One thing I noticed with the point guard discussion, nobody accounts for the defensive end. Arguably the greatest defender to ever play point guard doesnt even get an honorable mention. Gary Payton a 9x 1st team all NBA defender with a defensive player of the year award. He led his team to the finals with a 64 win record, just couldnt beat Jordan. Definitely top ten in my book
Put some DAM RESPECT ON BOB COUSYS NAME , HIM AND J STOCKTON CONTROLLED THE GAME WITH THIER GREAT MINDS IQ , THEY OUTSMARTED THE BROTHERS WHO WHERE MORE GIFTED PHYSICALY , WE PLAY THE GAME FROM THE NECK UP
outside of leaving CP3 out of his discussion, the most laughable thing Mad Dawg said was downplaying Curry by saying he only won 1 title by himself then having Kidd over him cus he won 1 out of 3 finals and the 1 that he did win wasn’t even by himself. He was riding the coattails of Dirk. Even Jason Terry was more impactful
And as great as Oscar was, he also never won without Kareem. Neither him or kidd where the best player when they won. Curry was the best on his team in 2015
Kidd did not ride Dirk's coattails. He was just as important to that team, especially during their championship run. Yes, he was the 4th or 5th most important player on the team, but that should not take away from him. Also, Kidd's Finals runs with the Nets occurred when the East was at a nadir competitively. Finally, NO PLAYER WINS BY THEMSELVES. THAT'S NOT HOW BASKETBALL WORKS.
Dude's a Boomer all the way, but he's unapologetic about it and that energy makes it fun. Also I would slide Curry to 2 or 3, but I would say that's actually a solid list he has. But damnit he's got to be trolling with Cousy haha. Also Jerry West is a 2 guard, no one thinks of him as a PG. I thought Stephen A was going to call him a hypocrite for Nash since Nash has never made a finals, but he came out of left field with Jerry west lol.
I absolutely love mad dog. He infuriates Steven A. he for sure got WAY too much of a "back in my day" energy but its so funny cause it pisses off everyone on the show. People seem to write off everyone who played more than 20 years ago so it is a breath of fresh air.
@Dani G80 hes still listed as a mf pg 😂 just because he doesn't dominate the ball dont mean anything and the reason he dont dominate the ball is because he would be double teamed so the coach makes plays for him
but when you watch the best highlights of the stars in the old days, even michael jordan, you can see that the things they did back then you see in most players these days. but if you watch the top highlights of current stars like lebron, steph curry, etc. they do things that are unbelievable that you would have never seen back in the day. also defensive coverages were a joke back in the day too
The way SAS describes CP3, it applies to Mad Dog. Every time Mad Dog shows up on ESPN on Wednesdays, the show gets better. Mad Dog has that charisma. Like you think he's delusional but it's not so mean-spirited like Skip back in the day.
He was incredible....you may look a this highlights and laugh at his hook shots and one handed shots but stop and think for a second just how difficult those shots are to pull off....those were elements of the game then and he mastered them....had he been playing today he would of adjusted his style. Bob is arguably the greatest passer of all time...give him his respect. Plus, Bob was doing all of this without the trainers, coaches, resources, etc. that all of today's players have....Bob was ahead of his time.
I know he never won a ring... But are we going to ignore the brilliance of John Stockton? He has a steal and assists record that no one is going to touch.
true, but remember he played with Karl Malone for about 20 years......if some like CP3 played with Malone for that long he would have close to the same records
Magic said that if you wanna learn play the point, watch Stockton His assists and steals records are unreachable and he didnt win a title cuz he faced MJ He is top 5
Stockton without Malone is worse than Magic without Kareem, Curry without Draymond/Klay, Oscar without Jerry Lucas, Isiah Thomas without Joe Dumars/Bill Laimbeer. You could argue he is #5 but Chris Paul, Steve Nash, and Jerry West are arguably better
How does John Stockton not make any of these lists?! The guy leads all time in assists and steals!! Played both ends of the floor and he was essentially Chris Paul before Chris Paul.
@@calthar13 same reason why stephen A gets so mad about jason kidd. Now do i think he is 4th overall. Proly not but he was something curry never was and never will be. A really good defender. He was also big. Like Russel Westbrook big at 6'4 so he would wear someone like curry out in playoffs and would run him flat over in the post because guards use to know how to play post. Now its like smart, holiday, and Westbrook and thats about it.
I've always felt like Stockton is so underrated. NBA record for steals and assists and it isn't even close. He's the definition of a fundamentally strong point guard
I appreciate Mad Dogg's old school approach. A lot of the all time legends are underappreciated. That being said, he's a hypocrite for putting Steph Curry at 5 because he "only won one ring by himself" when he put the Big O and Jason Kidd above him even if they never won anything by themselves. Steph is definitely my #2 behind Magic.
Could put him 3 because he doesn’t have a finals mvp which he should considering how good he is but doesn’t take control in the finals oftentime . Yet the lowest u can put him is 3.
i’m really curious why walt frazier is never talked about as an all time great pg, won 2 finals and had some huge playoff/finals moments, but even the old heads i don’t hear talk about him and i figure there’s gotta be a reason
Yeah I wonder that too. Best I can tell he had a relatively short prime and never had the assist numbers that other PGs had. You would still think that the rest of his resume would allow him to crack the top 10 PG lists.
He had a super great handle i watched those finals he was amazing suprised hes not talked about either he was really great one of the great players that can play in this era
@@The614zekebecause they played on worse teams then the spurs for a majority of their careers and have better individual accolades, for example Nash has 2 mvps and stockton is the all time leader in steals and assist bar far.
Magic is basically consesus 1 IT is basically consensus 3. Most ppl have steph 2 big o at 4 then that 5th spot is debatable. The funny thing is that this list is actually good for mad dog standards🤣💀
it's crazy to me that. Zeek isn't automatic 2 like my dude beat Kareem, Magic, Michael the goat Jordan, Arguably the best forward ever Larry Bird, Prime Wilkins, Benard King and Patrick.
I saw Jason Kidd in h.s. against DC Allstars at Univ. Of Maryland. Scariest thing I may have ever seen!!!! He was everywhere!! I thought he was on speed.
Either have Curry #2 or don't have him on the list at all because he's not a true point guard, but don't keep him on the list and also penalize him for not being a true point guard. Also if you're talking about traditional point guards Stockton needs to be in the top 5. He lacked a lot athletically and he's damaged his legacy with the anti-vax stuff, but in terms of being a passer and a floor general he's easily in the top 5. So either go all in with guards who played the 1 and have Curry at #2 or go all in on traditional point guards and have Stockton way higher but Steph not on the list. This list just changed the requirements for each pick in an effort to keep CP3 off it.
The fact that people think Stocktons legacy in basketball is damaged because he is specifically against the rushed covid vax (not anti vax in general) is a joke. It's a woke joke , shouldn't be mentioned unless you are a puppet of the corporate greed system we are all exposed to
This is a very solid point 🤝 Steph is indisputably among the BEST if we're talking about the Best Overall players that played the Pos1. The only argument that can challenge that was the fact that he's not really a Traditional/Pure/True PG, u really have to either Put him #2(anything lower is an insult) and he's not even done yet, or isolate him coz he won't fit those PG rankings 'Qualifications'
How does OG have STEPH in an not STOCKTON... STEPH better player but not better PG... STOCKTON may have been the Goat like MAGIC because STOCKTON was 9x NBA Assist Leader.... Top 5 Greatest Point Guards .. No particular order... Magic Johnson 5x Champion 3x Finals MVP 3x MVP 12x All-Stars 2x NBA All-Star Game MVP 9x All NBA First Team 4x NBA Assist Leader 2x NBA Steal Leader IBM Award John Stockton 10x NBA All-Star NBA All-Star Game MVP 2x All NBA First Team 9x NBA Assist Leader 2x NBA Steals Leader Chris Paul 12x NBA All-Star NBA All-Star MVP 4x All-NBA First Team 7x All Defensive First Team NBA Rookie Of The Year NBA All Rookie First Team 5x NBA Assist Leader 6x NBA Steels Leader Jason Kidd NBA Champion 10x All-Star 5x All NBA First Team 4x All NBA Defensive First Team NBA Co Rookie First Team NBA All Rookie First Team 5x NBA Assist Leader 2x NBA Sportsmanship Award USA Male Basketball Athlete Of The Year Steve Nash 2x MVP 8x NBA All-Star 3x All-NBA First Team 5x NBA Assist Leader 4x 50-40-90 Club Phonenix Sun Ring Of Honor 2x FIBA AmeriCup MVP Lou Marsh Trophy 3x Lionel Conacher Award I love Steph Curry but he didn't make my top 5 Best PG list because he is not a top 5 passer... Steph Curry does have Top 5 impact as a PG tho.... Steph Curry 3x Champion 2x MVP 8x NBA All-Star NBA All-Star Game Mvp 4x All NBA First Team 2x Scoring NBA Champion NBA Steals Leader 50-40-90 Club 2x NBA 3 Point Contest Champion NBA All Rookie First Team A PG is about passing... Assist Leader Stockon 9x Magic 5x CP3 5x Kidd 5x Nash 5x Steph 0x I made a mistake Oscar Robertson NBA Champion MVP 12x NBA All-Star 3x NBA All-Star Game MVP 9x All NBA First Team 6x Assist Leader Top 5 Greatest PGs KIDD MAGIC OSCAR STOCKTON Tied CP3/NASH Steph Isaiah an Glove Honorable Mention Glove 9x NBA All-Star 2x All NBA First Team NBA Defensive Player Of The Year 9x All NBA Defensive First Team NBA Steals Leader Isaiah Thomas 2x NBA Champion NBA Finals MVP 2x NBA All-Star Game MVP 3x All NBA First Team NBA All Rookie First Team NBA Assist Leader J. Walter Kennedy Citizenship Award
@@samhopkins3610 So in other words, you ignore defense and leadership which Kidd has over Steph. Draymond is the real leader of the Warriors and Steph can’t defend like Kidd did. When Kidd was in his prime, his best teammates were Kenyon Martin, Richard Jefferson, & Vince Carter at the end of his prime. Those are good players but you can’t compare them to Kevin Durant, Klay Thompson, & Draymond Green.
@@Oridginale24 leadership is so arbitrary, you’re not in the warriors locker room so u don’t know that, and by all accounts Steph is a great teammate. Kidd is a better defender but Steph is 10x the offensive player that Kidd was. Is Marcus Smart better than Steph too?
@@Oridginale24 if someone right now said Mikal Bridges was better than Kevin Durant or Lebron they would sound like an idiot but he’s a way better defender. Is Kevon looney better than Jokic? He’s a better defender
@@Comictalent kyrie and Westbrook should be there before lillard, and future potential production isn’t an argument for a top 10 or 15 list. At best you can say lillard might reach it but he isn’t there yet
@@Kirbystare1992 No, they are nowhere near the athlete he is, but I don't believe you punish old players historically just because the game changes and players improve. I'm sure Cousy could never guard Westbrook one-on-one. But I also don't think Westbrook has had the career Cousy did in his era. I think both points matter.
Most people who disrespect Bob Cousy I feel like have never watched a full game of him playing. Watching him I legit think he could’ve EASILY played today
It’s just another form of recency bias. No one will obv be able to completely tell whether he could play today but I guarantee most that disrespect his name have never even seen him play
Nah man, dude couldn't even average over 40% from the field. He'd be a bench warmer in today's game, and this is coming from someone that actually respects the OG players.
He hasnt won much but so hasnt a lot of great point guards in the history as the number 1 option. CP3 has been the best player on contenders for most of his career, is a consistent 20+10 guy and is the true definition of point guard. I have him behind Magic, Steph, Oscar and Isiah and tied with Stockton at 5. Nash and Kidd also did not have much team success as the number 1 option on their teams
@@Nick-pf5xo Kidd much better as a leader and defender. only thing CP3 is better at is scoring. Kidd went to the finals twice though as the main guy with not much talent like cp3, stockton and nash had. Kidd more versatile, can play more off the ball and can defend multiple positions than those 3. he did defend kobe, lebron, durant, wade and westbrook during the 2011 championship run. I think if Kidd was in his prime with a prime Dirk. they could have won at least 2 championship. CP3 was in a very talented team in his days with the clippers, rockets and even new orleans but was unable to get to the conference finals until last year where most of the teams they faced were without their stars. Nash also had great talented teammates in his time with the mavericks, suns and lakers but he was a liability on defense and only emerge as a great player in a d'antoni type system. Stockton had malone most of his career. They were a great duo but stockton never carried a team like some of the best point guards did. Malone was the best player during those Jazz run in the 90s. 1. Magic Johnson 2. Steph Curry 3. Oscar Robertson 4. Isiah Thomas 5. Jason Kidd This is the top 5 PG of All Time for me.
And u got dudes up here commenting talking about mad dog overrating him.. Nah Kidd the most unappreciated player of all time.. these casuals think u have to shoot 3 pointers like curry
imagine having a top 5 PG list of all time and not having at least 1 or 2 of CP3, Stockton, or Nash....not having a single 1 of the 3 purest Point guards of all time
Calm your horses. The list depends on who's making it. Mad Dog's list is about accomplishments and how the players rank compared to the other players in their own era.
1. Magic Johnson 2. Oscar Robertson 3. Steph Curry 4. Isaiah Thomas 5. John Stockton 6. Jason Kidd 7. Steve Nash 8. Garry Payton 9. Chris Paul 10. Jerry West
Jason Kidd the most unappreciated player of all time.. casuals basketball fans think u need to have to shoot 3 pointers like curry to be great.. Not understanding Kidd after magic Johnson was the greatest facilitator ever and can dominate a game without shooting a shot attempt
@@markarmage3776 Kidd with 9 defensive team selections? We talking about the same person? Passing I'd call it even, Kidd was flashier but Stockton more consistent. And durability, no debate, Stockton by a long shot
Honestly I don’t mind his list I would def put curry higher though but Kidd is highly underrated his game wasn’t flashy but dude was a winner and a killer
@@darkse1dd that's fair. I just have a hard time putting guys who played in the 60s on that list. There were literally 8 teams in that era, and the Celtics were pretty much the Mongolians of that time
@@darkse1dd Not Oscar. As great as he was, he couldnt sniff the finals before Lew. Kidd got his team to the Finals back-to-back, and while he lost both, at least it was to all-time great teams. The Lakers 3peat and the Spurs.He made Kmart look like an allstar
1. Magic 2. Kidd 3. Curry 4. Zeke 5. Oscar 6. CP3 Kidd is top 5 for sure. Arguably the most skilled passer to ever touch a basketball. The 2nd only to GP as the greatest defensive pg of all time. He was a 2nd coach on the floor and was a legit triple-double and rebounding machine when he needed to be.
When you’re a point guard who can only pass and aren’t a good scorer, you’re easy to defend. I like Kidd but you’re way overrating him. CP3 is a better shooter, a better general on the court, better scorer and just as good of a defender.
@@amitpalbains9361 not a good scorer? He's 12th all time in made 3 pointers and scored 17,000 points. Not sure how you reach either of those bench marks by being bad at scoring. Also..CP3 is brilliant as a floor general but Jason's leadership on the court was on another level. It could be a matter of preference but Olympic coaches & his peers vouch for his brilliance. He also won a ring (Chris hasn't yet) beating Lebron and the Miami big 3.
@@willjamesjr lol you must think I’m dumb trying to fool me with the wrong type of stats. Kidd averaged 12 points a game playing 36 minutes a night, yes, he wasn’t a scorer. On top of that, he shot 40% for his career from the field. That’s god awful. Don’t come at me with longevity stats. Aw the great ring debate. Kidd averaged 9 points and 7 assists in the playoffs that year. Kidd wasn’t the reason they won. Kidd probably wasn’t even the third most impactful player on the team. It was Dirk and Terry, and then you can make a case that Tyson Chandler and Shawn Marion were more impactful then Kidd. He wasn’t even a great starter. He was a good starter and or you can say he was a great role player but that’s all he was. Kidd winning with the mavericks is like if Chris Paul joined the bucks and won a championship.
Mad Dogg is a breath of fresh air, because there's too much recency bias in today's media and older legends get forgotten & disrespected. Although he pushes the pendulum too far the other way sometimes, its necessary evil when Steph A says its blasphemous to not Chris Paul in top 5. He should be honored to be top 10-15 given he's never even been to final ever...
Stockton and Malone are so severely underrated for all-time great lists and I don't know why. Yes, they lost 2 Finals to the undisputed GOAT, but they lost 2 Finals to the undisputed GOAT. Also, the Bulls support players were far superior to the Jazz's. If the Jazz had Rodman, they'd win 5 titles in a row. Stockton is 1st in Steals and Assists all-time and doesn't make a top 5 PG list? That's just insane.
Steph only brings offense. Kidd brought offense, defense, & leadership. Curry is not a defender and Draymond is the real leader of the Warriors. Steph is a better scorer and shooter but Kidd was the better passer and floor general.
@@Oridginale24 if steph is on the floor, he is defending his best. Some people are just not built to be a defender. It is not as if Curry is a guaranteed bucket like isiah Thomas. His most underrated part of the game.
@@Oridginale24 steph has led the nba in steals before so he’s not a terrible defender. But there’s is no way u can argue Kidd over curry. It’s not even close
@@jaleelgoines9949 Getting steals is often about gambling but there’s so much more to defense than just getting steals. Iverson led the league in steals but he wasn’t a great defender. Kidd could actually guard the 1 to the 3 positions. Kidd was the most vocal guy on the floor like Draymond is for the Warriors.
The disrespect to Tony Parker, 4 rings, finals MVP. Not saying he is better than anyone (Peak Wise) than the people on that list, but not even a mention? come on
Mad Dog isn't saying Bosh Spice or Westbrick. He'll criticize them but he doesn't resort to name-calling. That's the difference between him and Skip. He'll say Ayton is overrated but that's it.
Stephen A. and Mad Dog Russo are so much fun to watch. Doggie needs to start giving Steph Curry more credit. He should be at least be #3 in that top 5.
He really critiqued Curry for “only having one chip by him self” but then puts kidd and mentions his one ring but we all know that was dirk🤦♂️
wouldn’t really say “that was Dirk” becasue Dirk didn’t carry them in the finals, they played well top to bottom
@@100ovrbatmanbron7 kidd was a role player on that team , the ring should not matter for any argument
@@joaobrito2653 true
What about Magic. He had Kareem
Magic and oscar ddnt win without kareem…
One thing I noticed with the point guard discussion, nobody accounts for the defensive end. Arguably the greatest defender to ever play point guard doesnt even get an honorable mention. Gary Payton a 9x 1st team all NBA defender with a defensive player of the year award. He led his team to the finals with a 64 win record, just couldnt beat Jordan. Definitely top ten in my book
I agree he surely a top 10. But I don’t think top 5. In my opinion anyway.
Gary Payton Was a great defender but he’s not Top 5, certainly Top 10
if they cared about defense player of the year. Dwight woulda been in the top 75
He definitely top 10 but it’s hard to throw him in the top 5. But I agree with you
Gary Payton not even better then Westbrook.. stop it
I’m surprised he didn’t have Bob Cousy as his number 1. 😆
Said the same thing
Same, I was certain that he would.
Put some DAM RESPECT ON BOB COUSYS NAME , HIM AND J STOCKTON CONTROLLED THE GAME WITH THIER GREAT MINDS IQ , THEY OUTSMARTED THE BROTHERS WHO WHERE MORE GIFTED PHYSICALY , WE PLAY THE GAME FROM THE NECK UP
@@jblaze1336 he outsmarted plumbers and firemen
@@jblaze1336 interesting that you only named white guards
outside of leaving CP3 out of his discussion, the most laughable thing Mad Dawg said was downplaying Curry by saying he only won 1 title by himself then having Kidd over him cus he won 1 out of 3 finals and the 1 that he did win wasn’t even by himself. He was riding the coattails of Dirk. Even Jason Terry was more impactful
No. JT was not more impactful then Kidd. People really will just say anything.
And as great as Oscar was, he also never won without Kareem. Neither him or kidd where the best player when they won. Curry was the best on his team in 2015
Kidd did not ride Dirk's coattails. He was just as important to that team, especially during their championship run. Yes, he was the 4th or 5th most important player on the team, but that should not take away from him. Also, Kidd's Finals runs with the Nets occurred when the East was at a nadir competitively. Finally, NO PLAYER WINS BY THEMSELVES. THAT'S NOT HOW BASKETBALL WORKS.
@@urbaindelva7869 jj barea did his thing too
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Finals MVP Iggy
Man I may not agree with his takes but Mad Dog is entertaining😂😂
love his energy
Dude's a Boomer all the way, but he's unapologetic about it and that energy makes it fun.
Also I would slide Curry to 2 or 3, but I would say that's actually a solid list he has.
But damnit he's got to be trolling with Cousy haha.
Also Jerry West is a 2 guard, no one thinks of him as a PG. I thought Stephen A was going to call him a hypocrite for Nash since Nash has never made a finals, but he came out of left field with Jerry west lol.
@@Jkev24 he just be joking when he bring up old name like Nate Archibald or Lou Hudson 🤣but they did have some game
@@ojlott-w4n who?
You must have a low iq
I absolutely love mad dog. He infuriates Steven A. he for sure got WAY too much of a "back in my day" energy but its so funny cause it pisses off everyone on the show. People seem to write off everyone who played more than 20 years ago so it is a breath of fresh air.
So u think we write them off? So u think those guys better than steph
He’s skip bayless 2.0
@Dani G80 hes still listed as a mf pg 😂 just because he doesn't dominate the ball dont mean anything and the reason he dont dominate the ball is because he would be double teamed so the coach makes plays for him
@Dani G80 my guy I didnt say u knocked him I just told u he is a pg
but when you watch the best highlights of the stars in the old days, even michael jordan, you can see that the things they did back then you see in most players these days. but if you watch the top highlights of current stars like lebron, steph curry, etc. they do things that are unbelievable that you would have never seen back in the day. also defensive coverages were a joke back in the day too
Stephen A and Mad Dog were made for each other
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We miss Skip though :)))
YES.
The way SAS describes CP3, it applies to Mad Dog. Every time Mad Dog shows up on ESPN on Wednesdays, the show gets better. Mad Dog has that charisma. Like you think he's delusional but it's not so mean-spirited like Skip back in the day.
I get what you are saying with Mad Dog and Skip's similarities.
It doesn’t get better lmao, its just horrible takes left and right.
He’s the Italian version of Stephen A, except more knowledgeable
He's aight, matches Stephen A's energy
Opposite for me. I generally can't stand watching his videos and only clicked on this one to see the top 5 list he had
I think Jason Kidd is underrated. But Mad Dog just overrated him here 😭
massively
He did anything to keep cp3 out lmao
@@xavierb9061 Yea but he isnt better than Curry
He’s in the mix for 5 with CP3, Nash and Stockton.
jason kidd led two inferior nets teams to finals. and they lost against two dynasties.
"Bob Cousy was an absolute legend, a literal blur on the court"
-the firefighters who guarded him in 1954, probably 🤣😂
Never shot over 40% for a season in his career
Before lasik
@@nathanchristensen716 not a good argument, 50s & 60s % were down across the board because style of play and less developed shot mechanics...
@@heatnix3223 “less developed shot mechanics” sure seems like an argument to not be better then Chris Paul
Only the end of the bench guys were firefighters lol and that was only because the NBA didn't pay enough at the time
I'M IN TEARS EVERYTIME MAD DOG SAYS BOB COUSY! 🤣🤣🤣
BWAWB CEWSY
I spit out my juice 💀💀💀😭
He was incredible....you may look a this highlights and laugh at his hook shots and one handed shots but stop and think for a second just how difficult those shots are to pull off....those were elements of the game then and he mastered them....had he been playing today he would of adjusted his style. Bob is arguably the greatest passer of all time...give him his respect. Plus, Bob was doing all of this without the trainers, coaches, resources, etc. that all of today's players have....Bob was ahead of his time.
The GOAT according to Mad dog
I know he never won a ring... But are we going to ignore the brilliance of John Stockton? He has a steal and assists record that no one is going to touch.
since he became a crazy person... yes
@@mucknar crazy person?😂 I’ve been under a rock what he do?
He was mentioned so nobody forgot about him lol
@@addielmoreau4469 he spoke about the vaccine.
true, but remember he played with Karl Malone for about 20 years......if some like CP3 played with Malone for that long he would have close to the same records
Magic said that if you wanna learn play the point, watch Stockton
His assists and steals records are unreachable and he didnt win a title cuz he faced MJ
He is top 5
Reverse racism ,J Stockton was one of the greatest of all time top 3 ,4 but because he wasn't Flashy and dunking he gets disrespected
@@jblaze1336 Stockton isn’t better than magic, curry, Isaiah Thomas or Oscar
He didn't win cause Karl Malone couldn't hit free throws not cause he faced Jordan
He faced the Bulls
Stockton without Malone is worse than Magic without Kareem, Curry without Draymond/Klay, Oscar without Jerry Lucas, Isiah Thomas without Joe Dumars/Bill Laimbeer. You could argue he is #5 but Chris Paul, Steve Nash, and Jerry West are arguably better
Bruh no way I’m ever ranking Jason Kidd over steph curry😂😂😂
How does John Stockton not make any of these lists?! The guy leads all time in assists and steals!! Played both ends of the floor and he was essentially Chris Paul before Chris Paul.
Facts
He is white and lost two chips to Jordan.
He was better than CP3
@@calthar13 same reason why stephen A gets so mad about jason kidd. Now do i think he is 4th overall. Proly not but he was something curry never was and never will be. A really good defender. He was also big. Like Russel Westbrook big at 6'4 so he would wear someone like curry out in playoffs and would run him flat over in the post because guards use to know how to play post. Now its like smart, holiday, and Westbrook and thats about it.
Yeah Stockton never gets enough love. He was a fantastic defender, passer, and nobody ever ran the pick n Roll better!
Mad Dog is one of the few able to out-talk Stephen A. These guys together are electric.
Yes but horrific takes lol. Purely entertainment
@@LukasP143 Your opinion
@@tolopo99 They said the same thing about max . Now he’s some intellectual god
Bob Cousey he used to dribble around the court with one hand.... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@drb5003 saying this is pretty idiotic they played in the 60’s the game evolves
I've always felt like Stockton is so underrated. NBA record for steals and assists and it isn't even close. He's the definition of a fundamentally strong point guard
Im glad someone said it, such a disrespect for Stockton. He is for me just a true Point Guard.
“Even Curry” lmaoo he has more than everybody on that list except magic 😂😂
1. Magic
2. Steph
3. Oscar
4. Isiah
5. CP3/Stockton
You got it perfect
Isiah better then Oscar
Yeah there’s no way Kidd is better than Paul & Stockton!
isiah has to be the second best pg ever. he literally beat 4 of the top 10 players ever to get his rings
No way is Steph higher than Oscar, Isiah and Stockton.
The way he said “Nash can’t coach” had me dead 💀
I was waiting to see if SAS was going to smirk
if you squint ur eyes, it looked like the good ol days with Skip and Stephen A
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I would take the toolbox from Texas over this guy.....
Maybe
Sorry, they both suck
My bad
Mad Dog is just Skip with a New York accent
I appreciate Mad Dogg's old school approach. A lot of the all time legends are underappreciated. That being said, he's a hypocrite for putting Steph Curry at 5 because he "only won one ring by himself" when he put the Big O and Jason Kidd above him even if they never won anything by themselves. Steph is definitely my #2 behind Magic.
Is steph number 1 now?
To put steph at 5 is blasphemous. Curry at 2 is the most respectful you can do to him. One and only unanimous mvp.
Jason Kidd over Steph? 💀😭
Could put him 3 because he doesn’t have a finals mvp which he should considering how good he is but doesn’t take control in the finals oftentime . Yet the lowest u can put him is 3.
dude needs to win a finals MVP...come and talk then
That point is spoken like a new era fan that only looks at accolades and watches box scores.
4 better than curry as point..curry better than 4 off the ball
This man is straight up comedy. Give the dude a contract on First Take!
Please no...
Bob Cousy!!!! 💀😭💀😂🤣😂💀🤦🏾♂️
It doesn't matter where Cp3 is top 5 or not, Everyone got they're own list
Same thoughts.
i’m really curious why walt frazier is never talked about as an all time great pg, won 2 finals and had some huge playoff/finals moments, but even the old heads i don’t hear talk about him and i figure there’s gotta be a reason
Yeah I wonder that too. Best I can tell he had a relatively short prime and never had the assist numbers that other PGs had. You would still think that the rest of his resume would allow him to crack the top 10 PG lists.
He's in the top 10.
He had a super great handle i watched those finals he was amazing suprised hes not talked about either he was really great one of the great players that can play in this era
Top 10 for sure.
Clyde!!! He really should get more love. He's basically Gary Payton with 2 rings.
John Stockton has to be on their no matter what the all time leader in assists and steals and nobody is coming close to those records.
These 2 together are gold!😂
Mad dog was trolling him 😂
Mad Dog is so funny! Great chemistry with Stephen A
1. Magic
2. Curry
3. Oscar Robertson
4. Isiah Thomas
5. Stockton
6. Kidd
7. Nash
8. Tony Parker
9. Cp3
10. Westbrook
Tony Parker over Cp3? Idk bout that
@@joshualee5282 he’s got 4 rings and a finals mvp
@@The614zekebecause they played on worse teams then the spurs for a majority of their careers and have better individual accolades, for example Nash has 2 mvps and stockton is the all time leader in steals and assist bar far.
@@The614zeke not as big as finals mvp, if he wins one then yea he will move up but not till then
@@The614zeke also Lebron has 37k points and 10k assist so no cp3 is not the only player to have done that
I’m thoroughly convinced they brought in Madd Dogg on First Take to just troll Stephen A. all show lol
I’m dead . Lol gotta love this guy
This guy mads Dogg the accent is the best man Stephen finally found someone to match his energy love that guy . Mad Dogg the beat lol
Magic, Isiah, Curry, Oscar, Glove, Kidd, CP3, Iverson, Stockton, Luka when done playing 😂
Iverson was a SG during his peak. Snow ran the point.
@@bgbambino true, but because Stephen a considers Jerry West as a point, i just had to mention AI 🙏🏻
Magic Oscar IT Stockton Kidd GP CP3 Cousy Frazier KJ
Luka will be higher when he's done lol.
Iverson lol that's who yall be overrating
Only UNANIMOUS MVP ever at 5? Nah
Playoffs is wher u become legendary unanimous so
Mad Dog knows his stuff man. Even if you disagree you can't say he doesn't know.
Magic is basically consesus 1 IT is basically consensus 3. Most ppl have steph 2 big o at 4 then that 5th spot is debatable. The funny thing is that this list is actually good for mad dog standards🤣💀
it's crazy to me that. Zeek isn't automatic 2 like my dude beat Kareem, Magic, Michael the goat Jordan, Arguably the best forward ever Larry Bird, Prime Wilkins, Benard King and Patrick.
J STOCKTON IS A BETTER PURE P GUARD THAN CURRY , YALL GUYS WITH THIS REVERSE RACISM HAS TO STOP
@Justin Gaines …, Facts people like to say MJ went through all those teams … nah it was Isaiah
Most ppl do not have Steph at two u buggin
I have Zeke 2 behind Magic.
Mostly young people put curry 2 because they don't know any better.
Mad Dog knows his NBA. Just because YOU haven't watched them play doesn't mean they arent the best,
1:26 That reaction is golden
I saw Jason Kidd in h.s. against DC Allstars at Univ. Of Maryland. Scariest thing I may have ever seen!!!! He was everywhere!! I thought he was on speed.
Either have Curry #2 or don't have him on the list at all because he's not a true point guard, but don't keep him on the list and also penalize him for not being a true point guard.
Also if you're talking about traditional point guards Stockton needs to be in the top 5. He lacked a lot athletically and he's damaged his legacy with the anti-vax stuff, but in terms of being a passer and a floor general he's easily in the top 5. So either go all in with guards who played the 1 and have Curry at #2 or go all in on traditional point guards and have Stockton way higher but Steph not on the list.
This list just changed the requirements for each pick in an effort to keep CP3 off it.
The fact that people think Stocktons legacy in basketball is damaged because he is specifically against the rushed covid vax (not anti vax in general) is a joke. It's a woke joke , shouldn't be mentioned unless you are a puppet of the corporate greed system we are all exposed to
This is a very solid point 🤝 Steph is indisputably among the BEST if we're talking about the Best Overall players that played the Pos1. The only argument that can challenge that was the fact that he's not really a Traditional/Pure/True PG, u really have to either Put him #2(anything lower is an insult) and he's not even done yet, or isolate him coz he won't fit those PG rankings 'Qualifications'
Lol the anti/vaxx thing does nothing for me who really cares 😂
But he’s not better then Oscar, magic, or Thomas.. period
How does OG have STEPH in an not STOCKTON... STEPH better player but not better PG...
STOCKTON may have been the Goat like MAGIC because STOCKTON was 9x NBA Assist Leader....
Top 5 Greatest Point Guards ..
No particular order...
Magic Johnson
5x Champion
3x Finals MVP
3x MVP
12x All-Stars
2x NBA All-Star Game MVP
9x All NBA First Team
4x NBA Assist Leader
2x NBA Steal Leader
IBM Award
John Stockton
10x NBA All-Star
NBA All-Star Game MVP
2x All NBA First Team
9x NBA Assist Leader
2x NBA Steals Leader
Chris Paul
12x NBA All-Star
NBA All-Star MVP
4x All-NBA First Team
7x All Defensive First Team
NBA Rookie Of The Year
NBA All Rookie First Team
5x NBA Assist Leader
6x NBA Steels Leader
Jason Kidd
NBA Champion
10x All-Star
5x All NBA First Team
4x All NBA Defensive First Team
NBA Co Rookie First Team
NBA All Rookie First Team
5x NBA Assist Leader
2x NBA Sportsmanship Award
USA Male Basketball Athlete Of The Year
Steve Nash
2x MVP
8x NBA All-Star
3x All-NBA First Team
5x NBA Assist Leader
4x 50-40-90 Club
Phonenix Sun Ring Of Honor
2x FIBA AmeriCup MVP
Lou Marsh Trophy
3x Lionel Conacher Award
I love Steph Curry but he didn't make my top 5 Best PG list because he is not a top 5 passer... Steph Curry does have Top 5 impact as a PG tho....
Steph Curry
3x Champion
2x MVP
8x NBA All-Star
NBA All-Star Game Mvp
4x All NBA First Team
2x Scoring NBA Champion
NBA Steals Leader
50-40-90 Club
2x NBA 3 Point Contest Champion
NBA All Rookie First Team
A PG is about passing...
Assist Leader
Stockon 9x
Magic 5x
CP3 5x
Kidd 5x
Nash 5x
Steph 0x
I made a mistake
Oscar Robertson
NBA Champion
MVP
12x NBA All-Star
3x NBA All-Star Game MVP
9x All NBA First Team
6x Assist Leader
Top 5 Greatest PGs
KIDD MAGIC OSCAR STOCKTON
Tied
CP3/NASH
Steph Isaiah an Glove Honorable Mention
Glove
9x NBA All-Star
2x All NBA First Team
NBA Defensive Player Of The Year
9x All NBA Defensive First Team
NBA Steals Leader
Isaiah Thomas
2x NBA Champion
NBA Finals MVP
2x NBA All-Star Game MVP
3x All NBA First Team
NBA All Rookie First Team
NBA Assist Leader
J. Walter Kennedy Citizenship Award
*Mad Dog is the only reason I’m watching First Take*
Well let if be
Steph at 5 is crazyyyyy
Anything lower than 2 is stupid.
Anything lower than 2 and I can’t take u seriously. Yes I’m a warriors fan
@@samhopkins3610 So in other words, you ignore defense and leadership which Kidd has over Steph. Draymond is the real leader of the Warriors and Steph can’t defend like Kidd did.
When Kidd was in his prime, his best teammates were Kenyon Martin, Richard Jefferson, & Vince Carter at the end of his prime. Those are good players but you can’t compare them to Kevin Durant, Klay Thompson, & Draymond Green.
@@Oridginale24 leadership is so arbitrary, you’re not in the warriors locker room so u don’t know that, and by all accounts Steph is a great teammate. Kidd is a better defender but Steph is 10x the offensive player that Kidd was. Is Marcus Smart better than Steph too?
@@Oridginale24 if someone right now said Mikal Bridges was better than Kevin Durant or Lebron they would sound like an idiot but he’s a way better defender. Is Kevon looney better than Jokic? He’s a better defender
1. Magic
2. Steph
3. Oscar
4. Isiah
5. Stockton
6. CP3
7. Cousy
8. Frazier
9. Kidd
10. Nash
Hon Mention: Tiny, Payton, DJ, Lilliard, Parker
Lillard?
@@fazed362 Top 15 PG of all-time? Yah, I'd say so, especially if he has a few more productive years.
You believe deep down in your heart that Cousy and Frazier are better than Westbrook?
@@Comictalent kyrie and Westbrook should be there before lillard, and future potential production isn’t an argument for a top 10 or 15 list. At best you can say lillard might reach it but he isn’t there yet
@@Kirbystare1992 No, they are nowhere near the athlete he is, but I don't believe you punish old players historically just because the game changes and players improve. I'm sure Cousy could never guard Westbrook one-on-one. But I also don't think Westbrook has had the career Cousy did in his era. I think both points matter.
Most people who disrespect Bob Cousy I feel like have never watched a full game of him playing. Watching him I legit think he could’ve EASILY played today
It’s just another form of recency bias. No one will obv be able to completely tell whether he could play today but I guarantee most that disrespect his name have never even seen him play
Lol I’m better than him ur crazy
he is one of the greatest
He would be a good bench warmer today.
Nah man, dude couldn't even average over 40% from the field. He'd be a bench warmer in today's game, and this is coming from someone that actually respects the OG players.
This is about what i'd expect out of a sports debate between two people from New York.
Am I the only one that doesn’t get this whole CP3 thing… what has he won?
exactly and he punches dudes in the nuts in college and in the pros
You’re a casual then look at his resume and context of his teams and competition
facts 😂 he’s good and makes teams better, but he’s never won a chip. if he ever does win a chip then sure top 5 all time for me
He hasnt won much but so hasnt a lot of great point guards in the history as the number 1 option. CP3 has been the best player on contenders for most of his career, is a consistent 20+10 guy and is the true definition of point guard. I have him behind Magic, Steph, Oscar and Isiah and tied with Stockton at 5. Nash and Kidd also did not have much team success as the number 1 option on their teams
@@Nick-pf5xo Kidd much better as a leader and defender. only thing CP3 is better at is scoring. Kidd went to the finals twice though as the main guy with not much talent like cp3, stockton and nash had. Kidd more versatile, can play more off the ball and can defend multiple positions than those 3. he did defend kobe, lebron, durant, wade and westbrook during the 2011 championship run.
I think if Kidd was in his prime with a prime Dirk. they could have won at least 2 championship.
CP3 was in a very talented team in his days with the clippers, rockets and even new orleans but was unable to get to the conference finals until last year where most of the teams they faced were without their stars.
Nash also had great talented teammates in his time with the mavericks, suns and lakers but he was a liability on defense and only emerge as a great player in a d'antoni type system.
Stockton had malone most of his career. They were a great duo but stockton never carried a team like some of the best point guards did. Malone was the best player during those Jazz run in the 90s.
1. Magic Johnson
2. Steph Curry
3. Oscar Robertson
4. Isiah Thomas
5. Jason Kidd
This is the top 5 PG of All Time for me.
i was waiting for this guy to mention meadow lark lemon
J Kidd is my all time favorite, so I can appreciate it
And u got dudes up here commenting talking about mad dog overrating him.. Nah Kidd the most unappreciated player of all time.. these casuals think u have to shoot 3 pointers like curry
Fav pg of all time also 🤙🏻
Top 5 point guards of all time
1. Magic
2. Steph
3. Oscar Robinson
4. Isaiah Thomas
5. John Stockton
1.Magic
2.Steph
3.Zeek
The rest is up in the air.
Big O 3rd, 4th Zeke
Thomas is not top 3
Steph is not top 3
This was a great list by Maddog
imagine having a top 5 PG list of all time and not having at least 1 or 2 of CP3, Stockton, or Nash....not having a single 1 of the 3 purest Point guards of all time
The John Stockton disrespect is very real.
Calm your horses. The list depends on who's making it. Mad Dog's list is about accomplishments and how the players rank compared to the other players in their own era.
Perfect list perfect honorable mentions
Top 10 Point Guards
1. Magic
2. Curry
3. Oscar
4. West
5. IT
6. Kidd
7. CP3
8. Westbrook
9. Nash
10. Stockton
Kyrie lillard is not an HM
Don't disrespect Russ like that 💀 and west is a 2 guard
Until Kyrie can play for someone other than himself. I think him being on any list is disrespectful to anyone else on the list.
Love mad dogs List / take ! Jason Kidd Most underrated Player of all time !
Curry is atleast 2nd if not on level with magic
LMAO ROFL
Nono
You must haven't ever played basketball with a dumb statement only thing Steph do is great is shoot the 3
It's spooky how much alike these two are. Loved this segment. Mad Dog just plain ol real!!
This is just a troll list 😂😂…except magic at 1
Most people have Oscar Robertson at 2 as well though
@@mehdi1163 bs
@@mehdi1163 most people who were alive after the 13 colonies have Curry #2
@@mehdi1163 no most ppl have curry
@@verifiedyessir2534 ESPN ranked best players all time last year, Oscar Robertson 11th , Curry was 13th. Most lists have Oscar ahead of Curry.
Mad Dog really is just a mad man.
1. Magic
2. Curry
I don’t care about the rest.
1. Magic Johnson
2. Oscar Robertson
3. Steph Curry
4. Isaiah Thomas
5. John Stockton
6. Jason Kidd
7. Steve Nash
8. Garry Payton
9. Chris Paul
10. Jerry West
This aged very well for Mad Dog -- despite the bad list.
Curry at 5 is horrible
@@kohsmoger1567 curry at top 2 is Better? Don't be Offensive.
Steph is a top 2 pg don’t care what anyone says
Jason Kidd the most unappreciated player of all time.. casuals basketball fans think u need to have to shoot 3 pointers like curry to be great.. Not understanding Kidd after magic Johnson was the greatest facilitator ever and can dominate a game without shooting a shot attempt
Y'all forgetting who the glove GP defensive point guard
He’s not a top 5 PG so hush
@@MannyParadisee better than Jason kidd
Man I love the mad dog and Stephen A chemistry. Just the reactions they give off each other is even funny af.
They just forget about John Stockton, career leader in steals and assists by a landslide.
He is the better version of Jason Kidd.
No rather have Jason he’s taller faster more athletic
@@guccisantanaaa7661 He's also less durable and an inferior passer and defender.
No chips
@@markarmage3776 Kidd with 9 defensive team selections? We talking about the same person? Passing I'd call it even, Kidd was flashier but Stockton more consistent. And durability, no debate, Stockton by a long shot
@@markarmage3776 your saying Kidd is an inferior defender ? 🤦
Honestly I don’t mind his list I would def put curry higher though but Kidd is highly underrated his game wasn’t flashy but dude was a winner and a killer
Who is here after CP0 choked game 7 and now realized why Mad Dog didn’t put him on the list.
Any clip, during which, Mad Dog presents a list is an absolute winner.
How much more does Patrick McCaw have to prove?!😂
I know, he three-peated!
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Who?
They should make an add of these two fine dining at a nice NY restaurant yelling back n forth at each other 🗣😂
Everybody 50+ agrees 😂
For me it's:
1) Magic
2) Steph
3) Isaiah Thomas
4) Kidd
5) CP3 (if he wins a ring, he can be 4th)
The disrespect to Stockton and Oscar is unreal. Both are better than CP3 and Kidd for sure
@@darkse1dd that's fair. I just have a hard time putting guys who played in the 60s on that list. There were literally 8 teams in that era, and the Celtics were pretty much the Mongolians of that time
@@darkse1dd Not Oscar. As great as he was, he couldnt sniff the finals before Lew. Kidd got his team to the Finals back-to-back, and while he lost both, at least it was to all-time great teams. The Lakers 3peat and the Spurs.He made Kmart look like an allstar
You can always count on CP3 to get hurt or choke along with making a team good on paper. He's not a winning player. He just fools everyone.
Even Jason Kidd would say the list is blasphemous for putting him ahead of Stockton.
I love mad dog. But John Stockton has to be in the top 5. Matter of fact top 3 on anyones list.
My God First Take FINALLY found a Duo made for the people!!!!
Stockton for his career avg 13pt 10ast 2st. Shooting 39% 55% 83%. Also, there was 16 seasons where he played all 82 games. Stockton is top 5
You cant be top 5 with no rings
good for nothing player..what has he won
@@XChronicHash Don't listen to these clowns, you can be top 5 without a ring. Look at barry sanders and debatebly Charles barkley
Cp3 and westbrook>>
@@ItsShowtime1924 Barkley isn’t a top 5 PF
Mad Dog is fantastic!
Speaking facts.
You’re the only one who thinks that
1. Magic
2. Kidd
3. Curry
4. Zeke
5. Oscar
6. CP3
Kidd is top 5 for sure. Arguably the most skilled passer to ever touch a basketball. The 2nd only to GP as the greatest defensive pg of all time. He was a 2nd coach on the floor and was a legit triple-double and rebounding machine when he needed to be.
When you’re a point guard who can only pass and aren’t a good scorer, you’re easy to defend. I like Kidd but you’re way overrating him. CP3 is a better shooter, a better general on the court, better scorer and just as good of a defender.
@@amitpalbains9361 not a good scorer? He's 12th all time in made 3 pointers and scored 17,000 points. Not sure how you reach either of those bench marks by being bad at scoring. Also..CP3 is brilliant as a floor general but Jason's leadership on the court was on another level. It could be a matter of preference but Olympic coaches & his peers vouch for his brilliance. He also won a ring (Chris hasn't yet) beating Lebron and the Miami big 3.
@@willjamesjr lol you must think I’m dumb trying to fool me with the wrong type of stats. Kidd averaged 12 points a game playing 36 minutes a night, yes, he wasn’t a scorer. On top of that, he shot 40% for his career from the field. That’s god awful. Don’t come at me with longevity stats.
Aw the great ring debate. Kidd averaged 9 points and 7 assists in the playoffs that year. Kidd wasn’t the reason they won. Kidd probably wasn’t even the third most impactful player on the team. It was Dirk and Terry, and then you can make a case that Tyson Chandler and Shawn Marion were more impactful then Kidd. He wasn’t even a great starter. He was a good starter and or you can say he was a great role player but that’s all he was. Kidd winning with the mavericks is like if Chris Paul joined the bucks and won a championship.
Mad Dogg is a breath of fresh air, because there's too much recency bias in today's media and older legends get forgotten & disrespected. Although he pushes the pendulum too far the other way sometimes, its necessary evil when Steph A says its blasphemous to not Chris Paul in top 5. He should be honored to be top 10-15 given he's never even been to final ever...
I actually agree jason kidd was better than chris paul
Nope
But not Steph cmon
SAS and doggy shouting arguments are gold
Stockton and Malone are so severely underrated for all-time great lists and I don't know why. Yes, they lost 2 Finals to the undisputed GOAT, but they lost 2 Finals to the undisputed GOAT. Also, the Bulls support players were far superior to the Jazz's. If the Jazz had Rodman, they'd win 5 titles in a row. Stockton is 1st in Steals and Assists all-time and doesn't make a top 5 PG list? That's just insane.
Facts I thought for sure Stockton would be on here
Cp3 is so underrated. People are always talking about his playmaking but not his defense, 9x all defensive team.
Mad dog: I have Steph curry at number 5
*Immediately Clicks off video
That's actually a good list right there.
😂 this man got Jason Kidd ahead of curry. Steph top 3
Steph only brings offense. Kidd brought offense, defense, & leadership. Curry is not a defender and Draymond is the real leader of the Warriors. Steph is a better scorer and shooter but Kidd was the better passer and floor general.
@@Oridginale24 if steph is on the floor, he is defending his best. Some people are just not built to be a defender. It is not as if Curry is a guaranteed bucket like isiah Thomas. His most underrated part of the game.
@@Oridginale24 steph has led the nba in steals before so he’s not a terrible defender. But there’s is no way u can argue Kidd over curry. It’s not even close
@@jaleelgoines9949 Getting steals is often about gambling but there’s so much more to defense than just getting steals. Iverson led the league in steals but he wasn’t a great defender. Kidd could actually guard the 1 to the 3 positions. Kidd was the most vocal guy on the floor like Draymond is for the Warriors.
Curry is playing in a Marshmallow era, and is injured every two months.
The disrespect to Tony Parker, 4 rings, finals MVP. Not saying he is better than anyone (Peak Wise) than the people on that list, but not even a mention? come on
Mad Dog is annoying but he's entertaining 😂. Bring him back!
Mad Dog isn't saying Bosh Spice or Westbrick. He'll criticize them but he doesn't resort to name-calling. That's the difference between him and Skip. He'll say Ayton is overrated but that's it.
I can actually respect this list a lot
Bob Cousy sounds like a character played by Will Ferrell
There’s probably 6 people alive that seen Bob Cousy play 😂😂😂😂
Thank you whiteboy Madd Dog for giving Kidd some love niggas be disrespecting Kidd and sleeping on Kidd
Chris paul lost again lol to the Dallas loll..he's. Not top 5
Stephen A. and Mad Dog Russo are so much fun to watch. Doggie needs to start giving Steph Curry more credit. He should be at least be #3 in that top 5.
He also screamed that Chris Paul has only been to one conference final when he’s been to two…
two conf. finals in 15 years is insanity