The point Bev made about having a shorter season also means less time to rehab and inj prior to playoffs is spot on. Imagine getting a meniscus injury that'll take 6 weeks to rehab but the season is ending soon... Vs those extra 2-3 weeks you would had with 82 games
Just take a look at last year, if the Lakers had 10 more games which is 20-25 more days to rest and get LeBron and AD healthy, Harden had a chance to rest that hamstring, the playoffs might’ve turned out different.
What about less amount of games but the same length in schedule. More days to rest between games? Cut the conference games down to 3 per team so you can’t go 2-2 against a team during the regular season and make the games for the other conference 1 game instead of 2. The only way you play those teams from the other conference is in the finals anyway so why emphasize those games at all? Those two games for the number 1 seed against the last team in the other conference are basically throwaway games. People can get injured in those for no reason. This would cut the season shorter and give consistent teams and players the upper hand when it comes to make it to the playoffs
Finally a player not afraid to speak facts, McCollum was weird the other day on the show deflecting because he's on the board. I agree with bev if it was fine since the 60s why change it now.
@Jason are you saying Kyrie hasn't missed majority of the games he's missed for injuries ? Don't let the media brain wash your gullible brain into thinking Kyrie has been missing games for personal reasons his whole career. He's done it once or twice his whole 11 year career. Players take off for personal reasons every year. They have personal lives. So again don't let your gullible brain feed into this media narrative. Think for yourself. I'm sure you're capable of doing so.
@Jason you can't hold Kyrie not getting a vaccine against him if it's not required by the nba to get it and he's not the only player not vaccinated. Again learn to think for yourself. Use common sense. Kyrie could have played for majority of the league unvaccinated. So it was never fair to him that he could not play.
I agree with Pat Bev. You don’t need to change anything. Just show more young teams on TV like the Wolves and Pelicans. I don’t really want to see an in season tournament because it seems kind of pointless. The playin tournament is good enough
There's only 2 players on the pelicans. One of them eventually's gonna leave then what Lot of these teams are really not as good as the NBA Is making them to be.
@@johnnymason2460 yea the play in kinda sucks, especially for the 7th seeded team. An in-season tournament would be cool, but what benefit would it have?
@@MrE_ but that would screw up the current system of narrative based commentary and provide a more definitive explanation to why someone wins the mvp but the league isn’t ready for that
The real problem is prime time scheduling. They need flex scheduling to change games when players are injured. Pelicans without Zion. Clippers without Kawhi and PG13. Denver missing MPJ and Murray. Portland without Dame. Not to mention players resting. Too many games on primetime were missing the marquee talent. They should be able to change the schedule and feature up and coming teams like Memphis or T-Wolves to fill in the schedule.
I mean the lakers stank and they still had a whole bunch of national tv games mid season while some actual 1-8 seed team only had single digits national TV games from the beginning of season
@@S1lvermoon yeah but Lakers and LeBron are box office. Half the people love to see the Lakers win, and the others love to see them get stomped lol. So they will always have a place in primetime.
Nothing wrong with 82 games. Pat Bev made good points. better scheduling would solve most of the issues; take a page from baseball and have more of the regular season games be apart of series rather than one-off’s and back to backs against different teams in different cities
I understand the decision of 82 games if based on monetary reasons but I personally don’t like it . It’s way to many games , some of them become boring because not much is at stake by winning or loosing a game , unlike the nfl that only has 17 and every game is played hard because its important.
I agree and what's wrong with playing back-to-back games. You're young you're going at best sometimes sometimes maybe 60 miles to the next city. You're not traveling on the greyhound.
I agree with Pat Bev's last point that I don't think enough people in this comment section are considering. Better Training Staff! Why does it seem like every year, a number of players have injury setbacks and require more time to return to the court? Then players get a 2nd or 3rd opinion from their own doctors. What's wrong with the training staff that players are doing this? 🤔 Definitely something to look into.
I don’t think the training staff is the problem the NBA has some of the world’s best working with these players. It’s just that professional athletes who work out literally every day are just gonna get injured that’s just how it is but I do think that the amount of injuries this season is concerning
@@1990758 too much of a coincidence that so many players in this league are "not rehabbing right". This season alone, Lonzo Ball, Kawhi Leonard, Zion Williamson, Kendrick Nunn, James Wiseman, Klay Thompson John Wall and Kris Middleton all faced injury setbacks that have either delayed their returns or completely kept them off the court. That's way too many players across way too many franchises/teams. Definitely not just the players......
@@justsomeguywithoutaprofile777 exactly! The number of injuries is quite concerning, along with their injury setbacks that require a second or third surgery to recovery from. Definitely a problem to look into.
@@jackross956 Because at the end of the day they're probably thinking I'm gonna rehab the way I want to this is a bunch of BS. The doctor said you're clear to play they don't feel that they are clear to play. You see with Scottie Pippin did He didn't want to ruin his summer so he did not have surgery doing the off season
Jj Reddick said it best. The way the game is played. Way more fast paced is why injuries are higher. When you just shoot 3s, get out on the break, shoo early in the shot clock, more possessions both ways... the wear and tear goes up... throwing it down to Shaq in the post 15 to 20 times while everyone stands around makes a huge difference for that team because they're not killing themselves on those possessions.
I agree with Pat, no needs to be changed and other teams needs to get more attention. Like Memphis, Celtics etc Those Western ganes are too late for us, who live on the East coast Molly has become marvelous on her intake
There is nothing to change about the 82 game schedule. We didn't see any of these problems 30, 20, or even 10 years ago. This whole thing started with the San Antonio Spurs sitting out their top 4 players on a nationally televised game against Miami in 2012. Ever since then we've had this "load management" and people that don't play because they don't feel like it or the team says it's a rest stop. Another thing the team owners are going to bring up: pay for play contracts and are no longer guaranteed. People like Irving, Simmons, Leonard and others are to blame for this.
Somebody with a memory better than a goldfish, thank god. Pop and the media are the biggest to blame for this stuff. Players are extremely susceptible to listening to the media, even though they pretend they aren't. Even in this clip, you see SAS say something like "playing in Feb against Orlando", which is the issue entirely. Games have been devalued in people's minds, largely pushed by the media. The regular season wasn't talked about this way in the past. Jordan, Malone, Shaq, etc. brought it every night; it didn't matter if they were playing in Madison Square Garden or against the Clippers. There used to be pride in not only playing well, but playing period.
Changing games would mess with records, plus injuries are part of the game. Just like shootouts are part of being a cop. Fires are part of being a firefighters. Wars are part of being a soldier. Being wrong is part of SAS DNA.
They need to limit traveling not the amount of games. They should more in conference back to back games. For example a team like the Dallas Mavericks has to travel to Sacramento twice a season. Dallas should be able to play Sacramento back to back nights to limit traveling. They should do this for every team in the same conference.
The point Stephen A said about personality is 100% RIGHT. Think about all the technical fouls players now get JUST FOR STARING AT A PLAYER THEY DUNKED ON or crossed over!!!! That's actually what's really hurting the ENTERTAINMENT factor. NO VIOLENCE for sure but we loved the trash talk...we loved Kemp pointing fingers at the dude he just posterized...we loved MJ walking over to Ewing after dunking on him. ALL THAT IS GONE!!!!! It was such a subtle change but it actually made the game so much less entertaining! EDIT: If you really think about it, it's why the RUclips Hooper community has blown up! You get to watch two dope players go at it AND talk crazy the whole way!!!
I think one of the problems is they took out divisions & made it the best 8 teams in conference instead of division winners, because the division winners sometimes weren't the best team they just had the best record in that division. So now, you only have to be "good enough" in the regular season to make the play in & anything can happen in the playoffs like my Suns losing to the Mavs smh.
Shortening the 82-game season would have a bad impact on the records. And it would also mean less time played for benchwarmers and 2nd/3rd-string guys. more games is more fun.. more experiments.. more time for roleplayers to make an impact.. more time for benchwarmers to make a highlight..
That's true. I'd like to keep the records as they are. Though, the records are already skewed due to rule changes and modernization, we just ignore that usually
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The problem is that these teams have “scheduled rest days” for these players so now let’s say a player has a legitimate injury and they miss 10-15 games now they miss another 10-15 games based on rest so nowadays they’re missing double the games they’re supposed to
@@corralgrimes no their can literally really just get injured 😂 their can easily twist their ankle even if their getting rest days and still get injured
@@jamaloliver6940 but a lot of it’s getting rushed back. Most injuries are from accumulated strain and fatigue, which leads to less body control, so you’re open to a freak accident. I’m not against ramping players up and easing them into the lineup. It would suck if you forced your best player come back earlier and he gets hurt right before the playoffs
Tbh rest days are mostly for injury prone players or players with a lot of injury history, look at Demar Derozan he missed 6 games this season and played 76 games, the problem is these players are on the wrong diets most likely and they also don't have the correct help cuz as far as i know Demar got his routines from Kobe
The extra time to recover from injury is a good point. The season is fine as it is tho, the NBA just has to figure out how to incentivize regular season games other than HCA in the playoffs.
I think there needs to be a tournament after the first 25 games during the holidays to build more excitement. Then change up the allstar weekend a bit after 50 games then the last stretch is always great then the in game tourny for the last 2 playoff spots.
Finally, he is saying something that makes sense. Why change something that isn't broken? 82 games is fine. Besides, the owners won't agree to less games when it could affect their money!
What does less games have to do with injuries??? U can tear your acl, Achilles, sprain your ankle in practice or even the first game of the season. Keep the 82 game format and may the best/healthiest team be there at the end of the season!!!
I think they need to eliminate back to backs and stretch a little the regular season, so that injuries are a lesser problem. The level of intensity nowadays is absolutely incomparable to what it was 20 or even 10 years ago. That could or could not mean a shorter season. One thing that comes to my mind is a 77 games long season with one more team in each conference, so that every team plays 2 games against the other conference and 3 against the same conference teams.
I like swishouts idea, same length of time. 62 games, play everyone 2x and your divisional opponents 1x extra. Allows players to rest just as long since season is over the same course of time. Less likely to be injured aswell since less games per week. More exciting season since games have more meaning and teams can't coast as much. And it also give more mearning and an actual reason to have divisions. Also its a good time to change aswell since we've comming to end of the last generation with players like lebron, curry, Kd, russ, harden etc coming into the twilight of their career and the new gen coming through like luka, book, giannis, young, ball, morant etc. In conclusion, less injuries, more excitement, and more meaning in the games. Also the perfect time to change if we were to aswell.
I like the 82 game season as well, because if you make it shorter then it messes with records and things of that nature. But I do agree that they need to make more meaningful games with monetary incentives for the players. There can be like a Road Trip Tournament for West vs East teams and maybe Division tournaments within each Conference
I don’t like the idea of a shortened season. It will water down the regular season stats and it will affect career points, assists, rebounds and etc. negatively. It will make the current place holders spots virtually secured unless players stay in the league for 20 plus years. Shortened seasons probably won’t allow that to happen.
*75-80 game regular season *14, 15 seeds - Play-in game (toilet bowl) *1, 2 seeds get a buy first round (makes being the best meaningful; rest) *Best out of 5 first round (first to 3 wins), high seed gets first two home games and game 5 at home: 3 vs winner of 14/15 play-in 4 vs 13 5, 12 6, 11 7, 10 8, 9 *Best of 7 second round, 1 plays lowest seed, etc so could be: 1 vs 8 2 vs 7 3, 6 4, 5
Just have match-up series throughout the season that counts towards playoff play-in. Point system. This will encourage teams to actually play early season game.
It's the footwear that is causing the injuries. About 15 years ago they decided to make shoes immensely lighter than they used to. And about 15 years ago was the uptick in injuries. They don't have the support they once had.
they should shorten the szn and make a knockout competition trophy during the season that ends at least before the all star break. 10 groups of 3 random teams. top 16 teams in wins and points differential go to r16 then straight knockout ball
Nothing needs to change. If you do change to less games. The future championships don't compare with the past because the grind that the players now and the past had to go through. With the case of injuries, there load management already.
I don’t usually give props to Stephen A but I do have to give him credit for pointing out it’s the organizations as well that are suggesting load management
Agree with Pat Bev & would like to see more regular season televised games. West Coast teams are typically only televised on local area programming & vice versa.
You know what .. I wasn't a fan of Pat Bev over how he spoke on CP3 but when he leaves his personal feelings out of takes, I like hearing his POV on many things, love our current stars appearing more and more. I want takes from people on the floor not an analyst that's never stepped foot on an nba court - yes stephen a smith I'm talking about you.
It would honestly make it hard to compare eras if we reduced the season. Season and career records would have asterisks. I like the idea of having an in-season tourney though, it would need to be like the FA cup with it becoming single elimination after a while. The reward should be like a guaranteed playoff spot or increasing your record by +10 wins when determining seeding for the playoffs. Also screw the lottery, let's have a draft tournament at the end of the season to determine pick seeding. Give players an extra $250k each if they win the tournament or something. Would incentivize teams to not tank, plus would reward the best of the worst.
Keep 82 games, make the play in 9th an 8th, 7th should be guaranteed and have flexi games so if a star is sitting or Injured you can take them off prime time
to make the regular season exciting, you'll need to do away with the EAST/WEST playoffs and just have an open field. the top 16 teams get in no matter the conference. then the regular season would get interesting because you don't get in by being a .500 team
I think mixing up east and west games will make it more exciting.. instead of only playing twice mix it up some more.. like depending on rankings the season Before but idk
So playing list games according to Molly it's gonna stop somebody from pulling your f****** hamstring or tearing an acl in the 1st game or week of the season
Yea he's right, the shorter season is just for the viewers, but the players love to play and like he said, they need alot of time in some cases to rehab, but they also want to chase greats in statistics, they'll never get that chance.
Nothing needs to be changed but here are a few ideas. #1- Expansion This needs to happen, we have gone too long without a new team. There has never been a break this long in nba history without an expansion team, I guarantee there is enough talent in the league and outside of the league to make up to 6 new and exciting teams over the next 10 years. Now it doesn’t need to be that intense but I’m saying that it can be done to that scale at maximum. #2- Quarter seasons This ones a bit wacky, split the season up into four 20 game periods. In each of those 20 games we announce the top 2 teams from each conference to join the playoffs. Overall records are still recorded to figure out the standings, if a team that has already qualified for the playoffs is in the top 2 then it is passed on to the team with the next highest record until there is a non playoff team that can qualify. This creates interest in all parts of the season and can prevent tanking as it can motivate teams especially at the end of the season. #3 32-team playoffs Firstly, we need two new teams. Then we have all teams play in the playoffs in best of 5 series. On average they would play less games even with an extra round, fans would get to watch more games also. This does devalue the regular season though where they are only competing for seeds in the playoffs rather than a spot. But it does give a college basketball vibe. #4 A minor league This probably works best for down the road once we bring in six new teams. 24 teams stay in the major league whilst 12 teams get demoted. 16 teams make the playoffs in the majors, four teams remain in the majors and four teams are demoted. In the minor league four teams are promoted and the remaining eight stay in the minor league. I guess you could also do 18 and 18 but this sort of makes it seem worse to be in the minor league if only a third of the teams are in it. On the other hand 82 games makes it a long time in the minor leagues.
Stephen A’s point about letting players be themselves needs to be vocalized more. Seeing all these technical fouls being given out and players getting ejected for showing emotion and spicing up games with trash talk is infuriating to watch as a fan
I agree and disagree. While I agree that players should be allowed to express their emotions and frustrations, some of them can cross the line into verbal abuse. If that line is crossed, then they deserve technical fouls.
They could do 70-75 games and the top 6 teams locked will get the rest and recovery time. The rest of the league will play the remainder of the 82 game season. Not saying they should but it would be interesting
There's pretty simple and IMO the most meaningful argument for why the NBA should shorten its season, and that is because it would make regular season games matter more. And they don't matter enough. you can see and feel it when you're watching one, there's only a hand full of games that kinda stick out from each reg. season, and most of other games are just a 1/82 of your record at the end of it, and that how they are approached. There's a reason why those few playoff games create more buzz around the league than the 1230 regular season games.
Maybe extend the preseason and force players to take the season seriously from the get go. It’s already a lackadaisical vibe when the season kicks off, so that’s where the problem starts. Don’t shorten the season because of injuries, put more teams on tv because there’s definitely some star power out there. There’s more than o few ways to address this..
They should have certain seeds play eachother thru the season. Or the same seed from each conference play eachother to see who’s better. Like 3 times out of the season.
I don't even watch regular season now, with exception to those around Christmas. Games has no urgency. I agree they should shorten season to gave more meaningful and get more competitive games.
1 season is 3936 minutes take away 10 games\480 minutes add 6 minutes to every game, 2nd and 4th quarter can be 15 minutes this way, there is less games, more days of rest and 3888 minutes in a season so its still basically the same season, stats wont be affected too much
If we start shortening the season, then the future generation of superstars is gonna be discredited because they’re being compared to other players that “had tougher seasons”. I just don’t think they should lower the number of games. Just find a way to make it more interesting on a match-by-match basis.
A big part of the lack of interest in the sport is players teaming up with one another limiting the amount of competition in the league to a few teams. Half the top 15-20 players in the league play on the same team. If they all were on different teams fan bases would be more involved. Part of this is on the the players and the other part is on the media creating these fantasy rosters for big market teams in which ownership & players try to bring to fruition. A lot of this is media fanboys trying to preserve their favorite players legacies, & the other part is players trying to fast track their careers to greatness. Just my opinion 🤷🏿♂️
@@youngdee6421 namely any team LeBron is on, but teams even without LeBron, the media creates scenarios for LA, BKLN, PHI, MIA, LAC, and the NYK. Every offseason or trade deadline they start playing fantasy GM trying to pair players with one another using teams in these markets. Again, players and GMs hear this and are mimicking these scenarios. This makes the game unwatchable for me.
The point Bev made about having a shorter season also means less time to rehab and inj prior to playoffs is spot on. Imagine getting a meniscus injury that'll take 6 weeks to rehab but the season is ending soon... Vs those extra 2-3 weeks you would had with 82 games
it basically means, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it
Just take a look at last year, if the Lakers had 10 more games which is 20-25 more days to rest and get LeBron and AD healthy, Harden had a chance to rest that hamstring, the playoffs might’ve turned out different.
Extra games causes more injuries
They should just stretch the 82 games over a longer period. Let the playoffs start a month later.
What about less amount of games but the same length in schedule. More days to rest between games? Cut the conference games down to 3 per team so you can’t go 2-2 against a team during the regular season and make the games for the other conference 1 game instead of 2. The only way you play those teams from the other conference is in the finals anyway so why emphasize those games at all? Those two games for the number 1 seed against the last team in the other conference are basically throwaway games. People can get injured in those for no reason. This would cut the season shorter and give consistent teams and players the upper hand when it comes to make it to the playoffs
Finally a player not afraid to speak facts, McCollum was weird the other day on the show deflecting because he's on the board. I agree with bev if it was fine since the 60s why change it now.
Because he’s president of the players association, he has to respond that way.
@@mmcallear1597 cj aint that
@@mmcallear1597 Chris Paul is the president
@@vulcanraven9701 well of course cp3 is president. Oh my bad lol cj is Vice President
Exactly and look how they used to travel in the sixties.
Pat Bev is speaking facts Tho instead of Kyrie and Kawhi playing 40 - 50 games a year they gonna play 20 - 30 now
@Jason Kawhi was winning Finals MVPs than Kyrie tho
@Jason kawhi was still load managing before his injury tho
@Jason are you saying Kyrie hasn't missed majority of the games he's missed for injuries ? Don't let the media brain wash your gullible brain into thinking Kyrie has been missing games for personal reasons his whole career. He's done it once or twice his whole 11 year career. Players take off for personal reasons every year. They have personal lives. So again don't let your gullible brain feed into this media narrative. Think for yourself. I'm sure you're capable of doing so.
@Jason you can't hold Kyrie not getting a vaccine against him if it's not required by the nba to get it and he's not the only player not vaccinated. Again learn to think for yourself. Use common sense. Kyrie could have played for majority of the league unvaccinated. So it was never fair to him that he could not play.
@Jason bro kyire been hurt all his career bro only played like 3 games at duke because of his injuries
I agree with Pat Bev. You don’t need to change anything. Just show more young teams on TV like the Wolves and Pelicans. I don’t really want to see an in season tournament because it seems kind of pointless. The playin tournament is good enough
An in-season tournament is a bad idea. The play-in tournament is barely working. Why screw things up even worse?
There's only 2 players on the pelicans. One of them eventually's gonna leave then what Lot of these teams are really not as good as the NBA Is making them to be.
@@johnnymason2460 yea the play in kinda sucks, especially for the 7th seeded team. An in-season tournament would be cool, but what benefit would it have?
@@MrE_ they should have the in season tournament determine the mvp
@@MrE_ but that would screw up the current system of narrative based commentary and provide a more definitive explanation to why someone wins the mvp but the league isn’t ready for that
The real problem is prime time scheduling. They need flex scheduling to change games when players are injured. Pelicans without Zion. Clippers without Kawhi and PG13. Denver missing MPJ and Murray. Portland without Dame. Not to mention players resting. Too many games on primetime were missing the marquee talent. They should be able to change the schedule and feature up and coming teams like Memphis or T-Wolves to fill in the schedule.
Agreed. I remember when people could choose which team could be on nba tv a day before I think. That would solve a lot.
@@Multiswagbeast yeah that's a good idea. It seems like a lot more games were missing marquee talent last year. Or is it just me?
I mean the lakers stank and they still had a whole bunch of national tv games mid season while some actual 1-8 seed team only had single digits national TV games from the beginning of season
@@S1lvermoon yeah but Lakers and LeBron are box office. Half the people love to see the Lakers win, and the others love to see them get stomped lol. So they will always have a place in primetime.
@@S1lvermoon but I see what you're saying because there were games when both LeBron and AD were missing. So yes, games like that could be flexed out.
Nothing wrong with 82 games. Pat Bev made good points. better scheduling would solve most of the issues; take a page from baseball and have more of the regular season games be apart of series rather than one-off’s and back to backs against different teams in different cities
Yep why not makes to much sense
i dont watch baseball but yea a 3 game series sounds pretty exciting in the regular season especially against teams that match up well.
I understand the decision of 82 games if based on monetary reasons but I personally don’t like it . It’s way to many games , some of them become boring because not much is at stake by winning or loosing a game , unlike the nfl that only has 17 and every game is played hard because its important.
Pat bev dropped some subtle jewels in this video. Wow. He really trying to wake NBA fans up 👍🏿 good job King
I like pat 😂 straight to the point and he’s stands on what he says
I agree and what's wrong with playing back-to-back games. You're young you're going at best sometimes sometimes maybe 60 miles to the next city. You're not traveling on the greyhound.
I agree with Pat Bev's last point that I don't think enough people in this comment section are considering. Better Training Staff! Why does it seem like every year, a number of players have injury setbacks and require more time to return to the court? Then players get a 2nd or 3rd opinion from their own doctors. What's wrong with the training staff that players are doing this? 🤔 Definitely something to look into.
I don’t think the training staff is the problem the NBA has some of the world’s best working with these players. It’s just that professional athletes who work out literally every day are just gonna get injured that’s just how it is but I do think that the amount of injuries this season is concerning
It's not the training staff it's the person's body maybe they are not rehabbing right.
@@1990758 too much of a coincidence that so many players in this league are "not rehabbing right". This season alone, Lonzo Ball, Kawhi Leonard, Zion Williamson, Kendrick Nunn, James Wiseman, Klay Thompson John Wall and Kris Middleton all faced injury setbacks that have either delayed their returns or completely kept them off the court. That's way too many players across way too many franchises/teams. Definitely not just the players......
@@justsomeguywithoutaprofile777 exactly! The number of injuries is quite concerning, along with their injury setbacks that require a second or third surgery to recovery from. Definitely a problem to look into.
@@jackross956 Because at the end of the day they're probably thinking I'm gonna rehab the way I want to this is a bunch of BS. The doctor said you're clear to play they don't feel that they are clear to play. You see with Scottie Pippin did He didn't want to ruin his summer so he did not have surgery doing the off season
Pat Bev got his spectacles on for this segment, like he Clark Kent. 🤣
Jj Reddick said it best. The way the game is played. Way more fast paced is why injuries are higher. When you just shoot 3s, get out on the break, shoo early in the shot clock, more possessions both ways... the wear and tear goes up... throwing it down to Shaq in the post 15 to 20 times while everyone stands around makes a huge difference for that team because they're not killing themselves on those possessions.
I agree with Pat, no needs to be changed and other teams needs to get more attention.
Like Memphis, Celtics etc
Those Western ganes are too late for us, who live on the East coast
Molly has become marvelous on her intake
There is nothing to change about the 82 game schedule. We didn't see any of these problems 30, 20, or even 10 years ago. This whole thing started with the San Antonio Spurs sitting out their top 4 players on a nationally televised game against Miami in 2012. Ever since then we've had this "load management" and people that don't play because they don't feel like it or the team says it's a rest stop. Another thing the team owners are going to bring up: pay for play contracts and are no longer guaranteed. People like Irving, Simmons, Leonard and others are to blame for this.
Somebody with a memory better than a goldfish, thank god. Pop and the media are the biggest to blame for this stuff. Players are extremely susceptible to listening to the media, even though they pretend they aren't.
Even in this clip, you see SAS say something like "playing in Feb against Orlando", which is the issue entirely.
Games have been devalued in people's minds, largely pushed by the media. The regular season wasn't talked about this way in the past. Jordan, Malone, Shaq, etc. brought it every night; it didn't matter if they were playing in Madison Square Garden or against the Clippers. There used to be pride in not only playing well, but playing period.
Spot on!! Facts
Crazy how I rememeber this one Sportscenter the day after
@@Milosenpotion thanks 😁
didnt pop due it cause duncan ginoboli and parker was old and injury prone at that point and kawhi was injured during that time
NBA is fantastic! Ridiculously entertaining, still. Keep going... Please & thank you.
Changing games would mess with records, plus injuries are part of the game. Just like shootouts are part of being a cop. Fires are part of being a firefighters. Wars are part of being a soldier. Being wrong is part of SAS DNA.
Nice 😂
My biggest problem with shortening the season. You'd have to start a new chapter for the record books.
@@manz7860
That's the main reason for me too, if any games change then every new record would have an asterisk
Just hire Pat Bev already!
He is
He’s overrated outside of hot takes
WHY?! He's TERRIBLE!
They need to limit traveling not the amount of games. They should more in conference back to back games. For example a team like the Dallas Mavericks has to travel to Sacramento twice a season. Dallas should be able to play Sacramento back to back nights to limit traveling. They should do this for every team in the same conference.
The point Stephen A said about personality is 100% RIGHT. Think about all the technical fouls players now get JUST FOR STARING AT A PLAYER THEY DUNKED ON or crossed over!!!! That's actually what's really hurting the ENTERTAINMENT factor.
NO VIOLENCE for sure but we loved the trash talk...we loved Kemp pointing fingers at the dude he just posterized...we loved MJ walking over to Ewing after dunking on him. ALL THAT IS GONE!!!!! It was such a subtle change but it actually made the game so much less entertaining!
EDIT: If you really think about it, it's why the RUclips Hooper community has blown up! You get to watch two dope players go at it AND talk crazy the whole way!!!
Pat Bev Look Like He A Teacher From O’ Block 🤣
I think one of the problems is they took out divisions & made it the best 8 teams in conference instead of division winners, because the division winners sometimes weren't the best team they just had the best record in that division. So now, you only have to be "good enough" in the regular season to make the play in & anything can happen in the playoffs like my Suns losing to the Mavs smh.
If you win your Division you automatically get home court in the opening round as a top 4 seed. After the division winner it’s by record
Not a huge SAS fan but he’s doing pretty well today with his takes
Shortening the 82-game season would have a bad impact on the records.
And it would also mean less time played for benchwarmers and 2nd/3rd-string guys.
more games is more fun.. more experiments.. more time for roleplayers to make an impact.. more time for benchwarmers to make a highlight..
thats what i was thinking, future players are gonna have a hard time breaking records coz of less games
That's true. I'd like to keep the records as they are. Though, the records are already skewed due to rule changes and modernization, we just ignore that usually
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The problem is that these teams have “scheduled rest days” for these players so now let’s say a player has a legitimate injury and they miss 10-15 games now they miss another 10-15 games based on rest so nowadays they’re missing double the games they’re supposed to
the point of rest days is to prevent injuries. if a player is getting rest days and still getting hurt then something is wrong
@@corralgrimes no their can literally really just get injured 😂 their can easily twist their ankle even if their getting rest days and still get injured
@@jamaloliver6940 but a lot of it’s getting rushed back. Most injuries are from accumulated strain and fatigue, which leads to less body control, so you’re open to a freak accident.
I’m not against ramping players up and easing them into the lineup.
It would suck if you forced your best player come back earlier and he gets hurt right before the playoffs
I doubt those "rest days" still get used the same way if a player in inured
Tbh rest days are mostly for injury prone players or players with a lot of injury history, look at Demar Derozan he missed 6 games this season and played 76 games, the problem is these players are on the wrong diets most likely and they also don't have the correct help cuz as far as i know Demar got his routines from Kobe
Can we talk about how good Patrick is ay talking and describing the game
Pat Bev got a point
The NBA should bring back free regular season games on local network tv. Antenna tv 📺 for us poor folks 😆
The extra time to recover from injury is a good point. The season is fine as it is tho, the NBA just has to figure out how to incentivize regular season games other than HCA in the playoffs.
They're gonna bring that up in the next CBA.
I believe that NBA players should be required to play a number of games before they're eligible for postseasons awards and all NBA teams
That already is the case
They already are. Minimum games, I believe, are 56 games.
Pat Bev Frames 🔥
I think there needs to be a tournament after the first 25 games during the holidays to build more excitement. Then change up the allstar weekend a bit after 50 games then the last stretch is always great then the in game tourny for the last 2 playoff spots.
Finally, he is saying something that makes sense. Why change something that isn't broken? 82 games is fine. Besides, the owners won't agree to less games when it could affect their money!
I never realized those points. Those are great points by Pat Bev.
What does less games have to do with injuries??? U can tear your acl, Achilles, sprain your ankle in practice or even the first game of the season. Keep the 82 game format and may the best/healthiest team be there at the end of the season!!!
I like pat bev more and more as he speaks
I think they need to eliminate back to backs and stretch a little the regular season, so that injuries are a lesser problem.
The level of intensity nowadays is absolutely incomparable to what it was 20 or even 10 years ago.
That could or could not mean a shorter season.
One thing that comes to my mind is a 77 games long season with one more team in each conference, so that every team plays 2 games against the other conference and 3 against the same conference teams.
I like swishouts idea, same length of time. 62 games, play everyone 2x and your divisional opponents 1x extra.
Allows players to rest just as long since season is over the same course of time.
Less likely to be injured aswell since less games per week.
More exciting season since games have more meaning and teams can't coast as much. And it also give more mearning and an actual reason to have divisions.
Also its a good time to change aswell since we've comming to end of the last generation with players like lebron, curry, Kd, russ, harden etc coming into the twilight of their career and the new gen coming through like luka, book, giannis, young, ball, morant etc.
In conclusion, less injuries, more excitement, and more meaning in the games. Also the perfect time to change if we were to aswell.
82 games is 🔥🔥🔥🔥
41 in the crib/41 traveling
Records like 73-9, 72-10, 71-11, 70-12, 69-13 etc. 💯
I like the 82 game season as well, because if you make it shorter then it messes with records and things of that nature. But I do agree that they need to make more meaningful games with monetary incentives for the players. There can be like a Road Trip Tournament for West vs East teams and maybe Division tournaments within each Conference
Home field advantage for NBA Finals should be decided by All star game
@@vulcanraven9701 Wrong. It de-values the advantage of having the best record per conference and the entire NBA.
Bev 💯‼️‼️‼️🐐🙏🏿
Great discussion
I don’t like the idea of a shortened season. It will water down the regular season stats and it will affect career points, assists, rebounds and etc. negatively. It will make the current place holders spots virtually secured unless players stay in the league for 20 plus years. Shortened seasons probably won’t allow that to happen.
I agree there should be more teams televised nationally
*75-80 game regular season
*14, 15 seeds - Play-in game (toilet bowl)
*1, 2 seeds get a buy first round (makes being the best meaningful; rest)
*Best out of 5 first round (first to 3 wins), high seed gets first two home games and game 5 at home:
3 vs winner of 14/15 play-in
4 vs 13
5, 12
6, 11
7, 10
8, 9
*Best of 7 second round, 1 plays lowest seed, etc so could be:
1 vs 8
2 vs 7
3, 6
4, 5
Just have match-up series throughout the season that counts towards playoff play-in. Point system. This will encourage teams to actually play early season game.
Hes right
Who else is glad that Pat Bev is calling out how often the Lakers (and other teams like them) are constantly shown on TV?
It's the footwear that is causing the injuries. About 15 years ago they decided to make shoes immensely lighter than they used to. And about 15 years ago was the uptick in injuries. They don't have the support they once had.
Tell me about it, I just strained my Achilles in some kyries and took me 2 months to get back on the courts
Then go play with chuck taylors ya fool!
@@7strandsofrope well that shoes is designed for kyrie not for average consumer. You aint kyrie.
@@PhiyackYuh 🙈🙉🙊
they should shorten the szn and make a knockout competition trophy during the season that ends at least before the all star break. 10 groups of 3 random teams. top 16 teams in wins and points differential go to r16 then straight knockout ball
Don’t shorten it. They load manage now if you shorten it to 70 they are just gonna load manage that too.
Injuries in the playoffs add suspense, injuries in the regular season means I’m watching something else
Pat bev be a real good analyst 💯💯💯
Nothing needs to change. If you do change to less games. The future championships don't compare with the past because the grind that the players now and the past had to go through.
With the case of injuries, there load management already.
The more games there are the less valuable each game feels. That's one of the reasons why the nfl is far more popular than the nba.
Too bad NBA games don't pack the same size stadiums.
This was actually a good debate.
They need to have a real break between the end of the regular season and the start of the POs
I don’t usually give props to Stephen A but I do have to give him credit for pointing out it’s the organizations as well that are suggesting load management
Agree with Pat Bev & would like to see more regular season televised games. West Coast teams are typically only televised on local area programming & vice versa.
Why don't we cut back on commercials and extended tv timeouts for ads.
You know what .. I wasn't a fan of Pat Bev over how he spoke on CP3 but when he leaves his personal feelings out of takes, I like hearing his POV on many things, love our current stars appearing more and more. I want takes from people on the floor not an analyst that's never stepped foot on an nba court - yes stephen a smith I'm talking about you.
It would honestly make it hard to compare eras if we reduced the season. Season and career records would have asterisks.
I like the idea of having an in-season tourney though, it would need to be like the FA cup with it becoming single elimination after a while. The reward should be like a guaranteed playoff spot or increasing your record by +10 wins when determining seeding for the playoffs.
Also screw the lottery, let's have a draft tournament at the end of the season to determine pick seeding. Give players an extra $250k each if they win the tournament or something. Would incentivize teams to not tank, plus would reward the best of the worst.
For so many reasons, thank you Stephen A
The season need to start at the end of November and not October and find a better mesh between marketing teams and marketing superstars.
Molly with some good points
Keep 82 games, make the play in 9th an 8th, 7th should be guaranteed and have flexi games so if a star is sitting or Injured you can take them off prime time
to make the regular season exciting, you'll need to do away with the EAST/WEST playoffs and just have an open field. the top 16 teams get in no matter the conference. then the regular season would get interesting because you don't get in by being a .500 team
In South Africa we only get games three games A week.Make the games more visible to the public.
I think mixing up east and west games will make it more exciting.. instead of only playing twice mix it up some more.. like depending on rankings the season Before but idk
So playing list games according to Molly it's gonna stop somebody from pulling your f****** hamstring or tearing an acl in the 1st game or week of the season
Yea he's right, the shorter season is just for the viewers, but the players love to play and like he said, they need alot of time in some cases to rehab, but they also want to chase greats in statistics, they'll never get that chance.
Wow Molly with a good point
Pat Bev a real one.
Only the strong survive! Word to Allen Iverson 😂😂😂
I agree. We want to see other games beside the lakers and philly and knicks over and over and over again.
They barely show Knicks
Nothing needs to be changed but here are a few ideas.
#1- Expansion
This needs to happen, we have gone too long without a new team. There has never been a break this long in nba history without an expansion team, I guarantee there is enough talent in the league and outside of the league to make up to 6 new and exciting teams over the next 10 years. Now it doesn’t need to be that intense but I’m saying that it can be done to that scale at maximum.
#2- Quarter seasons
This ones a bit wacky, split the season up into four 20 game periods. In each of those 20 games we announce the top 2 teams from each conference to join the playoffs. Overall records are still recorded to figure out the standings, if a team that has already qualified for the playoffs is in the top 2 then it is passed on to the team with the next highest record until there is a non playoff team that can qualify. This creates interest in all parts of the season and can prevent tanking as it can motivate teams especially at the end of the season.
#3 32-team playoffs
Firstly, we need two new teams. Then we have all teams play in the playoffs in best of 5 series. On average they would play less games even with an extra round, fans would get to watch more games also. This does devalue the regular season though where they are only competing for seeds in the playoffs rather than a spot. But it does give a college basketball vibe.
#4 A minor league
This probably works best for down the road once we bring in six new teams. 24 teams stay in the major league whilst 12 teams get demoted. 16 teams make the playoffs in the majors, four teams remain in the majors and four teams are demoted. In the minor league four teams are promoted and the remaining eight stay in the minor league. I guess you could also do 18 and 18 but this sort of makes it seem worse to be in the minor league if only a third of the teams are in it. On the other hand 82 games makes it a long time in the minor leagues.
respect Pat Bev
The Orlando Magic is catching too many strays these days 😂😂
Yo fr lmao - *sighs in Nona*
Haven't since trading Dwight.
pat has some great solutions
Stephen A’s point about letting players be themselves needs to be vocalized more. Seeing all these technical fouls being given out and players getting ejected for showing emotion and spicing up games with trash talk is infuriating to watch as a fan
I agree and disagree. While I agree that players should be allowed to express their emotions and frustrations, some of them can cross the line into verbal abuse. If that line is crossed, then they deserve technical fouls.
They could do 70-75 games and the top 6 teams locked will get the rest and recovery time. The rest of the league will play the remainder of the 82 game season. Not saying they should but it would be interesting
There's pretty simple and IMO the most meaningful argument for why the NBA should shorten its season, and that is because it would make regular season games matter more. And they don't matter enough. you can see and feel it when you're watching one, there's only a hand full of games that kinda stick out from each reg. season, and most of other games are just a 1/82 of your record at the end of it, and that how they are approached. There's a reason why those few playoff games create more buzz around the league than the 1230 regular season games.
They all made great points... Can we give it up for Pat wearing a button up tho!
Maybe extend the preseason and force players to take the season seriously from the get go. It’s already a lackadaisical vibe when the season kicks off, so that’s where the problem starts. Don’t shorten the season because of injuries, put more teams on tv because there’s definitely some star power out there. There’s more than o few ways to address this..
They should have certain seeds play eachother thru the season. Or the same seed from each conference play eachother to see who’s better. Like 3 times out of the season.
I read somewhere that said THIS season only 5 players played all 82, 5!? Really 4 because Looney played 80 out of 82
Looney played all 82, he just didn’t start all 82
I wouldn't mind seeing more games throughout the day. You'd get to see the bench more.
I would want to see more of Ja, jokic, Giannis, Pelicans, t-wolves, Memphis. Exciting players and teams, less lakers, knicks, Portland, etc…
I don't even watch regular season now, with exception to those around Christmas. Games has no urgency. I agree they should shorten season to gave more meaningful and get more competitive games.
Nows my time to defend molly her injury take after Stephen A spoke on the personality was so facts don’t kill me 💯😂
Adding two teams would cut down on travel too. Say Seattle and Vegas.
Move okc and New Orleans to the Eastern Conference. Same amount of games.
Postseason needs to be included for the MVP discussion man
1 season is 3936 minutes
take away 10 games\480 minutes
add 6 minutes to every game, 2nd and 4th quarter can be 15 minutes
this way, there is less games, more days of rest and 3888 minutes in a season
so its still basically the same season, stats wont be affected too much
Maybe if snakes , divas , and ring chasers stop joining super teams, all 82 games might be more exciting.
Leave it the way it is!
There’s always someone calling and telling SAS something behind the scenes lol
Absolutely not
Make playoffs top 16 teams regardless of conference. Then, have the play in games be a mini four team tournament of the 8 and 9s of both conferences.
If starter players don't rest, how do you develop the bench? There is no playing time for them.
If we start shortening the season, then the future generation of superstars is gonna be discredited because they’re being compared to other players that “had tougher seasons”. I just don’t think they should lower the number of games. Just find a way to make it more interesting on a match-by-match basis.
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A big part of the lack of interest in the sport is players teaming up with one another limiting the amount of competition in the league to a few teams. Half the top 15-20 players in the league play on the same team. If they all were on different teams fan bases would be more involved. Part of this is on the the players and the other part is on the media creating these fantasy rosters for big market teams in which ownership & players try to bring to fruition. A lot of this is media fanboys trying to preserve their favorite players legacies, & the other part is players trying to fast track their careers to greatness. Just my opinion 🤷🏿♂️
what team are you talking about?
@@youngdee6421 namely any team LeBron is on, but teams even without LeBron, the media creates scenarios for LA, BKLN, PHI, MIA, LAC, and the NYK. Every offseason or trade deadline they start playing fantasy GM trying to pair players with one another using teams in these markets. Again, players and GMs hear this and are mimicking these scenarios. This makes the game unwatchable for me.