drive.
We wanted another Rav with a V6 but in 2013 we tested the new one with the 4 cyl and it was a slug. Bought a V6 Honda Crosstour 75k and it's still like new. Gonna drive it till the wheels fall off
You can buy a 2018 Honda CRV which in Not Turbo in LX model=2.4 Liter 184 hp. Only EX model is the Turbo & has engine issues (being 1st year new design).
CRV all day long for my wife and women love them! Resale is great, safety is great. Way more conferrable on long trips. She loves her 2015 and not trading it in any time soon. Great video!
Tired of CR-V being categorized as a woman's car. I love CR-V's and I'm not a "Nancy" lol
They are my favorite cars.
@@boodro2122Hey buddy, I own the 2021 CR-V AWD and I am happy with my vehicle. I'm not a Nancy neither lol.
You should test using EX or EX-L model.
bcas 90% of the buyer doesn’t buy top end model
If you take out one of the Rav4.3s with the V6, you will have a blast.
Honda has been using the CVT since, 1989, and they brought it to America in the late 1990's in the form of the Insight. For those who think the CVT is lesser than an automatic, ask Formula One, it was banned in 1993 when the BMW Williams Team tried to use it in one of the cars they had brought to practice, it hadn't even made one lap believe it or not, it was to fast. So the future will be CVT, and yes, some companies like Nissan can't build a good one to save their lives, but companies like Honda to name one, does not care what you have to say, they know automatics are a thing of the past, and are slowly phasing them out.
Good job
The Rav 4 has bilzzak snow tire on and the Honda car-v has Michelins, are those Michelins snow tires? Tires makes a huge difference in snow.
NiteSiren64 all have snow tirea
Pay attention! There's a lot of complaints about 2017 Honda CRV. Because of more short trips , more city driving and cold weather, the gas is mixing in the oil of the new 2017 Honda CR-V. The 1.5 liter engine does not warm up sufficiently in cold weather and short trips , runs rich, and leaves un-combusted gas in the oil. This triggers engine warning lights and requires frequent oil changes. Engine performance and drivability suffer. This problem is also being reported on social media by other Honda CR-V owners who drive in colder climates. We are concerned that it is causing long term damage to the engine of the new vehicle. I caution prospective buyers to postpone the purchase of a 2017 or newer 2018 Honda CR-V with the 1.5 liter engine until Honda solves to this problem. The fifth generation CR-V is an excellent car in many respects, but this is a major problem. I cannot recommend the car, particularly to those who drive in colder climates, until a fix is found.
I have crv 2017 since 2 years and no have any problem its very economic and luxury car..
Rav4 and CX5 are the only choices for me. No turbo or CVT
Both are excellent safe vehicles. However if I was planning on keeping my vehicle long term I would choose the Toyota. Although the small direct injected turbo and CVT on the Honda will certainly save you fuel the nightmare maintenance issues associated with them in the long run will cost you thousands. There is a reason why Toyota has not adopted direct injection on their engines. It is called carbon buildup on the back sides of the intake valves. Turbos are great but the exasperate this problem with their high pressures. Dual injection is one solution but it adds cost and complexity. CVTs although not very engaging to drive are wonderful for performance and efficiency. However they require more frequent and much more expensive maintenance than a traditional transmission. Nice video though I just thought I may point out the pros and cons of the two different approaches.
John Huff yea but hondas known for reliability we will just have to see how it stands up
zachcondon4568 Honda reliability isn’t the same as the 90’s. How are they still having transmission problems. Simplicity wins over quantity.
Take a look at the 1.5T fuel dilution problem. In boost, it seems like gas is getting into the crank case and severely diluting the oil
The carbon buildup issue isn’t really that prevalent anymore. I put 100k miles on a 1.8tsi Passat with the direct injection and never once had an issue. Use good gas and you won’t have an issue. Also put 75k on a direct injected focus without issue.
I agree with you fully, but if we were taking about a lease, I'd go with the honda
I own a 2017 Honda CR-V and my family loves it. Our last two family cars were a 2006 Honda Pilot and a 2007 Acura MDX. While the Crv has a lot less horsepower than both of those cars it does have much more usable power. As an enthusiast I am not bothered by the Crv and how it drives. The steering lacks feel but it’s very competent if you have to slam on your brakes and turn the car will feel very secure. I’m not bothered by the CVT either because it can deliver amazing fuel economy and the ratios it creates are something that puts automatics to shame. If you wanted to accelerate up a steep grade the Mdx and Pilot would drop a gear or two and your Rpms would skyrocket to at least 4,000 then up shift and two minutes later down shift again. In contrast the Crv can just sit at 3,000 as the turbo spools up and it will accelerate to the same speed just as quickly. I’m aware the Toyota is more reliable but I don’t like the styling and it’s extremely slow acceleration.
Applekid , I love your comment. I must say, I am a Toyota guy, but I like the cr-v. Did you notice the Toyota had dedicated winter tires and the Honda had street tires?
CRV is running Michelin Latitude X-Ice xi2. You can tell from the close-up of the side wall and the tread pattern.
I had a cr-v and a rav as rentals. I liked them both about the same which was not that much. The metal on both were thin and they cheese them out to get the best mpgs. My regular vehicle is a 4x4 Tacoma off road and I'm used to a heavier better put together vehicle. That being said, I hate these unfair tests where one car has snow tires and the others aren't equal. And the $$$ they want is crazy. Things are way out of hand and the sad part is people accept it.
Honda paint jobs fade too fast.
Yeah, we have a 17 turbo CRV too and it's pretty awesome with so much usable torque made at low rpms. I don't get this whole CVT hate. The infinite gear ratios is great for mpgs and acceleration. Honda (and Subaru) CVTs are actually reliable and less rubber-bandy feeling than most. I've driving stickshift cars all my life and when I decided to get the CRV and give up shifting gears, I guess I don't have any preconception of what automatic transmissions should feel like. I actually would prefer it didn't have the fake gear ratios and give me the smooth linear acceleration that I know it's capable of.
Cr-v much better creature comforts. Rav4 much better reliability, but lacks what the Honda offers.
mike finnity Honda CR-V lacks reliability? 😂
Its a honda with all problem is still a reliable machine
I have the Honda CR-V 2018 and I can honestly that say that it sucks in the snow. The fact that you can’t engage the all wheel drive system on demand is a problem. Amazing ride if you are driving in the highway, smooth ride, etc. However, if you live in places where it snows, please do yourself a favor and get a different vehicle. Looking to sale my CR-V now.
Honda has always been good in the interior design than Toyota
I've always believed the reasoning that the extra money that would go to a better interior they give to the engineers so they can keep them employed within Toyota to keep building reliable cars
Excellent review, I have a request can you please make a comparison video of the Honda safety sense (CR-V) vs Toyota safety sense (RAV4).
did the cars have the same tires? not really a fair test if not, because ESPECIALLY with snow tires, it makes a huge difference.
Just starting my car buying research for brand new car( i think)how is the difference in snow driving with crv 17,18 and 19 inch wheels?
There are Blizzak tires on the Toyota in this video, are there Blizzaks on the Honda too? If not it’s not a fair comparison. Blizzaks are literally the best tire for snow ever made.
7:38 So the Honda CR-V wins. Good to know.
Thanks for saving my time from having to watch the whole non-informative video.
I noticed that the Rav 4 had Bridgestone Blizzacks on it,but not sure what the Crv had for tires.This should have been noted.
The automaker added Michelin X-ice tires to the CR-V
I hope you also turned off Econ mode and maybe tried Sport mode, if you wanted more power on the CRV, the Econ mode will slow you down.
I tried every single drive mode.
9 out of 10 times I'd choose a Honda over a Toyota, but this is that 1 time, when Toyota's more traditional and bulletproof approach won me over. I mean, in all honestly, crossovers aren't my thing (I'd take a good station wagon with a set of winter tires over a crossover on all seasons any time), but if I had to choose, I think I'd be safer with the Toyota. Mind you, that my choice is not even based on this review, per say, but more about Toyota choosing displacement over forced induction and what's even more important, no stupid CVT.
Honda, hate the Turbo and the CVT. If you keep a vehicle over 100k miles, you don't want a Turbo. If you enjoy driving, you don't want a CVT transmission. The Toyota has a sport-shiftable 6-speed auto-transmission, which I enjoy.
I refuse to buy a vehicle with a turbo, a CVT or direct injection! More problems, more expense, more complications and less reluability.
Uptin Sinclaire What vehicle doesn't have direct injection these days?
I have a cvt and turbo I love it its so smooth I have 2017 Honda civic Ex-l I driven a ford f150 a camaro a subaru a Nissan and Mazda but I prefer the cvt to a normal transmission I can't go back a normal trans feels so slow now
I've driven over 800,000km on a single turbo in my dump truck. Sold it before ever needing to replace one. Turbo technology has come a long way. They are way more reliable than they once were when properly maintained
Looks like know shit about cars . Always had turbo cars SUV on each one put over 300 000 km no problem with turbo
How about actually evaluating the stability/traction control - rather than turning it off and playing in the snow.
Most people want to know how stable the car is, when you're caught in a blizzard.
Exactly how I feel as well, the video was not helpful in choosing a reliable awd suv for winter driving.
Toyota hands down.. simplicity and quality.😉
Can u do a comparison between a 2016 Ford Explorer platinum and a Toyota Highlander limited platinum
Is it possible to add the "tow package" coolers and such on other Rav4s? I have a 2014 limited, and would love the higher tow capacity.
Good question. I wonder what the towing capacity will be if/when the RAV4 gets the same 200 hp 2.5 engine and 8 speed transmission found in the 2018 Camry.
Buying or leasing? I have Rav 4 for lease. Rav 4 consume more gas per gallon than CRV. Interior and leg room also better on Rav 4. I wish they will have V6 and 9 speed automatic transmission
I would like to see a comparison between the Honda CRV and the RAV4 Hybrid during normal winter driving conditions. How does each system perform on icy highways and heavy snow? I am not interested in rally performance but would like the best handling possible. Thanks
I'm looking for real answers. Does the v6 make a dramatic difference in these vehicles? I drive a 06 Duramax pushing over 500 hp. Lots of things feel slow when compared. My wife is looking to get a small SUV and retire her 2011 Camry. The car feels kinda peppy with the 4 cylinder. I just wanted to see if the cost of the v6 over the 4 would be worth it.
I know this is 3 years late but I just bought a used RAV4 with the 3.5L V6 & got to say I am impressed, you just would not expect a RAV4 to have so much power, it is not a race car but it will do 0-60 in just over 6 seconds. So yes I would highly recommend the V6
Great Job. Thanks for sharing. Toyota makes an amazing product that can tow a trailer! Great job! Will be buying the Rav
My 05 crv awd even on all seasons is a beast in the snow. I was one of the only cars on the road that wasn't stuck.
Same with the 04 I used to have. Went up a mountain pass on all seasons and drove by everyone else that had to stop to chain up. I just got a Subaru Impreza, so I'm feeling confident for the winter in this too.
That new Honda omg!!! looks amazing, I would buy the Honda. The Toyota front just looks weird. that Honda front dammmmm and the back for get about it Honda wins lets be honest
How do these systems compare to other segment competitors in the snow (Forester, Equinox, CX5, etc.)? Winter tires on all vehicles, of course.
guy proulx Yeah, I had a feeling that it would (I own a 2009 Legacy) but I'd like to see someone actually test it :)
Ford escape
Doug Zhang I'd say if you want the best balance between reliability and snow traction, get the forester. Realize though, that the Forester will not hold up as well as the Toyota over time.
Good video. Any plans on doing the Qashqai in snow?
No, but thanks for the suggestion!
Hundredth Meridian rogue?
Sartaj Aujla it's the Rogue Sport in the US
im incorrect lol, in canada it is called the qashqai though. yeah rogue sport in the us.
The Honda CRV is a beast in the snow and so much fun
RAV4 has a much cheaper interior, uncomfortable seats, less room. until the new gen comes out the CR-V is the winner for me
Ones a little bit Country, the other is a little bit rock and roll ;)
I would buy the Toyota if it was my money, based on the fact i want to keep the car longer.
naturally aspirated with a regular automatic is going to last longer than turbo with CVT.
Honda Definitely has the nicer interior tho.
Honda’s Real Time 4WD system really does work good, I’ve had it on 3 CRV’s BUT why in today’s day and age would you not make the centre diff lockable??? or make the rear diff lockable more like it (CRVs have no centre diff).
Cant wait to see how the 2019 Rav 4 compares...especially the hybrid!!
The Hybrid does not do well in terms of AWD. Just get a normal one and go places with it!
They are both good vehicles but I trust more Toyota. Just my opinion!!!
Can you compare the new forester vs the Rav4?
Funny how the Rav beat the Honda in every category but they decided the Honda was the winner . They kept admiring the loaded model of the Honda and docking the Toyota since it was a mid grade. Why didn't they do an apple to apples comparison? Also when does a system that only pushes 40% power to rear tires become preferable to a system that can lock in at 50/50?
What categories?
They said that Honda is more practical but the Toyota is more fun. Like the difference between a mini-van and a 2 door wrangler. And the "locking 50/50" isn't really a locking 50/50. They just say it is. Honda pilots used to have a mode similar to that which people call the "I'm stuck, get me out" mode (VTM-4). It sent up to 70% of power to the rear. How does it do that? Because if the front were to have no traction, it can provide 70% of the torque to the rear tires -- not 100% like in a vehicle with a locked transfer case. The "locked 50/50" is saying it can provide 50% to the front and 50% to the rear instead of 100% to the front and 0% to the rear. This is more than the CR-V's 60/40.
I miss the good 'ol days when you could still test Subarus. Would be nice if you and Subaru could be friends again. 😢
Maybe when Subaru eventually gets away from Jatco transmissions, and something else to offer than a boxer.
I think, the people who would be buying this crossover will only care about getting out from their parking lot when there’s snow! My clear winner is CR-V
Pcgamer01 Too bad it’s not as reliable
you’re wack You're right, it's more reliable
Rav4 has the Blizzak winter tires and Crv has stock michelins all season. Not fair!
I understand that turbocharged 4 and 6’s are great engines but for myself I hope they don’t abandon big v8’s.
The Rav is more floaty side to side steering. The Honda has better gas mileage, handling, interior space but with a CVT transmission it won't pull as much as the Rav but that's how it gets better gas mileage, all day long.
Only 40% to the rear on the CR-V? That's old technology. The old RAV4 did that (on the old external spare tire RAV4).
Just wanted to let you folks know that these SUVs were surplied by the factory . That means it could be spiked or tuned a little more to punk the competition.
Does anyone know if the 4×4 is with button or is it automatic?
Toyota provides a button to activate the four-wheel drive lock.
@@ianszakacs531 thanks👍
In my country the PHILIPHINES the cr v is powerd by a 1.6L diesel I-DTEC turbo charged engine 9 speed tansmition and i heard that the honda is top of the line in the philiphines the fog lights is LED just ask any question il anwer as many as i can
Forester, ideal environment Toyota?
I can't wait for the next gen rav4. Only about a year out.
i think it should be released in atleast September right? I am hoping they unveil it in a couple months
It’s going to look very rugged, sorta like the Tacoma. Can’t wait.
what about the highlander?
KYDashcam do you mean this toyota in this video? ruclips.net/video/sIDmHpWHVmM/видео.html
Giorgos Pasxalhs no
I might have to sell my 4wd Xterra but i do have a 2016 Rav4 AWD, i just might lif it, get better tires and use it as a temporary camping rig
The RAV4 is a rigid sturdy looking vehicle
The Honda is more elegant and the Toyota is more stout. In the mountains, the RAV 4 Adventure & in the city or desert the Honda....if you tow...hands down the RAV 4 Adventure.
Rav4 looks better an doesn't has the cvt
headcas620 I know but I prefer the toyota
grow up...mustang loser...
This one doesn’t look good but the 5th gen is a looker.
Its not tfls fault , but they should mention about the tires though in the video
In real winter driving the CRV falls short, I own one but I won't own another.
I used to have a 2004 CR-V and it was great in the snow. Went over a mountain pass in heavy snow in all seasons and drove right past everyone else stopped to chain up. I don't know about the other generations, but the 2nd gen has a good AWD.
Crv ex?
If you are in the market for a Honda CRV please look up oil dilution or watch my video before making a purchase.
Maybe compare them to the GMC terrain or Chevy equinox.
guy proulx I work at a GM dealer and leased a 2018 terrain, but I would like to see what the off-road capabilities are of my vehicle. :)
guy proulx lol for sure. I just wanted to see the comparison with the terrain or equinox and these two SUVs.
maybe the nimble was from a trail created from other runs
I'll take the 6 speed Toyota over the CVT Honda
According to what I see in the video, Toyota drives a lot better in snow than Honda so the winner is obviously Toyota. If it was an interior comfort comparison or design, it will be Honda. But since it’s a snow test driving comparison it’s Toyota obviously.
Rav 4 on winter tires?
daryl g looks like it and Honda looks like it’s on all seasons
CRV is running Michelin Latitude X-Ice xi2. You can tell from the close-up of the side wall and the tread pattern.
Nope - snow & ice tires.
Yes
You should have brought the Toyota hybrid RAV4 or the le base versions...
6 speed transmission vs a cvt - Toyota for me. Turbo with potential oil dilution problem vs N/A 4 cyl - Toyota for me.
I am disappointed with the testing setup. If you want to be a boy racer / rally racer with a stock vehicle then I'm pretty sure you're checking out a Subaru WRX. Which holds the honor of vehicle that gets the most speeding tickets. Presumably because it's so fun to drive that you can't keep your foot out of it. For the rest of us it would be helpfull to see tests that matter in the real world. How about testing these two vehicles in their base trim on factory tires. How well do they handle 4 inches of unplowed snow up a 4 mile winding gravel driveway? How well are they going to do going over a mountain pass when traction tires or All Wheel drive is required? How can you possibly recommend the turbo on the CRV when Honda is having problems with fuel getting into the oil. In China they did a recall for this issue. Here in the USA they only provide an oil change.
Just a comment on older CVTs. I owned a 2010 Camry Hybrid, sold it 2 years ago. It never had any repairs required. What it did have was a beautifully smooth acceleration. Sold it because I needed an SUV. FWIW, I bought a RAV4. A rough ride over potholes, manhole covers, etc but otherwise happy with it.
The Rav4 is a better car. I own a CRV and is sluggish compared to the Rav4. The Crv is more comfortable but powertrain wise Toyota is a beast.
No CVT and can tow = Rav for me.
Ryan rav 4 is cvt
Tina Lee the RAV4 is an automatic
Tina Lee The rav4 has 6 speed automatic.
Rav4 is not cvt
fyi guys hybrid rav and camry are cvt's
A more interesting comparison for snow days (and I mean REAL snow, not that compacted stuff in this video) would be a Subaru Forester vs a Jeep Cherokee (a Latitude with Active Drive 2 would be a more fair fight).