Good video and fun project. Having messed this up a few times, there are a few good things to do. Dont reuse crush washers. Not worth it. Triple check the oil chart at fox, as different dampers use different oil wt and amounts. That's too much slick honey, you dont need that much and it can clog the pos/neg equalization port (per Fox technician). Just a minor coating will do it. Lastly, airing the fork up properly can be critical to avoiding fork suck down. This is due to the dimple design rather than separate valves or shrader valve equalization ports. You want to add in air 15psi at a time (you rarely do it so might as well do it right). Add 15psi and cycle the fork 10 times slowly to get equalization of both air chambers. The dimple is about an inch and half down from the top of the stantion. If you just jump it up to 75psi...when you equalize it...the air is so pressurized that it often screws up the equalization and can suck down you for 10 to 15mm. If you do get significant suckdown (some is super normal with dual air springs and a good thing)...then simply remove air 5psi at a time and cycle the fork slowly 10 times. Then air it up 15 psi at a time and boom, itll be perfect again. When you remove it 5psi at a time, you are allowing it to equalize without sucking down the fork an inch or two (which happens as the neg chamber isnt equalized) and eventually sucking the entire fork down at low psi...so much suck down you cant get it to extend to the equalization dimple and now its crappy. This avoids that and just takes an extra 15mins. If done right, you can get all/most air out with the fork fully extended still or mostly. Cheers
All the MTB dads out there thank you for these awesome tech tips! The why? Kids are racing - bike shops are weeks out (even though Fanatik and Earl's always make the race happen - thanks!) so anything that can help me keep the equipment running better makes the season so much smoother. Nothing worse that your kit ruining a weekend. The shops benefit also - the more you know, it seems the more they can do for you. Follow Jeff's videos and the shops will be able to do some next level stuff on your bike. The entire experience gets better the more you know - so that is the why Jeff.
Jeff you mentioned the foot-nut was chewed-up at 8:00 ...it's a good idea to use 6 point sockets on fragile aluminum fasteners... that might prevent rounding of the nut.
My bike (2019 Vitus Escarpe VRX 29) came with a Fox 36 Factory G2 150mm. My last bike (2016Yeti Sb5.5c) had the same fork buy 160mm and I miss than extra travel. Plus I believe it'll improve the Escarpe geometry so I will definitely upgrade this winter when I typically service the fork. Thanks for showing how easy this can be! PS. My kids love your channel!
Great vid, I did the same liberal coating of slickoneum then read Vin's comment below! Haha oh well seems to have worked well so far (pending a test ride). Bumped the Bronson v4 to 170mm for the squamish enduro.
great video. to answer your question, i have a 34 Fox Forx with 130 mm front and 130 mm back on my bike. i am good with 130 mm, but really really want more, so a simple upgrade is 140 up front...especially since i haven't serviced my forks since i got it 3 years ago and they need it!
I bought a used 36 that has been traveled from 150 to 170mm. I gave it a try in my ripmo and it feels great =) In case I wanna experiment with 160mm in the future, I hope this video will give me some hints for a hassle-free change of travel :) .. back to the vid ;)
Yes, Jeff! I would love to hear what you think about that combo (handling, slacker headangle, higher bb) 😊 I did combine it with a slightly softer SAG (20,5%), lower bar (1 medium spacer) and 5mm less rise.
Go for it! Just double check that code at the top of your fork leg to be sure you're following the right procedure for the exact year/model fork you've got.
Hey DJ MTB.. Thinking of doing EXACTLY the same thing to my RIP9.. Love the 150, but think 160 would be even better.. Let us know how it goes.. Seems pretty straightforward....? My only hesitation is that its about $150 worth of parts there, and my local shop would charge 240 total... so I know I would save 90 bucks, but maybe it would be worth that to leave it to a pro..... :)
Jeff, new subscriber, great video. Not really going to attempt the procedure, I just saw your operating on the new Ripmo AF, which I just picked up at my local bike shop, and wanted to appreciate the goodness that is the Ripmo AF.
I've done this on a Fox 34 to go from 130mm to 140mm and I've done it on my current Fox 36 to go from 160mm to 150mm. The only thing I do different is i add some slick honey to the seals before I put the lowers back on.
Voluntary Anarchy my guess is he upgraded his 34 to the 36, bought it at 160mm but that was too big a jump from the 140mm so he put it at 150mm. If it was a bike spec’d at 160mm it would really make no sense so hopefully this is what he was doing. If the bike was spec’d originally at 130mm, 150mm is still a big jump but doable a lot of the time, whereas a 30mm jump would be way too much on almost any rig.
@@markusbouman8830 I just say this original question. Two different bikes. Yes, I bought the forks used and had to change them to match the specs of the bikes.
I'm currently running rockshox recon sl at 130mm and was thinking of getting fox 36 in 170mm then bringing then down to 150mm travel. All for my marin san Quentin 2
Did you done that upgrade? And how it feels? I have San Quentin-2 but found only fox36 150mm travel for 29-wheel, so i think it seems like fork with 160mm travel for 27.5 wheel
Got a 2018 fox 36 on a bike I perchased second hand with the grip dampener. Ideally want to upgrade to a grip 2 dampener stick a vorsprung luftkappe unit into it and in increase it’s travel from 160 to 170 if possible.
I have a 2018 Ibis Mojo 3 with a Fox 34 and a 2020 Rocky Mountain Slayer with a Fox 36 (later years came with the 38). I"m a big dude (like... real big) so I picked up a 38 for the slayer and I'm going to bump the 36 down to the Mojo to stiffen up the front end a bit. So I'm dropping to 140mm of travel for that.
Thanks for the video. This was an easy install with this video! First time working on a fork and it was less than an hour. Most of that time spent cleaning up!
Great video. I have a 130mm travel on a Fox 34 Performance and want to raise it to 140mm for my Pivot Trail 429. It looks very doable. Thanks for the tips.
Unlike most, I'm gonna drop from 160mm-150mm on my bike. I do a ton of climbing and the 160 can get really annoying in the steep climbs. I hate to give up the 10mm as I love to shred but I think the trade off will be good for my riding. Hope I can do the job. Gonna give it a shot!😬
Currently have a 160mm on my yeti lunch ride. Was considering trying a 150mm to see if I would get the bike more playfull. Only 1/2 degree of head angle though.....
I've been thinking about bumping up my travel on my tallboy to 130mm since i got it about a year ago and with all this time on my hands during quarantine I decided to give it a shot! Edit: I know I have a 34 and not a 36 I'm just watching for reference.
running an x-fusion metric. which can drop from 180 to 160 (its in 180 atm). watching this vid to get info drips on how the performance changes between the two modes (different fork granted but its good to compare).
That's a great fork! I still have an old X-Fusion Vengeance that I rode a ton at 170mm. The suspension performance is similar but you'll have less travel and will therefore need to run a tad less sag. Same percent, but it'll be a smaller amount due to the shorter fork. For most ordinary trails, 180 is overkill, so it'll probably be good. Unless you mostly ride triple black steeps!
I have a FOX 36 that I purchased used and it's set at 140mm travel, it's on a SNAB T1 so it can accept a 140mm-160mm travel fork... I an wanting to set mine to 150mm travel
Im running a DVO diamond 150mm on a 2017 Norco Sight C7.1. For 2019 Norco bumped up the fork travel on the same frame/model Sight to 160mm so am going to remove the travel reducer to push the fork back to 160
Switching from 160mm to 170mm It raises the fork (axle to crown length) ever so slightly. So yes, it technically does raise the bottom bracket up a little and slackens the head angle slightly too, but not enough to be very noticeable. 10mm= .397” so that extra 3/8” won’t be too noticeable. If you start raising your fork by an inch or more of travel, then you’ll get noticeable changes in geometry
Can you increase the fox 36,,100 mm 26er,, I would like to increase that fork to 120mm. Currently I'm running a RockShox DJ 26er. It's the 140 mm version I want to reduce it to 120 should I just add spacers would that bring down the ride height
Ive got a 2018 fox float 130mm wanting to go 140mm. Do I only need to replace just the one side with that part from Jenson. Hopefully you know what im trying to say. The fork travel adjustment part that's only one side right?
That's exactly the fork I mod'ed to 160 in this very video! Just punch that 4 digit code from the top left of your fork lowers into the Fox site to be sure it's the correct procedure for the year/model fork you've got there.
You’d need a 36 140mm air shaft for the correct year, around £60. Just be aware if you bike came stock with a 160mm travel fork then dropping it 20mm isn’t advisable as you will lower the bb and steepen the head angle.
I'm getting a 160mm 36, MIGHT want to drop it to 150 if it doesn't climb right as I'm mostly around boring flat trails, though I want it for the primo stuff 2 hrs away.
Hi, do you advise changing any of your settings after adjusting the fork travel? (Psi, tokens, compression or rebound damping) Or leave them the same? I'm going 160mm to 170mm. Thanks for the tips.
So if I bought a fox 36 160mm could I set it a 150mm? Just because my bike has 130mm of rear travel so I heard you should stick within 20mm of the original travel? Would be sick if you replied 🤟
I changed my Fox 36 EVOL 2018 from 160 to 170. I bought the uprgade kit for my Orbea Rallon. I ordered the airchamber compared to my DDGL code. But.... Damper side is to short! So a knocking sound when lifting front wheel :( It s the sound of the end of the damper side fully at longets position. Really dissapointed. Had to mount the 160mm back.
Jeff, very nice video as always... doesn't Fox recommend replacing the crush washer after each use (i.e. at 7:30 )? I think the idea is that it is only meant to be deformed 1x time. I hope you fully recovered from your last big crash by now.
Hello guys does anyone know if you can reduce the travel on a 36 talas 120_160 so the maximum travel would be 150mm is it the same thing? Any info would be appreciated
Reducing travel on a 160mm fork. I have a bike with 140mm fork, but it takes 9mm QR, which just seems flimsy to me. I a spare fork (project that never happened) and a front wheel with a 20mm TA, so time to beef up the bike.
Cool! Have fun with the project! I can't help but mention that if you need any parts, always check good 'ol Jenson USA, those guys sponsored this vid and they help me out a bunch. Here's an affiliate link to their site: bit.ly/JensonJKW
Going to go against popular trends here....If i was to lower my fox 38 @ 180mm to 170 or 160mm is a change of both the air spring and damper needed. Also and i hope this isnt a real stupid question.....will this lower the ride height or just the length of the travel?
Hey Avg, on the 38 you need a more expensive air spring assembly but the damper does NOT need to be changed (or even touched, really, besides removing the footnut so you can pull the lowers)
2018 fox 36 on my Giant Trance E. Going longer because I’m probably riding it a bit rowdier than most ebike riders and using all the travel very often.
I've got really important question. Can you change travel in fox van 36, it isn't the air suspension, it has got a spring inside. I really need the answer cause i dont know should I buy new fork for my dirtjumper or I can use my old fox van 36
Hey Jeff I just recently purchased a new Fox 36 and need to increase the travel ten mm. I noticed you using two different tools to get that snap ring out. My question Is does that ring have holes in each end so that I could use snap ring pliers??
Travel changes with the installation of the new air spring shaft. If you want to service the fork by installing new fork seals, this is a great time to do that.
Oh man that’s an older fork I’d guess? Back in ~2010 the 180 forks had different lowers and the travel adjust procedure was different (and easier). You could still set it up 160 no prob tho!
Just got grip2 fox 36 forks and want to reduce to 140mm travel and use it on my new ripley build, didnt like 34 on it need bigger fork for this bike if you ride like you :)
Jeff you went from a 150 to a 160, but can you go to a 140mm from the 160? Currently have 160 with PUSH ACS-3 coil insert so not sure how things will turnout...
Bandit, Fox generally has 140/150/160/170 conversion kits to fit all 2018-20 36 forks. Not sure what additional parts you'd need to convert from the Push set up back to stock. Try contacting Push first!
Hi Jeff how are you? How did you find the 150 travel on the Ripmo? I have a Ripmo V1 and Im thinking of putting a 150 36 Fox on it to give it a more 'trail' character.
Hey Stavros, I'm 174cm (about 5 foot 8 inches) and the 150 fork kinda sucks on the Ripmo. The Ripmo works great with a 160 fork, and while Ibis does not condone it, a 170 fork is even better. The Ripmo is pretty low to the ground, so the lower front end means more pedal strikes. The head angle is also a tad steep for how long the bike is, so the slacker angles feel much better. The new Ripmo 2 is a full degree slacker- and everyone reports that it rides better. My fave set up thus far was the Trust Shout 178mm fork on the Ripmo 2. If you have a 150 fork and a Ripmo, definitely bump it up to 160!
Hi Jeff, I’m keen to know what the Ripmo was like with a 150? Any benefits on the flatter trails? I have a ripmo and was thinking of trying 150mm for the tamer trail riding close to my home.
Hey Normy, FWIW, I thought the Ripmo sucked with a 150 fork. The BB is already very low, and with the 10mm less clearance, I smashed pedals all over. Between 150 and 160 on the Fox, I much preferred 160. I do prefer the 178mm travel Trust Shout over the Fox for geometry, as the taller front ends feels good on the Ripmo- even for flatter trail riding. The Ripley with a 140 fork is a better set up for flatter trails.
Thanks for the honest feedback Jeff, I definitely don’t want to make a change that makes a bike worse. Yeah a Ripley would make a great stablemate for the Ripmo...
I’m going to change out my travel on my 34 to 160mm just to see if I like it before committing to a 36. I’m 150lbs. and usually ride a little bit under recommended pressure in my shocks. It just feels so much better but I still feel I bottom out to much, even with 3 spacers. Does anyone think it’s a bad idea to ride 34 with 160mm on a Jeffsy for extended period if I like it? How much difference does a 36 make over 34 for lighter riders? Also love the face you make every time you wack your fork with a mallet. The pain is necessary
You really think you could see 10mm, which is .393” with the naked eye?? Why don’t you measure the exposed amount of upper stanchion? On a Fox fork there will be around 2-3 mm of of stanchion that don’t go all the way into the seals at bottom out. Take some calipers, or even a ruler/tape measure and measure the exposed stanchion and see what it reads (remember to subtract around 2-3 mm). That’s how much travel your fork is set to
Do you know if you can take the 160 grip2 Fork and shorten it to 150? I’m looking to upgrade the fork on my intense to a fox, but want the grip2 like I have on my Slash. I want all the adjustables! Haha
Hey Jeff. So comparing a 150mm and160mm fork, the lowers and stanchions are exactly the same? The only difference being the air spring? Is this the same situation if comparing something like a 160mm to a 170mm?
Yes. They’re all basically the same fork (36’s) but with different air shaft lengths. Think about it- the air shaft extends down to bolt to the lowers and never moves relative to the lower legs. The shorter the shaft, the less distance from the air piston/seal to lower lower legs. I’m not sure what the minimum travel a 36 can be set to (and that differs from model year to model year) but any Fox 36 can have its travel changed. My 2022 came stock at 160mm and I believe max (for 2022 at least) is 170mm. I’d have to imagine the lowest you could set the travel to is around 140/150mm but you’d have to check with Fox for whatever model year you have. Each Travel length will require an air shaft for the specific travel you choose tho- these aren’t travel adjustable on the fly like some old Fox Forks used to be. Just as an example, I changed a 170mm RS Lyrik all the way down to 130mm. It works perfectly fine.
That's a great question Blue! My mic is pretty far from the fork, but it makes a little noise. Best advice I can give ya is go to a shop with tons of Fox 36 equipped bikes on the floor, squish them all, and listen closely. Compare that to yours.
Technically you “don’t have to “ but you at least have to let the air out or you’ll send the air shaft flying like a missile! Plus you need to put 3cc of oil in the positive air chamber so removing the top cap is highly recommended
Love your videos.....is process the same on a Fox 34.....I’m happy with the 36 at this point on the Ripmo but maybe a bit more travel on the Ripley LS May be nice....?????
Jeff-nice video with easy to follow instruction. Are you using a short offset fork on the Ripmo AF? I have a Rockshox RC2, 160mm, 51mm offset that I was thinking of using on my build.
Thanks Fan! I wish I had a short offset fork, but this old one I have here is still a big ol 51 offset. It works fine, but the shorter offset is better. Handling will be more predictable. But yes, you could run that 51 fork just fine.
Hey Jeff...great content, love watching you and Nate Hills vids. Question, I'm buying a SB130 LR which has the fox Factory 36 wiht160mm travel....I can change that to a 150mm correct ?
Vegan Powered my understanding is the 36 can vary in travel from as low as 140 to 180 but I’m no mechanic, I found that on foxs website. Question: why would you want less travel? I have an SB5 and was thinking of boosting up to 160mm and adding volume spacers to steepen the compression curve while increasing small bump compliance
Have you thought about slapping a 29er fork on your HD4 or HD5? You know make it a mullet bike. I think it would make a good video. I'm want to try a 150mm 29er on my HD4. And please don't say just get a RipMo. I've ridden it a few times as well as the new Ripley. I'm not a fan of 29 inch wheels in the rear but there is advantages to the front for sure
Good video and fun project. Having messed this up a few times, there are a few good things to do. Dont reuse crush washers. Not worth it. Triple check the oil chart at fox, as different dampers use different oil wt and amounts. That's too much slick honey, you dont need that much and it can clog the pos/neg equalization port (per Fox technician). Just a minor coating will do it. Lastly, airing the fork up properly can be critical to avoiding fork suck down. This is due to the dimple design rather than separate valves or shrader valve equalization ports. You want to add in air 15psi at a time (you rarely do it so might as well do it right). Add 15psi and cycle the fork 10 times slowly to get equalization of both air chambers. The dimple is about an inch and half down from the top of the stantion. If you just jump it up to 75psi...when you equalize it...the air is so pressurized that it often screws up the equalization and can suck down you for 10 to 15mm.
If you do get significant suckdown (some is super normal with dual air springs and a good thing)...then simply remove air 5psi at a time and cycle the fork slowly 10 times. Then air it up 15 psi at a time and boom, itll be perfect again. When you remove it 5psi at a time, you are allowing it to equalize without sucking down the fork an inch or two (which happens as the neg chamber isnt equalized) and eventually sucking the entire fork down at low psi...so much suck down you cant get it to extend to the equalization dimple and now its crappy. This avoids that and just takes an extra 15mins. If done right, you can get all/most air out with the fork fully extended still or mostly. Cheers
Great feedback, thanks Steve!!!
All the MTB dads out there thank you for these awesome tech tips! The why? Kids are racing - bike shops are weeks out (even though Fanatik and Earl's always make the race happen - thanks!) so anything that can help me keep the equipment running better makes the season so much smoother. Nothing worse that your kit ruining a weekend. The shops benefit also - the more you know, it seems the more they can do for you. Follow Jeff's videos and the shops will be able to do some next level stuff on your bike. The entire experience gets better the more you know - so that is the why Jeff.
1.5 years later... thanks for posting this. I've been able to change the travel on two Fox 36's now so thank you! =)
Jeff you mentioned the foot-nut was chewed-up at 8:00 ...it's a good idea to use 6 point sockets on fragile aluminum fasteners... that might prevent rounding of the nut.
Jeff, I just used this a reference to change a new Fox 36 to 160 travel from 150 travel. Thanks for making this!
This guy is awesome, I learn so much from him. I think he is the best, speaks clear English
Great video Jeff, I’m running a 2022 36 and changing the travel to 140 to suit the bike, following this video 👍
Watching it because I like your videos, no other reason.
Hahaha thank you, I appreciate it!!!
My bike (2019 Vitus Escarpe VRX 29) came with a Fox 36 Factory G2 150mm. My last bike (2016Yeti Sb5.5c) had the same fork buy 160mm and I miss than extra travel. Plus I believe it'll improve the Escarpe geometry so I will definitely upgrade this winter when I typically service the fork. Thanks for showing how easy this can be! PS. My kids love your channel!
PPS. That is such a cheap upgrade for a fork that costs around $1k!
Great vid, I did the same liberal coating of slickoneum then read Vin's comment below! Haha oh well seems to have worked well so far (pending a test ride). Bumped the Bronson v4 to 170mm for the squamish enduro.
great video. to answer your question, i have a 34 Fox Forx with 130 mm front and 130 mm back on my bike. i am good with 130 mm, but really really want more, so a simple upgrade is 140 up front...especially since i haven't serviced my forks since i got it 3 years ago and they need it!
I bought a used 36 that has been traveled from 150 to 170mm. I gave it a try in my ripmo and it feels great =) In case I wanna experiment with 160mm in the future, I hope this video will give me some hints for a hassle-free change of travel :) .. back to the vid ;)
NICE! I am gonna try the shout on the Ripmo AF, that should be interesting!!!
Yes, Jeff! I would love to hear what you think about that combo (handling, slacker headangle, higher bb) 😊
I did combine it with a slightly softer SAG (20,5%), lower bar (1 medium spacer) and 5mm less rise.
Best advice on how to reduce travel on a performance fox 36 front shox from 170 to 150... just to test and compare on some local trails.
I have a Fox 36 factory 150mm on a Niner rip 9 but I want to bump up the travel to 160mm.
Go for it! Just double check that code at the top of your fork leg to be sure you're following the right procedure for the exact year/model fork you've got.
Hey DJ MTB.. Thinking of doing EXACTLY the same thing to my RIP9.. Love the 150, but think 160 would be even better.. Let us know how it goes.. Seems pretty straightforward....? My only hesitation is that its about $150 worth of parts there, and my local shop would charge 240 total... so I know I would save 90 bucks, but maybe it would be worth that to leave it to a pro..... :)
Jeff, new subscriber, great video. Not really going to attempt the procedure, I just saw your operating on the new Ripmo AF, which I just picked up at my local bike shop, and wanted to appreciate the goodness that is the Ripmo AF.
Hahaha thanks Mike! It's cool to know that it's this easy to mod a 2018/19 Fox 36! Enjoy your Ripmo AF, I was LOVING mine today here in Whistler!
2019 fox 36 with 150mm travel. Just ordered a 160 air spring for my 2020 Stumpjumper Evo.
I have a 36 performance is this the same as the factory 36
I want to go from 150 to 160 on my v2 Hightower to complement the cascade lower link that’s on the way! Thanks for the awesome content!
I've done this on a Fox 34 to go from 130mm to 140mm and I've done it on my current Fox 36 to go from 160mm to 150mm. The only thing I do different is i add some slick honey to the seals before I put the lowers back on.
Nice! Yeah I put some slick honey on the lowers to get into the seals there, and the fork is WAY plusher than before!
What were you aiming to gain going from the switch from 160 to 150, out of curiosity?
Voluntary Anarchy my guess is he upgraded his 34 to the 36, bought it at 160mm but that was too big a jump from the 140mm so he put it at 150mm. If it was a bike spec’d at 160mm it would really make no sense so hopefully this is what he was doing. If the bike was spec’d originally at 130mm, 150mm is still a big jump but doable a lot of the time, whereas a 30mm jump would be way too much on almost any rig.
@@markusbouman8830 I just say this original question. Two different bikes. Yes, I bought the forks used and had to change them to match the specs of the bikes.
Markus Boum
I'm currently running rockshox recon sl at 130mm and was thinking of getting fox 36 in 170mm then bringing then down to 150mm travel. All for my marin san Quentin 2
Did you done that upgrade? And how it feels? I have San Quentin-2 but found only fox36 150mm travel for 29-wheel, so i think it seems like fork with 160mm travel for 27.5 wheel
160mm Fox 36 Rhythm that came with the bike 🤣. Cool video, thanks for sharing 🤘😎
Right on Luis!
Got a 2018 fox 36 on a bike I perchased second hand with the grip dampener. Ideally want to upgrade to a grip 2 dampener stick a vorsprung luftkappe unit into it and in increase it’s travel from 160 to 170 if possible.
can you change the travel down to 140mm on the 2022 fox 36?
Looking at the Fox Factory 34 120, gonna go 140 , replacing the x-fusion mig on my brand new Specialized Fuze 27.5
Thanks for the tutorial!it helped a lot when I was lowering the travel on my bomber z1 to fit my trail bike🤘
I have a 2018 Ibis Mojo 3 with a Fox 34 and a 2020 Rocky Mountain Slayer with a Fox 36 (later years came with the 38). I"m a big dude (like... real big) so I picked up a 38 for the slayer and I'm going to bump the 36 down to the Mojo to stiffen up the front end a bit. So I'm dropping to 140mm of travel for that.
I have a Fox36 (160mm) with a Grip2 damper on my HD4. Love the feel of the fork setup.
Thanks for the video. This was an easy install with this video! First time working on a fork and it was less than an hour. Most of that time spent cleaning up!
Great video. I have a 130mm travel on a Fox 34 Performance and want to raise it to 140mm for my Pivot Trail 429. It looks very doable. Thanks for the tips.
Thanks to your video I did a service on my 36 👍✌️
Unlike most, I'm gonna drop from 160mm-150mm on my bike. I do a ton of climbing and the 160 can get really annoying in the steep climbs. I hate to give up the 10mm as I love to shred but I think the trade off will be good for my riding. Hope I can do the job. Gonna give it a shot!😬
Currently have a 160mm on my yeti lunch ride. Was considering trying a 150mm to see if I would get the bike more playfull. Only 1/2 degree of head angle though.....
Going Shorter. Bought a used 160 for my hardtail and only need a 140.
I've been thinking about bumping up my travel on my tallboy to 130mm since i got it about a year ago and with all this time on my hands during quarantine I decided to give it a shot!
Edit: I know I have a 34 and not a 36 I'm just watching for reference.
I am working on shortening the travel on my 36 from 160 to 150-140 because I want to put the beast on my next trail bike.
running an x-fusion metric. which can drop from 180 to 160 (its in 180 atm). watching this vid to get info drips on how the performance changes between the two modes (different fork granted but its good to compare).
That's a great fork! I still have an old X-Fusion Vengeance that I rode a ton at 170mm. The suspension performance is similar but you'll have less travel and will therefore need to run a tad less sag. Same percent, but it'll be a smaller amount due to the shorter fork. For most ordinary trails, 180 is overkill, so it'll probably be good. Unless you mostly ride triple black steeps!
I have 170mm a need to go down to 130mm wonder what I’d need for that.
Running a 2021 SB130 LR with 160mm travel. Mostly was curious what determines travel and how easy it is to change it.
I have a FOX 36 that I purchased used and it's set at 140mm travel, it's on a SNAB T1 so it can accept a 140mm-160mm travel fork... I an wanting to set mine to 150mm travel
Right on David! It's a pretty straight forwards procedure, go for it!
You make everything look easy👍did you really have coffee in your cup?😂
Thank you Sylvain! That was just water in my cup!
I’m planning on changing my 160 mm 36 to 170 on my ripmo v1 , helpfully video 👍
I bought a used 180mm Fox Factory 36 Fork, that I need to reduce to 160mm, to fit proper on my Intense.
Awesome, that's a very do-able goal!
Im running a DVO diamond 150mm on a 2017 Norco Sight C7.1. For 2019 Norco bumped up the fork travel on the same frame/model Sight to 160mm so am going to remove the travel reducer to push the fork back to 160
Right on Phil, hopefully it's easy to change the travel. FWIW, volume reducers do not shorten a fork's travel.
Jeff Kendall-Weed my bad- I meant travel reducer not volume reducer
Does going shorter travel reduce overall length of fork
I ride a cube stereo 150 with a 160mm fork and wanted more travel up front
Does adding travel bring the bottom bracket up and change the head tube angle? Or so does the fork sit at the same height but just have more travel?
Switching from 160mm to 170mm It raises the fork (axle to crown length) ever so slightly. So yes, it technically does raise the bottom bracket up a little and slackens the head angle slightly too, but not enough to be very noticeable. 10mm= .397” so that extra 3/8” won’t be too noticeable. If you start raising your fork by an inch or more of travel, then you’ll get noticeable changes in geometry
Can you increase the fox 36,,100 mm 26er,, I would like to increase that fork to 120mm. Currently I'm running a RockShox DJ 26er. It's the 140 mm version I want to reduce it to 120 should I just add spacers would that bring down the ride height
Thanks, Jeff! Super helpfull!
Levo 2019 max recommend fork travel is 160mm so my 36 grip 2 came 170mm!
Just avoiding any warranty mess
Ive got a 2018 fox float 130mm wanting to go 140mm. Do I only need to replace just the one side with that part from Jenson. Hopefully you know what im trying to say. The fork travel adjustment part that's only one side right?
I didn’t see you make any length adjustments?? Good service video though.
Shane, I removed a 150mm travel air shaft and installed a 160 travel shaft.
You got my subscription just off that intro, sick👍
I have a 2020 Fox Float 36 Rhythm 150mm fork. Is it possible to increase it to 160mm?
I think so!
Can you do this with a fit4 36
That's exactly the fork I mod'ed to 160 in this very video! Just punch that 4 digit code from the top left of your fork lowers into the Fox site to be sure it's the correct procedure for the year/model fork you've got there.
Does this apply to the Rhythm 36 as well?
Hello, I want to ask you something, I also have a fox 36 and my question is, I want to go from 160mm to 140mm, what should I change?
You’d need a 36 140mm air shaft for the correct year, around £60. Just be aware if you bike came stock with a 160mm travel fork then dropping it 20mm isn’t advisable as you will lower the bb and steepen the head angle.
@@AnotherMrLizard Hi my bike is 140mm travel and I got this Fox 36 160 travel fork and I want to make it 140mm to fit my bike
@@MegaPele22 ah ok the air shaft is all you need then
I'm getting a 160mm 36, MIGHT want to drop it to 150 if it doesn't climb right as I'm mostly around boring flat trails, though I want it for the primo stuff 2 hrs away.
Hi,
do you advise changing any of your settings after adjusting the fork travel? (Psi, tokens, compression or rebound damping) Or leave them the same? I'm going 160mm to 170mm. Thanks for the tips.
So if I bought a fox 36 160mm could I set it a 150mm? Just because my bike has 130mm of rear travel so I heard you should stick within 20mm of the original travel? Would be sick if you replied 🤟
Yes Tom! As long as it’s a 2017-2020 fork there are 140-170mm spring kits available. I think I they are about $43 through that link I’ve got up there!
Jeff Kendall-Weed thanks a lot!
I changed my Fox 36 EVOL 2018 from 160 to 170. I bought the uprgade kit for my Orbea Rallon. I ordered the airchamber compared to my DDGL code. But.... Damper side is to short! So a knocking sound when lifting front wheel :( It s the sound of the end of the damper side fully at longets position. Really dissapointed. Had to mount the 160mm back.
How do I know what the travel is on a fox 36 grip 2 which I bought second hand
Jeff, very nice video as always... doesn't Fox recommend replacing the crush washer after each use (i.e. at 7:30 )? I think the idea is that it is only meant to be deformed 1x time. I hope you fully recovered from your last big crash by now.
I’m watching because it’s you🙈🤪😁
Thanks so much Jedidiah!!!
Hello guys does anyone know if you can reduce the travel on a 36 talas 120_160 so the maximum travel would be 150mm is it the same thing? Any info would be appreciated
Great video mate, does this make the
HTA slaker?
I want to have a longer travel fork for the rougher trails I ride.
I want to go shorter travel on a 2017 Fox Factory 36 Grip-2.
Reducing travel on a 160mm fork. I have a bike with 140mm fork, but it takes 9mm QR, which just seems flimsy to me. I a spare fork (project that never happened) and a front wheel with a 20mm TA, so time to beef up the bike.
Cool! Have fun with the project! I can't help but mention that if you need any parts, always check good 'ol Jenson USA, those guys sponsored this vid and they help me out a bunch. Here's an affiliate link to their site: bit.ly/JensonJKW
Liked your video thanks 👍🏼 I’m from Santa Cruz and have An Ibis HD3 🤙🏼 I have the fox 36
Going to go against popular trends here....If i was to lower my fox 38 @ 180mm to 170 or 160mm is a change of both the air spring and damper needed. Also and i hope this isnt a real stupid question.....will this lower the ride height or just the length of the travel?
Hey Avg, on the 38 you need a more expensive air spring assembly but the damper does NOT need to be changed (or even touched, really, besides removing the footnut so you can pull the lowers)
2018 fox 36 on my Giant Trance E. Going longer because I’m probably riding it a bit rowdier than most ebike riders and using all the travel very often.
Rght on Ryan- longer travel is certainly the trend here!
I watch all your videos. After this one, I’m going to check Jenson out for maintenance parts kits.
Thanks man!!!
I've got really important question. Can you change travel in fox van 36, it isn't the air suspension, it has got a spring inside. I really need the answer cause i dont know should I buy new fork for my dirtjumper or I can use my old fox van 36
Hey Jeff I just recently purchased a new Fox 36 and need to increase the travel ten mm. I noticed you using two different tools to get that snap ring out. My question Is does that ring have holes in each end so that I could use snap ring pliers??
Yes. They make the job much easier. A cheap one on Amazon is about $12. Well worth it.
did he change the travel or just did a fork service
Travel changes with the installation of the new air spring shaft. If you want to service the fork by installing new fork seals, this is a great time to do that.
Is there any difference in a fox 36 that starts at 180 vs 160 after you swap the air spring? Is the stanchion longer or anything? Sry im a noob
Oh man that’s an older fork I’d guess? Back in ~2010 the 180 forks had different lowers and the travel adjust procedure was different (and easier). You could still set it up 160 no prob tho!
Just got grip2 fox 36 forks and want to reduce to 140mm travel and use it on my new ripley build, didnt like 34 on it need bigger fork for this bike if you ride like you :)
Right on Donn!!! That was my other plan for this fork, but then the Ripmo AF came along, so 160 it is!
Jeff you went from a 150 to a 160, but can you go to a 140mm from the 160? Currently have 160 with PUSH ACS-3 coil insert so not sure how things will turnout...
Bandit, Fox generally has 140/150/160/170 conversion kits to fit all 2018-20 36 forks. Not sure what additional parts you'd need to convert from the Push set up back to stock. Try contacting Push first!
To see what is involved in taking a fox 34 from 130 to 140 for a couple bikes I am looking at.
Bought a 150mm fox 36, lowering it to 120mm for a DJ bike.
I'm watching, because I'm your subscriber and I watch all of your videos!
Thanks Tomi!
Hi Jeff how are you? How did you find the 150 travel on the Ripmo?
I have a Ripmo V1 and Im thinking of putting a 150 36 Fox on it to give it a more 'trail' character.
Hey Stavros, I'm 174cm (about 5 foot 8 inches) and the 150 fork kinda sucks on the Ripmo. The Ripmo works great with a 160 fork, and while Ibis does not condone it, a 170 fork is even better. The Ripmo is pretty low to the ground, so the lower front end means more pedal strikes. The head angle is also a tad steep for how long the bike is, so the slacker angles feel much better. The new Ripmo 2 is a full degree slacker- and everyone reports that it rides better. My fave set up thus far was the Trust Shout 178mm fork on the Ripmo 2. If you have a 150 fork and a Ripmo, definitely bump it up to 160!
Hi Jeff, I’m keen to know what the Ripmo was like with a 150? Any benefits on the flatter trails? I have a ripmo and was thinking of trying 150mm for the tamer trail riding close to my home.
Hey Normy, FWIW, I thought the Ripmo sucked with a 150 fork. The BB is already very low, and with the 10mm less clearance, I smashed pedals all over. Between 150 and 160 on the Fox, I much preferred 160. I do prefer the 178mm travel Trust Shout over the Fox for geometry, as the taller front ends feels good on the Ripmo- even for flatter trail riding. The Ripley with a 140 fork is a better set up for flatter trails.
Thanks for the honest feedback Jeff, I definitely don’t want to make a change that makes a bike worse. Yeah a Ripley would make a great stablemate for the Ripmo...
I’m going to change out my travel on my 34 to 160mm just to see if I like it before committing to a 36. I’m 150lbs. and usually ride a little bit under recommended pressure in my shocks. It just feels so much better but I still feel I bottom out to much, even with 3 spacers. Does anyone think it’s a bad idea to ride 34 with 160mm on a Jeffsy for extended period if I like it? How much difference does a 36 make over 34 for lighter riders?
Also love the face you make every time you wack your fork with a mallet. The pain is necessary
Im only watching because i feel my 2016 fork looks way long for being 150mm. I wanted to see if yours looked the same
You really think you could see 10mm, which is .393” with the naked eye?? Why don’t you measure the exposed amount of upper stanchion? On a Fox fork there will be around 2-3 mm of of stanchion that don’t go all the way into the seals at bottom out. Take some calipers, or even a ruler/tape measure and measure the exposed stanchion and see what it reads (remember to subtract around 2-3 mm). That’s how much travel your fork is set to
Do you know if you can take the 160 grip2 Fork and shorten it to 150? I’m looking to upgrade the fork on my intense to a fox, but want the grip2 like I have on my Slash. I want all the adjustables! Haha
YES, just double check the year of your fork via that 4 digit code!
Sweet! This will be perfect to have on my ACV. Fox sus is so good
Hey Jeff. So comparing a 150mm and160mm fork, the lowers and stanchions are exactly the same? The only difference being the air spring? Is this the same situation if comparing something like a 160mm to a 170mm?
Yes. They’re all basically the same fork (36’s) but with different air shaft lengths. Think about it- the air shaft extends down to bolt to the lowers and never moves relative to the lower legs. The shorter the shaft, the less distance from the air piston/seal to lower lower legs. I’m not sure what the minimum travel a 36 can be set to (and that differs from model year to model year) but any Fox 36 can have its travel changed. My 2022 came stock at 160mm and I believe max (for 2022 at least) is 170mm. I’d have to imagine the lowest you could set the travel to is around 140/150mm but you’d have to check with Fox for whatever model year you have. Each Travel length will require an air shaft for the specific travel you choose tho- these aren’t travel adjustable on the fly like some old Fox Forks used to be. Just as an example, I changed a 170mm RS Lyrik all the way down to 130mm. It works perfectly fine.
Is it normal for a Fox 36 to make a whooshing sound when it’s compressed? Yours sounded pretty silent at the end when you compressed it.
That's a great question Blue! My mic is pretty far from the fork, but it makes a little noise. Best advice I can give ya is go to a shop with tons of Fox 36 equipped bikes on the floor, squish them all, and listen closely. Compare that to yours.
It also depends on your rebound and LSC settings.
Why do you need to remove the air spring top cap?
Technically you “don’t have to “ but you at least have to let the air out or you’ll send the air shaft flying like a missile! Plus you need to put 3cc of oil in the positive air chamber so removing the top cap is highly recommended
Love your videos.....is process the same on a Fox 34.....I’m happy with the 36 at this point on the Ripmo but maybe a bit more travel on the Ripley LS May be nice....?????
How do you feel about upping the 140mm stock fork to 150 for the mojo3? I live on the Colorado front range and the trails can get pretty rowdy
Hey Jeff! Quick question. What are your thoughts of changing my Fox 36 factory’s travel to 170mm on my Ripmo?
Jeff-nice video with easy to follow instruction. Are you using a short offset fork on the Ripmo AF? I have a Rockshox RC2, 160mm, 51mm offset that I was thinking of using on my build.
Thanks Fan! I wish I had a short offset fork, but this old one I have here is still a big ol 51 offset. It works fine, but the shorter offset is better. Handling will be more predictable. But yes, you could run that 51 fork just fine.
I use a rock shox lyric 140
Right on man!
I want a 140 36 on my next build but they don't sell them in 140 aftermarket
Well hopefully this vid helps you convert down a 36 160 Grip 2 to that 140 length!!!
Just check what damper type you have before doing the oil. FIT takes 20wt as he does in this video but Grip takes 5wt.
Upgrading a fox 34 performance from 130mm to 140mm
am watching this because winter blows.
Hey Jeff...great content, love watching you and Nate Hills vids. Question, I'm buying a SB130 LR which has the fox Factory 36 wiht160mm travel....I can change that to a 150mm correct ?
Vegan Powered my understanding is the 36 can vary in travel from as low as 140 to 180 but I’m no mechanic, I found that on foxs website. Question: why would you want less travel? I have an SB5 and was thinking of boosting up to 160mm and adding volume spacers to steepen the compression curve while increasing small bump compliance
Have you thought about slapping a 29er fork on your HD4 or HD5? You know make it a mullet bike. I think it would make a good video. I'm want to try a 150mm 29er on my HD4. And please don't say just get a RipMo. I've ridden it a few times as well as the new Ripley. I'm not a fan of 29 inch wheels in the rear but there is advantages to the front for sure
Yep, I get that comment all the time! Will do a comparison video soon!