Mad Dog's A-List: Toughest NBA players include Kobe & MJ 👀 | First Take
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People be roasting Mad Dog but there's gonna come a time when we're old af and the kids of that generation won't even know or care about guys like Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzki, Paul Pierce, etc.
And THATS FACTS 40 years from now there maybe still only 2 or 3 players still being compared to a variety of players but your right about this one
Half of these kids already don’t care about them lol
And the difference is we will not disrespect current players the way the old heads do now
@@keynojuan Yes we will lol
@@monteellis4436 maybe you will but i won’t
Mad dog got that 70s-80s sports commentator voice/ cadence
He still stuck back there lol
Stephen A getting his own version of Skip Bayless.
@@kei2kei he was partners with Skip in the earlier years of First Take, so we could say he found a replica lol
@@imneveruploadinghere7180 Loud obnoxious OLD guy meets loud obnoxious MIDDLE-AGED guy? Yup, basically Skip and Shannon.
@@caper087 yup lmaoo
Mad Dog seems to genuinely make SAS bust up laughing every time he's on the show. They have great chemistry.
I've always found SAS's shouting and takes to be annoying but I agree when he's with Mad dog he has great chemistry. The bits with Reddick he doesn't shout as much either.
bruh, I have to turn my volume down when S.A and mad dog go at it
1:15 Mad Dog “remember that time where he passed the ball sliding and called a timeout in 74?” No tf we don’t Doggie you’re the only one old enough to remember 😂😂 respect to him for always holding it down for the OGs
Word he's literally talking to himself at this point 😂😂 but I love learning the history too
@@luisvalentin5039definitely. you gotta learn the history if you really wanna talk greatest of ALL TIME stuff and not just the current era. RUclips has so many classic games to go back and watch, perfect for the summer when the Finals are over.
I’m crying 😂😂 s/o to the OGs
😂😂😂😂
I remember that play and I was 11 years away from being born. I THINK it was part of a montage on the original NBA Superstars VHS but I'm only like 70% sure about that being where I saw it.
Elvin Hayes
Played 16 seasons and missed only 9 games. Also was a workhorse averaging between 37-45 minutes per game in 14 of those seasons. The Anti Anthony Davis/Kawhi Leonard.
The fact that he was a big men doing it and not paid millions of dollars is even more impressive.
Stop. Just stop. Kevin mchale played with a fractured bone for a whole season
@@iwishiwasthomasshelby are you serious
Great call.
@@angelmedina9077 yes. Look it up
@@iwishiwasthomasshelby it was the last 3 months of the season are you serious
The Rodman disrespect in this list is unforgivable
Yeah. He’s gotta be on that list.
Rodman is the best rebounder pound for pound
I'd disagree. Mad Dog said this list included mentally tough. The Last Dance proved that Rodman certainly wasn't always that. Mentally checking out during the playoffs, having to have your teammates knock on your hotel room, etc.
@@karimgreen8732 he was iron on the court. 5 titles. a big part of all of them. you need guys like that.
Ah but as Jordan said even though he wasn’t there mentally he was always there. After weekend of drugs drinking orgies and god knows what else he’d show up and run laps around the entire bulls team. Even after games he’d hop on tread mill.
How is Iverson not on this list dude was 160 driving relentlessly against the NBA when they’d pack the paint w actual centers and power forwards.
Facts
Can say the exact same about isiah Thomas.
@@JP-vz7fs the toughness he played with is even bigger because he was small. Would drive on guys with a foot of height and 100 pounds more, the team would have to hide his uniform because he wanted to played injured all the time
Facts. AI was a beast. Would have an even bigger field day in this era.
@@JP-vz7fs toughness isnt a size thing like maddog said could be mental and AI is mentally tough asf.
To be honest, I would put Bird on the list. He played through one of the most brutal eras in all of basketball. Was a champion and multiple time MVP. Talked so much trash. And along with that played injured with a broken back for years along with all of the other injuries he suffered through the Celtic laker rivalry.
Larry Bird should be automatically in the top 5 all-time list. Look what he did in an era with the Showtime Lakers, plus the tail end of the 76ers team (with Dr. J and Moses Malone). Bird had a lot less support around him than Magic did and still was able to win MVPs and titles.
@@Paulafan5 i still laugh at people thay says Bird should be removed from the top 10 to include Curry, they are on crack.
@@seriustraco is Because people think The Basketball era of the modern day is better and they can get Very Salty on a Grain so stupid.
@@Paulafan5 that’s completely false. The Celtics team he won chips with were stacked asf
@@Paulafan5 birds Celtics team is one of the greatest of all time so he had just as much help as magic
A lot of people in the comments section are saying this man is living in the 70s. Everyone needs to realize that the NBA has been around since before the last decade and a half. If anything, the last 2 decades of NBA play style has declined in toughness when you see the amount of fouls called. The NBA has been around 75+ years, it’s good to see someone on ESPN show some homage to many players of the past…
Facts
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@@elitedoggaming8635 😂😂 bulldog's finally won , now they expert's on all sports 😂😂
@@symeoncarter8144 💀💀
we will all be like mad doggy in the next 50 years lmao
There's literally a whole chart out there detailing the amount of injuries Kobe played through. None of them might not be as famous as the flu game but Kobe played through A LOT. I think he gets it.
There’s “literally a whole chart” for everything bruh 🤣
You can’t expect Jordan worshippers to put him lower than #1 in anything. Kobe played 20 straight years too… Mike retired three times
@@loganlawrence7764 Jordan is the goat but I would put Kobe number 1
Kobe & Mj were those dudes
As long as MJ and Kobe are on this list, i'm good 💪🐐
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Exactly!!! Nobody was as mentally tough as Jordan or Kobe (and you could throw in Larry Bird as well)
Facts. I dont know if they were physically the toughest but they were by far the toughest when you factor BOTH physical and mental toughness. I can’t even think of a close 3rd to them.
I mean when Kobe tears an Achilles and shoot a free throw is tough
rodman not being there was blasphemous... can guard all positions (just ask the likes of magic, mj, shaq), was out-rebounding the entire league for almost a decade at 6'7, and all of this while being a party animal for a good chunk of his career
Oakley Rodman Barkley Haslem Starks Stockton and many more I’m missing. So many mentally and physically tough guys through the years. Those are just a few that stand out to me.
And Bron
@@tennisonmanyonga4540 L
@@tennisonmanyonga4540 flopping is not toughness
@@joeymanny bro it's the game these days. If it really came to physicality not many gonna Bang with Bron
In terms of toughness…it’s Kobe over Jordan. Especially in terms of what we actually saw in terms of toughness. Torn Achilles, broken fingers, finished a game with one arm, disclocated shoulders, and the list goes on
exactly. Kobe is my goat but I don't even think it's questionable that he was the toughest player in the league, especially mentally.
Jordan flu game, 36 points in the finals, enough said
@@jaeyoung4233 Gary Vittie lakers trainer from early 80s to 2016 said that Kobe is by far the toughest player with the highest threshold for pain tolerance he has ever seen.
Facts. Kobe always played with some sort of injury. The man was a menace on the court.
@@brickgoon jordan was tougher no disrespect
I honestly like Mad Dog I’m young so you never hear much good about the really older players. He has me searching guys up that were much before my time and there’s great NBA knowledge there. Some of those guys were before their time but definitely not all .
At first I really disliked Russo but now I really like how he shows appreciation to the older legends we hear about the same guys, LeBron, Kobe, MJ, I do like how he brings up more of the more obscure players that not a lot people and the younger generation don’t know about
lebron?..🤣🤣 fluffy pig..🤣🤣🤣
Don't put Draymond Green!! LMAOO I love that shot Mad Dog took at DG.
I really like when mad dog is on here .. he gives us a different perspective and try to teach us some things but a lot of ppl don’t listen and think they know everything .. the man has literally watched more sports longer than some of us have been born .. but I can say sometimes he goes too far with the old school lol
Gus Johnson baby lol
Ben and Rasheed Wallace and Rodman should be there. That's my top 5. That duo for the pistons was the reason the Lakers lost that year which made kobe and shaq separate. Rodman one of the reason why the bulls were and still are the best record in the season that led to winning a championship. He pissed off alot of people and psyched opponents out with his taunts and physical tenacity. Honorable mentions which maybe I'd replace would Rasheed for Isiah Thomas. That man was the epitome of the bad boys. The reason why Jordan hates him to this day and why he had to elevate his game many years to beat them. Cuz Isiah toughness on defense and just despising his opponents on the court made him the most hated by opponents.
Rodman exactly
They did not make the Lakers split up. They are great and tough, I'd have Ben on the list.
Rasheed was definitely not tough mentally, you wisper something in his ear he would lose it and get a technical, hes the king of technical, you must be really dumb to think sheed was tough
Ben Wallace and Dennis would be on mine
You nuthugging media.. Pip just came from surgery compared to MJ's just having flu and you ptaise your Lord MJ to the heavens..
Mad Dog is the only one that can hold his own in a yell off with Stephen A
I knew it was gonna be a history lesson with this list lmfao
Isiah Thomas people!! The leader of the baddest team in nba history and let’s not forget that finals game where he went down and fought through the pain to score 25 in a quarter with a sprained ankle.
Facts
"Draymond Green is not Kevin McHale" mad dog's punchlines are hysterical
Basketball in the 70s, 80s and 90s was very physical. You could literally get in a fist fight and it MIGHT lead to a technical foul.
There is no way Isiah Thomas isn't on this list. Dude played a whole game with a broken ankle & was fist fighting with Karl Malone
I remember that game.. Thomas was a beast
Mad Dog hasn’t watched a game since 1990
Aye yo 😂😂😂
Kobe did make his list.....
And everyone else forgets that basketball was played before MJ.
finally Kobe getting some love in anything
Kobe always gets love wym. Top 3 most popular player ever
@@DFlowetry from the players yes, but since the analytics crowd came along, most of the media always disrespects him, they have him at the 10th place all time for gods sake
On god, sports media hates to give him his flowers
@@Capcaller300 They hate him so much Stern prevented CP3 joining him to protect their immaculate..
I’m in my 20’s lol and mad dog I swear be having me researching players every time he talks lmfao
The fact that u choose to do the research and learn, says alot about you lil homie, keep it up,, always be ready to learn so u will be able to challenge when the time comes..💯💯💯
real talk, its free knowledge all you're doing is adding to your knowledge of the NBA that most will not know.
i dig the mental toughness but to be real i would have rodman oakley mason laimbeer and barkley . guys were intimidated by them period maybe not so much rodman for intimidating but his defensive presence and rebounding for sure. offensive mentalist jordan number 1 kobe 2nd bird 3 zeke 4th and shaq 5th or wilt either order
same here... i guess it depends our definition of toughness
If you're doing the enforcer thing, I'd rate Rick Mahorn above Laimbeer.
@@paulfrantizek102 i can dig it 💪 but there was alot more enforcers some of who was low key but they would let you know . one example was terry cummings most of the guys mentioned would not dare mess with terry cummings . dude had that old grand dad hand strength when he shook ya hands and could give u the business if tested. Big dog antoine carr to name a few.
I would put Stephen Jackson. Dude was crazy.
I love how madd dog keeps these guys from the old days name alive 💯💯💯💯
You've got to find a spot for Bird on that list. One example: in a 1991 Playoff Series against the Pacers, his back was in such bad shape that he spent night between games in the hospital, where he was put in traction. Chuck Person, knowing Bird was in excruciating back pain, would pound on his back whenever he was guarding him. In one of the games, he was diving for the ball and slammed his face on the floor, breaking his cheekbone; he went to the locker room, and returned shortly thereafter. Bird finished that game with 32 points, nine rebounds and seven assists.
This is actually a solid list ngl. I had to do my homework on Gus Johnson, but I can see why he put him in there
How can anyone leave DENNIS RODMAN off this list ?! it's such a huge blunder that I'm not even gonna address KG not being on the list.
I def thought Dennis Rodman would have been a shoe in.
Kobe is tougher than mj
Yea I just made the same comment
This is my first time seeing mad dog. He has great chemistry with Stephen A, based on my first impression.
You need to watch more
He's a delusional old head who doesn't appreciate the players of today
@@Guyton1824 are You Salty And Delusional you probably Don't hear of Mad Dog in your Life.
I don’t know any of these players besides Kobe, MJ 😂 only Mad Dog would fill up a list with 3/5 pre 1980’s players.
Mad dog and Stephen A always got me dying lmaoo
I love Mad Dog! Great entertainment
Love Mad dog has made first take watchable
So happy that they cut Molly part from talking!!
Stephen A dressed like a principal😂😂
I love mad dog sas just loves having him on you can tell. No one knows sports history like doggie!
I love watching these two. Hilarious.
Rodman was also tough. Karl Malone, Moses Malone, Wilt, Shaq. There were a lot of tough guys
Karl Malone's character off the court is a pretty taboo topic these days
@@vulcanraven9701 im not gonna go on that for now
its not the subject for today
Shaq was a big guy, he wasnt the toughest guy. Also look at his interaction with Barkely, does that strike you as tough
@@briantep458
On tv vs on the court.
Mad Dog got me crying man 😭💯
i literally was oprahside not less than a second Stephen A already making my day just because this video LMAOOO 😂🤣🤣 0:31
That Gus Johnson putback dunk in the highlights was really nice 👌
Don't ever disrespect Rodman like this
How is Bill Lambeer or Charles Oakley not on this list. Along with Rodman.
Oak has done a lot of whining in recent years about Ewing. Maybe if he stepped up a time or 2 and gave the man some help the Knicks might have won it all.. 6 PTS and 4 Reb in big games against the Bulls..
I think in terms of lists they would make top 5 enforcers.
Over who? Who are you taking off that list? You gonna have 8 dudes on a top 5 list? Where they do that at? No honorable mentions over here
Laimbeer was mainly an instigator. Not really an enforcer. Mahorn was the enforcer
Laimbeer was one of the dirtiest players ever, not tough!
the face when mad dogg mentioned gus johnson lol
Great list! Michael and Kobe could be interchangeable on this list but yeah, pretty strong list.
Where are Bill Laimbeer and Rick Mahorn?
I love Mag Dog, giving us NBA History Lessons every time
Nice Video !
Love the Kobe shout out but id also add Allen Iverson...the dude weighed like 109 pounds and was beast
I will always have a soft spot in my heart for Derrick Rose. Dude was a thrill to watch and he attacked that rim like it owed him money.
Derrick rose prime was quality. but ur outta pocket involving him in the top 5 toughest debate
Man you done lost your mind, don’t ever comment on anything else ever again..
If this list is about the toughest players of all time, then where’s Ben Wallace on that list. To me I believe that he’s one the strongest and toughest players of all time, and was a force of nature on the defensive side. Also what about Shaq too?
In my list I used mostly guards bc the big guys are big lol only big guy I had on my list was Lebron and that’s more so for the expectations/ scrutiny aspect but he was still last on my list. but he has played through many injuries and gets hit a lot when going to the hole. I think Curry could get a spot on here too but it’s hard for me to put 7ft players on this list bc they dish out as much pain as they get lol
You know what, as hot a take Mad Dog takes. I’m glad he’s shining a light on some of these other players I know nothing about. I love the game that I just like watching how the game has evolved.
Prime Kawhi Leonard is slept on he’s a better defender than draymond imo
I'd add Reggie Miller...barely missed games...ran into BRICK WALLS every night coming off those screens...Reggie Miller.
Ben Wallace
@@lessthanaminutenbaclips7409 Ben was super tough!
Someone please tell me I'm not the only one who didn't know who Gus Johnson was 😂
He threw me off with tht 😂😂
AC Green played like 1,700 games straight. Most of that in LA... ...and he never slept with a Laker Girl.
*That's Tough*
At least when mad dog talks about players that I have never heard of because it's before my time I get to learn something new. Also it's nice for him to at least bring up other sports more than just football and basketball. PS I would put on A.I in on this list for me, admittedly that's my own personal bias. Ben & Rasheed could easily be honest list too if they want to talk about fist fights 🤣
SAS said he can’t touch Mad Dog’s list when it come to enforcers…when “big time” enforcers like Jordan and Bryant top the list. 😂
Mad Dog is still living in the 70s and 80s most of the time.
It's kinda good for TV tho. Most of these players ya'll never heard of its a learning experience.
Too many of the "personalities" on tv forget that basketball wasn't invented in 1995.
@@Paulafan5 but then you got guys like Mad Dog that act like the NBA ended in 1990
@@persistentlypathetic6820 and then we have guys like you that act like the Nba started in 2000...
Idk if any of those players compete with Ron Artest, Ben Wallace, Demarcus Cousins, Jermaine O’Neal, Shaq, Tony Allen, Bill Laimbeer, Isiah Thomas, Allen Iverson, etc
Larry Bird played 8 years with a literal BROKEN BACK. He had to get his back realigned and locked in place before each game from 85-92. The 1960s-2000s players were just built different mentally.
No way Draymond makes a top 5
Kobe was tougher than Jordan
Ben Wallace was tougher than Kobe.
@@Paulafan5 posssibly if you’re tlkn about being a “tough guy” then there are a lot of guys tougher than Kobe but I disagree that Ben was tougher than Kobe as far as pain tolerance and mental fortitude
It's kinda good for TV tho Madd Dog mentioning older players. Most of these players ya'll never heard of so its a learning experience.
This list is proof I’m not old enough to mess with Mad Dog. I’m thinking Bad Boy Pistons, Oakley, Artest, Mourning… he broke out Dave Cowens and Gus Johnson. He got it. 😂😂
Iverson could be there and even Lebron because of the many times he rolled his ankle or was hurt unknowingly to the public and he still played. Kobe most definitely, but when we consider
Mental toughness we need to redefine it when it comes to basketball.
Yeah getting carried off the court in the 2014 Finals with cramps is so tough. C'mon
Stop it with Lebron! The man couldn’t play through a cramp; he may be physically built, but he’s mentally weak.
LeBron is not tough..he's durable. But far from tough...I'd even say he's the softest physical specimen in history
@@angbrando7704 wow. What makes him soft?
@@jameskennerly4412 He whines...he had to be carried from a cramp..and Delonte West..
Iverson is top 5 toughest player. Period. Leaving him off is crazy.
This list is bulletproof
Good point about Rodman...The Worm made it an art form.
If we’re talking mentally and physically then these are my top 5:
#5 Tim Duncan
#4 Dennis Rodman
#3 Magic Johnson
#2 Kobe Bryant
#1 Michael Jordan
The most difficult one to leave off was Bill Russell because he at one point was the player/coach, dealt with racism on & off the court within his own fan base, and was unstoppable during his time.
Magic 😂😂😂
@@lessthanaminutenbaclips7409 yea losing your HC and switching position to C in the finals as a rookie, becoming one of the best icons, 5 time champion, literally would convince himself that he was a different person on the floor, could do it all, contracted aids and played while losing the respect, love, and trust from peers and teammates. Why not?
@@muddywaters2818 none of those things require a top 5 toughest person ever to do them.
@@lessthanaminutenbaclips7409 mentally and physically yes it does. Lot of players wouldn’t be able to handle losing a coach, switching positions from PG to C. Having everyone you know be afraid of you because of a disease. If you don’t think any of that requires mental and physical toughness then you’re just being ignorant.
@@muddywaters2818 there is nothing to handle when you lose an NBA coach. You just play, you don't have to be top 5 toughest players ever to be a 5x champion. You're very confused, there are players who won 5 rings and arent on the top 5 list.
Gimmie Ben Wallace any day. Stone cold thug on the court
John Stockton would be on my top five for this category, considering his longevity WITHOUT load management.
Good call actually.
1- Kobe( playing game 7 with a broken finger and shooting a free throw on a torn achilles) 2- Dave Cowens( for the reason Russo stated) 3- Nate Thurmond ( missed fewer games than anyone else ) 4- Isiah Thomas ( shortest player to ever impact winning as well as playing on an injured hip in the finals against the Lakers 5- Paul Pierce ( gets stabbed multiple times and reports to training camp 2 months later not missing a single in the season that followed )
Mad dog was good at first but now I’m getting tired of him and his prehistoric references
Would you like spend Civilized today as a Caveman like barbarian just as a Theme Party?
Teezy’s A- List toughest players of all time
Jordan ( no debate)
Kobe (no debate)
Curry (man gets bear hugged off the ball. People step under his 3 pt attempts no foul. Knocked to the ground every time he drives no foul. Still comes out and performs )
Bird
Dirk ( 2011 playoff alone puts him on the list)
Curry 💀
You really put Curry on an all time toughness list? Also, Dirk? Mannnn get out of here. Jordan, Kobe, Bird are all good choices. Jimmy Bulter and Rodman.
If u a warriors fan just say it
Horrible list
Call me casual but I swear is the first time I've heard about the last 2 guys in the list, Dave and Gus Johnson and the 3rd guy I kinda new it cause of the 30 for 30 documentary 'Free Birds' about the spirit of St. Lois and I've been watching and playing ball since 1998 and studying the game like JJ said, watching old games and series, still have work to do I guess lol cause doggy really goes way back
I guess his list is based on who will fight during the game.
Where is Ben Wallace? Where is Dennis Rodman? Where is Charles Oakley?
Top 5.. bunch of the league is going to be left out. It's personal preference
You can’t help but love this manic lmao
Y’all go look at how many years played and how many games John Stockton missed. That’s all I will say. It’s insane.
This is Dog's best list
Gosh this guy love the 1920 basketball
I don't know about these kinds of lists. There are tons of tough players that it just doesn't seem right to not mention in a conversation like this. AC Green who played almost 1200 consecutive games without missing a game. Dennis Rodman who was outrebounding absolute legends like Patrick Ewing and Hakeem Olajuwon and David Robinson, who were half a foot taller than him and way stronger. 6'7" 210 lbs and he lead the league in rebounds for 7 consecutive years during an era of legendary centers. John Stockton who almost never missed a game, and who broke his leg in practice for the Olympics and didn't miss a single game, coming back to play every game in the Olympics 33 days later, and continued on to play every game of the NBA season afterwards. Larry Bird, who played for several seasons with his back so messed up that most people would have never left their couch, and didn't even take any pain killers, and was one of the best shooters of all time despite having his forefinger on his shooting hand permanently disfigured very early in his career. Wilt Chamberlain who averaged more than 48 minutes a game for an entire season. The dude literally played every single minute for an entire season. Guys today will almost never play every minute of an entire game, and if they do they're so exhausted at the end that they can't finish and end up hurting their team.
It just feels like if you can't find time to mention these guys in the conversation, then your list of "toughest NBA players" feels completely empty to me.
I don't even know if I agree with MJ on this list. I certainly don't think I'd put him at #1. MJ was the greatest to ever play. But the toughest? I remember him sitting out games with an ingrown toenail. He was certainly tough on the court, no doubt. And he didn't miss games too often. But the toughest of all time? I don't think so. I'm not saying the man was soft. He was super tough. And I'm sure he would have shown up for a finals game even if he died in a plane crash on the way to the game. I just think there are people that were tougher.
Kobe for sure. He holds the record for most points ever scored with a torn achilles tendon. I remember him playing whole seasons with busted fingers.
And Draymond Green doesn't hold a candle to any of these guys. Draymond takes games off for rest days fairly regularly. He's only played 82 games once in his career, when he was 23, and then he was only playing 22 minutes a game. None of these guys I mentioned would ever take a game off unless they were very seriously injured and there was no possible way they could play.
Frankly, I don't think anybody in the modern NBA is really all that tough compared to guys like this. I honestly don't think this is just some retro "back in my day" kind of thing. I honestly think that today's NBA players are kinda soft.
The modern league pampers its players. There's almost no way a modern NBA player could be as tough as these retro guys because the league today is just not as tough on the players as it was back then. The culture today is me first. Think about yourself first, and your career second, and your team third.
I don't think anybody who started their career after around 2000 can even be in this conversation.
larry bird. played with a broken back. broken eye socket. played with concussion. no drama, no bitchin, no complain. and the legend would fight anyone.
The baseball guy lmao
Bring these Mad Dog A List back in 2024
How did he ignore all of the 90's knicks. That entire team was toughness personified
Steve Nash and John Stockton needs to be in an honorable list, those guys' toughness are off the chart
Stephen A fighting for his life to be “new media” 😂
Bird came back the same game with a fractured cheekbone and led his team to a victory, when he was 35.
Iasiah Thomas!! Played in the finals with a broken ankle!
ron artest, dennis rodman, charles oakley, ben wallace...jordan and kobe deserve this list but to not have rodman is crazy
Horace Grant, Oakley, Lambeer, Shaq, Rodman
Isiah Thomas, Wes Unseld, Kobe, Bird, MJ. Honorable mention to DWade & Cowens