this man should be in jail. imagine being the victim and telling your story and there goes the whole crowd hugging your fucking abuser that's a fucking slap on the face.
@@puregameplay7916 That is correct, but the law aside, many consider it unethical if the age gap is so large. It would at the very least be considered very weird and creepy, especially from a pastor. I would also make the argument that he was an authority figure to the girl, which would make it illegal.
@@puregameplay7916 we found him guys....we found the pedo, regardless of whether or not she was of legal age she was not consenting...plus 16 is literally still a child, even if it is legal, trying to defend that shit is kinda telling
i just scrolled down to say that! i choose to believe she weaponized the concept outlined in a screenshot i saw once: the best way to get accurate information is to say something incorrect and wait for people to correct you
When the leader falls, it affects all the followers. Leaders are meant to follow a high standard to set an example to the followers on how to live. Thus, when he failed that high standard, it does affect everyone else.
It's even worse in some countries here in Africa. The false pastor uses the ToUch nOT My anOiNtED oNe, Do mY pRopHeTS nO HarM bible verse to intimidate anyone that tries to question them. It sucks. There's the honor that, biblically speaking, pastors should be given. But then there's this. Complete manipulation
It's the pastors, it's the ones that want to go up and testify the most. I was called to Christ about twenty years ago, but I also started working at the county jail. The number of church folk I saw come in and out of there was horrible, the things they were doing showed that they were not following what they preached. I believe now that was a test of my conviction and I failed. I denied myself a relationship with God because of what I saw others doing, the same ones that prayed with me and laid their hands on my head. I feel that calling again and pray that my character is strong enough this time, whatever test may come.
@@DoflamingoDonxiquote 14 to 18 is a gap 14 and 16 is not 16 and 20 is gap stop trying to mitigate being a pedo bro by your profile pic you look like someone attracted to highschoolers
@@super_seaton9016 You've done your research, I wonder why.. It doesn't make it right that Indiania lawmakers are a bunch of Pedophiles so they made it so a 40yr old man can rape a 16yr old girl Can't do porn or drink a beer but you can apparently can have "sex" with a pastor more than twice your age, someone abusing their position of power
@@kyoudaim603 23 So if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar and go. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. (this is also in mathew I believe)
You're missing the huge part.... he didn't go there to confess.... SHE WENT THERE TO EXPOSE HIM, and he must of seen her in the crowd so he decided to reveal his interpretation of what happened before she could out him. if she didnt have the courage to go, this would have never happened. Brave girl.
Oh my God. You’re fucking right. His tone of voice was not repentant, it was declaratory. It was like saying what he ate from breakfast. He didn’t care. You’re so fucking right. Underrated comment. He kept defending himself and correcting the people in the audience. If he really was sorry he wouldn’t have been able to stand on that stage or look the members of the crowd in the eyes. He probably would have resigned weeks prior if he actually had been convicted of his crime. But no. He didn’t care. He was anxious he’d be ratted out like you said. This makes me so sick to my stomach, having grown up in church this kind of thing could have happened and I wouldn’t have known what to have done as a kid. This makes me so sick how twisted they use the scripture. It makes me sick to my stomach to see how they disregard justice just to save face and appear godly. Using “forgiveness” as a means to sweep it under the rug and dismiss the whole thing of responsibly for his crimes. 100% fucking pure evil. God has a special place in hell for this guy. That’s biblically endorsed too. Just read Matthew 23. Jesus literally would be disgusted and condemn these kinds of people. Half of Jesus’ ministry was **against** the so called “Pastors” of his day and age, the Pharisees and Sadducees. He literally warns people to “do what they teach you but not what they do” because he wanted to make a distinction between actually following the law and acting unjustly and lawlessly as the hypocritical teachers would do. If Jesus was around today I bet he would fucking disown Christianity. 100% These fucking hypocrites defend their faith more then they do their fellow man. Disgusting what people will do when you dangle eternal life on a string in front of them.
Okay, that explains A LOT to me. I will take down my comment of "why was this lady, AND her husband still going to the same church, with the SAME preacher who repeatedly raped her as a child?" Thanks for the clarification.
@@JCTBomb I didn’t read all of this but understanding the gist, It truly is horrible that stuff like this happens, we can’t let it get to us to much though. God deals with it all in the end of it and he’ll get his due-diligence in the end.
Imagine how heartbreaking it must have been for that poor woman to see people from her congregation HUG the predator who sexually abused her, minutes after she mustered the courage to talk publicly about it. And then people wonder why victims don’t speak up smh
That's catholic, or some other church that functions like catholics. In most churches, if you committed adultery but repented, you can still be a pastor. As long as it doesn't effect the church in a negative way. However churches like the Catholic Church, have all these rules and regulations that are more about business than worship. A recent priest has been saying lines wrong when baptising. So all these people think they aren't saved anymore because of a simple mistake. Dumb A lot of people think of Catholics when they hear christain. But really most christain churches in the US don't like Catholics. Not the people, just their beliefs. They have idols that step between them and God. A lot of abuse happens in the catholic church too. Bad rep for christains
@@lalotime The Catholic Church, being the oldest institution in the world, with over a billion members across the globe, necessarily has an extensive Code of Canon Law that, ideally, guarantees a degree of oversight and provides channels for conducting business and addressing abuses. However, the form of the Sacrament of Baptism is not a matter of canon law; it is a matter of sacramental theology. So you are wrong to connect the baptismal formula with "rules and regulations that are more about business than worship." On the contrary, the sacrament itself depends in part upon the proper words being said, which principle may be seen in embryo in the New Testament; the baptismal font is not the place for personal ingenuity. The priest in question did not make a "simple mistake"; regardless of his intentions he was either extremely careless or willfully disrespectful of the Church's instructions. Finally, to say that the invalidly baptized are not "save[d]" is to misunderstand the Catholic doctrines concerning salvation, which see a more or less gradual human progress toward beatitude, in cooperation with the divine grace normatively received at Baptism. In other words, if you're going to call something "dumb," I suggest understanding it first.
Exactly. It's kind of like what they do in confession. "God I have sinned, I hurt someone, can YOU forgive me?" Like?.? That's extremely toxic. They're asking god to forgive them when they should do that to who they actually hurt.
@@nottzoyou’re sinning against God and His child. When He did this He hurt GODS child, One whom He loves so very much. And He obviously cares for her soul so in that the pastor has also sinned against God. By hurting His child, and it pains God for His child to hurt.
@@iggy9226 nnnah. the person who was directly involved should be apologized to. i wouldn’t forgive anyone if they hurt me and decided to apologize to their god instead of me. Its selfish
@@nottzo i agree, its like just saying some magic word and thinking you will be able to move on in life scott-free. Deep down people like that probably dont even belive in god, they just use him to get rid of their own sense of guilt so they can therefore do whatever they want.
Imagine telling your SA story in front of your abuser and his followers only for them to hug him later. That isn’t just a slap in the face, that is a hard kick in the crotch with a stab in the back, yet that still doesn’t amount to the pain that poor girl felt
A priest could probably walk into his follower's houses, grab their baby in front of them and leave and no one would stop them. Probably also applies to their money.
His son, Jeremiah Lowe also is a child rapist. He raped Jessi Kline when she was 13 and he was supposed to babysit her, her family also were members of John Lowe's fucked up church.
You ever notice it's always the "really religious" people who find out about crimes against children in their communities/families who are so quick to just forgive and sweep it under the rug? Every man in my family had done something to me and what happened? "They apologized, get over it. They could've killed you, aren't you glad you're still alive?"
Yeah, you should be glad youre still alive to mention it in a yt comment section. Those types of scenarios dont tend to have the best outcome as far as, yknow, the victim living.
@@royalgelly8948 however, the damage they did To hear "you should be glad you're still alive" while I'm living crippled in fear and unable to leave me house
@@royalgelly8948 I'm currently doing therapy every other week, on anti psych meds I'm just saying, the victims who didn't make it-heart goes out to them and their families But telling a victim "you should be glad you're alive" when every day is an actual struggle kinda got to me and I apologize. You're awesome for telling someone to do those things though. Not too many people even fake caring anymore. Just know, for most, this shit never goes away.
The fact that he has the ego to stand in front of the crowd, say “Ya I molested a minor, but now you’re going to forgive me because I’m undergoing the biblical recovery process” is somehow so suprising and yet almost expected
I once had a pastor who told me that he once had a woman come to him and basically admit that her husband was viciously abusing her, and she wanted to seek religious guidance since she believed that men were to be the head of the household. The pastor immediately called the cops and the husband was arrested. I wish there were more pastors who could separate from religion just for a second to do the right thing. So many of these people use it as a way to abuse their position of power. edit: As many people have said, it was a poor choice of words to say "separate from religion." This specifically referenced how people use religion as a shield to do whatever they want.
I am so glad that situation went well. It is unfortunate how we can be so into our faith that we forget that there are legal systems in place for situations like this.
It’s not seperate religion from doing the right thing, it’s separating greed and power to do the right thing. God tells you to turn the other cheek to be patient and loving, to not act back in a hateful, not to flagellate and hurt you. If someone is continually abusing you, you have to leave. (Also usually priests and pastors don’t call the cops due to the person asking not to, which I think is fair to be honest.)
i went to this church and was in the room when this all happened, the pasture had bribed the family with "church protection" as long as she hadnt said anything. i knew the victim decently well and she was the sweetest person id ever met. i know families who still continue to go here, they removed John and replaced him with his son.
Church protection? Protection from what? Y'all got the Italian mafia running around robbing people, or something? Or did he mean, like, "spiritual protection"? Are they gonna pray extra hard so none of the family gets possessed? I'm genuinely curious what exactly he was trying to bribe her with. Most people dangle money or the promise of a career, but it seems like his bribe was as BS as his "confession".
@@blaiddfumbler You could be right, I googled it myself after no response, but TBH most the congregation were psychopathic as they went and hugged the sick SOB after the heat breaking, sickening truth that came out..
Baptist pastor here. A lot of problems here. There's a passage in 1 Timothy 5 which calls for a pastor guilty of such sin to be rebuked publicly. This isn't a confession. I'm glad the woman confronted him. A shame the church didn't have more discernment. The Bible does equip us to handle these evil things.
“I told you I committed adultery.” “YOU DIDN’T TELL THEM SHE WAS 14 YEARS OLD!” “Uh, she was 16…” Yeah man that makes it MUCH more reasonable, absolutely vile human.
People need to stop forgiving people who do not regret their actions because it just encourages them. This guy doesn't regret his actions, he is not confessing. He is bragging.
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If you watch enough Chris Hansen or other pedophiles catchers. They all say that. As if it's any better. Same with lying about their age and dropping 10 years off from like 45 to 35. As if it's better. This guy is a pedo.
The nerve of this disgusting human being to call it an “affair” and “adultery” is absolutely mind boggling- Like no you creep you took advantage of a innocent 16 year old girl and I’m sad to say that I have feeling that she isn’t the only one but I hope I’m wrong.
Well, saying "I r***d a child" wouldn't have got him nearly as many hugs or near as spectacular a standing ovation. ...but yes, if he was willing to do it once and accepted everyone's undying love for him after he handcrafted the narrative to get off the hook he most certainly has done it and/or is willing to do it again. But after that you won't see many others come forward to tell their story, sadly.
In the Bible, it talks about how you forgive to be forgiven by God in turn. That letting go of the bitterness in you frees YOU, let's you move on and practice what you preach. What you desire, you also give. It never says to not lock up a POS
He was mainly hoping to avoid the details getting out that he had abused a child. He was hoping to take a smaller L and hoping to leave with his dignity and reputation mostly intact. Had she not spoken up about his bullshit, everyone would've still mostly respected that piece of sub-human refuse.
in Australia 16 years is legal age. ii dont know what you on about.. how ever if he raped her thats a different story and ofc he cheated on his family which is wrong
He was not there to confess, he was there to save face. The way he goes about "confessing" is incredibly telling to the kind of person he is. Using just the right words to gain sympathy, and leaving out the parts that could be used to destroy his reputation. Guy is the lowest of the low. He doesn't care about repentance. He only cares about how people view him. This was just his attempt at damage control. Whole situation is gross.
The only reason I could think why the crowd was cheering would be due to the pastor’s “honesty” (before realizing he didn’t say shit about what really happened). I grew up in a church setting and have come to realize that some groups appreciate when a “leader” is honest with them about things they have done. For example I had a pastor who would tell us every week the struggles he went through in life (because everyone struggles) and then he would connect it to a reading. It was nice because it showed us that he was not above us like some pastors seem to think but that he shared in our common problems in life as well. Then again he also wasn’t a horrible person and SA or groomed a 16 year old, then covered it up. So I’m not trying to defend this gross “leader” of the church, but I can see how his members of the church were thinking that he was going to be an upstanding man and admit his struggles. I would not cheer at all if my pastor had confessed to “committing adultery” in the first place, let alone finding out what really happened though. The thought of cheering for something that people see as a sin and considered morally wrong is gross. I hope this didn’t come off too preachy, as I wanted to share my thoughts on how the members possibly thought or saw the situation before revealing the truth. I’m also not defending anything this “pastor” and “man of god” did because that’s not what a true man or human being would do to another one.
I stood up in church when I was much younger and "came forward" about being sexually abused, when my abuser was in the congregation. Didn't mention him by name but it was a terrifying experience. I can't even imagine directly confronting them. The absolute strength of this woman.
And also a room of people that were cheering him seconds ago ! Thank god they saw the distress and stood up for the victim because it could have went a complete other way, and the poor woman would have to reconsider her own life because people minimized the trauma even more. But let's not talk about it I'm just glad it went the way it did !
this wasn't adultery, it was child r*pe. he should be in jail. but kicking someone out for adultery is actually going against the bible. cheating is not a reason to kick someone out of a church, the place of forgiveness and "come as you are". that makes zero sense.
@@icu3869 I'm speculating here, but maybe he has been trying to keep her quiet about it, and she reached a breaking point. I think she probably gave him an ultimatum and told him that he either confesses to everyone or she will just out him. Most would choose to do it themselves so that they can frame to not be as bad as it actually was. That's exactly what he did, and although for a brief moment he seemed to be in hot water...it basically worked...
In Italy this shit wouldn't fly, Americans are very picky about the rules they want to follow, despite screeching "god bless America" every twelve secondd
Is God not all about forgiveness? You forget that in God's eyes all sin is equal except for one. Would you forgive someone for lying? Would you kick him out for lying? If the church doesn't want him as pastor anymore that's definitely reasonable, but to kick him out of the church is not right in my opinion.
I’m thankful for my church my pastor is very humble and knows he is simply here to deliver the message not to be worshipped or looked as a person on a pedestal and never judges anyone. One of the things he said that reeled me in was that he said Church is a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints.
bro imagine how awful and helpless she felt after spilling her heart out after so long of hiding it and thinking "oh yeah theyre finally gonna get to see how awful this man is and his life is over" just for people to CLAP FOR HIM and HUG HIM and FORGIVE HIM
It was really just him demonstrating power over her, yet again, this time, in front of a public audience. The sin was never corrected, so it grew exponentially, as is sin's nature.
@@alexanderleonardi3625 Many don’t receive it sadly, but justice exists still. Just because it isn’t objectively (it’s impossible for it to be objectively perfect) perfect doesn’t mean it isn’t justice.
It was kind of smart on the part of the lady who said “you didn’t tell them she was 14 years old.” In doing that she had him admit verbally that she was 16
@@Unmarketable Not defending a pedophile and don’t know where you got animal abuse from, I would never hurt either of my chihuahuas. She was 16 at the time, the age of consent in Indiana is 16, there was no problem unless it wasn’t consensual, which we don’t know. In France it’s 14, but no one is claiming that French people are pedophiles over there.
I love how the lady who screamed at the man for doing that to a 14 year old and he so blatantly corrects her by saying she was 16, like it makes it any better.
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I could not imagine what this was like for her to do. She is so strong, brave and courageous for standing up there and speaking her story immediately after the congregation applauded for her attacker admitting his crimes against her. I could not imagine how that must have felt to hear him talk about it and receive applause. Could not imagine how that felt speaking up in front of everyone. I hope she is doing good and hope he is non-existent anymore.
I agree, she's strong for it, and the act would be hard for many people. Some people are capable of dealing with extremely stressful near death situations in some places of their life, and can still have a fear of presenting information in front of crowds. Some people don't have the ability to deal with those near death situations, but have no fear of presenting information in front of crowds. It's all too complex and interwoven. To put down one persons weakness is to insult another person they would potentially have considered strong. By that I mean, if I were to mock someone for fear of public speaking because I don't have it, I would be unintentionally mocking other people I respect who share that fear. There are so many soldiers out there who could easily physically smack me around like a fish, who incidentally happen to have that fear, just because of how life played out for them. So many people with various respectable qualities. So many in fact, that it would be statistically impossible for me not to end up throwing the insult towards one of those soldiers, if i were to call someone weak for that flaw alone. Humans are extremely complicated and multi-layered creatures, and it's a good thing we're largely past the time of reductive, simplistic points of view such as "people are all cruel". Or "people just live a soft life", right?
@@DoflamingoDonxiquote It IS hard to do. Tell me you haven't been sexually assaulted without telling me you haven't been sexually assaulted. Imagine being as bothered as you by someone coming out about being sexually abused. If anyone is soft it's you. You seem like you sympathize with an abuser, which is absolutely discusting. Like I told you before in another reply thread, seek help.
I feel so bad for this girl. Imagine coming out and telling everyone you were sexually physically abused as a child and then the people you just told this to basically dont give a single f
@@BigBrosFilms baseless & untruthful claim just to bash on the south. This was Indiana. It has nothing to do with the state, but house to house. You can meet terrible people in Texas, or great people in Cali, but then go down one house and you’ll meet great people in texas and awful people in Cali.
“Pastors are worshipped more than Jesus.” 100% agree. I went to this youth conference called Generation Unleashed when I was in high school, and I swear, every pastor there had the typical hipster look (Jean jacket, brown shoes, skinny jeans, derpy beard etc.) and they were all treated like one would treat a celebrity. It’s crazy man
stuff like that is the reason I don't go to church, or even really believe in going. You're relationship with God is your own, and you shouldn't need to gather like that, especially when there are so many false believers that are head pastors or priests. I also notice that a lot of people at church are super judgemental, and like to call out others on bullshit to make you feel like shit, and make themselves seem "holier than thou"
@@hinglemccringleberry9389 that depends mostly on the reason they go to church, an interesting study found that those who went to church for materialistic reasons such as relationships, food, connections were found to be the most racist or outwardly judgmental while those who solely wanted to improve their relationship with God and pray were actually some of the least racist people in the population or something like that
A larger picture is forming, why I started digging your content, your staying power. And my recent heavy dive into this Stream/Twitch/online culture you all grew up in. Profane language aside, there's an unwavering ethical thing Moist adheres to. Regardless of the age of any video.
@@graclee8873no matter how many years it’s been moist stays ethically and morally consistent. he’s always a good person who sticks to the same ideas and beliefs, which is why his platform has stayed strong for so many years. he’s got the same goodness and morals whether the video is a day old or 272661 days old.
TO BE FAIR, the word "adultery" in the Bible covers many things. Even premarital sex is considered adultery. So, if you wanna be technical about it, assaulting a woman is adultery, by biblical definition. However, he deliberately uses very broad vocabulary in order for people to not understand the true gravity of his sins.
@@THE-WAY_THE-TRUTH_THE-LIFE. yeah, technically, but it wasn’t JUST adultery. that implies that he just cheated on his wife with another woman, not that he molested an underage girl?? fucking obviously are you okay
Well I mean they are in a church. They doing what the bible teaches. She should take legal action if she wants him to be properly brought to justice. They have a confession and everything on tape. But I do agree forgiving that so quickly is crazy especially because it was done in his church office and 20 years of hypocrisy later after he can take a pension he reveals all smh. They are better belivers than I am.
I’m so happy to see Charlie point out these things that are wrong about churches, it tends to be people who used to be in the church/faith, like myself
“for years i thought i was a horrible person having suicidal thoughts…” not only was she put through the physical abuse of molestation, she was put through the emotional abuse and trauma of her religion demonizing her mental health struggles that were caused by her PASTOR. disgusting. i hope he gets what he deserves, and i hope she gets a chance to begin a healing process.
@@supremesalsa3257 okay, I think I got it. So your saying that yes it happens but it's not all Christians. Which is a given? I mean yeah, it not all Christians but it's a noticeable amout of christens that do this kind of thing. And it is important to address and talk about.
They are literally enabling this behaviour. This is gross, those people are gross, and I hope the victim and her family is okay and are able to get away from that environment.
these idiots aren't real Christians, ppl that actually follow the bibles example know that committing adultery is practically almost an unforgivable sin and would have disfellowshipped him from the congregation ceasing all communication with him until he's faced the consequences of his actions according to the law of the land (the court system) don't let these goofballs fool you
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@@MrUssy101 this isn't a professional edited video that is he is watching and speaking of. It's not like it's content made by another RUclipsr, it's just a video someone filmed. If anything, I'm sure more people will go watch the OG video after watching this. I don't understand what you're upset about.
"What I've never understood is why pastors, themselves, are treated like gods." This. This is one of the biggest reasons I stopped going to Church. Senior members and leaders of the Church are treated like gods who can do no wrong, while everyone else is judged and belittled for every, tiny little move. The hypocrisy in Church is rampant and ridiculous.
@Obama _man9 Nope. Grew up in a tiny town going to a church with a population of less than 100, had the same problems. People talk about these issues mainly in reference to megachurches, but I've seen and heard about these problems at churches of all sizes and denominations.
Church has a strange parasitic community. The good news is that for the most part its like twitter, they only have power over you if you're in the community...until it comes into politics.
“I got baptized twice just cause I was afraid God might have missed the first one” Is the actual funniest sentence to come out of this man’s mouth for me. I was not expecting that at all.
To trust in God so much and believe he's this out right almighty being that can do anything but then say some shit like that. Like oh, so God does mess up then I guess? Not shitting on anyone's belief. Just pointing out irony. It's funny.
@@mepd3350No, we are made perfect but our actions are imperfect, that is the gift of free will and it is in our nature to do evil with our will, God does not want us to sin but it is His gift he gave so gracefully.
As a real Christian, just because God forgives you of a sin (no matter how bad), that doesn’t mean you get to escape the consequences of your actions. This man should be in prison.
they should have crowded around the victim and prayed over her... why does the abuser always get the loving forgiveness and the victim never gets the love for there pain in situations like this?
As a rape victim, this whole thing is just totally unfair. It's not the church's place to forgive him. That power belongs to the victim. I don't understand how they could possibly go up to hug the guy after finding out what he did.
@@juliadesoto7374 everything I just said is from the New Testament. and that’s crazy you mention “mental health” could you actually imagine everything I seen and went through that made me believe in god was all fake? that’s an interesting thought. I’ve seen some dark things in the night, I’ve seen paranormal activity worse then the movies in real life. I call upon Jesus for help and watched these things coward in fear. i never stop believing in him sense
Believe it or not. As a Rape Victim myself. I make the choices of Repentance AND Forgiveness myself. It doesn't matter what you think is "unfair" or not. She is brave for confronting him, For once she has said her piece, she has already won. We hold our ground and nothing else.
what a slap in the face to the victim to have dozens of people go up and embrace your offender after you explained what happened in an extremely vulnerable way. i'm disgusted.
THIS!!! I can’t believe no one and Charlie haven’t mentioned that part specifically. That is seriously just a WHOLE new layer of trauma dumped on top of what was already there
@@salvie777 really? I’ve never expect people to come and comfort me as a victim. They’re leaving their lives, they’re being deceived by others, I mean it’s tough to hear him praised, but jeez
I feel bad for the victim because imagine saying what happened to you then seeing people go up to be all forgiving and pitying the man who hurt her and abused her in so many ways
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Lifelong Christian here. I agree with Charlie, pastors are lifted up WAY too high. And this guy needs to answer for his crimes. This congregation had likely been taught false teachings by this pastor to make himself look better than he is. Absolutely disgusting, using Christianity to try to justify his actions and get away from them.
@@hoffer_moment Yeah, so many people can get disconnected from what’s important, and they just focus on what the pastor says. Open your Bible and come to your own conclusions for once!
This type of “forgiveness” mindset is so sick. I’ve had a close family member who was abused as a teen, and that man still was forgiven and accepted in church. A crime is a crime. And if it happens again, and it almost always does, it’s too late for it to get the punishment it deserves.
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that is how religion works. pray for forgiveness, forget, rinse and keep doing you sickly deeds. Nobody cares what terrible crimes you commit if you're part of religion. even my grandpa, completely catholic. is a terrible sick, abusive man. but he's religious so it is alright to those around. gross isn't it, well I suppose that's how the world works nowadays.
As a rape victim myself I say fucking fair play to that woman for smacking down the truth to the public about what he did to her. Well done mate. I'm glad it's over and you're free from him. Lets hope he stays in jail for what he did.
Ik rape is terrible I amagine the terror I'm sorry that other males are doing this it's disgusting but I don't know what rape is anymore ppl say it's being called a slut or being fun of ect
the person who shouted "you didnt say she was 14" did that intentionally so the pastor could admit that the person he molested was 16 (by correcting that person in front of the crowd)
Something similar happened to my mum recently when she joined one of those cant-sing-choirs. It was about historical abuse and she couldn’t stand being anywhere near the people after the leader got sentenced, because they all knew what he’d done, but they just kept gushing over him; keeping him on a pedestal. It’s just so sick.
its sad that there's actual people like this out in this world and they think they can be forgiven, that woman's life is ruined with that memory in her mind for the rest of her life.
As a Christian myself, I can’t wrap my head around the fact that not only does this pastor admit to committing a horrible crime and he doesn’t seem guilty about it at all, but the fact that the people in pews applaud him and give him hugs. If the priest at MY church did that, it would completely change the way I view him for the worst.
Totally agree. I was expecting a tearful apology at the very least, but it definitely came off as him doing his best to downplay it. Based the first part of his story I do understand the congregation forgiving him. From their perspective he made a big mistake one time 20 years ago. Biblically there is a separation between forgiving a sin and lack of consequences. He can be forgiven by God/Man, yet still deserve prison. In the same way, his congregation can forgive him, while still not wanting anything to do with him ever again.
Man deserves a restraining order, imprisonment, firing, put on a register for predatory and sex offense conducts, fired again and exiled from the church, as frankly if he is capable of committing harm on people on its premises, he should not be allow near said premises This is only the professional response to such a crime and confession, victims, survivors and witnesses will probably do other unprofessional shit, but the professional and legal response is the bare minimum The monster doesn't deserve rest, enough said
at my brothers church recently the pastor either got caught or came out to the church that he had an affair in the past year or so and he was called to step down and leave the church not applauded and told how good he was for coming clean.
@@saulstein9560 my previous pastor was confronted for having 17+ affairs. He was then brought up in front of the church had to admit to what he did an was then also asked to step down from the position.
I am a Christian and I would gladly drop what I am doing and help this kind of person meet God... whether they're ready or not. The fact that no one felt the need to break this guy's knees is troubling. I don't ever want to look at someone like this and be able to instantly forgive them because they read the bible to me once a week.
And of course, children cannot legally consent. But a pharisee has to twist the words of the law he bases his position on, in order to hide behind its moral implications in order to avoid immediately facing them.
Exactly… this isn’t adultery or cheating because it wasn’t a romantic or sexual endeavor. It was assault. Child molestation by a higher up that poor girl trusted. How awful
I was a minor abused in the church. This makes me fucking sick. It makes me so happy this girl got her time to speak. So many of us never have. The fact that the even just a few in the crowd didn’t turn on her like the congregation at my church did gives me so much hope for humanity and embracing and praying for this man was completely unacceptable, deranged and disgusting especially in front of his victim. Thank you for showing this. It shows the reality of many many abuse survivors of the church.
Pastor: I am simply a humble sinner Woman: actually she's so brave revealing so many details about a horrific crime to a congregation that just cheered for the guy
This should honestly be shown to people who may have experienced something but haven't come forward about it, seeing the narrative change so quickly when her side came out is somewhat encouraging.
7:25 this woman in the crowd is actually so smart for overstating the age difference as to make the pastor confess to the actual age of the girl..whether she meant to or not she got the confession out of him that "no, ackschully she was 16" not only does this open up the fact that she was underage it also tells that the pastor was very well aware that he was sexually involved with a minor.
@@Mr12Relic I hate that so much, people will hold onto State ages of consent as if the federal age of consent isn't 18 for a very good reason, and as if that somehow makes it any less creepy. A 16 year old in California is still the same age in Indiana, still a minor no matter what some sleazy laws say.
@@PistenDeer It's not. The vast majority of countries and US states choose 14, 15 or 16. The US federal government didn't magically get the right age over everyone else, nor did california. Your cultural norms are YOUR cultural norms. What's sleazy is that this relatively old man manipulated and abused this young girl from a position of power into having sex with him. Just because the age of consent is 16 doesn't mean "relationships" like this shouldn't be heavily scrutinised, Age of Consent doesn't actually matter that much in itself because even when it's lower you don't get a big rush of teenagers wanting to have sex with middle aged men and women. I think quite clearly age of consent or not, there wasn't consent here. As the replier states, the guy wants to make sure it's 16 because 16 is not underage where he's at and he won't face statutory charges. This would force her to prove rape rather than just sex (the latter of which he's admitted to).
@@Person01234 A lot of countries with age of consent below 18 specify that if someone under 18 has sex with someone that's over 18 it could still be classified as a crime even if the underage person consented.
@@Mr12Relic statutory works anyway, age of consent (if it's under 18) usually means with *other people who are under 18*. 16 yr old with a 30yr old is still (statutory) rape
"I committed adultery" Crowd: WOOOO YEAHH BABY "She was 16" Crowd: WOOO.. wait a minute that is a federal crime "But im sorry" Crowd: WOOO YEAH BABY HE APOLGIZED FOR HIS SINS THATS WHAT WE BEEN WAITING FOR THATS WHAT CHRISTIANITY IS ALL ABOUT!"
what the comment section fails to understand is they probably didn’t react because 16 is the age of consent in their state so her saying that does not describe a crime, her saying he raped her does, but 16 by itself does not make it a crime
@@saherking2707 Many states have Romeo and Juliet laws that still make it illegal for an adult with a certain age gap to have sexual contact with a minor of a certain age. In my state, that’s also the age of consent, BUT if there’s an age gap of more than four years then it’s statutory rape. And regardless of the law, it’s still disgusting that he took advantage of a child from a position of power, and he should be entirely condemned. He should have been run out if that damned church.
She would have to file charges or testify in court at the very least and most victims like to distance themselves as far away from the incident as possible
@@noahgillihan7251 it seems she's brave enough to tell an entire congregation about it, and confront him. She doesn't seem like the one to not press charges or do something. Also, if you openly admit in public, and on video, to a serious crime can nothing really be done? The guy admits to child rape but it just doesn't matter because she didn't press charges? That's fucked up. People would just target those they know wouldn't press charges and take advantage of them.
@@Metallic484 if you do not testify in court you cannot really press charges. For example, a cop can have a video recording of you speeding, but if he doesn't go to court that day, you will not get charged with speeding.
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this man should be in jail. imagine being the victim and telling your story and there goes the whole crowd hugging your fucking abuser that's a fucking slap on the face.
sadly abusers and rapists often get off very easy
I mean then call the cops
@@Jankz23 pretty sure shes taking him to court
@@postbloom9767 doubt it
@@Jankz23 he was given the death penalty
The "You didn't tell us she was 14" was actually genius. It forced him to actually say the number 16 out loud, lest he looked even worse.
@@puregameplay7916 which is SO disgusting. We need reform.
@@puregameplay7916 That is correct, but the law aside, many consider it unethical if the age gap is so large. It would at the very least be considered very weird and creepy, especially from a pastor. I would also make the argument that he was an authority figure to the girl, which would make it illegal.
@@puregameplay7916 which is fucking lunacy
@@daniellelopez3342 He literally lied.
@@puregameplay7916 we found him guys....we found the pedo, regardless of whether or not she was of legal age she was not consenting...plus 16 is literally still a child, even if it is legal, trying to defend that shit is kinda telling
"You didn't tell them she was 14 years old!"
"No, she was 16."
The woman recording is legitimately a genius for that, got that perfect confession.
Dude pulled an “achually”
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@@SnootDog 7:28
the guy is a POS but he could have said "she was not 14" and left it there
i just scrolled down to say that! i choose to believe she weaponized the concept outlined in a screenshot i saw once: the best way to get accurate information is to say something incorrect and wait for people to correct you
Him saying “I committed adultery” is like saying “Officer I was only 5ks over the speed limit” when you rear ended a family of 4
And the family is scarred for life.
The victim is the only one who is allowed to “forgive him”, not this fucking crowd that had nothing to do with it.
i imagine forgiving him would just lead to him doing it to her again
Only God can and I assume word got out that's why he confessed to it
When the leader falls, it affects all the followers. Leaders are meant to follow a high standard to set an example to the followers on how to live. Thus, when he failed that high standard, it does affect everyone else.
Facts
I get where you're coming from but that's not how it works in this case
Imagine being sexually assaulted as a teenager multiple times by a pastor and then watch him admit it and be forgiven because he is a pastor
and then watching ppl go hug him and comfort him while ur sitting there crying after telling everyone how he raped you. that is some sicko shit.
@Savetion Xi 😈 you do realize that nobody loves you, right
I am the God of earthworm's and homeless people.
was it sexual assault?
This your brain on ideologies.
As a Christian, you couldn't be any more spot on about the "worshipping pastors more than Jesus" part. It's kinda sad.
I can’t deal with it!
i hurts to see people infect our churches
It's even worse in some countries here in Africa. The false pastor uses the ToUch nOT My anOiNtED oNe, Do mY pRopHeTS nO HarM bible verse to intimidate anyone that tries to question them. It sucks. There's the honor that, biblically speaking, pastors should be given. But then there's this. Complete manipulation
Im guessing the worshipping is due to the trust they put on the pastors.
It's the pastors, it's the ones that want to go up and testify the most. I was called to Christ about twenty years ago, but I also started working at the county jail. The number of church folk I saw come in and out of there was horrible, the things they were doing showed that they were not following what they preached. I believe now that was a test of my conviction and I failed. I denied myself a relationship with God because of what I saw others doing, the same ones that prayed with me and laid their hands on my head. I feel that calling again and pray that my character is strong enough this time, whatever test may come.
“She was 14!” “No she was 16” THAT DOESNT CHANGE ANYTHING
Kind of does. It’s a big age gap for a child. Objectively.
it doesn't change what he did
@@DoflamingoDonxiquote still horrible as heck
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14 to 18 is a gap 14 and 16 is not 16 and 20 is gap stop trying to mitigate being a pedo bro by your profile pic you look like someone attracted to highschoolers
"SHE WAS FOURTEEN"
"No, she was sixteen"
- yeah, you showed her, bud.
Yeah that's like saying I burned down the bush, not the house
Just because I did something less messed up, doesn't excuse the bad thing
"no, no, no. I didn't kill 4 people, it was 3. So you have to let me go"
He said that like it was going to make something better.
@@super_seaton9016 You've done your research, I wonder why..
It doesn't make it right that Indiania lawmakers are a bunch of Pedophiles so they made it so a 40yr old man can rape a 16yr old girl
Can't do porn or drink a beer but you can apparently can have "sex" with a pastor more than twice your age, someone abusing their position of power
there is a somewhat a big difference tbh.....in some states and countries 16 is legal but 14 wouldnt be.
Imagine calling child rape "adultery" just to minimize it to only later be called out by that very brave victim the next minute. wow.
Far Cry 5 in a nutshell
Im suprised that nobody stood up while he talked and called him a fkn childf*cker.
@@hyperv1016 ?
@@srgetem Yes?
Like, what do you mean what? I literally just said Fc5. Are you illiterate?
@@srgetem poopoo
If the victim doesnt forgive him then no one should.
not even the Lord would forgive him, Matthew 18:6 😂
I mean... No? even if the victim did we'd still be shitting on him. Like farming is crazy
@@kyoudaim603Matthew 6:15
@@kyoudaim603 23 So if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar and go. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. (this is also in mathew I believe)
@@shelby5809lol exactly
Name a more iconic duo than pastors and sex scandals
corn on the cob
@@shelby5809 true
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@@SwaggyDawggy WHAT
@@SwaggyDawggyI’d be better than that
That woman is so insanely brave. Not only to speak out in front of her abuser but in front of all of his supporters.
She's got him on video now to take him to court too.
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@@devenmaldonado8362 Dude is actually out here trying fan flames, don't mind his dumbass.
@@renegadepyro726 ikr and the bait comments. wild
@Savetion Xi 😈 thats so fucking disgusting to say. ik ur whole personality is being a troll, but thats low bruh
You're missing the huge part.... he didn't go there to confess.... SHE WENT THERE TO EXPOSE HIM, and he must of seen her in the crowd so he decided to reveal his interpretation of what happened before she could out him. if she didnt have the courage to go, this would have never happened. Brave girl.
Yup he wasn't confessing he was doing damage control
Make me remember to Ellie of The Last Of Us
Oh my God. You’re fucking right. His tone of voice was not repentant, it was declaratory. It was like saying what he ate from breakfast. He didn’t care. You’re so fucking right. Underrated comment.
He kept defending himself and correcting the people in the audience. If he really was sorry he wouldn’t have been able to stand on that stage or look the members of the crowd in the eyes. He probably would have resigned weeks prior if he actually had been convicted of his crime. But no. He didn’t care. He was anxious he’d be ratted out like you said. This makes me so sick to my stomach, having grown up in church this kind of thing could have happened and I wouldn’t have known what to have done as a kid. This makes me so sick how twisted they use the scripture. It makes me sick to my stomach to see how they disregard justice just to save face and appear godly. Using “forgiveness” as a means to sweep it under the rug and dismiss the whole thing of responsibly for his crimes.
100% fucking pure evil. God has a special place in hell for this guy. That’s biblically endorsed too. Just read Matthew 23. Jesus literally would be disgusted and condemn these kinds of people. Half of Jesus’ ministry was **against** the so called “Pastors” of his day and age, the Pharisees and Sadducees. He literally warns people to “do what they teach you but not what they do” because he wanted to make a distinction between actually following the law and acting unjustly and lawlessly as the hypocritical teachers would do.
If Jesus was around today I bet he would fucking disown Christianity. 100%
These fucking hypocrites defend their faith more then they do their fellow man. Disgusting what people will do when you dangle eternal life on a string in front of them.
Okay, that explains A LOT to me. I will take down my comment of "why was this lady, AND her husband still going to the same church, with the SAME preacher who repeatedly raped her as a child?" Thanks for the clarification.
@@JCTBomb I didn’t read all of this but understanding the gist, It truly is horrible that stuff like this happens, we can’t let it get to us to much though. God deals with it all in the end of it and he’ll get his due-diligence in the end.
Imagine how heartbreaking it must have been for that poor woman to see people from her congregation HUG the predator who sexually abused her, minutes after she mustered the courage to talk publicly about it. And then people wonder why victims don’t speak up smh
as someone who is a christian, this is so messed up. this is actually disgusting.
As a Christian as well, I 100% back up your opinion.. this is gross
as a Christian i also agree this man needs prison time
Everything from the abuse to how they handle it is so sad and outrageous
fun fact: according to biblical law, if a pastor commits adultery he is no longer allowed to be a pastor
Yup. My grandpa was an elder at his church and was kicked out for leaving his wife for an old flame. Married his old flame. Southern Baptist btw.
cant believe they made them have no bitches 😭 thats amazing
That's catholic, or some other church that functions like catholics. In most churches, if you committed adultery but repented, you can still be a pastor. As long as it doesn't effect the church in a negative way.
However churches like the Catholic Church, have all these rules and regulations that are more about business than worship. A recent priest has been saying lines wrong when baptising. So all these people think they aren't saved anymore because of a simple mistake. Dumb
A lot of people think of Catholics when they hear christain. But really most christain churches in the US don't like Catholics. Not the people, just their beliefs. They have idols that step between them and God. A lot of abuse happens in the catholic church too. Bad rep for christains
@@lalotime Catholic priests can't even marry so how would they divorce
@@lalotime The Catholic Church, being the oldest institution in the world, with over a billion members across the globe, necessarily has an extensive Code of Canon Law that, ideally, guarantees a degree of oversight and provides channels for conducting business and addressing abuses.
However, the form of the Sacrament of Baptism is not a matter of canon law; it is a matter of sacramental theology. So you are wrong to connect the baptismal formula with "rules and regulations that are more about business than worship." On the contrary, the sacrament itself depends in part upon the proper words being said, which principle may be seen in embryo in the New Testament; the baptismal font is not the place for personal ingenuity. The priest in question did not make a "simple mistake"; regardless of his intentions he was either extremely careless or willfully disrespectful of the Church's instructions.
Finally, to say that the invalidly baptized are not "save[d]" is to misunderstand the Catholic doctrines concerning salvation, which see a more or less gradual human progress toward beatitude, in cooperation with the divine grace normatively received at Baptism.
In other words, if you're going to call something "dumb," I suggest understanding it first.
Forgiveness wasn’t theirs to give.
Exactly. It's kind of like what they do in confession. "God I have sinned, I hurt someone, can YOU forgive me?" Like?.? That's extremely toxic. They're asking god to forgive them when they should do that to who they actually hurt.
@@nottzoyou’re sinning against God and His child. When He did this He hurt GODS child, One whom He loves so very much. And He obviously cares for her soul so in that the pastor has also sinned against God. By hurting His child, and it pains God for His child to hurt.
@@iggy9226let’s pretend I agree, bare minimum he should be seeking forgiveness from both
@@iggy9226 nnnah. the person who was directly involved should be apologized to. i wouldn’t forgive anyone if they hurt me and decided to apologize to their god instead of me.
Its selfish
@@nottzo i agree, its like just saying some magic word and thinking you will be able to move on in life scott-free. Deep down people like that probably dont even belive in god, they just use him to get rid of their own sense of guilt so they can therefore do whatever they want.
He calls it "adultery" but she wasnt even an adult 💀
Imagine telling your SA story in front of your abuser and his followers only for them to hug him later. That isn’t just a slap in the face, that is a hard kick in the crotch with a stab in the back, yet that still doesn’t amount to the pain that poor girl felt
literally tho :c
Fr real man my blood was boiling. Like how dare they?
And this pain on top of it. Damn
Fr, it's fucking disgusting
A priest could probably walk into his follower's houses, grab their baby in front of them and leave and no one would stop them. Probably also applies to their money.
Imagine being a dad with a daughter who goes to this church. Then imagine how little self respect you must have to give him a hug after
His son, Jeremiah Lowe also is a child rapist. He raped Jessi Kline when she was 13 and he was supposed to babysit her, her family also were members of John Lowe's fucked up church.
It's not a matter of self respect. They are likely just stupid and brainwashed
Dude, yes
So true. I'd be disgusted and honestly feel unsafe in my own house. How could anyone hug a person after you find out he did such a horrible thing?!?
The good thing is if you watch the whole thing a lot of people left
You ever notice it's always the "really religious" people who find out about crimes against children in their communities/families who are so quick to just forgive and sweep it under the rug? Every man in my family had done something to me and what happened? "They apologized, get over it. They could've killed you, aren't you glad you're still alive?"
Yeah, you should be glad youre still alive to mention it in a yt comment section. Those types of scenarios dont tend to have the best outcome as far as, yknow, the victim living.
@@royalgelly8948 true
@@royalgelly8948 however, the damage they did
To hear "you should be glad you're still alive" while I'm living crippled in fear and unable to leave me house
@@Bapphie there are ways to get help. contact authorities, hotlines, or find online support groups.
@@royalgelly8948 I'm currently doing therapy every other week, on anti psych meds
I'm just saying, the victims who didn't make it-heart goes out to them and their families
But telling a victim "you should be glad you're alive" when every day is an actual struggle kinda got to me and I apologize. You're awesome for telling someone to do those things though. Not too many people even fake caring anymore. Just know, for most, this shit never goes away.
hell is too kind for people like this pastor
Cry
Yet atheists go there automatically 🫤. Such a sadistic religion.
@@CSWdenji69you a pedo too?
@@CSWdenji69you’re not good at baiting
@@CSWdenji69Here three months later just to laugh at your bait attempt
The fact that he has the ego to stand in front of the crowd, say “Ya I molested a minor, but now you’re going to forgive me because I’m undergoing the biblical recovery process” is somehow so suprising and yet almost expected
Wasn't at all surprising tbh
Bruh why he is using the Bible to justify his extremely unholy actions
I'm pretty sure the Bible says to stone adulterers. Anyone good at pitching?
Knowing religious bigots this isn't surprising at all.
@@greenlightxbpg that's what Christians do
I once had a pastor who told me that he once had a woman come to him and basically admit that her husband was viciously abusing her, and she wanted to seek religious guidance since she believed that men were to be the head of the household. The pastor immediately called the cops and the husband was arrested. I wish there were more pastors who could separate from religion just for a second to do the right thing. So many of these people use it as a way to abuse their position of power.
edit: As many people have said, it was a poor choice of words to say "separate from religion." This specifically referenced how people use religion as a shield to do whatever they want.
I am so glad that situation went well. It is unfortunate how we can be so into our faith that we forget that there are legal systems in place for situations like this.
Good on that pastor for doing that because that’s what any rational human being should do
It’s not seperate religion from doing the right thing, it’s separating greed and power to do the right thing. God tells you to turn the other cheek to be patient and loving, to not act back in a hateful, not to flagellate and hurt you. If someone is continually abusing you, you have to leave. (Also usually priests and pastors don’t call the cops due to the person asking not to, which I think is fair to be honest.)
I agree with your point, but doing the right thing is not inherently separating it from religion at all.
My pastor is liked that he is a very respectable and inspiring man.
i went to this church and was in the room when this all happened, the pasture had bribed the family with "church protection" as long as she hadnt said anything. i knew the victim decently well and she was the sweetest person id ever met. i know families who still continue to go here, they removed John and replaced him with his son.
Fellow Indiana resident here.. born and raised in a Christian church.. this place looks familiar, where is it located?..
Church protection? Protection from what? Y'all got the Italian mafia running around robbing people, or something? Or did he mean, like, "spiritual protection"? Are they gonna pray extra hard so none of the family gets possessed? I'm genuinely curious what exactly he was trying to bribe her with. Most people dangle money or the promise of a career, but it seems like his bribe was as BS as his "confession".
Once this guy's known to the whole world, he's gonna have so much fucking rednecks coming after his ass.
@@Clutch_Kick187They won't tell you because they're lying about going to the church lol
@@blaiddfumbler You could be right, I googled it myself after no response, but TBH most the congregation were psychopathic as they went and hugged the sick SOB after the heat breaking, sickening truth that came out..
Baptist pastor here. A lot of problems here. There's a passage in 1 Timothy 5 which calls for a pastor guilty of such sin to be rebuked publicly. This isn't a confession. I'm glad the woman confronted him. A shame the church didn't have more discernment. The Bible does equip us to handle these evil things.
A rebuke would be more like publicly punished or condemned or called out, not bragging like this guy is doing. He’s doing nothing but stroking his ego
“I told you I committed adultery.”
“YOU DIDN’T TELL THEM SHE WAS 14 YEARS OLD!”
“Uh, she was 16…”
Yeah man that makes it MUCH more reasonable, absolutely vile human.
@@puregameplay7916 and?
@@puregameplay7916 but not in this country
@Pure Gameplay I mean lots of horrible things are legal in lots of places, doesn't make it ok.
@@puregameplay7916 Romeo and Juliet law applies to most states.
@@ninevehgrey I mean i mean i mean.. I mean.. I guess.
People need to stop forgiving people who do not regret their actions because it just encourages them. This guy doesn't regret his actions, he is not confessing. He is bragging.
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her voice & message was so strong. i hope she continues to heal
I don’t
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Camera lady: She was 14
Pastor: no no she was 16
As if that was any better
“Aktwally it was 16”
Woman: You didn't tell us she was 14!
Pastor: Um, no no no no, she was 16.
Was he expecting: "Oh understandable. have a nice day."
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@ahhh the girl was with him for 9 years. That's 16 to 25. She isn't a victim lol
If you watch enough Chris Hansen or other pedophiles catchers. They all say that. As if it's any better. Same with lying about their age and dropping 10 years off from like 45 to 35. As if it's better. This guy is a pedo.
@ahhh you have 3 videos
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The nerve of this disgusting human being to call it an “affair” and “adultery” is absolutely mind boggling-
Like no you creep you took advantage of a innocent 16 year old girl and I’m sad to say that I have feeling that she isn’t the only one but I hope I’m wrong.
Well, saying "I r***d a child" wouldn't have got him nearly as many hugs or near as spectacular a standing ovation.
...but yes, if he was willing to do it once and accepted everyone's undying love for him after he handcrafted the narrative to get off the hook he most certainly has done it and/or is willing to do it again. But after that you won't see many others come forward to tell their story, sadly.
Literally the least holy thing I can imagine. If there is a god, dude will burn.
In the Bible, it talks about how you forgive to be forgiven by God in turn. That letting go of the bitterness in you frees YOU, let's you move on and practice what you preach. What you desire, you also give.
It never says to not lock up a POS
He was mainly hoping to avoid the details getting out that he had abused a child. He was hoping to take a smaller L and hoping to leave with his dignity and reputation mostly intact. Had she not spoken up about his bullshit, everyone would've still mostly respected that piece of sub-human refuse.
in Australia 16 years is legal age. ii dont know what you on about.. how ever if he raped her thats a different story and ofc he cheated on his family which is wrong
He was not there to confess, he was there to save face. The way he goes about "confessing" is incredibly telling to the kind of person he is. Using just the right words to gain sympathy, and leaving out the parts that could be used to destroy his reputation. Guy is the lowest of the low. He doesn't care about repentance. He only cares about how people view him. This was just his attempt at damage control. Whole situation is gross.
The only reason I could think why the crowd was cheering would be due to the pastor’s “honesty” (before realizing he didn’t say shit about what really happened). I grew up in a church setting and have come to realize that some groups appreciate when a “leader” is honest with them about things they have done.
For example I had a pastor who would tell us every week the struggles he went through in life (because everyone struggles) and then he would connect it to a reading. It was nice because it showed us that he was not above us like some pastors seem to think but that he shared in our common problems in life as well.
Then again he also wasn’t a horrible person and SA or groomed a 16 year old, then covered it up. So I’m not trying to defend this gross “leader” of the church, but I can see how his members of the church were thinking that he was going to be an upstanding man and admit his struggles.
I would not cheer at all if my pastor had confessed to “committing adultery” in the first place, let alone finding out what really happened though. The thought of cheering for something that people see as a sin and considered morally wrong is gross.
I hope this didn’t come off too preachy, as I wanted to share my thoughts on how the members possibly thought or saw the situation before revealing the truth. I’m also not defending anything this “pastor” and “man of god” did because that’s not what a true man or human being would do to another one.
The woman's testimony made me tear up. That was so painful to listen to.
I stood up in church when I was much younger and "came forward" about being sexually abused, when my abuser was in the congregation. Didn't mention him by name but it was a terrifying experience. I can't even imagine directly confronting them. The absolute strength of this woman.
And also a room of people that were cheering him seconds ago ! Thank god they saw the distress and stood up for the victim because it could have went a complete other way, and the poor woman would have to reconsider her own life because people minimized the trauma even more.
But let's not talk about it I'm just glad it went the way it did !
Stupid go to the cops and name drop him. But you didn't that a you issue now.
Sorry that happened to you flaming corgis
Man up
@@freezy2755 😂😂😂
My church's Pastor commited adultery, and he was kicked out of the church. Seeing them give him a standing ovation for this is uncomfortable.
this wasn't adultery, it was child r*pe. he should be in jail.
but kicking someone out for adultery is actually going against the bible. cheating is not a reason to kick someone out of a church, the place of forgiveness and "come as you are". that makes zero sense.
What on earth prompted this? The victim said , “ I’m a prisoner no more”. I’m interested in the catalyst or motivation here. ?
@@icu3869 I'm speculating here, but maybe he has been trying to keep her quiet about it, and she reached a breaking point. I think she probably gave him an ultimatum and told him that he either confesses to everyone or she will just out him. Most would choose to do it themselves so that they can frame to not be as bad as it actually was. That's exactly what he did, and although for a brief moment he seemed to be in hot water...it basically worked...
In Italy this shit wouldn't fly, Americans are very picky about the rules they want to follow, despite screeching "god bless America" every twelve secondd
Is God not all about forgiveness? You forget that in God's eyes all sin is equal except for one. Would you forgive someone for lying? Would you kick him out for lying? If the church doesn't want him as pastor anymore that's definitely reasonable, but to kick him out of the church is not right in my opinion.
The anger she must of felt when they clapped
I’m thankful for my church my pastor is very humble and knows he is simply here to deliver the message not to be worshipped or looked as a person on a pedestal and never judges anyone. One of the things he said that reeled me in was that he said Church is a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints.
“Pastors are worshipped more than Jesus Christ”
This man is speaking the true-true.
As a Christian, this a very sad and accurate assessment of many modern churches.
@@feanor7080 As a non christian idk what happens in churches except the stereotypes
@@jarofsake2356 that honesty is refreshing
@@followeroftheway6930 Thanks
Well of course, he's jesus himself, of course he'd know.
bro imagine how awful and helpless she felt after spilling her heart out after so long of hiding it and thinking "oh yeah theyre finally gonna get to see how awful this man is and his life is over" just for people to CLAP FOR HIM and HUG HIM and FORGIVE HIM
It was really just him demonstrating power over her, yet again, this time, in front of a public audience. The sin was never corrected, so it grew exponentially, as is sin's nature.
@@Poodle_Gun I want to believe, in the end, he’ll get his comeuppance. Maybe someday.
@@coreythepeanut no one ever does. that would be justice, and justice doesnt exist
@@alexanderleonardi3625 Many don’t receive it sadly, but justice exists still. Just because it isn’t objectively (it’s impossible for it to be objectively perfect) perfect doesn’t mean it isn’t justice.
@@callidusvulpes5556 if it isnt perfect, it isnt justice
He's not repentant. He should be on his knees begging his victim for forgiveness
So much respect and compassion for this victim.
It was kind of smart on the part of the lady who said “you didn’t tell them she was 14 years old.” In doing that she had him admit verbally that she was 16
But the age of consent is 16 in Indiana.
Well it doesn’t really sound like this lady consented
@@noodlyboi101 oh so it's ok to abuse your power then 🤡
@@noodlyboi101 Your litany of comments defending pedophiles and animal abusers is telling
@@Unmarketable Not defending a pedophile and don’t know where you got animal abuse from, I would never hurt either of my chihuahuas. She was 16 at the time, the age of consent in Indiana is 16, there was no problem unless it wasn’t consensual, which we don’t know. In France it’s 14, but no one is claiming that French people are pedophiles over there.
I love how the lady who screamed at the man for doing that to a 14 year old and he so blatantly corrects her by saying she was 16, like it makes it any better.
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she was so brave in telling her story, just imagine how terrible that girl would feel if she saw them all hugging him
I could not imagine what this was like for her to do. She is so strong, brave and courageous for standing up there and speaking her story immediately after the congregation applauded for her attacker admitting his crimes against her. I could not imagine how that must have felt to hear him talk about it and receive applause. Could not imagine how that felt speaking up in front of everyone. I hope she is doing good and hope he is non-existent anymore.
It’s not hard to do. Y’all just live a soft life.
I agree, she's strong for it, and the act would be hard for many people.
Some people are capable of dealing with extremely stressful near death situations in some places of their life, and can still have a fear of presenting information in front of crowds. Some people don't have the ability to deal with those near death situations, but have no fear of presenting information in front of crowds.
It's all too complex and interwoven. To put down one persons weakness is to insult another person they would potentially have considered strong. By that I mean, if I were to mock someone for fear of public speaking because I don't have it, I would be unintentionally mocking other people I respect who share that fear. There are so many soldiers out there who could easily physically smack me around like a fish, who incidentally happen to have that fear, just because of how life played out for them. So many people with various respectable qualities. So many in fact, that it would be statistically impossible for me not to end up throwing the insult towards one of those soldiers, if i were to call someone weak for that flaw alone.
Humans are extremely complicated and multi-layered creatures, and it's a good thing we're largely past the time of reductive, simplistic points of view such as "people are all cruel". Or "people just live a soft life", right?
@@DoflamingoDonxiquote It IS hard to do. Tell me you haven't been sexually assaulted without telling me you haven't been sexually assaulted. Imagine being as bothered as you by someone coming out about being sexually abused. If anyone is soft it's you. You seem like you sympathize with an abuser, which is absolutely discusting. Like I told you before in another reply thread, seek help.
@@DoflamingoDonxiquote Incel spotted again
I feel so bad for this girl. Imagine coming out and telling everyone you were sexually physically abused as a child and then the people you just told this to basically dont give a single f
That's usually what happens in the south. They just blame the victim no matter what.
@@BigBrosFilms this wasn’t even the south tho, it was Indiana. This shit can happen everywhere
@@BigBrosFilms Indiana is about as far north as you can get in the Midwest without going into Canada.
@@BigBrosFilms baseless & untruthful claim just to bash on the south. This was Indiana.
It has nothing to do with the state, but house to house. You can meet terrible people in Texas, or great people in Cali, but then go down one house and you’ll meet great people in texas and awful people in Cali.
@@smartaleks314 to be fair I've been to Indiana. It may not physically be in the south but it sure as hell is the south mentally speaking
“Pastors are worshipped more than Jesus.”
100% agree. I went to this youth conference called Generation Unleashed when I was in high school, and I swear, every pastor there had the typical hipster look (Jean jacket, brown shoes, skinny jeans, derpy beard etc.) and they were all treated like one would treat a celebrity. It’s crazy man
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"Lovers of men, and not lovers of God."
stuff like that is the reason I don't go to church, or even really believe in going.
You're relationship with God is your own, and you shouldn't need to gather like that, especially when there are so many false believers that are head pastors or priests.
I also notice that a lot of people at church are super judgemental, and like to call out others on bullshit to make you feel like shit, and make themselves seem "holier than thou"
@@hinglemccringleberry9389 the pastors at my church are bomb, they just preach out their lungs out and the crowd loves it, including me.
@@hinglemccringleberry9389 that depends mostly on the reason they go to church, an interesting study found that those who went to church for materialistic reasons such as relationships, food, connections were found to be the most racist or outwardly judgmental while those who solely wanted to improve their relationship with God and pray were actually some of the least racist people in the population or something like that
The fact the victim was there to see people praise him is appalling
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The fuck u wafflin aboot??
What the hell are you yapping about?
He's a good person.
can u put this in simple terms
@@graclee8873no matter how many years it’s been moist stays ethically and morally consistent. he’s always a good person who sticks to the same ideas and beliefs, which is why his platform has stayed strong for so many years. he’s got the same goodness and morals whether the video is a day old or 272661 days old.
"you didn't tell them she was 14!"
"no, 16 🤓"
Yeah, like that's any better 💀
@@avagintz still disgusting, arguably still better
@@jagerbehaviour7007 No, not arguably. They can't consent either way.
right? its still so terrible.
@@jagerbehaviour7007still under the age of consent.
That victim was so brave, so very brave to stand up for herself infront of her abuser. I hope the girl is okay.
eh, woman. agree with you otherwise
@@Bwdabawdy yes
@@dontspikemydrink9382 "girl" doesn't have to be an age-specific term, it can just mean a female person.
@@duckified.if it did mean that woman wouldn’t be a word
I don’t
That was so smart. She was 14!
"No, She was 16"
lol way to fall into that trap! Too good.
Forgiveness wasn’t theirs to give
Calling what he did "adultery" is like being upset about a scratch on my car that's completely totaled.
But what he did was adultery
@Jesus's name was Joshua you have to ask yourself what's worse, SA of a child or adultery.
TO BE FAIR, the word "adultery" in the Bible covers many things. Even premarital sex is considered adultery. So, if you wanna be technical about it, assaulting a woman is adultery, by biblical definition. However, he deliberately uses very broad vocabulary in order for people to not understand the true gravity of his sins.
@@THE-WAY_THE-TRUTH_THE-LIFE. It wasn't JUST adultery, you r*pe apologist. He took advantage of an underage girl.
@@THE-WAY_THE-TRUTH_THE-LIFE. yeah, technically, but it wasn’t JUST adultery. that implies that he just cheated on his wife with another woman, not that he molested an underage girl?? fucking obviously are you okay
Imagine how the girl must’ve felt seeing all those people go up there and offer forgiveness… I hope for nothing but the best for her and her family
Yeh what a cesspool of freaks
Unbelievable.
Well I mean they are in a church. They doing what the bible teaches. She should take legal action if she wants him to be properly brought to justice. They have a confession and everything on tape. But I do agree forgiving that so quickly is crazy especially because it was done in his church office and 20 years of hypocrisy later after he can take a pension he reveals all smh. They are better belivers than I am.
@@zach8474 "They doing what the bible teaches" This is the dumbest shit I heard this week.
@@zach8474 If this is what being a good believer looks like, then I don’t wanna have anything to do with it.
I’m so happy to see Charlie point out these things that are wrong about churches, it tends to be people who used to be in the church/faith, like myself
The fact that they hugged and comforted him but not the victim is absolutely insane.
“for years i thought i was a horrible person having suicidal thoughts…” not only was she put through the physical abuse of molestation, she was put through the emotional abuse and trauma of her religion demonizing her mental health struggles that were caused by her PASTOR. disgusting. i hope he gets what he deserves, and i hope she gets a chance to begin a healing process.
Umm I’m a Christian and it is certainly not demonized. Maybe by shitty people in said religion but that doesn’t make the whole religion that way
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@@supremesalsa3257 thats so awesome that that's what u got out of that comment that was so cool thanks
@@alexbush714 I mean, their comment wasn't off point. Don't know why ur acting so sarcastic
@@supremesalsa3257 okay, I think I got it. So your saying that yes it happens but it's not all Christians. Which is a given? I mean yeah, it not all Christians but it's a noticeable amout of christens that do this kind of thing. And it is important to address and talk about.
They are literally enabling this behaviour. This is gross, those people are gross, and I hope the victim and her family is okay and are able to get away from that environment.
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Are you a Christian ?
@@CalebHemphill24 what does it matter if he is?
these idiots aren't real Christians, ppl that actually follow the bibles example know that committing adultery is practically almost an unforgivable sin and would have disfellowshipped him from the congregation ceasing all communication with him until he's faced the consequences of his actions according to the law of the land (the court system) don't let these goofballs fool you
I appreciate the fact that Charlie is not shitting on religious people here and just the guy who’s an actual piece of crap what a legend
But they still support him in the end
Actual delusion
We’re all pieces of crap, and if you disagree ur in for a rude awakening.
@@DoflamingoDonxiquotewhy r all of your comments so angry bro
@@DoflamingoDonxiquote That's not an excuse for commiting horrible crimes
@@DoflamingoDonxiquoteyeah but not everyone is a supporter of child rapists?
Sometimes I come back to videos like this when I feel bad, and it reminds me that I'm not that bad. Thank you Charlie
The woman is brave for telling him to his face, in front of an audience.
Unfortunately they're all brainwashed.
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@@MrUssy101 You sound boring
@@MrUssy101 this isn't a professional edited video that is he is watching and speaking of. It's not like it's content made by another RUclipsr, it's just a video someone filmed. If anything, I'm sure more people will go watch the OG video after watching this. I don't understand what you're upset about.
I cant imagine what she went through and for everyone just to so quickly sway it aside was honestly sickening
"What I've never understood is why pastors, themselves, are treated like gods."
This. This is one of the biggest reasons I stopped going to Church. Senior members and leaders of the Church are treated like gods who can do no wrong, while everyone else is judged and belittled for every, tiny little move. The hypocrisy in Church is rampant and ridiculous.
That’s mainly just mega churches for some reason
@@obama_man9933 You’d be surprised… many people treat their local pastors the same way and it does a great deal of widespread harm.
@Obama _man9 Nope. Grew up in a tiny town going to a church with a population of less than 100, had the same problems. People talk about these issues mainly in reference to megachurches, but I've seen and heard about these problems at churches of all sizes and denominations.
Church has a strange parasitic community. The good news is that for the most part its like twitter, they only have power over you if you're in the community...until it comes into politics.
@@hallieeramos I can vouch for that too. It's sad that it seems to happen regardless of size. I do t know who's actually safe from that.
That is insane man 🤦♂️
in our town if any adult confessed to child rape they would "disappear" and the local sheriff would look the other way.
“I got baptized twice just cause I was afraid God might have missed the first one”
Is the actual funniest sentence to come out of this man’s mouth for me. I was not expecting that at all.
RIGHT 😭
To trust in God so much and believe he's this out right almighty being that can do anything but then say some shit like that. Like oh, so God does mess up then I guess?
Not shitting on anyone's belief. Just pointing out irony. It's funny.
@@celestexo1999 well... he kinda did mess up since his perfect humans didnt listen and became imperfect
@@mepd3350No, we are made perfect but our actions are imperfect, that is the gift of free will and it is in our nature to do evil with our will, God does not want us to sin but it is His gift he gave so gracefully.
@@santaclause760 so basically still no, we aren't made perfect because if we were we wouldn't have that nature of "doing evil"
As a real Christian, just because God forgives you of a sin (no matter how bad), that doesn’t mean you get to escape the consequences of your actions. This man should be in prison.
exactly i don’t think charlie showed the rest because the congregation turned against him in the end
Hello, sibling in Christ. To this I say, AMEN.
at least it wasn't a fake Christian.
@@good-tn9sr Good. That pastor was a devil in disguise. What he did was evil. Let’s hope these good people find a better church
What is a real Christian
That ceiling is pissing me off
they should have crowded around the victim and prayed over her... why does the abuser always get the loving forgiveness and the victim never gets the love for there pain in situations like this?
As a rape victim, this whole thing is just totally unfair. It's not the church's place to forgive him. That power belongs to the victim. I don't understand how they could possibly go up to hug the guy after finding out what he did.
@@waclac sounds like a big old excuse to me.
@@waclac That's a very old testament thing to say. You need some serious mental help, hun.
@@juliadesoto7374 everything I just said is from the New Testament. and that’s crazy you mention “mental health” could you actually imagine everything I seen and went through that made me believe in god was all fake? that’s an interesting thought. I’ve seen some dark things in the night, I’ve seen paranormal activity worse then the movies in real life. I call upon Jesus for help and watched these things coward in fear. i never stop believing in him sense
Believe it or not. As a Rape Victim myself.
I make the choices of Repentance AND Forgiveness myself.
It doesn't matter what you think is "unfair" or not.
She is brave for confronting him,
For once she has said her piece, she has already won.
We hold our ground and nothing else.
Luke 17:4 “Even if that person wrongs you seven times a day and each time turns again and asks forgiveness, you must forgive.”
what a slap in the face to the victim to have dozens of people go up and embrace your offender after you explained what happened in an extremely vulnerable way. i'm disgusted.
THIS!!! I can’t believe no one and Charlie haven’t mentioned that part specifically. That is seriously just a WHOLE new layer of trauma dumped on top of what was already there
@@salvie777 he did, stated that everyone started to hug him as forgiveness as if he was the victim. its evil. poor girl.
I cant even imagine the feeling she got while watching that...so fucking sad.
sounds like some form of manipulation for a lack of an better word.
@@salvie777 really? I’ve never expect people to come and comfort me as a victim. They’re leaving their lives, they’re being deceived by others, I mean it’s tough to hear him praised, but jeez
Had to come back to thie video cause 2 years ago i was in high school watching tbis, and then my teacher took my phone so i forgot about watching it.
The video came out about a year and a half ago. There is no way you watched this 2 years ago
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I feel bad for the victim because imagine saying what happened to you then seeing people go up to be all forgiving and pitying the man who hurt her and abused her in so many ways
Imagine Charlie walking into that church dressed as Jesus and telling that pastor in front of the whole congregation that he is going to hell
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The day Charlie is outed as the next RUclips sexual offender is gonna be my thirteenth reason.
This is absolutely disgusting. Good for this victim for standing up for herself. This man deserves jail time.
@UrMom how doesn't he?
@@kirbo7184 he’s just another average pastor using church to do harm to children
@UrMom how not?
1. It's fucking disgusting.
2. It's a felony.
@UrMom I felt like I got a seizure trying to read your comment, but anyways, he committed an actual crime. He deserves jail time 100%
@@randominternetbro6562 I haven't watched the full video, did he assault her?
Why would he even try to admit this if he cant get away with it
Straight up acting like he was actually the victim
Lifelong Christian here. I agree with Charlie, pastors are lifted up WAY too high. And this guy needs to answer for his crimes. This congregation had likely been taught false teachings by this pastor to make himself look better than he is. Absolutely disgusting, using Christianity to try to justify his actions and get away from them.
Pastors have been exalted higher than Jesus it’s sad to say
Biblically: This guy NEEDS to step down. He is DISQUALIFIED. He’s a fraud. If he doesn’t step down he’s even a bigger fraud.
@@hoffer_moment Check out the channel THE SUPERIOR WORD 🙏🏼. That’s my congregation now.
@@hoffer_moment Yeah, so many people can get disconnected from what’s important, and they just focus on what the pastor says. Open your Bible and come to your own conclusions for once!
nono he hasn't taught them anything different, its just how the Christian community works
This type of “forgiveness” mindset is so sick. I’ve had a close family member who was abused as a teen, and that man still was forgiven and accepted in church. A crime is a crime. And if it happens again, and it almost always does, it’s too late for it to get the punishment it deserves.
Well of course it may depend on the crime that was committed. Sezual abuse or misconduct however is unacceptable.
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First hollywood for Will Smith and now this. Honestly I would have gotten my belongings and walked out.
that is how religion works. pray for forgiveness, forget, rinse and keep doing you sickly deeds. Nobody cares what terrible crimes you commit if you're part of religion. even my grandpa, completely catholic. is a terrible sick, abusive man. but he's religious so it is alright to those around. gross isn't it, well I suppose that's how the world works nowadays.
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I agree, there is no power or righteousness in forgiving such concealed and deliberately buried crimes
Thats crazy. Hits close to home too, the feeling of them forgiving that guy really gave me some flashbacks 😂😂😂
As a rape victim myself I say fucking fair play to that woman for smacking down the truth to the public about what he did to her.
Well done mate. I'm glad it's over and you're free from him. Lets hope he stays in jail for what he did.
Hope you're doin ok dude.
Hope ur recovering well stay positive
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Ik rape is terrible I amagine the terror I'm sorry that other males are doing this it's disgusting but I don't know what rape is anymore ppl say it's being called a slut or being fun of ect
@@Brcyx193 wtf do u mean. rape is rape
"You didn't say she was 14"
"No, 16"
What a difference
the person who shouted "you didnt say she was 14" did that intentionally so the pastor could admit that the person he molested was 16 (by correcting that person in front of the crowd)
@@TVPMLP he finna be a good lawyer
@@TVPMLP isn’t 16 the age of consent tho? So if a 16 year old gives consent to an adult then it’s not child rape right?
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Something similar happened to my mum recently when she joined one of those cant-sing-choirs. It was about historical abuse and she couldn’t stand being anywhere near the people after the leader got sentenced, because they all knew what he’d done, but they just kept gushing over him; keeping him on a pedestal. It’s just so sick.
its sad that there's actual people like this out in this world and they think they can be forgiven, that woman's life is ruined with that memory in her mind for the rest of her life.
As a Christian myself, I can’t wrap my head around the fact that not only does this pastor admit to committing a horrible crime and he doesn’t seem guilty about it at all, but the fact that the people in pews applaud him and give him hugs. If the priest at MY church did that, it would completely change the way I view him for the worst.
Totally agree. I was expecting a tearful apology at the very least, but it definitely came off as him doing his best to downplay it.
Based the first part of his story I do understand the congregation forgiving him. From their perspective he made a big mistake one time 20 years ago.
Biblically there is a separation between forgiving a sin and lack of consequences. He can be forgiven by God/Man, yet still deserve prison. In the same way, his congregation can forgive him, while still not wanting anything to do with him ever again.
Man deserves a restraining order, imprisonment, firing, put on a register for predatory and sex offense conducts, fired again and exiled from the church, as frankly if he is capable of committing harm on people on its premises, he should not be allow near said premises
This is only the professional response to such a crime and confession, victims, survivors and witnesses will probably do other unprofessional shit, but the professional and legal response is the bare minimum
The monster doesn't deserve rest, enough said
at my brothers church recently the pastor either got caught or came out to the church that he had an affair in the past year or so and he was called to step down and leave the church not applauded and told how good he was for coming clean.
@@saulstein9560 my previous pastor was confronted for having 17+ affairs. He was then brought up in front of the church had to admit to what he did an was then also asked to step down from the position.
I am a Christian and I would gladly drop what I am doing and help this kind of person meet God... whether they're ready or not. The fact that no one felt the need to break this guy's knees is troubling. I don't ever want to look at someone like this and be able to instantly forgive them because they read the bible to me once a week.
He screamed adultery because he was trying to push at least some of the blame on her which is so fucking sick.
And of course, children cannot legally consent. But a pharisee has to twist the words of the law he bases his position on, in order to hide behind its moral implications in order to avoid immediately facing them.
Exactly… this isn’t adultery or cheating because it wasn’t a romantic or sexual endeavor. It was assault. Child molestation by a higher up that poor girl trusted. How awful
Minimalising
It’s 8 months later and I’m still fucking pissed about this
“ No she wasn’t 14 smh, she was 16 ” so much different mr. cant be loyal to me wife
I was a minor abused in the church. This makes me fucking sick. It makes me so happy this girl got her time to speak. So many of us never have. The fact that the even just a few in the crowd didn’t turn on her like the congregation at my church did gives me so much hope for humanity and embracing and praying for this man was completely unacceptable, deranged and disgusting especially in front of his victim. Thank you for showing this. It shows the reality of many many abuse survivors of the church.
You wouldn't believe the number of times I've heard "I was a minor abused in a church" in my life. these people are really disgusting and pathetic
That shit doesn’t exist. It’s happened to me and I brushed it off 🤣
@CSWdenji69 "That shit doesn't exist"
"It happened to me"
Make sense next time bro
@@Apollolikesbirds what I mean is that it doesn’t affect anything. If it affects you ur soft.
@@xtcyrafa huh? Lmao it shouldn’t
Pastor: I am simply a humble sinner
Woman: actually
she's so brave revealing so many details about a horrific crime to a congregation that just cheered for the guy
This should honestly be shown to people who may have experienced something but haven't come forward about it, seeing the narrative change so quickly when her side came out is somewhat encouraging.
@Kavetion no
7:25 this woman in the crowd is actually so smart for overstating the age difference as to make the pastor confess to the actual age of the girl..whether she meant to or not she got the confession out of him that "no, ackschully she was 16" not only does this open up the fact that she was underage it also tells that the pastor was very well aware that he was sexually involved with a minor.
He's holding that point because the age of consent in their state is 16, so he's not facing criminal charges for statutory.
@@Mr12Relic I hate that so much, people will hold onto State ages of consent as if the federal age of consent isn't 18 for a very good reason, and as if that somehow makes it any less creepy. A 16 year old in California is still the same age in Indiana, still a minor no matter what some sleazy laws say.
@@PistenDeer It's not. The vast majority of countries and US states choose 14, 15 or 16. The US federal government didn't magically get the right age over everyone else, nor did california. Your cultural norms are YOUR cultural norms. What's sleazy is that this relatively old man manipulated and abused this young girl from a position of power into having sex with him.
Just because the age of consent is 16 doesn't mean "relationships" like this shouldn't be heavily scrutinised, Age of Consent doesn't actually matter that much in itself because even when it's lower you don't get a big rush of teenagers wanting to have sex with middle aged men and women. I think quite clearly age of consent or not, there wasn't consent here. As the replier states, the guy wants to make sure it's 16 because 16 is not underage where he's at and he won't face statutory charges. This would force her to prove rape rather than just sex (the latter of which he's admitted to).
@@Person01234 A lot of countries with age of consent below 18 specify that if someone under 18 has sex with someone that's over 18 it could still be classified as a crime even if the underage person consented.
@@Mr12Relic statutory works anyway, age of consent (if it's under 18) usually means with *other people who are under 18*. 16 yr old with a 30yr old is still (statutory) rape
Wow this video is hard to finish man, I’ve never been so infuriated
The guilt must of eaten a hole in his heart
"I committed adultery"
Crowd: WOOOO YEAHH BABY
"She was 16"
Crowd: WOOO.. wait a minute that is a federal crime
"But im sorry"
Crowd: WOOO YEAH BABY HE APOLGIZED FOR HIS SINS THATS WHAT WE BEEN WAITING FOR THATS WHAT CHRISTIANITY IS ALL ABOUT!"
what the comment section fails to understand is they probably didn’t react because 16 is the age of consent in their state so her saying that does not describe a crime, her saying he raped her does, but 16 by itself does not make it a crime
Reality is often dissapointing
@@saherking2707 Many states have Romeo and Juliet laws that still make it illegal for an adult with a certain age gap to have sexual contact with a minor of a certain age. In my state, that’s also the age of consent, BUT if there’s an age gap of more than four years then it’s statutory rape. And regardless of the law, it’s still disgusting that he took advantage of a child from a position of power, and he should be entirely condemned. He should have been run out if that damned church.
So you think people shouldn't smoke weed?
@@ebola52
Rape is way worse than weed. He’s red weed used by people under 25 can lead to mental delays and issues.
The guy should serve time in prison for that. Why does he get a free pass for child molestation just because he's a pastor? That's fucked up.
She would have to file charges or testify in court at the very least and most victims like to distance themselves as far away from the incident as possible
@@noahgillihan7251 it seems she's brave enough to tell an entire congregation about it, and confront him. She doesn't seem like the one to not press charges or do something. Also, if you openly admit in public, and on video, to a serious crime can nothing really be done? The guy admits to child rape but it just doesn't matter because she didn't press charges? That's fucked up. People would just target those they know wouldn't press charges and take advantage of them.
@@Metallic484 if you do not testify in court you cannot really press charges. For example, a cop can have a video recording of you speeding, but if he doesn't go to court that day, you will not get charged with speeding.
Rape culture.
@@Metallic484 police dont do shit, as we know
The courage that woman had is inspirational.
"I got baptized twice because I thought God missed the first one" 🤣
What infuriates me is the fact he ‘confesses’ like he’s a victim of some sort of trauma.
@Savetion Xi 😈 who even are you
@@CATGUTZ a turd burglar
Facts
Right, isn't it completely insane? Acting like he wasn't the perpetrator.