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As a certified loser myself, yeah, the scene sucks. My sis and I went to a cannibal corpse show the other year. Great show, george killed it as usual. Would've been better if the crowd wasn't continuously farting the entire time. Dudes need to learn how to eat a balanced diet ffs not just gas station burritos.
I think one of my favourite things that you do is when you realize you are about to say something hilarious and is a bit, you do a slight laugh, like you know that some idiot commenter is gonna take you way too seriously. always the funniest bits lol. Awesome video!
I doubt they mean like the “global elite” rich lol But most I’ve met were upper middle class, well above average income families. It’s just the fact they try to emphasize how working class and “hard” they are that makes people call them cringe rich kids. It’s the same for punk and it’s subgenres too. Anything that’s a niche genre with a big internet culture will typically have a large upper class following. I think it’s because the actual working class doesn’t have time to search the internet for small niche bands, take time off work to play shows or go to shows, and it’s hard to find 4 guys playing instruments in poorer areas. I grew up pretty poor outside of America and also until late jr high time in America as well. Most working class typically listened to rap, radio rock, or even country. Granted there’s plenty of middle class punk and hardcore kids, and not all rich kids get into hardcore. But the stereotype exists because some genres just have more rich kids than others, and hardcore just happened to be one of those.
Hardcore started in The early 80’s with middle class living in suburbia “white” (still don’t get that inaccurate unscientific USA term) kids, who wanted to rebel because they wanted something interesting and hated living a a conservative bubble (all though they didn’t really get out of their bubble or be cultured/sophisticated, they just stayed in their hardcore- bubble ironically) Or were very BORED. They were angry for no reason. A lot of hardcore kids back then and still are clean cut highschool and college jock looking. Their outfits. Their short conservative Regan era haircuts of the day. Now a days they have military style fades or something. Still conservative and clean cut. Not hood fades or tapers and line ups too.. even though some try to emulate that shit (wannabes).
The lossless audio is so much better and yes the UI for me. God damn it Finn. I’m married and I’m an Apple Music user. I am old. I am not chad. I am bald. I just realized my wife is bound to leave me at any moment. I must settle for inferior sound quality and library system to save my hair and my marriage 😂 PS, I love topics like these. Some of us don’t just want videos about bands we liked when we were teens. But I understand why you have to do that stuff. Keep on brother we’re here for it
I don’t know about jocks but 90% of hardcore dudes fall into one of these categories Guy with very rich parents, usually very liberal, was into scene metalcore music 10 years ago but now claims he “never really liked metalcore” Tend to be skinnier and with less tattoos. Really into knocked loose. Then there’s the total opposite types, terrible family lives, either straight edge or an addict with no in between, face tattoos or neck tattoos, and usually either over weight or muscular
Hardcore being for “rich jocks” is definitely an over exaggeration but growing up, I knew plenty of angsty suburban kids who were well off that were into Hardcore
It’s weird af, coming up in New York, the scene had all walks of life. Grew up seeing bands like leeway, killing time, irate, proof of purchase (the latter two in the legit bronx history books), D9, crown of thrones, and “the other side”, like on the might of princes, poison the well, converge, 7 angels 7 plagues, etc etc but what I have noticed is that some of these bands had the bare essentials in gear. Not the ones I mentioned per se, but when I think about the bands I were in and friends who didn’t have a drum kit or a guitar head but bands would lend them out (insane by today standards) but my point is so many of these bands that pioneered metal ore and death core were a lot of rich kids. I know personally some New York bands that came out on big labels in hardcore that were queens/Long Island rich kids having the best gear they either taught themselves and than later to be able to afford private lessons from legendary musicians in the genre, Same with vocalists, BUT the jock thing came because a lot of the bands from the 80s were blue collar men, tattooed everywhere before anything else, and had crews and a family environment and some literally had to live day by day, so I think these jock dudes with money skipped the history lesson and just gain out and literally go for the girls and the style and “attitude” getting it ALL wrong. It’s sad to see. And gross. And also since they banned cigs and booze being even more expensive, clubs do not smell the same so you def get that neck beard “I’ve not left my gaming chair in a month to shower” smell at normal metal shows. The crust punk/hc:whatever core kids are worse than even before smelling like actual feces. Idk how that happened..but it did.!
Growing up in a suburban neighborhood may make you well off, but where is the jock part? Jocks by definition are the cool kids who play sports, they are the top of the social circle in highschool and punks and metalheads are near the bottom.
But! The same repeated tropes it might as well be a Nu-Metal video This is the 8000th time we’ve heard the “You wouldn’t want to meet a girl and she finds out you have an android phone and Apple Music would you” Spiel. Poor Finn man, now that video makes even more sense. He literally just says the same thing every day
I have definitely seen a hypebeast playing bass in a Hardcore band so it's not like zero of those typed. But I'm not really seeing a lot of Hardcore bands headlining at sports' stadiums or getting really big spots in expensive festivals and stuff. The fact that their shows are staying pretty cheap to go to and even just at house, basement garage shows etc is more indicative of who the shows are for than the random maybe rich dude in a band here and there.
Whenever I see someone say straightedge hardcore is for “rich jocks” what I imagine they mean is “middle class white dudes who are too uppity to fit in with actual alternative kids”.
Hardcore has always been the best path to make it to the nfl. The reason why so many rich jocks play it is because hey already made it into the nfl. Its just common sense at this point and i dont see why mainstream media always skirts around the issue
Hey Finn. I know yoir not gonna respond or read this but ive watched your content everyday for the past 3 years. Me and my wife both do. Watching your content always puts me in a happy place. Im sure ive seen all yoir videos. Anyway, please dont give up. Theres so much you could do on this platform. The possibilities are endless. This is a little off topic but do you ever do meet and greets? Anyway much love from alastair and april
I seen suicide silence back in 2009 in Fayetteville NC on the music as a weapon tour, they were absolutely flawless. I was up front and Mitch was going tf in..like always
I can tell you that in the early 90s upper middle class jocks in the suburbs north of NYC definitely loved straight edge hardcore. It was particularly big in Catholic schools too. I actually like these people so no hate from me but that might be where this stereotype started.
I predict bands like Lakeview are going to be pretty big, or at least influential. Let me tell you from experience, small town people LOVE that butt-rock/radio-metalcore sound. Mix that with a bit of a country twist and you have a formula that's going to make red-state rock festivals go wild. It's not my cup of tea, but I'm willing to bet that sound is going to stick around for a while
I grew up in Newark NJ, in the shadow of NYC. This was the late 80’s and early 90’s when hardcore, punk and metal shows at Pipeline, City Gardens, CBgB, etc… were under $10. ALL INCLUSIVE!!!!
Okay, so I wasn’t rich or a jock, but my girlfriend was a cheerleader when I fronted a hc band in 2001. I don’t know where everyone’s from, but a lot of the Long Island kids fit that stereotype, though.
I’ve been to several concerts post-transition and they were all indie, punk rock, folk, and pop punk. I felt safe in all those places. I would never go to a metal concert because every metal head I’ve ever met gives weird vibes. They’re the “nicest person ever” until they find out you are part of XYZ demographic they hate.
People who claim metal shouldn't be inclusive are making fools of themselves. If they knew anything about metal, they'd know there is PLENTY of inclusivity in many subgenres.
Androids just have way more options tbh. Google Pixel phones, which use an Android OS, are just as expensive but they're way more intuitive and have better features imo.
@@skippy8696 I do wish Androids were more intuitive, but they're so much cheaper than iphones, and have better features. For a while each generation of iphone seemed like a genuine upgrade, but for the last few years only the camera seems to have gotten better. I've never tried a Google Pixel.
we were all poor and we all loved hardcore split parents, left home by 16, working under table, some on the way to addiction, 80% quit school or got GED, no cars just get on a bus to that hard core show out near the storage unit in an industrial area
I foresaw the pop-punk revival fizzling out quickly once I noticed everyone was in a race to hop on the bandwagon. Almost the whole industry changed their sound overnight
17:17 I wouldn't say all that too soon. Definitely older metalheads could be more ignorant and pose a risk to transgender metal fans. However, you can't overlook the new generation of bands and fans. Fans of Sanguisugabogg or 200 stab wounds are anywhere between 15-25 years old, and have been nothing but supportive to their trans acquaintances in my experience. Metal might suck for the reasons Finn gives but the newer generation is definitely coming in and changing the narrative.
No telling how many times I heard a 19 yr old beat down kid talking about how his parents took him to the tattoo shop to get sleeves. Then say “Yeah bro. If you can’t take getting kicked in the face then don’t come to hardcore shows” and then watch as him, and his 10 friends use brass knuckles to send two kids to the hospital for absolutely no reason other than the fact that they didn’t know them, and because they saw them smoke weed. So ‘haaadcore’. Failed football quarterbacks that got into chunky buttmetal from their gym bro. They’re just waiting for next semester at whatever Ivy League. Hardcore is 80s style punk. Not beat down bro metal. Nor pop punk. Or “skate” punk as some call it. Fuckn fantasy football bullshit.
7:41 The difference between the shitty pop punk revival stuff from a couple years ago and the classic pop punk is easy: The new stuff all used the same cadence as the new hip hop/trap (plus auto tune for the singing challenged). Pop punk is about coming up with original melodies, which the new stuff didn't do at all. Am I the only one that heard this?????
I knew a lot of working class hardcore kids who played sports (myself included). Poor schools didn't have funding for arts, so athletics was a popular outlet for fucked up kids. But I think the real reason people call hardcore kids "jocks" is because they are usually clean cut and wear normal clothes, and to the brooding dorks that's a "jock" to them. It's funny, because that's literally a big part of what separates hardcore punk from other punk. Raw, violent music and shows without the pageantry of punk fashion.
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i just wanted to say, i find it very very stupid that people dislike someone based on the very tame opinions of his on music, just because he has an actual audience. i also want to say, i'd rather watch videos about topic i dont know anything about and had no prior interest than something that i already know about, because your format is entertaining to me. i know the clicks of the fans on the video are very valuable, but at the very least there'd be no harm in balancing two types of videos. i dont know how much less of a revenue you get from the videos that you enjoy making, but i think they're still worth making even if it's mostly for your mental health, because if it will hurt, then the quality of all of the videos will suffer too. i dont agree with you sometimes too but if i agreed on everything, it would just be boring to watch tbh. there's not a person on earth that doesnt have some kind of hot or even shitty takes, and i think that's alright, there's nothing wrong with it even if you're technically wrong on something. discussions are fun because there's not a single perspective on life. if everyone thought the same thing, nobody would talk about anything ever, because what's the point. i honestly found myself feeling way better when i stopped responding to everyone i found wrong on some level, technical or moral, too. some opinions you can see are just fueled by negative energy or feelings, there's no point of talking with such people.
Feel like the hardcore is for the rich comment was aimed at the Long Island hardcore kids 😂 anyone from the 5 boroughs back in the early 2010s hated when they’d come around to a show in Brooklyn or the Bronx
Hardcore as a music genre is not about rich jocks. I agree with Finn on this one. Hardcore music is working class art, and I dare say, anti-jock. There is alot of muscle heads and martial artists in the hardcore scene. Are they really jocks?
@08:56 i would say there are 2 scenes almost though the suburban and college kids but they are not rich often just upper middle and middle class then you have the city kids who are into hc and i dont know anymore but in the 90s and early 2000s would have crews and families and were pretty chill but if you messed with them would hand out beatings alot of those kids lived hard lives for real and there are definitely not bands in hardcore who are getting rich thats for damn sure
Hardcore is supposed to be for the poor dysfunctional losers, but buddy IT’S been gentrified as hell. You look at ticket/merch prices as well as the aesthetic and tell me it’s not for rich dudes that want to be hard.
It’s funny how Fin still thinks hardcore is this scary place for tough guys that people are scared to go to and that’s the only reason they say anything negative about it. Even tik tok girls go to hardcore shows now lol
No no, I can listen to the music: The whole band is racist, most likely die hard fans of Germany between 1933 and 1945, but it is not in their music. So no problem at all, I can listen to that stuff. Yup, metalheads.
The ideal rich jock weightroom soundtrack is Rage Against the Machine with the lyrics converted to Simlish. Jocks rarely if ever choose to listen to aggressive rock outside of the weight room, but they'll nod their heads along if a dork like me puts it on. That being said, I don't think the hardcore fanbase is all poor people either. Probably runs the gamut from poor to upper middle class. Straightedge in particular is obviously an overreaction to familial problems with addiction and addiction affects people in all walks of life.
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I honestly feel like the “rich suburb jocks” gravitate more to metalcore based on what I’ve seen. But like who cares rich kids listen to chief keef as well I don’t understand the argument
I have pretty let-wing political views and it's weird how much people project prejudices onto you just because you're a conservative. Nothing in your content has ever even hinted that you hate lgbtq+ people, racial minorities, or women. You hate upper middle class urban liberals and anyone that reminds you of your teenaged self.
same, i like the black metal but not gonna step in a black metal show, although for a weird reason, new black metal fans are super lgbt sjdjjdjf but the old guys, get them out
HardCore is Biohazard MadBall Merauder HardCore is Underground Music from New York and Skater Hardcore is typically from la for example Excel sometimes it’s from different places
You spoke some good hardcore scene truth, here. There were never any rich jocks at shows. They were too busy hanging out with the girls I wanted to date.😂 I'm glad you mentioned the distinction between hardcore and metal scenes. In hardcore, everybody was welcome. We were all a bunch of dysfuntional dorks figuring things out. Christians, atheists, edgers, stoners, vegans, anarchists, etc. could all hang out and get along. You did not see that kind of thing at metal shows.
Their was a sort of truth to the "rich kid" element of hardcore fans in the UK before the age of streaming and everyone being connected to the internet in the sense of the music wasn't made to be accessible so to hear about anything that wasn't your friends local band you'd have to have access to the internet, same with buying merch, CDs, vinyl etc, if you wanted to buy something by an obscure band in California for example you'd have to be able to get on a computer to buy it as well as be able to afford the shipping to get it to you, doesn't mean you had to be living in a castle rich but their was a sort of financial barrier to entry back then
@@FinnMckentyPRMBAalso here in israel because the punk/hardocore scene and metal scene are very close there are a lot of trans people in metal shows. (Not all metalheads here are cool, there are still a lot of transphobe right wingers but for mostly everyone is chill)
Nah, no thanks. There’s already enough genre mixing in metal. At some point, you’re trying to serve a burger with ice cream on it. Like burgers and ice cream are both good, but in different contexts and never when they’re combined.
@@BasedHyperborean Well put !!! My favorite Metal band is KITTIE all girl Death Metal / Nu Metal Epic !!! We need more culture community social like "F" Evil Hippies !!! All people all welcome what I meant to say !!!
@@taolinnegar9961I mean, I don’t disagree with that. But the whole “metal is racist/bigoted/whatever” discourse is tired in my opinion. Like it’s dominated by a certain demographic because it appeals more to a certain demographic. Trying to force some sort of postmodernist definition of diversity just doesn’t work with most things. Some people are just naturally drawn to specific things, and those people being heavily represented in that thing’s community isn’t bigotry. Imagine someone saying “there are too many black people in the rap industry, the rap industry is racist.” Same energy as calling metal racist or sexist.
@@BasedHyperborean Yeah but that doesn't mean I or anyone, should give up on bringing a new open-minded community, I know Metal is prominently toxic/sexiest/raisist ect... But as a Second Generation Muso... My parent's had a band called SnakeShed 80's Acid Rock Blue's Fusion... I won't give up on Metal !!!!
@@BasedHyperboreanWelp just because some white people's bands popularized the genre doesn t mean it s music for white people only...and also, Jimmy hendrix is hugely responsible for getting rock mainstream and he s just one example of other "races" rockers. With this mentality, metal is dead forever
Saddens me so much that the younger gens have zero clue of the best bands which orignated genres. NOT ONE mentioned a band like Minor Threat, Uniform Choice, etc. while talking about Straight Edge in the Chat. Meanwhile, I didn't recognize a single band they were praising. SERIOUSLY makes me very sad. Transfer that to anything. Most of the young gens have zero clue who built what they take for granted today, & the hard work &/or suffering which went into it. Much less how to maintain & actually improve it. It all just appeared like magic, & was always there. Bodes VERY WELL for our future. God, have mercy on, & help us. 😢
You clearly weren't into the northeast hardcore scene that was LOADED with rich jocks, especially in the 90's when this shit was more popping in the larger culture. And by "hardcore jocks" I mean like giant kids with behavioral disorders who couldn't memorize football plays.
I feel like the Lakeview Mommycore fans are slightly different than what you described. I think they DEFINITELY voted for Trump, but I think they got red pilled after getting pregnant and that caused them to vote Trump. I think she's more of a Tim Pool conservative than a Fox News conservative. These women were definitely Democrats when they were young, and traveling into the city in a jam packed ten year old Honda Accord to see hardcore shows a couple times a month. She probably grew up with Christian parents but she was agnostic or atheist, and she got "saved" after her questionable party phase in her late teens and early twenties. This woman is definitely guzzling the Fox News and Newsmax KoolAid post 40 though. No doubt about it. Your take on the metal crowd is so damn right. In my late teens and early 20's in the early to mid 2000's I was one of those weirdos with shoulder length black hair who exclusively wore blue skinny Hollister girl jeans with black converse and black T-Shirts from bands like Bane, Terror, Comeback Kid, Every Time I Die, Poison The Well, Norma Jean, etc. And there were so many times where I got punched in the face by a metal head in the pit at shows and/or called an "emo fggt" at pretty much every venue here in Fort Lauderdale/Miami.
I often go to metal shows at a particular heavy metal bar in Salt Lake City Utah and get nothing but love from the bands as well as the venue owners. I am/we are openly trans. People know not to fuck with us. We've even played a local metal festival and have been fine. If that commenter or anyone that thinks that way wants to approach me with their opinions about my presence, feel free.
First show i'd gone to in years back in 2018: Revocation, Rivers of Nihil, Exhumed, & Yautja in KC, MO and there was clearly a strong gay presence in the metal community there. it was refreshing and better than i anticipated. because, i really just care about having a good time and enjoying some good music- not "who's banging who"
Metal is actually quite inclusive... the "Metal God" is Rob Halford... enough said. (I'm not even going to mention Mark Free (aka Marcie Free now) from King Cobra and the 80s hair metal androginy)
It's weird to hear the metal/hardcore take for me because my personal experience has been kind of flipped. Like I've met hardcore dudes who were openly racist and homophobic but, my state's metal scene, is very open and I've met multiple LGBTQ+ people and anti-fascists in it. Not saying shit heads don't exist because they do, but it just doesn't quite seem like a fair take
Hardcore is for anyone who is searching for an outlet other than dope and hanging out with self hating beta's. I've even had issues with so called punks because they spout that dumb shit. Like Finn said one time- "I'd rather hang out with the dudes from a straight edge band than the guys who hang out bumming money behind the store for alcohol". Something like that....if those are my choices I would agree.........coming from someone who was a bum and alcoholic/junkie at one time. 10 years sober this May.
I'll have you know I'm a working class (i.e poor) jock (actually a somewhat muscular working class dork) and I almost exclusively listen to toughguy hardcore, so checkmate atheist.
How can you just stereotype an entire group like metalheads as being racist and transphobic finn? Dude I'm lifelong metalhead who also goes to hardcore shows as well by the way. I don't have a racist or transphobic bone in my body nor does anyone in my local metal scene. We have tons of LGBT people who go to shows and play in bands. They do everything we do and we're all friends. This is just bullshit finn. We all oppose racism and transphobia. You pick one isolated instance and act like we all agree with this guy and it couldn't be further from the truth.
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Guy shitting in a metal trash can in an empty shipping container
Finn: So catchy
Two things can be true at once. I do not personally like any of this new weird country rock, But it is Catchy
That’s just most noise and grindcore tbh. And it’s all valid music. Not my cup of tea but it is music
Listening to Finn Mchenty roast the fuck out of everything I own and listen to is my favorite pass time activity
It’s a little bit masochistic but yeah, good to be humbled sometimes
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Me too 😂
I was born too late for my music to be roasted by Beavis & Butthead so I just send it to RUclipsrs instead.
Mine too 😂
"we used to go to [metal] shows to get away from losers". which world this guy lives on?
what does he even mean? are his parents going to shows with him now? is that what he's referring to?
Dude looking around and seeing a bunch of dudes that have not showered in weeks and saying "God we are so cool".
For real I haven't been to a local show in years because it's legit just a group of 100+ losers with no future hanging around
@@MoshJunkie426 that says more about where you live than it does about any music fanbase lol
As a certified loser myself, yeah, the scene sucks. My sis and I went to a cannibal corpse show the other year. Great show, george killed it as usual. Would've been better if the crowd wasn't continuously farting the entire time. Dudes need to learn how to eat a balanced diet ffs not just gas station burritos.
I think one of my favourite things that you do is when you realize you are about to say something hilarious and is a bit, you do a slight laugh, like you know that some idiot commenter is gonna take you way too seriously. always the funniest bits lol. Awesome video!
Middle class isn't rich. I'm assuming this is what they mean..
Yes
Holyyyy shit. I legitimately laughed out loud at the "don't step on my snake sticker" comment 😂
I do Spotify/Android, so I have to make up some of my Chad energy by having a mullet. I dont make the rules.
People who think hardcore is just a bunch of rich kids have never actually met a rich kid
I doubt they mean like the “global elite” rich lol
But most I’ve met were upper middle class, well above average income families.
It’s just the fact they try to emphasize how working class and “hard” they are that makes people call them cringe rich kids.
It’s the same for punk and it’s subgenres too.
Anything that’s a niche genre with a big internet culture will typically have a large upper class following. I think it’s because the actual working class doesn’t have time to search the internet for small niche bands, take time off work to play shows or go to shows, and it’s hard to find 4 guys playing instruments in poorer areas. I grew up pretty poor outside of America and also until late jr high time in America as well. Most working class typically listened to rap, radio rock, or even country. Granted there’s plenty of middle class punk and hardcore kids, and not all rich kids get into hardcore. But the stereotype exists because some genres just have more rich kids than others, and hardcore just happened to be one of those.
Hardcore started in The early 80’s with middle class living in suburbia “white” (still don’t get that inaccurate unscientific USA term) kids, who wanted to rebel because they wanted something interesting and hated living a a conservative bubble (all though they didn’t really get out of their bubble or be cultured/sophisticated, they just stayed in their hardcore- bubble ironically)
Or were very BORED. They were angry for no reason. A lot of hardcore kids back then and still are clean cut highschool and college jock looking. Their outfits. Their short conservative Regan era haircuts of the day. Now a days they have military style fades or something. Still conservative and clean cut. Not hood fades or tapers and line ups too.. even though some try to emulate that shit (wannabes).
The lossless audio is so much better and yes the UI for me. God damn it Finn. I’m married and I’m an Apple Music user. I am old. I am not chad. I am bald. I just realized my wife is bound to leave me at any moment. I must settle for inferior sound quality and library system to save my hair and my marriage 😂
PS, I love topics like these. Some of us don’t just want videos about bands we liked when we were teens. But I understand why you have to do that stuff. Keep on brother we’re here for it
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Also, I agree that I LOVE these videos too!
The “here’s the thing” edit always makes my day.
I don’t know about jocks but 90% of hardcore dudes fall into one of these categories
Guy with very rich parents, usually very liberal, was into scene metalcore music 10 years ago but now claims he “never really liked metalcore”
Tend to be skinnier and with less tattoos. Really into knocked loose.
Then there’s the total opposite types, terrible family lives, either straight edge or an addict with no in between, face tattoos or neck tattoos, and usually either over weight or muscular
See, these videos where you just set it straight and are loose with your mood are the videos we enjoy the most.
Exactly!
Hardcore being for “rich jocks” is definitely an over exaggeration but growing up, I knew plenty of angsty suburban kids who were well off that were into Hardcore
Every. Single. Hard-core kid.
theres like 2 scenes the suburban and college kids and then theres the city kids especially here on the east coast who live a kinda harder life
Nail on the head, alot of hardcore kids I knew growing up lived in very nice houses and had the means to acquire merch/vinyl at the drop of a hat
It’s weird af, coming up in New York, the scene had all walks of life. Grew up seeing bands like leeway, killing time, irate, proof of purchase (the latter two in the legit bronx history books), D9, crown of thrones, and “the other side”, like on the might of princes, poison the well, converge, 7 angels 7 plagues, etc etc but what I have noticed is that some of these bands had the bare essentials in gear. Not the ones I mentioned per se, but when I think about the bands I were in and friends who didn’t have a drum kit or a guitar head but bands would lend them out (insane by today standards) but my point is so many of these bands that pioneered metal ore and death core were a lot of rich kids. I know personally some New York bands that came out on big labels in hardcore that were queens/Long Island rich kids having the best gear they either taught themselves and than later to be able to afford private lessons from legendary musicians in the genre, Same with vocalists, BUT the jock thing came because a lot of the bands from the 80s were blue collar men, tattooed everywhere before anything else, and had crews and a family environment and some literally had to live day by day, so I think these jock dudes with money skipped the history lesson and just gain out and literally go for the girls and the style and “attitude” getting it ALL wrong. It’s sad to see. And gross. And also since they banned cigs and booze being even more expensive, clubs do not smell the same so you def get that neck beard “I’ve not left my gaming chair in a month to shower” smell at normal metal shows. The crust punk/hc:whatever core kids are worse than even before smelling like actual feces. Idk how that happened..but it did.!
Growing up in a suburban neighborhood may make you well off, but where is the jock part? Jocks by definition are the cool kids who play sports, they are the top of the social circle in highschool and punks and metalheads are near the bottom.
Finally, something that isn’t nu-metal related.
I couldn't agree more.
You read my mind lol
How dare you!
But! The same repeated tropes it might as well be a Nu-Metal video
This is the 8000th time we’ve heard the “You wouldn’t want to meet a girl and she finds out you have an android phone and Apple Music would you”
Spiel.
Poor Finn man, now that video makes even more sense. He literally just says the same thing every day
Do you watch any of this videos
I have definitely seen a hypebeast playing bass in a Hardcore band so it's not like zero of those typed. But I'm not really seeing a lot of Hardcore bands headlining at sports' stadiums or getting really big spots in expensive festivals and stuff. The fact that their shows are staying pretty cheap to go to and even just at house, basement garage shows etc is more indicative of who the shows are for than the random maybe rich dude in a band here and there.
Whenever I see someone say straightedge hardcore is for “rich jocks” what I imagine they mean is “middle class white dudes who are too uppity to fit in with actual alternative kids”.
Hardcore has always been the best path to make it to the nfl. The reason why so many rich jocks play it is because hey already made it into the nfl. Its just common sense at this point and i dont see why mainstream media always skirts around the issue
Hey Finn. I know yoir not gonna respond or read this but ive watched your content everyday for the past 3 years. Me and my wife both do. Watching your content always puts me in a happy place. Im sure ive seen all yoir videos. Anyway, please dont give up. Theres so much you could do on this platform. The possibilities are endless. This is a little off topic but do you ever do meet and greets? Anyway much love from alastair and april
Thank you! If you ever see me in public you should say hi!
We would definitely be flipping out if we saw you out in the wild
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA wait, do you guys go outside?
The anti-trans post is cringe, but the most incorrect thing it said was that you go to metal shows to get away from losers.
getting away from losers to meet up with other losers
I realise the more I watch Finn, the more I like metal. Especially power metal.
I seen suicide silence back in 2009 in Fayetteville NC on the music as a weapon tour, they were absolutely flawless. I was up front and Mitch was going tf in..like always
RIP Mitch
I suspect the “rich jock” thing came from Earth Crisis; for some people vegan equals rich.
I can tell you that in the early 90s upper middle class jocks in the suburbs north of NYC definitely loved straight edge hardcore. It was particularly big in Catholic schools too.
I actually like these people so no hate from me but that might be where this stereotype started.
I predict bands like Lakeview are going to be pretty big, or at least influential. Let me tell you from experience, small town people LOVE that butt-rock/radio-metalcore sound. Mix that with a bit of a country twist and you have a formula that's going to make red-state rock festivals go wild. It's not my cup of tea, but I'm willing to bet that sound is going to stick around for a while
I grew up in Newark NJ, in the shadow of NYC. This was the late 80’s and early 90’s when hardcore, punk and metal shows at Pipeline, City Gardens, CBgB, etc… were under $10. ALL INCLUSIVE!!!!
The dude that shouted out Casey Jones gets a round of applause from me. That band was a fun phase of my life
Casey Jones was so damn good
I now miss any of your videos that DON'T contain video clip of "Here's the thing!"
In my experience, the rich jocks where I went to school listened to rap and EDM
Man, that I thought that Lakeview band was actually a joke. Wild to see everyone in the chat saying it is good.
Okay, so I wasn’t rich or a jock, but my girlfriend was a cheerleader when I fronted a hc band in 2001. I don’t know where everyone’s from, but a lot of the Long Island kids fit that stereotype, though.
I’ve been to several concerts post-transition and they were all indie, punk rock, folk, and pop punk. I felt safe in all those places. I would never go to a metal concert because every metal head I’ve ever met gives weird vibes. They’re the “nicest person ever” until they find out you are part of XYZ demographic they hate.
finn staying up late, probably his kid isnt letting him sleep
People who claim metal shouldn't be inclusive are making fools of themselves. If they knew anything about metal, they'd know there is PLENTY of inclusivity in many subgenres.
My issue with that last part too is judging all metal fans simply because one was anti-trans on Twitter
The mainstream pop punk revival may have fizzled, but bands like No Pressure and Heart Attack Man aren’t sliding off my playlists any time soon.
Can't get enough No Pressure
that s/t album from 2022 is excellent
I use Spotify on an Android. Feel so conflicted.
Same
Androids just have way more options tbh. Google Pixel phones, which use an Android OS, are just as expensive but they're way more intuitive and have better features imo.
@@skippy8696 I do wish Androids were more intuitive, but they're so much cheaper than iphones, and have better features. For a while each generation of iphone seemed like a genuine upgrade, but for the last few years only the camera seems to have gotten better. I've never tried a Google Pixel.
we were all poor and we all loved hardcore
split parents, left home by 16, working under table, some on the way to addiction, 80% quit school or got GED, no cars just get on a bus to that hard core show out near the storage unit in an industrial area
I foresaw the pop-punk revival fizzling out quickly once I noticed everyone was in a race to hop on the bandwagon. Almost the whole industry changed their sound overnight
Rich jock here, I’m straight edge and I can’t keep this facade up please invite me to you’re barbecue
I don't know man, every hardcore dude on Long Island lived in a house 4x the size of my parents spot.
17:17 I wouldn't say all that too soon. Definitely older metalheads could be more ignorant and pose a risk to transgender metal fans. However, you can't overlook the new generation of bands and fans. Fans of Sanguisugabogg or 200 stab wounds are anywhere between 15-25 years old, and have been nothing but supportive to their trans acquaintances in my experience. Metal might suck for the reasons Finn gives but the newer generation is definitely coming in and changing the narrative.
That’s because 200 and Bogg come from the hardcore scene
No telling how many times I heard a 19 yr old beat down kid talking about how his parents took him to the tattoo shop to get sleeves. Then say “Yeah bro. If you can’t take getting kicked in the face then don’t come to hardcore shows” and then watch as him, and his 10 friends use brass knuckles to send two kids to the hospital for absolutely no reason other than the fact that they didn’t know them, and because they saw them smoke weed. So ‘haaadcore’. Failed football quarterbacks that got into chunky buttmetal from their gym bro. They’re just waiting for next semester at whatever Ivy League. Hardcore is 80s style punk. Not beat down bro metal. Nor pop punk. Or “skate” punk as some call it. Fuckn fantasy football bullshit.
7:41 The difference between the shitty pop punk revival stuff from a couple years ago and the classic pop punk is easy: The new stuff all used the same cadence as the new hip hop/trap (plus auto tune for the singing challenged). Pop punk is about coming up with original melodies, which the new stuff didn't do at all. Am I the only one that heard this?????
I knew a lot of working class hardcore kids who played sports (myself included). Poor schools didn't have funding for arts, so athletics was a popular outlet for fucked up kids. But I think the real reason people call hardcore kids "jocks" is because they are usually clean cut and wear normal clothes, and to the brooding dorks that's a "jock" to them. It's funny, because that's literally a big part of what separates hardcore punk from other punk. Raw, violent music and shows without the pageantry of punk fashion.
Jesus Christ that suicide silence song was horrendous
All that new pop punk stuff was just completely inauthentic trash. No surprise it didn’t last, no one really liked it in the first place.
Real Question: Does the attractive woman go for someone listening to billboard charting music on Apple Music on an Android, or does she go for someone listening to slam on Spotify on an iPhone
Thats a great question
She goes for the higher status man
Slamming grindcore on the latest. Iphone with paid spotify is crazy
@@PaballoKobe-xh9ve ngl I caught myself doing this at the gym and asked myself "wtf am I doing with my life" -- true story
i just wanted to say, i find it very very stupid that people dislike someone based on the very tame opinions of his on music, just because he has an actual audience. i also want to say, i'd rather watch videos about topic i dont know anything about and had no prior interest than something that i already know about, because your format is entertaining to me. i know the clicks of the fans on the video are very valuable, but at the very least there'd be no harm in balancing two types of videos. i dont know how much less of a revenue you get from the videos that you enjoy making, but i think they're still worth making even if it's mostly for your mental health, because if it will hurt, then the quality of all of the videos will suffer too. i dont agree with you sometimes too but if i agreed on everything, it would just be boring to watch tbh. there's not a person on earth that doesnt have some kind of hot or even shitty takes, and i think that's alright, there's nothing wrong with it even if you're technically wrong on something. discussions are fun because there's not a single perspective on life. if everyone thought the same thing, nobody would talk about anything ever, because what's the point. i honestly found myself feeling way better when i stopped responding to everyone i found wrong on some level, technical or moral, too. some opinions you can see are just fueled by negative energy or feelings, there's no point of talking with such people.
Here here!
Feel like the hardcore is for the rich comment was aimed at the Long Island hardcore kids 😂 anyone from the 5 boroughs back in the early 2010s hated when they’d come around to a show in Brooklyn or the Bronx
Hardcore as a music genre is not about rich jocks.
I agree with Finn on this one.
Hardcore music is working class art, and I dare say, anti-jock.
There is alot of muscle heads and martial artists in the hardcore scene. Are they really jocks?
@08:56 i would say there are 2 scenes almost though the suburban and college kids but they are not rich often just upper middle and middle class then you have the city kids who are into hc and i dont know anymore but in the 90s and early 2000s would have crews and families and were pretty chill but if you messed with them would hand out beatings alot of those kids lived hard lives for real and there are definitely not bands in hardcore who are getting rich thats for damn sure
Hardcore is supposed to be for the poor dysfunctional losers, but buddy IT’S been gentrified as hell. You look at ticket/merch prices as well as the aesthetic and tell me it’s not for rich dudes that want to be hard.
Knocked Loose and Stray from the path 🔔
@@EncoreASMRthe last bastions in the modern era
It’s funny how Fin still thinks hardcore is this scary place for tough guys that people are scared to go to and that’s the only reason they say anything negative about it. Even tik tok girls go to hardcore shows now lol
@@sevel7556right?
No no, I can listen to the music: The whole band is racist, most likely die hard fans of Germany between 1933 and 1945, but it is not in their music. So no problem at all, I can listen to that stuff. Yup, metalheads.
The ideal rich jock weightroom soundtrack is Rage Against the Machine with the lyrics converted to Simlish. Jocks rarely if ever choose to listen to aggressive rock outside of the weight room, but they'll nod their heads along if a dork like me puts it on.
That being said, I don't think the hardcore fanbase is all poor people either. Probably runs the gamut from poor to upper middle class. Straightedge in particular is obviously an overreaction to familial problems with addiction and addiction affects people in all walks of life.
I pay for RUclips premium for many reasons (worth it 100%) so naturally I use RUclips music since it is included. Highly underrated. Its really a bonus having a comment section on the songs you listen to, really helps you connect more to the music because you can Interact with other listeners
I honestly feel like the “rich suburb jocks” gravitate more to metalcore based on what I’ve seen. But like who cares rich kids listen to chief keef as well I don’t understand the argument
Plus, mike judge who is one of the fathers of straight edge hardcore, would probably punch you for calling him a Rich jock kid
Maybe 10 years ago, now they all claim they were always super duper into hardcore and hide their old straightened hair pics
Deftones is Fins favorite band.
And soad
😂 yeah he won't admit it
#facts
Lol i had a good laugh listening through my Android.
Also hardcore and punk always has been, at least to me, the scene for weirdos and blue collars.
Lakeview is for americans what powermetal is for europeans
The trust fund kids that are into alternative stuff are the crust Punks and hippies 😂😂 not hardcore kids
Spotify is the android. Apple Music users had iTunes. It’s always been Apple, iPods and music together. Haters gonna hate
Unexpected surprise to see Those Who Fear pop up in the vid. Great band, Unholy Anger is still a flawless album.
Saying that hardcore is for jocks is just funny to say for some reason lol
Finn, I’m from California and you know the most obscure cities like Dana Point/ Modesto lol.
Modesto isn’t that obscure
@@deathbat93rn i mean for people that don’t live in California it’s pretty unknown.
I have pretty let-wing political views and it's weird how much people project prejudices onto you just because you're a conservative. Nothing in your content has ever even hinted that you hate lgbtq+ people, racial minorities, or women. You hate upper middle class urban liberals and anyone that reminds you of your teenaged self.
Yes lol
Rich jocks??? I had no idea nickelback went hardcore 🤔
Father Finn the goat
Garza talked about this on his podcast with Tallah. Jared dines reaction cost them money.
link plz
Finn sums up the difference between hardcore and metal perfectly. It's why I say I listen to metal but my ethos is based in hardcore
same, i like the black metal but not gonna step in a black metal show, although for a weird reason, new black metal fans are super lgbt sjdjjdjf but the old guys, get them out
HardCore is Biohazard MadBall Merauder HardCore is Underground Music from New York and Skater Hardcore is typically from la for example Excel sometimes it’s from different places
This guy tries so hard to be punk all the while being a lamo metalhead
McCunty bowing to the lgbt god, smh 🗑️
Why would hardcore be for the rich when the tickets to the shows are the cheapest lol
$70 merch is for the people!
Saw Harms Way on the thumbnail and was in. Love harms way
(Edit) just finished the whole video and no Harms Way😢 what a strip tease
You spoke some good hardcore scene truth, here.
There were never any rich jocks at shows. They were too busy hanging out with the girls I wanted to date.😂
I'm glad you mentioned the distinction between hardcore and metal scenes. In hardcore, everybody was welcome. We were all a bunch of dysfuntional dorks figuring things out. Christians, atheists, edgers, stoners, vegans, anarchists, etc. could all hang out and get along. You did not see that kind of thing at metal shows.
Their was a sort of truth to the "rich kid" element of hardcore fans in the UK before the age of streaming and everyone being connected to the internet in the sense of the music wasn't made to be accessible so to hear about anything that wasn't your friends local band you'd have to have access to the internet, same with buying merch, CDs, vinyl etc, if you wanted to buy something by an obscure band in California for example you'd have to be able to get on a computer to buy it as well as be able to afford the shipping to get it to you, doesn't mean you had to be living in a castle rich but their was a sort of financial barrier to entry back then
Here is the thing... :D
HERE'S THE THING
Bro he has to do it at the beginning too caught me off guard almost choked on my food 🤣 boss man about to find me dead
Loads of trans and gay people at metal shows in the UK. No discrimination going on that I’ve ever seen
Trans and gay are not the same thing fyi
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA really? I had no idea. Thanks for the tip
@@FinnMckentyPRMBAwe get it dude you’re woke 😂
Finn really “uhm acktually”’d 🤓
@@FinnMckentyPRMBAalso here in israel because the punk/hardocore scene and metal scene are very close there are a lot of trans people in metal shows. (Not all metalheads here are cool, there are still a lot of transphobe right wingers but for mostly everyone is chill)
@@MaxWhiteArabiLouisiana worried you'll like what you see a little too much?
Ya know who I never saw at any Knights of Columbus or Youth Center shows? people with money or anything going on in life...
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Arizona is full of rich hardcore kids lol
Goat
I never got the hate for Doris from SS . Guess that track was always a guilty pleasure of mine.
I'm a Death Metal Vocalist and songwriter I agree Metal need more acceptablety !!!! More musical mixing please !!!!
Nah, no thanks. There’s already enough genre mixing in metal. At some point, you’re trying to serve a burger with ice cream on it. Like burgers and ice cream are both good, but in different contexts and never when they’re combined.
@@BasedHyperborean Well put !!!
My favorite Metal band is KITTIE all girl Death Metal / Nu Metal Epic !!!
We need more culture community social like "F" Evil Hippies !!!
All people all welcome what I meant to say !!!
@@taolinnegar9961I mean, I don’t disagree with that. But the whole “metal is racist/bigoted/whatever” discourse is tired in my opinion. Like it’s dominated by a certain demographic because it appeals more to a certain demographic. Trying to force some sort of postmodernist definition of diversity just doesn’t work with most things. Some people are just naturally drawn to specific things, and those people being heavily represented in that thing’s community isn’t bigotry. Imagine someone saying “there are too many black people in the rap industry, the rap industry is racist.”
Same energy as calling metal racist or sexist.
@@BasedHyperborean Yeah but that doesn't mean I or anyone, should give up on bringing a new open-minded community, I know Metal is prominently toxic/sexiest/raisist ect...
But as a Second Generation Muso...
My parent's had a band called SnakeShed 80's Acid Rock Blue's Fusion... I won't give up on Metal !!!!
@@BasedHyperboreanWelp just because some white people's bands popularized the genre doesn t mean it s music for white people only...and also, Jimmy hendrix is hugely responsible for getting rock mainstream and he s just one example of other "races" rockers. With this mentality, metal is dead forever
This Lakeview song slots right into your Belmont Country Girl tastes
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Saddens me so much that the younger gens have zero clue of the best bands which orignated genres. NOT ONE mentioned a band like Minor Threat, Uniform Choice, etc. while talking about Straight Edge in the Chat. Meanwhile, I didn't recognize a single band they were praising. SERIOUSLY makes me very sad. Transfer that to anything. Most of the young gens have zero clue who built what they take for granted today, & the hard work &/or suffering which went into it. Much less how to maintain & actually improve it. It all just appeared like magic, & was always there. Bodes VERY WELL for our future. God, have mercy on, & help us. 😢
You clearly weren't into the northeast hardcore scene that was LOADED with rich jocks, especially in the 90's when this shit was more popping in the larger culture. And by "hardcore jocks" I mean like giant kids with behavioral disorders who couldn't memorize football plays.
I feel like the Lakeview Mommycore fans are slightly different than what you described. I think they DEFINITELY voted for Trump, but I think they got red pilled after getting pregnant and that caused them to vote Trump. I think she's more of a Tim Pool conservative than a Fox News conservative. These women were definitely Democrats when they were young, and traveling into the city in a jam packed ten year old Honda Accord to see hardcore shows a couple times a month. She probably grew up with Christian parents but she was agnostic or atheist, and she got "saved" after her questionable party phase in her late teens and early twenties. This woman is definitely guzzling the Fox News and Newsmax KoolAid post 40 though. No doubt about it.
Your take on the metal crowd is so damn right. In my late teens and early 20's in the early to mid 2000's I was one of those weirdos with shoulder length black hair who exclusively wore blue skinny Hollister girl jeans with black converse and black T-Shirts from bands like Bane, Terror, Comeback Kid, Every Time I Die, Poison The Well, Norma Jean, etc. And there were so many times where I got punched in the face by a metal head in the pit at shows and/or called an "emo fggt" at pretty much every venue here in Fort Lauderdale/Miami.
I often go to metal shows at a particular heavy metal bar in Salt Lake City Utah and get nothing but love from the bands as well as the venue owners. I am/we are openly trans. People know not to fuck with us. We've even played a local metal festival and have been fine. If that commenter or anyone that thinks that way wants to approach me with their opinions about my presence, feel free.
First show i'd gone to in years back in 2018: Revocation, Rivers of Nihil, Exhumed, & Yautja in KC, MO and there was clearly a strong gay presence in the metal community there. it was refreshing and better than i anticipated. because, i really just care about having a good time and enjoying some good music- not "who's banging who"
Metal is actually quite inclusive... the "Metal God" is Rob Halford... enough said. (I'm not even going to mention Mark Free (aka Marcie Free now) from King Cobra and the 80s hair metal androginy)
It's weird to hear the metal/hardcore take for me because my personal experience has been kind of flipped. Like I've met hardcore dudes who were openly racist and homophobic but, my state's metal scene, is very open and I've met multiple LGBTQ+ people and anti-fascists in it. Not saying shit heads don't exist because they do, but it just doesn't quite seem like a fair take
GTFO! Those who fear is one of my favorite bands and know one ever brings them up. Can't believe this came up. Fyi just found TWF this year 24.
Hardcore is for anyone who is searching for an outlet other than dope and hanging out with self hating beta's. I've even had issues with so called punks because they spout that dumb shit. Like Finn said one time- "I'd rather hang out with the dudes from a straight edge band than the guys who hang out bumming money behind the store for alcohol". Something like that....if those are my choices I would agree.........coming from someone who was a bum and alcoholic/junkie at one time. 10 years sober this May.
The genre that seems to accept trans-people is like industrial or goth…
Stoner and nu metal too in the recent years
Rich no but the main reason I got into hardcore is guys on my high school wrestling team were into it most of whom were safely middle class.
The only way I listen to music is youtube and then download if its good. Never tried apple, Spotify, or whatever app is trending now.
I'll have you know I'm a working class (i.e poor) jock (actually a somewhat muscular working class dork) and I almost exclusively listen to toughguy hardcore, so checkmate atheist.
How can you just stereotype an entire group like metalheads as being racist and transphobic finn? Dude I'm lifelong metalhead who also goes to hardcore shows as well by the way. I don't have a racist or transphobic bone in my body nor does anyone in my local metal scene. We have tons of LGBT people who go to shows and play in bands. They do everything we do and we're all friends. This is just bullshit finn. We all oppose racism and transphobia. You pick one isolated instance and act like we all agree with this guy and it couldn't be further from the truth.