My girlfriend just started playing WoW. She really liked Sylvanas and wanted to know more about her so we sat down and watched this. She enjoyed the video and now wants to know more Warcraft lore. Thanks for making such a great video Nobbel!
I love Sylvanas, she's one of the most epic lore characters. I don't see her as either an antagonist or a protagonist, she does what she believe is the right thing for her cause, she's not bad, but she's not good either, I'd call her a neutral anti-hero. And I really hope that we will see the return of Alleria Windrunner, becuase she's still MIA. Also remember that if Sylvanas dies, then there's no one who can succeed her in leading the Forsaken, which would mean that Undead race would sooner or later die, and Loarderon would be re-taken by the Humans and Worgen, which would be bad.
***** You're just an Alliance sympathizer, and I claim that you're wrong. And no, it's not he Humans land, the rightful owners of Loarderon are the Undead since Warcraft 3, according to the rules of conquest, it is officially ruled by the Undead,thus making it their land. If you put it in simple terms, the Humans own the southern parts of the Eastern Kingdoms, i.e. everything between Redridge Mountains and the southern border of Duskfall, the Dwarfs own the middle part of the Eastern Kingdoms, everything known as Kaz Modan is part of the Dwarven Kingdom, which include the Wetlands, and everything til the northern border of Badlands, and including Twilight Highlands, Loarderon is owned by the Undead, that include the Plaguelands, and all down to Southshore, and then there's Quel'Thalas that's owned by the Blood Elfs. Ans other places such as Stanglethorne, Blasted Lands, Swamp of Sorrows, Arathi Highlands etc. is neutral, and isn't concidered to be owned by anyone. And no, I don't think that either Koitra nor Mograine are suitable leaders for the Forsaken, Koitra lacks authority, and Mograine is the neutral leader of the Death Knights and the Ebon Blade.
first reaction to seeing 1:30:00 of lore "wtf? who would sit here for an hour listening to lore?!" *one hour 18 minutes later* "This shit better have a part 2"
Yeah, in part 2, horde will beg alliance to come and help them save themselves from Sylvanas... Again... Just like with Garrosh... Blizz must be running out of ideas.
Sometimes i dont even bother with wow lore, i'd rather just play the game, but then.... buuuuut theeeeeen... i stumble into this... and my ass shits here for hrs just listening/watching the lore and im so into it!!! LOL
Damnit, a lot has changed about the lore of sylvanas. Because she just became warchief and alleria is back aswell as turalyon. A remake of this video would be AWESOME
+Nobbel87 Totally worth the 1m views mate, thank you for making these vids, you do sylvanas more then justice, I love the forsaken and my queen, i am really really curious what blizz got for her in legion cheers
"A quick death, like the one you gave me? No. You're going to suffer as I did. Thanks to my arrow, you can't even run. Give my regards to hell, you son of a bitch."
As someone who just recently started playing wow and is dying to learn as much about the lore as possible, your video's have been a godsend for me. These are great, thank you so much for making all of these!
Nice video Nobbel, i love lore from anything that's well done. I was thinking to start playing WoW since my brother started last week, but i'm a little worried: is it too late to start playing?
Thank you and Warlords is probably the best time in years to jump into the game. You'll get a boosted 90 so you're right up there with everyone else and you can always level alts or re do quests to see what you missed out on.
don't start with your boosted char! first lvl each class to 20, then lvl a char to lvl 100. later you can make a twink with the boost. otherweise you won't be able to play that class and you'll get really frustrated
I got int the game. Now i'm with a lvl 20 Warlock in the SE and i liked him. Really wish to buy the game and continue playing but i didn't know there was a subscription, this demotivates me a lot, knowing i have to pay every month to play and if i can't i will not be able to log in the game makes me sad...
You don't have to pay for one month at a time. If you do that you would spend over $200 per year. What i do is pay the $75 for 6 months so that way i am only spending $150 a year. Yes that is alot of money, but you have to think. If you have a job where you're earning at least $350 every two weeks you are earning at least $700 a month. If you only buy your everyday personal hygiene (which you should buy the cheapest item) you should buy at least 5 of each item so that way you don't have to worry a money expenditure you will be set for the next 6 months which during those months you will have earned and saved around $3000. That should hold you for at least a years worth subscription. I hope this information helps you in making a decision to keep playing Warcraft. If there is anymore information you would like that will help you in making a decision you will find me on Warcraft between the hours of. DAYTIME:12pm-4pm. NIGHTTIME:10pm-3am. My main characters names are Reaperdrake and Druidreaper. I am on the Aggramar realm. I welcome all newcomers that want information. I also help toons that are on a difficult quest and need assistance. If you need help trying to find a place that you can't find just ask me and i will gladly help you.
I am a Warcraft 3 player (a huge offline and backseat gamer). I never played WoW, but I love the lore of all of Warcraft. This channel is a masterpiece. Thank you so much, I will be watching all your videos through a looooooong while :) You're awesome!
Martin Mullender-Taeter Deathknight is pretty much a warrior and warlock combine. Paladin is a priest and warrior, some can even say a shaman is a druid and warrior combine.
***** warcraft 3's was worlds better than any other that followed... she had death and pain in her voice unlike the new voice actors who just don't convey the same...
Thanks so much for taking the time and effort to do all that research and present it in such a cohesive and intriguing way, it was truly enjoyable to watch!
I love the story of Sylvanas Windrunner. There really needs to be redemption for her. Somehow to redeem herself so she won't go to hell but be accepted into heaven. She suffered enough.
They could make something like: WoW: The Burning Legion In there, we could have an epic battle against archimonde. The Alliance and Horde join forces as archimonde tries to do some crazy things like destroying the world tree again. And Sylvanas would sacrifice herself to save not only her sisters, but the whole world as well. And then she will ascend to heaven and be remembered a hero.
Sylvanas' story will continue in Legion. I hope Blizzard will give her a redemption story after what they did with her during Cataclysm. I've always seen her more as an anti- hero than a villain. I'm sure many people disagree with me, but I have a soft spot for women, especially elven women with a tragic backstory.
You know what's funny? The fact that anyone even likes her. She has no redeemable qualities whatsoever. She hated Arthas, yet has no problem being exactly what he was. She used plague on Gilneas, she ordered the production of the plague used at Wrathgate, and her latest atrocity, attacking Teldrassil. Now look at Jaina, she has talked about peace between the Alliance and Horde since the end of Warcraft 3 up until Pandaria, where Garrosh nuked Theramore, she wanted revenge, and Horde fanboys hate her more than anything. See how that makes the wow fanbase completely and utterly retarded and incapable of telling a great character from a really shitty one?
the wrathgate wasnt sylvanas bro, atleast get the facts right. And she is not exactly like arthas. You had to follow arthas because he killed you and he made you his slave with no brain. Sylvanas gives you the choice. If you follow her you made the decision to do so. But who gives a shit anyway im just saying.
Oluf The Explorer -- What's funny is how people care so much about people liking a character. You don't like them? Good for you. TF you getting so triggered about over someone's likes for? No need to go on a _[factually incorrect]_ tirade at people that do. Not like you're changing their mind. It's really not that serious.
@@oluftheexplorer9476 Well, she's not a *bad* character, in that sense. Her character is excellently written and extremely interesting. Just because her character is *morally* in the wrong, doesn't mean she's a poor character as a whole. The only reason she has no problem with "being" what Arthas was is simply because they are different in many ways. She has *very* different goals- they're simply to survive, and slaughter anyone who would stand against them. She's only raising the dead because she has to in order to keep the Forsaken going- not because she wants to.
@@tiraguard1716 The only difference between the two is one has a penis, the other a vagina. There's no one standing against her, this conflict is entirely manufactured by her, so that's a load of crap. And raising the dead to keep the Forsaken going isn't really an excuse as there's nothing to keep going in the first place.
I am dying to see Alleria's reaction once she learns that her sister is the new Warchief....According to the lore she will tear her apart, I mean she really really really hates the Horde.
As a massive Sylvanas fan I really enjoyed this video. you made it very easy to understand listen to and I really appreciate the detail and information I now have on one of my favourite wow characters and the lore behind her journey. Definitely subscribing here and look forward to watching some more.
This video is absolutely amazing! You are awesome Nobbel. I am a newer player, and a huge fan of Sylvanas. This video really helped me get up to speed with the parts of her back story I didn't know and helped me understand all of her main motivations.
Great piece Nobbel, thanks! I quit WoW after BC and am returning now, this was a great way to catch up to what one of my fav characters has been doing. I wonder what her relationship with Lor'Themar will be. A piece on him would be appreciated as well by the way ;)
I don't understand why people are complaining why she raises the dead, and why raising the dead is so bad. People don't want to die to begin with, she gives them that second chance, if you die NOW would you want to stay dead or finish what you haven't? You have free will as an undead thanks to her, you're not mindless so I don't get why people are complaining. She will never die, killing her would mean killing the Forsaken race as well, so people wanting her dead doesn't make sense and people complaining that not killing her off because of her fanbase are just fucking stupid. I am Forsaken...
_"I don't get why people are complaining."_ *First:* She's a bitch who disregard life. The problem isn't that she raise poor unfortunate soul but want the world to be like her... DEAD. For example, she made a poison that would decimate the undead but make damn sure it decimated the living as well, poison she use multiple time despite being ordered not to. In the interaction and lore, it's evident she regard the living the same way Paladins regard undead. With disgust. That anti-life sentiment, she displayed it multiple time. *Second:* She's not giving anyone the choice. It hard to ask if someone want to be turn or not when they gurgling blood and fading fast. Regardless she's raise any body she can. For those who manage to retain their memories, which are fews, they are usually disgusted by their new form. Some of which have taken taking their own... eh... Unlife? The others slowly go mad with the revelation. If that's what you get from raising people with their mind intact, I'm willing to extrapolate that everyone would want a noble death to a eternity as a rotten corpse. Hell, that's what Sylvana wanted back in Warcraft 3, isn't it? *Third:* She's bad as a leader or a follower. There's multiple account of her going out of her way to piss people off. When you manage to make Garrosh grimace in horror, the guy who did unspeakable crimes, you know you've fucked up. Not to mention the incident where she lose control of her own forces. "No, it's not me it's just my high scientific guy who went behind my back I'm not responsible". Yeah, she kinda is. It's her job to keep her forces in line. If she can't, she's not a very good leader. Beside that, Thrall, Garrosh and... well, we don't know yet since the next expansion lead away from the regular timeline... didn't trust her for ONE MINUTE. *Fourth:* They don't have a place in game. Specially not with the Shamanistic Horde who worship the element and commune with their ancestors. They, at multiple occasion, shown they believe that the spirit should depart the body in death. Raising the death is desecrate the body and forcefully bound the soul to the carcass which is something they would consider like the highest on the list of things you can do to shit on your heritage. They also don't have a place with the Alliance because their religion is based on the LIGHT, which is just a PC word for GOD. Seem like God don't like his creation being perverted since HOLY LIGHT hurt the undead. Sure, there's shadow priest and if you want to go anal on this, they can just as well worship of a God of Darkness (tho the keep the name of the attack for simplicity) or Old God. They even might have Cthulhu on speed dial (and I just know that joke will be the crux of your rebuttal because there's little ammo you can use). Thing is, their religion is against it. A undeniable pure force of darkness and even the undead who wield the light HURT THEMSELVES BADLY wielding it. *Finally:* The only real reason there is a undead race isn't because Sylvana is cool, it's because it's the archetype of any RPG game, both paper or on the screen. The Revenant Race in D&D. The Dhampir in Pathfinder. There's a whole system of games based around the undead with the White Wolf books series call World Of Darkness (Vampire: the Requiem, Geist: the Sin Eater, Mummy: the Curse). They have a long standing tradition in the fantasy genre and there's denying it. They have been at the core of some of the best stories but... there's nothing redeeming the Forsaken here. She hasn't accomplish anything worthy of her place nor done anything that couldn't be achieved by any other races. She got free not by her own action but by those of the heroes in Warcraft 3 and the weakening of Arthas' (the Lich King's) power. No, instead, she's sustained by the some of the weirdest character ever... who seem to have a maggot infested boner for her. _"yes im undead mage and i love her so much"_ - Saud Aj (comment bellow)
Akalistos First:She Raises Peopel cause she wants to serve the horde and thats like asking a race to stop reproducing Second: she does indeed give u a choice U have 3 choice after you are raised u can go back to the grave/join hte forsaken/Go you own fuking way Third: she isnt a bad leader and while she isnt completly out of responsibility but if u get Betrayed and backstabbed by one of your most trusted Servent then there isnt much u can do Fourth:They do have a place in game the horde isnt Shamanisticwho worship the element and commune with their ancestors the old orcs were but hte new horde is a family and they care about peace (vol jin,thrall ) Finnally:While its true what u said about undeads sylvanas is cool and she got free because she had a strong will and yes while the events were important in her getting free she is still very powerful and wanted arthas dead and so did others with a stron will(Wotlk ) All that i left out (Example alliance and undead) i agree with i just wanted to Correct these points As i see them
Honestly, under the right circumstances Arthas and Sylvanas would make a very good match in an alternate universe imo. Both being headstrong and fearless leaders whose main priorities are safeguarding their people...Not to mention it would complete the set as the other Windrunner sisters are married to humans as well. Imagine if Ner'zhul chose Varian instead.
Kel'Thuzad actually mentioned something like that. Kel' Thuzad "She is persistent...reminds me of you, Death Knight." Arthas" Shut up, you damned ghost."
@Nobbel87 I have looked at a bunch of WoW videos lately and I always choose yours because your presentation is excellent - specifically you have and use a rather theatrical voice styling that works very well for the topic.
I have a theory that Sylvannas doesn't actually go to hell whenever she dies, and that it is all just a scenario created by the Val'Kyr to keep her alive. The reason I think this is that the Val'Kyr seem entirely dependant on serving an undead master, and it makes sense that they would prefer to serve Sylvannas since Bolvar's not gonna do shit as the Lich King. Another reason is that there were many convenient coincidences in Sylvannas's hell, such as how she would see Arthas suffering in the short time she spent in hell and how the Val'Kyr are always with her when she is killed.
Also, I find it annoying that Sylvannas has begun dying left and right ever since she gained control of the Val'Kyr. Blizzard seems to feel the need to hammer it in.
UPDATE: Perhaps ever since the death of Arthas, the Val'kyr that joined the forsaken began serving the remnant's of Yogg'Saron. Perhaps Yogg or another old god are using the Val'kyr to influence the forsaken and Sylvanas into making enemies out of the Alliance. The reason I believe this is because Raid Boss in Emerald Nightmare mentions how Sylvanas is prophesised to play a part in the Old gods' plans, and I feel like this is the way they would go about it. Another reason is since Yogg'Saron is Hope's End, pretty much the god of anguish and depression, he could use Sylvanas' loathing of her own evil nature to manipulate her actions. And it also makes sense since the hell that Sylvanas suffers in is possibly the Void, the realm of the Old Gods.
Interesting idea... But probably not entirely true. Remember, they actually die whenever they resurrect her. I don't think they would sacrifice their lives just for a "scenario" as you called it.
+Steven Seagull Uhh dude, not disagreeing with you on the whole "Alliance wants to kill the undead", cause it's true, but the whole Nazi/Jew comparison is really distasteful, and really... just, not comparable.
also, regarding sylvanas' necklace, Players can go to windrunner spire in the ghostlands and one of the mobs will drop it, thats how you get her to sing lament of the highborne, I'm saying this cause no one goes to the ghostlands and still asks how to get her to sing.
Excellent Lore piece. And now, with the events of Legion, we know what happen with Sylvanas and I (for one) am most pleased. But, if at all possible, please update this post because I would love to hear and see you take on the whole story line.
Sylvanas' character does not really need to develop. She is ice-cold because of what happened to her and she should be DOING some more stuff, but not changing her personality. I think, most of the NPCs needed more action in the game. So them appearing in the Broken Isles is some kind of start. I want NPCs to be involved with the story. Not only me as a single player playing the campaign mode of WoW during questing....
This is why I'm so glad they made classic WoW a thing! You can pick which expansion you start and they are about to drop the lich one as well. Getting the full story is great. The books are worth it too!
Rhonin is not dead! We hear him in Dalaran everday! Sorry Nobbel, that's in the game. Until Blizzard changes that, that is the way it is. Many of us don't rely on books until they are incorporated into the game.
I feel so bad for her... She's my favorite character in WC lore. I hope one day she'll be able to clean her name as she truly is a hero. Her story should be told to children to teach them that revenge won't fix anything. Revenge is a path of anger to even more suffering. I really hope one day when there will be peace on Azeroth she'll be able to make a cure for her and her people. That would be a perfect ending in my eyes. Also I might add that maybe Vereesa and Alleria could help her find her way back now that we know Alleria is still alive in WoW. I wonder what impact will that have on Sylvanas.
Thy'lek Shran What crimes are you talking about? All I hear is people saying that but no1 has ever pointed out what crimes she has to pay for.. I know few things that we could call crimes but mostly people point out events at the Wrath Gate and plague attack on Gilneas.. If people knew the lore better they'd know that these weren't really her crimes / orders. I agree with jaharned1.. how the events are unfolding she's gonna die.. just like all the other "old" heroes of Azeroth... Blizz decided it's time to replace them all... We'll see what'll happen in next few patches.. It's 100% sure now she won't become the new Lich King or Queen should I say since DKs forge their artifact weapon from fragments of Frostmourne...
Wouldn't make any sense to kill her, I mean did any of you hear Vol'jin's last words? That she was going to step out of the shadows and save the horde? I hope it doesn't become a thing to keep on killing the warchiefs because it would seriously get ridiculous. But I get the feeling there is going to be a change with her, bad or good; and actually I'm learning a little bit more towards good but you never know.
When I saw the lenght of this video I was like ''oh hell no Im not going to watch all that''. But it was very interesting and you have a good story telling voice. Thanks :) Now I know the full story of the hero I liked in WCIII and was considering crafting in Hearthstone =P Thanks again!
killing Sylvanas would be 4th warchief exchanged xD ... I don't think they want to change warchiefs each expansions ... also, not sure who would be interesting enough to lead the forsaken .. to be honest now, I am having a hard time finding an interesting troll or orc leading them (presuming thral is on leave and Eitrig and Saurfang are OLDer than dirt ) .
I think her becoming warchief sort of contradicts your last statement. I can't imagine anything more risky to your life than becoming leader of the horde. Do you think Sylvanas has changed?
With her becoming Warchief and the reveal of pure, "sunborne" Valkyr in Stormheim and the Halls of Valor, I think they're setting up a redemption arc in which she and the Forsaken can be, not cured, but purified.
What many people don't consider is the time that passed through MoP and WoD where she was literally cut from the story. That's around 3-4 years (in game) where she was working alongside the Horde with practically no issues. The idea that her opinions have changed in that time is not soo farfetched.
+Red Sparrow We should remember that even the undead can be turned to a better path. The Argent Crusade (it had members of the Forsaken in it) and the Knights of the Ebon Blade were proof enough. And Chris Metzen did say he loves a good redemption story after all.
Poor Sylvanas. Her Family and Friends are like dead, She warned her people but they couldn't do ANYTHING but prey for mercy,Her SOUL was TAKEN by The little spoiled brat Arthus,(litch king) and is the Banshee queen and even though she got REVENGE on Arthus! She still is just the banshee queen I feel SOOOO bad for her!
Sylvanas Windrunner your my Favorit warchief :D I hoped since thrall You will be the leader of the Great Horde :) And of course for someone who died multiple times your still sexy as hell
Sylvanas is the single most boring character. She is written in a way that she's just evil for the sake of being evil, and her backstory isn't even that sad. She has no redeemable qualities, and that's why it's great she will die in BfA
"This isn't over, Arthas. I'll never stop hunting you." And she still hasn't, but there's no Arthas to chase anymore, so she chases the Arthas in her soul.
Long live... long live? he's still dead! unless Sylvanas brings him back which would be hilarious but I doubt any of the other Horde leaders would allow that to happen.
2nd saddest story after Arthas. So much potential turned into evil ass. Only that Sylvanas doesn't become new Arthas, bastard who she hated, better that she become good character with some better purpose. After all, she is Elf. Btw I can't belive how I loved evil Arthas as kid, didn't care that much for Sylvanas, and now it's totally opposite. I hate him and I'm glad what he died and feeling sorry for her. Probably because I pay more attention on intensity and cruelty of his acts and all good what was in her, maybe still is, and what great pain she suffers instead of just admiring the game and story. I don't know why she thinks of herself like that she's so f.r.e.a.k.i.n.g. hot ^
+pas She has suffered so much. It's understandable why she was hell bent on vengeance. But, like all good story and character development. Her life should be a journey and her motives should change. I don't think she totally realizes that the Scourge is slowly corrupting her. She seems lost with really any sense of direction or purpose. She's afraid to die for fear of the torment she will face. She wants to have her free will. But, if left unchecked she could destroy herself. Something or someone needs to help her see it, help her find her purpose and help her embrace her role. It's not an easy life. But, it shouldn't have to be completely miserable. If she can over come her self and just live everyday knowing she is better then Arthas that would be quite a triumph story. I think it would be kind of awesome if she had some kind of reminder. Something similar to wolf skin Durotan wears.
One of the reasons I'm interested in Legion is seeing the story play out between her and her sisters. What will happen if all three of the Windrunner sisters are united? How will this effect Sylvanas? It will be interesting to see how things unfold.
Well, I myself am a HUGE fan of The Dark Lady. HOWEVER, WHAT she has DONE, at the start of the NEXT expansion Shadowlands, I DON'T agree with... A LOT of players/fans have said she's gone "rogue" so to speak. And that she NEVER should've been Warchief. And, I kind of agree, but I LOVE her, like Nathanos does. 😁😊😉
Im also a huge fan of Sylvanas and the forsaken. I hope that undeath did not cause brain damage. Do the undead remember everything from their time being alive? Do the death knights have any problems with their corpse brains?
@@zombiedemon1762 I don't know about death knights, but it seems like Forsaken sometimes has some problems with memory, sanity and human emotions in common understanding
@Максим Жуков. Thanks. So i guess the forsaken brains are reanimated but still damaged by death. Probably the longer they were dead instead of undead,the worse it is. So its best to wake the dead early so they don't just become zombies. Or if you wait until they are skeletons they might not become undead because no brain to reanimate.
@@zombiedemon1762 I don't know if it's brain decomposing that affects Forsaken mind or just their time under the state of Undeath Curse. Maybe both. Not all undead have to have a flesh brain to have some mind (though wounded mind sometimes) after all, like ghosts or Liches (like Kel'Thuzad). Some people say flesh is just a cage for mind and soul
I always hoped for redemption for Sylvanas. If she does die, I don't want to think of one of my favorite characters basically having to deal with that. Yes that upsets me that a character in a video game suffers... I am invested, okay? :P I always hoped that she would go down her dark path that she did up until the point of a reunion with her sisters, at which point she would sacrifice herself or something for them and redeem her soul and what not. It was set up so well in War Crimes then suddenly "YES I SHALL KILL HER AND WE CAN LIVE TOGETHER FOREVER!" Wat. I don't know I just am a huge fan of her (and no not because boobs), and maybe I just have been turned against the idea of it just because it is what everyone and their mother on the US story forums want simply because they dislike her.(Which btw, the US story forums is awful. All it is is filled with discussions about how Horde biased the game is and complaints about the story in general, rather then actually talking about the story with likeminded people. It is awful...) I hope they can come to a satisfying conclusion with Sylvanas, maybe she just retires and goes and lives on a farm in the middle of nowhere and lives out eternity in peace... Yah, sure...
I just returned to wow after a full decade and I cannot begin to explain to you how useful an hour and a half lore videos are. I'm just ignoring garrisons and loads of other irrelevant systems for now because there's so much to take in its ridiculous. I played WOTLK for 12hrs a day every day back then.
hey nobbel,i have rewatched this video several times,but only now i see something.Sylvanas threw herself from the frozen throne right?So when she died she landed on saronite,the old god's blood.Could it be possible that Sylvanas was tricked with the visions of eternal agony,only to be resurected to play a major role in a future event, where the old gods are free. the whispers say that in the hour of her third death(Most possible refering to Sylvanas) they will be free.
i stopped playing WoW some years ago... but daaaaamn these feels... this franchise and every other stuff from it will be placed in a special place in my heart. We are the Forsaken!
Enzo O'Reily he probably will once Sylvana will be the main target for the horde and Alliance, I feel she'll have a big part to play in future expansions.
My girlfriend just started playing WoW. She really liked Sylvanas and wanted to know more about her so we sat down and watched this. She enjoyed the video and now wants to know more Warcraft lore. Thanks for making such a great video Nobbel!
oh Rebecca
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This us a good video But I suggest reading the books.
@@cronks619 reading is for girls
Let her cosplay our queen Sylvanas and then f*ck her
I love Sylvanas, she's one of the most epic lore characters. I don't see her as either an antagonist or a protagonist, she does what she believe is the right thing for her cause, she's not bad, but she's not good either, I'd call her a neutral anti-hero. And I really hope that we will see the return of Alleria Windrunner, becuase she's still MIA.
Also remember that if Sylvanas dies, then there's no one who can succeed her in leading the Forsaken, which would mean that Undead race would sooner or later die, and Loarderon would be re-taken by the Humans and Worgen, which would be bad.
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You're just an Alliance sympathizer, and I claim that you're wrong. And no, it's not he Humans land, the rightful owners of Loarderon are the Undead since Warcraft 3, according to the rules of conquest, it is officially ruled by the Undead,thus making it their land. If you put it in simple terms, the Humans own the southern parts of the Eastern Kingdoms, i.e. everything between Redridge Mountains and the southern border of Duskfall, the Dwarfs own the middle part of the Eastern Kingdoms, everything known as Kaz Modan is part of the Dwarven Kingdom, which include the Wetlands, and everything til the northern border of Badlands, and including Twilight Highlands, Loarderon is owned by the Undead, that include the Plaguelands, and all down to Southshore, and then there's Quel'Thalas that's owned by the Blood Elfs. Ans other places such as Stanglethorne, Blasted Lands, Swamp of Sorrows, Arathi Highlands etc. is neutral, and isn't concidered to be owned by anyone.
And no, I don't think that either Koitra nor Mograine are suitable leaders for the Forsaken, Koitra lacks authority, and Mograine is the neutral leader of the Death Knights and the Ebon Blade.
FOR THE ALLIANCE! FOR THE LIGHT! FOR LORDAERON! *Pulls out a light blessed Paladin hammer.*
Josh Campbell
*shoots plague cannon*
COWARD! *Rides his horse as fast as he can trying to close the distance.*
Josh Campbell
rekt m8
first reaction to seeing 1:30:00 of lore "wtf? who would sit here for an hour listening to lore?!" *one hour 18 minutes later* "This shit better have a part 2"
Yeah, in part 2, horde will beg alliance to come and help them save themselves from Sylvanas... Again... Just like with Garrosh... Blizz must be running out of ideas.
@@michalvalta5231 True xD
It was 3 part, Nobbel combines any of his series that are 3 or more
This comment means you are officially a nerd.
Sometimes i dont even bother with wow lore, i'd rather just play the game, but then.... buuuuut theeeeeen... i stumble into this... and my ass shits here for hrs just listening/watching the lore and im so into it!!! LOL
Damnit, a lot has changed about the lore of sylvanas. Because she just became warchief and alleria is back aswell as turalyon. A remake of this video would be AWESOME
Wauw, over 1 million views *pops champagne* Thanks so much everyone!
+Nobbel87 gz :P
+Rohan Sarangdhar Why do you say this?
You have a very good point there
The Lich King rules and Slivannas just simply sucks on so many levels
awsome, geweldig, die lore, I love this hero
+Nobbel87 Totally worth the 1m views mate, thank you for making these vids, you do sylvanas more then justice,
I love the forsaken and my queen, i am really really curious what blizz got for her in legion
cheers
i miss this sylvanas. i love this character, she was incredible, and i love the voice actress and how her voice has matured with sylvanas.
"A quick death, like the one you gave me? No. You're going to suffer as I did. Thanks to my arrow, you can't even run. Give my regards to hell, you son of a bitch."
May my aim be true ;3
We're going to need another 90 minutes of Nobbel goodness to cover the last 4 years :)
and another for THESE last 4
As someone who just recently started playing wow and is dying to learn as much about the lore as possible, your video's have been a godsend for me. These are great, thank you so much for making all of these!
u need any help? cause i'm pretty advanced in world of warcraft
@@aromanticfranziskavonkarmaAre you still advanced?
@@bluelightzwit7447 I was like 8 when I posted that, I was not advanced at all and still am not, I don't know why I said that.
Nice video Nobbel, i love lore from anything that's well done.
I was thinking to start playing WoW since my brother started last week, but i'm a little worried: is it too late to start playing?
Thank you and Warlords is probably the best time in years to jump into the game. You'll get a boosted 90 so you're right up there with everyone else and you can always level alts or re do quests to see what you missed out on.
don't start with your boosted char! first lvl each class to 20, then lvl a char to lvl 100. later you can make a twink with the boost. otherweise you won't be able to play that class and you'll get really frustrated
I got int the game. Now i'm with a lvl 20 Warlock in the SE and i liked him. Really wish to buy the game and continue playing but i didn't know there was a subscription, this demotivates me a lot, knowing i have to pay every month to play and if i can't i will not be able to log in the game makes me sad...
You don't have to pay for one month at a time. If you do that you would spend over $200 per year. What i do is pay the $75 for 6 months so that way i am only spending $150 a year. Yes that is alot of money, but you have to think. If you have a job where you're earning at least $350 every two weeks you are earning at least $700 a month. If you only buy your everyday personal hygiene (which you should buy the cheapest item) you should buy at least 5 of each item so that way you don't have to worry a money expenditure you will be set for the next 6 months which during those months you will have earned and saved around $3000. That should hold you for at least a years worth subscription. I hope this information helps you in making a decision to keep playing Warcraft. If there is anymore information you would like that will help you in making a decision you will find me on Warcraft between the hours of. DAYTIME:12pm-4pm. NIGHTTIME:10pm-3am. My main characters names are Reaperdrake and Druidreaper. I am on the Aggramar realm. I welcome all newcomers that want information. I also help toons that are on a difficult quest and need assistance. If you need help trying to find a place that you can't find just ask me and i will gladly help you.
Not correct. It's 195 for 12 months if you are on the monthly plan.
How could you not know it's subscription based? It says that it is a trial.
The Wrath Gate cinematic never fails to give me goosebumps
Yeah best cinematic.
its time to update the story with recent events. You're the best channel for warcraft lore.
stay safe . stay healthy :)
"give my regards to hell, you son of a bitch" i fking love sylvannas xD
The moment Arthas realized he was about to get rekt
If it weren't for Kel'Thuzard...
+Dylan Walsh we would all probably be dead because of Yogg'saron breaking out of his prison in ulduar........... So thanks kel :p
And now, she has the most iconic few seconds from any Blizzard cinematic ever made
I am a Warcraft 3 player (a huge offline and backseat gamer). I never played WoW, but I love the lore of all of Warcraft. This channel is a masterpiece. Thank you so much, I will be watching all your videos through a looooooong while :) You're awesome!
"sylvanas: you son of a bitch" (to arthas)
"garrosh: watch your clever mouth, bitch"
my fav parts , lol
Since Sylvana can raise elven rangers is there a chance we can get a dark ranger hero class ? I've always wanted this to be an elven dark ranger
I would love that
Me too ive been wanting it since I saw her I was like I WANNA BE HER
EkionFTWTW if they do that i want a least either an illusionist class to trick ppl or mages to be able to become ravens like medivh
EkionFTW there has been a debate about it for ages, it would just be a merge of deathknight hunter and maybe rouge which = unoriginal
Martin Mullender-Taeter Deathknight is pretty much a warrior and warlock combine. Paladin is a priest and warrior, some can even say a shaman is a druid and warrior combine.
Part two is gonna be LIT
Still agree with that? Lol I love her and all butnim not sure I'm gonna like a nice sylvanas
7:27 *chuckles softly*
"Oh, I get it."
*lets it sink in as he continues nonchalantly*
"Wait, you're kidding, right?"
I love it how your Worgen mastiff pet is called "hiyoutube" lmao
42:40 damn.. sylvanas had such a great voice actor before wotlk came along.
I AGREE 100%%%% her new voice sucks...
***** are you kidding she sounded like an undead Louis griffin from family guy
***** warcraft 3's was worlds better than any other that followed... she had death and pain in her voice unlike the new voice actors who just don't convey the same...
***** Her new voice actor is still pretty good... Although yes I agree with you man xD
Thanks so much for taking the time and effort to do all that research and present it in such a cohesive and intriguing way, it was truly enjoyable to watch!
I'm so excited to see her story finally continue in Legion. Pls bring Alleria back
+ZetsubouZolo How is her story continuing?
She is the new warchief actually :D
Well, warchief until Vol'Jin comes back.. :p
Really exicted for the legion lore, I really do love Warcrafts lore, it's insanely good.
alleria will be back mate :P
oh past Nobbel if only you knew what Blizz would end up doing with this story. lol
You have the best narrations. I can listen to to them all day long! Thanks for making these!!
Time to make a part 2 soon :)
I love Sylvanas I don’t care if she is evil
She has suffered more than any other Warcraft character ever!
She deserves Redemption.
Uhumm jaina
@@subuktageenbajwa8611 Yep Jaina probably suffered more.
and she is now the Horde Warchief.
And there was much rejoicing!
why are you disappointed?
why?
not really
Nah, she's the new Clinton, considering she gets blamed for everything.
I love the story of Sylvanas Windrunner.
There really needs to be redemption for her. Somehow to redeem herself so she won't go to hell but be accepted into heaven. She suffered enough.
They could make something like: WoW: The Burning Legion
In there, we could have an epic battle against archimonde. The Alliance and Horde join forces as archimonde tries to do some crazy things like destroying the world tree again. And Sylvanas would sacrifice herself to save not only her sisters, but the whole world as well. And then she will ascend to heaven and be remembered a hero.
Sylph Natural
no
Heaven? Hell? Maybe you are thinking of Diablo series? Why try make a anti-hero a hero? She isn't a good guy...
Automaton Have you even watched this video?
Sylph Natural As if this video is the source of the lore lol.
Sylvanas' story will continue in Legion. I hope Blizzard will give her a redemption story after what they did with her during Cataclysm. I've always seen her more as an anti- hero than a villain. I'm sure many people disagree with me, but I have a soft spot for women, especially elven women with a tragic backstory.
sylvanas is a hero who died in vein... LONG LIVE THE BANSHEE QUEEN!
Sylvanas is my favorite character. I'm so glad I stumbled upon this vid.
Wow it's incredible that this video is your second most popular. The Dark Lady genuinely is a fan favorite, and it shows.
For Sylvanas.
You know what's funny? The fact that anyone even likes her. She has no redeemable qualities whatsoever. She hated Arthas, yet has no problem being exactly what he was. She used plague on Gilneas, she ordered the production of the plague used at Wrathgate, and her latest atrocity, attacking Teldrassil.
Now look at Jaina, she has talked about peace between the Alliance and Horde since the end of Warcraft 3 up until Pandaria, where Garrosh nuked Theramore, she wanted revenge, and Horde fanboys hate her more than anything.
See how that makes the wow fanbase completely and utterly retarded and incapable of telling a great character from a really shitty one?
the wrathgate wasnt sylvanas bro, atleast get the facts right. And she is not exactly like arthas. You had to follow arthas because he killed you and he made you his slave with no brain. Sylvanas gives you the choice. If you follow her you made the decision to do so. But who gives a shit anyway im just saying.
Oluf The Explorer -- What's funny is how people care so much about people liking a character. You don't like them? Good for you. TF you getting so triggered about over someone's likes for? No need to go on a _[factually incorrect]_ tirade at people that do. Not like you're changing their mind. It's really not that serious.
@@oluftheexplorer9476 Well, she's not a *bad* character, in that sense. Her character is excellently written and extremely interesting. Just because her character is *morally* in the wrong, doesn't mean she's a poor character as a whole. The only reason she has no problem with "being" what Arthas was is simply because they are different in many ways. She has *very* different goals- they're simply to survive, and slaughter anyone who would stand against them. She's only raising the dead because she has to in order to keep the Forsaken going- not because she wants to.
@@tiraguard1716 The only difference between the two is one has a penis, the other a vagina. There's no one standing against her, this conflict is entirely manufactured by her, so that's a load of crap.
And raising the dead to keep the Forsaken going isn't really an excuse as there's nothing to keep going in the first place.
Love your vids, Nob! Thank you so much. :) I really enjoy listening to and watching them.
***** :D I'm a foreigner to the English langauge. I'm allowed to!
I am dying to see Alleria's reaction once she learns that her sister is the new Warchief....According to the lore she will tear her apart, I mean she really really really hates the Horde.
As a massive Sylvanas fan I really enjoyed this video. you made it very easy to understand listen to and I really appreciate the detail and information I now have on one of my favourite wow characters and the lore behind her journey. Definitely subscribing here and look forward to watching some more.
quite a turn of events that bring sylvanas from fighting the horde in the first two wars only to end up
SPOILER
becoming warchief
i know she becomes warcheif in the demon hunter quests
I really really really really hope they don't make Sylvanas another Garrosh.
Don't worry she is already past his level.
+Assassin Cactus SPOILERS
In legion she becomes the warchief
+Zagnutjones fuck uuuuuu Dx
iDobGamer I made it so you had to click show more to show the spoilers. if you got spoiled when you didnt want to, thats your fault.
+Zagnutjones i'm actually on mobile so your whole comment shows up , and as I scroll down I read the rest of your comment by mistake ;-;
24:20
M'lady
*tips demon horns*
XD
5 years later... Sylvanas is taking us all to the afterlife... Just as she always wanted.
This video is absolutely amazing! You are awesome Nobbel. I am a newer player, and a huge fan of Sylvanas. This video really helped me get up to speed with the parts of her back story I didn't know and helped me understand all of her main motivations.
Great piece Nobbel, thanks! I quit WoW after BC and am returning now, this was a great way to catch up to what one of my fav characters has been doing. I wonder what her relationship with Lor'Themar will be. A piece on him would be appreciated as well by the way ;)
I second this.
I don't understand why people are complaining why she raises the dead, and why raising the dead is so bad. People don't want to die to begin with, she gives them that second chance, if you die NOW would you want to stay dead or finish what you haven't? You have free will as an undead thanks to her, you're not mindless so I don't get why people are complaining.
She will never die, killing her would mean killing the Forsaken race as well, so people wanting her dead doesn't make sense and people complaining that not killing her off because of her fanbase are just fucking stupid.
I am Forsaken...
I stand by your comment 100% sir. *salutes you* You speak truth.
DJStarrdom
Dark Lady Watch Over You.
we stand by your side
_"I don't get why people are complaining."_
*First:* She's a bitch who disregard life. The problem isn't that she raise poor unfortunate soul but want the world to be like her... DEAD. For example, she made a poison that would decimate the undead but make damn sure it decimated the living as well, poison she use multiple time despite being ordered not to. In the interaction and lore, it's evident she regard the living the same way Paladins regard undead. With disgust. That anti-life sentiment, she displayed it multiple time.
*Second:* She's not giving anyone the choice. It hard to ask if someone want to be turn or not when they gurgling blood and fading fast. Regardless she's raise any body she can. For those who manage to retain their memories, which are fews, they are usually disgusted by their new form. Some of which have taken taking their own... eh... Unlife? The others slowly go mad with the revelation. If that's what you get from raising people with their mind intact, I'm willing to extrapolate that everyone would want a noble death to a eternity as a rotten corpse. Hell, that's what Sylvana wanted back in Warcraft 3, isn't it?
*Third:* She's bad as a leader or a follower. There's multiple account of her going out of her way to piss people off. When you manage to make Garrosh grimace in horror, the guy who did unspeakable crimes, you know you've fucked up. Not to mention the incident where she lose control of her own forces. "No, it's not me it's just my high scientific guy who went behind my back I'm not responsible". Yeah, she kinda is. It's her job to keep her forces in line. If she can't, she's not a very good leader. Beside that, Thrall, Garrosh and... well, we don't know yet since the next expansion lead away from the regular timeline... didn't trust her for ONE MINUTE.
*Fourth:* They don't have a place in game. Specially not with the Shamanistic Horde who worship the element and commune with their ancestors. They, at multiple occasion, shown they believe that the spirit should depart the body in death. Raising the death is desecrate the body and forcefully bound the soul to the carcass which is something they would consider like the highest on the list of things you can do to shit on your heritage.
They also don't have a place with the Alliance because their religion is based on the LIGHT, which is just a PC word for GOD. Seem like God don't like his creation being perverted since HOLY LIGHT hurt the undead. Sure, there's shadow priest and if you want to go anal on this, they can just as well worship of a God of Darkness (tho the keep the name of the attack for simplicity) or Old God. They even might have Cthulhu on speed dial (and I just know that joke will be the crux of your rebuttal because there's little ammo you can use). Thing is, their religion is against it. A undeniable pure force of darkness and even the undead who wield the light HURT THEMSELVES BADLY wielding it.
*Finally:* The only real reason there is a undead race isn't because Sylvana is cool, it's because it's the archetype of any RPG game, both paper or on the screen. The Revenant Race in D&D. The Dhampir in Pathfinder. There's a whole system of games based around the undead with the White Wolf books series call World Of Darkness (Vampire: the Requiem, Geist: the Sin Eater, Mummy: the Curse). They have a long standing tradition in the fantasy genre and there's denying it. They have been at the core of some of the best stories but... there's nothing redeeming the Forsaken here. She hasn't accomplish anything worthy of her place nor done anything that couldn't be achieved by any other races. She got free not by her own action but by those of the heroes in Warcraft 3 and the weakening of Arthas' (the Lich King's) power. No, instead, she's sustained by the some of the weirdest character ever... who seem to have a maggot infested boner for her.
_"yes im undead mage and i love her so much"_ - Saud Aj (comment bellow)
Akalistos First:She Raises Peopel cause she wants to serve the horde and thats like asking a race to stop reproducing
Second: she does indeed give u a choice U have 3 choice after you are raised u can go back to the grave/join hte forsaken/Go you own fuking way
Third: she isnt a bad leader and while she isnt completly out of responsibility but if u get Betrayed and backstabbed by one of your most trusted Servent then there isnt much u can do
Fourth:They do have a place in game the horde isnt Shamanisticwho worship the element and commune with their ancestors the old orcs were but hte new horde is a family and they care about peace (vol jin,thrall )
Finnally:While its true what u said about undeads sylvanas is cool and she got free because she had a strong will and yes while the events were important in her getting free she is still very powerful and wanted arthas dead and so did others with a stron will(Wotlk )
All that i left out (Example alliance and undead) i agree with i just wanted to Correct these points As i see them
Your channel is great, and your voice and the way you speak is mesmerizing. It's 02:21 at night right now and I can't stop listening.
Still feeling chills when i watch the Wrath Gate cutscene.
11:19 really?
YOU SHALL NOT PASS!
Omg same 😂😄😉
+Shellymor game had a ton of references :3
+Shellymor Also at the Wrath Gates, all I could hear was "The Eagles are coming!"
I don't want Sylvanas to die, ever
but but but... but she already died three time🔫🔪
she is dead
+The TimeStorm from this video i only count 2 times that she died and used up 5 val'kyr
+travenirish she died before dying again, you know she's undead right? That's three.
***** talking bout after that u idiot
"then she went crazy and burned teldrassil" ...
then she went even crazier and solo'ed the lich king and disenchanted the helmet of The Lich King for a fancy firework.
"This WORLD is a PRISON.."
@@peglegdave4449AND I .. WILL SET US ALL .... FREEEEEE
49:35 You took half of Arthas hp at that moment o.O . Imagine Sylvana's face if we could kill him just like that right when she decided to run...
So much happend to Sylvanas since this video. This deserves another video !
Honestly, under the right circumstances Arthas and Sylvanas would make a very good match in an alternate universe imo. Both being headstrong and fearless leaders whose main priorities are safeguarding their people...Not to mention it would complete the set as the other Windrunner sisters are married to humans as well. Imagine if Ner'zhul chose Varian instead.
Kel'Thuzad actually mentioned something like that.
Kel' Thuzad "She is persistent...reminds me of you, Death Knight."
Arthas" Shut up, you damned ghost."
@Nobbel87 I have looked at a bunch of WoW videos lately and I always choose yours because your presentation is excellent - specifically you have and use a rather theatrical voice styling that works very well for the topic.
Now that this video has since 3 years past I do hope you continue your story line for Sylvannas and the Windrunner family.
I like to believe this ends at 56:40
Lots of unfinished, inconstant, and hypocritical writing after that.
I have a theory that Sylvannas doesn't actually go to hell whenever she dies, and that it is all just a scenario created by the Val'Kyr to keep her alive.
The reason I think this is that the Val'Kyr seem entirely dependant on serving an undead master, and it makes sense that they would prefer to serve Sylvannas since Bolvar's not gonna do shit as the Lich King.
Another reason is that there were many convenient coincidences in Sylvannas's hell, such as how she would see Arthas suffering in the short time she spent in hell and how the Val'Kyr are always with her when she is killed.
Also, I find it annoying that Sylvannas has begun dying left and right ever since she gained control of the Val'Kyr. Blizzard seems to feel the need to hammer it in.
+〈The Nickname〉 yea man, Sylvanas is hot
+jason mach li8u p phi
UPDATE:
Perhaps ever since the death of Arthas, the Val'kyr that joined the forsaken began serving the remnant's of Yogg'Saron. Perhaps Yogg or another old god are using the Val'kyr to influence the forsaken and Sylvanas into making enemies out of the Alliance.
The reason I believe this is because Raid Boss in Emerald Nightmare mentions how Sylvanas is prophesised to play a part in the Old gods' plans, and I feel like this is the way they would go about it.
Another reason is since Yogg'Saron is Hope's End, pretty much the god of anguish and depression, he could use Sylvanas' loathing of her own evil nature to manipulate her actions.
And it also makes sense since the hell that Sylvanas suffers in is possibly the Void, the realm of the Old Gods.
Interesting idea... But probably not entirely true. Remember, they actually die whenever they resurrect her. I don't think they would sacrifice their lives just for a "scenario" as you called it.
Still love Sylvanas story and i always enjoy coming back to your channel to listen to it. Same goes to Jaina's story
erybody whining on the new WoW warbringer piece has not watched this
Watching it now because of the 8.0 pre-patch events.
She has been gradually becoming worse and worse. Also burning a world tree seems a bit counterintuitive in her quest to stay alive...
i’ve watched this video like 3 times and came back again
+Steven Seagull Uhh dude, not disagreeing with you on the whole "Alliance wants to kill the undead", cause it's true, but the whole Nazi/Jew comparison is really distasteful, and really... just, not comparable.
@@miroslavp9504 Because the tree was in the way of the sunset that why.
ive played undead since vanilla, and i feel the sylvanas storyline is probably the most deep in the entire game
That's.. not really deep though.
also, regarding sylvanas' necklace, Players can go to windrunner spire in the ghostlands and one of the mobs will drop it, thats how you get her to sing lament of the highborne, I'm saying this cause no one goes to the ghostlands and still asks how to get her to sing.
Excellent Lore piece. And now, with the events of Legion, we know what happen with Sylvanas and I (for one) am most pleased. But, if at all possible, please update this post because I would love to hear and see you take on the whole story line.
Amazing video, man. Thank you so much for making it! The stories within WoW are quite amazing.
I'm surprised it took Blizzard this long to make her War-chief considering Horde players have been oozing over her midriff since WC3.
Sylvanas' character does not really need to develop. She is ice-cold because of what happened to her and she should be DOING some more stuff, but not changing her personality. I think, most of the NPCs needed more action in the game. So them appearing in the Broken Isles is some kind of start. I want NPCs to be involved with the story. Not only me as a single player playing the campaign mode of WoW during questing....
shes not ice cold shes probably a really nice and good person just misunderstood! cmon' warm up a little
Can we get an updated version nobbel?
This is why I'm so glad they made classic WoW a thing! You can pick which expansion you start and they are about to drop the lich one as well. Getting the full story is great. The books are worth it too!
Wow! I thoroughly enjoyed listening and watching this. I love the lore behind a lot of WoW characters. Have you done one yet on Azshara yet??
Rhonin is not dead! We hear him in Dalaran everday! Sorry Nobbel, that's in the game. Until Blizzard changes that, that is the way it is. Many of us don't rely on books until they are incorporated into the game.
+Sluge Eagle lol
+Sluge Eagle Well guess what, the Lich King is still in the game too!
+Sluge Eagle ya by that logic. garrosh is still alive. the lich king. so is illidan. and i could go on and on..
+LTC Productions its confirmed, WoW is actually limbo, Blizzard is going to release Warcraft 4 and pretend WoW never happened.
+Blaze Blue Source?
@Nobbel87. are you making part two after BFA fully unfolds?
The battle at the wrathgate is probably my favorite cinematic in the game.
Thank you for including it! 👍
I really hate what they did to Sylvanus as a character. They took a vengeance/redemption arc and then just turned it into "lol undead lady bad"
she was an incredible character, im so sad that they butchered her.
Thanks for catching me up. I understand the quests in Legion WAY better now .
Any chance you will update this for the new expansion?
Nobble, watching again... another countless time. Your stories are great. Thx for everything you do!
I feel so bad for her... She's my favorite character in WC lore. I hope one day she'll be able to clean her name as she truly is a hero. Her story should be told to children to teach them that revenge won't fix anything. Revenge is a path of anger to even more suffering. I really hope one day when there will be peace on Azeroth she'll be able to make a cure for her and her people. That would be a perfect ending in my eyes. Also I might add that maybe Vereesa and Alleria could help her find her way back now that we know Alleria is still alive in WoW. I wonder what impact will that have on Sylvanas.
+Thy'lek Shran She will be killed, that much is not in question, but whether she is redeemed is yet to be seen.
Thy'lek Shran What crimes are you talking about? All I hear is people saying that but no1 has ever pointed out what crimes she has to pay for.. I know few things that we could call crimes but mostly people point out events at the Wrath Gate and plague attack on Gilneas.. If people knew the lore better they'd know that these weren't really her crimes / orders. I agree with jaharned1.. how the events are unfolding she's gonna die.. just like all the other "old" heroes of Azeroth... Blizz decided it's time to replace them all... We'll see what'll happen in next few patches.. It's 100% sure now she won't become the new Lich King or Queen should I say since DKs forge their artifact weapon from fragments of Frostmourne...
Wouldn't make any sense to kill her, I mean did any of you hear Vol'jin's last words? That she was going to step out of the shadows and save the horde? I hope it doesn't become a thing to keep on killing the warchiefs because it would seriously get ridiculous. But I get the feeling there is going to be a change with her, bad or good; and actually I'm learning a little bit more towards good but you never know.
She changed a lot since Cata... no more doggy bullshit people call crimes
TRADE PRINCE GALLYWIX FOR WARCHIEF XD
When I saw the lenght of this video I was like ''oh hell no Im not going to watch all that''. But it was very interesting and you have a good story telling voice. Thanks :) Now I know the full story of the hero I liked in WCIII and was considering crafting in Hearthstone =P Thanks again!
All Hail Warchief Sylvanas!
ikr I screamed when I saw that
"In the end,dead claims us all" even Sylvanas.Graymane will prove that.
+Sabin #SkydroxCS Hopefully she will find redemption before she dies. And she is right. Not even Sargeras himself can live forever.
killing Sylvanas would be 4th warchief exchanged xD ... I don't think they want to change warchiefs each expansions ... also, not sure who would be interesting enough to lead the forsaken .. to be honest now, I am having a hard time finding an interesting troll or orc leading them (presuming thral is on leave and Eitrig and Saurfang are OLDer than dirt ) .
+Octavian Brandula As of right now the only candidate is Nathanos.
This video auto plays Everytime I listen to any wow stuff. Heard it like 20times and yet...I still don't skip it lol well done sir
Great work, thanks for that! and awesome that you've made updates (part 4 & 5) 🙏🏼
Sylvanas' role in Legion will be interesting additions! I love Sylvanas so much.
I think her becoming warchief sort of contradicts your last statement. I can't imagine anything more risky to your life than becoming leader of the horde. Do you think Sylvanas has changed?
With her becoming Warchief and the reveal of pure, "sunborne" Valkyr in Stormheim and the Halls of Valor, I think they're setting up a redemption arc in which she and the Forsaken can be, not cured, but purified.
What many people don't consider is the time that passed through MoP and WoD where she was literally cut from the story.
That's around 3-4 years (in game) where she was working alongside the Horde with practically no issues. The idea that her opinions have changed in that time is not soo farfetched.
+Red Sparrow We should remember that even the undead can be turned to a better path. The Argent Crusade (it had members of the Forsaken in it) and the Knights of the Ebon Blade were proof enough. And Chris Metzen did say he loves a good redemption story after all.
nobbel Will You upgrade the Story of sylvanas after legion?
This video recommended after 6 years lol.
Yuh XD
Poor Sylvanas. Her Family and Friends are like dead, She warned her people but they couldn't do ANYTHING but prey for mercy,Her SOUL was TAKEN by The little spoiled brat Arthus,(litch king) and is the Banshee queen and even though she got REVENGE on Arthus! She still is just the banshee queen I feel SOOOO bad for her!
dont need to i am still sexy as fu*k :>
+Sylvanas Windrunner AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHHHHAHAHHHHAHAHAHAHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHA!!!
Sylvanas Windrunner your my Favorit warchief :D
I hoped since thrall You will be the leader of the Great Horde :)
And of course for someone who died multiple times your still sexy as hell
*lich king*
Sylvanas is the single most boring character. She is written in a way that she's just evil for the sake of being evil, and her backstory isn't even that sad.
She has no redeemable qualities, and that's why it's great she will die in BfA
"This isn't over, Arthas. I'll never stop hunting you."
And she still hasn't, but there's no Arthas to chase anymore, so she chases the Arthas in her soul.
By becoming more like him at every turn?
Well shadowlands so she can chase him there. Kek
Great video man, keep the good work. Happy 2017, greetings from Stormwind
Seems the Windrunners have a thing for humans. Bow chicka bow wow.
Lmao
They're the Kardashian's of the elf world 😎
@@clairebear6502 mikie
For the Forsaken! LONG LIVE THE BANSHEE QUEEN!
as an worgen i hate the forsaken so much like they betrayed uss in legion
all hail Warchief Sylvanas
nvm i did a class trial with horde shes actuelly pretty cool
fuck sylvannas they wasted Vol'jin to satisfy her fanboys. Long live Warchief Vol'jin!
Long live... long live? he's still dead! unless Sylvanas brings him back which would be hilarious but I doubt any of the other Horde leaders would allow that to happen.
2nd saddest story after Arthas. So much potential turned into evil ass. Only that Sylvanas doesn't become new Arthas, bastard who she hated, better that she become good character with some better purpose. After all, she is Elf.
Btw I can't belive how I loved evil Arthas as kid, didn't care that much for Sylvanas, and now it's totally opposite. I hate him and I'm glad what he died and feeling sorry for her. Probably because I pay more attention on intensity and cruelty of his acts and all good what was in her, maybe still is, and what great pain she suffers instead of just admiring the game and story. I don't know why she thinks of herself like that she's so f.r.e.a.k.i.n.g. hot ^
+pas She has suffered so much. It's understandable why she was hell bent on vengeance. But, like all good story and character development. Her life should be a journey and her motives should change. I don't think she totally realizes that the Scourge is slowly corrupting her. She seems lost with really any sense of direction or purpose. She's afraid to die for fear of the torment she will face. She wants to have her free will. But, if left unchecked she could destroy herself. Something or someone needs to help her see it, help her find her purpose and help her embrace her role. It's not an easy life. But, it shouldn't have to be completely miserable. If she can over come her self and just live everyday knowing she is better then Arthas that would be quite a triumph story. I think it would be kind of awesome if she had some kind of reminder. Something similar to wolf skin Durotan wears.
I don't see her having any "better" purpose...
One of the reasons I'm interested in Legion is seeing the story play out between her and her sisters. What will happen if all three of the Windrunner sisters are united? How will this effect Sylvanas? It will be interesting to see how things unfold.
btw theres no tags in youtube you don't have to type periods inbetween letters when your saying freaking
damn,you are one of the pathetic white knights.disgusting
Do we have a part 2 yet? I love your videos Nobbel!! You rock!
Well, I myself am a HUGE fan of The Dark Lady. HOWEVER, WHAT she has DONE, at the start of the NEXT expansion Shadowlands, I DON'T agree with... A LOT of players/fans have said she's gone "rogue" so to speak. And that she NEVER should've been Warchief. And, I kind of agree, but I LOVE her, like Nathanos does. 😁😊😉
Im also a huge fan of Sylvanas and the forsaken. I hope that undeath did not cause brain damage. Do the undead remember everything from their time being alive? Do the death knights have any problems with their corpse brains?
@@zombiedemon1762 I don't know about death knights, but it seems like Forsaken sometimes has some problems with memory, sanity and human emotions in common understanding
@Максим Жуков. Thanks. So i guess the forsaken brains are reanimated but still damaged by death. Probably the longer they were dead instead of undead,the worse it is. So its best to wake the dead early so they don't just become zombies. Or if you wait until they are skeletons they might not become undead because no brain to reanimate.
@@zombiedemon1762 I don't know if it's brain decomposing that affects Forsaken mind or just their time under the state of Undeath Curse. Maybe both. Not all undead have to have a flesh brain to have some mind (though wounded mind sometimes) after all, like ghosts or Liches (like Kel'Thuzad). Some people say flesh is just a cage for mind and soul
@Максим Жуков. Interesting.
I always hoped for redemption for Sylvanas. If she does die, I don't want to think of one of my favorite characters basically having to deal with that. Yes that upsets me that a character in a video game suffers... I am invested, okay? :P
I always hoped that she would go down her dark path that she did up until the point of a reunion with her sisters, at which point she would sacrifice herself or something for them and redeem her soul and what not. It was set up so well in War Crimes then suddenly "YES I SHALL KILL HER AND WE CAN LIVE TOGETHER FOREVER!"
Wat.
I don't know I just am a huge fan of her (and no not because boobs), and maybe I just have been turned against the idea of it just because it is what everyone and their mother on the US story forums want simply because they dislike her.(Which btw, the US story forums is awful. All it is is filled with discussions about how Horde biased the game is and complaints about the story in general, rather then actually talking about the story with likeminded people. It is awful...)
I hope they can come to a satisfying conclusion with Sylvanas, maybe she just retires and goes and lives on a farm in the middle of nowhere and lives out eternity in peace... Yah, sure...
Simmer down broseph
Thank you Nobbel for this video, may the Dark Lady watch over you...
I just returned to wow after a full decade and I cannot begin to explain to you how useful an hour and a half lore videos are. I'm just ignoring garrisons and loads of other irrelevant systems for now because there's so much to take in its ridiculous. I played WOTLK for 12hrs a day every day back then.
I love these lore videos. I just wish I had an audiobook version I could download and listen to at work.
Thanks Nobbel!
hey nobbel,i have rewatched this video several times,but only now i see something.Sylvanas threw herself from the frozen throne right?So when she died she landed on saronite,the old god's blood.Could it be possible that Sylvanas was tricked with the visions of eternal agony,only to be resurected to play a major role in a future event, where the old gods are free. the whispers say that in the hour of her third death(Most possible refering to Sylvanas) they will be free.
Best character ever. GLORY TO THE FORSAKEN!
i stopped playing WoW some years ago... but daaaaamn these feels... this franchise and every other stuff from it will be placed in a special place in my heart.
We are the Forsaken!
My favorite character and this is exactly was I was looking for. Thank you thank you thank you!
Can you update this for Legion?
Enzo O'Reily he probably will once Sylvana will be the main target for the horde and Alliance, I feel she'll have a big part to play in future expansions.
the way this guy pronounces "RrrrrrONAN" is my favorite
As I wait for the legion content to drop, I play your videos in the background. Listening, playing wow. THANK YOU NOBBEL87
It's awesome that someone took the time to make and post this thank you nobbel87