Nobbel87 Hey Nobbel , i was thinking and watching a lot of your lore videos lately. what is there is only one Kil'Jaeden. see from what i would imagine , he is an extra-planar demon lord. For all we know KJ could of seen this coming because its a possible time frame...which is yet again another issue when you introduce time travel. honestly though the whole BC and the opening of the portal in of itself is messing with planes of existence etc. just my thoughts.
Nobbel87 Wait a second since the portal connects to our Azeroth wouldn't the Azeroth in that universe be fucked up because there would be no orcs and certain other races in Azeroth I know this doesn't matter to our Azeroth but it's just weird to think how different the wars would end up and the Azeroth might even be run by the Horde or Alliance just because of this change.
Bob Smith space surrounds out outlands because of the shattering of dreanor (which is what outlands really is , the planet Dreanor after it shattered) after Ner'Zhul opened a bunch of other portals trying to help the orcs escape Dreanor. The reason he opened all these other portals is because the alliance had reopened the gate and entered dreanor to attack and end the orcish threat once and for all. KJ n the other hand was not happy about Ner'zhul defying him and the portal he stepped thru was actually a trick , and KJ was there and captured ner'zhul torturing his soul by tearing his physical form to pieces over and over again. eventually finding a purpose for ner'zhul which he bound ner'zhul to the lich king. this was done to break down azeroth for another burning legion invasion. as for the different azeroth's we likely will never know the other azeroth as they said they arent going to show us anything about that azeroth. the portal to that azeroth will never be built , as the timeline was changed for that dreanor. meaning the portal they end up opening instead of the portal to their azeroth they opened a portal to ours. because garrosh was hellbent on revenge and changing the history of the orcs. which this means the alliance does very much own their azeroth , as the alliance are the actual races that are native to azeroth , on both timelines. hope this helps , i honestly have watched too many lore videos by Nobbel87. love these videos Nobbel87 keep up the great work!
As for why Garrosh wouldn't wait for the Draenei to die, or invade a different Azeroth, the answer lies with the very Sha he unleashed: Pride. He will stop at nothing to conquer HIS enemies, as they're no one's but his. He had no issues with calling the armies of the world to his doorstep -- he will not stop until he proves he's the stronger.
That's what happens when you're the son of one of the greatest Orc heroes ever and you're trying to live up to your family name. Also not helped by the fact that Thrall gave Garrosh a LOT of power after one successful campaign in Northrend. That hefty of a reward can go to your head, and power easily corrupts the hotheaded.
I think the reason I love listening to Nobbel so much is because he gets excited about what he's saying. It's much more engaging and interesting when a raconteur is eight kinds of stoked to tell you a story.
"They didn't specify which Kil Jaeden is on the phone." You are really funny with the way you repeat idioms time and time again, I grew really fond of it, strangely.
Every time i hear a blizzard employee talk about warcraft lore they always sound completely clueless, like they just read the story 5 minutes before going on stage
chaosdecides Time Travel just sets up the Iron Horde. Everything else that would come with a time travel story (changing history, altering the universe, ect) isn't there. For all intent, Draenor is an alternate Draenor from Outland.
I think this expansion was chosen because of the Warcraft movie. In the Q&A panel for the movie, people asked if Warlords of Draenor will provide story for the Warcraft movie. The responce roughly said was there is no lore for Durotan back then, so the expansion will fill in that missing lore for him and other old orc leaders.
I disagree. We already have Durotan lore in the Rise of the Horde novel. And this expansion takes place in an alternate timeline, the lore for Durotan here would not directly relate to the lore for our timeline, which is what the movie will be based on.
Don't try to find logic behind the WoD expansion, you won't find it lol. They said they wanted to tell this story of these two civilizations in their prime.
It was a Herculean task to cover all you have, shedding light on detailed lore while encompassing the massive scope of this xp. Well done, dude, and many, many thanks! 👏
You just helped me from going to knowing absolutely nothing about warlords to knowing a ton about it and possibilities that may occur in which you discussed. Thank you :D
Hey Nobbel. I just discovered your channel and I wanted you give you a lot of praise for what and how you're presenting. Your voice is very enthusiastic and you manage you spread that joy of the lore. The way you're visualizing what you're talking about and the clipping is very well thought out and fit what you're talking about perfectly. That's all I wanted to say, because I can see how much time and effort goes into presenting the material is such a excellent way. Subscribed and will defiantly watch and listen to more from your channel.
I would rather live in the iron horde timeline. They don't face the scourge, arthas stays good, uther isn't killed, lorderon never falls. The orcs also would be going against our timeline, so we wouldn't have to worry about that, and the burning legion wouldn't have the tools available to weaken Azeroth for an invasion. That sounds pretty awesome compared to our timeline.
so this parael reallity is not really warcraft... I would rather see new parael reality and it would be "END OF w3 as we knew it" but without events from wow.. and it could be w4 as continuin of w3 but with completely different events that was in wow, that would be awesome, WoW events was more like marketing moves than that epic lore that was in w3, just imagine no frikin pandaria, playing as illidan defending dark temple, because in w3 was its conquering, playing as lich king building army, playing as silvanas and with some new heroes...
Found your channel today and fell in love with it. I love Warcrafts lore. I've played all the Warcraft games from the very beginning when it was "Orcs & Humans" and missed alot of the plot over the years cause I wasn't reading the books and paused playing WoW many times. Long story short I wanna thank you alot for your awesome videos, keep up the good work!!
***** That's why it should be like the Opening of the Dark Portal. Fuck it, make a giant world-wide event where the Alliance and Horde team up and swarm him. That'd be fun.
***** Look how big Deathwing was and we fought him. Even though Arthas took the attention, Sargeras has always been the biggest villain in WoW lore. He'll be the final boss.
***** If you look at Blizzards original idea for WoW, Sargeras is the last boss. Besides, he's the primary villain in WoW's lore. Something has to be done to him. Killing him though would probably be an incredible raid. It would be something to bring me back to the game for sure.
Thank you for all the information. It is very helpful and keeps the histories in line for me since I was unaware of just how much history there is in WoW. Thank you very much.
nobble 1:12:30 you said we already fought kil'jaeden. but he was half submerged in the well and possibly weak from being summoned like the first battle with Ragnaros if Kil'Jaeden were to come back, which in my opinion is very likely, he would be massive, free and at full or almost full power.
"So Wrathion is not the final boss of Warlords?" Wrathion will be part of a time-paradox encounter where all the Wrathions from all the alternate realities all converge onto the raid. *Many Wrathions! Left side!*
I'm so disappointed its all about Orcs AGAIN! If they were going to make a time travel expansion then why can't it be about one of the interesting races like the Eredar and Draenei on Argus?
There were no Draenei on Argus, the Eredar left Argus and became the Draenei...and there are going to be just as much Draenei in WOD as there are Orcs (kinda)
***** No I loved the whole dead old god corrupting the land thing it was awesome. The Pandaren themselves however were a good race but it was probably a bad call for blizzard to make them pandas.
Johnny Iles What I mean was if we were to go back in time because the "timelines" had been fucked with then would they be known as Draenei or Eredar? Because surely there still exiles from their race for not following the burning legion?
***** I believe that the Draenei are one-thousand ties more interesting than Orcs. All the good lore behind the Orcs mainly comes from being manipulated by Demons. You may as well say that the burning legion are interesting not the Orcs.
***** wha....what? OK because I cannot be bothered to summarize it hes an entire wikki page.............. Long ago, on the planet of Argus, the eredar race arose. They were extremely intelligent and had a natural affinity for magic in all of its forms. Using their gifts, they developed a vast and wondrous society. At some point, they are visited by beings of light, Naaru. They gifted the eredar with the sacred ata'mal crystals, which enhance their intellect and help them unravel the mysteries of the universe. At the height of their society, the eredar's three most prominent leaders, Kil'jaeden, Archimonde, and Velen, were approached by Sargeras, the Fallen Titan. Sargeras claimed he was impressed by the work of the eredar: he wanted to supply them with even more power and knowledge, in exchange for their loyalty. But while Kil'jaeden and Archimonde readily accepted the deal, Velen had a vision of the future that filled him with dread. He saw the dark future his people were heading towards: siding with the dark titan Sargeras and transforming into demons. Velen saw the Legion in all its terrible might and witnessed the destruction it would wreak upon all of creation. He hastened to warn Kil'jaeden and Archimonde, but they dismissed his concerns and proceeded to profess loyalty to the Destroyer of Worlds. Together, the latter transformed a majority of their people into an insidious race of warlocks and later allied themselves with the Burning Legion. Velen nearly despaired, but his prayers for help were answered. A being came to Velen and explained that it was one of the naaru, a race of sapient energy beings bent on stopping the Burning Legion. The naaru offered to take Velen and any other like-minded eredar to safety. Deeply relieved, Velen gathered the other eredar loyal to him. Naming themselves the "draenei", or "exiled ones" in the Eredun language, the renegades barely escaped from Argus in the naaru ship Oshu'gun, with the Burning Legion hot on their heels. Kil'jaeden was furious with what he felt was Velen's betrayal, and the demon vowed to hunt Velen and the rest of the draenei to the ends of the cosmos if need be. The draenei visited many worlds and explored much of the known cosmos in their quest to find safe harbor. Still, a hell-bent Kil'jaeden would not give up his pursuit, sending his agent Talgath to hunt them down. Meanwhile, the enigmatic naaru race blessed the draenei with Light-given knowledge and power. The naaru explained that there were other forces in the cosmos that would stand against the Burning Legion. One day the naaru would forge them into a single unstoppable army of the Light. Deeply affected by the naaru's words, the draenei vowed to honor the Light and uphold the naaru's altruistic ideals. At last Velen and his draenei settled upon a remote and peaceful world that seemed an ideal refuge. They named it Draenor, or "Exiles' Refuge", and there they quietly cultivated their society once again. Ever wary of being discovered again by Kil'jaeden's forces, Velen and his mystics kept their magic hidden. In time the draenei met and befriended the shamanic orc clans that already lived in the tranquil southern grasslands (later called Nagrand). Aside from engaging in some limited trade, the draenei and orcs regarded one another with respect but kept mostly to themselves. However, no amount of preparation could keep the draenei hidden forever. Eventually, Talgath-after some 25,000 years of pursuit-stumbled upon Draenor, and reported back to Kil'jaeden. Kil'jaeden, however, was intrigued by the neighboring orcs. Through his protégé Gul'dan, he quickly succeeded in corrupting them. Smoothly manipulated from a state of wary acceptance into blind rage and blood lust, the orcs attacked the draenei. This bloody conflict lasted nearly eight years, but the orcs' triumph was unequivocal. The orcs killed over eighty percent of the draenei race and sent the rest fleeing for safety to the remote corners of the world. Draenei who had fought the Horde and survived found that they had been affected by the fel energies wielded so freely by the orc warlocks. These draenei have since mutated into lesser forms, resulting in a series of subspecies. Kil'jaeden's revenge was complete, or so he thought - Velen and a handful of untransformed draenei have survived the destruction of their cities by the orcs and fled to Zangarmarsh. There they have been hiding until recently. Naru Crash Site The Exodar crash site. After coming to Draenor, the blood elves discovered the power of Tempest Keep and successfully seized it. To escape, the draenei came out of hiding and managed to wrestle control of a wing of the keep, The Exodar, and tried to use it to flee and find aid in retaking their home. Before they could, however, the blood elves managed to sabotage what is essentially the "engine" of the draenei's transdimensional travel. The remainder of the Keep lies in Outland in Netherstorm and is now the home of Prince Kael'thas. When the draenei tried to planeshift, their sabotaged engine went haywire, and The Exodar ended up hurtling out of control through the Twisting Nether until it crash-landed on a chain of islands, the Azuremyst Isles, off the western coast of Kalimdor. As the surviving draenei salvaged what they could of their ship and tried to help what was left of their people, they began exploring this new world; contact with the night elves of Darkshore was imminent. This information about draenei originates from Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne. It predates knowledge of draenei subraces For centuries the draenei have been battling the Fel Orcs...they have fought the orcs and their demon masters for generations... but in the last hundred years the draenei have been slowly losing. One group was lead by Akama, Elder Sage of the draenei. Cursed orcs serve Magtheridon-a terrible lord whose Black Citadel lies to the west. The cursed orcs, under the command of Magtheridon, hunted the draenei to the brink of extinction. With the help of Illidan and Kael'thas, the draenei hoped to turn the balance in their favor and rid themselves of the fel orcs once and for all. With Illidan's help, they fought back to retake their ancestral lands; and hoped that they would end their curse forever.[1] This information about draenei originates from the Manual of Monsters "draenei" article and Lands of Conflict. Both sources focus on the Lost Ones draenei-subrace found in the Fallow Sanctuary (Swamp of Sorrows), Blasted Lands, and Outland). The information predates the existence of the Harborage and knowledge of any other draenei subraces. The draenei lived alongside orcs for countless generations on the planet Draenor. When that world exploded and crumbled into what is now known as Outland, most of the draenei perished. A few managed to survive the cataclysm, however. When the Dark Portal was reopened into Azeroth, a small number of draenei traveled through, scarred by the ordeal of their world's destruction. These ragged wretches now call themselves the "Lost Ones," in mourning of their former world. Though otherwise a peaceful, private race, the draenei carry an intense hatred for all orcs and will slay them whenever the opportunity arises. Their home on Azeroth lies within the Swamp of Sorrows, though some have begun to travel beyond the Swamp’s borders in recent times. Scattered tribes of draenei are rumored to wander still the devastated fields of Outland, the last remnants of Draenor that still float within the Twisting Nether.[2] Having lost their home ages ago, the draenei struggle to reclaim their former lives - an impossibility, since their home no longer exists. Still, without the attempt, they would wither and die. Another factor that keeps the draenei alive is revenge against the orcs who once lived among them. They will take any risk to see an orc killed. If they can wipe out the entire race, so much the better. The draenei avoid combat unless the enemy in question is an orc. Then the normally peaceful draenei lash out in a fury, doing everything in their power to destroy their hated enemy.[2] They established a colony in the Swamp of Sorrows called the Fallow Sanctuary. They became vicious draenei and sequester themselves from outsiders, called themselves "lost ones".
It's nice to see someone put the effort of learning the lore and retell it like this. It makes it easier for people like me who want to hear about the lore but don¨t want to read all of it :p Definitely subscribing. Keep up the good work!
I am REALLY disapointed if they do NOT make a Iron DeLorean engeneers mount! Of course that mount needs to have the ability to make a portal to our normal Azeroth or maybe our BC Outland. Maybe they could even include that mount in some kind of weird Quest where you need to travel "back to the future" to get some Questitem
I had reactivated my account to play WoD, and as I havent been aware of latest mop lore developments, i got completely lost once i arrived on Draenor (was seeing big names fighting against us). It was kinda ticking me off, but your amazing video cleared everything, thank you very much!
Speaking of "what will happen on Azeroth while we're in the Draenor in the past" think about this, if you havn't already. Who is left in charge of The Horde and Alliance while most of both factions are gone? I believe the Horde is left with Forsaken, Goblins, and Trolls while the alliance is left with Night Elves, Dwarves, Gnomes, and Worgen. Putting this in mind, without spoiling everything, I will tell you the expansion after "Warlords of Draenor." It's what happens in Azeroth while we're all on Draenor. Basically, they're at each other's throats and it's going to be blamed on The Horde.
Who will be left in charge of the Horde and Alliance? Warchief Vol'jin, Baine Bloodhoof, Lor'themar and whoever the Orc leader will be will stay on Azeroth. Likewise Varian, Moira, Malfurion, Gelbin and MU Velen are still on Azeroth. I'm not sure why you thought entire races are going to Draenor, the racial leaders are staying behind.
Here's something interesting, Nobbel. Ner'zhul, has a crystal mounted on his staff, that resembles the crystal from which Alexandros Mograine and the former members of Silver Hand forged the Ashbringer. And considering the Naaru life-cycle (legendary Horde Nagrand quest) and Shadowmoon Clan's involvement of death magic... I think you know where I'm getting at, right?
oh my gosh i only shaw 30 minutes of it and i have to say good job, it cost so much time to do videos like that and im happy to found someone who can explain such a big story about World of warcraft
What about the arakkoa? They are native to Draenor, being much like their version of the trolls (existed before the other races, had civilization a long time, corrupted and dispersed, etc). I want to see more of this race!
You kept asking things like "why let garrosh escape and do all this if it doesn't affect our azeroth?" Because it will if we don't close the damn portal. A story isn't made to have a sequel, but to be a good story on it's own.
By that logic, why the flying donkers is Garosh not dead? I remeber hitting my fucking sword into his face several times over. Oh no, we need a stupid plot device to kick of our next expension, he's not dead after all this herperderp. Btw. the knowledge that it's actually Garosh 'beeing at it again' made me realy angry because of that reason, his story was told. Pandarias whole reason to extist as an expension was so Garosh can have his epic tale and then Blizz goes NOPE.AVI, just kidding, we couldn't come up with a better antagonist/reason for this to happen so yeah, Garosh.
I love your videos. It would be helpful if on addition to your chronological order video if you had specific folders for each Wow expansion. Regardless you have given me a new appreciation for the game and its lore with your stories. Thank you.
Hey nobbel. With the new expansion haveing abit of time travel in it. Could you tell us how the brown dragonflight get there power to travel in time? Love the videos keep em coming. /Uncoil
You're right about everything, aside from 1 fact... The titans, were the ones giving power to the dragonflights... And the bronze dragonflight was given the power to police the timeways... The titans MADE the timeways, meaning, across infinite timelines... there are only a limited number of titans, meaning, there will STILL, only be 1 sargeras. If they didnt make the timeways, then they themselves would not have the power to give the dragonflight, their power. Because how can you create time, unless you, yourself, exist outside of time? Something to remember, and also something to consider... Time travel is tricky, but if there's one thing i've been obsessing about for years, that is time travel. There will still only be 1 sargeras. EDIT: You drink demon blood, whilst a slave to its effects, you are completely red, the longer you're in that state, the more corrupted you become, thats why some... let's call them blood orcs, actually grow horns and spike all over their body... In fact, demonic enslavement isnt nessecary for this, i believe gul'dan grows spikes out of his back too... it's fel mutation, the more active fel energy is in your body, the more your body mutates into that of a demon. Once a blood orc is purified of the demonblood enslavement, the energy isnt active, given it's expelled from the body, but it leaves a permanent scar on the orc, green skin. Alternatively, an orc that is managed to be able to use fel magic, (assuming this orc originally had brown skin), will gradually begin to develope green skin... because red orc skin, is the colour of demonic enslavement, but green skin is the colour of demonic history... you know? Inside the azeroth horde, orcs have green skin, so there's really no way to tell the difference between an orc shaman or an orc warlock. In the iron horde, it's quite easy to tell the difference, as you might allready know.
Hi Nobbel87, I love your work and I appreciate very much, since I can't play Wow regulary cause I am a student and don't have much time, you help me keep up with lore. One thing I cannot follow up in many of your and other people videos is what is Sylvanas doing, what are those 'bad stuff'. I also heard that Garrosh controlled her but I don't know anything about it, Can you please help me understand this? Thank you very much :D
Dude, I don't know where your accent's from but it sounds awesome. I don't play WoW, but I do love the story from it. Learning about it from you seems to be more entertaining than others I've heard it from. Keep it going buddy.
Never thought id able to say one day "I watched 1 hour, 29 minutes, and 21 seconds straight of a youtube video" This Nobbel87 is so captivating my god, love this kind of shit. Hopefully they bring back aspects of the old expansions that made the game good.
Jerry Peet Yup, i think the next race will be the naga though, in the expansion after wod as they have a lot of great story, and if i remember right they had something to do with the water elemental lord thingy's capture.
Warcraft Rant: Warlords of Daenor explained by meee. "So Garrosh is in panda jail, pouting because the heroes beat him up and took his Horde away because he 'just' killed several thousand people for no reason. So to bide his time, he gets into writing fan fiction. He writes fan fiction about his dad, and how cool it would be if he were alive and in charge of the Horde. A Horde with cannons and guns and lazer beams and black jack and hookers! That would be so cool!" "Then a magical faery dragon comes along and turns Garrosh's fan fiction into it's own reality... and now you must fight it! Have fun!"
Stephen Dreamon Not sure why Warlords of Draenor deserves rage. Sure, people might be disappointed that Garrosh isn't out of the picture yet, but he isn't going to be the main focus or even a primary boss in the expansion. He's just a puppet.
I’ve watched it a couple times without skipping, but this is one of my favorite things to listen to while I go to sleep. This was when his older microphone made him sound even softer :P although I really do absolutely love his content from Legion and newer
fussysaur i'd still be totally cool with that. The Iron Horde is just so appealing and fighting alonside a united old Horde and all of the warlords seems awesome. I have too much respect for Grom and i genuinely liked that Garrosh is a character that has actual feelings and isn't just a boring bland character like some overrated characters *cough cough* Varian
Iron Horde is screwed. They have less clans that the Original Horde and no support from the Burning Legion. They have to face all of their opponents at once while being bled by defections. Thrall can convince Grom, Ner'zhul and Doomhammer to defect to the Second Horde.
In my opinion, the REASON WHY they are making WoD and having us go to Draenor and confronting these orc warlords is to get us ready for the WARCRAFT MOVIE. Think about it, the Warcraft movie is gonna be partially set in Draenor. What better way to get more players into WoW than to have the game show a world and notable orc characters we may see in the movie. This is a hidden agenda publicity stunt! This expansion is merely a side quest because it will not affect our lore in OUR Azeroth. If any notable character from this alternate reality Draenor crossed the Dark Portal, we'd have to worry about lore issues that happened in our past. So in short, my opinion, this is just a side adventure with no really repercussions that is meant to gain subscriptions through old players that liked BC and new players that will see the same characters and Draenor both in the Warcarft movie.
It's all because of money(but i still want to see that story) and alternate relativity opens a way to a new expansions in the future for example(i hope it won't happen): We are done with orcs in dreanor, killed last xpac boss then we try to go back to our azeroth, step through dark portal and *puff* we end up in alternate azeroth because some evil(put here whatever you want:old gods, titans, big spiders or Hogger) managed to change our dark portal into portal to alternate azeroth. Aaand you have another 20 years of expansions. Let's hope Blizzard won't read this, because who knows...it may end up with*great* idea for their money making machine.
If you guys don't understand, there is 4 alternate dimensions. Azeroth [Ours], Outland[Ours] (these 2 effect eachother). The other 2 are the alternate azeroth and draenor (these 2 effect eachother). Hope this helped thanks.
Floris M That's a straight up lie, the end boss is going to be Grom, it ties in with the lore easily, Bolvar would make absolutely no fucking sense whatsoever.
I personally would love to fight Grom! I can only imagine how epic of a fight that would be! Since this timeline doesn't have an effect on ours we could kill him without damaging our current time, just this parallel one.
You know what would be fucking amazing for the next expansion? To have the option to create a character half Human/Draenei, Orc/Troll or Blood Elf/Night Elf and so on doing so would give your character a different design and look or even different racial skills. Personally, I would definitely make a Human/Blood Elf or a Draenei/Human. *Taurent/Gnome?* Which would make a smaller looking Tauren with less fur? xD But it won't happen sadly...
Luna Skye It doesn't have to be half human in WoW any race can breeds with anything as far as I know. =/ Anyway a option to make your character taller, shorter, fatter or skinnier would be nice too. I would make a Giant Fat Human or a little Orc the side of a Dwarf or a Gnome extremely fat. ;p
Luna Skye I assume you mean Garona, a Orc/Draenei, but the lore isn't specific on her actually and it's suggested various times that she's not half-draenei and just a weaker orc by in-game characters like Brann Bronzebeard. There are however half-breeds that we know are true. Med'an is Garona's son with Medivh, that would make him at least half-human/half-orc, and possible half-human, quarter-orc, quarter-draenei, unless the alternate theory that Garona is half-human is true, that would mean Med'an is three-quarter-human, quarter-orc. There's also Arator, half-human, half-high elf son of Turalyon and Alleria, Lelior who's three-quarter night elf and quarter troll, Rexxar who's half-orc, half-ogre and Falrevere who's hinted at being part-dwarf but mostly human.
***** Garona's origin is confirmed in the comics. The brother of her mother, her uncle, is Vindicator Maraad. You may know him as the draenei paladin from the Burning Crusade trailers. Also you forgot Giramar and Galadin, Rhonin and Vereesa's twin half-human/half-high-elf sons. And some extras: For Lelior to be quarter troll, his mother must have been a half-troll. And Half-orc/Half-ogre used to be common enough for them to have their own clan - The Mok'Nathal
This was pretty helpful because, playing through the game now, you hit the level for the content and just get a quest that tells you nothing except "go to the Blasted Lands and repel the Horde invasion." I still have no idea how those on Azeroth got wind of this and knew the portal was linking to a different Draenor or how we knew what was coming through though. I didn't see anything ingame or here about how this all started from the side of people on Azeroth before the point you have the quest.
Hey Nobbel, love your vids! Anyway, do you think Kargath will join with us? You did say in the original storyline that he was sorta just left behind and he realised this, do you think he will see this as being betrayed and maybe join us in all his badass glory? Also is there going to be new orc models like maybe the ability to make a Brown Orc like Gromm or even whitish like Kargath?
Hmm, okay I’ve watched the whole vid and got to be honest, I’m very sceptical as to why they chose this to be the next expansion. Firstly I’m glad they chose the alternative dimension route rather than straight up time travel. This way they won’t outright change any of the lore from Vanilla to Mists and it’ll all still be relevant. At the same time it’s a slippery slope to incredibly lazy story writing, see DC’s alternative/infinite universe stories. It’s basically an excuse to do really bold and crazy stories, but then take the cowards way out and say “oh, this take place in universe B, so universe A is actually unchanged”. Technically it’s still cannon, but at the same time none of it matters. It becomes all too easy to just repeat that formula over and over. Also there’s the problems brought up at 1:11:35. It’s great that the past hasn’t been fucked up but now there’s two of everything? Sounds like a right royal mess. Maybe it’ll turn out all right and surprise a lot of people like mists did, but there are just so many other options they could’ve explored, and ultimately the thing I care most about WC is the lore.
I like the (hidden) idea of this expansion: "Let's give players the opportunity to see and interact with the orcs and draenei from the past". - However, Garrosh going back in time for a second round and reality change sounds like a smart move, but yet too rash to be an excuse. I am also fond of Warcraft's lore even if I don't know each and every detail of it and the only thing that makes me frown at this expansion is the factor... Garrosh.
That would been awkward if any Forsaken and/or Death Knights were present when they killed Ner'zhul, the Death knights would turn back to normal and the forsaken would either be alive again or just cease to exist altogether,
***** No they wouldn't, anything you do on this Draenor, such as killing Grommash, or like you say killing Ner'Zhul, will have absolutely no effect on our Azeroth, this draenor is not the draenor connected to our timeline.
velenvskaelhas I know, I was saying that if this were a full-blown time-travel "You kill a butterfly you could sink continents down the line!" type expansion, I'm aware that the timeline presented in WoD is separate from the "prime" timeline.
Theory: Old Velen is the last, final boss. After he hears these horrible stories about the orcs destroying his people, he fights to prevent it. As the story goes on, he does violent things, and progressively becomes more aggressive as he fights the war against the dark things on Draenor (which will probably be more than just Garrosh and the Iron Horde, like how WotK had more bad guys than just the Lich King, or Mists had more bad guys than just the Sha), until he falls into darkness. I know it will be difficult to make that believable, since Velen is so ancient and has lead his people away from corruption for thousands of years, and done so through all kinds of hell and high-water, but I just think it would be incredibly cool to see one of the paragons of the light fall. It would fit in well with the book War Crimes's theme of "we all could have been like Garrosh if we had made different choices". Also, it might be a great thing for Anduin, who I'm pretty sure will grow to be the leader of the Army of the Light, to witness, as he has great respect for Velen and sees him as a mentor. Also, I think that eventually, we'll get an expansion where we attack a world controlled by the Burning Legion. I don't know how that will work out, but WoD could have the potential to lead into that situation.
Nobbel! Awesome video! Could you or anyone you know take this and turn it into a web chart of relationships between all these characters for quick referral? It would look cool and probably be quite useful to those wanting to maintain savvyness on the lore.
considering how the expansion has fallen into place so far, i wouldn't be surprised to find out that the expansion boss isn't necessarily grom hellscream so much as it is grom being puppeteered by an old god. like son like father.
One of the things, and I am not completely up to date on any relative speculation... is that if something is influencing Kairoz, or Kairoz is trying to do something on his own for whatever reason, maybe that is what is driving the Iron Horde to commit these actions. Which then begs the question to me, if there is some kind of external influence taking place, how much of the Warlords is authentic to their past selves...? I really find this concept kind of fascinating, because I don't have any expectations. I am probably going to be overwhelmingly surprised no matter what happens. All and all... I enjoyed (as always) this video tremendously, I found it to be extremely insightful.
Even tough I don't play world of warcraft because I don't want to spend money so often I really love it's story and lore thanks for the awsome videos dude :)
Lloyd Wang 'Hoard' means to gather things into your house, or 'collect' them, and keep them there forever because you create a strong bond in your mind with them. 'horde' is the term used in world of warcraft :3
Your videos are awesome, and I'm really happy you're still doing them. I have a question, though- what's going to happen with Wrathion? He's been with us since Cata, and do you think he'll come with us?
Well if Ner'zhul's soul was never put into the Lich Kings Armour then that means in that time line Arthas never became the Lich King and was never killed. Meaning the scouge was never invented and Cindragose was never brought back. So that means everything that ever so happened never happened. Which also means that the wrath of the Lich King never happened which causes the Death night class never to be invented and Salvanes to not have the Valkry which means when she fought against the worgen in Silverpine Forest and died she was never brought back causing Lord Godfrey to be brought back to life. Also Sylvanes does not get turned into a banshee from Arthas meaning the undead are not part of the horde causing the plague never to be invented. So yeah all the story is ruined in one timeline and in the other its all perfect and happy. Right? Right.
I'm curious to see if Medivh is still alive, if Kill'Jaden is still in contact with Gul'dan, where does that leave that timeline's Medivh? If their Dark Portal was never connected, then Medivh's corruption wouldn't have been found out by that timeline's Khadgar and friends....
I believe this next expansion they are going to try to reclaim older subscriptions rather than campaign for new players. This is probably why they are returning to an area that was their most popular expansion to date. I'm so excited to see all my favorite areas again revamped to their original glory. I will be pretty upset if Grom is the end boss this time around.
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''Will it be as big as the Black Temple?''
''It will be even bigger!''
*expansion comes out*
*can't even go in the temple*
Bruh
I don't even play WoW... but slowly getting addicted to these videos, awesome lore, awesome.
NOBBLE/BLIZZARD - "DONT THINK" (man, do urself a favor and just dont lol)
Garrosh was so butt hurt about what Vol'Jin said about his dad in the troll starting quests that he had to go back in time to make it not true ;o
It makes me sad watching this video now. This expansion held so much promise back at this point.
superchief86 i was thinking the same thing. it had SO much potential...
PatrickStar I think this would of been a good expansion if it didn't come right out of SoO. Orc exhaustion and all that.
superchief86 the lore of the expansion was okay, it's just that everything else was pretty bad.
+superchief86 Thrall and Orgrim didn't even meet! They were in the same damn zone for crying out loud!
The story changed. Orc Fatigue. Should of saved it for when Legion is supposed to be. Would of been better.
This has more content than the WoD expansion
LOL
Laughed at the two islands that were supposed to be "added later in the patch."
Hahahahaha
Over a million views...that's incredible 0o Thank you so much for watching/sharing/commenting...wauw! ^_^
Well done! ;D
Nobbel87 Hey Nobbel , i was thinking and watching a lot of your lore videos lately. what is there is only one Kil'Jaeden. see from what i would imagine , he is an extra-planar demon lord. For all we know KJ could of seen this coming because its a possible time frame...which is yet again another issue when you introduce time travel. honestly though the whole BC and the opening of the portal in of itself is messing with planes of existence etc. just my thoughts.
Nobbel87 Wait a second since the portal connects to our Azeroth wouldn't the Azeroth in that universe be fucked up because there would be no orcs and certain other races in Azeroth I know this doesn't matter to our Azeroth but it's just weird to think how different the wars would end up and the Azeroth might even be run by the Horde or Alliance just because of this change.
Nobbel87 Also how does space surround our Outland and their Outland is surrounded by water.....
Bob Smith
space surrounds out outlands because of the shattering of dreanor (which is what outlands really is , the planet Dreanor after it shattered) after Ner'Zhul opened a bunch of other portals trying to help the orcs escape Dreanor. The reason he opened all these other portals is because the alliance had reopened the gate and entered dreanor to attack and end the orcish threat once and for all. KJ n the other hand was not happy about Ner'zhul defying him and the portal he stepped thru was actually a trick , and KJ was there and captured ner'zhul torturing his soul by tearing his physical form to pieces over and over again. eventually finding a purpose for ner'zhul which he bound ner'zhul to the lich king. this was done to break down azeroth for another burning legion invasion. as for the different azeroth's we likely will never know the other azeroth as they said they arent going to show us anything about that azeroth. the portal to that azeroth will never be built , as the timeline was changed for that dreanor. meaning the portal they end up opening instead of the portal to their azeroth they opened a portal to ours. because garrosh was hellbent on revenge and changing the history of the orcs. which this means the alliance does very much own their azeroth , as the alliance are the actual races that are native to azeroth , on both timelines. hope this helps , i honestly have watched too many lore videos by Nobbel87. love these videos Nobbel87 keep up the great work!
As for why Garrosh wouldn't wait for the Draenei to die, or invade a different Azeroth, the answer lies with the very Sha he unleashed: Pride.
He will stop at nothing to conquer HIS enemies, as they're no one's but his. He had no issues with calling the armies of the world to his doorstep -- he will not stop until he proves he's the stronger.
That's what happens when you're the son of one of the greatest Orc heroes ever and you're trying to live up to your family name. Also not helped by the fact that Thrall gave Garrosh a LOT of power after one successful campaign in Northrend. That hefty of a reward can go to your head, and power easily corrupts the hotheaded.
I think the reason I love listening to Nobbel so much is because he gets excited about what he's saying. It's much more engaging and interesting when a raconteur is eight kinds of stoked to tell you a story.
"They didn't specify which Kil Jaeden is on the phone." You are really funny with the way you repeat idioms time and time again, I grew really fond of it, strangely.
Thank you so much. Great work done.
ForsenE
Every time i hear a blizzard employee talk about warcraft lore they always sound completely clueless, like they just read the story 5 minutes before going on stage
Whenever you're put on the spot, everything you know dries up.
That pretty much describes their level of storytelling. Throwing in time travel but saying it isn't about time travel...right.
chaosdecides
Time Travel just sets up the Iron Horde. Everything else that would come with a time travel story (changing history, altering the universe, ect) isn't there. For all intent, Draenor is an alternate Draenor from Outland.
@@LilianOrchard You called it, because as I'm sure you're well aware by now, that's exactly what they did.
Has anyone ever told you your pronounciation is tasty as fuck
I think this expansion was chosen because of the Warcraft movie. In the Q&A panel
for the movie, people asked if Warlords of Draenor will provide story for the Warcraft movie. The responce roughly said was there is no lore for Durotan back then, so the expansion will fill in that missing lore for him and other old orc leaders.
I disagree. We already have Durotan lore in the Rise of the Horde novel.
And this expansion takes place in an alternate timeline, the lore for Durotan here would not directly relate to the lore for our timeline, which is what the movie will be based on.
Don't try to find logic behind the WoD expansion, you won't find it lol. They said they wanted to tell this story of these two civilizations in their prime.
I don't play WoW but I find this lore fascinating. It's great.
It was a Herculean task to cover all you have, shedding light on detailed lore while encompassing the massive scope of this xp. Well done, dude, and many, many thanks! 👏
You just helped me from going to knowing absolutely nothing about warlords to knowing a ton about it and possibilities that may occur in which you discussed. Thank you :D
Hey Nobbel. I just discovered your channel and I wanted you give you a lot of praise for what and how you're presenting. Your voice is very enthusiastic and you manage you spread that joy of the lore. The way you're visualizing what you're talking about and the clipping is very well thought out and fit what you're talking about perfectly. That's all I wanted to say, because I can see how much time and effort goes into presenting the material is such a excellent way. Subscribed and will defiantly watch and listen to more from your channel.
I would rather live in the iron horde timeline. They don't face the scourge, arthas stays good, uther isn't killed, lorderon never falls. The orcs also would be going against our timeline, so we wouldn't have to worry about that, and the burning legion wouldn't have the tools available to weaken Azeroth for an invasion. That sounds pretty awesome compared to our timeline.
Jaina x Arthas totally. Blood Elves would be Alliance still. Awesome.
so this parael reallity is not really warcraft... I would rather see new parael reality and it would be "END OF w3 as we knew it" but without events from wow.. and it could be w4 as continuin of w3 but with completely different events that was in wow, that would be awesome, WoW events was more like marketing moves than that epic lore that was in w3, just imagine no frikin pandaria, playing as illidan defending dark temple, because in w3 was its conquering, playing as lich king building army, playing as silvanas and with some new heroes...
and Deathwing hasn't totally made azeroth shit and flying mounts can't seem to fly in kalimdor and eastern kingdoms yet. Sounds syk to me.
Marty toofree "No frikin pandaria" Pandaria always existed on w3 lore. Go to a tavern on W3 dumb ass.
marcoswillianl I know panda was there, but pandaria wasnt :D as continentnoone knew where it is from..
Found your channel today and fell in love with it.
I love Warcrafts lore. I've played all the Warcraft games from the very beginning when it was "Orcs & Humans" and missed alot of the plot over the years cause I wasn't reading the books and paused playing WoW many times.
Long story short I wanna thank you alot for your awesome videos, keep up the good work!!
It feels bad watching this now
How about now -_-
@@elsiedoomhammer7646 how about now
let's stop kidding ourselves here guys, everyone knows that the final boss of World of Warcraft is going to be Sargeras the Mad Titan.
***** That's why it should be like the Opening of the Dark Portal.
Fuck it, make a giant world-wide event where the Alliance and Horde team up and swarm him. That'd be fun.
*****
Look how big Deathwing was and we fought him. Even though Arthas took the attention, Sargeras has always been the biggest villain in WoW lore. He'll be the final boss.
***** If you look at Blizzards original idea for WoW, Sargeras is the last boss. Besides, he's the primary villain in WoW's lore. Something has to be done to him. Killing him though would probably be an incredible raid. It would be something to bring me back to the game for sure.
too soon
***** It is Grommash Hellscream they said it at blizzcon
Imagine if Blizzard would cooperate with Creative Assembly to create Total War: Warcraft. I would play the hell out of that
I would pre-order that before it hit Alpha!
actually there is a warcraft mod for medieval total war
There mode of world of warcraft for crusader king 2
Total War: Heroes of Warcraft?
Thank you for all the information. It is very helpful and keeps the histories in line for me since I was unaware of just how much history there is in WoW. Thank you very much.
Good stuff Nobbel, another 30min and I've listened to this entire thing. :-)
nobble 1:12:30 you said we already fought kil'jaeden. but he was half submerged in the well and possibly weak from being summoned like the first battle with Ragnaros if Kil'Jaeden were to come back, which in my opinion is very likely, he would be massive, free and at full or almost full power.
"So Wrathion is not the final boss of Warlords?"
Wrathion will be part of a time-paradox encounter where all the Wrathions from all the alternate realities all converge onto the raid. *Many Wrathions! Left side!*
I listen to your lore videos in the background as I'm going to sleep and pretend it's my grandpa reading me a bedtime story of a faraway land
I don't know why, but whenever I feel very sick, I come to this video. It always makes me feel better!
Hey nobel the best explanation for the time travel would be to think of Terra Nova.
I'm so disappointed its all about Orcs AGAIN! If they were going to make a time travel expansion then why can't it be about one of the interesting races like the Eredar and Draenei on Argus?
There were no Draenei on Argus, the Eredar left Argus and became the Draenei...and there are going to be just as much Draenei in WOD as there are Orcs (kinda)
***** No I loved the whole dead old god corrupting the land thing it was awesome. The Pandaren themselves however were a good race but it was probably a bad call for blizzard to make them pandas.
Johnny Iles What I mean was if we were to go back in time because the "timelines" had been fucked with then would they be known as Draenei or Eredar? Because surely there still exiles from their race for not following the burning legion?
***** I believe that the Draenei are one-thousand ties more interesting than Orcs. All the good lore behind the Orcs mainly comes from being manipulated by Demons. You may as well say that the burning legion are interesting not the Orcs.
***** wha....what? OK because I cannot be bothered to summarize it hes an entire wikki page..............
Long ago, on the planet of Argus, the eredar race arose. They were extremely intelligent and had a natural affinity for magic in all of its forms. Using their gifts, they developed a vast and wondrous society.
At some point, they are visited by beings of light, Naaru. They gifted the eredar with the sacred ata'mal crystals, which enhance their intellect and help them unravel the mysteries of the universe.
At the height of their society, the eredar's three most prominent leaders, Kil'jaeden, Archimonde, and Velen, were approached by Sargeras, the Fallen Titan. Sargeras claimed he was impressed by the work of the eredar: he wanted to supply them with even more power and knowledge, in exchange for their loyalty. But while Kil'jaeden and Archimonde readily accepted the deal, Velen had a vision of the future that filled him with dread. He saw the dark future his people were heading towards: siding with the dark titan Sargeras and transforming into demons. Velen saw the Legion in all its terrible might and witnessed the destruction it would wreak upon all of creation. He hastened to warn Kil'jaeden and Archimonde, but they dismissed his concerns and proceeded to profess loyalty to the Destroyer of Worlds. Together, the latter transformed a majority of their people into an insidious race of warlocks and later allied themselves with the Burning Legion.
Velen nearly despaired, but his prayers for help were answered. A being came to Velen and explained that it was one of the naaru, a race of sapient energy beings bent on stopping the Burning Legion. The naaru offered to take Velen and any other like-minded eredar to safety. Deeply relieved, Velen gathered the other eredar loyal to him. Naming themselves the "draenei", or "exiled ones" in the Eredun language, the renegades barely escaped from Argus in the naaru ship Oshu'gun, with the Burning Legion hot on their heels. Kil'jaeden was furious with what he felt was Velen's betrayal, and the demon vowed to hunt Velen and the rest of the draenei to the ends of the cosmos if need be.
The draenei visited many worlds and explored much of the known cosmos in their quest to find safe harbor. Still, a hell-bent Kil'jaeden would not give up his pursuit, sending his agent Talgath to hunt them down. Meanwhile, the enigmatic naaru race blessed the draenei with Light-given knowledge and power. The naaru explained that there were other forces in the cosmos that would stand against the Burning Legion. One day the naaru would forge them into a single unstoppable army of the Light. Deeply affected by the naaru's words, the draenei vowed to honor the Light and uphold the naaru's altruistic ideals.
At last Velen and his draenei settled upon a remote and peaceful world that seemed an ideal refuge. They named it Draenor, or "Exiles' Refuge", and there they quietly cultivated their society once again. Ever wary of being discovered again by Kil'jaeden's forces, Velen and his mystics kept their magic hidden.
In time the draenei met and befriended the shamanic orc clans that already lived in the tranquil southern grasslands (later called Nagrand). Aside from engaging in some limited trade, the draenei and orcs regarded one another with respect but kept mostly to themselves.
However, no amount of preparation could keep the draenei hidden forever. Eventually, Talgath-after some 25,000 years of pursuit-stumbled upon Draenor, and reported back to Kil'jaeden.
Kil'jaeden, however, was intrigued by the neighboring orcs. Through his protégé Gul'dan, he quickly succeeded in corrupting them. Smoothly manipulated from a state of wary acceptance into blind rage and blood lust, the orcs attacked the draenei. This bloody conflict lasted nearly eight years, but the orcs' triumph was unequivocal. The orcs killed over eighty percent of the draenei race and sent the rest fleeing for safety to the remote corners of the world. Draenei who had fought the Horde and survived found that they had been affected by the fel energies wielded so freely by the orc warlocks. These draenei have since mutated into lesser forms, resulting in a series of subspecies.
Kil'jaeden's revenge was complete, or so he thought - Velen and a handful of untransformed draenei have survived the destruction of their cities by the orcs and fled to Zangarmarsh. There they have been hiding until recently.
Naru Crash Site
The Exodar crash site.
After coming to Draenor, the blood elves discovered the power of Tempest Keep and successfully seized it. To escape, the draenei came out of hiding and managed to wrestle control of a wing of the keep, The Exodar, and tried to use it to flee and find aid in retaking their home. Before they could, however, the blood elves managed to sabotage what is essentially the "engine" of the draenei's transdimensional travel. The remainder of the Keep lies in Outland in Netherstorm and is now the home of Prince Kael'thas.
When the draenei tried to planeshift, their sabotaged engine went haywire, and The Exodar ended up hurtling out of control through the Twisting Nether until it crash-landed on a chain of islands, the Azuremyst Isles, off the western coast of Kalimdor. As the surviving draenei salvaged what they could of their ship and tried to help what was left of their people, they began exploring this new world; contact with the night elves of Darkshore was imminent.
This information about draenei originates from Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne. It predates knowledge of draenei subraces
For centuries the draenei have been battling the Fel Orcs...they have fought the orcs and their demon masters for generations... but in the last hundred years the draenei have been slowly losing. One group was lead by Akama, Elder Sage of the draenei. Cursed orcs serve Magtheridon-a terrible lord whose Black Citadel lies to the west. The cursed orcs, under the command of Magtheridon, hunted the draenei to the brink of extinction. With the help of Illidan and Kael'thas, the draenei hoped to turn the balance in their favor and rid themselves of the fel orcs once and for all. With Illidan's help, they fought back to retake their ancestral lands; and hoped that they would end their curse forever.[1]
This information about draenei originates from the Manual of Monsters "draenei" article and Lands of Conflict. Both sources focus on the Lost Ones draenei-subrace found in the Fallow Sanctuary (Swamp of Sorrows), Blasted Lands, and Outland). The information predates the existence of the Harborage and knowledge of any other draenei subraces.
The draenei lived alongside orcs for countless generations on the planet Draenor. When that world exploded and crumbled into what is now known as Outland, most of the draenei perished. A few managed to survive the cataclysm, however. When the Dark Portal was reopened into Azeroth, a small number of draenei traveled through, scarred by the ordeal of their world's destruction. These ragged wretches now call themselves the "Lost Ones," in mourning of their former world. Though otherwise a peaceful, private race, the draenei carry an intense hatred for all orcs and will slay them whenever the opportunity arises. Their home on Azeroth lies within the Swamp of Sorrows, though some have begun to travel beyond the Swamp’s borders in recent times. Scattered tribes of draenei are rumored to wander still the devastated fields of Outland, the last remnants of Draenor that still float within the Twisting Nether.[2]
Having lost their home ages ago, the draenei struggle to reclaim their former lives - an impossibility, since their home no longer exists. Still, without the attempt, they would wither and die. Another factor that keeps the draenei alive is revenge against the orcs who once lived among them. They will take any risk to see an orc killed. If they can wipe out the entire race, so much the better. The draenei avoid combat unless the enemy in question is an orc. Then the normally peaceful draenei lash out in a fury, doing everything in their power to destroy their hated enemy.[2] They established a colony in the Swamp of Sorrows called the Fallow Sanctuary. They became vicious draenei and sequester themselves from outsiders, called themselves "lost ones".
I Love this narrative. Your language is so exciting to listen in on. You really should be a a public reader. So awesome! Thanks!
It's nice to see someone put the effort of learning the lore and retell it like this. It makes it easier for people like me who want to hear about the lore but don¨t want to read all of it :p
Definitely subscribing.
Keep up the good work!
Thanks, Nobbel
lol pm ! wist niet dat jullie wow leuk vonden xD
My pleasure!
I am REALLY disapointed if they do NOT make a Iron DeLorean engeneers mount!
Of course that mount needs to have the ability to make a portal to our normal Azeroth or maybe our BC Outland. Maybe they could even include that mount in some kind of weird Quest where you need to travel "back to the future" to get some Questitem
Iron DeLorean, pulled by a pair of frostwolves similar to Part 3 with horses.
WOD looks absolutely amazing. Thanks for the video !
I had reactivated my account to play WoD, and as I havent been aware of latest mop lore developments, i got completely lost once i arrived on Draenor (was seeing big names fighting against us). It was kinda ticking me off, but your amazing video cleared everything, thank you very much!
Speaking of "what will happen on Azeroth while we're in the Draenor in the past" think about this, if you havn't already. Who is left in charge of The Horde and Alliance while most of both factions are gone?
I believe the Horde is left with Forsaken, Goblins, and Trolls while the alliance is left with Night Elves, Dwarves, Gnomes, and Worgen.
Putting this in mind, without spoiling everything, I will tell you the expansion after "Warlords of Draenor."
It's what happens in Azeroth while we're all on Draenor.
Basically, they're at each other's throats and it's going to be blamed on The Horde.
Who will be left in charge of the Horde and Alliance?
Warchief Vol'jin, Baine Bloodhoof, Lor'themar and whoever the Orc leader will be will stay on Azeroth.
Likewise Varian, Moira, Malfurion, Gelbin and MU Velen are still on Azeroth.
I'm not sure why you thought entire races are going to Draenor, the racial leaders are staying behind.
The Black Dragon Prince.
***** The orcs still need a racial leader.
Metzen said he wants either Eitrigg or Saurfang as the orc racial leader.
How dare you blasphemy his name, you troll!!!
The horde's in the hands of Vol'jin!
Tim Mitton Saurfang will cleave his way to the top.
Here's something interesting, Nobbel.
Ner'zhul, has a crystal mounted on his staff, that resembles the crystal from which Alexandros Mograine and the former members of Silver Hand forged the Ashbringer.
And considering the Naaru life-cycle (legendary Horde Nagrand quest) and Shadowmoon Clan's involvement of death magic... I think you know where I'm getting at, right?
The Ashpole.
Kimmy Bernhorn
Ye, I started that on forums, taken from mmo-champ. XD
When you first see Mediev opening the portal, he is surrounded by 3 gems don't forget. what about the third one?
evildevinity I feel that's a bit far fetched.
Ashbringer is a dead Narru is a long proposed theory. Would make allot of sense. It was pure dark, then became pure light at a moments notice.
Thanks for making this Nobbel! Really liked it :D Keep up the good work...
oh my gosh i only shaw 30 minutes of it and i have to say good job, it cost so much time to do videos like that and im happy to found someone who can explain such a big story about World of warcraft
What about the arakkoa? They are native to Draenor, being much like their version of the trolls (existed before the other races, had civilization a long time, corrupted and dispersed, etc). I want to see more of this race!
You kept asking things like "why let garrosh escape and do all this if it doesn't affect our azeroth?"
Because it will if we don't close the damn portal. A story isn't made to have a sequel, but to be a good story on it's own.
By that logic, why the flying donkers is Garosh not dead? I remeber hitting my fucking sword into his face several times over. Oh no, we need a stupid plot device to kick of our next expension, he's not dead after all this herperderp.
Btw. the knowledge that it's actually Garosh 'beeing at it again' made me realy angry because of that reason, his story was told.
Pandarias whole reason to extist as an expension was so Garosh can have his epic tale and then Blizz goes NOPE.AVI, just kidding, we couldn't come up with a better antagonist/reason for this to happen so yeah, Garosh.
I love your videos. It would be helpful if on addition to your chronological order video if you had specific folders for each Wow expansion. Regardless you have given me a new appreciation for the game and its lore with your stories. Thank you.
Just found this video...geeking out at an hour and a half of lore!!!
I'm such a massive geek!!!
Hey nobbel. With the new expansion haveing abit of time travel in it. Could you tell us how the brown dragonflight get there power to travel in time? Love the videos keep em coming. /Uncoil
He did, check out the time travel vids
You're right about everything, aside from 1 fact...
The titans, were the ones giving power to the dragonflights... And the bronze dragonflight was given the power to police the timeways...
The titans MADE the timeways, meaning, across infinite timelines... there are only a limited number of titans, meaning, there will STILL, only be 1 sargeras. If they didnt make the timeways, then they themselves would not have the power to give the dragonflight, their power.
Because how can you create time, unless you, yourself, exist outside of time? Something to remember, and also something to consider... Time travel is tricky, but if there's one thing i've been obsessing about for years, that is time travel.
There will still only be 1 sargeras.
EDIT: You drink demon blood, whilst a slave to its effects, you are completely red, the longer you're in that state, the more corrupted you become, thats why some... let's call them blood orcs, actually grow horns and spike all over their body... In fact, demonic enslavement isnt nessecary for this, i believe gul'dan grows spikes out of his back too... it's fel mutation, the more active fel energy is in your body, the more your body mutates into that of a demon.
Once a blood orc is purified of the demonblood enslavement, the energy isnt active, given it's expelled from the body, but it leaves a permanent scar on the orc, green skin.
Alternatively, an orc that is managed to be able to use fel magic, (assuming this orc originally had brown skin), will gradually begin to develope green skin... because red orc skin, is the colour of demonic enslavement, but green skin is the colour of demonic history... you know?
Inside the azeroth horde, orcs have green skin, so there's really no way to tell the difference between an orc shaman or an orc warlock. In the iron horde, it's quite easy to tell the difference, as you might allready know.
Never thought of it like that, and you are completely right. Thank you for the explanation.
All the enthusiasm in his voice. All the hype. Proper greek tragedy over here.
Hi Nobbel87, I love your work and I appreciate very much, since I can't play Wow regulary cause I am a student and don't have much time, you help me keep up with lore. One thing I cannot follow up in many of your and other people videos is what is Sylvanas doing, what are those 'bad stuff'. I also heard that Garrosh controlled her but I don't know anything about it, Can you please help me understand this? Thank you very much :D
Thrall did a lot, but he is not that old to retire yet. He is younger than Garrosh, and most of the player orcs. He better not retire yet.
***** hes not he thinks its better for him and his family
It's not World of Familycraft.
Dude, I don't know where your accent's from but it sounds awesome. I don't play WoW, but I do love the story from it. Learning about it from you seems to be more entertaining than others I've heard it from. Keep it going buddy.
Never thought id able to say one day "I watched 1 hour, 29 minutes, and 21 seconds straight of a youtube video"
This Nobbel87 is so captivating my god, love this kind of shit. Hopefully they bring back aspects of the old expansions that made the game good.
This Xpac better be damn good, no new class, no new races, that would give blizzard leaps and bounds more time to work on the story.
No new class, no new race. Instead every other race is getting redesigned.
player housing is pretty huge
Jerry Peet Yup, i think the next race will be the naga though, in the expansion after wod as they have a lot of great story, and if i remember right they had something to do with the water elemental lord thingy's capture.
Carolino Calvao Not in MMO's. I'm sure they have taken a lot of lessons learned from other games to create strongholds.
Tendo Zyi wow has 7 more expansions they said the next expansion will be about the naga or the dark below
Warcraft Rant: Warlords of Daenor explained by meee.
"So Garrosh is in panda jail, pouting because the heroes beat him up and took his Horde away because he 'just' killed several thousand people for no reason. So to bide his time, he gets into writing fan fiction. He writes fan fiction about his dad, and how cool it would be if he were alive and in charge of the Horde. A Horde with cannons and guns and lazer beams and black jack and hookers! That would be so cool!"
"Then a magical faery dragon comes along and turns Garrosh's fan fiction into it's own reality... and now you must fight it! Have fun!"
Lununguis
It's sarcasm. Thus the quotation marks around 'just'. Garrosh doesn't know why people are mad at him... cause he is a ragey dumb person.
Sounded more like rage at the plot of the expansion more than a sarcastic take on what Garrosh was thinking. Might want to specify. :)
Stephen Dreamon If you talk about a topic enough on the internet, Hitler always appears in the conversation. It's true, it was on QI and everything :P
Stephen Dreamon Not sure why Warlords of Draenor deserves rage. Sure, people might be disappointed that Garrosh isn't out of the picture yet, but he isn't going to be the main focus or even a primary boss in the expansion. He's just a puppet.
"By staying off the demon juice."
That is the funniest shit I have ever heard. XD
DAT WALLPAPER AT THE BEGINNING ...i laughed tears, cause of this random wallpaper...
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zachary turley
lol a roblox fan
Can we all like his marker comment for no reason
Questioneverything Done
Who watched it all without skipping? :D
I’ve watched it a couple times without skipping, but this is one of my favorite things to listen to while I go to sleep. This was when his older microphone made him sound even softer :P although I really do absolutely love his content from Legion and newer
Also I wanna point our how cute it is that he didn’t know yet how to pronounce Auchindoun 😂
this channel is literally the only thing keeping me playing this game XD
Wow, this is amazing. First 5 minutes and I know so much more.
how dose this man not have a million subs
if I was an orc I would totally join the iron horde
but I would try ad keep my honor intact
Id join grom in battle too and i am an orc
fussysaur i'd still be totally cool with that. The Iron Horde is just so appealing and fighting alonside a united old Horde and all of the warlords seems awesome. I have too much respect for Grom and i genuinely liked that Garrosh is a character that has actual feelings and isn't just a boring bland character like some overrated characters *cough cough* Varian
Iron Horde is screwed. They have less clans that the Original Horde and no support from the Burning Legion. They have to face all of their opponents at once while being bled by defections.
Thrall can convince Grom, Ner'zhul and Doomhammer to defect to the Second Horde.
fussysaur
Yup i'd get raped alot .-.
Its like watching an 8/10 movie. Brilliant job Nobbel!
ShunerRen VEVO i rate 9/11
this guy is amazing, thank you this was super entertaining
In my opinion, the REASON WHY they are making WoD and having us go to Draenor and confronting these orc warlords is to get us ready for the WARCRAFT MOVIE. Think about it, the Warcraft movie is gonna be partially set in Draenor. What better way to get more players into WoW than to have the game show a world and notable orc characters we may see in the movie. This is a hidden agenda publicity stunt! This expansion is merely a side quest because it will not affect our lore in OUR Azeroth. If any notable character from this alternate reality Draenor crossed the Dark Portal, we'd have to worry about lore issues that happened in our past. So in short, my opinion, this is just a side adventure with no really repercussions that is meant to gain subscriptions through old players that liked BC and new players that will see the same characters and Draenor both in the Warcarft movie.
It's all because of money(but i still want to see that story) and alternate relativity opens a way to a new expansions in the future for example(i hope it won't happen): We are done with orcs in dreanor, killed last xpac boss then we try to go back to our azeroth, step through dark portal and *puff* we end up in alternate azeroth because some evil(put here whatever you want:old gods, titans, big spiders or Hogger) managed to change our dark portal into portal to alternate azeroth. Aaand you have another 20 years of expansions. Let's hope Blizzard won't read this, because who knows...it may end up with*great* idea for their money making machine.
I agree, but I believe it has something to do with the fact that TBC was one of the best expansions, and they want to make another one like that.
Nehlev I agree. But I would like to see old Azeroth as well.
In my opinion, they're making WoD to make another expansion :D
Ben Owens azeroth was sleeping when draenor started the party...
get me?
Show us the story of Tirion fordring ;)
he was one of the first pallys thats it lol
He's got quite a nice background story if you look up Of Blood and Honor.
Amazing work. Thank you for doing this for everyone :)
If you guys don't understand, there is 4 alternate dimensions. Azeroth [Ours], Outland[Ours] (these 2 effect eachother). The other 2 are the alternate azeroth and draenor (these 2 effect eachother). Hope this helped thanks.
End boss is obviously Bolvar Fordragon
Lol true story
They actually announced this already when asked, being Grom Hellscream
Glaestio PvP that wasn't a serious answer. They just wanted to get the rude guy an answer so he would shut up.
Floris M That's a straight up lie, the end boss is going to be Grom, it ties in with the lore easily, Bolvar would make absolutely no fucking sense whatsoever.
Mankrik's wife will be the final boss. 100% confirmed!
I personally would love to fight Grom! I can only imagine how epic of a fight that would be! Since this timeline doesn't have an effect on ours we could kill him without damaging our current time, just this parallel one.
I see that you have put really much time and effort into this, and i'm really thankful for that! Keep up the good work ;)
Love the work and thought that went into this, thank you!
such lore. wow. much interest.
You know what would be fucking amazing for the next expansion?
To have the option to create a character half Human/Draenei, Orc/Troll or Blood Elf/Night Elf and so on doing so would give your character a different design and look or even different racial skills.
Personally, I would definitely make a Human/Blood Elf or a Draenei/Human.
*Taurent/Gnome?* Which would make a smaller looking Tauren with less fur? xD
But it won't happen sadly...
Luna Skye
It doesn't have to be half human in WoW any race can breeds with anything as far as I know. =/
Anyway a option to make your character taller, shorter, fatter or skinnier would be nice too.
I would make a Giant Fat Human or a little Orc the side of a Dwarf or a Gnome extremely fat. ;p
Achille12345 Tauren/Gnome ??
Luna Skye I assume you mean Garona, a Orc/Draenei, but the lore isn't specific on her actually and it's suggested various times that she's not half-draenei and just a weaker orc by in-game characters like Brann Bronzebeard.
There are however half-breeds that we know are true. Med'an is Garona's son with Medivh, that would make him at least half-human/half-orc, and possible half-human, quarter-orc, quarter-draenei, unless the alternate theory that Garona is half-human is true, that would mean Med'an is three-quarter-human, quarter-orc.
There's also Arator, half-human, half-high elf son of Turalyon and Alleria, Lelior who's three-quarter night elf and quarter troll, Rexxar who's half-orc, half-ogre and Falrevere who's hinted at being part-dwarf but mostly human.
Captain Corrumpo
I don't know why, but than would be amazing. lol
***** Garona's origin is confirmed in the comics. The brother of her mother, her uncle, is Vindicator Maraad. You may know him as the draenei paladin from the Burning Crusade trailers. Also you forgot Giramar and Galadin, Rhonin and Vereesa's twin half-human/half-high-elf sons.
And some extras: For Lelior to be quarter troll, his mother must have been a half-troll. And Half-orc/Half-ogre used to be common enough for them to have their own clan - The Mok'Nathal
Great video! I think the next expansion is going to be pretty good! I really like the lore! Especially when Thrall is in!
This was pretty helpful because, playing through the game now, you hit the level for the content and just get a quest that tells you nothing except "go to the Blasted Lands and repel the Horde invasion." I still have no idea how those on Azeroth got wind of this and knew the portal was linking to a different Draenor or how we knew what was coming through though. I didn't see anything ingame or here about how this all started from the side of people on Azeroth before the point you have the quest.
Auchindoun is pronounced Ahck-In-Doon
Your profile picture makes your comment perfect. Disappointed Kermit is disappointed
Fiery Jesus OMFG I know right?
Lukrix289 calm down.
Or rather, Awk-in-doon
why they dont make new race : blood orcs for horde and nagas for alliance?
because that makes no sense lmfao
lol ur right....
XD ahaha
I Really think they should bring in "Naga" As a race though... for Alliance and for horde idk tbh
Wallace Luna agree! :D
Watching all these lore videos from you made me want to get more into pve content
Hey Nobbel, love your vids! Anyway, do you think Kargath will join with us? You did say in the original storyline that he was sorta just left behind and he realised this, do you think he will see this as being betrayed and maybe join us in all his badass glory? Also is there going to be new orc models like maybe the ability to make a Brown Orc like Gromm or even whitish like Kargath?
Hmm, okay I’ve watched the whole vid and got to be honest, I’m very sceptical as to why they chose this to be the next expansion. Firstly I’m glad they chose the alternative dimension route rather than straight up time travel. This way they won’t outright change any of the lore from Vanilla to Mists and it’ll all still be relevant. At the same time it’s a slippery slope to incredibly lazy story writing, see DC’s alternative/infinite universe stories. It’s basically an excuse to do really bold and crazy stories, but then take the cowards way out and say “oh, this take place in universe B, so universe A is actually unchanged”. Technically it’s still cannon, but at the same time none of it matters. It becomes all too easy to just repeat that formula over and over.
Also there’s the problems brought up at 1:11:35. It’s great that the past hasn’t been fucked up but now there’s two of everything? Sounds like a right royal mess. Maybe it’ll turn out all right and surprise a lot of people like mists did, but there are just so many other options they could’ve explored, and ultimately the thing I care most about WC is the lore.
I like the (hidden) idea of this expansion: "Let's give players the opportunity to see and interact with the orcs and draenei from the past". - However, Garrosh going back in time for a second round and reality change sounds like a smart move, but yet too rash to be an excuse. I am also fond of Warcraft's lore even if I don't know each and every detail of it and the only thing that makes me frown at this expansion is the factor... Garrosh.
That would been awkward if any Forsaken and/or Death Knights were present when they killed Ner'zhul, the Death knights would turn back to normal and the forsaken would either be alive again or just cease to exist altogether,
I don't think it's a coincidence that this time frame links up well with the WoW movie... this lore will link up well with the upcoming film!
***** No they wouldn't, anything you do on this Draenor, such as killing Grommash, or like you say killing Ner'Zhul, will have absolutely no effect on our Azeroth, this draenor is not the draenor connected to our timeline.
velenvskaelhas
I know, I was saying that if this were a full-blown time-travel "You kill a butterfly you could sink continents down the line!" type expansion, I'm aware that the timeline presented in WoD is separate from the "prime" timeline.
Could you do a lore for Deathwing? I know nothing and I wanna know something other than the goblin questline.
+Peace The Cat He's a dumb dragon that Alleria kills in WC2 :)
Theory: Old Velen is the last, final boss. After he hears these horrible stories about the orcs destroying his people, he fights to prevent it. As the story goes on, he does violent things, and progressively becomes more aggressive as he fights the war against the dark things on Draenor (which will probably be more than just Garrosh and the Iron Horde, like how WotK had more bad guys than just the Lich King, or Mists had more bad guys than just the Sha), until he falls into darkness. I know it will be difficult to make that believable, since Velen is so ancient and has lead his people away from corruption for thousands of years, and done so through all kinds of hell and high-water, but I just think it would be incredibly cool to see one of the paragons of the light fall. It would fit in well with the book War Crimes's theme of "we all could have been like Garrosh if we had made different choices". Also, it might be a great thing for Anduin, who I'm pretty sure will grow to be the leader of the Army of the Light, to witness, as he has great respect for Velen and sees him as a mentor.
Also, I think that eventually, we'll get an expansion where we attack a world controlled by the Burning Legion. I don't know how that will work out, but WoD could have the potential to lead into that situation.
Nobbel! Awesome video!
Could you or anyone you know take this and turn it into a web chart of relationships between all these characters for quick referral? It would look cool and probably be quite useful to those wanting to maintain savvyness on the lore.
World of Warcraft:Back to the Future
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well, 6 peeps agree wit me, LEET!!!
I also agree with you:)
RIP old Khadgar model.
Chris Metzan xD out there on stage killin it xD LOL! ta ta ta ta Today Junior!
considering how the expansion has fallen into place so far, i wouldn't be surprised to find out that the expansion boss isn't necessarily grom hellscream so much as it is grom being puppeteered by an old god. like son like father.
Alot of people asking questions in the comments that got answered multiple times in the video.
well they gave us about 1/2 of the they promised, great job blizzard
One of the things, and I am not completely up to date on any relative speculation... is that if something is influencing Kairoz, or Kairoz is trying to do something on his own for whatever reason, maybe that is what is driving the Iron Horde to commit these actions. Which then begs the question to me, if there is some kind of external influence taking place, how much of the Warlords is authentic to their past selves...? I really find this concept kind of fascinating, because I don't have any expectations. I am probably going to be overwhelmingly surprised no matter what happens. All and all... I enjoyed (as always) this video tremendously, I found it to be extremely insightful.
Even tough I don't play world of warcraft because I don't want to spend money so often I really love it's story and lore thanks for the awsome videos dude :)
in Warlords of Draenors is Grommash Hellscream is alive.
Perhaps but somebody must ask those dumbest question.
Giovani Comin
Yes....
after your video, Im really into the orde histoy line, please, could you recomed me some novel or comic line about all of it? thanks!
Damn same here. I play wow for a long time, but I never really read about the lore (though I played warcraft). But the story is so fascinating..
Lord of the clans, raise of the hoard.
Search "lore for noobs horde". It's about a 50 min vid about pretty much everything up to Cataclysm.
Lloyd Wang
'Hoard' means to gather things into your house, or 'collect' them, and keep them there forever because you create a strong bond in your mind with them. 'horde' is the term used in world of warcraft :3
Your videos are awesome, and I'm really happy you're still doing them.
I have a question, though- what's going to happen with Wrathion? He's been with us since Cata, and do you think he'll come with us?
j/k awesome vid, didn't know a lot of this and it made me feel connected to the story again :)
Well if Ner'zhul's soul was never put into the Lich Kings Armour then that means in that time line Arthas never became the Lich King and was never killed. Meaning the scouge was never invented and Cindragose was never brought back. So that means everything that ever so happened never happened. Which also means that the wrath of the Lich King never happened which causes the Death night class never to be invented and Salvanes to not have the Valkry which means when she fought against the worgen in Silverpine Forest and died she was never brought back causing Lord Godfrey to be brought back to life. Also Sylvanes does not get turned into a banshee from Arthas meaning the undead are not part of the horde causing the plague never to be invented. So yeah all the story is ruined in one timeline and in the other its all perfect and happy. Right? Right.
OK that makes Makes it a bit easier to understand thank you.
I'm curious to see if Medivh is still alive, if Kill'Jaden is still in contact with Gul'dan, where does that leave that timeline's Medivh? If their Dark Portal was never connected, then Medivh's corruption wouldn't have been found out by that timeline's Khadgar and friends....
Marty McFly Hellscream.
"What the the hell is a Jiggawat? EXPLAIN OLD MAN!"
I believe this next expansion they are going to try to reclaim older subscriptions rather than campaign for new players. This is probably why they are returning to an area that was their most popular expansion to date. I'm so excited to see all my favorite areas again revamped to their original glory. I will be pretty upset if Grom is the end boss this time around.
Thanks for posting this, because i really didn't know anything about new expansion.
how did u get that map of the old outland
It's in the game manual that comes with Warcraft 2: Tides of Darkness
oh
google xD