Stephen A. makes the case for Stephen Curry to be in the top 10 all-time list | First Take
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2024
- Stephen A. Smith and Jay Williams discuss whether Stephen Curry should be recognized as a top 10 NBA player of all-time.
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I'll always put Steph ahead of Durant.
Durant's biggest achievement was joining Steph's team to cover some holes after 2016 (which is the same year KD lost to Steph).
More rings, more MVPs and much greater impact to the game.
I hear you, the year KD lost 3-1 lead to Steph was the same year GS lost 3-1 lead to a healthy Cavs. The first ring GS got was against a lone Lebron without Kyrie and Love. If you take that into consideration.
Now look at Russell Westbrick, where is he without KD? The fact that KD carried that Thunder team to the final is amazing.
The core GS team is definitely very strong, but skill level its hard to say Steph is better than KD even though he's the best shooter. You live and die with the 3s and it's pretty bad to see Steph's off nights..
Do you not take the finals mvp in account. KD join the team and became there best player instantly. Kd had to deal with Westbrook for more than half his career and look how far he got them. The biggest mistake for the thunders was to let James go instead of Westbrook. If they let Westbrook go, then James would have to play his natural position of point guard. James is a better natural passer than Westbrook.Unlike Westbrook, James don’t force passes and get turnovers. James does try to force fouls but who can blame him.
@@kingkillerj123 spot on man! My exact thoughts on this. Thanks for sharing!
Seems obvious to me.
@@kingkillerj123 Steph took a backseat to kd because he is unselfish. But look at the warriors when curry plays and kd doesn't. And look at it when kd plays and curry doesn't. Let's not forget KD still has yet to win without curry. Don't forget curry beat kd in the playoffs
Stephen A! In all this discussion, you forget to mention Curry’s went 73-9.. and unanimously won Mvp. It’s like we treat it like it never happened. They lost in the finals. But give my boy Stephen Curry credit for what he did in 2016 as well! Best record of all time. And he lost to the 1 and only LBJ!
That's facts but I don't see him and KD making the top 10 I have hakeem the dream over steph and KD ngl
Steph can't be a top 10 without a finals mvp
With all this it still can't put him into the top 10. The players in the top 10 can play both halfs of the game unlike Curry.
@@easyforezzy2024 what do you mean by that
That lost to LBJ was helped by the refs. Also they let Cleveland foul, grab, scratch, bump, shove, hold Curry to no end...which they can affect shooters ability to shoot. He's only 6'3, all that physical harrasment can have a bigger impact on smaller players. They need to stop letting defenders cheat like that.
If I didn't watch basketball I would think KD has 5 MVPs, 10 Scoring Titles & 6 rings and led a team to 70 wins as the number 1 option the way Stephen A. talks about him.
Steph Curry has more rings, more MVPs & can change a game in 5 shots. Curry is absolutely ahead of KD all time.
He has more ring because he played with him lol just stop it, you acting like they didn’t call him crying after losing to bron n kyrie
@@kirutv3483 well at least Steph won a ring without KD
if kyrie and love were healthy he would have the same amount rings as kd
Idiot here
@@kirutv3483 You’re acting like KD would’ve had a ring without Steph.. bro hasn’t been to the finals in how many years without Steph? Steph picked back up right where he left after the injury after Durant left. And as we’re seeing right now they could’ve gotten nearly anybody to replace Durant and went back to the finals
Ppl must forget Steph Swept the blazers in the 2019 WCF without KD while averaging 36 PPG and a total of 146 points most ever by a player in a 4 game playoff series 🤷🏾♂️
exactly they like to forget that soon as kd went down in the Houston series curry and gsw went 6-0 to the finals
Lmao he was guarded by Dame lol
@@hamunivadmin2750 wym 6-0?
If you say Steph gotta do it without kd you have to say the same for kd because he still hasn’t done anything without Steph
he did in 2015 without kd
@@quintingrant9285 what he do in 2015
@@drakotv9240 He won the chip in 2015 without KD
@@drakotv9240 think he meant Steph has done it without KD in 2015
@@quintingrant9285 he did it without Kyrie and Love playing most the series. It counts but if he does it again vs a healthy team he would get more praise. Plus he wasn’t the best player on the floor that series.
That voice Stephen A goes into when he says "This is the greatest shooter God has ever created" kills me every time.. 😂😂
Aye for real tho😭😭
Same for me, every time he say that
That man sounded like he was in love 😂💀
How was KD the best player when Steph was the one getting double teamed. Don’t you double the best and most lethal scorer on a team so why was Steph doubled in the finals
Correct, kd won 2 mvps playing 4 against 3 because of steph.
Steph doesn't get enough credit, no matter how you rank these players, Curry is highest rated player being 6'3" and under. That should be taken in consideration considering most of the top-rated talent are relatively tall, even Kobe.
Agreed. Best "short" player of all time
The best unathletic player of all-time indeed.
The problem is .none of u know ball.. the fact is.. short tall fast slow CURRY IS top 5 all time and the reason is obvious
@@judyclarkson5887 that would be Larry bird
I know right. If only Curry had KD’s height. It would be over for the league.
I got Steph ahead of Durant. Would not be mad if he was top 10. He literally changed the game on every single level. He changed the way the game is played. There maybe 3-5 players who did that all time.
Steph is better than KD. KD has never won a thing without Steph
Same here. KD wasn’t winning no rings without the warriors, while the warriors already got their ring without him and also ended up with the greatest regular season record in nba history, led by unanimous MVP Steph curry. Curry should’ve got FMVP 2015 as well. Durant is the best scorer ever for me, but I’m not taking him over Steph
KD is not top ten. He got no rings
nah
D.. riding Steph curry
Can anyone inform me on the ring KD has WITHOUT Steph??? Dont worry I'll wait. How they trying to discredit ring 2 and 3 from Steph is down right disrespectful. Are we forgetting it was Steph and GSW who sent KD and OKC fishing. The ONE time KD made the finals WITHOUT Steph he lost.
Oh Tim Duncan SHOULD be placed higher than Shaq
Okc were a 50 win team, gsw was a 70 win team. If steph wouldnt have won then it would’ve been the biggest choke in nba history. Oh wait he already owns that title when he chocked against the cavs. Kd was the best player on the team when they played with each other, it’s so abundantly clear it’s not even a debate.
@@pereisjo878 he was also the best player on okc and he still lost, also the best player on the nets and still lost
@@tareekmclean1301 right, cuz his team lost. U understand there’s 4 other guys on the court at all times? Teams win games, not 1 player.
@@Honsyy Curry did what KD didnt ur arguement is still flawed
@@fear7126 currys team did what KDs team didn’t*
Tim Duncan definitely deserves the spot in top 10... love that dude.. love his humility ❤
Love or hate him (if u hate Tim u have a serious problem) best PF of all time he deserves top 10
@@eliasjohn9247 definitely. And 5 championships speak for themselves
Tim Duncan prob 2nd most underrated star of all time(5 more years and Il have him tied with Moses tho)
He's on my Mt. Rushmore. He's definitely the best PF of all time
Steph is my favorite player! But let’s all agree Steph Curry >> KD. Steph has brought sooo much to HIS team. 3 rings. Here’s my question. How many rings did KD get for the OKC?!
The only unanimous MVP... not even MJ or lebron got that gold standard
Zero, Zilch, Nada.
@@adidasboy3207 0 finals mvp and he'll never win one. Kd has 2 finals mvp and prove who thes best on the team really is
@@radixonix839 finals mvp isnt to prove whos the best on the team, thats not part of the sport Lol.
@@adidasboy3207 If not even MJ or Lebron got unanimous regular season MVP then that should show you that it may not be something to be regarded as highly as you regard it when comparing players
Correction Stephen A KD wouldn’t have won those two titles without Warriors
2018 warriors could’ve definitely beat the cavs without KD but 17 idk. Cavs just beat fear into the GSW. They needed each other.
This is the truth,why is no one saying golden state did for kd like how we finally gave him confidence to go try seek a titles in brooklyn
KD hasnt won anything wihtout playing with curry but curry has lol
Golden state wouldn’t have won without kd either...so stupid
They needed each other why do people have a hard time understanding that
No matter how you put it… with out mentioning awards, accolades, & longevity…we have NEVER seen a player play like Steph Curry. The man plays like he’s not from earth.
🎯
Right, steph and Ja are both on the next level Ja at driving and finishing and steph at shooting
@@realtalk2046 ja isn’t in any conversation
@@realtalk2046 Morant just have flashy dunks. Kyrie and Curry is way better than him in inside finishing. Shaq even said that Curry is the best inside finisher.
@@realtalk2046 Ja?? We’ve seen MANY players like Ja 😂😂😂😂
was steph clutch when he outplayed kd in game 5,6,7 of the 2016 WCF? was he clutch in 2018 when kd went down, he led them to back-to-back wins against Houston, scoring 33 in the second half of game 5? was he clutch the year before when kd was struggling against Houston and steph closed with 16 pts that 4th qt to go to the finals? was he clutch in game 1 of the finals that year when kd was still struggling and nearly cost them that game, he had 14pt in 4th and hit the shot to send it to overtime? this false narrative needs to stop.
Thank you so much for this comment!! 💯
So bring clutch decides it LoL 🤣🤣
I love how ppl say steph doesn’t show up in the finals but he averaged 27, 8, and 9 in 2017 and 28, 7, and 7 in 2018. Then 31, 5, and 6 in 2019
This is 💯. Preach !!!!!!
KD over steph is kind of laughable seeing that KDs only chips were with steph when steph had already gone to 2 finals and won 1 🤔 kid should be 2 slots higher than giannis and u COOLD STILL DEBATE THAT GIANNIS MIGHT DESERVE TO BE HIGHER THAN HIM💯🤔
The funny thing about the steph vs KD debate is that we can't use the excuse of "different eras" like we use for the goat debate. These dudes have played together and against each other for years. It's almost like the bill Russell vs wilt debate, one accomplished more but the other is usually regarded as the better player. Same with kd vs steph. Steph accomplished more, KD was pretty much always regarded as the better player tho. So which do we rank higher?
@@MrE_ Steph
Giannis is higher because he is Elite on both ends of the floor, KD and Steph have NEVER made a All Defensive Team in they're entire careers.
And kd is better
The fact that steph didn’t get final mvp in 2015 gotta be the biggest robbery ever. 2 17 point 4Q in game 3,5 and 13 in close out game 6 while averaging 26 6 5 overall. Only argument was literally gm 1 but everything else is sensational.
Numbers don’t tell the whole story most ppl who watched that series in it’s entirety felt that curry had the most impact on the warriors and the fact that it was even a convo is very telling
Curry scored yes but Andre had a heavier load. Iguodala averaged 16.3 points, 5.8 rebounds and 4.0 assists per game. shooting 40 percent from 3-point range and guarding James every night
Steph was also never the best player on the court out of the 5 finals he’s been in
Yea every shooter has a off night, curry hasn't even been bad as a playoff player at all kobe has worse series and still won at times ud say take off big o for kd and put curry over curry curry is 10th best all time for me at least and kd is at least top 5 for me personally he's too good at ball I don't care about nothing else he played with russ the bust half his career russ isn't a winner he out shot kd just bc he wanted to be the leader smh kd has a case for better then bron
@@JayRCity so that's not how finals mvps are usually handed out it was a narrative thing curry did impact the warriors the most that's why when igudula left the warriors were still good
Not only did they win a chip without KD they BEAT KD & Russ! They overcame down 3-1 Steph & Klay went nuclear & KD n mostly Russ choked why is that not factored in whenever they have this discussion?
That 3-1 comeback was 16, they won in 15 tho
cause it makes kd sound bad lmao, they never want to talk about anything that makes their boys look bad. Larry Bird and magic would never allow a blowing a 3-1 lead
@Taylor - That's factually incorrect. The year the Warriors beat the Thunder after being down 3-1, they went on to lose to the Cavs in the Finals after being up 3-1. Durant went to the Warriors the next season and they proceeded to win 2 more championships.
@@chili015 I know I conflated both yrs should’ve explained it more
@@Gabeereps Klay went nuclear not Steph. Game 6 Klay is a thing now. Don’t give Steph that credit. We all know what happened
My top 15:
1. Jordan
2. Lebron
3. Kareem
4. Wilt
5. Magic
6. Timmy
7. Kobe
8. Larry
9. Hakeem
10. Shaq
11. Curry
12. Russell
13. Robertson
14. West
15. Durant
😂😂
This is probably the closest I’ve ever seen to my list. This is legit
Fax, although Curry over Shaq is debatable.
KD: Greatest scorer of all time.
Curry: Greatest shooter of all time.
Both are GREATEST at what they do, so the only way to settle this debate is to rank them based on accolades. I believe Curry had the better career so far.
Smartest comment by far an accurate asf
Lol exactly and the dudes that don't reply cant say none cause its facts. Smart comment
KD isn’t greatest scorer of all time but he’s up there
@@Chillez69 jordan is the greatest scorer
@@acedlovesclips I won’t disagree with that 👍
No way KD reaches top 10 IMO, for a player with his talent he should have way more on his resume especially if we’re considering him to be “the best or 2nd best player in the league” since 2017.
Since 2012 he’s been considered top 2 in the league
@@kyleelpel9402 Not really. Steph took that reign off him since 2015 (tho it only lasted for 2 seasons). He even took it to the next level since lots of ppl were actually believing that Steph was the main face of the league over Lebron after that 2016 mvp campaign (tho of course it got cancelled after the 2016 finals happened).
@@TakumiKhashi that’s cap and I don’t even like westbrook like that but kd was throwing bricks in game 5,6,7 too vs gsw
@@judyclarkson5887 no he didn’t 🤡
@@TakumiKhashi Kd was 1/7 with 4 points on the 4th quarter of that game 6 when Klay went off and ripped their heart apart at Okc. Even Westbrook went a bit better with 8 points (2/7) on that quarter of that game 6. And on game 7 Curry outplayed Kd with his efficient 37 points (13/23 7/12 from 3). So stop the cap when you don't know anything about ball apparently.
I feel like alot of these convos lack context. "KD was clearly the best cause he had better numbers in the finals to get those FMVPs". Ty Lue is on record that doubling/trapping Steph was the #1 priority.
The plan for the Warriors has always been to let Kd and Klay get buckets, but don’t let Steph touch the ball. The Warriors essentially play iso ball with KD whenever teams deny Steph and they’d take that all day.
@@Aj-ng7kq Because while KD is amazing and can win you games, Steph is the one who can break games wide open.
@@dcdj35 yea, i agree. truly believe in my soul that the warriors would have zero chips if KD and Curry swapped teams.
I think you're taking that out of context also... Doubling/trapping KD has no effect because he can just shoot over anyone anyway. Much more efficient to try your best to stop someone that's actually possible to guard.
What I been saying everybody/team doubled Steph in all those finals but they let kd play one and him and curry still was average the same points a game
The Big Fundamental should definitely be ahead of Shaq and in the top 5. Had Timmy D not been so humble he would have been rated much higher. He is just one Ray Allen shot away from having the same record in finals as MJ.
the level of disrespect on Duncan after all these years, my god. 100% agree with you!
HE IS NOT BETTER THAN SHAQ
@@MJ_Cruz You’d take prime TD over prime Shaq?
@@realking4918 I know, but we have to add overall individual and team accolades here. Shaq, the better and dominant player but Duncan is more skillful and no pun intended, Fundamentally better.
@@kevinobida8473 I'm gonna be a bit bias here 'cause I'm a Spurs fan so to answer your question, Yes, I would pick Duncan over Shaq. I'm a fan of Shaq as well.
I’m a suns fan and right now gsw are our rivals for the west but how you gonna disrespect Curry’s rings. Clearly he wins ring without KD and they were already the best team in the world. Once KD joined it made it harder to beat them. Tbh I don’t count KDs rings because if he never went to GS he would have no ring. Yet people still think the Nets can win a championship with KD yea right they still have to get past the warriors or suns before getting that ring. I don’t see KD getting another ring we’re as curry I can see it has he has don’t it before!
Of course you ignore how Steph got his first “legit” ring against a beat up Cavs team. Steph fan boys can’t accept that. You say you can’t disrespect curry’s 2nd and 3rd rings, but then, at the same time, you don’t count KD’s rings just because he went to GS despite KD winning both FMVPs and Steph losing to the raptors when KD got hurt again? You are a Steph fan boy if I’ve ever seen one getting all upset about people ranking KD higher than Steph lol
@@michaelgieseler2799 in that sense Lebron only has 2 rings
@@Thunder0200 that’s not the point; I’m not counting up how many rings theoretically we count. It’s the fact that LeBron has proven it legitimately multiple times. Steph has two championships playing on a team that was 73-9 and added the second best player in the world afterwards. That’s why the guy in the main comment won’t count KD’s rings, but he counts Steph’s lol. The point is steph has one ring without that team where he got to play a injury stricken team, and weirdly enough, steph didn’t win FMVP. LeBron has never won a ring without clearly being the best player, especially in the finals. You even gave LeBron credit for two rings still yourself using the same logic. Therefore, Steph has never proven it to me.
Also, I can only remember LeBron playing a team in the finals with that bad of injury luck in the most recent one against the heat. So idk how you say with the same logic I’m using LeBron would only have two
@@michaelgieseler2799 well technically if your not counting super teams then lebron has none. The bubble was against a crippled team, warriors had an injured steph, bogut and draymond got suspended. His other two was a super team where he got bailed out by ray Allen.
@@Thunder0200 lmao he aint responding no more
I'm taking Curry over Durant when it comes to all time.
Except Curry has never been a better player than Durant. Him being on a better team is irrelevant.
@Jon155 let's look at Curry's accomplishments before 2017 and KD before 2017
Curry: 2 finals, 1 championship, 1 scoring title, 2 MVP, 1 Unanimous MVP, best record in NBA history, broke 3 point record TWICE!!! Not to mention came back from a 3-1 lead on KD in the west finals.
Durant: 1 Finals loss, 1 MVP, 4 scoring titles.
Curry has had better team success as well as better individual success, hence Kevin Durant joined Steph Curry, not the other way around.
@@83jdc1 GSW had better supporting cast than KD who had westbrick. I’m taking Klay and Draymond over westbrick and Ibaka lol 😂 and KD in 2012 (did have baby westbrick and harden) faced peak LeBron and Wade and Bosh Miami superteam while curry with prime Klay and Draymond played injured Cavs without Kyrie and love basically LeBron carrying them to 6 games. KD put up better overall stats in 2012 finals than curry did in 2015 finals the difference was curry had more help and faced injured team while KD faced superteam with baby teammates barely in nba.
KD has been better than curry in every finals and playoffs as well.
KD is just a better player with more finals mvps and more overall accolades.
Without KD GSW sticks with 1 title that’s it LeBron wins 6 rings. KD saved curry from another loss to LeBron and from LeBron becoming the goat
Coz curry is unselfish star let's see if curry changed himself
@@Jon155mt Curry brings more gravity toward him than Durant. More teams are afraid of Curry going off than Durant as well. You can take individual stats into account, but don't forget basketball is a team game. Curry is better at elevating his team's success.
KD would have 0 chips without Steph and Steph knocked KD out of the playoffs....case closed
@UCVzLgSkMRbB1y3rRuHAljaw who said it was just about rings?.....Rings along with performance matters.... steph can shoot mid range as well...what's the difference between a dunk and a layup?...steph averages more steals than durant....steph is more durable and available than durant.
@@warnerjones9932 Steph lost in the 2019 Finals cuz KD is out he needs KD he cannot beat that Defensive beast 2019 Raptors squad lol
@@dxtremecaliberThe same series where Klay Thompson got hurt???
@@warnerjones9932 exactly people forget the Warriors had a leas when klay got hurt . And if I’m not mistaken they swept Portland without KD
@@dxtremecaliber and this is still a fact kd has never won a title wo steph, even though he left to build a super team in Brooklyn 1 playoff round win in 3 years lol.see how easy that was
If Steph Curry wins just 1 Finals MVP his status in the top 10 would be unquestionable.
If he wins another championship but not the Finals MVP,he would still at least have a strong Case just for what he's achieved as a shooter and a PG.
Great debate and insight from both..
The fact that Kobe is listed at 10 and Shaq is at 11 is all you need to know about this list , SMH !!
Facts lol ESPN always drops the ball on these rankings, they are so bad
Completely agree. Kobe is not top 10 and Shaq is top 5
@@MesseJellon Maybe you misunderstood my post !
Kobe should be in Top 5 and Shaq in Top 10
@@ah6169 he didn't...he is just a ameba
if Steph started dunking like Prime Westbrook he’d be the best player of all time😂
No he wouldn’t. Maybe if he played defense like prime Gary Payton. Yet he won’t even guard his own position in the playoffs tho lmao
Honestly, I think Steph should've gotten the finals MVP in 2018. KD only outperformed Steph in ONE game and that was game 3. In game 1, 2 and 4 Steph performed better than KD.
it’s crazy how you can be the undisputed greatest shooter of ALL TIME but not be in the top 10 players all time. basketball is literally all about shooting the ball and steph is the BEST at it
No defense...., MJ, LeBron, Kobe, Duncan, etc all have multiple All Defensive First Team selections to match the elite offense, Curry has never and will never make a All Defensive Team and that is what Basketball is all about, being elite on both ends of the floor.
@@zacharypeery4082 he’s an average defender his teammates are taller and stronger who would target in gs a 6,3 guard or 4 other players who are 6,6 or taller
Basketball is not all about shooting the ball lmao
Tim Duncan doesn’t get enough credit he’s the most underrated player in the history of the league 🤦🏽♂️
Fact this is coming from a gsw fan sir 🙏🙏
And why do they have kd there not hating but he wouldn't won nothing without gsw 🙏🙏
The media always nerfs Tim duncan,kobe and steph.
How they literally have him top 8 all time. You think he should be higher?
@Rick Sin shaq was much more dominant than duncan
Anybody notice Jay said the Kareem at 4 and Magic at 5 when his list is magic at 4 and Kareem at 5 😂
He mis spoke 🤷♂️
The top 10 needs to be the 2 best players for each position all time. That way you don't exclude players that are not playing stat heavy positions like pg and center. Therefore, Wilt and Kareem make the 2 best centers. Tim Duncan and Larry Bird are 2 best PF. Lebron and Kevin Durant are the 2 best Fowards. Jordan and Kobe, Step and Magic. There is you top 10 players ever!!!
Why do they never mention that Steph beat KD the following year? Coming back from a 3-1 deficit?
Can someone explain how Kareem is not the best basketball player in history? Jordan number 2. Jordan didn't even get to so many finals. That's why he should be number 2. Even saying that how can we ignore Wilt's absolute dominance as an individual player. Russell played on an all star team. This is about individual accomplishments mixed with talent mixed with some team accomplishments. Wilt changed the game. Curry changed the game.
Steph already won without KD in 2015. I don’t understand this argument…. 🤷🏾♂️
Send Klay to Nets and watch KD win 10 rings. Now you understand the argument?
Steph didn't win. He never even had finals MVP LOL. He is the greatest shooter. He isn't the great defender, rim protector,. He can't dunk. He can't pass.
Draymond passes for him. protects rim for him. Klay, the #2 greatest 3pt shooter opens floor for him. Iguodala wins Finals MVP for him. lol.
If curry was 2 great why didn't he beat Toronto without KD LOL
KD almost beat Bucks by himself last year u forgot
@@supernotnatural send klay to nets and harden and irving to warriors
Look at who he won against and that rebuts you weak argument
And Steph lost in the Finals cuz KD is out in 2019 but okay go on
@@supernotnatural that's false. . u know dam well curry shoulda got mvp dat year Iggy got it cuz he guarded Lebron not for leading the team to victory KD had kyrie in the bucks series till game 4 harden got hurt in game 1 kyrie went down kd won 1 game and loss the last 2 so how did he carry them and u sayin send klay to the nets u mad that warriors drafted and developed there players lol dats like sayin send kyrie n harden to the nets that's a dumb argument lol
No disrespect to Durant But Curry was already somebody before he joined the Warriors. Durant just benefited from the fact that Curry was willing to take a lower role in the team when he came in. Y'all keep forgetting that.
@CH idek why u waste your time if he didn't already know that he's not worth debating with lol
Durant jumped on the bandwagon.
I love how ppl say steph doesn’t show up in the finals but he averaged 27, 8, and 9 in 2017 and 28, 7, and 7 in 2018. Then 31, 5, and 6 in 2019
@CH KD literally had way more talent than Steph..those warriors weren’t no super prospects. They were all drafted and they grew together. Russell Westbrook was a top 5 player, so was KD.
Manasa Vuibau Batiwale, 100% agreed
If there was any doubt, Steph blew that out of the water with his 4th ring.
the fact that espn keep putting Big O over him is crazy. Its a fact he the second greatest pg ever. Should definitely be top 12 minimum and no question higher then kd. KD has no rings without curry
Point Guard...that's laughable how many assist titles ZERO, he's never averaged 9 assists in a season, if you're only known by how great of a shooter you are then you aren't really a point guard my friend. Steph is a shooting guard...no one wants to put him their because then he gets pushed down because of Mike, Kobe maybe even D. Wade, and A.I.
@@edwardbarnes75 lmfao hes not gonna get pushed down by wade or ai thats ridiculous
and curry has 0 fmvps period. even when he didn't have KD on the team. KD was the best player on that warriors team/ steph wasn't . you can't be top 12 and u weren't even the best player on your own team which you are the face of
@@edwardbarnes75 7ft tall, so how many blocks leader KD have?
and what happen to Steph when KD is out in the 2019 Finals? HE LOST HE NEEDS KD
TD definitely top 10 man stop tha cap lmao…..also Curry is most definitely ahead of KD
KD better
The most disrespected player in the history of the game imo people will move mountains to somehow discredit Duncan lol it’s ridiculous
All I will say is this: watch the finals between the cavs and the warriors and pay attention to WHO the cavs defense was double teaming off the ball starting at half court on every possession. Hint: it wasn’t durant.
Because putting pressure on Steph Curry is easier than KD. KD is 7 feet when he lifts up and shoots he's shooting a like 9-10 feet easy so he's basically in the clear shooting it's a huge advantage for KD and he's the best to do it at his size and length. Steph in that series went more point guard mode imo.
Jay Will Steph should have 2 Finals MVP's. 2015 he was the best player on the winning team. 2018 he was the best player( he had the best finals) in the series. If you wanna debate I'm all for it.
The knock on Kobe wasn't just he lacked the MVPs/Finals MVPs and has the most bricks in NBA history. For a guy known to be a better scorer than even MJ (during the reg season), he only won 2 scoring titles. Iverson won 4. KD won 4.
Scoring titles dont win rings for the most part. Also dont forget kobe was one of the greatest perimeter defenders of all time.
Kobe also was playing behind Shaq early in his prime. Having the ability to avg 30 a game as a second option is crazy
If he retired after Achilles injury would he have had that record? And does Free throws count?
Scoring also doesn’t mean highest ppg means different ways you can score and when you do put up those points. Plus Kobe was really never healthy his whole career and still would give you 30 if he needed to
Lebron James has the most missed shots in Playoff history
Top 10 should not be about talent, its about accomplishments, why do these guys put KD on there based on talent, his accolades are nowhere close to what they have in the top 10
Top-down, left-to-right. Thanks
Yo one of the best from Stephen A I ever heard.. great job bru
Let’s also take into account curry is the only person ever to average 26 points and six assists Per game in three different finals and not win an finals MVP. Also to be fair you should have one of Kevin Durants and should have iggys. Now as far as Jay Williams list curry has accomplished more than Kevin Durant so he should be number 10. Also take into account curry has more mvps and he won without Durant . So basically Kevin Durant needed to come to Golden State so he can win his rings also I curry should have one of the finals mvps. the couldn’t do it without Kevin Durant argument doesn’t hold water because without curry they couldn’t either. Curry has proven he can win without Durant and win a title The reverse is not true also Curry is more durable and Durant has played with more All-Stars But less championships
In 55 NBA Finals games Lebron has averaged 28.4 ppg, 10.2 rebounds and 7.8 assists. He's averaged at least 30 ppg six times in the playoffs. The season they beat GS in the Finals he was averaging 35 ppg lol Stop wishing on a well. Curry couldn't even get GS into the playoffs last season, while KD single handely carried Brooklyn to within a "toe" of the conference finals.
Take a new account? You mean take into account😅
@@mr.anderson3694 bro wat r u talking about curry missed almost 25 games last season no klay the second scorer for the whole year KD had harden an Kyrie the whole first round Kyrie got hurt game 4 in the second round he had dem majority of the playoffs except the last 3 games of the bucks series kd won only 1 game after they both got hurt lol wat u mean kd carried them . . and on top of that head to head curry always beat kd including the playoffs conference finals u really trippin
@@mr.anderson3694 Steph took a roster full of G league players to the 8th seed. and had them at 5th before he got hurt
@@mr.anderson3694 KD was not carrying, he played absolutely phenomenal in the playoffs against Milwaukee but steph had no help the entire season while he being double or triple teamed every game, and still averaged 32 and had 30+ in both play in games they lost
The Fact That Giannis Is In The Top 20 All Time And He’s 26 Is Amazing. This Man Is Built Different
Giannis shouldn't be top 20 as yet. Id say 20 to 25 range, but the pace he's going, he could be a top 5 player.
@@caliba100 Let’s Here Ur Opinion On Why He Shouldn’t Be In The Top 20
@@troyh.2024 Im not gonna get all deep but Giannis only been great for like 4 seasons now. He's been to the finals once, got molly whop by heat in the bubble and still working on his shot. He only has 13k career points. His prime is rivaling MJ and LeBrons, but he needs to keep it up for 5 more seasons. Every year he can move up a spot or 2, but every ring he adds, he can move up 5 spots.
@@caliba100 True
no it just shows how overrated he is
Why do we have to see Steph win w/o kd to crack the top 10, but Kd gets into the top 10 having never won a chip w/o Steph?
He changed the game. His effect to the game as a short guys is the biggest of all
I don’t know that he’ll finish there. He can absolutely do it if he keeps amassing accolades. I’d say it’s hard to keep him out if he wins another ring, and a final mvp. I’d say regardless it’s very hard to keep him out of 10-15 tho, regardless of what happens
If Steph wins FMVP then who are you gonna take out of the top 10 off Jay will's list?? I'm guessing KD to you?
@@bobt9705 Probably the Big O or Kobe.
Those are team accomplishments. Curry isn't top 25 player.
@@brendanbloom3366 lol. Please NAME 25 better than Curry?? He's definitely top 20. I already have him top 15.
@@bobt9705 not in any particular order. Wilt Russell Kareem hakeem Shaq Jordan KD Kobe LeBron Dr J Baylor West Gervin Oscar Barkley Dirk Barry Wade Reed Garnett Drexler Duncan Moses Karl Robinson
KD still hasn’t gotten another ring without Curry and o don’t think he will
When the rankings are close..no one is right or wrong on their list. Can we end this debate and arguing already and just respect and love all the greatness we get to witness in our life
Steph is absolutely my favorite player in the league right now. He's the best player in the league at his position and should be in the MVP conversation pretty much every year he's healthy. That being said, I would have him ahead of KD at #11 (KD being at #12) but not quite top 10 yet. If the Warriors win the chip this year, he'll be top 10. All the top 10 guys have at least one Finals MVP, so as much as I hate that narrative, I do agree that he'll need at least one to crack the top 10 (I'm assuming he'll be the Finals MVP if the Warriors win the chip this year, because that's the only way they win it, in my opinion).
Edit: Steph is now #7 on my list, ahead of Shaq, Bird, and Russell, and just behind Duncan.
Why did they always bring the argument about KD?? I could make the argument, well its a fact that KD never won without steph. Steph won without KD, yet they saying that KD is better than steph. I agree that KD got those 2 finals MVP but when you couldn't even win a championship with the other player, I feel that KD should not be higher than steph. Steph had 1 more MVP than KD, and it wasn't like KD was carrying steph in the finals. Steph did avg 27(26.8), 8, 9 and 27, 6, 6 in 2017 and 2018 finals respectively. And without KD, he won the 2015 finals and in 2019 he avg 30, 5, 6 in the finals. Well, I think steph should be ranked above KD, just my opinion though.
Agreed
Bird was a better passer, rebounding, and defense than KD
Bird has MORE grit!!!! That’s why he’s a Hall-of-famer.
Curry is definitely in the top ten. Him alone shifted the tendency of the league from the Centers being the way teams use to build their lineup. Is one of the biggest changes ever. And of course, he’s no only the best shooter ever, but and incredible point guard.
No finals MVP.
@@kingjoshuamanatad2140 finals mvp is an award voted on by the media. How much basketball knowledge do you have if you allow that to affect your opinion? None im guessing.
@@Come_andGO Every player included in the top 10 greatest players of all time have atleast 2 Finals MVP in their resume. So for Curry to enter that conversation he must a Finals MVP which he can realistically can win this upcoming NBA Finals. But no doubt Curry unique skillset might be top 10 all time. But accolades wise, the only thing missing in his resume is Finals MVP.
Changed the game man. Not many can say that. 2 more championships and it's unquestionable
U know i dont mind Steph being in the top 10 i think he has impacted the game more than enough to have top 10 cases
Just because u impact the game don't mean ur better than the 10 guys ahead of u, Steph has 3 rings with no finals MVP, his accolades don't hold up next to the other greats
@C don't nobody got Oscar Robertson top 10 other than dumb a$$ ESPN, Steph top 15 but not top 10, closer to 15 then 10
@@kckc7140 the big O’s cachet dwindled after Westbrickshow accomplished the same triple double feat. We thought that would never happen but Russ made it happen! Unfortunately averaging a triple double aint what it’s cracked up to be therefore Big O’s ranking is fluffed up considering only winning 1 ring. Russ on the other hand will be ringless
@@velocirshtr3756 first and foremost don't disrespect the great Russell Westbrook, that man is a 2x scoring champion and 3x assists champion, he's a hall of famer without the triple doubles because he was that great in his athletic prime
@@kckc7140 then Russ and Oscar should be closely ranked but clearly not the case.
His impact on the game is undeniable. If he can get 1 more ring there’s no way he’s outside of top 10
He needs a fmvp
2 for me. So he'll have a Kobe-like career. Got disrespected in his first 3 championships just to get 2 more while become the finals mvp. That'll put him as an absolute top 10 player of all-time.
A 4th ring makes him top 7, stop!
KD better
He has 3… lol.. combine that with his other accolades he is a top 10. Why people keep trynna throw extras on to it.. he doesn’t have a Finals MVP… he did it with KD… One can argue heavily that if not for him the others wouldn’t shine or be who they’re supposed to be
no question he is top 10. he stayed on the same team his whole career 1, and is one of the most winningest players of all time 2, I think he wouldve won without KD. cavs had no chance in 2017 and 2018. 3, best shooter of all time, mosts 3s 4, there is so much reasons why. his accolades are undeniable, and he still could win more chips.
Cavs had no chance in 2017 and 2018 because KD joined the team, not because of Steph Curry lol--dude and his team choked their way out of a 3-1 lead against the Cavs in 2016 without KD.
There's a case for it. MJ, Kareem, LeBron, Magic, Bird, Russell, Kobe, Wilt and Shaq are locks for any Top 10, in my opinion. That's 9 people, which leaves an open slot at No. 10, and I do think Curry is a part of that conversation, alongside Oscar Robertson, Duncan, Hakeem and maybe Julius Irving. I'd probably still have Oscar and Hakeem ahead of Steph, at least. I don't think Durant is a part of that conversation, as skilled as he is, he'd have to prove he can do it on his own over the course of his career. I also think Giannis has a shot at eclipsing all these other guys and finish up as a Top 5-7 player of all time when he retires.
JWill’s top ten is invalid. Can’t have Bill Russell and not Wilt Chamberlain
u can
@@qmiller830 you can’t considering Wilt dominated Bill in all those finals. Bill Russell was just playing with all the HOFers
The fact that hakeem gets dismissed from this debate for the top 10 is mind boggling to me dude was a beast in his prime and his two chips are more valuable than kd's two chips ever were
Edit: yes ik on paper kd and hakeem each got two chips I meant that hakeems chips were tougher to win than kd's that all I meant by that
No they are worth the same lol
2 rings are still 2 rings and if jordan didnt retire those years hakeem most likely would have 0 rings
@@Oneil_Henry I hate this talk. NO WAY was the Bulls winning 8 straight titles in the 90s. Give me Houston still winning in 94 had MJ stayed. Chcago barely got by the Knicks in 93. The Bulls first dynasty was trending down and I'm confident enough to say that the Bulls werent winning 4 straight titles.
@@losfyl3572 I meant this in terms of context obviously on paper 2=2 but kd's rings came when he was on a superteam hakeem carried his teams and they obviously weren't super teams and won back to back imo hakeem is better than kd
@@bobt9705 u believe in 94 the rockets that went to a game 7 with the knicks would beat the bulls if jordan played that year
Same i have curry at 11 and 12
KD wasn’t clearly GS’ best player Stephen A. where did that come from? As far as I can recall, Steph is an ALL-WORLD talent in his own right and still is now
ESPN always finds a way to diminish the greatness of Curry. They always talk about steph won because kd join the warriors, but how about Lebron? Curry only have KD in the top 75 greatest players of all time.. Lebron have 5 ( 6 if we include Shaq ).
Curry had reliable teammates until his 5th year in the finals when klay and KD went down. Curry is great, but he can't carry by himself. Need atleast klay and Draymond for things to run smooth.
Agreed bro.
@@caliba100 Just take a look at what your saying man. Curry can't carry by himself?? But he only got 1 teammate in 75 to Lebron got 6 teammate in 75. Who is the one that can't carry by himself? 🤔
Steph's teammate (Draymond) himself thinks Lebron is the GOAT
Finally SAS speaks on KD’s career the way it should be spoken on. Yes he has 2 rings but at what cost? I’d leave him off the top 10 and put steph in his spot instead
Exactly
and Steph needed KD in the 2019 NBA Finals
@@dxtremecaliber warriors would have won the 2019 finals even after KD got hurt if Klay wasn’t injured .. don’t play dumb and act like steph klay and draymond weren’t 1-1 in the finals before KD got there lol
Curry Top 10 easy/ dude was and is a true game changer...the game still in the form he changed it too
After this championship he will be up there no questions asked
Steph my favorite player of all time if he wins this year he’s a top 10 lock but not right now
Right. I agree
Agreed
Please stop disrespecting Duncan he got 5 rings on Kobe/Shaq/Lebron era and 2 MVPs while being the best player on his team if he’s the greatest pf he should be ahead of Shaq 🤷🏾♂️
I have Duncan ahead of Shaq for sure. Duncan and LeBron is close for sure. But Duncan got 5 and was a better defender throughout. My top 6 is always 1. Jordan 2. Russell 3. Kareem 4. Wilt 5. Magic 6. Bird
@@youngblood4127 same
@@youngblood4127 i have kobe at 6 over bird i have bird at 7
@bLIZKA That's fine & true. Magic is just slightly more iconic in the grand scheme. Only By a smidge but both are important and are literally intertwined in history. You can't tell one story without the other. They're interchangeable.
I think A ring and fmvp puts Steph top 10 and Arguable Goat PG And if he does so KDs legacy takes a hit imo Curry with 4 rings will now prove that he’s won before KD with KD and after KD and Durants rings are going to be valued even less
this is how people with sport knowledge argue...love it
When it's all set and done Steph will easily be In top 10 all time. He's definitely winning at least one more ring and MVP
no not definitely.
@NBA Instagram Your name is NBA Instagram nothing you ever say will be taken seriously LMFAO
@NBA Instagram hes gonna win one more but hes not Top 10 and defintely better than KD period
@NBA Instagram Oh yeah? Who asked?
I know Kobe had Shaq next to him, but for 12 other years, Shaq wasn't there. And Kobe was the Lakers' leading scorer by 2001 (his 5th year). You should dominate your contemporaries crushing T-Mac and Iverson that MJ did to Nique and Drexler.
Different conferences, you fool. What happened when TMac came to the WCF? Exactly….
I mean sure you can make the argument that Golden State won a chip without KD but at the same time Goldenstate lost a 3-1 lead without KD when Bron had actual help so I think that cancels each other out. Curry over KD, personal opinion.
The Wilt/Russell rivalry of their time reminds me a lot of the Manning/Brady rivalry. Now, I'm comparing Brady at the time when Manning retired. Obviously Brady's numbers increased a lot after Peyton retired. So, Wilt/Peyton had limited championships but had so many of the league leading/all time numbers. Where as Russell/Brady had less stellar all-time numbers, but had so many titles, and many more than anyone else in history.
Bro Curry has Effect and done more In the NBA then KD ever has people are in love with what KD can do not what he has done
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MJ, Kareem, Lebron, Magic, Wilt, Russell, Kobe, Shaq, Duncan and Bird are the top 10. Steph and KD are in that 11-14 range along with Hakeem and Oscar and for them to crack the top 10 they need to win at least one more championship - Steph to get that finals MVP and KD to prove he can win without Steph and Warriors. But the biggest problem is the disrespect Stephen A showed towards Tim Duncan. He is a 5 time champion, one of the best defender and one of the most consistent player of all time and Stephen A wants to argue that Duncan shouldnt be in the top 10 smh
I swear that finals mvp is the most overrated award in sports and nobody taking Oscar over Durant and Steph
@@jakoblarson4597 Oscar hella overrated
@@xoniye3573 I still would put him top 20-25
Thank you for defending me
Steph was loyal to his team, Steph did something we’ve NEVER seen before with the 3 point shot. KD ONLY won cuz gsw was already established. Steph is def top 10 and will be once it’s all said and done
Bro I hate when they say Jordans road to prosperity was tough as if the league today isn't more advance far as skillset an Technique.
I'm not 100% on "kd was clearly the best player on golden state"
Curry's best year he was blowing the entirety of the league out by 30 an sitting whole 4th quarters an part of 2nd/3rd quarters averaging 36 a game. He top 5 stop the lies.
I respect jays honesty
I like Jays list. Im on board with it.
KD has played with Westbrook, kyrie, and harden and couldn't get a ring without going to Steph's team..KD tried to put his own super team together and did nothing. Curry had his team in first place with 3 starters out.
facts!!
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Hmm I know KD as a talent is better than Steph but KD wouldn’t have 2 rings if it wasn’t for Stephen Curry. Fun fact Curry got doubled team more in the finals which left KD and the crew open for more shots.
facts 40 times to kd 3 times KD the only finals MVP in history with wide open finals highlights besides iggy and ty lue just came out and said curry was the #1 priority in the finals
Respect to Duncan, I like it
Steph Curry n dirk was the most game revolutionary players in the past 20 years
well that aged well
Duncan disrespect unreal
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The thing with the Russel and Wilt argument, that Boston team was incomparable. Wilt did all he could. But it was not just Bill there.
Question whats the requirements on being top whats the check list? What needs to be completed or goals meet to be considered? Like what do u have to add? Rings mvps ppg avg in a season what is it? Or is it like he is popular hes 1 hes less popular he is 2 what is it?
Steph being out of the top 15 is disrespectful at this point.. Giannis should not be that close to steph for their careers just yet
Lmfao u should compare there careers at this point they are close even if steph have 2 more rings idont value those rings as giannis ring
@@hatim289 y’all choose to value rings when it supports your favorite players.. it’s also because steph has impacted the game in ways Giannis never has or could… this year is his first year where the masses considered him top 3 in the league.. Steph has been that since 2015…
@@OffTopicKamah are we talking about impact on the game ?
Idonr care if he impact the game by three point shooting
@@hatim289 because you don’t know basketball that much
It's insane how disrespected Larry is. Stehen A. made an argument for putting KD ahead of Bird and listed off some of KD's accolades, but the funny thing is, almost everything he listed off Larry has more of.
Championships 3 to KDs 2
League MVPs 3 to KDs 1
FMVPs 2 to 2.
Scoring titles 0 to KDs 4
Now you factor in all nba teams
1st teams : 9 to KDs 6
Total selections: 10 to KDs 9
Defensive selections: 3 to KDs 1
Now if you want to say KD would beat Larry 1 on 1 thats fine, but in terms of all time greatness, it's Larry by a mile. And that's not even taking into account that KDs rings and FMVPs are tainted and that Larry's rivalry with magic carried basketball through the 80's, meanwhile KD was never actually Lebron's rival and it was pretty clear cut that this was Lebron's era. Larry should be top 5, not being considered for bumping out of the top 10.
Not only Bird but Hakeem also. You notice something beacuse i also notice this narative in last ten years. If you remember Bird and Hakeem is considered always top 10 player ever, Bird in early 00s considered top 5 and even top 3 player with Magic and Jordan. I remember that and only player after 00s who can put above Bird and Hakeem is Lebron. And somehow in last ten years Bird is bottom 10 and Hakeem not ten. This is narative with new generation. I mean, Bird considered many years better player then Magic.
@@markozbunjol625 I personally have Hakeem in my top 10. I do think he's becoming forgotten but he was pretty clear cut the 2nd best player of the 90s, even if he declined at the end. But there are a lot of dudes near the end of the top 10 that can be argued that deserve to be there, so I understand why some people would not have him. With Larry it just seems like pure disrespect.
3:40 😂😂😂 look at his facial expression and tone.
I think about all the coaches who couldn't get Wiggins' best. Kerr, the organization is phenomenal.