"that's not our product, that's YOUR product" that's what every other corporation is trying to erase from our heads. We don't own anything anymore. Thank you, framework, my next laptop is going to be a framework laptop.
This product is not the solution as the price is absurd. I change my laptops every 7 years. I can buy 3 laptops with similar spec for the price they currently charge. This means I would have to change nothing on the laptop for 21 years for it to be somewhat worth it money wise. Now if you look at the products from 20 years ago, they look nothing like today, this laptop would not be able to follow the technilogies. Finally, if that is the start price there is no way replacement part would come cheap and now that you are force to use their product it might even be worse.
@@TheRealLecchoapples and oranges. You are talking about replacing a whole laptop every 7 years, whereas the point of framework is that you don’t need to. If in 7 years you find you need a performance boost you swap out the main board, if your port requirements have changed you can just replace them, etc. As he said, it’s about longevity of the product not frequently milking consumers for the cost of a whole new device.
How's that crazy? he just forgot the keys. I have the same problem all the time. Sometimes I also fail to remember if I own the place but that's Ok people usually help you with that
If framework ever starts to make modular phones I will be buying one IMMEDIATELY. They're one of the few companies these days that I really have a lot of respect for. Cheers
I think a Framework and Google collaboration would go great together for developing a modular phone. They've got all the stuff in place for it to work out great if Framework acted as an active design consultant for a joint modular Pixel design. Google already started and they need a large manufacturer to get chips from.
well they have Linus of LTT as investor... pretty sure they are in good hands (Linus did say he will divest if he thinks they are shitting things up, during one of the pre-investment WAN show episode)
@@tvm73827To be more specific, I would say the boards of highly successful companies tend to be controlled by large financial institutions, which exist to extract as much value as possible and return it to their investors. At Google, Larry and Sergei became embroiled in scandal and stopped fighting off the parasites. Tech companies create long-term value that's bard to measure. This is not necessarily the fate of all public companies but requires a strong executive team to avoid.
Nirav and Framework are a case study in creating a great business that puts the customers, the environment and the engineers that make it face-first and honestly it's a very refreshing break from the almost "single-use" nature of consumer hardware. This is the first time in a while I've been excited for consumer hardware and they couldn't start shipping to my country soon enough.
Please make it available worldwide. I’m in Kazakhstan, and I just ordered a prev-gen ThinkPad T14 from a local reseller because at least it has a RAM slot and upgradable SSD. I’d give the Framework Laptop a shot if it were available here.
Most of us that are very interested in this company, just have desktops. We love that we can get a good repairable laptop to possibly even game on but yah, I’m just glad the next gamer generation can start their journey with a very good laptop.
Don't feel too guilty, Framework themselves have said that they would rather you keep your current device as long as possible before buying one of theirs, since their whole thing is keeping e-waste down.
You should not have to feel guilty for not buying Framework hardware. You should feel guilty for buying Apple hardware, or HP hardware, or Microsoft hardware, or Samsung hardware, or any of the known closed-source hardware producers. They are the cause of soo many, soo many problems. Just for their profits.
This has sooo much potential. I really hope Framework can scale-up and totally disrupt the industry. The 16 will probably be my next laptop. Seems like a legit righteous company, one that I'd like to see succeed. I hate how wasteful and anti-consumer the electronics industry has become. It needs to be brought-down and made to heel.
I always have the feeling that people who use too much jargon or try too hard to appear smart usually aren't that bright. He's an engineer with an eye for business
@@oblivion_2852it's the Feynman technique. It's like you explain it to someone and then ask them back what you explained and don't blame the other person for not understanding if they can't explain it back.
This guy has rolled really well, and not only has gotten high stats in intelligence, but wisdom and charisma as well. I hope his luck doesn't run out, that he is able to power through, and is agile enough to dodge any traps or pitfalls this industry holds. It's an absolutely magical product and I believe it would very positively contribute to the health of our ecosystems and the value of our technology space. May the experience of his previous successful endeavours forward into the future.
Another thing i realized is that framework main business may become the selling of mainboards. The Laptops being the main atractive product, but the mainboards being so small and versatile. Just makes them incredibly valuable for thinkerers. Licensing the use of the Mainboards for independent hardware will be cool.
@@whatilearnttoday5295 Well, yes, my brain is still wired in the old way when talking about business. What we also need is for framework products to ramp up and get cheaper!
@@Splarkszter None of these types of businesses are truly open. You always need to join their "Association" or "Federation" or whatever they call it. You always need to agree to their terms and even pay them money.
S tier content and editing as ever. Can't wait for the algorithm to bring more people to your channel. Loving every episode I see! Love the framework laptop as a concept, I'd definitely be interested in a more modular personal laptop.
He is definitely in the algo, for a few weeks now. The 'if you like x you may like y" algo, for i assume UndecidedWithMatt and TwoBitDaVinci since i only save search on my tv cookies, logged out...
Well done, one of the first channels, subbed without needing to watch others in the channel, enjoyed the format, let the subject do the talking and opinion piece at the end. Perfect.
Just got to say I love my Framework 13 so far. I have had it going on a year now and its held up amazing and even runs Linux like a dream. Can't say thank you enough to the team at framework for giving me my right to ownership back. I hope one day they make a smart phone to got with it.
This is a fantastic idea. I'm not ready to buy a new laptop yet, but I would definitely put this at the top of my list to consider for my next machine. If this catches on and sales start bleeding from companies like Microsoft and Apple, it might eventually force them to stop locking people out of their own computers and allow them to repair and upgrade them, you know, like it used to be.
I love my Framework laptop 13! I bought the first model with the Intel chip and just upgraded it to the Ryzen CPU with more RAM. It's so cool to get a faster computer without actually paying for a whole new computer.
I’ve been saying for a decade that there will be a new line of successful products based on the idea of “right to repair”. Now someone needs to build a car that doesn’t require you to take it to the dealership to change a damn headlight, brake light, spark plugs, starter, heater core or any of a number of things that used to be easy to replace on any car fifty years ago. Some cars even bury their battery so you can’t get to it. Ridiculous. Consumers need to punish manufacturers by refusing to buy vehicles purposely engineered to be taken to the shop for everything.
was just introduced to this yesterday from my computer repair tech who is 1000% into framework. I love this concept and am ordering my frame work laptop. So tired of shoddy manufacturing. My HP laptop hinges broke and now its useless to use and need a new computer.was looking at Best buy for macs and Pcs and after seeing the framework computers I am a believer
soceted CPU's would be nice and/or a framework version of the old thinkpad 410 or 440 or whatever that last good one was... like one not so focused on being so slim i guess, but mainly the socketed cpu would be awesome
Yeah, a larger framework laptop with a real sturdy frame and more cooling space would be bonkers. I'm passively eyeing the 16 for now, but if there'd be a framework thick boy on the market in a year or two, I'll definitely be buying
What good timing, my framework 16 finally just arrived... and today the algorithm pushed me this video! Great editing man, I've done several framework vids and I truly think they are the most exciting company of this decade. The vision and the products are unlike anything out there rn. 👏
We gotta get your channel to blowup, been loving your work! It's refreshing to have the subjects/founders walkthrough and breakdown the processes from their point of view. Having them tell the story without interruptions is pretty engaging. Especially when the CEO has to break into his own office. 😂 I hope that makes sense, your production of telling the stories is brilliant 🍻
We loved the idea. Put about 75 out in our fleet. A year later....NOT happy. Drivers issues, screen issues, etc etc. Want 16 inch cause everyone wants a 10-key. 6-9 months out. Gonna go back to LG grams
Don't go the same route as MacBooks! Please bring back the touchpad buttons and separate PgUp, PgDown, Home, and End keys to your laptops. Without them laptops are useless for people who do professional work such as programming, UI design, graphics design etc.
The Surface Book was my worst computer purchase ever! I have advocated for these kind of products for years, and I'm glad this company is making it a reality.
I love the idea of customisable hardware, but for me personally I want the best components that market has to offer. If I can build a laptop that looks a sexy as a MacBook (nice chassis, great display, amazing speakers) and has a smooth OS, then I'm in. I imagine many people feel this way.
Coolermaster made a tiny case to put it in so you can vesa mount it to a monitor and make an AiO-kinda machine. A youtube channel called Elevated Systems put one inside of a mechanical keyboard. The framework is designed to be made and hacked by anyone. And if someone doesn't make exactly what you need, you can do it yourself. This is why this is a game changer.
@@devnol I like DIYing but I also want to see this company continue to make great products and I think the configuration market is something that they could easily tap into without hurting the DIY market. I'm worried that they may go the way of pebble and otherwise reach too high of a saturation with the consumer with out releasing a substantially new product.
@@kirmie44 Different enclosures and cases isn't really part of their product design lineup, that's where partners like coolermaster and users on 3d printing repositories come into play. As for the pebble analogy, those guys died because they failed to innovate when competition like fitbit and apple leapfrogged them in 2014. Framework is way ahead of the curve here and their business model is fairly well laid-out. Also, if competition appeared for framework that would actually mean they've achieved their goal which is to encourage and motivate sustainable products. I can't imagine someone like hp would want to follow that model but if they did that would actually be pretty good to see.
@@devnol there are a lot of people who would switch to a Pebble today if they could. They weren't leapfrogged. Their product line up just wasn't that diverse, causing them to run into the oversaturation problem (similar prob TV manufactures ran into in the 2010s). No one wants to buy a new watch every year. Framework is going to have a similar issue. Having partners create components is a neat business model but not many are picking up the torch. A 3D printed main board case is a drop in the bucket for the configuration diversity this Framework can support. I also don't think they are mutually exclusive. If framework creates some 1st party configuration options, it could show the potential. I think a chunkier 13 with a drive bay for a DVD player and a touch screen are 2 easy first party options. I think an Otter Box Style Chassis (military grade durability or something) is a great 3rd Party option. What I think would be a bad decision is to leave all configuration options as Bespoke DIY components. Those are great and should be an option but they are very limiting in market appeal and with hamper Frameworks ability to reach a broader audience.
@@devnol also, your last point there. I think this could be trickier than you think. Other manufacturers are very much able to play the oligopoly and phane repairability in the mean time til framework goes under, then reverse. I want frameworks mission to survive along with the company. I don't think you can keep one without the other. With my pebble analogy, they were tge reason smart watches gained popularity. You could argue that their mission was complete with the diversity of smart watch products available. However, there isn't anything quite like pebble on left on the market. If framework disappears, other companies might become more repairable, but the upgradeability framework offers would never be matched
They need to make the laptop screen a detachable tablet. Take everything out of the bottom and put it behind the screen (which should be touchscreen), and treat the bottom like a disconnectable dock. Give it its own battery, GPU, and ports. Basically like a Surface Pro on steroids, that’s repairable. That would be the perfect device!
That looks great for cleaning which is important for someone who lives in a dusty urban area and needs to use the blower every few months. My touch my clicker is stuck right now 😅
I would love to see a really applicable version of the external GPUs. Imagine you have a 16gb laptop with an integrated cpu, take it home and plug it into a pcie dock and restart, youve got a full gaming/workstation setup without trying to put a chunky graphics card inside a laptop or spending thousands on a laptop or a laptop and PC separately.
hope there will be more modularity some day, so you can change parts for use cases, consume media - minimalist tablet mode, working off grid, additional battery pack, working with external monitor and next to a power outlet, a docking station with external video card and additional storage to be connected to, need more data storage, connect a module with additional drives...easy peasy just click it in, when the cpu/igpu/npu combo becomes obsolete replace only that unit but continue using all the other compatible components as they connect directly to the machine not only using connecting ports and external peripherals.....also with big hands a collapsible full sized keyboard would be nice and external mice that could be a part of the chassis /like the legion gaming pad design/
I have had my AMD 13 for a bit now. It's amazing enough that my wife nearly got one but she went with a MacBook M3 15" due to workflow. (Plus a chunky discount through work) Framework gets the bits of the 16 right, through that regular iteration, they're cementing their place here.
This is a great idea in theory but for the price of their base model laptop with pretty modest specs you can get an i9 GTX 4060 gaming laptop from Costco. Why would I spend more money for an inferior product so I can spend more money later on to upgrade it to what that original product could have been?
I need lap top can easy replace part but no need super thin, thick of Apple lap top from year 2005-2008 is good for me. I use Apple 2007 Core Duo 16 years but break year 2023. Heavy work almost every day: programing, 3D Blender model and animación, create músic, edit and create sound effect, in hot tropic weather in An Giang 35°-37°. Easy replace battery but need remove many screw for open it and no people have part for fix it!
Ketzal Sterling started something like this in NZ (Called The Module Project) a few years back. Not just laptops, but his idea was for many more products.
TBH there's many people who started something like this, but Framework is the first to be this successful. tho let's see if the gaming laptop will have a second gen, since according to Linus of LTT it's always the OCM/ OEM that's screwing this kind of projects since they really like to be control... (one of the OEM for motherboards/ laptops had a similar concept of modularity but them screwed the pooch and the project got canned...)
I just wish it looked nicer and more premium. If it is something I'm gonna carry around for years, I don't want it to look like a 2018 Acer Chromebook... especially since I may be using it in 2034. I am willing to pay more for something upfront if I know it will last. the component swapping is only one part of the puzzle, you need a clean ageless design and something that looks solid and durable.
You're definitely paying for the ability to replace any part you want. Every customer will have to decide for themselves if Framework is charging more than they should, and should take into account that this is a small company, making a more complex product. It won't be cheap for a while.
@@benjaminoechsli1941Yeah, it's definitely going to take quite a while before economies of scale kick in. That's the paradox that they need a large install base to justify a lower price, but also people don't want to pay the early adoption tax.
Framework needs to design laptops that you would want to own today *before* considering whether you would still want to use it 10 years from now. Their failure to release important BIOS and firmware updates at the same consistency of other manufacturers makes using a Framework a big security risk. Their 12th gen Intel boards were especially bad. It means if you own a Framework, you actually need to upgrade more often if you want to still have a useable computer. I used to be very excited for this but unfortunately I don’t think Framework is the company that can deliver a repairable and sustainable laptop.
Value Framework: expensive upfront no matter you computer gonna break or not Evil counterpart: pay when it break Environment Retired Framework parts: only tiny group of Framework community may need or buy Evil companies computer retired: any one in the world who need a functioning computer may buy Future proofing Framework: platfrom with large overheads that the whole industry is moving away Evil counterpart: tightly integrated componts with higher performance and efficiency Greatest business idea in the world!
Value and Environment get solved as economies of scale kick in, future-proofing has already been proven since you can upgrade your existing laptop with a new mobo and on top of that folks have been able to use the older mobo to create embedded systems as a recycling option.
@@SomeNerd361 No, it doesnt. One of the motivations that the evil companies make laptop less/not repairable is the ecnomies of scale. They are cheaper to make than the modular one. He reinvents the wheel doesnt mean he can do better...it is not like he do anything innovative, he just use the old way to make laptops. In other video, they mentioned that, for the DIY kit, they need to assemble then dissemble the kit to ensure the kit can boost during QA. Do you think such labor intensed process can beat the fully autonomic process that evil companies are using? For the future proof of the devices itself, I am not sure if you understand the "future" he talking about is not such a far future. When a new product first come up, it usually has a couple of facelifts/versions before they make the next generation and reset the cycle. As he said in the video, the goal is to bridge the people who buy the earlier version to the last version (WITHIN A CYCLE). You should notice that this is not such a large window. Each version would only have incremental performance improvement and rarely any feature upgrade. So the upgrade is only sensible even from the performance standpoint when you have a very early of the computer and upgrade to the last version. And after this upgrade, there are is no "future" for the device. It is not like you put a 40series nvidia on a PCIe 3 slot can have much performance benefit due to the bandwith limitation. It is even less sensible in terms of economics as you have already paid overprice for the spec at the time and you need to buy an expensive part on top of that. And let me review how people who buy early version of evil laptop would do in this situation: wait and buy the next generation that offer real performance leap and new features. And I have no idea why would you call on you mobo station example "recyceling". You use TWO computer worth of materials to build TWO computer, and at the end of their lifes, you dispose TWO computers and create TWO computer worth of e-waste. You recycled nothing.
As a person who has built in past but now im a senior marketer and moved in to the business "Just get it done" mentality. I think the biggest things people want is longevity evidence. aka. Knowing it wont break like does it have a metal base?, the modular screen looks like an issue. Will it fall off all the time?, knowing its secure from a business standpoint, having like a dell subscription base model for them for their taxes so they can easily upgrade, they want things one and done, they want that 5 year warranty if possible but costs more, they want case studies of it working, they want to know they can get it to easily repair it/fix it. it has massive potential rather than forking out a new machine but i think so long as you can prove it wont fall apart or break if coffee is accidentally spilt. (its why i love the Asus tuff with metal base, all plastics have failed on my and fallen apart by year 4 just by using hinges). would love to work with you guys to help get it into that B2B space. Especially in Aus given i have worked with the channel(wholesalers) in Australia.
@@aniksamiurrahman6365 12th gen intel here, the laptop has had a few issues like the charger cable stripping and my HDMI expansion card not working, framework support worked great and shipped me replacement parts free of cost since I'm still in that 2 years warranty. The laptop itself is great, i love the keyboard. Works amazing on linux, every hardware it uses is supported. For gaming it's bad, the CPU overheats, thermal throttles easily and the integrated graphics are just not good for any 3d game. so i used the fact that all 4 ports are thunderbolt to buy a fairly old 1080 eGPU, now the only thing holding it back is the screen refresh rate which is 60hz but honestly there are very few games where i think it would help to have faster refresh rate. Battery: yeah i get like 6h on Linux, windows I don't know maybe i'd get 5, 7 or the same. The charger is small enough so that you can carry it in the laptop pouch which i highly recommend getting. Overall it's a dream machine, being able to open it up and see it is crazy satisfying and the screen is beautiful and bright enough. expanding its capabilities as i can afford or need is an amazing feature.
I love my 13 inch. I got it halfway through college when my MacBook died on me mid semester and I couldn’t fix it. It was a 2018 pro and SSD blew up. I loved it so much I gave it to my brother when he started college, and he loves it. He ordered some modules that made more sense to him, but he could do that.
@@yeezet4592 I doubt on the software support, since there's always an ARM translation program it could go for x86/ x64 programs. It's the native support that could take time...
I kinda want one i wish you could make a lower end version since that would really bring a new audience imagine being able to get something very cheap and then say replace the battery a bit later and maybe upgrade the cpu later since especially with linux u can run smth light
awesome hardware. also not pricey compared to other comparable laptops, that are e-Waste. but they still use insydeH2O firmware, I wish for coreboot adaption. a workaround would be the Framework Chromebook, which has a had keyboard which doesnt seem to be replaceable, and is currently out of stock.
I really hope they succeed and continue to stay in business. From my research, battery life is a little sub par as with performance vs price. But everything else considered, i absolutely love the direction this company is going and would gladly consider their 16" if/when I ever need to buy a new laptop. QMK RGB is awesome, alternate screen options would be cool and open source options to build your own keyboards (maybe hotswappable switches) and mousepads (using Cirque or similar touchpads) Good stuff Framework. A possible metal framed version could be nice as well. Look forward to what you all do.
if the components of this laptop grow obsolete, and you replace each component one by one until no one component is original, does this remain the identical laptop?
Wow, this guy is awesome! Cant wait for my framework 16, it will actually be 346% faster then my current laptop! Going with AMD for the first time in my life
for me at least it seems like framework are a lot more passionate and genuine than fairphone are. biggest issue is fairphone doing away with the headphone jack to then try and sell you their fairbuds, which are not repairable like any and all bluetooth earbuds. its a baffling decision
@@PrograErrorYou can't design a board until you have a processor. Developing a processor is EXPENSIVE and Framework isn't in the business of designing ASICs. There are plenty of companies working on RISC-V processors right now and they're gradually getting more powerful, but it's hard to overstate how HUGE of an undertaking it is to develop a high performance processor from scratch.
I own a framework 16! Got it the week preorders opened, to be entirely honest it would have made more financial sense to buy 2 mid-grade laptops 2 years apart instead of investing $1500 and change into a gen 1 ecosystem, but I haven’t regretted it for a second. It is the most beautifully over-engineered device I own.
How many times would you need to upgrade the laptop for it to pay for itself? Twice? Three times? The motherboard/CPU upgrade potential has to be worth something!
@@benjaminoechsli1941 Honestly, a gaming laptop with similar specs would cost around $850 or so on sale, ignoring the fact that most of them would have worse storage and ram. So I guess I only need to upgrade it once to get my moneys worth, and I could sell the old parts on eBay or the framework marketplace!
I loved this from it's inception having seen it on LTT. However, at it's current price point it is a high end device and beyond the budget of general users. Also, between the Right2Repair movements in Europe & the US, all tech will eventually be user upgradable due to concerns about e-waste and availability of materials. The EU has already passed legislation forcing tech companies to allow all electronic deivces to have user replaceable batteries.
Cool Idea and product. I do understand that problem with Apple and the limited ports. I’m not sure I would be a consumer these laptops are pretty heavy and much thicker than MacBooks. I don’t really see a problem with the current climate of higherend laptops. They seem to last very, very long term.
"that's not our product, that's YOUR product" that's what every other corporation is trying to erase from our heads. We don't own anything anymore. Thank you, framework, my next laptop is going to be a framework laptop.
Yeah, glad I saw this, its an idea that everyone wants!
@@ThunderStruck94660 And I'm willing to pay extra for it
This product is not the solution as the price is absurd. I change my laptops every 7 years. I can buy 3 laptops with similar spec for the price they currently charge. This means I would have to change nothing on the laptop for 21 years for it to be somewhat worth it money wise.
Now if you look at the products from 20 years ago, they look nothing like today, this laptop would not be able to follow the technilogies.
Finally, if that is the start price there is no way replacement part would come cheap and now that you are force to use their product it might even be worse.
@@TheRealLeccho Yeah, I just checked the price.....yawsa!
@@TheRealLecchoapples and oranges.
You are talking about replacing a whole laptop every 7 years, whereas the point of framework is that you don’t need to.
If in 7 years you find you need a performance boost you swap out the main board, if your port requirements have changed you can just replace them, etc.
As he said, it’s about longevity of the product not frequently milking consumers for the cost of a whole new device.
Bro the video start with the founder breaking into the building thats crazy!
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One thouasd that was unexpected. Thank you!
We forgot the keys!
true problem solver
LocksmithLawyer is a saint for helping people not buy junk locks 😅
How's that crazy? he just forgot the keys. I have the same problem all the time. Sometimes I also fail to remember if I own the place but that's Ok people usually help you with that
@user-em1nn4nv7j LMAO
If framework ever starts to make modular phones I will be buying one IMMEDIATELY. They're one of the few companies these days that I really have a lot of respect for. Cheers
Agreed
Yes!!
Fairphone already does that
I think a Framework and Google collaboration would go great together for developing a modular phone. They've got all the stuff in place for it to work out great if Framework acted as an active design consultant for a joint modular Pixel design. Google already started and they need a large manufacturer to get chips from.
@@EconaelGamingthey're repairable, but sadly not upgradable. Still cool, though.
I really hope they don't ever IPO. Because then we'll be back to square one pretty quickly.
You’re so right. Corporate greed kills off all good intentions. Google is a great example
well they have Linus of LTT as investor... pretty sure they are in good hands
(Linus did say he will divest if he thinks they are shitting things up, during one of the pre-investment WAN show episode)
@@PrograErrorSo he will just divest when the time comes then and tell everyone about it. If they're really that big it won't matter much
@@tvm73827To be more specific, I would say the boards of highly successful companies tend to be controlled by large financial institutions, which exist to extract as much value as possible and return it to their investors. At Google, Larry and Sergei became embroiled in scandal and stopped fighting off the parasites. Tech companies create long-term value that's bard to measure. This is not necessarily the fate of all public companies but requires a strong executive team to avoid.
@@rothn2 it could be a goo or a bad situation. He'll divest if they go a course he doesn't like
Jason couldn’t have wished for a better opening! Breaking into your own office! Loving S3!
Nirav and Framework are a case study in creating a great business that puts the customers, the environment and the engineers that make it face-first and honestly it's a very refreshing break from the almost "single-use" nature of consumer hardware. This is the first time in a while I've been excited for consumer hardware and they couldn't start shipping to my country soon enough.
Please make it available worldwide. I’m in Kazakhstan, and I just ordered a prev-gen ThinkPad T14 from a local reseller because at least it has a RAM slot and upgradable SSD. I’d give the Framework Laptop a shot if it were available here.
Same, it's unavalaible in my country unfortunetly
Same here, Brasil.
Now they're gonna make cars that you can't replace the tires on
who
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@@__systemctl__apple was gonna do it
Fortunately they failed.
@@__systemctl__ You know Tesla's gonna try, if they haven't already.
@@scheimong Tesla's basically become the Apple of cars... (I don't mean that as a compliment.)
I feel guilty for not yet buying a framework laptop, they're doing great work.
Most of us that are very interested in this company, just have desktops. We love that we can get a good repairable laptop to possibly even game on but yah, I’m just glad the next gamer generation can start their journey with a very good laptop.
Don't feel too guilty, Framework themselves have said that they would rather you keep your current device as long as possible before buying one of theirs, since their whole thing is keeping e-waste down.
You should not have to feel guilty for not buying Framework hardware.
You should feel guilty for buying Apple hardware, or HP hardware, or Microsoft hardware, or Samsung hardware, or any of the known closed-source hardware producers. They are the cause of soo many, soo many problems. Just for their profits.
@@yniwazai9877I don't have £1699 to blow on a laptop that is slower than one for £800. Also, I can repair a Lenovo pretty easily lol.
would've bought it but it's not even available in my country
This has sooo much potential. I really hope Framework can scale-up and totally disrupt the industry. The 16 will probably be my next laptop. Seems like a legit righteous company, one that I'd like to see succeed. I hate how wasteful and anti-consumer the electronics industry has become. It needs to be brought-down and made to heel.
Bought my Framework 13 a little over a month ago. I absolutely love it and hope to keep it forever!
The way he talks, you can tell that he’s smart. He doesn’t use words willy nilly. Doesn’t try to intimidate you with jargon. But you can just tell.
more like he's just technical...
I always have the feeling that people who use too much jargon or try too hard to appear smart usually aren't that bright. He's an engineer with an eye for business
@@oblivion_2852it's the Feynman technique. It's like you explain it to someone and then ask them back what you explained and don't blame the other person for not understanding if they can't explain it back.
He's extremely articulate, obv v smart. Typical C-suite personality.
This guy has rolled really well, and not only has gotten high stats in intelligence, but wisdom and charisma as well. I hope his luck doesn't run out, that he is able to power through, and is agile enough to dodge any traps or pitfalls this industry holds. It's an absolutely magical product and I believe it would very positively contribute to the health of our ecosystems and the value of our technology space. May the experience of his previous successful endeavours forward into the future.
Another thing i realized is that framework main business may become the selling of mainboards.
The Laptops being the main atractive product, but the mainboards being so small and versatile. Just makes them incredibly valuable for thinkerers. Licensing the use of the Mainboards for independent hardware will be cool.
I've got my eye on some many cyber deck and diy steam deck builds!
License? Just make it open.
@@whatilearnttoday5295 Well, yes, my brain is still wired in the old way when talking about business.
What we also need is for framework products to ramp up and get cheaper!
@@Splarkszter None of these types of businesses are truly open. You always need to join their "Association" or "Federation" or whatever they call it. You always need to agree to their terms and even pay them money.
If they play their cards right, it would not be surprising to see a Snapdragon Framework laptop in the near future with solid state cooling.
I don’t know how to describe this style of explainer product introduction but it’s honest and engaging and not patronizing. Good stuff!
S tier content and editing as ever.
Can't wait for the algorithm to bring more people to your channel. Loving every episode I see!
Love the framework laptop as a concept, I'd definitely be interested in a more modular personal laptop.
He is definitely in the algo, for a few weeks now. The 'if you like x you may like y" algo, for i assume UndecidedWithMatt and TwoBitDaVinci since i only save search on my tv cookies, logged out...
Well done, one of the first channels, subbed without needing to watch others in the channel, enjoyed the format, let the subject do the talking and opinion piece at the end. Perfect.
8:30 BASED CEO
Just got to say I love my Framework 13 so far. I have had it going on a year now and its held up amazing and even runs Linux like a dream. Can't say thank you enough to the team at framework for giving me my right to ownership back. I hope one day they make a smart phone to got with it.
Which Linux distro are you running?
Are you using the Intel or AMD version?
S3 COVERING FRAMEWORK WOOOO
I remember when Louis Rossman covered the company a little bit years ago, and now you!
This is a fantastic idea. I'm not ready to buy a new laptop yet, but I would definitely put this at the top of my list to consider for my next machine. If this catches on and sales start bleeding from companies like Microsoft and Apple, it might eventually force them to stop locking people out of their own computers and allow them to repair and upgrade them, you know, like it used to be.
These guys need to make flagship degoogled phones
Check out Fairphone series
YES PLEASE!
And printers, even though I know they don’t want to have to do that one 😜.
1. Buy a pixel or some chinese flagship.
2. Flash a custom rom.
3. Enjoy your 60% functional phone.
@@jaydeep-p 80% usable
@@jaydeep-p but those likely have hardware backdoors, it just feels too weird trusting a Google phone to put a privacy OS on it.
I love my Framework laptop 13! I bought the first model with the Intel chip and just upgraded it to the Ryzen CPU with more RAM. It's so cool to get a faster computer without actually paying for a whole new computer.
I’ve been saying for a decade that there will be a new line of successful products based on the idea of “right to repair”. Now someone needs to build a car that doesn’t require you to take it to the dealership to change a damn headlight, brake light, spark plugs, starter, heater core or any of a number of things that used to be easy to replace on any car fifty years ago. Some cars even bury their battery so you can’t get to it. Ridiculous. Consumers need to punish manufacturers by refusing to buy vehicles purposely engineered to be taken to the shop for everything.
I'm shocked at how high this video quality is for a channel of this size. You're killing it.
I like how they’re still using those deconstructed frameworks from the Next Level Event as little displays on the office wall
Please Patel. We need trackpoints of Lenovo equivalent quality. Do that, and hundreds of thousands of Thinkpad addicts will consider you.
Lenovo equivalent quality circa 2010, the trackpoints suck ass on the newer models.
@@mos6581com Sure, but any trackpoint is better than no trackpoint.
you could always just create your own framework compatible keyboard with track points/nub thing if you want. it's open source :p
@@mos6581com Any trackpoint is fine with me, and it works fine on my current, more recent, machine.
@@chimpo131 Well, no. Not gonna do that :)
was just introduced to this yesterday from my computer repair tech who is 1000% into framework. I love this concept and am ordering my frame work laptop. So tired of shoddy manufacturing. My HP laptop hinges broke and now its useless to use and need a new computer.was looking at Best buy for macs and Pcs and after seeing the framework computers I am a believer
This guy knows his stuff
Absolutely loooooove this idea! I'm in!
Yes! Glad to see more places covering them
soceted CPU's would be nice and/or a framework version of the old thinkpad 410 or 440 or whatever that last good one was... like one not so focused on being so slim i guess, but mainly the socketed cpu would be awesome
Yeah, a larger framework laptop with a real sturdy frame and more cooling space would be bonkers. I'm passively eyeing the 16 for now, but if there'd be a framework thick boy on the market in a year or two, I'll definitely be buying
What good timing, my framework 16 finally just arrived... and today the algorithm pushed me this video! Great editing man, I've done several framework vids and I truly think they are the most exciting company of this decade. The vision and the products are unlike anything out there rn. 👏
love the choice to go into the inside of the device from the "top". way more approachable
We gotta get your channel to blowup, been loving your work! It's refreshing to have the subjects/founders walkthrough and breakdown the processes from their point of view. Having them tell the story without interruptions is pretty engaging. Especially when the CEO has to break into his own office. 😂 I hope that makes sense, your production of telling the stories is brilliant 🍻
The founder is absolutely awesome. He is just "a it's locked, lets lockpick it". Wat a hands on person.
We loved the idea. Put about 75 out in our fleet. A year later....NOT happy. Drivers issues, screen issues, etc etc. Want 16 inch cause everyone wants a 10-key. 6-9 months out. Gonna go back to LG grams
Don't go the same route as MacBooks!
Please bring back the touchpad buttons and separate PgUp, PgDown, Home, and End keys to your laptops.
Without them laptops are useless for people who do professional work such as programming, UI design, graphics design etc.
The Surface Book was my worst computer purchase ever! I have advocated for these kind of products for years, and I'm glad this company is making it a reality.
I love the idea of customisable hardware, but for me personally I want the best components that market has to offer. If I can build a laptop that looks a sexy as a MacBook (nice chassis, great display, amazing speakers) and has a smooth OS, then I'm in. I imagine many people feel this way.
I think the OS part might be a problem... MS literally has monopoly unless you can go Linux distros...
What I really want to see is different chassis. Like an otter box one or one that has drive bays so you could install a CD player
Coolermaster made a tiny case to put it in so you can vesa mount it to a monitor and make an AiO-kinda machine. A youtube channel called Elevated Systems put one inside of a mechanical keyboard. The framework is designed to be made and hacked by anyone. And if someone doesn't make exactly what you need, you can do it yourself. This is why this is a game changer.
@@devnol I like DIYing but I also want to see this company continue to make great products and I think the configuration market is something that they could easily tap into without hurting the DIY market.
I'm worried that they may go the way of pebble and otherwise reach too high of a saturation with the consumer with out releasing a substantially new product.
@@kirmie44 Different enclosures and cases isn't really part of their product design lineup, that's where partners like coolermaster and users on 3d printing repositories come into play. As for the pebble analogy, those guys died because they failed to innovate when competition like fitbit and apple leapfrogged them in 2014. Framework is way ahead of the curve here and their business model is fairly well laid-out. Also, if competition appeared for framework that would actually mean they've achieved their goal which is to encourage and motivate sustainable products. I can't imagine someone like hp would want to follow that model but if they did that would actually be pretty good to see.
@@devnol there are a lot of people who would switch to a Pebble today if they could. They weren't leapfrogged. Their product line up just wasn't that diverse, causing them to run into the oversaturation problem (similar prob TV manufactures ran into in the 2010s). No one wants to buy a new watch every year. Framework is going to have a similar issue. Having partners create components is a neat business model but not many are picking up the torch. A 3D printed main board case is a drop in the bucket for the configuration diversity this Framework can support. I also don't think they are mutually exclusive. If framework creates some 1st party configuration options, it could show the potential. I think a chunkier 13 with a drive bay for a DVD player and a touch screen are 2 easy first party options. I think an Otter Box Style Chassis (military grade durability or something) is a great 3rd Party option. What I think would be a bad decision is to leave all configuration options as Bespoke DIY components. Those are great and should be an option but they are very limiting in market appeal and with hamper Frameworks ability to reach a broader audience.
@@devnol also, your last point there. I think this could be trickier than you think. Other manufacturers are very much able to play the oligopoly and phane repairability in the mean time til framework goes under, then reverse. I want frameworks mission to survive along with the company. I don't think you can keep one without the other.
With my pebble analogy, they were tge reason smart watches gained popularity. You could argue that their mission was complete with the diversity of smart watch products available. However, there isn't anything quite like pebble on left on the market. If framework disappears, other companies might become more repairable, but the upgradeability framework offers would never be matched
Breaking into the building due to forgetting the keys at the beginning is the best opening!
Not the founder breaking into his own office💀
They need to make the laptop screen a detachable tablet.
Take everything out of the bottom and put it behind the screen (which should be touchscreen), and treat the bottom like a disconnectable dock.
Give it its own battery, GPU, and ports. Basically like a Surface Pro on steroids, that’s repairable.
That would be the perfect device!
That looks great for cleaning which is important for someone who lives in a dusty urban area and needs to use the blower every few months. My touch my clicker is stuck right now 😅
Don't tell me, planned obsolescence and yearly subscriptions?
Sits down to watch.
Yess love this, will be a customer.
Fair initial assumption tbh !
I saw a smart looking guy at the airport with a computer with a gear on the front. This answers everything. Awesome
Yeah, so finally allow shipping to Switzerland and add the CH keyboard. The layout is confirmed a long time ago by the community.
I would love to see a really applicable version of the external GPUs. Imagine you have a 16gb laptop with an integrated cpu, take it home and plug it into a pcie dock and restart, youve got a full gaming/workstation setup without trying to put a chunky graphics card inside a laptop or spending thousands on a laptop or a laptop and PC separately.
hope there will be more modularity some day, so you can change parts for use cases, consume media - minimalist tablet mode, working off grid, additional battery pack, working with external monitor and next to a power outlet, a docking station with external video card and additional storage to be connected to, need more data storage, connect a module with additional drives...easy peasy just click it in, when the cpu/igpu/npu combo becomes obsolete replace only that unit but continue using all the other compatible components as they connect directly to the machine not only using connecting ports and external peripherals.....also with big hands a collapsible full sized keyboard would be nice and external mice that could be a part of the chassis /like the legion gaming pad design/
i have a framework 16 and I'm happy i bought it! :D
I'd be interested to see if framework can re-envision the mobile phone with the same fantastic reuse/recycle/repurpose concepts :)
I have had my AMD 13 for a bit now. It's amazing enough that my wife nearly got one but she went with a MacBook M3 15" due to workflow. (Plus a chunky discount through work) Framework gets the bits of the 16 right, through that regular iteration, they're cementing their place here.
This is a great idea in theory but for the price of their base model laptop with pretty modest specs you can get an i9 GTX 4060 gaming laptop from Costco. Why would I spend more money for an inferior product so I can spend more money later on to upgrade it to what that original product could have been?
I need lap top can easy replace part but no need super thin, thick of Apple lap top from year 2005-2008 is good for me.
I use Apple 2007 Core Duo 16 years but break year 2023. Heavy work almost every day: programing, 3D Blender model and animación, create músic, edit and create sound effect, in hot tropic weather in An Giang 35°-37°. Easy replace battery but need remove many screw for open it and no people have part for fix it!
DOING GODS WORK BRO DONT STOP!!!!
As a teacher, these in schools could be awesome with windowss deployment
I fucking love this.
Ketzal Sterling started something like this in NZ (Called The Module Project) a few years back. Not just laptops, but his idea was for many more products.
TBH there's many people who started something like this, but Framework is the first to be this successful. tho let's see if the gaming laptop will have a second gen, since according to Linus of LTT it's always the OCM/ OEM that's screwing this kind of projects since they really like to be control... (one of the OEM for motherboards/ laptops had a similar concept of modularity but them screwed the pooch and the project got canned...)
I just wish it looked nicer and more premium. If it is something I'm gonna carry around for years, I don't want it to look like a 2018 Acer Chromebook... especially since I may be using it in 2034. I am willing to pay more for something upfront if I know it will last. the component swapping is only one part of the puzzle, you need a clean ageless design and something that looks solid and durable.
not going to lie seeing the founder hacking the door take my money
If priced competitively and not overpriced, i would definitely buy this as a tinkerer.
spoiler alert
it is not.
You're definitely paying for the ability to replace any part you want. Every customer will have to decide for themselves if Framework is charging more than they should, and should take into account that this is a small company, making a more complex product. It won't be cheap for a while.
@@benjaminoechsli1941Yeah, it's definitely going to take quite a while before economies of scale kick in. That's the paradox that they need a large install base to justify a lower price, but also people don't want to pay the early adoption tax.
It's way cheaper than buying a new laptop every few years so you could say it's a great investment.
no its not @@gusslx
Framework needs to design laptops that you would want to own today *before* considering whether you would still want to use it 10 years from now. Their failure to release important BIOS and firmware updates at the same consistency of other manufacturers makes using a Framework a big security risk.
Their 12th gen Intel boards were especially bad. It means if you own a Framework, you actually need to upgrade more often if you want to still have a useable computer. I used to be very excited for this but unfortunately I don’t think Framework is the company that can deliver a repairable and sustainable laptop.
Nice interview Nirav. Big supporters over here!
I need a Surface Pro / ROG Z13 alternative.. framework with no keyboard just screen and kickstand 🤷♂️
Value
Framework: expensive upfront no matter you computer gonna break or not
Evil counterpart: pay when it break
Environment
Retired Framework parts: only tiny group of Framework community may need or buy
Evil companies computer retired: any one in the world who need a functioning computer may buy
Future proofing
Framework: platfrom with large overheads that the whole industry is moving away
Evil counterpart: tightly integrated componts with higher performance and efficiency
Greatest business idea in the world!
Value and Environment get solved as economies of scale kick in, future-proofing has already been proven since you can upgrade your existing laptop with a new mobo and on top of that folks have been able to use the older mobo to create embedded systems as a recycling option.
@@SomeNerd361 No, it doesnt. One of the motivations that the evil companies make laptop less/not repairable is the ecnomies of scale. They are cheaper to make than the modular one. He reinvents the wheel doesnt mean he can do better...it is not like he do anything innovative, he just use the old way to make laptops. In other video, they mentioned that, for the DIY kit, they need to assemble then dissemble the kit to ensure the kit can boost during QA. Do you think such labor intensed process can beat the fully autonomic process that evil companies are using?
For the future proof of the devices itself, I am not sure if you understand the "future" he talking about is not such a far future. When a new product first come up, it usually has a couple of facelifts/versions before they make the next generation and reset the cycle. As he said in the video, the goal is to bridge the people who buy the earlier version to the last version (WITHIN A CYCLE). You should notice that this is not such a large window. Each version would only have incremental performance improvement and rarely any feature upgrade. So the upgrade is only sensible even from the performance standpoint when you have a very early of the computer and upgrade to the last version. And after this upgrade, there are is no "future" for the device. It is not like you put a 40series nvidia on a PCIe 3 slot can have much performance benefit due to the bandwith limitation. It is even less sensible in terms of economics as you have already paid overprice for the spec at the time and you need to buy an expensive part on top of that. And let me review how people who buy early version of evil laptop would do in this situation: wait and buy the next generation that offer real performance leap and new features.
And I have no idea why would you call on you mobo station example "recyceling". You use TWO computer worth of materials to build TWO computer, and at the end of their lifes, you dispose TWO computers and create TWO computer worth of e-waste. You recycled nothing.
Pretty sure the older retired MB can still be used for other stuff much like a Raspberry Pi, which many other people are doing.
Repair- and upgradeability is the best thing ever, they are the complete opposite of planned obsolescence!
Fantastic episode!
As a person who has built in past but now im a senior marketer and moved in to the business "Just get it done" mentality. I think the biggest things people want is longevity evidence. aka. Knowing it wont break like does it have a metal base?, the modular screen looks like an issue. Will it fall off all the time?, knowing its secure from a business standpoint, having like a dell subscription base model for them for their taxes so they can easily upgrade, they want things one and done, they want that 5 year warranty if possible but costs more, they want case studies of it working, they want to know they can get it to easily repair it/fix it. it has massive potential rather than forking out a new machine but i think so long as you can prove it wont fall apart or break if coffee is accidentally spilt. (its why i love the Asus tuff with metal base, all plastics have failed on my and fallen apart by year 4 just by using hinges). would love to work with you guys to help get it into that B2B space. Especially in Aus given i have worked with the channel(wholesalers) in Australia.
i own a Frame.work 13
batch 4
use it daily for work.
How is it? Share your experience.
@@aniksamiurrahman6365 12th gen intel here, the laptop has had a few issues like the charger cable stripping and my HDMI expansion card not working, framework support worked great and shipped me replacement parts free of cost since I'm still in that 2 years warranty. The laptop itself is great, i love the keyboard. Works amazing on linux, every hardware it uses is supported. For gaming it's bad, the CPU overheats, thermal throttles easily and the integrated graphics are just not good for any 3d game. so i used the fact that all 4 ports are thunderbolt to buy a fairly old 1080 eGPU, now the only thing holding it back is the screen refresh rate which is 60hz but honestly there are very few games where i think it would help to have faster refresh rate. Battery: yeah i get like 6h on Linux, windows I don't know maybe i'd get 5, 7 or the same. The charger is small enough so that you can carry it in the laptop pouch which i highly recommend getting. Overall it's a dream machine, being able to open it up and see it is crazy satisfying and the screen is beautiful and bright enough. expanding its capabilities as i can afford or need is an amazing feature.
@@Alec-k3h Thanks!
I like framework because of its rich linux support, hope you guys will made a cpu version of arm processors with snapdragon xelite.
Yup I'd buy that. Make a phone, camera, laptop and pc and you would dominate the market.
I love my 13 inch. I got it halfway through college when my MacBook died on me mid semester and I couldn’t fix it. It was a 2018 pro and SSD blew up.
I loved it so much I gave it to my brother when he started college, and he loves it. He ordered some modules that made more sense to him, but he could do that.
Would be curious if framework would go in the direction on snapdragon x elite soon
Not exclusively. Too little software support initially. Maybe in 5 years
@@yeezet4592 I doubt on the software support, since there's always an ARM translation program it could go for x86/ x64 programs. It's the native support that could take time...
I kinda want one i wish you could make a lower end version since that would really bring a new audience imagine being able to get something very cheap and then say replace the battery a bit later and maybe upgrade the cpu later since especially with linux u can run smth light
Beautiful
People need to start things like framework and fairphone.
The problem is MBAs taking product-led businesses and running them into the ground by financializing everything
Now Framework has to take the last step: Make it available world wide.
I love all of your videos. But I especially love covering framework. They do such great work
awesome hardware.
also not pricey compared to other comparable laptops, that are e-Waste.
but they still use insydeH2O firmware, I wish for coreboot adaption.
a workaround would be the Framework Chromebook, which has a had keyboard which doesnt seem to be replaceable, and is currently out of stock.
I really hope they succeed and continue to stay in business. From my research, battery life is a little sub par as with performance vs price. But everything else considered, i absolutely love the direction this company is going and would gladly consider their 16" if/when I ever need to buy a new laptop. QMK RGB is awesome, alternate screen options would be cool and open source options to build your own keyboards (maybe hotswappable switches) and mousepads (using Cirque or similar touchpads) Good stuff Framework. A possible metal framed version could be nice as well. Look forward to what you all do.
if the components of this laptop grow obsolete, and you replace each component one by one until no one component is original, does this remain the identical laptop?
Oled and good drawing support and I'd have one on order. But as an artist its not there yet.
Bro, get some Lishi picks, makes it super easy to get into your office.
Still need that 2 in 1 frame then I'm sold.
Wow, this guy is awesome! Cant wait for my framework 16, it will actually be 346% faster then my current laptop! Going with AMD for the first time in my life
Framework should partner with companies like Fairphone. You guys all have the same (great) ideals.
for me at least it seems like framework are a lot more passionate and genuine than fairphone are. biggest issue is fairphone doing away with the headphone jack to then try and sell you their fairbuds, which are not repairable like any and all bluetooth earbuds. its a baffling decision
@@oggilein1 well it took courage. /s
We need an Arm or Risk V Framework pls 🙏
risk V is still not there yet for general computing
well... someone start designing the boards then?
@@PrograErrorYou can't design a board until you have a processor.
Developing a processor is EXPENSIVE and Framework isn't in the business of designing ASICs. There are plenty of companies working on RISC-V processors right now and they're gradually getting more powerful, but it's hard to overstate how HUGE of an undertaking it is to develop a high performance processor from scratch.
There aren't any decent ARM processors except for Apple's M-series, and there are no desktop-class RISC-V processors at the moment.
Spandragon X Elite is the only ARM processor that fits that bill
Dude break into his own company 🤪🤪
Id rather spend more for something like this. Cant wait.
I hope you recognize that, like with the IBM PC itself, true victory here means losing control of the form factor.
Next steps: modular phone, modular printer, modular buds
I own a framework 16! Got it the week preorders opened, to be entirely honest it would have made more financial sense to buy 2 mid-grade laptops 2 years apart instead of investing $1500 and change into a gen 1 ecosystem, but I haven’t regretted it for a second. It is the most beautifully over-engineered device I own.
How many times would you need to upgrade the laptop for it to pay for itself? Twice? Three times? The motherboard/CPU upgrade potential has to be worth something!
@@benjaminoechsli1941 Honestly, a gaming laptop with similar specs would cost around $850 or so on sale, ignoring the fact that most of them would have worse storage and ram. So I guess I only need to upgrade it once to get my moneys worth, and I could sell the old parts on eBay or the framework marketplace!
I loved this from it's inception having seen it on LTT. However, at it's current price point it is a high end device and beyond the budget of general users. Also, between the Right2Repair movements in Europe & the US, all tech will eventually be user upgradable due to concerns about e-waste and availability of materials. The EU has already passed legislation forcing tech companies to allow all electronic deivces to have user replaceable batteries.
Still love my model 13 ❤ build it from parts with my 7j kid. It really is that easy 😊😊😊
Great initiative Nirav Patel. One of these days, Ill get a Framework laptops.
I love this. It's about time, really. It's an ecological imperative.
Cool Idea and product. I do understand that problem with Apple and the limited ports. I’m not sure I would be a consumer these laptops are pretty heavy and much thicker than MacBooks. I don’t really see a problem with the current climate of higherend laptops. They seem to last very, very long term.
looks like it takes a company to "prove" that portable devices doesnt have to be un-repairable. Crazy
Most laptops are actually quite repairable
Love my framework! Running great with nixos.
I love it TF16🫡🫡🫡🥰🥰🥰🎉🎉🎉🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳