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I have one of these. Please let us know what Wi-Fi cards you find that work on it and provide improved, more reliable Wi-Fi performance. So far, it seems nobody can find an Intel Wi-Fi 7 card that works on it. There's a Qualcomm Wi-Fi 7/BT 5.? card, but it's expensive.
I am so glad framework launched their factory seconds program. That allowed me to make a strong argument as to why my brother should spend a little bit more and get a framework. Living vicariously through him lol
The variation in gamma you mention is actually a feature in the AMD &PU drivers, called AMD Vari-Bright, which is on by default to save power. Almost nobody likes it - first thing you should do with these AMD Framrworks is go ahead into the AMD software app and turn that off.
@@Drazil100 dawg its rare for a vid to get out even just a few days after recording its offten over a weak aslo you can see the date on the laptop showing its not today
I’m so glad that FW is doing well. I’ve been using a 13 since they came out and it’s still a great laptop. Their commitment to repairability, mixed with their fantastic build quality is so admirable. I love my 13
I just wish their software support was nearly as good as their hardware support. BIOS/firmware updates are wayyy too slow and lags far behind in terms of features. Like who ships a gaming laptop without any fan control options?
I love that they're branching more and more into the B2B space and working with corporate IT departments. This will force Dell and HP, historically THE leading companies in the corporate technology space, to actually work on their support and logistics.
Interesting, I would have thought Lenovo, since they're the biggest laptop maker out there. I definitely see more HPs in the consumer market, and a shitton of Lenovo in the business environments.
B2B in the UK, isn’t great yet. Long delays to queries and no decent support for payment options. Speaking from the perspective of a business that have purchased 10 F13s to trial.
@@jubuttibdell has superior software than basically all of them for management. Dell and HP also have great support and onsite repair. Lenovo requires you to ship the product back to the manufacturer for repair. Their support also isn't that great. At least on the base plan they do offer on site but it's at a higher cost. However personally I have noticed quality on dell laptops specifically at the hinge seems to be degraded. They started turning to plastic more. Literally every dell that broke broke in the exact spot. The left hinge.
@@andljoy I'm pretty sure arch has gotten easier to install in recent years. Mental outlaw did a video covering the archinstall script which is around 9 mins long. There's also a pretty friendly arch distro called CachyOS if you want to check it out
I had the exact opposite experience. At the price point it's at I thought it felt really cheap. I hated the keyboard and it had that hollow deck feel you get with low end laptops. I also agree with Linus, I didn't think the color looked that great either on the display
I have had the framework 13 amd for about 6 months or so now, it's been great, I did find that the colors on the display initially were really bad, but I was able to fix it in software with windows display adjustments I'm really hoping they do an OLED for it at some point though
One thing that i appreciate about Framework is the RAM and Storage options arent marked up like crazy. They are but not by that much, like some other companies cough "apple" cough.
And in the case of framework, they don't actually get any discounts when purchasing those components. So the mark up is actually kinda reasonable to offset handling costs.
And if you don't want to pay the slight convenience tax/markup you can easily buy it on the side to save the difference anyways; that's the real factor
@zekkos8636yeah, these laptops are definitely expensive, but it's crazy that the price is at what it is when you realise that they probably pay a higher price for components and likely have a higher cost of manufacturing than larger OEMs.
@@TurtleKwitty 100% this. Apple and other companies that use soldered components can charge whatever markup they want for RAM and storage because you don't have any other option than going through them. With Framework, you do have other options, so if they up-charged you too much you could just buy those things from someone else.
9:40 I believe this is still 1st gen webcam from framework(?), I am honestly excited about the 2nd gen webcam and especially interested in comparison with those from Snapdragon laptops.
I can't believe they're not showing either the new webcam nor the screen. This video is literally not adding anything to the conversation. AMD units have been out for a WHILE.
@@giomjava are the new screen and camera out yet? but still, they should probably have been mentioned. This video generally feels like it was recorded a while ago, presumably before the announcement of those
@@TheFerdi265 New screen not out and I don't think anyone has received batch 1 preorder yet. Though I think the new webcam is out there in the wild. I don't think it comes with non preorder 13 yet though.
The ethernet port looks like a third-party module. It doesn't quite fit the Framework design language. That is a good thing, and the reason a simple USB-C interface is so good for the consumer.
@@LaughingOrange I think designing an ethernet port from scratch would take up too much resources. Just like how framework probably didn't design the type c connector themselves, it's an off the shelf part that fits their requirement the most
random note for anyone who cares! the 3.5mm expansion card has a built-in dac and sounds noticeably better than the on bord 3.5mm. so if you have good earbuds or something, it's worth the money!
I'd be curious to know if after-market mods for the framework have started to appear at all. Screen upgrades, expansion modules, etc. Would be a nice thing to cover in a video like this. Or maybe a separate video where you do all kinds of wacky mods with your framework.
Framework made the design of their expansion modules open source, so there's definitely mods in that aspect. There's even a forum on their website with a board dedicated to community projects such as new modules and reusing the old motherboard after an upgrade.
Got the violet bezeled Framework 13 AMD edition for my wife a few months back, absolutely great device. The DIY part took about 20mins with a small error with the second RAM stick within that time, can only recommend this.
@@leatherhidegamingit really could! I think they would have to release a different keyboard cover that has perferations on top and speakers that fire upwards
@@leatherhidegaming the hard part with the oled screen is that I don’t think there’s anyone currently manufacturing 3:2 aspect ratio oled screens at 13 inches. So framework would need to start up a new production line just for them so the cost for a company this small would be a bit tough. Otherwise the motherboard supports it I believe, totally possible someday in the future
I have one of these my wife bought me for Father's Day. Thinking of getting the new screen. I love this thing. Thanks Linus for investing and supporting this. Still thinking of getting the 16, but not yet...
I think you still have the old webcam module - They've got a new higher spec one from Omnivision that's supposed to be in the smartphone camera class with especially good low light performance. It's £39 in the UK.
10:20 as far as I remember, so that the gamma and white balance do not change depending on the lighting, you can disable this option in the Windows or iGPU settings (and this is an option independent of adaptive brightness).
If I was in a better financial position, I'd buy an AMD 16 one to support what framework is doing, but since I'm not, I'm waiting until a framework has support for 180° screens with pen digitizers and dgpus, so it can replace my HP spectre with a dgpu that I currently daily drive for my workloads. Hope they get there.
This is my stance right now as well. That initial ~3k for a GPU extension hurts a bit while being what seems to be a generation old. But I know its ramping up from the looks of it so I cannot wait until a) I have the funds for it, and b) I can justify the cost to performance.
One suggestion for flashing through performance bar charts, keep all systems/computers/cards in the same position the entire time and don't (effectively) sort by highest performing. That way, you can keep your eye on the metrics for the featured product rather than having to process, in real time, the changes in order. The length of each bar in the chart tells us who the "winner" is, not the order.
I wish they put a little more into the investment disclosure (at least for videos directly about Framework products) just because a viewer might easily miss the 2-second "investment in Framework disclosure" statement if they are not already aware.
@@pylotlight, right, but if a new viewer is just going to completely miss what it means, what's the point in giving the disclosure at all? Currently, it just seems like a little nod to those already in the know, which, yeah, seems like a waste of time. I think if they're gonna include it in the first place, they should put just a bit more effort into it.
They need a double-wide expansion slot option for smart card readers or to fit more usb ports. Or a modular way to remove the middle post to slot wider modules.
Congratulations Linus for finally moving up to the FW13 AMD. I bought this near start of the year. It’s an excellent piece of kit. However 2 things 1) you mentioned about putting the expansion cards anywhere. Wrong!! can’t do that see FW site for optimal placement to balance functionality (USB4 which you also didn’t mention ) affects where you install those things. 2) I heard a clicking on opening the laptop is that a thing because for the life of me I can t get rid of it. Overall I am a happy camper on the 7840U with me own ram and salvaged nvme. Interestingly you too have not yet had the chance to sample the full slot SD and the new camera module yet. If I was in your shoes I’d have bought into them too (similar age folks think alike :)
Yeah Linus, please let us know when we can use a decent wifi 7 chipset on our AMD Framework laptops, because those Intel BE200 don't seem to work without an Intel CPU. 😞
The gamma and contrast going wrong when overflowing the light sensor is usually due to graphic drivers. Both Intel and AMD have options to "Improve readability under high lights" or similar settings. And usually what they do is try to boost the brightness artificially by increasing the gamma and saturation usually. You can absolutely disable those options in the settings for the respective drivers (Adrenaline for AMD or the Graphics Control Center for Intel)
Nice to see how easily you can assemble the laptop and the variety of configurations this machine offers. The gamer in me is particularly pleased with your Ryzen model's performance
Linus IS invested in Framework because he liked the product and especially the idea behind it, but I wouldn't really call this an "ad". It's basically the same video they do for every laptop that has cool unique features and good quality. They do mention it every time Linus actually reviews a laptop himself. See 0:09 or the description "Linus loves his Framework laptop -- so much so that he invested in the company"
I think the webcam also looks pretty awesome all in all. Detail is super high, color accuracy seems to be pretty good. Honestly one of the better ones.
It only suffers in comaprison to Qualcomm's. As you'd expect, Qualcomm has video fully dialed in. Frankly, all major manufacturers should up their game; it's 2024... webcams should all be very good by this point.
Cool video! Genuine question, how come benchmarks are against other models from the same manufacturer? Would've been nice to see this compared with competition - particularly ARM devices.
It's nice to see it evolving , but why the USB C adapter only haves 1 port? so much space could at least have 2 USB C , even if only one could be used to charge for exemple .
Have a diy amd 13 for 6 months now. Love it. Still my daily driver and it games reasonably well. Sold my gaming laptop and don't regret it for a second. Wife has a first gen intel one with one of the first batches. Plan to upgrade the screen battery and probably cpu at some point. Still working great as is.
When they finish their gaming model I'm buying it no question. The ability to swap GPU over time is HUGE considering usually the GPU is the main reason to swap laptops so often. I doubt a 8 core 16 thread CPU will be the major issue in non competitive gaming and most people aren't using their laptop to get 240fps or something...
As a photographer I really wish Framework had a full sized SD (or CF) card reader for importing photos on a remote shoot day. Packing dongles for that purpose is a pain and sometimes those cables break. I still carry around a huge older laptop with me simply because it has the card reader built in and I can import/dump photo cards and upload them to my home NAS over a VPN at the end of a long shoot day.
lolz, just checked the expansion card section of their site and it looks like they have one on the horizon already. This may have tipped my purchase decision.
The RISC-V board is currently an exotic curiosity for most, but it shows an interesting direction for the development of Framework laptops as a standardized platform also for external motherboard suppliers. Fingers crossed for more such experiments.
I love my Frame work 13 AMD. I really like the user configurability of the computer. I bought a 4tb m.2 and 96 gb of DDR5 ram for less money rather than getting it from Framework. I upgraded the internal speakers to the louder versions and am in Batch 1 for the 2.8k screen which is coming out in the next week or so since I got we are about to bill you for the rest of the pre order e-mail last week. I'm hoping the colors are better as this machine can do great work in the field with 96gb of ram for processing batches of photos.
Suggestion: either color-code the DUT different to the references on the comparison bar charts, or disable sorting for cases where only the DUT and one reference are on the chart, keeping the DUT on the upper row. Having to check which row is the DUT and which is the reference gets tedious fast, when that info is on the left side of the screen, and the values being compared are on the right. Especially as they scroll through quite fast (not a problem per se, pause exists), enables faster comprehension of the placement of the DUT in the comparison lineup.
I have one, it’s great. Largest drawback is lack of home and end key on this keyboard layout, and the keyboard outlines touch the screen when closed. But even dells do that last bit.
you know what aesthetic I would love to see in tech devices that lends itself well to user repairability? like really leaning in to screws, have them line all around the edge of the panels like bolts rivets on an old boat or train. like instead of apple or samsung or whoever using clips and glue on their phones, they just used a hundered (realistically, like 10 actually needed at most) of those tiny screws you get for hinges on glasses placed all along the outside. would it be a pain to take apart? yes. would it be better than the current state of these devices needing a bizarre array of picks and heat sources to pry them open. uisng screws would also, ya know, mean theyre *meant* to be taken apart, so you dont break anything horrifficly because you need to bend a sheet of glass to make an opening wide enough to stab a pick at a clip that then snaps off causing you to flinch, shattering the glass in your hand in the process. just countersink the screws, they will look great, you can sell replacement covers for people to customise their phones with, itll be grand
@@fellwind fr, polished brass on a stainless or other silver coloured metal plate? looks great. and imo, torque head screws just look good? its a nice pattern to repeat.
I just got a framework recently and I love it! I opted for the factory seconds model, so 11th gen Intel for now until I want an upgrade (though my previous laptop was 6th gen, so this still feels great). But honestly just the fact that from here on out I don't need to buy a new screen/keyboard/etc every time I upgrade is just nice! Why throw away perfectly good hardware just because some other component is old/failing?
Lol, Apple also offers an optional power adapter and just like with your company, with Apple you also have to pay for it, how can you frame this as a positive when it's the same behavior that you dislike about Apple? Can you use the laptop without the power adapter? No? Then it has to be included. It's as simple as that, not that, if you need it, you can give us even more money for it...
For the Mac charger you can only choose which one you want, not whether you want one. + I'm not sure, but I think it is included in the non-diy config. The diy version doesn't have an os or even ram by default, why would it have a charger?
Cant wait until framework finds a thouch screen manufacturer that will partner with them. That way they can start to sell tablets as well or at least the community can.
I'm actually really considering buying this laptop specifically for gaming, I know I can save some money and buy a steam desk but I like that this laptop is actually upgradable. I figured it would get similar performance to the steam desk, seeing how it will have a better cooling system.
It really won't. I have both an OLED Steam Deck and an AMD Framework. The SD outperforms the FW in most ways. Some of this might come down the resolution, as the OLED SD is 1200x800 while the FW is considerably higher. However, the OLED SD can also run at 90 Hz while the FW is stuck at 60 Hz. The FW will run little games like PlateUp or Factorio, even Minecraft without shaders and some of the graphics turned down. However, the SD can play The Witcher 3 (at medium/low), Elden Ring (medium), and Forza Horizon 5 (medium/high) while the AMD FW can't even run Elden Ring on low over 15-20 FPS. Certainly unplayable. If you are looking for a gaming laptop and not wanting to get an eGPU (which the Framework 13 will work with), you'll either want to get the FW 16 with the AMD RX 7600 GPU, or go with a SD and get a dock for a monitor and keyboard/mouse.
I recently build and installed a R5 7640U DIY 13 for a private customer using Manjaro Cinnamon, and it made me pretty jealous - very high quality, very good speed, pretty silent, ... . I'd probably pick a DIY 16 though, for the bigger display, the additional two slots but mostly so that i can get my hands on a "PowerColor Radeon RX 7700S" module.
@@jajssblue pretty sure it's different for different boards, I personally have an ITX MB and used this guide: ruclips.net/video/V4DUIlJYBRc/видео.htmlsi=aK2pABFIXC2g_H__
Since Linus mentioned linux I will leave a warning in the comments, MediaTek WiFi cards basically just do not work on most distributions since as they are missing drivers, you could use a LAN to Type C module to hard wire internet temporarily, update the kernel version and fix the issue, but don't be surprised when it doesn't work out of the box!
I, for one, do not want any "AI-ready" PCs. It's a feature I don't see myself ever using in the foreseeable future and, IMO, is just bloatware at this point. I also cannot see myself buying an of AMD's AI CPUs, as they lock me out of upgrading from Windows 11 to Windows 10 (no, that wasn't a typo).
@@nathanl2966 I don't need to justify the price. I need to justify getting a new laptop at all. I have a Surface Book 2 but I barely ever use it. I use my desktop for 99% of things.
I think I actually need to get my hands on one of these some day to form an opinion. On paper, they're exactly what I want in a laptop but the build quality needs to be up to scratch and the value proposition needs to be there for me personally. Annoyingly, I'll be in no position to upgrade any time soon. I have an XPS 13 which I love, it has more than adequate spec for what I need from a laptop and is built amazingly - aside from a high refresh rate screen, I couldn't ask for more. What muddies the water for me is that I paid around 60% RRP for my laptop as it was an ex display unit which I was able to haggle down with in store staff for various reasons (the main reason I have my current laptop in the first place in all honesty). I don't use a laptop much but I want something with a good spec and build quality which will last - my current laptop fits the bill perfectly, especially after Dell honoured the warranty and replaced a battery which had been quite heavily abused. On paper a Framework fits there bill for me too and I like that it would be easy to work on, crucially, I suspect that I'd never be able to take advantage of a good deal on one of these so I think I'd need to pay a lot for one upfront an hope that it lasts until I need to make hardware upgrades. Don't get me wrong, I adore the philosophy behind these laptops but I think I need to see one in person first and if I'm considering one on the future, I'd need to sit down and do the maths to make sure it makes sense. I hate to say it but depending on where you live, it will might make financial sense to for some people to just look out for good deals when it comes time to upgrade.
@@GMichaelBridge speaking of keyboards... I am probably in the vast minority, but if only there would orhtolinear kb option too... this laptop would come close to a perfection - for me anyways...
I really like what Framework is doing, but unfortunately I still have a few gripes with their designs that keep me from considering picking one up quite yet. - No touch screen option, I've just gotten too used to having a touch screen on my laptops that it's now a must-have feature for me. - Only 4 expansion ports on the 13" model. Honestly, I'd love if they could fit more ports in this, 6 would be great but I'd also take 5 if they're fine placing the ports asymmetrically. An alternative option could be if they could make expansion cards with more than a single port on them, say dual USB-C slots or maybe even a USB-C paired with HDMI or USB-A. I do really like the customizability this concept offers, but if feel like if I have to carry a bunch of extra cards with me to swap on-the-fly then I might as well bring a dongle. - No 2-in-1 / convertible hinge option. This isn't a complete dealbreaker necessarily, but as someone who uses their laptop a lot on-the-go and for university classes (engineering), I find this feature extremely useful particularly for reading documents (as like a bulky e-reader) as well as for things like writing down lecture notes and even doing some creative work (so long it has a good enough digitizer). Technically could always just get a dedicated tablet for it, but I like having it all in one device, particularly when traveling or being on-the-go. - Bonus points if they could offer all of the above with a good color accurate display that's good enough for photo editing! If they can get those things in order, I'll definitely give them a strong consideration next time I'm in the market for a new laptop.
Another thing I often think about with these Laptops, the interchangeable IO means that the actual, onboard USB C ports won't be seeing constant wear and tear from removing or plugging in devices. You can easily change out a bad USB C port with a new one, and unless you remove the modules constantly, the new Modules should work just fine!
It's worth noting that they have a new webcam module coming out soon. They did a whole video about it with some before/after footage for comparison. Of course, you can buy the new version (when released) and upgrade your current laptop.
Other than the shipping costs hurting so much (and I live in the US) I really don't get the FOMO with the FW13 because I know the parts will be there, and it's only getting better all the time. I remember back in the day getting a laptop and immediately regretting it when a new CPU, GPU, or panel option came out a few weeks or months later. You can upgrade at any time. That said, the shipping still hurts a lot. I just upgraded mine from Intel 11 to AMD and paid $9 shipping minimum (good 3-day shipping though), then forgot the touchpad as mine was having issues. Couldn't add it to the previous order, so had to make an additional $9 shipping order for just the touchpad. After those arrived I realized I ordered the coolermaster case for my 11th gen mainboard to turn into a server, but I forgot the wifi module and USB-C modules so I'm not plugging directly into the mainboard, so I get to make *another* $9 shipment.
@@jajssblueWe may have to wait for Intel Panther Lake or Zen 6, as Lunar Lake is unfortunately the same with soldered RAM. What _I_ want is better dGPUs on the 16 inch model.
Its silly everyone wants to pull the shill alarm just for youtube comments... Anyways framework is genuinely pretty cool when you have a set of eyes, customizable I/O is insane! My biggest gripe with laptops is always the performance, but for productivity, idk i'm sure it could be pretty good for a nice ableton session! I also love building things, like i always wanted laptops to be like desktops, and repairing or replacing things is so fun. I remember back when i had this like annoying HP laptop, i took it apart and broke the plastic, and so the powerbutton ribbon cable broke (i was younger too but am i really better at it now 😛) and so what i did, was take a wire and jump the 2 pins for the power, i felt so proud of myself hahaha
OLED screens and Ryzen AI 300 series chips in the near future, plus a Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite variant genuinely would make Framework the go-to in laptops, especially at the current rate of industry innovation.
A recommendation for Labs’ battery testing methodology, although the current endurance and max performance tests are good and give a range of possible battery life but that range is too vast and does not represent how much battery life an average user will get without changing a lot of settings. So, an out of the box battery life test with recommended indoor brightness and speaker volume levels for good viewing experience with pre decided mixed usage would best represent how a laptop will last for an average non techy user and will be more of a representation of the specific laptop’s battery life(how the manufacturer has set it up) instead of the general power usage of the components the laptop has.
My issue with Framework is that their CPU selection is almost always close to being a generation old at the time of release, let alone at any time after. If they manage to procure CPUs around release, get a significantly better screen, and improve chassis build quality, I'll be in.
Actually, when they released the AMD 7040U platform version, there were only a few weeks behind the very first laptop makers to deliver this platform. I actually don't understand why Linus reviews the AMD version now after it had been in people's hand for about 9 months now and the next Intel generation being right around the corner.
@@patrickhanft I'll be curious to know how quickly/when they'll start doing the Ryzen 300 CPUs. They seem to be awesome from early reviews and reports from first devices in people's hands.
@@patrickhanftMy guess is Linus needed a new laptop after auctioning the old one and someone noticed they didn't do a production review of the 13 AMD yet.
@@jcarman I do have the 7840 version and considering my own experience as well as all the topics in the community forum, to me it seems like this AMD version is more a first gen like product than the previous newer Intel versions were. So from that perspective it wouldn't surprise me if it took them a bit longer to launch their second AMD generation. However I am sure they are determined to continue both options in the future, as it is there unique selling point.
Would have loved to get Plouffe's thoughts on the keyboard specifically. I don't agree with his opinions often, but they're very well formed and it seems like his input could have been great here.
I find those Framework laptops quite underwhelming to be frank. Outdated chips combined with mediocre displays, keyboards, cameras, high weight and chunky designs and so on. Linus tries to make it all sound not so bad, as this is not an unbiased review, but for that cool modularity and flexibility you really get a lot of trade-offs. Framework laptops are a great idea, but I am not sure they are a great product.
The vibe throughout this whole video felt like it was meant to be a roast session for the Framework. Obviously the investment disclosure is there, and the honesty is appreciated, but I'd be biting my cheek watching this video if I were the CEO of Framework. Things like laughing and saying the speakers are "Fine," and highlighting past issues with it like the constant bluescreening is not confidence inspiring. Additionally, spending a significant amount of time talking about current issues like the broken gamma control and how there are better products on the market for things like the webcam quality and overall performance like Snapdragon X. The cherry on top being Linus' mention that it comes at a premium that you must be willing to pay. To be clear, I love the idea of Framework, and I am very confident in your honesty of the product. This video really put me off for a long time, and I can't be the only one who feels that way. But what else would I expect from this video? You turning a blind eye to the issues in favor of your investment? I guess there's no good stance.
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If only Alex could pronounce Soother correctly. Soother Alex. Not smoother.
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I have one of these. Please let us know what Wi-Fi cards you find that work on it and provide improved, more reliable Wi-Fi performance. So far, it seems nobody can find an Intel Wi-Fi 7 card that works on it. There's a Qualcomm Wi-Fi 7/BT 5.? card, but it's expensive.
If they'd make it Hackintoshable, $$$$$
can’t run copilot nor recall… best feature of this computer!
Every windows 10/11 device has copilot lol. My 12th gen framework has copilot.
@@AndrewPL5jokes on you😂
Yeah, Copilot is in Edge.
@@oity7108 what joke?
@@samiraperi467 and the taskbar
Not being "copilot ready" is a selling point, not a drawback.
Doubt this is going to be the case in 1 or 2 years. Those NPUs will do a lot of good in the future.
Not copilot "plus" ready, but every windows 11 pc by default does have copilot
it also means its not the latest zen5 from amd :(
@@babs_III the laptop in the video is an intel model.
@@babs_III Oh well. Fuck all this goofy AI spy bullshit.
4:51 Bold of you to assume I dont have a labs team
Doggos can be a lab team too!
@@samiraperi467 Golden
DeadlyDwarf Labs actually sounds awesome lol
@@samiraperi467 Golden
I am a labs main, on wait, we arent talking about Tarkov?
I am so glad framework launched their factory seconds program. That allowed me to make a strong argument as to why my brother should spend a little bit more and get a framework. Living vicariously through him lol
The variation in gamma you mention is actually a feature in the AMD &PU drivers, called AMD Vari-Bright, which is on by default to save power. Almost nobody likes it - first thing you should do with these AMD Framrworks is go ahead into the AMD software app and turn that off.
It's a shame that framework would get blamed for this and their displays over amd for it. Framework should highlight this somewhere.
Which counts as off? "Maximize Brightness" or "Balanced"?
@@BrianG61UK If you don't have an off option, "Maximize Brightness" is the closest to off.
@@BrianG61UKyou should have the ability to turn it right off.
If not, Max brightness is closest to the off switch.
@@israellewis5484 What does the off switch look like?
Perfect example of why people are wrong when they think a video gets released as soon as it gets recorded. Nice hair Linus.
I keep forgetting that people don't understand it takes more than an hour to go from shot to upload.
Nah he dyed it back. This was recorded today.
@@Drazil100 dawg its rare for a vid to get out even just a few days after recording its offten over a weak
aslo you can see the date on the laptop showing its not today
@@kooll2401 I think he was joking 😂. Breathe
@@Drazil100Nah, they are streaming it from tomorrow.
I’m so glad that FW is doing well. I’ve been using a 13 since they came out and it’s still a great laptop. Their commitment to repairability, mixed with their fantastic build quality is so admirable. I love my 13
I just wish their software support was nearly as good as their hardware support. BIOS/firmware updates are wayyy too slow and lags far behind in terms of features. Like who ships a gaming laptop without any fan control options?
I just got one for my 10 year old. I love the idea that the laptop can grow with him once he starts using it beyond scratch and Minecraft.
So how repairable is it, exactly? Can you have a gen 1 framework laptop and still be able to upgrade it with the latest additions?
@@squidwardo7074 yup. If I wanted to I could upgrade to the newest intel gen 14 stuff
@@squidwardo7074 absolutely, theres a video from Hugh Jeffreys were he upgrades a Gen1 FW13 Intel to an AMD Board
I've noticed weird gamma behavior on my AMD based laptop as well, disabling Vari-bright solved it, maybe its not due to panel/laptop, but Vari-bright
Vari bright doesn't work properly half the time
I love that they're branching more and more into the B2B space and working with corporate IT departments. This will force Dell and HP, historically THE leading companies in the corporate technology space, to actually work on their support and logistics.
Interesting, I would have thought Lenovo, since they're the biggest laptop maker out there. I definitely see more HPs in the consumer market, and a shitton of Lenovo in the business environments.
@@jubuttib I feel called out for choosing Lenovo laptops for my workplace now lol
@@ians7184 Shrug, they're the biggest, you're not the only one. =)
B2B in the UK, isn’t great yet. Long delays to queries and no decent support for payment options. Speaking from the perspective of a business that have purchased 10 F13s to trial.
@@jubuttibdell has superior software than basically all of them for management. Dell and HP also have great support and onsite repair. Lenovo requires you to ship the product back to the manufacturer for repair. Their support also isn't that great. At least on the base plan they do offer on site but it's at a higher cost. However personally I have noticed quality on dell laptops specifically at the hinge seems to be degraded. They started turning to plastic more. Literally every dell that broke broke in the exact spot. The left hinge.
Great video but please add colored Intel and AMD logos to the comparison charts! It would make it way easier to tell which is which at a glance
A friend in work has the framework 13 AMD and he runs fedora on it. I got to use it for all of 2 mins, its an amazing device.
Running Fedora on a framework in the future is the dream
@@Nope-gu3ph i prefer arch but i am too old and lazy nowadays
@@andljoy I'm pretty sure arch has gotten easier to install in recent years. Mental outlaw did a video covering the archinstall script which is around 9 mins long. There's also a pretty friendly arch distro called CachyOS if you want to check it out
I had the exact opposite experience. At the price point it's at I thought it felt really cheap. I hated the keyboard and it had that hollow deck feel you get with low end laptops. I also agree with Linus, I didn't think the color looked that great either on the display
I have had the framework 13 amd for about 6 months or so now, it's been great, I did find that the colors on the display initially were really bad, but I was able to fix it in software with windows display adjustments
I'm really hoping they do an OLED for it at some point though
One thing that i appreciate about Framework is the RAM and Storage options arent marked up like crazy. They are but not by that much, like some other companies cough "apple" cough.
Or Dell or Asus.
And in the case of framework, they don't actually get any discounts when purchasing those components. So the mark up is actually kinda reasonable to offset handling costs.
And if you don't want to pay the slight convenience tax/markup you can easily buy it on the side to save the difference anyways; that's the real factor
@zekkos8636yeah, these laptops are definitely expensive, but it's crazy that the price is at what it is when you realise that they probably pay a higher price for components and likely have a higher cost of manufacturing than larger OEMs.
@@TurtleKwitty 100% this. Apple and other companies that use soldered components can charge whatever markup they want for RAM and storage because you don't have any other option than going through them. With Framework, you do have other options, so if they up-charged you too much you could just buy those things from someone else.
I own my framework for almost 2 years now, running ubuntu without issue. Nice laptop!
9:40 I believe this is still 1st gen webcam from framework(?), I am honestly excited about the 2nd gen webcam and especially interested in comparison with those from Snapdragon laptops.
I can't believe they're not showing either the new webcam nor the screen. This video is literally not adding anything to the conversation. AMD units have been out for a WHILE.
@@giomjava are the new screen and camera out yet? but still, they should probably have been mentioned. This video generally feels like it was recorded a while ago, presumably before the announcement of those
@@TheFerdi265 New screen not out and I don't think anyone has received batch 1 preorder yet. Though I think the new webcam is out there in the wild. I don't think it comes with non preorder 13 yet though.
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The expansion slots should be marketed as their own thing as well. Imagine a quick Ethernet port for a handheld or something.
The ethernet port looks like a third-party module. It doesn't quite fit the Framework design language. That is a good thing, and the reason a simple USB-C interface is so good for the consumer.
@@LaughingOrange I think designing an ethernet port from scratch would take up too much resources. Just like how framework probably didn't design the type c connector themselves, it's an off the shelf part that fits their requirement the most
the expansion ports are Open-source so, yeah there is a market for them, also you can just buy the expansion parts
@@Artista_Frustrado that’s what I mean. They should put stinger marketing around them. Like a hook.
@@YandiBanyu isn’t that the best way to do it……
As far as regrets go that isn't too bad lol
random note for anyone who cares! the 3.5mm expansion card has a built-in dac and sounds noticeably better than the on bord 3.5mm. so if you have good earbuds or something, it's worth the money!
I'd be curious to know if after-market mods for the framework have started to appear at all. Screen upgrades, expansion modules, etc. Would be a nice thing to cover in a video like this. Or maybe a separate video where you do all kinds of wacky mods with your framework.
The RISC-V mainboard could be considered a 3rd party "mod"
Framework made the design of their expansion modules open source, so there's definitely mods in that aspect. There's even a forum on their website with a board dedicated to community projects such as new modules and reusing the old motherboard after an upgrade.
Got the violet bezeled Framework 13 AMD edition for my wife a few months back, absolutely great device. The DIY part took about 20mins with a small error with the second RAM stick within that time, can only recommend this.
4:02 Bad news, Intel Wi-Fi 7 cards do not work on AMD systems. No solution known for now.
The QCNCM865 (QUALCOMM chipset) Seem to work in Win11 you have to take it out of the MSI Herald-BE NCM865 PCIe network card.
Realtek ones
I was doing a wifi test with a friend with an mediatek framework.
My 2017 wifi card beat the mediatek in the framework by 400 mbps download LOL
2:26 That's actually good news m8!
A8
An idea: remove speakers and use this space for cooling/battery/more modules and create a pair of speakers modules (keep jack ofc)
The one thing I wish this had was speakers that fire upward. Well that and an optional OLED screen.
@@leatherhidegamingit really could! I think they would have to release a different keyboard cover that has perferations on top and speakers that fire upwards
@@leatherhidegaming the hard part with the oled screen is that I don’t think there’s anyone currently manufacturing 3:2 aspect ratio oled screens at 13 inches. So framework would need to start up a new production line just for them so the cost for a company this small would be a bit tough. Otherwise the motherboard supports it I believe, totally possible someday in the future
Love my AMD framework 13! Waiting on the new 2k screen and upgraded camera!
I have one of these my wife bought me for Father's Day. Thinking of getting the new screen. I love this thing. Thanks Linus for investing and supporting this. Still thinking of getting the 16, but not yet...
I think you still have the old webcam module - They've got a new higher spec one from Omnivision that's supposed to be in the smartphone camera class with especially good low light performance. It's £39 in the UK.
10:20 as far as I remember, so that the gamma and white balance do not change depending on the lighting, you can disable this option in the Windows or iGPU settings (and this is an option independent of adaptive brightness).
You would think the usb A ports would have 2 instead of just 1 port per module
module width isn't quite wide enough to have 2 type A's side by side with enough clearance for typical plastic/rubber housing around the connector.
maybe combine USB C and USB A in 1 module? that seems like it would fit?
@@BradLR would also need a tiny hub chipset and decide which features to cut, like thunderbolt/usb4 and/or PD, same issue w/ a dual usb-c module
The design of the modules is open source, you or any accessory company can make an alternative module
Looking at mine right now, i think it would be easier to have 2 type C on a single card. The community is working on that now though.
what I like about the expansion cards is they didn't make some new proprietary standard
If I was in a better financial position, I'd buy an AMD 16 one to support what framework is doing, but since I'm not, I'm waiting until a framework has support for 180° screens with pen digitizers and dgpus, so it can replace my HP spectre with a dgpu that I currently daily drive for my workloads. Hope they get there.
This is my stance right now as well. That initial ~3k for a GPU extension hurts a bit while being what seems to be a generation old. But I know its ramping up from the looks of it so I cannot wait until a) I have the funds for it, and b) I can justify the cost to performance.
One suggestion for flashing through performance bar charts, keep all systems/computers/cards in the same position the entire time and don't (effectively) sort by highest performing. That way, you can keep your eye on the metrics for the featured product rather than having to process, in real time, the changes in order. The length of each bar in the chart tells us who the "winner" is, not the order.
I wish they put a little more into the investment disclosure (at least for videos directly about Framework products) just because a viewer might easily miss the 2-second "investment in Framework disclosure" statement if they are not already aware.
Who cares? It's been mentioned and spending any more time on it is a waste of time.
@@pylotlight, right, but if a new viewer is just going to completely miss what it means, what's the point in giving the disclosure at all? Currently, it just seems like a little nod to those already in the know, which, yeah, seems like a waste of time. I think if they're gonna include it in the first place, they should put just a bit more effort into it.
@@GoodGamer3000He must include the disclosure by law. But he doesn't wanna waste video time so he does the bare minimum.
2:28 thats not a downside, that's a win!
They need a double-wide expansion slot option for smart card readers or to fit more usb ports.
Or a modular way to remove the middle post to slot wider modules.
Microsoft I don't need your copilot. I can land it myself...
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" as long as you don't want your battery to last too long" is a criminally underrated joke that I absolutely will be using
Congratulations Linus for finally moving up to the FW13 AMD. I bought this near start of the year. It’s an excellent piece of kit. However 2 things 1) you mentioned about putting the expansion cards anywhere. Wrong!! can’t do that see FW site for optimal placement to balance functionality (USB4 which you also didn’t mention ) affects where you install those things. 2) I heard a clicking on opening the laptop is that a thing because for the life of me I can t get rid of it. Overall I am a happy camper on the 7840U with me own ram and salvaged nvme. Interestingly you too have not yet had the chance to sample the full slot SD and the new camera module yet. If I was in your shoes I’d have bought into them too (similar age folks think alike :)
Yes. This video simultaneously feels like an ad AND misses the ipportunity for the actual new developments. AMD, while great option, is 6mo+ old news.
Framework: you can bring your own RAM or upgrade as you go.
Intel, Qualcomm and AMD in unison: “And we took that personally!”
ive had my framework for nearly 6 months now, its truly the best laptop of all time and my favorite out of any laptop ive used
Yeah Linus, please let us know when we can use a decent wifi 7 chipset on our AMD Framework laptops, because those Intel BE200 don't seem to work without an Intel CPU. 😞
This looks like a malicious move on Intel's part. All we can do for now is to wait for Qualcomm cards to become available.
MSI Herald-BE NCM865 is the only option i see for now
The gamma and contrast going wrong when overflowing the light sensor is usually due to graphic drivers. Both Intel and AMD have options to "Improve readability under high lights" or similar settings. And usually what they do is try to boost the brightness artificially by increasing the gamma and saturation usually. You can absolutely disable those options in the settings for the respective drivers (Adrenaline for AMD or the Graphics Control Center for Intel)
all laptops should be like framework's
Companies tried it before. There's a reason they don't do it anymore. Because no one bought them.
@@saulgoodman2018Lol
@@saulgoodman2018 they don't make them because selling replacement parts is less profit than selling a new laptop instead
@@someonehere4380 Because there are limited thing you can do.
There are docks that you can buy.
No, not all Laptops should start at a 1000 bucks 👎👎
Nice to see how easily you can assemble the laptop and the variety of configurations this machine offers. The gamer in me is particularly pleased with your Ryzen model's performance
its kinda funny, i dont distrust the information but every video about framework just feels like an ad
Yes, kinda ngl 😂
I've been a FW13 user for a while, have the intel gen12 i5 cpu. Still LOVING it ❤
P.s. coming from Lenovo X1 Carbon Gen7
not gonna lie I sound like an ad too when someone asks about my framework XD It's just a really good machine so it's hard to not sound like an ad haha
Linus IS invested in Framework because he liked the product and especially the idea behind it, but I wouldn't really call this an "ad". It's basically the same video they do for every laptop that has cool unique features and good quality.
They do mention it every time Linus actually reviews a laptop himself.
See 0:09 or the description "Linus loves his Framework laptop -- so much so that he invested in the company"
That’s what happens when you have a good product 😊
Framework needs to make a smartphone like this. I am sick of all these companies forcing front facing cameras on consumers without a kill-switch.
I don't know how well that will work. Remember how well Project Ara worked out?
Framework has very good intentions behind it I feel (could be wrong just a feeling). Actually routing for them to succeed.
rooting*
I think the webcam also looks pretty awesome all in all. Detail is super high, color accuracy seems to be pretty good. Honestly one of the better ones.
It only suffers in comaprison to Qualcomm's. As you'd expect, Qualcomm has video fully dialed in. Frankly, all major manufacturers should up their game; it's 2024... webcams should all be very good by this point.
Cool video!
Genuine question, how come benchmarks are against other models from the same manufacturer?
Would've been nice to see this compared with competition - particularly ARM devices.
I love how modular it is and the ability to choose what parts to include for customization.
It's nice to see it evolving , but why the USB C adapter only haves 1 port? so much space could at least have 2 USB C , even if only one could be used to charge for exemple .
iirc, at the time they couldn't find a small enough usb-c/thunderbolt hub chipset that they were happy with. but its been a while so maybe some day.
I think I saw someone working on a double USB-C card but it's probably not available for purchase yet.
Have a diy amd 13 for 6 months now. Love it. Still my daily driver and it games reasonably well.
Sold my gaming laptop and don't regret it for a second.
Wife has a first gen intel one with one of the first batches. Plan to upgrade the screen battery and probably cpu at some point. Still working great as is.
If it can´t run microsoft trash, that´s not a loss, that´s a BONUS !
When they finish their gaming model I'm buying it no question. The ability to swap GPU over time is HUGE considering usually the GPU is the main reason to swap laptops so often. I doubt a 8 core 16 thread CPU will be the major issue in non competitive gaming and most people aren't using their laptop to get 240fps or something...
Is there any reason why a module couldnt contain two ports? Two USBA and/or two USBC?
You can make your own 😏
Space
I think it has to do with bandwidth limitations. If you dig through Framework's forum/blog posts you might find more info.
They would just run slower, as they share the bandwidth… also space. The modules dont have a ton of space to play with in regards to multiple inputs
@@Lloyd5fr Ye - except connecting a mouse and a keyboard don't really ... need much bandwidth.
As a photographer I really wish Framework had a full sized SD (or CF) card reader for importing photos on a remote shoot day. Packing dongles for that purpose is a pain and sometimes those cables break. I still carry around a huge older laptop with me simply because it has the card reader built in and I can import/dump photo cards and upload them to my home NAS over a VPN at the end of a long shoot day.
lolz, just checked the expansion card section of their site and it looks like they have one on the horizon already. This may have tipped my purchase decision.
The idea of this laptop (especially with RISC-V) and Linux is a really enticing idea to me
The RISC-V board is currently an exotic curiosity for most, but it shows an interesting direction for the development of Framework laptops as a standardized platform also for external motherboard suppliers. Fingers crossed for more such experiments.
I love my Frame work 13 AMD. I really like the user configurability of the computer. I bought a 4tb m.2 and 96 gb of DDR5 ram for less money rather than getting it from Framework. I upgraded the internal speakers to the louder versions and am in Batch 1 for the 2.8k screen which is coming out in the next week or so since I got we are about to bill you for the rest of the pre order e-mail last week. I'm hoping the colors are better as this machine can do great work in the field with 96gb of ram for processing batches of photos.
Can you build a module with 2 type C in 1 module that will be efficient to do.
Suggestion: either color-code the DUT different to the references on the comparison bar charts, or disable sorting for cases where only the DUT and one reference are on the chart, keeping the DUT on the upper row. Having to check which row is the DUT and which is the reference gets tedious fast, when that info is on the left side of the screen, and the values being compared are on the right. Especially as they scroll through quite fast (not a problem per se, pause exists), enables faster comprehension of the placement of the DUT in the comparison lineup.
Why didn't you address the price with the actual price tag from this machine?!
I have one, it’s great. Largest drawback is lack of home and end key on this keyboard layout, and the keyboard outlines touch the screen when closed. But even dells do that last bit.
you know what aesthetic I would love to see in tech devices that lends itself well to user repairability? like really leaning in to screws, have them line all around the edge of the panels like bolts rivets on an old boat or train. like instead of apple or samsung or whoever using clips and glue on their phones, they just used a hundered (realistically, like 10 actually needed at most) of those tiny screws you get for hinges on glasses placed all along the outside.
would it be a pain to take apart? yes. would it be better than the current state of these devices needing a bizarre array of picks and heat sources to pry them open. uisng screws would also, ya know, mean theyre *meant* to be taken apart, so you dont break anything horrifficly because you need to bend a sheet of glass to make an opening wide enough to stab a pick at a clip that then snaps off causing you to flinch, shattering the glass in your hand in the process. just countersink the screws, they will look great, you can sell replacement covers for people to customise their phones with, itll be grand
Brass screws even. Would look super good.
CMF Phone 1 but betterer
@@fellwind fr, polished brass on a stainless or other silver coloured metal plate? looks great. and imo, torque head screws just look good? its a nice pattern to repeat.
Problem: Screws strip. There are options beyond screwing and gluing.
I would love this. It's such an aesthetic as well.
I just got a framework recently and I love it! I opted for the factory seconds model, so 11th gen Intel for now until I want an upgrade (though my previous laptop was 6th gen, so this still feels great). But honestly just the fact that from here on out I don't need to buy a new screen/keyboard/etc every time I upgrade is just nice! Why throw away perfectly good hardware just because some other component is old/failing?
Lol, Apple also offers an optional power adapter and just like with your company, with Apple you also have to pay for it, how can you frame this as a positive when it's the same behavior that you dislike about Apple?
Can you use the laptop without the power adapter? No? Then it has to be included. It's as simple as that, not that, if you need it, you can give us even more money for it...
For the Mac charger you can only choose which one you want, not whether you want one.
+ I'm not sure, but I think it is included in the non-diy config.
The diy version doesn't have an os or even ram by default, why would it have a charger?
Maybe I'm wrong but it looks like the adapter is just USB-C. So you could just plug in a type c where the hole is with or without the charger
Hey, not only Linux. They're also awesome with all the BSDs!
Cant wait until framework finds a thouch screen manufacturer that will partner with them. That way they can start to sell tablets as well or at least the community can.
I'm actually really considering buying this laptop specifically for gaming, I know I can save some money and buy a steam desk but I like that this laptop is actually upgradable. I figured it would get similar performance to the steam desk, seeing how it will have a better cooling system.
It really won't. I have both an OLED Steam Deck and an AMD Framework. The SD outperforms the FW in most ways. Some of this might come down the resolution, as the OLED SD is 1200x800 while the FW is considerably higher. However, the OLED SD can also run at 90 Hz while the FW is stuck at 60 Hz. The FW will run little games like PlateUp or Factorio, even Minecraft without shaders and some of the graphics turned down. However, the SD can play The Witcher 3 (at medium/low), Elden Ring (medium), and Forza Horizon 5 (medium/high) while the AMD FW can't even run Elden Ring on low over 15-20 FPS. Certainly unplayable. If you are looking for a gaming laptop and not wanting to get an eGPU (which the Framework 13 will work with), you'll either want to get the FW 16 with the AMD RX 7600 GPU, or go with a SD and get a dock for a monitor and keyboard/mouse.
Hoping to have the money for a AMD 16" one someday...
Their 16” AMD model was released earlier this year.
@@richard1493yeah, doesn't change, that he needs the money for it.
@@gregor2436 OP edited their post.
@@gregor2436 OP edited their comment.
@@richard1493 and I did reply to you to clearly that... looks like the censorship bots again
I recently build and installed a R5 7640U DIY 13 for a private customer using Manjaro Cinnamon, and it made me pretty jealous - very high quality, very good speed, pretty silent, ... .
I'd probably pick a DIY 16 though, for the bigger display, the additional two slots but mostly so that i can get my hands on a "PowerColor Radeon RX 7700S" module.
I got an AM5 board recently, I can concur that the Mediatek wifi chip is very sluggish and not very consistent. Swapped it out with an Intel one.
Good to know you can do that. Are there any guides?
@@jajssblue pretty sure it's different for different boards, I personally have an ITX MB and used this guide: ruclips.net/video/V4DUIlJYBRc/видео.htmlsi=aK2pABFIXC2g_H__
You cannot update to Intel Wi-Fi 7 card though, they don't work on AMD systems.
Since Linus mentioned linux I will leave a warning in the comments, MediaTek WiFi cards basically just do not work on most distributions since as they are missing drivers, you could use a LAN to Type C module to hard wire internet temporarily, update the kernel version and fix the issue, but don't be surprised when it doesn't work out of the box!
Tbh this does feel like a commercial
I, for one, do not want any "AI-ready" PCs. It's a feature I don't see myself ever using in the foreseeable future and, IMO, is just bloatware at this point. I also cannot see myself buying an of AMD's AI CPUs, as they lock me out of upgrading from Windows 11 to Windows 10 (no, that wasn't a typo).
Every time I see a Framework laptop video I wanted to get one, I just can't justify it! I love what they're doing and their mission.
watch for the B-Stock & factory seconds & refurbs on their marketplace to find one cheaper
You see the justification when it's time to upgrade.
@@nathanl2966 I don't need to justify the price. I need to justify getting a new laptop at all. I have a Surface Book 2 but I barely ever use it. I use my desktop for 99% of things.
I think I actually need to get my hands on one of these some day to form an opinion. On paper, they're exactly what I want in a laptop but the build quality needs to be up to scratch and the value proposition needs to be there for me personally.
Annoyingly, I'll be in no position to upgrade any time soon. I have an XPS 13 which I love, it has more than adequate spec for what I need from a laptop and is built amazingly - aside from a high refresh rate screen, I couldn't ask for more. What muddies the water for me is that I paid around 60% RRP for my laptop as it was an ex display unit which I was able to haggle down with in store staff for various reasons (the main reason I have my current laptop in the first place in all honesty). I don't use a laptop much but I want something with a good spec and build quality which will last - my current laptop fits the bill perfectly, especially after Dell honoured the warranty and replaced a battery which had been quite heavily abused. On paper a Framework fits there bill for me too and I like that it would be easy to work on, crucially, I suspect that I'd never be able to take advantage of a good deal on one of these so I think I'd need to pay a lot for one upfront an hope that it lasts until I need to make hardware upgrades.
Don't get me wrong, I adore the philosophy behind these laptops but I think I need to see one in person first and if I'm considering one on the future, I'd need to sit down and do the maths to make sure it makes sense. I hate to say it but depending on where you live, it will might make financial sense to for some people to just look out for good deals when it comes time to upgrade.
I really hope that the new Ryzen AI chips will also be available at some point. The performance and efficiency uplift would be really nice to have.
they've already said they aren't doing 8000 series AMD chips as its just adding AI stuff and performance is nearly identical to 7000 series.
@@GMichaelBridgeThink the OP was referring to the Ryzen 9 AI HS 370.
Currently the new Ryzen Mobile chips do not support SODIMM, so it might take a while
@@Tim54000Production LPCAMM2 should be an option then?
Isn't it just that lpddr ram that's soldered that is compatible?@@patrickhanft
I have a FW 16 and I absolutely love it! I use it for my engineering classes.
Have they expanded the list of shipping countries???
yes, and its possible to guess upcoming countries sometimes by what keyboards they make available or ask for feedback on.
@@GMichaelBridge speaking of keyboards... I am probably in the vast minority, but if only there would orhtolinear kb option too... this laptop would come close to a perfection - for me anyways...
I really like what Framework is doing, but unfortunately I still have a few gripes with their designs that keep me from considering picking one up quite yet.
- No touch screen option, I've just gotten too used to having a touch screen on my laptops that it's now a must-have feature for me.
- Only 4 expansion ports on the 13" model. Honestly, I'd love if they could fit more ports in this, 6 would be great but I'd also take 5 if they're fine placing the ports asymmetrically. An alternative option could be if they could make expansion cards with more than a single port on them, say dual USB-C slots or maybe even a USB-C paired with HDMI or USB-A. I do really like the customizability this concept offers, but if feel like if I have to carry a bunch of extra cards with me to swap on-the-fly then I might as well bring a dongle.
- No 2-in-1 / convertible hinge option. This isn't a complete dealbreaker necessarily, but as someone who uses their laptop a lot on-the-go and for university classes (engineering), I find this feature extremely useful particularly for reading documents (as like a bulky e-reader) as well as for things like writing down lecture notes and even doing some creative work (so long it has a good enough digitizer). Technically could always just get a dedicated tablet for it, but I like having it all in one device, particularly when traveling or being on-the-go.
- Bonus points if they could offer all of the above with a good color accurate display that's good enough for photo editing!
If they can get those things in order, I'll definitely give them a strong consideration next time I'm in the market for a new laptop.
Another thing I often think about with these Laptops, the interchangeable IO means that the actual, onboard USB C ports won't be seeing constant wear and tear from removing or plugging in devices. You can easily change out a bad USB C port with a new one, and unless you remove the modules constantly, the new Modules should work just fine!
The only problem with Framework laptops is that they are not shipping it everywhere
Way too expensive and no gpu option for the 13 version, the 16 can have a gpu but you end up paying 2.6k for something you can get for 1.8k
It's worth noting that they have a new webcam module coming out soon. They did a whole video about it with some before/after footage for comparison. Of course, you can buy the new version (when released) and upgrade your current laptop.
Other than the shipping costs hurting so much (and I live in the US) I really don't get the FOMO with the FW13 because I know the parts will be there, and it's only getting better all the time. I remember back in the day getting a laptop and immediately regretting it when a new CPU, GPU, or panel option came out a few weeks or months later. You can upgrade at any time. That said, the shipping still hurts a lot. I just upgraded mine from Intel 11 to AMD and paid $9 shipping minimum (good 3-day shipping though), then forgot the touchpad as mine was having issues. Couldn't add it to the previous order, so had to make an additional $9 shipping order for just the touchpad.
After those arrived I realized I ordered the coolermaster case for my 11th gen mainboard to turn into a server, but I forgot the wifi module and USB-C modules so I'm not plugging directly into the mainboard, so I get to make *another* $9 shipment.
Interested to see if FW will have next gen Ryzen after AMDs refresh
soldered RAM for the moment, so it might not hit the "upgradability" target
@@dattrax Right. I forgot about that. Hopefully AMD finds a way to enable something else for FW
@@jajssblueWe may have to wait for Intel Panther Lake or Zen 6, as Lunar Lake is unfortunately the same with soldered RAM. What _I_ want is better dGPUs on the 16 inch model.
@@dattrax It's not a given that AMD support won't be extended to LPCAMM2 modules. Let's hope so.
Its silly everyone wants to pull the shill alarm just for youtube comments... Anyways framework is genuinely pretty cool when you have a set of eyes, customizable I/O is insane! My biggest gripe with laptops is always the performance, but for productivity, idk i'm sure it could be pretty good for a nice ableton session!
I also love building things, like i always wanted laptops to be like desktops, and repairing or replacing things is so fun. I remember back when i had this like annoying HP laptop, i took it apart and broke the plastic, and so the powerbutton ribbon cable broke (i was younger too but am i really better at it now 😛) and so what i did, was take a wire and jump the 2 pins for the power, i felt so proud of myself hahaha
And still no standard SD card module... Didnt they promise one like a year ago now?
There is now
Would be awesome see a larger model with upcoming AMD Strix Halo APU as a new option. Can add larger battery, few extra ports and OLED display.
OLED screens and Ryzen AI 300 series chips in the near future, plus a Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite variant genuinely would make Framework the go-to in laptops, especially at the current rate of industry innovation.
Hardest part with snapdragon x is I believe the memory has to be soldered in
Same with Intel Lunar Lake and Ryzen 300 for laptops. I think we'll have to wait for 2025 for slotted RAM options.
A recommendation for Labs’ battery testing methodology, although the current endurance and max performance tests are good and give a range of possible battery life but that range is too vast and does not represent how much battery life an average user will get without changing a lot of settings.
So, an out of the box battery life test with recommended indoor brightness and speaker volume levels for good viewing experience with pre decided mixed usage would best represent how a laptop will last for an average non techy user and will be more of a representation of the specific laptop’s battery life(how the manufacturer has set it up) instead of the general power usage of the components the laptop has.
My issue with Framework is that their CPU selection is almost always close to being a generation old at the time of release, let alone at any time after. If they manage to procure CPUs around release, get a significantly better screen, and improve chassis build quality, I'll be in.
Actually, when they released the AMD 7040U platform version, there were only a few weeks behind the very first laptop makers to deliver this platform. I actually don't understand why Linus reviews the AMD version now after it had been in people's hand for about 9 months now and the next Intel generation being right around the corner.
@@patrickhanft I'll be curious to know how quickly/when they'll start doing the Ryzen 300 CPUs. They seem to be awesome from early reviews and reports from first devices in people's hands.
@@patrickhanftMy guess is Linus needed a new laptop after auctioning the old one and someone noticed they didn't do a production review of the 13 AMD yet.
@@jcarman I do have the 7840 version and considering my own experience as well as all the topics in the community forum, to me it seems like this AMD version is more a first gen like product than the previous newer Intel versions were. So from that perspective it wouldn't surprise me if it took them a bit longer to launch their second AMD generation. However I am sure they are determined to continue both options in the future, as it is there unique selling point.
@@jcarmanDon't expect Ryzen 300. It isn't available with slotted RAM afaik, so we might have to wait until 2025 for any CPU upgrades.
dude frame work is groundbreaking. giving that pc build experience with a laptop, genius
You and auctioning things just aren't meant to be.
Flashbacks
Would have loved to get Plouffe's thoughts on the keyboard specifically. I don't agree with his opinions often, but they're very well formed and it seems like his input could have been great here.
I find those Framework laptops quite underwhelming to be frank. Outdated chips combined with mediocre displays, keyboards, cameras, high weight and chunky designs and so on. Linus tries to make it all sound not so bad, as this is not an unbiased review, but for that cool modularity and flexibility you really get a lot of trade-offs. Framework laptops are a great idea, but I am not sure they are a great product.
The DP expantion is my favourite one !
not the yellow haired linus is back✨
I could watch these framework videos all day. I love my Framework and it makes me so happy.
The vibe throughout this whole video felt like it was meant to be a roast session for the Framework. Obviously the investment disclosure is there, and the honesty is appreciated, but I'd be biting my cheek watching this video if I were the CEO of Framework.
Things like laughing and saying the speakers are "Fine," and highlighting past issues with it like the constant bluescreening is not confidence inspiring. Additionally, spending a significant amount of time talking about current issues like the broken gamma control and how there are better products on the market for things like the webcam quality and overall performance like Snapdragon X. The cherry on top being Linus' mention that it comes at a premium that you must be willing to pay.
To be clear, I love the idea of Framework, and I am very confident in your honesty of the product. This video really put me off for a long time, and I can't be the only one who feels that way.
But what else would I expect from this video? You turning a blind eye to the issues in favor of your investment? I guess there's no good stance.
He’s just like he always is. If not a bit more in favor of framework. If he was more positive people would’ve been complaining that he’s a shill
if i need a laptop that isn't a ToughBook i'm going Framework. the amount customization and ability to repair/replace parts makes perfect it for me.