Well. It worked. If I had let them down to improve traction, they would have bulged a lot, because of their low profile. And then become very vulnerable to sharp rocks. The other option was to let them down, the theory being that being able to bend might give them better flexibility to withstand the sharp rocks - while making them more vulnerable in doing it. So to help you understand my crazy logic. BTW I gave this a lot of thought. A week later I did pop a tyre, on a curb, at normal pressures.
And you wonder why the Discovery has over 50 international awards. Great piece of engineering. I just brought myself a low miler and I can't wait to get down and dirty. PS What a beautiful country
Hi Andrew, superb vídeo, congratulations for your great work. I think the Defenders in the vídeo both have rear and front diff locks right? Cheers bro.
the fact that looking at the defenders in the convoy, they are all fitted with huge baggy tires and they definitely look like they have been raised and a pretty much stock. The discovery is going over the same stuff that the heavily modified vehicles have been. I doubt you would see a stock Landcruiser going over the same obstacles that the disco is handling.
I'm no 4wd expert but a friend helped me and my wife choose a 4wd and I'm pretty sure our Kluger would cross that track with comfort and ease, leaving all those Landrovers behind
I had the privy to use a Disco 4 (complements Land Rover Windhoek )doing the filming of the David Livingstone Museum opening n the Zambezi (former Caprivi) ) region. The vehicle impressed everyone and though not a rocky area, but thick loose sand and marshes, the Disco took us Above and Beyond. Not as "soft" as initially thought.
My first choice would have been BF Goodrich but Land Rover gave me one of their approved tyres, General Grabbers. I do not remember the exact size, but they turned out to be very good.
4xOverland Guys. As an expat South African living in Australia, we dont use the metric system for tyre pressures. So please explain what One Bar and Three Bar`s is in PSI. I have been up Sani Pass in the late 1960s in a stock standard 2.6 litre Land Rover. One of the most exhilarating but nerve wracking trips I have ever done. Later I did it in a stock standard 1600cc VW beetle. Easy going up ,but nerve wracking going down.
What a superb video, I'm looking at changing into either a Discovery or Prado this year, I live in Britain but have no real brand loyalty either way having had mostly German cars. My head is saying a used Prado (Land Cruiser here) would be the sensible choice but my heart is saying a Discovery 4, the cars would be used offroad going into Scottish mountains, Welsh mountains, Lake district and also used on building sites, any advice either way would be appreciated.
Would love to take my Rubicon up there one day, just glad that I wouldnt have to pack rocks to make my way, which will make the route a bit boring, cause thats the fun of 4x4
The alternative would be to conclude at the first ten yards, "No, the LR4 cannot do this track". What would we have learned by that? Off-roading includes taking a vehicle off-the road and if necessary, alter the track to enable the vehicle to do the track.
4xoverland yeah, you could get a suburu forestor to conquer that trail with enough rocks being tossed around, but the Range Rover obviously did it with much less. One question I have being a Tacoma driver is why you think the hilux is better built than a Tacoma?
Two clues are the chassis rail and how its welded together and what shape it is. And then the approved payload of the Hilux which is considerably higher.
the hole point of letting your tyres down is so that they mold over the sharp rocks so the point of the rock dose not have enough pressure to penetrate the tyre, you only do this for low speed driving, not around town, how fast were you going when u hit that gutter.....? im guessing you were going fast enough to pinch the sidewall, also letting your tyres down gives you a bigger foot print therefore more traction, maybe you should have spoken to people that have done some 4 wheel driving.
What I hate the most about doing these videos are the know-it-alls who comment, assuming that they know everything and that everyone else is an idiot. What you say is correct. But little do you know that I've been off-roading for 30 years, have written 14 books on the subject and know what I am talking about. And I know for 100% certain, that soft tyres would, in addition to what you say, have made the side walls far more vulnerable to side swipe punctures. Because the profiles are so low, this threat is heightened. And so, a hard pressure, in this case protected them. I had no punctures. And so the test was a success.
Perhaps you should read my website? You may even learn something. www.4xforum.com. Check out tyre pressures! And you will see that everything you say is correct. But there are exceptions, and this was one of them.
The disco didnt do to good then... having all that track prep to get it over someof those rocks .... really reinforces why I think discos should stay on country roads and towns ...and leave the tough stuff to real 4x4s heh
In that case, no standard-spec 4x4 wagon on the planet would have driven that trail. Only specialised rock-hoppers would have made it. No point in driving the trail and shooting the video at all then?
I know the Land Cruiser 150 very well. I own a Land Cruiser 78. But, the 150 Land Cruiser would have needed considerably more work done on the track to get it through. It does not have the clearance of the LR4 on extended mode, and its traction control is no better.
In my part of EU (Croatia) you can buy LC 150 with Premium pack and then it is equiped with all electrical gadgets-things that you need for heavy off roading (ahc, avc, crawl control, central and rear diff lock). Im not sure but I think that LC has better approach and departure angle than LR. Anyway great videos.
***** The LR150 does have slightly better approach angle, but slightly inferior departure angle (if I remember correctly), measured when the LR4 is in standard high setting. But in extended mode, it's clearance is extraordinary. And it saved us.
Do you have any experience handling such roads/paths by driving a range rover? I heard that Range Rover is by far is the best? Can beat Land cruiser, Pajeros, BMW, MB easily?
Simply amazing. This has got to be your toughest trail till date Andrew. Waiting for the rest of the episode. Keep up the passion
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Well. It worked. If I had let them down to improve traction, they would have bulged a lot, because of their low profile. And then become very vulnerable to sharp rocks. The other option was to let them down, the theory being that being able to bend might give them better flexibility to withstand the sharp rocks - while making them more vulnerable in doing it. So to help you understand my crazy logic. BTW I gave this a lot of thought. A week later I did pop a tyre, on a curb, at normal pressures.
Thank you for driving this truck to its full potential. Was enjoying to watch
And you wonder why the Discovery has over 50 international awards. Great piece of engineering. I just brought myself a low miler and I can't wait to get down and dirty.
PS What a beautiful country
a discovery is not a soft roader its one of the best in the world
See that's why I want a jeep. It's not so expensive that I worry about dinging it, plus they are quite customizable. Love your channel by the way!
Excellent stuff!
Well done ASPW! I love your work.
Nice to see you back in Land Rovers .!!!
we have an LR4 and its great to see it being driven properly! a truly capable car!
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Captivating video. Can't wait to see more. Good luck.
I do not know. but if they had, they probably would not have needed front lockers. Rear ones maybe.
you have taken my entire breath away with your
Genius
Would be nice to have the videos in quality higher than 360p. 720p FTW!
Totally enjoyed that! Love your work
Hi Andrew, superb vídeo, congratulations for your great work. I think the Defenders in the vídeo both have rear and front diff locks right? Cheers bro.
the fact that looking at the defenders in the convoy, they are all fitted with huge baggy tires and they definitely look like they have been raised and a pretty much stock. The discovery is going over the same stuff that the heavily modified vehicles have been. I doubt you would see a stock Landcruiser going over the same obstacles that the disco is handling.
I bet cruisers do down the trail more often than Land Rovers
BlackHawkBallistic Ha ha! It took a crew of guys and a public works project to get the LR4 across.
until what?
I really love 4x4 and 4wd cars when it comes to offroafing..
My dream will never die of having a big car climbing the highest mountain
cant wait to see the rest
Defender 130 High -Capacity pick-up
nice video...i have experienced to drive on the track which was similar but more tough . i was driving toyota landcruiser bj40 3.4 b3 diesel
love watching your videos. very informative. keep it up! =)
I'm no 4wd expert but a friend helped me and my wife choose a 4wd and I'm pretty sure our Kluger would cross that track with comfort and ease, leaving all those Landrovers behind
Did your friend explain to you the difference between AWD (what the Kluger has) and 4WD? If he didn't, he should have. Or maybe he also doesn't know.
I had the privy to use a Disco 4 (complements Land Rover Windhoek )doing the filming of the David Livingstone Museum opening n the Zambezi (former Caprivi) ) region. The vehicle impressed everyone and though not a rocky area, but thick loose sand and marshes, the Disco took us Above and Beyond. Not as "soft" as initially thought.
the 4 , unlike the 3, has two side air intake....but why you have only one side fitted with snorkel??
This is a diesel. The gasoline LR4 has an air intake on each side.
The diesel LR4 has only one air intake, just like the LR 3
Nice vid and I consider LR4 for my wife. Wish I could bring 10 people to lay-out boulders for my offloading :-)
Is this LR4 the Diesel version?
Thanks for the video.
What tires are you running?
My first choice would have been BF Goodrich but Land Rover gave me one of their approved tyres, General Grabbers. I do not remember the exact size, but they turned out to be very good.
4xOverland Thanks. Any flats?
How are/were they on the road?
Thanks for your help
4xOverland
Guys. As an expat South African living in Australia, we dont use the metric system for tyre pressures. So please explain what One Bar and Three Bar`s is in PSI. I have been up Sani Pass in the late 1960s in a stock standard 2.6 litre Land Rover. One of the most exhilarating but nerve wracking trips I have ever done. Later I did it in a stock standard 1600cc VW beetle. Easy going up ,but nerve wracking going down.
Steinwaygrande 1 bar = 14.5 psi and 3 bar = 43.5 psi
I know you have some crazy animals down there but was that a pterodactyl I heard?!? Good lord. Lol. Great spotter- def knows his it.
Probably not. The last pterodactyl was seen in Lesotho, oh . . . at least two or three months ago . . .
Andrew who was the African guy on the crew?
What a superb video, I'm looking at changing into either a Discovery or Prado this year, I live in Britain but have no real brand loyalty either way having had mostly German cars.
My head is saying a used Prado (Land Cruiser here) would be the sensible choice but my heart is saying a Discovery 4, the cars would be used offroad going into Scottish mountains, Welsh mountains, Lake district and also used on building sites, any advice either way would be appreciated.
Make sure you get to part-2! ruclips.net/video/5L0BpB5Hmr4/видео.html
I thought the discovery 4 had air suspension that could be lifted?
Ive watched this before... Im wondering why I can only watch it in 240p... I'm sure there is a mistake, but I just thought Id let you know
Why no Safety belt?
This is not good...
I cant wait till October
Introduced it as a stock land rover but it has a snorkel and under body protection?
which come from the factory. Along with e rear lockers if optioned.
Would love to take my Rubicon up there one day, just glad that I wouldnt have to pack rocks to make my way, which will make the route a bit boring, cause thats the fun of 4x4
I don’t know if a team of 10 dudes throwing rocks right where you need them is actually getting through the trail..
The alternative would be to conclude at the first ten yards, "No, the LR4 cannot do this track". What would we have learned by that? Off-roading includes taking a vehicle off-the road and if necessary, alter the track to enable the vehicle to do the track.
4xoverland thank you kind sir, I LOVE THIS CHANNEL :)
Cool. How many rocks we had to move is a measure of how good the vehicle is off-road.
4xoverland yeah, you could get a suburu forestor to conquer that trail with enough rocks being tossed around, but the Range Rover obviously did it with much less. One question I have being a Tacoma driver is why you think the hilux is better built than a Tacoma?
Two clues are the chassis rail and how its welded together and what shape it is. And then the approved payload of the Hilux which is considerably higher.
Awesome car
You made a great program but: he should have fasten his seatbelts. Its safety ! Thats a huge mistake.
just terrifc
The best vehicle for offroading especially on that kind of road is a bulldozer.
the hole point of letting your tyres down is so that they mold over the sharp rocks so the point of the rock dose not have enough pressure to penetrate the tyre, you only do this for low speed driving, not around town, how fast were you going when u hit that gutter.....? im guessing you were going fast enough to pinch the sidewall, also letting your tyres down gives you a bigger foot print therefore more traction, maybe you should have spoken to people that have done some 4 wheel driving.
What I hate the most about doing these videos are the know-it-alls who comment, assuming that they know everything and that everyone else is an idiot. What you say is correct. But little do you know that I've been off-roading for 30 years, have written 14 books on the subject and know what I am talking about. And I know for 100% certain, that soft tyres would, in addition to what you say, have made the side walls far more vulnerable to side swipe punctures. Because the profiles are so low, this threat is heightened. And so, a hard pressure, in this case protected them. I had no punctures. And so the test was a success.
Perhaps you should read my website? You may even learn something. www.4xforum.com. Check out tyre pressures! And you will see that everything you say is correct. But there are exceptions, and this was one of them.
4xOverland Good response!
yeah because you make your tyres hard to protect them........ ? what planet is this guy from
Seriously!
It was getting good until...
Vw amarok all the way.
Petrol Disco?
The landrovers get rescued by Jeeps. Who are hauled in by Power Wagons.
The disco didnt do to good then... having all that track prep to get it over someof those rocks .... really reinforces why I think discos should stay on country roads and towns ...and leave the tough stuff to real 4x4s heh
land rover talk on facebook
toughest? ahahahahahahha
OFF-ROAD TÜRKİYE d'ya know toughest public road there? No? Well...
SLOW
with several men to fix the path?! Thats cheating. Have more crew then you can just carry the whole car across it.
In that case, no standard-spec 4x4 wagon on the planet would have driven that trail. Only specialised rock-hoppers would have made it. No point in driving the trail and shooting the video at all then?
Next time go with Land Cruiser 150. This is a place for real off roader, not this sparkling thing.
I know the Land Cruiser 150 very well. I own a Land Cruiser 78. But, the 150 Land Cruiser would have needed considerably more work done on the track to get it through. It does not have the clearance of the LR4 on extended mode, and its traction control is no better.
In my part of EU (Croatia) you can buy LC 150 with Premium pack and then it is equiped with all electrical gadgets-things that you need for heavy off roading (ahc, avc, crawl control, central and rear diff lock).
Im not sure but I think that LC has better approach and departure angle than LR. Anyway great videos.
***** The LR150 does have slightly better approach angle, but slightly inferior departure angle (if I remember correctly), measured when the LR4 is in standard high setting. But in extended mode, it's clearance is extraordinary. And it saved us.
+jajesam sigurno Does your LC150 come with a 6 inch lift (extended mode in d4) or do you need to fit that yourself?
Do you have any experience handling such roads/paths by driving a range rover? I heard that Range Rover is by far is the best? Can beat Land cruiser, Pajeros, BMW, MB easily?