Questions on how returning Goat Island to Aboriginal ownership helps Indigenous people
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2023
- Questions are being raised on how NSW Premier Chris Minns returning Goat Island, now Me-Mel, back to Aboriginal ownership helps Indigenous disadvantage.
“Which part of the land is not belonging to Indigenous people, so once you start down this process, where do you finish,” Sky News host James Macpherson said.
“But what I’d like to know is how handing over this small island in the middle of Sydney Harbour - they’re spending about $40 million of taxpayer money to rehabilitate it to give it back - how does this help Indigenous disadvantage.”
It's gunna get a lot worse if the voice gets in, vote NO
it will get in the bastards will lie on the vote.
that's a given
demolish all the buildings and infrastructure on Goat island then give it back with no tax payer funds to do anything after that
Yes it should be Nuked..normal Australians build it…
100%
Amen.
Yep. Give it back in the same condition it was before.
Before the colonists arrived and interfered. Right that the only structures should be the ones built by the aborigines. No ugly modern structures should defile the land.
@@sorbabaric1
They won't want it though.
3,278 Aboriginal corporations
• 243 Native title bodies
• 48 Land councils
• 35 Regional councils
• 122+ Aboriginal agencies
• 3 Advisory bodies
• 145 Health Organisations
• 11 Indigenous Federal MPs
• 12 Culturally important Indigenous days
• Taxpayers give $30B annually for 984,000 people (3.8% of the population)
• Expenditure per person in 2012-13 was $43,449 on Indigenous Australian compare to $20,900 on other Australians a ratio of 2.08 to 1 and increase from 1.95 in 2009.
Senator Price says Australian taxpayers spend at least $100 million a day on direct support for Indigenous Australians every year or $39.5 billion of direct government expenditure every single year. The figures are based on the 2017 Indigenous Expenditure Report produced by the Productivity Commission.
The Australian government is removing your property ownership rights, one step at a time. Every State in Australia has already sold off the Lands and Title Office, your original titles have been destroyed, and been replace with “digital certificates of title” this is not a lawful proof of historical ownership nor has it any legal weight, the value of your property is in the TITLE.
Source: Professor Matthew Bennett, spokesman for the Sovereign Court of International Justice (SCIJ) and International Barrister with a 25+ year legal career and an expert on international law.
Say ‘NO’ to the Voice and say ‘NO’ to a totalitarian republic they have planned for us Australians.
We need a Royal Commission into aboriginal welfare,some of the pointless waste I've seen is unbelievable.
Hear hear
@@johnkauppi7078 We could instantly save $316.5 million on that completely useless resting place shit in Canberra and give them a tin shed .!
Too right.
Stop all monies to this fraudent lot and see how they survive without WHITE man's taxes.
Should be a Royal Commission into Murdoch Media!!!
Giving away the island for no reason what- so - ever.
Just for show and fanfare, in ten years time we'll find out that it was never given back, that's how it's done.
No whites allowed
It will go from one government department to another, where a couple of indigenous representatives are present.
No white tax payer money should be given to them for whatever they want to do there !!!!!! iT IS NOW Aborigine,fund it yourselves !!!!!!
An advertisement tells us if the aboriginal people own the land the food would taste better. This is how crazy things have gotten!
it would taste better if you like witchetty grub flavour in every meal.
@winnielai7455- I any land is given back to the Aboriginals, any structures or improvements thereon should be demolished.
If they stall long enough in W.A. then the farmers won't be able to sow their crop. Non existing food doesn't taste like anything. This might just start a world wide food shortage. Look at how many nations buy Aussie Grains..
LOL yes the grubs and roos I suppose !!!!!
How much money was it worth. It belonged to all of us. Everyone. Just another crime against all Australians.
Exactly
Bulldoze everything on the island and clean it all off the island and see if they still want it after returning it to the state it was when they supposedly occupied it.
You think we'd be having this problem, if the people in power, would've included the first nations people, way back when this country was supposedly discovered.
@beepbeep6861 Everyone from every group is already included. Their is no first nation people, WE ARE ALL AUSTRALIAN PEOPLE. YOU DIVIDE US WITH YOUR FIRST NATION PROPAGANDA.
It is RACIST !!!!!
One Country One Law...or end up like Paris.
they want us to end up like Paris
Hey Danni girl, I see you're at it again.
What will happen to the elderly pensioner who cannot pay Aboriginal Rent..what will happen to him..will he be kicked out of his own house,will he be thrown in jail,Australians please say no to Aboriginal Slavery you can never keep up with the unreasonable, endless demands of these Aboriginals,just say No...
If Goat Island is attacked by China or Russia are normal Australians supposed to protect it or will the traditional owners protect it themselves...
Good question
They might just sell it to them. Can you imagine a Chineese Naval Base in Sydney Harbor??
You mean me-mel .......they will probably sell it well before it's attacked by anyone.
We have an unfortunate history of being dragged into other countries’ wars. The US industrial military complex keeps vilifying Russia as a bogeyman despite Russia having rejected communism.
We should declare neutrality and have the foreign military bases removed from our soil.
All Australians should be treated equally by law. The aboriginal welfare industry needs to be scaled back. There are numerous mixed race people rotting the system.
WHY are we just handing land back to these people ????? Britain colonized this country we all own this country !!!!!! What next ???? I hope NO white taxpayers money is funding anything they do there !!!!!!!
For a party that was once about helping common working class people, labour sure has become really twisted
All these words Reconciliation, Truth Seeking, Ukuru statement from the heart are just different words for getting your Land,Your Property ,Your Rights and zero accountability for committing crimes...
Yep
Yeah disgusting isn't, sounds a bit like ShiteNews running cover for paedophiles, murderers, rapists, misogynistic, corrupt govt officials and taxpayer!!!
They dont want your land just a tax from you for owning it.
@@mrphatmunkeyspew6969 like the land tax you already pay???
@@mrphatmunkeyspew6969who the fark are they to tax anyone, not their land.
Who said Aboriginals lived there ? And why do we have to give them32 million?.
😂😂😂
Asking Australians to pay the Rent on top of 12 consecutive rate hikes...and how much rent are we talking about $1000/month ,$2000/month...these aboriginals need to understand that Australians are not ATM'S ,we ourselves are struggling...
You will own nothing and be happy.
In NZ they are making a ruling in which Medical Care priority will be given on the basis of ethnicity..what that means is if a normal white male shows up in emergency with a severe chest pain and an aboriginal shows up with a mild sore throat all medical attention will be given to Aboriginal, the other one with serious issue will be totally ignored ..and that applies to public as well as private hospitals so if somebody thinks I am Rich,I can save myself by buying private Health Insurance, you are wrong..
identify as an Aboriginal, play their Game
vote for one nation
Treaties are between nations, not suburbs.
Stock it with plenty of goats, first, plenty to be found in Canberra!
The millions of people who have immigrated to Australia, wasn't to join the aboriginal people, but the Australian people and their culture. The aboriginal people should learn from this and embrace it with as much hope and enthusiasm as foreigners have done.
well said.
Race should be kept out of the constitution. Everyone should be treated equally by law.
The aboriginal flags should be removed from all public buildings.
A delusional “Flintstones like” view of ancient aboriginal Australia is being promoted by ivory tower dwellers in our society.
So you want first nations people to forget their culture altogether.
@@beepbeep6861 Your words not his.
@@daniellebcooper7160 At it again hey Danni girl, you just couldn't control yourself, do you speak for this person now.
Which tribe and which aboriginal person will own it?
It will go to some indiginous corporation run by rich white aborigines.
It will be owned by Kingbillycokebottle from the Wherethefuckarewe tribe
Give them time to make that up. They have not got around to it yet. Been too busy copying from the USA, Canada and nz, not an original thought amongst them.
@@timwilson4684Brilliant.
The indigenous people who claimed the island probably had 2% indigenous ancestory or none at all
Probably born in the uk to English parents like Pascoe.
Great so we cannot step foot on that now as well as the rock the mining town in WA, and some parts of national parks, and they want a YES from us, lol. If you want something from someone you give them something in return not take it away!
they weren't even the first here....
True. Those that were here were wiped out by the ancestors of those that call themselves First Nations.
@@paddlesmcbean2366 research Pigmy Aboriginals in Australia. Yes, they were wiped out.
Before Labor there was hardly any rate rise,before Labor the power bills were manageable, before Labor everyone was Australian, now rates are up,power has become unaffordable and everyone is now English,French,Italian,Japanese,Chinese,Indian,Aboriginal, Torres Strait Islander...SHAME on Labor..Double Dissolution NOW..
No to the voice
Why didn't Chris Minns gave them his own house and his own hit wife...why giving away stuff that belongs to others..
Abos will love his wife
Im white Im not sorry
Poolaroo💩: statement from the arse🍑💨
I’m white also and I too am not sorry.
I’m not sorry either!
Thomas Mayo
A leading “Yes” campaigner for the Voice to Parliament hopes it will be a step towards getting non-Indigenous Aussies to “pay the rent” for living on Australian land.
Not all Indigenous Aussies are Black. You have 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Generation White born. They are also Indigenous. I wonder if they'll count.
If Thomas Mayo is a leading "yes" campaigner for the Voice to Parliament then it is over - shut the gate - referendum vote is a NO
@@timwilson4684 : Yes he's THE leading campaigner and drafted it.
@@buildmotosykletist1987 It's over.
Pay the rent? What's the $38 Billion per year paid to them, then? A gift?
I call this voice the Phantom Voice.
Minns seems to be under the impression modern aboriginals are going to re-establish a small tribal village there and return to a life of spear fishing
The issue has become sickening. Australia is for all people, no matter who owned it long ago before. That's the world all over. The world is now different reality to what it was before.
Unless we stand up and fight this injustice all hell is going to break lose !!!!!!
Why is our country give to 2% of Australian, What about the rest of us, What about my heritage, without it U wouldn't have this rich country
be quiet and pay your rent
@@kerrybarnes7289 back at ya..
Now Goat Island is in private hands, how much land tax will be applicable and who will pay the bill? When they don't, will the island be sold to pay the outstanding debt, like happens to any other citizen when they don't pay?
How much taxpayers money did it cost to hand goat island back,l bet it was millions, and who got these millions, some land council or fat cat public servant, the guilt industry is one of the biggest industries in Australia, it cost hundreds of billions and does nothing except make a few people very rich off taxpayers money
There are no aboriginals alive today with any relationship to Goat Island.
No doubt when they get it, it will be sold to developers for billions.....
They want it, let them restore as they want it. Would not be too many volunteers, that involves work.
Will it be returned to its original pre white settlement condition?
No Aussie is going to eat sugar-coated manure,we are not stupid,we have come too far ro divide the nation now...we are one and we'll stay one,No to divisive Global Activists masquerading as politicians, no to big corporations who just want division, confusion and big tax breaks,No to to evil,divisive, racist Voice
You've "hit the nail on the head", in my humble opinion. Divisive, plus confusion, evil, well said. 🙏🌿
Wonder what happens to the anti discrimination act.Simply vote NO for the sake of All Australians
Finally the Senator who continues to show disrespect towards emigrant non indigenous culture by continually wearing a hat inside parliamentary buildings- speaks.
Senator Pat Dobson’s claim that if the Voice Referendum is defeated it will undermine Australia’s standing on the world stage is rubbish.
If the voice referendum is defeated it will prove to the world that Australia is not a racist country and Australians will not tolerate the seed of racism being planted into the Australian Constitution.
The essence of the Voice to Parliament concept is clearly about enshrining a permanent constitutional separation between the Australian peoples who are already all participating in a racially inclusive society.
Keep the Aussie family together.
Vote “NO”.
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I wonder if the 'Man with the Hat' ever goes to the local RSL.
I thought it was a magic hat
This is not any other countries radar. It's all a lie .
just a step up from neanderthals and since they to don't work or play well with others and won't develope but make up excuses to steal... various tribes had centuries to set up a society, would not set up laws or even a mode of communicating with other tribes.
"culture" of non-culture.
I couldn't give a toss if our standing is at ZERO we the people AUTRALIANS have as much if not more to keep our lands !!!!!
If you don`t know..........VOTE NO !
Especially as they are not the traditional owners, or native to Australia! Try PNG. That's their native home. Sick of this crawling to them and handing things to them that they have no right to, so they can demolish it and not care about it.
You vote Labor..... and you get this crap.
If Australians vote Yes this will only be the start.
The old fashioned saying in this country of a fair go will be long gone.
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NO NO NO
Let's all Join LNP and also tear that repugnant Treaty Qld's Barren Refugee Premier is signing with the aboriginals which will lead to a lot of Qlders losing their houses , other properties as well as access to a lot of roads,parks,rivers and highways...
Devolution is a terrible idea. Take it from an Englander.
They should maintain it with the proceeds of what they earn from native title stop expecting tax payers to fund your lifestyle. I’ll never buy a house in this country I sold my house and will never buy another one until this voice is defeated.
Just another crime against all Australians.
Thats exactly how I feel why Maori not recognizing Maori women got the vote when ÑZ women got theirs, the first country in the world to do something I was really proud ofm The men already had it.
Yes lots of renaming of places. All the government departments only have Maori names and now it is road signs. If we are lucky there may be English on some of them but likely just a picture.
Everything that is not working in their life is due to colonisation. Thats not exactly how it happened re interpretations keep coming and seldom benefit any other culture.
The fact that all iwi or tribes had their own language non of it written. I did 3 years of Maori studies in the 80s and how things have changed. There are Maori Schools here thats fine but they want Maori as part of the curriculum and our children need more help with the basics as I understand it so do many Australin. Maori are rewriting a large part of the NZ history curriculum from their perspective. There's is an oral history. Not even how it happened here
Sorry about the rant but I have family over with there. Don't agree with all you say but be very careful re the voice.
Real historians who do their research are invaluable. Good luck from NZ
Please, cede Rattlesnake Island to them, too, it is under utilised, the Airforce can drop off some groceries during their exercises!
It has become a world of woke, feeling instead of reason or truth.
It helps the indigenous to give them Australia back. It will make them insanely rich per capita, even the Saudi's will be envious!
I’m voting no to the voice. So is My family and everyone that I know. A big no to the voice. Never, ever. No to the racist voice.
Actually this might set a positive precedent for the UK. Government must return all land to the original Anglo Saxons.
That would be the first people who were able to get across the English Channel just like the first Indonesians to make it across to Australia thousands of years ago.
The Anglo Saxons are Germanic settlers from Germany, the Welsh are the native Britons.
@@Blaidd7542 sorry about that. Then the government should return land to the native Britons. Best wishes for the Welsh heros defending their hotel from illegal alien occupation.
This is just the tip of an iceberg, Labor will give all of Australia to the Aborigines eventually.
And rightfully so or you'd rather the Chinese buying it up.
@@beepbeep6861 Only if they are the highest bidders, they can't take it back to China with them, they are only allowed to buy newly constructed housing. Renters don't care who owns anything so they will probably vote for the stupid Voice.
Cause the Chinese won't march right in as soon as we've left right?
@@Blaidd7542 What?
@@beepbeep6861 Australians won’t stick around if Australia becomes an apartheid state, and whatever defence whoever sticks around can put up against the CCP will be a joke.
The State Government Constitutions have no checks or balances since
The Australia Act 1986.
This was the year when Australia was separated from UK Privy Council.
The Federal Constitution was the most notably affected as all recourse to Appeal to the objective processes of the Privy Council.
Labor had to take Revenge for the Dismissal of Whitlam, who had been found to have Exceeded Executive Powers granted within the Federal Constitution.
The Referendum is seeking to further diminish the Power of our Federal Constitution. The Power of this Constitution is that it Over rides any Politicians have through the Parliament.
It was designed to stop the Politicians making Power Grabs.
This is the reason they need to hold a Referendum.
To give the Citizens of each state the right to veto it!.
In short the Referendum is an attempt at a Power Grab by Politicians .
This is why they will not tell you what
is intended by the Constitutional Change.
Most past Referendums have failed because people have seen through the veiled "Power grab"
Or they instinctively had grave doubts about the real reason on offer for the "Change".
In short, :
"If in doubt, throw it out".
Vote No.
@kathleencook3060- for your information, a referendum is being held because it states in the Constitution that this matter must be decided by referendum.
@@judywaddell6065 Referendums are mandated so that the People can maintain the Power to check any Politucal attemprs to Change the Constitution which is the Rule Book, or Social Contract that is established for the
"Peace, prosperity and Good Governance for all Australians.
(Australian Constitutional Law101)
What do we expect from Labor governments .
Its a disastrous proposal to start with..it's asking people whether they would like to become second-class citizens and would they like to forfeit everything they have including equal access to Medicare, Centrelink, Oldage pension and access to natural and Givt resources, even things like roads,Highways won't be accessible to people if this divisive Voice passes through
Part of it is like that already, you cant go into Arnhem Land without a permit from the aboriginal council
How many boys died at Gallipoli to preserve Goat Island and every other part of Australia? Do their descendents require welcoming to this country?
WE CAN'T JUST HAND STUFF OVER!!!
Can they sell it to Gina Rinehart if they want to? Can they destroy all the heritage buildings on it if they want to? Do they have to pay land tax and rates for it?
And no boats or ferry’s to go out there
They can build bark canoes to get out there
No problem, give it back to them , level the joint, pull the electricity out, knock down the wharves then they can visit the joint in their dugouts.
Exactly give it back. 😂😂😂
Vote no to treaty , reparations, racism
We need to give Australia to Indonesia, they were the first migrants to Australia, what do the so called Aboriginals think about that ?
Where we talking about a load of it ..here we are.
First Question we want answered is ...who qualify as an aboriginal, if a person claims aboriginality on the basis that his great great-grandmother was aboriginal and the person is 100% white,will he still be considered aboriginal, if yes what happens to the Coloniser in him and what kind of disadvantage are we talking about in his matter...
Exactly. And the worst part is, it's these wannabe aboriginals that are only like not even 10 percent aboriginals, that are the trouble makers. Give me give me give me. Should be at least 50% aboriginal to even claim you are one.
Don't worry. This only the Globalist trying to destroy our Nation from the inside. Many First Nation People don't want the Racist Voice.. We will not except Segregation. And no, I'm not first Nation. I came here from Germany on my fathers passport when I was 5. But I do watch the News.
Amazing no matter how small the percentage of aboriginalty. That always wins over the rest of their DNA makeup. I wonder why, benifits?
If you claim to be the first nation that is fine and if you have FN blood and don't claim, that's fine also.
Just hope people will WAKE UP and realise the seriousness of all this
What they need to do now is remove EVERY THING from goat island then make it just like it was then give it back to them, then let's see how much they want it.
Is that where Burnie live with her indigenous buds live I heard it is a labor party love nest
The state government should lease the Island to a Hotel chain. Let them build a hotel resort and pay all the people of NSW a yearly rent . Giving it to Aboriginals will only end up being a drain on the rest of us.
Too Late..............
@@bluddyrowdy8757 Agree Alboverseasy has decided hr has the right to hand it back the simpleton, I don't know what happened to him he used to be a good statesman but I think he's had too much Ganja
I wonder which truth telling it will be, Bruce Pascoe perhaps???? They now have a wonderful island slab bang in the middle of Sydney Harbour to turn into another pay to see Midden made from empty VB cans.
I live in WA, I'm from NZ originally. To me this is history repeating itself. Don't fall for this, it just gets worse.
The buildings need to be demolished and land restored just the way it was, the planned $40 million restoration works is nonsense if this place means so much as a spiritual meeting place as is claimed.
Look. At the connection to of the activist to the United Nations and the WEF
I thought Aborigines didn't own land? 30,000 years they've been in Australia, and done nothing with it.
Maybe they were happy the way it was, until the British turned up.
No one says they have to live in evil British houses with plumbing and electricity. Plenty of Australia with no evil white man for hundreds of miles.
Vote No to this divisive, racist , treaty , reparation, so called voice
Vote No
It’s Goat Island, Fraser Island and Ayres Rock!
You can call these places, whatever you, but at the end of the day, these places belong to them. 😂😂😂
Tell them that live in one of the richest countries in the world
Look at be native title and land rights pass in NSW parliament's and handling out across Australia
I thoroughly agree that Goat Island should be given back to the traditional owners. However, before this is done, the Colonizers must go to Goat Island and remove every single piece of construction, preservation, improvement that they have done to this piece of land. So that when it is returned to the traditional owners under the traditional name of Me-Mel, it is returned to them in the same pristine state that it was before the Colonizers ever sailed into the stretch of water that became known as Sydney Harbour. Then we must round up every Indigenous person who is taking or using any form of advantage or artifact that the Colonizers have introduced into this Country since Invasion Day on the 26/01/1788, and settle them on Me-Mel. We must ensure that they take no Colonizer artifacts or equipment, or food and fresh water with them, no colonizer clothing, sanitation products or any other item that can be construed as a Colonizer invention. Finally they can take Lidia Thorpe and that other Indigenous elder Bruce Pascoe and set them up in the Village Humpy as their Leaders, with Linda Burney as their political advisor.
And the Indigenous should compensate and say sorry to all the home invasions since.
They are not the traditional owners...There is proof that the traditional owners were wiped out by the invaders called aborigines!. Do your research. They don't own this land, traditional or whatever bull you spruike!
But they must pay rent to their own people for living there.
Linda won't go there. She'll say but I have Dutch heritage too..
@@horstwestpfahl2459 Who the Daffy Duck is Linda?
Annnnnd let’s see how long it’ll take for them to run it into the ground
Any updates on the Pandemic Investigation in Australia?
So does that mean that the "colonizing, genocidal" non-indigenous people will have to cover the costs of maintaining the island?
BWHAHAHA!!
Why do land access rights not apply to walkers on Abo "sacred" p¡ss¡ng sites and mountains?
This sounds absolute nonsense. It will end up to be a complete disaster. Vote ‘NO’.
i have dark hair can i have a new landcruiser also
I thought Mt.Warning is just across the boarder in NSW .any comments?
Yes it’s in northern nsw… I’ve walked it … it’s beautiful
MT warning is in NSW…
I live in South Australia and have no idea what the SA Voice is all about ?????
no body does
Nothing wrong with educating oneself.
You all sis should stop worrying about them
Fine.. let them maintain it on their own dime....oh wait
I bet someone uses goat island to make a lot of money that won’t be shared.
The North Shore Snob Tossers can look out at Me Me Island and massage their Feel Good Selves. 😂😂😂😂😂
you mean westy mob...
Actually most people in the North Shore I’ve spoken to have said they would be voting No! It’s mostly the inner city lefties that are going to vote Yes! Particularly in Melbourne
Truth telling? That would get ugly. The British population have got some truths for the telling. Reparations? For Gallipoli? Western front? What about those burned in tanks in the middle east?
maybe the Aboriginals are going into ship building. we might see a Sub before 2050
Oboe Island.
Coonabarabran cheese.
It's great that was part of the election promise 😅😂😊 what a load of crap