Stephen A. & JJ Redick outline PROS & CONS of a shortened NBA season | First Take
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- Stephen A. Smith, JJ Redick and CJ McCollum are on First Take to dissect Adam Silver’s comments about potentially shortening the NBA season.
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A few years back, a scientist proved that the current spate of injuries can be directly correlated to 2 factors:
1. The ever increasing number of AAU games leading to wear & tear injuries at a younger age.
2. Fewer players growing up NOT playing 2 or 3 other sports, which would normally build complimentary muscle groups known to aid injury avoidance.
If the NBA can create its own AAU type circuit with about a third of the games (I have read up to 9 games in 1 weekend?!) will have positive long term health repercussions.
The hard part is getting the kids to play other sports competitively before turning pro.
Makes sense. My nephew's had several players on their baseball teams with bad knees at 10 and 12 years old, catchers specifically. They had bad knees because they played club ball year round after the school season, and sometimes within the season and they chose which games to play in.
I never got to super competitive level basketball or sports in general but from 5 years old to now I know that 10+ years of basketball and other sports my ankles and shoulders are both incredibly damaged. Teenagers and younger college athletes go through a much tougher time because they are also going through puberty and growing into their bodies
Yes absolutely some of the best basketball players or baseball players. Played two or more sports especially football players to. But AAU is doing a lot of damage to the sport of basketball.
When I was in little league baseball my dad forbade me from throwing curveballs and certain pitches/styles like submarine and sidearm because of the long-term effect it would have on the arm. He was very adamant about long-term health for kids but a lot of dads didn't care about that they just wanted their son to be the best. I'm thankful that my dad cared about that stuff cuz looking back he was right.
Name the scientist
NBA doesn’t suffer from too many games, it’s the ridiculous AAU schedules. A rookie now has way more mileage on their body than a rookie 30 years ago. Of course there’s more injuries. NBA has had 82 games for nearly 5 decades. It shouldn’t change.
Exactly
That’s a good point but you could also argue that AAU basketball gets them ready for the rigors of the NBA season.
aau basketball is so brutal of the body, I’ve had weekends where i might play 3-4 games in one day
This is a great point... Never even thought of it.
@@teedee1167 there's a difference between preparation and performance. NBA players do not now nor have they ever played multiple professional games in one day.
Shorten the season for what injury’s happen now if a player gets injured it gives them less time to come back which means a team could potentially lose a key player to injury rather if u keep it a 82 game season it may give that player more time to get healthy and be available for there team
Injury is a part of the game
Precisely and less games doesn’t make a player LESS injury prone he was gon to tear that ACL regardless
This also assumes less games means the NBA season spans less of the calendar year which from what I've heard, I'm not sure it will.
@@christian11919 thats the stupidest thing ive heard in a long time
It seems logical to me that shortening the season would also mean spreading out the games, i think the season would start and end around the same time as 82-game seasons.
JJs last point was so good man, I’ve been trying to tell people this but he explained it way better
Same thats the entire point. But the solution is the NBA should find ways to actually slow the game down (ie hand checking and increased physicality) so that the players arent so tired and at risk from constantly making athletic plays. This happens in the playoffs and the result is usually a lot better to watch
No it wasn't.
Modern nutrition, training, elimination of back to back to backs, reduced back to backs, first class travel, first class food, and less physicality makes up for the increased possessions and movement.
@@alananderson7903 doesn’t work that way. Humans are still human.
@@alananderson7903 Lmfaooo, nooo buddy. You think back then they didn’t have first class travel and first class food? The NBA just got better, the players got more skilled. The players today aren’t allowed to be as physical as they want because the rules don’t benefit them (which they are slowly physical. Because if anything, players are much more faster, stronger, smarter and more skilled today than the past. It is also tougher to defend now because offense has taken such a leap. Players are no longer restricted to certain duties, all positions are expected to do more than they ever did.
Possessions are low now cause people just jack up quick 3s. Back then you had to set up your offense before you can attempt to score which takes time
After everything RJ said on this topic, idc if they discuss it but there’s no reason they NEED to shorten the season (and they shouldn’t shorten it imo)
Yeah I was of the mind "whatever the players want, it's them who are playing" but after what RJ said, how can anyone argue against it?
He said what he said 💯
@@TruuJones because it doesn't address the problem of the regular season not mattering. As it stands you can (and the majority of fans do) take a couple months off watching basketball and feel like you miss almost nothing. This is not a problem in the majority of other sports and it's because they have less games so every game matters significantly more. If you shortened the nba season it would be a similar effect. the only legitimate argument there is against it (which rj also brought up) is how it alters history and many records automatically become unbreakable but this has happened many times in the past as a result of rule changes and I don't think it's a good enough reason to stop progress that would help the game overall.
@@joshuayoung7972 yeah but shortening the season isn't the only solution to that and he said that.
@@TruuJones true but it's the most effective and the other solutions like an in season tournament also usually involve shorting or altering the season
JJ made a good point about the amount of possessions in today's game. That is one of the reasons we have a lot of injuries in this era.
But its also disingenuous to the 90s because teams like the Pacers, Warriors, Bulls, Lakers etc ran alot of action for shooters, the Bulls triangle, Showtime. Also, players were more physical back then so yes there was less “movement” there was more physicality which is the tradeoff
Is that why the plumbers and firemen of the 1960s averaged like 120 possessions per game? In the 90s, basketball slowed down. But from the 1950s to 1980s, those players would crush the modern players, they run a lot more and shoot way more, this is recorded numbers.
Stop the nonsensical lies.
@@markarmage3776 Because they barely have any developed set plays or even defense lmao. They mostly just run up and down the court to shoot as fast as they can and catch the opponent off guard. If you look up Magic Johnson highlights there are so many fast breaks, it's ridiculous. There's no way those types of play can fly in this era.
Stop the delusion.
@@markarmage3776 I don't know if I should cry or laugh with your comment. If by far the most ridiculous basketball related comment I've read in my life. But I will assume it was sarcasm
@@imamfakhruddin1015 That's not how it works, dummy.
Look at the highlights. The traditional post up plays was invented far before Chamberlain time with George Mikan. They don't shoot as fast as they can.
And Magic Johnson highlights are full of fast breaks because that's his strength only Magic can pass like Magic to create such offense. The reasons Ben Simmons is an all star are the fast breaks. It's much easier to score on breaks now because you can't touch the guy. It just means the quality of basketball is going down.
Fast breaks exist today, they're no longer highlights because nobody can pass like Magic.
Stop making horrible excuses that don't actually makes no sense logically.
When you having to fight through contact every possessions because the defender can push you, that's far more tiresome than doing a dribble handoff.
Don't confuse your fantasy with the truth, pal.
Go study basketball and some math as well.
In basketball today, nobody is always moving. Even if you run a play, only 3 guys are involved, and most of it involves moving only one time. Watching the half court offense of the 1986 Celtics show this quite well.
The movement is the same.
Three seasons in LA -
Kawhi Leonard: 109 games
Paul George: 133 games
Anthony Davis: 138 games
They're all overpaid, so they don't care.
This next agreement between the NBPA and the NBA is going to result in a long lockout. Ben Simmons and Kyrie because of missing games for silly reasons, AD and Harden forcing themselves out of organisations, players now wanting a shortened season with the same money, etc., these are all the ingredients for a long lockout.
Kyrie missed game due to the mandate. Ben Simmons missed games because nobody knows why
ben simmons was hurt most of this year and the NBA was who made that silly mandate anyways. the odds of the kyrie situation happening again
Why dont they ever mention all the load management Kawhi and Lebron have done. Ben Simmons and Kyrie are right there. These players are just soft. Jay touched on ever reason why its not needed. Once money gets discussed to change what people get paid you will hear zero talk about a shortened season. The players share the gates and ticket sales.
Kyrie didn’t miss for silly reasons, the NBA took the social justice warrior route and didn’t let him play because they forced their politics on him and didn’t respect his medical freedom.
@@Ellis1993 exactly, it’s crazy how they think kyrie not wanting to take the vaccine is wrong.
So what’s the point of having 17 active players and the G League? If they shorten the season we need more expansion teams the league is growing. I hate the argument about some games are not important that’s not true some teams just sucks
If a team starts benching their star players once a week, someone is going to complain, either.
@@rubendacostaesilva8442 never said bench them but they can manage minutes better and actually develop players they already have. I always hear “the bench players will give a causal 50” well show us lol
The real problem is we need make basketball a team sport again instead of running the star players to the ground.
Never end a sentence with lol
@@Vanguardkl changed it just for you bud
It makes games more important if the season is shorter along with injury’s. Half the time u wait for ur favorite players to come to play buy tickets ahead of time and they don’t play,sucks.
There will be injuries ether way it goes. Most of the time it's load management is the reason we don't get to see our players
@@chrispettis1486 u can't load manage in a shorter seasons
@@theman9048 you really think that’s just gonna stop??
So true!
@@theman9048 Nope
If it’s not broken don’t fix it, keep it 82 games like it always has been.
It’s broke. The regular season is boring and players don’t play as hard to avoid fatigue
Man it is broken, there are like two months of the regular season where only a handful of games a week seem to matter and demand attention. The product can be better and more engaging
It is broken. Players are finding ways not to play, broken
@@Uzum99 Because they are prima donas. Shaq, Hakeem and other bigs played seasons with 82 games and didn't complain. They just wanted to get paid for play.
Nowadays, they want to get paid and not play. Ben Simmons for example.
lol but it is broken...quite literally since so many players get "injured" so much and have to sit out.
JJ had a point at the end but was wrong since today you see alot of iso one on one possessions where one or two players on a team are moving doing a pnr play and the rest are standing and waiting ...most teams don't have too much ball movement like the warriors or suns.
Look at the pace of the game. Teams in general miss more shots than they make. Look what happens after a miss, the pace is pushed.
@@newrecruit100 Ofc.. however in todays league you should watch on those fast break opportunities that most players aren't pushing the pace , it's really only one or two while the rest stay back or walk up the court.. Alot of players rather not be on someone's highlight reel so they let the player on the fast break go.
Do you remember passing to the post and watching 10 sec back downs?
@@jhowd78 Yup do you remember iso's at the top of the arc for 10s+??
@@sidekickht Honestly more interesting, and it’s not like that hasn’t been a thing since the 80s
If they have less games players will still miss games for load management
Then they won’t get it paid
@@registame2878 Yeah. Go present that option to their speaker, aka Lebron. And watch his response.
@@Hinshu85 losing money! They will change their minds once they realise money is flying of the table
It could be a 50 game season and players would still FAKE injuries aka “ Load Manage “
More contact before - launching threes
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Jordan played 82 games 9 years in his career and was in the club all night smoking cigars going from city to city. Didn’t have half the medical services provided today
Yeah but that's Michael Jordan though, it's like saying Usain Bolt broke the 100m World Record in Beijing while celebrating 10m before the finishing line so what can't everyone else break it
@@ScottFree-GB A lot of players back then did it. Kareem did it too
Jordan skipped nearly three seasons in the middle of his career! Then he retired for another three & came back fat and suck. He missed almost two entire seasons. Jordan only played 11 full seasons when he wasn’t old and fat.
@@spendsshanks6050Kareem stopped running upcourt on fast breaks ten years before he retired.
Soccer season just ended and starts again in August and then they have world cup in the winter .They also have cup games in between the season, that's a grueling schedule. NBA players schedule is not bad at all. Season ends in April -June and begins in October.I don't mind resting players, but I don't want to shortened the season.
Baseball has 162 games , nfl has like what 5 months lol
They actually do load management in soccer. Stars don’t play every game
@@michaelbankole7635 it makes sense to load manage for them cos sometimes a soccer star can have 3 games in the space of a week. and even with that they have less rest than the nba. they only have rest after the first 45 minute half, and then after the next 45 mins when the game ends. they dont just get timeouts (which can be called by either teams), and they only have like 3 or 4 subs. u subbed out u cannot sub back in, so u cant sub neymar out for him to rest and then have him back in again. soccer needs a shorter season, they play too many competitions. not nba
How about we identify who actually wants the shorter season?
It probably is the players, but for some reason, we don't really know who is behind this initiative
A shorter season doesn't help the owners recoup their investment, or the corporate advertisers reach more people with their message, in fewer games.
I’m glad someone else said this because I thought nobody else peeped
@Dinokale people get injured in the first month of the season too injuries are not the problem.m and you don’t have to watch every game watch your team and highlights if it’s too much for you.
Loving SAS humble energy on this particular video
Facts seems he's actually being himself & not the First Take character hooting & hollering he often does.
@@hardworkingcriminal4873 these basketball players/analyst are really are bringing the best out of him
If they shorten the season I feel like they taking away the opportunity to break milestones and records from current players. It’ll be another one of those arguments….. “Only reason KD didn’t finish top 5 in scoring all time is because they shortened the NBA seasons” naaa bra not tryna hear it keep it how it is 💯 niggas get paid millions (generational changing) money to do what the average athlete cannot that simple. Ya made all the sacrifices is all payin off errytime ya get paid ya takin away from fans
Some teams should slow it down and bring it back to slow posessions in today's league. Utah use to be annoying with the but they always controlled the pace.
It’s not the 90s anymore its a faster pace game now
Shortening the season is league suicide. It would put many of the records set over the last 60 years permanently out of reach for future players. Does that sound fun to watch? Its an absurd idea.
You just said you're totally against a 4 point line
@@EduardoOliveira-zx9ju Here is an idea, just don't screw with the game.
I agree 👍 with STEVEN A. ON THIS.
I went from can't standing J.J. when he was playing in college to him becoming one of my favorite players in the pros for a lot of reasons. I hope he gets to stay part of the conversation for a long time.
Well, here's my take: with so many teams making the playoffs and having a chance make the playoffs, does such a long season really make sense?
Exactly people have been calling for a shorter seasons. But now since they want to talk injury all of a sudden people want to keep it long.
More games = more revenue
@@SundevilRoadrunner not necessarily, less games = more important games = more viewers
@@michiel4190 that sounds nice, but makes no sense because more games = more total viewers
@@michiel4190 more games means more ticket sales, concession, views, parking, etc
They need to get a handle on these Prep schools and AAU teams putting teenagers through 80 games year around. You’re seeing some 16-18 year olds GOING INTO COLLEGE having suffered torn ACLs, severe ankle injuries, and many other ailments. Zion had gone through 2 lower body injuries before stepping foot on a college court and this was when he was way skinnier and leaner. Once you put a handle on these prep schedules, you won’t have the need to drastically change the NBA schedule.
A longer season is better because it makes basketball more fun and gives nba teams a chance of making the playoffs
Teams will make the playoffs every year
I think JJ should try to take a coaching vacancy-- he knows his stuff yall!!
NBA 82 games is a testament of discipline and strategy of teams. Shorten season will just make players soft that they will not overshadow 82 games era of greatest players.
Why not just keep the 82 games and rotate the squad.. The starters dont have to play every single game. give more minutes to the bench players.
It’ll = less viewership which means less money. People won’t tune in or buy tix to games to watch bench players
@@realtalkwithjordan8026 I dont mean rest all the starters in the same game.. Mix it up.. Give guys a game off when they need it
@@banksfranks775 i dont understand how this decade suddenly 82 games are tiresome , it sounds like overpriviledged players
@@okdude8215 Facts
ESPN needs too have RJ and JJ Reddick debate on this subject
JJ makes an excellent point about how the game is now much harder on the bodies of players. However, the main reason to shorten the season is to keep the game vibrant and relevant. With everyone addicted to their smart phones, 82 games are redundant. Many are boring. People lose interest. The general public finds alternative ways to amuse themselves. I think after consulting with marketing people, Commissioner Silver will shorten the season, but also add a Christmastime tournament of some sort. The NBA will not wait to evolve, while baseball will be diminished greatly in status.
The media only points out Ben Simmons and Kyrie but never when teams make players sit like John Wall and Andre Drummond. You can’t have it both ways.
Thank you
Cause they are superstars?
I wouldn’t mind shortening the season, by the time the 65th game comes around I’m ready for playoff basketball whether my team is in or not
To me one of the worst possible outcomes of a shortened season is ticket prices will most likely go up to compensate for the reduction of games. I am a NBA fan and can only afford to take my family to a few games a year purchasing decent seats. I hope there won't be any dramatic changes.
I've been wanting this for awhile now, I think the NBA should have their opening day on Christmas!
The look on Stephen's face is "I can only tolerate so much of you guys"! LOL
JJ and BEV a good addition to the crew, They need to keep this up. Its nice having players as they know the in and out of the league
bad idea
When has anyone ever said no to working less but getting paid the same or more. Absolutely ridiculous. Also don't forget fans less games equals more demand for games which means those ticket prices are gonna go up even more now. Good luck
J.J. brings up a good point about the pace the game is now played at. Compared to the 90s, it's not as physical in terms of players being able to put a body on one another and give hard fouls etc. but the off court training which is now year round, level of conditioning ala Pat Riley level and the pace that's expected of them to play at puts possibly even more stress on their bodies and increases the risk of injury than the 90s when the Barkley's of the NBA could get away with eating Big Macs and going for a jog now and then. To me, the main issue should be how does the NBA create an exciting, competitive game whether that's the regular season or playoffs? Why should we as fans continue to buy full priced tickets to games where it's uncertain if superstars will play or if they do play, give full effort? With new technologies like blockchain, maybe fans could be reimbursed if say a superstar like Kyrie misses a game.
Why do I keep seeing Pat Riley name being brought up? Is he a fitness guru lool
I don't think you shorten it for the players health. You shorten the season because it will help with fan engagement and ratings. If there's a 58 game season every game matters so you get a better product. Also if fans know you're only going to see your team play another great team once or twice a year you're much more likely to tune into that game or go see it in person. For basketball to grow it has to shorten the season.
Think about what you said. There's nothing you can say that tell me shortening the schedule by "24" games is going to increase ratings and popularity. Only 8 teams make the playoffs and there are a lot of bad teams out there. So what's next are you in favor of a 3 or 5 game playoff series too? Makes no sense, the NBA is not broken so fans needs to suck it up.
@@djaramillo09 it will increase individual game ratings, coz each game is worth more now and teams might not sit their stars as often so more ppl will watch
I feel that plus a shorter season spreads the games out allows fans to watch more games instead of there being 8 games a night there might be 4 or so much easier to follow for us but to ms 58 seems very low I think 72 seems perfect to me but idk
JJ is taking someone’s job for sure !!! I love his non biased opinions. And he has arguments that justify both ends of the spectrum. I couldn’t agree more with the segments he’s had this week!!
yea
One of the reasons the NFL is by far and away the biggest league is because they play so few games a season. Every single game matters so much more.
This year, we get the Suns romping through everyone and finishing with a double digit game win lead and when it comes to the playoffs they're out before the Western conference finals.
Each team plays the other twice (home and away) - 58 games, and then - have a one game knockout format. Every single game is a Game 7 where your entire season is on the line.
Once you trim it like this, you can add an additional tournament to be played at some stage where the conference winners get a first round bye, and then all the teams play a single game knockout tournament. The team that wins it all just has to win 5 games in a row. It would make it more probable that a traditionally smaller team can finally get some silverware. It can be an additional trophy to win during a season. Then we'll get the greatest teams winning "the double".
Either reduce the games or y’all just deal with the load management that goes on. I’d say stick with the latter.
Don't load manage road games
They’ll still find an excuse to “load manage” during the regular season.
@@davyjoneslocker4859 fact no road game cuz I only get too se curry or lebron 2 in New York
Load management with today’s travel quality, therapy, advanced training and dieting is a joke
Even if you reduce the games these players will still make lame excuses for “load management.” How about these players EARN their $100 million paychecks and play every game if they’re healthy.
Basketball is so long winded, I always end up losing interest at some point. I don’t. Know how players and Americans remain interested in this sport for a whole season
When you bring up extra possessions you also need to mention the fact how physical basketball was back then and how basically every team is just jacking up 3s in those extra possessions.
If you allow for players to constantly get their way in another 10-20 years the players are gonna be complaining and asking for a 40-50 game season with the same pay. It’s not a good trend. Basketball is not a physical sport in the same category as football and other sports. An 82 game season is not demanding too much from athletes. If they could do it with the limited resources they had in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s. Then they should have no problem doing it in 2020s.
You’re in the minority of people who think these players should play 82 games but only watch about 25 throughout the duration of the season .. there is no reason to play 82 games .. if a team plays every team in the league twice that would be 62 .. what is the additional 20 for ? Divisions don’t matter in the nba so there’s no excuse that can validate a team playing someone in their division 4 times. You guys don’t make sense
@@jeanraphael60 TO BE 💯% clear. I WATVH EVERY SIXERS GAME!!! Home & away dickhead so miss me
@Dinokale because there’s only 17 regular season games dickhead
"Not demanding too much"? That's easy for you to say. Comparing those NBA guys to us is like comparing an Indy 500 car to a Budget Rent a Car. They are much bigger, have different musculature, and can do super human things with their bodies. Hence, the running game that JJ alluded to puts a great deal of strain on their bodies. They break down. I went to a Lakers game in the1960s. The players were smaller in mass, no weight training, and in general not as fast nor quick. They could handle the strain of 82 games better, because they applied less force to the game, and to themselves. But the main reason is that too many of the 82 games are boring and meaningless in a society dominated by smart phones.
@@ARIZJOE convenient how you mentioned the 60's but not every other decade including most of the 2010's. The pace in the late 80s early 90s was similar to today.
David stern would never
Injury or not injury's shouldn't be a problem, these are professional athletes and they are the best of the best. Playing through injury and coming back are things that makes the players great and legendary, do you feel like Jordan didn't felt bad while playing on the "flue game" or you don't think Pippen didn't wanted to be well rested for when his back was hurt?
You are being payed millions to go through this and if being able to play through hardship and injuries is part of what makes these athletes legends.
Dont cut the games just add preplanned rest days for the starting 5 and lower ticket prices for those days
There's no way the players and owners agree to a pay cut / less revenue. The fans will pay for this, make no mistake about it. More expensive tickets, more expensive merch, more expensive streaming options. No business on Earth would voluntarily slash their own revenue by 10-20%, and this is ignoring the impact it would have on all the other stakeholders that are involved, to name a few: Local communities and government, broadcasters, advertisers, employees who are not players, etc. The NBA also has a global strategy that spans decades, less games affects projected growth. All so that players can have more days off while still taking days off on top of the 5.5 months a year most of them already get off.
Revenue would cut for owners because of the television deal...less games means less ad revenue from commercials & media takes a hit because the depending on how games are scheduled debate shows have less to talk bout during basketball season
Excellent points, but you miss important key elements of the trade-offs. We've seen injuries skyrocket in the past decade. SOOOOO many teams either missed the playoffs or didn't get far in the playoffs because of numerous injuries to STAR players, let alone various role players. The product on the floor is not as great for the fans as it could be, which I'm sure affects ticket sales/merch sales/brand equity/etc.
The players are the most important asset that the leagues have. Without the players, you have nothing. Teams don't enjoy giving massive contracts to players who miss large chunks of seasons or entire seasons. That's already lost revenue. It might actually be more cost-effective to shorten the season than to have a full season with so many players sitting out, missing games, ruining their playoff hopes.
@@TheUltimateRage Injuries will still happen
The only thing I will say to JJ is…how many possessions out of the 104 possessions do we see someone run down and take a quick 3. So although there are more possessions the gap doesn’t seem as large (although there still is a gap) in regards to the toll it takes on the body.
i think your point validates JJ’s argument because even if a possesion is a run down and quick 3, there is less time between transitions. You would sprint the court, your team takes a quick 3 and you have to almost immediately sprint back to defend
@@cris1766 you what, that is a fair point.
I was thinking having to play defense, and cover ground, for 24 sec, running threw picks on defense or setting them on offense. All of that doesn’t happen when you run down and take a quick 3. But you do have to run back and forth more and go right back to defense/right back to offense. I wasn’t thinking about it like that
Less games = more meaningful games. Imagine if the NFL had 30 games. Sundays wouldn't even matter anymore
The fact there is no physical play in today's game negates jjs argument
Shortened season would ruin all time records
What; that’s their problem
Who cares about the records if the game is better to watch and games are more important?? Bruh records as a reason is stupid
The NBA as an organization doesn't care or make decisions based on all time players stats 😭
Stephen A. KILLED this take 🙌🏻
Keep regular season at 82 games. Shorten the pre-season to 3 games.
Bruh shortening the regular season will make no difference at all literally, instead of playing 60 out or 82 games now those players are gonna miss 45 out of 60 something game , like people are gonna rest when needed no matter what, especially when been told by their team too
Cj and Pat bev different lol… both smart and entertaining.
- Add 2 Expansion Teams (Seattle & Las Vegas)
- 32 teams
- 62 games
- plays each team 3 times a year
- spreads out the season more & fans can watch more games than having to see 7+ games a night
I almost agree with everything but I would say 72 instead of 62 so you can play the teams in your division 4 times and not 3
Look what jj said about players that has guaranteed contracts alot of players chillin still getting paid
JJ is awesome as an analyst 💯
Duke Law School, not Texas High School!
Products and games matter more when shorten season.. less injuries better product.
Shortening the season is blasphemy
ESPN always cutting videos short 🤦🏽♂️
It still needs to be 82 games, teams don't have to be GSW copies and jack up 3s all the time. Build your own identity according to the type of roster that you have.
Excellent points JJ
JJ I respect the fact you are consistent with your stance; good point with the amount of possessions. With all that being said, don’t shorten the season. If you can’t handle the demand, find other employment…. Not going to get much public sympathy or support for playing basketball at the highest level making, living your dream & earning tens of millions of dollars a year. Put your big boy pants on and show up to work like the rest of us
Love JJ Riddick. He needs his own show, I would tune in everyday
He has a podcast
His podcast is very good
For all of you against shorten season. What makes 82 games end all be all? When was it ever stated that 82 games what the perfect amount of games to determine best teams in each conference? I'd like to hear your argument, pls reference anything other than thats how they did it back in the day
72 games would be great!!!
I would say shorten if to 72 games or keep it 82 59 games is way too short and let players have rest days
To me a shorter amount of games = More exciting match ups, less time wasted on irrelevant ones.
I say you should be able to change line ups like in hockey so they can get a rest in after a high octane back and forth
They could extend the season a month and and use that month to give team bye weeks or if not that give teams more time in between games to keep the players rested and less likely to get injured
Bench and rookie players will get less pay and development with fewer games. This is only good for the top players. Guys will get injured and miss games still regardless. I'd say 72 games, not 62
72
its the style of play that's killing them. before there were a LOT of post ups, now even bigs are doing cross overs and everyone has a free lane to the paint so there fore this fast paced run and gun play style is making them get injured not the amount of games.
Jj has a point here. Nba before was mostly giving the ball to the post but now alot of motion plays cuts dribbling threes
Pros
- Less games means every game carries more weight
- Players get more rest and less wear and tear
Cons
- players will likely get a paycut to offset some revenue losses
- players will have a much harder time rising up all time stat lists
Yes but I'd say if the regular season is instead 65 games and you add a midseason tournament in a mini playoff format single elimination for seeding changes plus the play end at the end of the szn it could bring some really fun, chaotic basketball
Lol the players won't take less money, and neither will the owners. Fans will be forced to pay for this.
Don't forget HIGHER TICKET PRICES
Another pro that is vastly underrated: they would not have to compete with the NFL in October and November for ratings if they plan the schedule right.
They literally have to line up double-team analysts for Stephen A just to make things interesting. He's the 🐐
Uhh Stephen a has been getting BODIED as of late on espn
SAS didn’t go far enough on his one point. While it is the sins of the few, in basketball, the few is what fills the stadiums. Arenas don’t fill up for JJ or CJ. They fill up for Kyrie, Kawhi, and used to for Ben lol. So while JJ is right that 99% of players are truly professional, it’s the 1-2% too guys who move the needle.
He loses all the time, he's just loud so it makes him seem like he's winning.
Counterpoint : basketball in the 60s was in the 120+ possession per game area
If they are going to shorten the season. It shouldn’t be at 58 games. That’s not enough. 65-72 games would be the lowest it should be
72 perfect
On JJ's comment about making up lost revenue: they're gonna increase ticket prices. The consumer, regular people, always pay for these kind of changes that benefit the elites.
molly n cj staring at eachother😂😭
then don't have a fast pace system in place
JJ is very intelligent and well spoken
I'm all for a shortened season
Appreciate jj using that pacers team as his example
No need for a permanent change just a short season or skip a season to get back to the old schedule. Covid made seasons to close together
Lesser games should also mean lesser paycheck for players. Lets see if these players agree with that...
Less games means, tickets prices sky rocket, less opportunities for fans to go see a game, bad start, teams will tank earlier.
I don't care about the regular season, the playoffs are what I'm always excited for. For me the only issue is if a player gets injured in the regular season, there then might be less time for them to recover for the playoffs, but I just want playoff basketball asap, can't get enough of it
So why not just have the playoffs and get rid of the NBA season.
@@Ghostkilla773 Cus then the consumer wouldn't have as many opportunities to see teams jack up 50+ 3's a night
Unless they can figure a way to further spread out the games (maybe even the actual NBA calendar go longer), they just had to bite the bullet on load management. CJ said yesterday that those games aren't decided that week but at the start of the season
but the back-to-back-to-back aren't there anymore, its like 10-15 backs in the regular season
The next lockout is going to be the big one. Mark my words, owners are going to show how "empowered" these athletes really are.
I can't wait
They need to get rid of guaranteed contracts
Sounds like you're regurgitating Stephen A's talking points
Where are you now buddy? The players got everything they wanted again 😂. The players will always hold the EDGE because you have no product without them!
Jj with the possessions take even had Steven a in agreement
Shorten the season by 10-15 games to make the regular season matter more. High level basketball > Ownership pocketbooks
Consider shortening the load management, ticket prices, guaranteed contracts
Idk it seems like the players really just want more (me time)
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Dude, JJ stays prepared lol he’s a monster
I love the idea of the in-season tournament. That's the only legit reason I can see to shorten the season, because at the end of the day when you factor in tournament games, players would still basically end up playing the same amount of games, and the league would make the same amount of money. Then as a bonus for everyone, there would be two major trophies to chase each year. If a team could win the tournament and the NBA championship, it would be that much sweeter.