Excellent series of four videos on the Discover 4, Andrew. To the few critics who claim your support crew moved rocks and or gave you hand signals and such, this is what any intelligent person would do in any off-road situation where it might be necessary to prevent damage to the body panels or the underside of a vehicle. Even a Mercedes Benz Unimog needs help over some obstacles. To all of the above, you prove yourself in this series of videos and your various other videos to be an excellent, high-skilled off-road driver. Well done all the way around! Thanks for posting this series of videos on the Land Rover 4, Andrew! (Andy McKane. I've finally completed moving from my former home in Springville, Utah to Maunaloa, Molokai, Hawaii.)
I have a LR 3 discovery which I use daily for my steel fabrication work . I almost always have a 4.5 x 2.2 m trailer in tow . I have the rear kitted out with tool boxes . All in when the trailer is empty Gross weight is 4300kg , the land Rover deals with this effortlessly and returning around 25 MPG . These vehicles are AMAZING .
I like this man's videos, he is really expert and he helps me understand what car is better for serious off-road and how it affects comfort or normal use. He is brilliant.
Andrew, I have watched in the last couple of days a lot of your footage and `I simply love it - for a couple of reasons... you say your genuine personal opinion and you admit your own mistakes and you are able to rethink, but more importantly for as someone grown up in Africa your footage inspires me to get back into a rig and back into overland journeys ... (it has been a long time....) BTW: I can understand why you feel more relaxed after crossing the border .... Thanks a lot for that ....
sticker well earned I'd say, testament to the LR D4 stock vehicle, could be a serious contender if it was kitted out like the defenders.fair play, cracking mini series
Shows what a great platform the LR4 is to build the most comfortable, very capable overlander. Put some lift rods, sliders, and steel wheels with big Coopers on it and that is a dream offroad machine for the entire family. Inspires me even more to start my LR build very soon and take the grandkids on some real adventures. Great video.
Same for me - I got my 2016 Disco 4 "Landmark" last August - one of the last of the Disco 4s with only 34k miles on the clock and looking brand new. I have put another 10k on it since then, though - lovely vehicle. 👍 Loved what you said in the first video about being more relaxed when you leave SA - I feel the same way when I cross the channel into mainland Europe.
I've watched this series tons of times, can't get enough! excellent stuff, i believe the disco is built for this kind of stuff & more than what people give it credit for! look after them & they'll look after you.
Very technical trail and the car performed exceptionally well.Many thanks to your persistence and help from support team.Always a pleasure watching your videos
+Drew Byron Meadows Oh dear! That was not the idea. LR4 is brilliant in many ways, but it should make you a LR man. Not all LRs are this good/bad. But then, I am vehemently against brand loyalty in any shape of form, as it fogs the brain.
+4xOverland Fair enough, I actually like that outlook, I am impressed by any manufacturer that will make a product that actually performs as advertised in this day and age, and we could all do with a bit less brain fog.
Very difficult sitting at home watching this with my rig parked outside and not being able to do this run with all of you. Especially for someone like me that grew up in Senegal and Kenya. But I can't help but think...there must be a rule of thumb out there regarding how often or how high rocks must be stacked to qualify or disqualify a vehicle from being "perfectly capable" for a given section of track. But teamwork gets all rigs through and the argument can be made that's how any rig gets through what's put in front of it. It becomes part of the fun. Not just the capability of the vehicle, or the driver, but the mates who are with you. I mean, the ones that bring the beer.
Rule of thumb stops at a bulldozer making a path. The fact that that SUV made is is extraordinary in itself. Moving stuff around to make a path easier of safer is everyday 4WD stuff.
But he was driving a bone-stock 4x4. That pass was one big pile of big rocks. Even the Defenders, which were modified for the terrain, still didn't have enough ground clearance for some of those rocks without some smaller rocks in front and back, they just didn't film that because the video wasn't about how well modified Defenders perform. You have to admit it is surprising how little damage he collected along the way.
One of the best videos about Disco 4! I only want to remark that the Disco 3 would have been able to perform as well and less stomach ache if damaged. I will keep mine for long. Keep on rovering!
I have been recently watching more and more of your videos and I have to say it is really good quality and just plain fun to watch... You have inspired me to take on more off road challenges like this Baboons pass.
Its quite interesting this trip ... You starded out with all your '' bad intentions '' to see the LR4 fail but in the end the one who almost failed was the driver .... The look on your face once you completed your trip was like a marathon runner who had been running for 3 straight days ... Super impressed with the LR4 ...
@reg bell: Those exterior damages were inevitable, no matter what car you use (unless you drive a Suzuki Jimny). Due to the sheer dimension of both vehicles, a Rubicon would've suffer the same wound as the Disco. Also, I don't think a stock Rubicon could pass without relocating the rocks (whether to clear the path or for better traction). I believe the Disco has a more sophisticated traction control than a Rubicon.
Actually the two-door Rubicon would have been fine and Rubicon doesn't have traction control it has front and rear lockers from Factory and electric sway bar disconnects Factory and solid axle articulation minimal wheel lifting. Much much much better off road oh and smaller wheels so you can purchase thicker rubber. This is coming from a die-hard disco series to fan by the way I'm not just talking good about Jeep
I've owned 'nearly' every mainstream Land Rover model there ever was except for Series 1's, 101's or any of the Range Rover's after the 'sharks gills', for me the most impressive of the lot were the Discovery 3 and 4. Not because they were any more capable than the others but because even though they are what they are, ie 'luxury SUV's' they can still perform off road to a remarkable extent and I was left deeply impressed by mine. Of course, I'm happier in my 1963 S2a 109 but I'm probably not quite right in the head anyway...
Has never broken down ever but I have three amigos sensor issues Find a good mechanic that doesn't cringe when you say landrover I have a good one Before I would call and they would make a crappy remark my guy said good year has injector issues though He's my guy. I bought it with 100,000 miles for 12 k loaded but it was a dc vehicle stop and go needed to stretch it's legs and needed a good intake and injector cleaning. They do need premium gas super only and a good additive does it good like Lucas oil I love mine and she's paid for but wish I had bucks for roof top racks and military trailer Some day If you need more info let me know. Also what state you in?
I'm in Va. And your welcome Any more info needed let me know. One thing that I like about rovers they are comfortable and very capable as stock. Just need good tred.
That was very exciting to watch. I always knew LR3 or 4 is an amazing offroad vehicle. I hope I'll be able to own one in near future. Combination of comfort and capability is just astonishing. However I'm still a bit afraid of reliability regarding huge amount of electronics and air suspension. What do You think? I hope next generation of LR still will be setting standards for offroad vehicles that You can use in every day life as in an epic offroad adventures.
Get the LR4 XS (base model): No air suspension (simple coil springs), no sunroof (to leak after 10 years and add unnecessary cost and weight), and cloth seats. Has the least amount of gadgets too. Probably the LR4 model pick in terms of no-nonsense Spec.
I just bought a 2016 LR4 to do some road trips with my wife who ‘will never got off reading’.....I made the right choice...now about the Bushwakka trailer I have convinced her that will be luxurious....
Wow, what an amazing vehicle. Well done LR. If you could just sort out your reliabiity... Friend's Disco 4 died at the top of Moteng Pass the other day - burst something in the radiotor piping. We limped to Oxbow and tow truck guy said he "tows lots of the oval badges back to SA". Such a pity that reliability spoils what could be the best 4x4xfar.
This is spreading FUD... I have had 2 Land Rovers - both LR's (Discovery) a 3 and a 4 both had well over 100,000 clocked and regular maintenance both were as reliable if not more reliable as any Jeep (had two of those as well, one was far less reliable and not nearly as comfortable as either of my Land Rovers the other was about the same in reliability but no were near the same comfort level). If you maintain them and fix what needs to be fixed as soon as it needs it they are as reliable as any make out there now... I know its not so much fun to say but the truth often is that way I have found.
Andrew I've been finding your video series very interesting and love watching them I sure wish I could buy a Toyota Landcruiser like the one you built up earlier in the series here in Canada. I do a little 4x4ing with my Chevy Colorado but the bulk of it with my side by side though I'm thinking about trading back to a conventional 4x4 ATV in the future.
Again as above - To do Off-Road safely (and correctly) you need at least one spotter / helper and in this type of terrain, you need several. You go and try this by yourself and see how far you get!
Calum Brown there are always british people who think they make the best this or that... even though their this or thats fall apart around them. my god so annoying. i'v driven an 80' lada niva that performs for atleast equal. and lada niva's were even 20 years ahead with automatic 4x4 features on western made vehicles. i'm from the west but was impressed from that lada niva. much more car for your buck.
This is a luxury SUV. And that was the point of this drive. Comparing it with a Lada (which could also do this pass BTW) is pointless. But the Niva a horrible piece of crap, costs pennies, unreliable, uncomfortable and an altogether terrible vehicle. And a Jeep JK is a real off roader, NOT a luxury SUV. So again, making a comparison is pointless. Could a Land Cruiser 200 or Jeep Grand Cherokee make this pass as the LR4 did? Maybe. Could a BMW X5, Audi Q7 or Volvo XC90 do it? Never, ever, unless a helicopter was involved. This is the point of this drive.
you stick with lada pal and we'l stick with land rover, iv had toyota hilux surf, land cruiser , discovery 4 and now have 2011 range rover 4.4 vogue and 2011 freelander, i can tell you strait id have land rover over all of em , shit ! i forgot ive also had 2008 shogun elegance and had them all off road. in britain if you look at old 4x4s on the road like before 2001 , by far the majority you will see will be land rover !!! THATS NOT PUBLIC HOUSE TALK EITHER
@@overland-workshop Very well stated, Andrew! My wife had a 2014 Grand Cherokee Overland diesel. We bought it new. It spent way too much time in the selling dealer's service department between April 2014 and January 2019. Debbie loved her Jeep, but when it came to deciding which of our two Utah-based cars we would ship to Molokai, and which one we would sell in Utah, Deb quickly made the decision to sell her Grand Cherokee. Why? There are no new car dealerships (for any brand) on Molokai. Over here a vehicle must be reliable, or it quickly becomes junk. So Deb sold her Grand Cherokee and we shipped my 2011 Buick Enclave to Molokai, where it joined our 2012 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon. I used to drive Land Rovers. I'm interested to see what the new Defender proves to be. From what I've observed so far, the new Defender will not be too far different (but without the luxury touches) of the current L.R. Discovery. Solid beam axles are, in my opinion, what works best in extreme off-road use. Thanks again for your excellent four-part video on the Discovery Four! A. McKane from Maunaloa, Molokai, Hawaii, 27 May 2019.
Killerpandahrr They are General Grabbers. These are the only alternative Land Rover South Africa will supply with customers. So they were what we were asked to use.
Loved the video, heads up though the TDV6 WILL fit 17" alloys giving you some more sidewall. Also, seeing as the 2 defenders are highly modified it's worth notifying that the suspension goes another 2 inches beyond what you got when you were stuck called Super extended mode and for $500 you can get a kit to give you the option to keep it there whilst offroad!
Helping a 4WD along a path is an everyday 4WD thing. Does the fact that we moved rocks diminish the achievement? If we had not moved rocks, not even the 35"-tired Defenders would have made it undamaged. Had the rule been not to move any rocks, then the conclusion drawn, even before the engine was started, would have been, "No, the LR4 cannot drive this road." And saved us a lot of time and effort.
Andrew, my comment was more humor than an attempt to denigrate the Discovery's achievement! Yes, the Discovery-4 impressed, as did your driving, and I watched knowing it wouldn't -- and yet it did! I enjoy your channel and particularly enjoyed that series. Hat-Tip from the States . . .
@@d.b.cooper6112 Imagine how much better it would be with a set of lifts rods, rock sliders, and 17" Tuff Ant steelies with some 32" to 34" Cooper STT Pros? Probably would not have needed the rock pilers as much for sure, and by far the most comfortable ride on that pass. No one can touch an LR4 HSELUX for interior amenities.
AlphGen Driving over rocks, wearing seat belts can reduce safety because one cannot move enough in the seat to look out of the side windows. Also, the jerking a pulling, the belt can make things extremely uncomfortable, which also reduces driver confidence and safety. Thirdly, sometime when off road, when driving in deep water for example, seat belts can be dangerous. A smart driver reads the conditions and decides on the best for safety.
4xOverland Do you have any plans to do an expedition using a Jeep? Please do and please do it using the same track. So we can settle the Jeep vs Land Rover debate once and for all. Good luck on your next expedition.
4xOverland Sounds reasonable, Offroad training courses teach the wearing of the seatbelt in Australia, partially as many tracks are designated roads so all road rules apply plus they say they don't want you being thrown about the cabin on rougher tracks. I can see when you are crawling over rocks at a very slow speed is different and can be justified. Deep water crossing we all agree on.
The way seat belts work would kill anyone when cross country driving. If a vehicle is anything less than standard angles the release button won’t work. E.g if your vehicle is on its side or upside down the button will not release the belt. So without a knife or belt cutter can not release the clasp. Seat belts are there to save you at high spends as well not low speeds
This has been a fascinating, your history with LR and the intricacies and challenges of this trip. However I felt the video lacking in actual,off road footage. Tended to be quick edits, lots of talking heads, and not very gripping. The storytelling was very good as usual but I just wonder why we didn’t have more car-driving-over-nasty-road footage...
I have a disco Series 2 on 33s and when I watch this video I love the D4 but unfortunately it makes no sense why to this date they put such huge wheels and low-profile tires and make it hard to fit oversized tires underneath that you could are down and get much better footprint. It is single-handedly the most stupid and away from off-roading common thing that Land Rover does now. I mean I get that they know lots of people just use it as a street vehicle and all the off-road features are just in case on some British dirt road mud but they clearly know they have a Heritage and people want to take them off road through extreme things where small wheels with thick rubber are great and the articulation of solid axles instead of independent with a wheel always Raisin in the air because it doesn't fall into a hole when it's aired up all the way for clearance it makes no sense. I'm not saying the new ones can't do things I'm just saying not nearly as tough or effectively and that's the difference when you look at the higher-level brand new Jeep Rubicon line. I don't even own a Jeep and I never have but straight axles with electric sway bar disconnects front and rear Factory lockers... seems like Jeep stay on the right path. Land Rover could at least make one model or even just one trim level of a model the way I described the Jeep. If they had always just been luxury that would be different but the heritage of the defender and the series and even the early disco and Range Rovers should lend to the idea that they still make some solid axle normal four-by-four vehicles. It makes total sense and I guarantee you it would sell
@@davewilliams6172 I agree I live on the side of a mountain in BC Canada and regularly pass Snow Plows with full chains that are struggling to get up the hills in my stock LR4 (Discovery 4) with all-weather tires (Nokian) fitted. I love how the poor SOB's shoveling out the drive wheels on the Snow Plow frantically wave me off as I roll by without so much as a flicker on the traction control light in Grass and Snow mode! My neighbor has a G Wagon and I see him walking up the hill all the time with his equally capable truck (lacking the right tires and driver) he rolls summer tires all year because they "look better" stuck in a snowbank because he also doesn't know how not to floor the accelerator when the wheels start to lose traction... The LR4 can save you if you're a poor driver but it makes a good driver look like a seasoned pro!
@@davewilliams6172 I agree I live on the side of a mountain in BC Canada and regularly pass Snow Plows with full chains that are struggling to get up the hills in my stock LR4 (Discovery 4) with all-weather tires (Nokian) fitted. I love how the poor SOB's shoveling out the drive wheels on the Snow Plow frantically wave me off as I roll by without so much as a flicker on the traction control light in Grass and Snow mode! My neighbor has a G Wagon and I see him walking up the hill all the time with his equally capable truck (lacking the right tires and driver) he rolls summer tires all year because they "look better" stuck in a snowbank because he also doesn't know how not to floor the accelerator when the wheels start to lose traction... The LR4 can save you if you're a poor driver but it makes a good driver look like a seasoned pro!
I have a Land Rover Discovery 3 4LT V6 Petrol Auto and Been in more Narlly Terrain Than This Whear Boulders are as Big as the Vehicle in the Mountains of New Zealand LakeTekapo South Island I have Owned Many Toyota Land Cruisers But I Wished I Owned a Land Rover Discovery or a Defender Year's Ago No Problems and Parts are Cheaper than Toyota's New Parts that IS
Hell I love Jeeps, but I doubt you can compare performance, comfort and off road ability to a LR4. Wrangler now days are nothing more but a $50,000 toys soccer moms and metro sexuals buy to look tough and to mall crawl.
With a bit more packing and a bit more damage, probably. Its all about clearance here. If you don't have it, you don't have it. The Colorado has less, therefore . . .
The LR4 is the whole package. The Colorado isn't. The LR4 can do this and is brilliant on road. It has more towing capacity than your Colorado, it has more weight payload capacity than your Colorado, it has more HP and TQ than your Colorado, it is faster than your Colorado, it has better approach, break over, and departure angles than your Colorado, it is more comfortable and quiet than your Colorado, all whilst carrying 7 passengers, who are sipping a cold one from its built in fridge, and enjoying the view from its 3 sunroofs. Look at it another way, if we were playing Top Trumps and I pulled the LR4 card vs your Colorado you'd be screwed.
this whole test is rather pointless, because in real world testing, you shouldn't have a dozen people standing outside the car to check and guide your driving
To do Off Road safely (and correctly) you need at leat one spotter / helper and in this type of terrain, you need several. You go and try this by yourself and see how far you get!
better choose a lada niva for this. much easiervand quicker around goliath. lada niva... down to earth 4x4 that does no less than a 80.000 euro posh off roader.
I think that is the best Advert for a Disco 4 I have ever seen. I wonder if the latest batch of Land rover Discovery and Range rovers would do this
Russ Laye I Wana see this trail done in an evoque ;)
What do you mean , a road building excercise !? hahaaaa!
naah I doubt it until someone prove me wrong otherwise
Love how you pulled the dent out with the GOPRO. Way to go lad!
pro tip: watch series on flixzone. Me and my gf have been using them for watching a lot of movies lately.
@Alessandro Noel Yea, have been using flixzone} for since november myself :D
@Alessandro Noel yea, been using flixzone} for since december myself :D
@Alessandro Noel definitely, I have been using Flixzone} for since december myself =)
@Alessandro Noel yea, I've been using Flixzone} for months myself :)
Amazing, this is a very well made documentary.
Excellent series of four videos on the Discover 4, Andrew. To the few critics who claim your support crew moved rocks and or gave you hand signals and such, this is what any intelligent person would do in any off-road situation where it might be necessary to prevent damage to the body panels or the underside of a vehicle. Even a Mercedes Benz Unimog needs help over some obstacles. To all of the above, you prove yourself in this series of videos and your various other videos to be an excellent, high-skilled off-road driver. Well done all the way around! Thanks for posting this series of videos on the Land Rover 4, Andrew! (Andy McKane. I've finally completed moving from my former home in Springville, Utah to Maunaloa, Molokai, Hawaii.)
I have a LR 3 discovery which I use daily for my steel fabrication work . I almost always have a 4.5 x 2.2 m trailer in tow . I have the rear kitted out with tool boxes . All in when the trailer is empty Gross weight is 4300kg , the land Rover deals with this effortlessly and returning around 25 MPG . These vehicles are AMAZING .
I like this man's videos, he is really expert and he helps me understand what car is better for serious off-road and how it affects comfort or normal use. He is brilliant.
Andrew, I have watched in the last couple of days a lot of your footage and `I simply love it - for a couple of reasons...
you say your genuine personal opinion and you admit your own mistakes and you are able to rethink, but more importantly for as someone grown up in Africa your footage inspires me to get back into a rig and back into overland journeys ... (it has been a long time....)
BTW: I can understand why you feel more relaxed after crossing the border ....
Thanks a lot for that ....
Mate you are a legend… your videos keep me entertained for hours … love your knowledge… keep up the amazing work
sticker well earned I'd say, testament to the LR D4 stock vehicle, could be a serious contender if it was kitted out like the defenders.fair play, cracking mini series
Shows what a great platform the LR4 is to build the most comfortable, very capable overlander. Put some lift rods, sliders, and steel wheels with big Coopers on it and that is a dream offroad machine for the entire family. Inspires me even more to start my LR build very soon and take the grandkids on some real adventures. Great video.
I would so love to get hold of one to see how it can be done. Expensive, but worth it.
A really great series. I’ve just purchased a 2014 Disco 4 and found this so reassuring 🙌👏
Same for me. Will get mine in a few weeks.
Same for me - I got my 2016 Disco 4 "Landmark" last August - one of the last of the Disco 4s with only 34k miles on the clock and looking brand new. I have put another 10k on it since then, though - lovely vehicle. 👍
Loved what you said in the first video about being more relaxed when you leave SA - I feel the same way when I cross the channel into mainland Europe.
Woow... Difficult trail. Not with my LR3 till I attend offroading course.
Anyway how the old guy (defender) doing vs LR?
I've watched this series tons of times, can't get enough! excellent stuff, i believe the disco is built for this kind of stuff & more than what people give it credit for! look after them & they'll look after you.
Very technical trail and the car performed exceptionally well.Many thanks to your persistence and help from support team.Always a pleasure watching your videos
Looked like an epic trip, I would love to see a repeat in a new defender.
Nicely made series, and well done driving!
Good job mate, made a Land Rover man out of me
+Drew Byron Meadows Oh dear! That was not the idea. LR4 is brilliant in many ways, but it should make you a LR man. Not all LRs are this good/bad. But then, I am vehemently against brand loyalty in any shape of form, as it fogs the brain.
+4xOverland Fair enough, I actually like that outlook, I am impressed by any manufacturer that will make a product that actually performs as advertised in this day and age, and we could all do with a bit less brain fog.
Very difficult sitting at home watching this with my rig parked outside and not being able to do this run with all of you. Especially for someone like me that grew up in Senegal and Kenya. But I can't help but think...there must be a rule of thumb out there regarding how often or how high rocks must be stacked to qualify or disqualify a vehicle from being "perfectly capable" for a given section of track. But teamwork gets all rigs through and the argument can be made that's how any rig gets through what's put in front of it. It becomes part of the fun. Not just the capability of the vehicle, or the driver, but the mates who are with you. I mean, the ones that bring the beer.
hear, hear.
Rule of thumb stops at a bulldozer making a path. The fact that that SUV made is is extraordinary in itself. Moving stuff around to make a path easier of safer is everyday 4WD stuff.
But he was driving a bone-stock 4x4. That pass was one big pile of big rocks. Even the Defenders, which were modified for the terrain, still didn't have enough ground clearance for some of those rocks without some smaller rocks in front and back, they just didn't film that because the video wasn't about how well modified Defenders perform. You have to admit it is surprising how little damage he collected along the way.
One of the best videos about Disco 4! I only want to remark that the Disco 3 would have been able to perform as well and less stomach ache if damaged. I will keep mine for long. Keep on rovering!
I have been recently watching more and more of your videos and I have to say it is really good quality and just plain fun to watch... You have inspired me to take on more off road challenges like this Baboons pass.
One of the best off road videos with a lr4 that I've ever seen, if not the best one . Congratulations for the fantastic and amazing video 🙌🏼🙌🏼🤟🏼
Huge fan of the disco.
Wont go higher than a 4 am afraid. It looses it's plot past that.
The facial expression when it scrapes is gold.
I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS. THEY ARE SO MUCH FUN TO WATCH. SO INTERESTING AND ENTERTAINING. AND I DONT EVEN LIKE 4x4 VEHICLES...
Well done Andrew, a great little series on the baboons pass. Yes I was impressed by the Disco's performance.
What a great video !!! Waw congratulations to them,, really liked him from heart
Thank you Andrew, beautiful scenery amazing place and I Love your videos.
Its quite interesting this trip ... You starded out with all your '' bad intentions '' to see the LR4 fail but in the end the one who almost failed was the driver .... The look on your face once you completed your trip was like a marathon runner who had been running for 3 straight days ... Super impressed with the LR4 ...
GOOD SET VIDEO SHOW BASIC LAND ROVER DISCO CAN DO
@reg bell: Those exterior damages were inevitable, no matter what car you use (unless you drive a Suzuki Jimny). Due to the sheer dimension of both vehicles, a Rubicon would've suffer the same wound as the Disco. Also, I don't think a stock Rubicon could pass without relocating the rocks (whether to clear the path or for better traction). I believe the Disco has a more sophisticated traction control than a Rubicon.
Actually the two-door Rubicon would have been fine and Rubicon doesn't have traction control it has front and rear lockers from Factory and electric sway bar disconnects Factory and solid axle articulation minimal wheel lifting. Much much much better off road oh and smaller wheels so you can purchase thicker rubber. This is coming from a die-hard disco series to fan by the way I'm not just talking good about Jeep
very entertaining serie, thanks for this documentation!
Inspiring! I want to find trails like this in Canada. Ontario to be more specific.
Niran Tilakaratne x2
S/W ont. has few that I have ever heard of. Maybe up north?
Come out to BC, we got tons of stuff like that if you know where to look ;)
I love that 130, really nice setup. Great video
Just wondering Andrew, would you take the latest Defender on this trip?
Great videos. Really enjoyed watching. Thanks
Wow! It would be hard enough to even hike up this trail on foot without twisting and ankle or spraining a knee!
You made it really hard to purchase a disco 5, since you have not taken it over the baboon pass!
Great job on the trail and it's nice to hear the vehicle did well.
Hi, do you have to torque the bullets?
Discovery makes even the noobs look like seasoned offroad champs
I've owned 'nearly' every mainstream Land Rover model there ever was except for Series 1's, 101's or any of the Range Rover's after the 'sharks gills', for me the most impressive of the lot were the Discovery 3 and 4. Not because they were any more capable than the others but because even though they are what they are, ie 'luxury SUV's' they can still perform off road to a remarkable extent and I was left deeply impressed by mine. Of course, I'm happier in my 1963 S2a 109 but I'm probably not quite right in the head anyway...
What a car! 💪👍
Great driving skills sir. Nice job
Really enjoyed that
what tires were on the discovery
Bom trabalho, a destacar a experiência do guia e da equipa de apoio.
Off road in luxury way.. :)
Fantastic videos!
Rover Rules, I have an 04 Discovery, I really enjoyed this series, thanks
I am considering one. Are the rumors about reliability true, and how can I prevent issues.
Has never broken down ever but I have three amigos sensor issues
Find a good mechanic that doesn't cringe when you say landrover
I have a good one
Before I would call and they would make a crappy remark my guy said good year has injector issues though
He's my guy.
I bought it with 100,000 miles for 12 k loaded but it was a dc vehicle stop and go needed to stretch it's legs and needed a good intake and injector cleaning.
They do need premium gas super only and a good additive does it good like Lucas oil
I love mine and she's paid for but wish I had bucks for roof top racks and military trailer
Some day
If you need more info let me know.
Also what state you in?
Paul DiDonato Thanks for all of your advice. I am trying to get a good 4x4 to get into off roading. Also in in NY.
I'm in Va. And your welcome
Any more info needed let me know.
One thing that I like about rovers they are comfortable and very capable as stock. Just need good tred.
Paul I’m getting ready to purchase a disco 2 . I’m a little nervous with all the maintenance issue stories.
That was very exciting to watch. I always knew LR3 or 4 is an amazing offroad vehicle. I hope I'll be able to own one in near future. Combination of comfort and capability is just astonishing. However I'm still a bit afraid of reliability regarding huge amount of electronics and air suspension. What do You think?
I hope next generation of LR still will be setting standards for offroad vehicles that You can use in every day life as in an epic offroad adventures.
Get the LR4 XS (base model): No air suspension (simple coil springs), no sunroof (to leak after 10 years and add unnecessary cost and weight), and cloth seats. Has the least amount of gadgets too. Probably the LR4 model pick in terms of no-nonsense Spec.
I just bought a 2016 LR4 to do some road trips with my wife who ‘will never got off reading’.....I made the right choice...now about the Bushwakka trailer I have convinced her that will be luxurious....
Imagine how satisfying this track would be to just slowly crawl over in a unimog.
some people would say using a unimog is cheating.. haha
Fantastic video, honest and genuine. I love it :)
I have have tried to find out what dimensions your tires are 255/55 r19 or is it 255/60r18?
they are 19's and pumped up to such a high pressure as to avoid wheel damage, it made traction difficult.
Wow, what an amazing vehicle. Well done LR. If you could just sort out your reliabiity... Friend's Disco 4 died at the top of Moteng Pass the other day - burst something in the radiotor piping. We limped to Oxbow and tow truck guy said he "tows lots of the oval badges back to SA". Such a pity that reliability spoils what could be the best 4x4xfar.
This is spreading FUD... I have had 2 Land Rovers - both LR's (Discovery) a 3 and a 4 both had well over 100,000 clocked and regular maintenance both were as reliable if not more reliable as any Jeep (had two of those as well, one was far less reliable and not nearly as comfortable as either of my Land Rovers the other was about the same in reliability but no were near the same comfort level). If you maintain them and fix what needs to be fixed as soon as it needs it they are as reliable as any make out there now... I know its not so much fun to say but the truth often is that way I have found.
My 86 trooper loves this trails
Brilliant
Andrew I've been finding your video series very interesting and love watching them I sure wish I could buy a Toyota Landcruiser like the one you built up earlier in the series here in Canada. I do a little 4x4ing with my Chevy Colorado but the bulk of it with my side by side though I'm thinking about trading back to a conventional 4x4 ATV in the future.
Why don't use off-road tyres for driving off-road ?
Good question. Land Rover said I had to use the tyres supplied for this test.
Bravo
Man what a video what a drive top stuff
Did it take three years to get all those Land Rovers up there? (I kid I kid! ;)
I think I'm buying a disco now. Haha
Very nice video. The only reason that LR 4 made it through was because it was assisted by a team of experts.
Again as above - To do Off-Road safely (and correctly) you need at least one spotter / helper and in this type of terrain, you need several. You go and try this by yourself and see how far you get!
It’s a very harsh terrain for any car let alone a discovery 4. A different track or expedition could have been better to test the car.
There's always one guy that puts comments in about how his jeep would do it better haha people these days.
Calum Brown there are always british people who think they make the best this or that... even though their this or thats fall apart around them. my god so annoying. i'v driven an 80' lada niva that performs for atleast equal. and lada niva's were even 20 years ahead with automatic 4x4 features on western made vehicles.
i'm from the west but was impressed from that lada niva. much more car for your buck.
This is a luxury SUV. And that was the point of this drive. Comparing it with a Lada (which could also do this pass BTW) is pointless. But the Niva a horrible piece of crap, costs pennies, unreliable, uncomfortable and an altogether terrible vehicle. And a Jeep JK is a real off roader, NOT a luxury SUV. So again, making a comparison is pointless. Could a Land Cruiser 200 or Jeep Grand Cherokee make this pass as the LR4 did? Maybe. Could a BMW X5, Audi Q7 or Volvo XC90 do it? Never, ever, unless a helicopter was involved. This is the point of this drive.
you stick with lada pal and we'l stick with land rover,
iv had toyota hilux surf, land cruiser , discovery 4 and now have 2011 range rover 4.4 vogue and 2011 freelander,
i can tell you strait id have land rover over all of em ,
shit ! i forgot ive also had 2008 shogun elegance and had them all off road.
in britain if you look at old 4x4s on the road like before 2001 , by far the majority you will see will be land rover !!!
THATS NOT PUBLIC HOUSE TALK EITHER
@@Itubewetube1 Who has ever heard the name Lada Niva? There is a reason the Land Rover name is known worldwide.
@@overland-workshop Very well stated, Andrew! My wife had a 2014 Grand Cherokee Overland diesel. We bought it new. It spent way too much time in the selling dealer's service department between April 2014 and January 2019. Debbie loved her Jeep, but when it came to deciding which of our two Utah-based cars we would ship to Molokai, and which one we would sell in Utah, Deb quickly made the decision to sell her Grand Cherokee. Why? There are no new car dealerships (for any brand) on Molokai. Over here a vehicle must be reliable, or it quickly becomes junk. So Deb sold her Grand Cherokee and we shipped my 2011 Buick Enclave to Molokai, where it joined our 2012 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon. I used to drive Land Rovers. I'm interested to see what the new Defender proves to be. From what I've observed so far, the new Defender will not be too far different (but without the luxury touches) of the current L.R. Discovery. Solid beam axles are, in my opinion, what works best in extreme off-road use. Thanks again for your excellent four-part video on the Discovery Four! A. McKane from Maunaloa, Molokai, Hawaii, 27 May 2019.
If you help it to do it
Rudyard Kipling : "If".
discovery 4 is the best land rover. i dont like the sports and range rover. they are most unreliable things. and i love all you videos sir 😊
The disco 4 and RR Sport (08?-13) are the same vehicle. Same chassis, engine, gbox, suspension etc etc etc
About your tent... get a Hilleberg!
love it
I reckon a standard P38 Range Rover would do that track.
yes probably would...
Anyone know what tyres Andrew has in Disco?
Killerpandahrr They are General Grabbers. These are the only alternative Land Rover South Africa will supply with customers. So they were what we were asked to use.
Loved the video, heads up though the TDV6 WILL fit 17" alloys giving you some more sidewall. Also, seeing as the 2 defenders are highly modified it's worth notifying that the suspension goes another 2 inches beyond what you got when you were stuck called Super extended mode and for $500 you can get a kit to give you the option to keep it there whilst offroad!
it is funny to see at 11:00 the Landy green shirt with a Jeep logo on the pocket.... conicidence?
nice vid.
Baboons Pass capable when fitted with the 7 human stone layers option . . .
Helping a 4WD along a path is an everyday 4WD thing. Does the fact that we moved rocks diminish the achievement? If we had not moved rocks, not even the 35"-tired Defenders would have made it undamaged. Had the rule been not to move any rocks, then the conclusion drawn, even before the engine was started, would have been, "No, the LR4 cannot drive this road." And saved us a lot of time and effort.
Andrew, my comment was more humor than an attempt to denigrate the Discovery's achievement! Yes, the Discovery-4 impressed, as did your driving, and I watched knowing it wouldn't -- and yet it did! I enjoy your channel and particularly enjoyed that series. Hat-Tip from the States . . .
Humour, especially satire, doesn't transmit well on the Internet. :-)
Touché, Andrew . . .
@@d.b.cooper6112 Imagine how much better it would be with a set of lifts rods, rock sliders, and 17" Tuff Ant steelies with some 32" to 34" Cooper STT Pros? Probably would not have needed the rock pilers as much for sure, and by far the most comfortable ride on that pass. No one can touch an LR4 HSELUX for interior amenities.
Song called at 2:45?
next time try puting some real off road wheels on the car :)
Doldur Cosmin the point was to see if the stock disco could do it.
Do you know how to make tea taste better? 😂🤣
where wold you be with out rock packers ?
In the pub.
Why don't you wear a seatbelt when offroad?
AlphGen Driving over rocks, wearing seat belts can reduce safety because one cannot move enough in the seat to look out of the side windows. Also, the jerking a pulling, the belt can make things extremely uncomfortable, which also reduces driver confidence and safety. Thirdly, sometime when off road, when driving in deep water for example, seat belts can be dangerous. A smart driver reads the conditions and decides on the best for safety.
4xOverland Do you have any plans to do an expedition using a Jeep? Please do and please do it using the same track. So we can settle the Jeep vs Land Rover debate once and for all.
Good luck on your next expedition.
4xOverland Sounds reasonable, Offroad training courses teach the wearing of the seatbelt in Australia, partially as many tracks are designated roads so all road rules apply plus they say they don't want you being thrown about the cabin on rougher tracks. I can see when you are crawling over rocks at a very slow speed is different and can be justified. Deep water crossing we all agree on.
Igor K Go check the comments. Apparently a lot of people do.
The way seat belts work would kill anyone when cross country driving. If a vehicle is anything less than standard angles the release button won’t work. E.g if your vehicle is on its side or upside down the button will not release the belt. So without a knife or belt cutter can not release the clasp.
Seat belts are there to save you at high spends as well not low speeds
This has been a fascinating, your history with LR and the intricacies and challenges of this trip. However I felt the video lacking in actual,off road footage. Tended to be quick edits, lots of talking heads, and not very gripping. The storytelling was very good as usual but I just wonder why we didn’t have more car-driving-over-nasty-road footage...
$140k yet a well sorted D1 would have walked it???
$140k??? They're nearly half that at $85k inc on roads right now in Aus. Picked up a 2010 for $30k.
How much is a new HSE with all the fruit? Nearer to my estimate than yours.
+KJC 2015 $110k so still very far off 14ok
I have a disco Series 2 on 33s and when I watch this video I love the D4 but unfortunately it makes no sense why to this date they put such huge wheels and low-profile tires and make it hard to fit oversized tires underneath that you could are down and get much better footprint. It is single-handedly the most stupid and away from off-roading common thing that Land Rover does now. I mean I get that they know lots of people just use it as a street vehicle and all the off-road features are just in case on some British dirt road mud but they clearly know they have a Heritage and people want to take them off road through extreme things where small wheels with thick rubber are great and the articulation of solid axles instead of independent with a wheel always Raisin in the air because it doesn't fall into a hole when it's aired up all the way for clearance it makes no sense. I'm not saying the new ones can't do things I'm just saying not nearly as tough or effectively and that's the difference when you look at the higher-level brand new Jeep Rubicon line. I don't even own a Jeep and I never have but straight axles with electric sway bar disconnects front and rear Factory lockers... seems like Jeep stay on the right path. Land Rover could at least make one model or even just one trim level of a model the way I described the Jeep. If they had always just been luxury that would be different but the heritage of the defender and the series and even the early disco and Range Rovers should lend to the idea that they still make some solid axle normal four-by-four vehicles. It makes total sense and I guarantee you it would sell
imagine trying to trail blaze that road without helpers to relocate rocks for you
What amazes me is at one time it was a road that was regularly used by large trucks hauling supplies....
And my LR4 gets stuck in my flat driveway.... in two feet of snow 🤣🤣🤣
Sorry to tell you it ain't the Landy....it's you! mine had no problem!
@@davewilliams6172 I agree I live on the side of a mountain in BC Canada and regularly pass Snow Plows with full chains that are struggling to get up the hills in my stock LR4 (Discovery 4) with all-weather tires (Nokian) fitted. I love how the poor SOB's shoveling out the drive wheels on the Snow Plow frantically wave me off as I roll by without so much as a flicker on the traction control light in Grass and Snow mode! My neighbor has a G Wagon and I see him walking up the hill all the time with his equally capable truck (lacking the right tires and driver) he rolls summer tires all year because they "look better" stuck in a snowbank because he also doesn't know how not to floor the accelerator when the wheels start to lose traction... The LR4 can save you if you're a poor driver but it makes a good driver look like a seasoned pro!
@@davewilliams6172 I agree I live on the side of a mountain in BC Canada and regularly pass Snow Plows with full chains that are struggling to get up the hills in my stock LR4 (Discovery 4) with all-weather tires (Nokian) fitted. I love how the poor SOB's shoveling out the drive wheels on the Snow Plow frantically wave me off as I roll by without so much as a flicker on the traction control light in Grass and Snow mode! My neighbor has a G Wagon and I see him walking up the hill all the time with his equally capable truck (lacking the right tires and driver) he rolls summer tires all year because they "look better" stuck in a snowbank because he also doesn't know how not to floor the accelerator when the wheels start to lose traction... The LR4 can save you if you're a poor driver but it makes a good driver look like a seasoned pro!
name of that tent?
I have a Land Rover Discovery 3 4LT V6 Petrol Auto and Been in more Narlly Terrain Than This Whear Boulders are as Big as the Vehicle in the Mountains of New Zealand LakeTekapo South Island I have Owned Many Toyota Land Cruisers But I Wished I Owned a Land Rover Discovery or a Defender Year's Ago No Problems and Parts are Cheaper than Toyota's New Parts that IS
Hell I love Jeeps, but I doubt you can compare performance, comfort and off road ability to a LR4. Wrangler now days are nothing more but a $50,000 toys soccer moms and metro sexuals buy to look tough and to mall crawl.
Jeeps are bad ass I think, but not in the same league an an LR4. Nothing is.... except the Defender lol.
My Damn Channel , That's how they ruined the Chevrolet Suburban.
Hate to disappoint but land rovers are the same in England and Australia. Rich/footballer/mums/skier cars.
My Chevy colorado could've done that no dis Andrew
With a bit more packing and a bit more damage, probably. Its all about clearance here. If you don't have it, you don't have it. The Colorado has less, therefore . . .
The LR4 is the whole package. The Colorado isn't. The LR4 can do this and is brilliant on road. It has more towing capacity than your Colorado, it has more weight payload capacity than your Colorado, it has more HP and TQ than your Colorado, it is faster than your Colorado, it has better approach, break over, and departure angles than your Colorado, it is more comfortable and quiet than your Colorado, all whilst carrying 7 passengers, who are sipping a cold one from its built in fridge, and enjoying the view from its 3 sunroofs.
Look at it another way, if we were playing Top Trumps and I pulled the LR4 card vs your Colorado you'd be screwed.
I 💩’d my 👖s
How comes the african didn't have tea?
How do you know he didn't?
this whole test is rather pointless, because in real world testing, you shouldn't have a dozen people standing outside the car to check and guide your driving
To do Off Road safely (and correctly) you need at leat one spotter / helper and in this type of terrain, you need several. You go and try this by yourself and see how far you get!
hai old man i like your videos. please focus on vehicles not yourself we want to see the vehicle not you all the time
better choose a lada niva for this. much easiervand quicker around goliath. lada niva... down to earth 4x4 that does no less than a 80.000 euro posh off roader.
A Lada on Baboons Pass .... you must be joking
That landrover was shite. It had to have 5-6 people build it ramps and roads off of loose rocks...
Hardly qualifies has a pass in my book!
You miss the point... and even the Defenders would need help with rock stacking its a matter of clearance not capability!
What a car! 💪👍