Other bits about Herald being weak in the fight against her is that she isn’t fighting alongside her driver, and it’s in the spirit crucible elpys, so she is weakened even more (probably intentionally on her part)
SPOILERS . . . . . . . . If Amalthus didn’t start scrubbing data from every core crystal to reset them into commons, given enough time any blade could potentially become more powerful than Mythra. Both Brighid and Pandoria are national treasures of their respective countries’ royal families, and they’re about on par with Mythra (as explained in the video)
Also I don't think Brighid is on Mythra's level when shes explicitly stated to have lost all but one duel against her, and that one may have been because Mythra just sparred with Haze (I say may have because Mythra could've been lying about it cause she was embarrased lol)
I agree with that, imagine if Yamcha sparred against Goku 10 times, lost 9 but won one. It doesn't mean Yamcha is goku level. Someone being stronger means they're going to win more times than not, but doesn't mean they can't lose due to a mistake, lucky shot or just being overall arrogant (Which I think with Mythra losing against Brighid she could have been too cocky but I have nothing to back this up)
Owais Khan Well, it was not explained well in the video, but they mention how all matches were very close. It's like Vegeta losing 9 out of 10 times against Goku but both being equally exhausted afterwards.
Heats definitely puts more support to Brighid being Mythra level, but I had made a comment talking about how statements really shouldn't be used to justify power levels since they often times aren't taken to be literal. The connversation is one of thise where you could theoretically use it but I'm the type of person to want to see the evidence (i.e. them fight) rather than hear the two talk about it. I'm not saying Brighid is going to just lie, but I really don't like just taking people's word for it. I admit that I didn't see the branch where Brighid said that Mythra only narrowly beat her most of the time, but I was using the yamcha and goku example as a way to show how ridiculous I found the claim to be and its justification. Maybe in the Torna DLC we can see this fight between the two. Because people say the power of the Aegis sunk three continent 500 years ago but we learn that it was the result of the fight between Malos and Mythra (and could very well be their artifices doing that.) But the way I see it I can't just go off of someone's word for power levels, I'd rather see the feats that you try and justify with. If we see something in the DLC that supports this, like an actual fight between Mythra and Brighid then that'll change my mind.
Rebellious That's due to circumstance. Ontos lives in a world entirely made of ether essentially making his power limitless. If we stuck malos and mythra there they'd be just as strong.
XC2's ether should work just the same, just that Alvis knew and figured out how to control every aspect of it, while Mythra and Malos didn't, I believe. Mythra's foresight for example should work just the same like the Monado's visions; by reading the ether movement in the air and predict someone's or something's next action (would match with DLC Shulk's foresight powers as well). Only that Mythra doesn't know exactly how she does that, other than "I'm the Aegis, I just can". After all, everything is surrounded by ether. Blades draw the ether out of the air, manifest their powers in their weapons and Drivers let them rip with an art. So I don't see why it should be different in either of these games.
Mark Fuzuzu We can inference its not. Ether comes from conduit/zohar going off what we know from past xeno games. Also its said ether is in the atmosphere. Instead of like in xenoblade 1 where its the building block of everything. This is even more evident from the differences of foresight and visions. Shulk has visions immediately. Mythra has to create a foresight bubble of sorts. Alvis explains visions come from calculations of the ether flow around them. So its safe to say ether is different in each world.
The main problem with this is that Mythra's insane power level doesn't come from her strength as a blade, though she is very impressive in that regard, it's her control over Siren(s?). I don't think that by herself she could sink a titan, but the Sirens are fucking orbital strike style nukes. Those could reasonably take on anyone as long as they're able to stay far away enough to shoot their beams from a distance (because they seem to be pretty fragile; Ophion handily takes down one by itself and a Saviorite rebel ship took down one by itself) and the person they're fighting doesn't have a flesh eater ability that happens to completely counter it (lookin at you, Jin). Otherwise, with Siren, I'm sure Mythra could reasonably take on anyone (besides Jin) and match Siren, the only reason she doesn't do that is cause she doesnt want to sink another continent by abusing Sirens power.
marcus dewhurst yeah probably, jin was just a normal blade back then who was the strongest in torna and then he had to eat Lora's heart and got a full blood core crystal and became a ridiculously powerful blade with his light speed movement flesh eater ability
It’s only because Waifus are more desirable. No problems with women but and Aegeon are two of my favorite designs. All the male characters blades and driver seem to get shafted
Should we really count brighid as mythra level? I mean I'm like 80% sure if Mythra called siren she'd win against brighid. Now whether artifices count as part of the aegises base power is a discussion that can be had.
Siren is their armament to begin with. Its like telling people can you drop your weaponry while i keep all my Abilities and Armament. Mythra decided not to use it because she would never want to harm her allies. She could have just hop in and destroy everything. She even purposely missed Siren's attacks on Akhos, Partroka and Mikhail. Pyra shows that the targeting ray would melt a blade if she just increase the output. Not to mention in game, Mythra only use her foresight 3 times and only Jin in flesh eater was able to beat that. It was never use for full offensive reason.
I didn't really count Siren throughout making this video, especially since Mythra uses it only once in the story outside of Sacred Arrow, which is basically just an extension of Mythra's innate powers. I'm of the opinion that it'll be used more often in T:TGC and end up damaged at the end so it can't do nearly as much, so it's probably more appropriate to say that Brighid, Pandy etc. probably surpassed Aegis War Mythra without Siren.
Luxin Well a correction. Mythra uses it 3 or 4 times in the main game not including sacred arrow. Yeah that's more accurate to say they are stronger than mythra without Siren. I don't believe its damaged. From what we've seen siren looks completely fine to the point of still being able to fight ophion. Or maybe Mythra uses backup units like seen in one late game low orbit station cutscenes.
Just out of curiosity, what were those times? We either have different definitions of Sacred Arrow or I'm forgetting a lot. I consider every time she uses it as an attack from above Sacred Arrow, so her awakening, Chapter 4 boss, count as it, as well as Pyra in Chapter 6 since she's exerting as much control as she can to get as close as possible to shooting one off, while the Ophion fight is the only time she actually brings it down to attack. On the subject of the damage, people have noted that Siren's model appears to have more on it in the Golden Country trailer, which led to that theory which didn't originate with me (alongside hoping that there's a playable sequence in it)
In the Torna video, she is able to use Siren beam to destory Gargoyle. How can you disregard Siren as her ability/armament even if its was used only once or twice in story . She never wanted to use it because of its destruction. If this was 500 years ago and she was evil as Malos, she would have deploy Siren. If its pure brawl, yea she might lose but if you are battle experienced person, you would never go in a melee fight if you know your opponent have advantage at close quarter combat. This happens with Malos and Aion when he could have just blast the wall behind him instead of fighting melee with a mecha. Brain vs Muscle Brawl plot wise. Additionally only Flesh eater Jin was able to counter Foresight due to sheer speed. Haze was able to neutralize (which is what i think will save Lora and Jin during vs Addam & Mythra). Mythra could have just use foresight > see the moment of the enemy > use siren beam beforehand and predict the impact time. But then again, her creed of not using Siren to kill living beings/allies is what reduced her battle effectiveness.
That makes sense, also one other bit of evidence for Kos-Mos/ T-elos being at lease on Mythra level. During battle, Kos-Mos may comment that her battle output is on par with that of Mythra's (I think it is when you switch Kos-Mos for Mythra).
Poppi is an anomaly. Form 2 Poppi's energy output impressed Mythra. But form 2 and form 3 are never necessary for the cutscenes or maybe never possible. There are a couple of reasons for that. One of which being that Tora has expressed in cutscenes and Heart to Hearts that he is not a good driver and has been holding Poppi back. The second reason could be her ether furnace reserves. We know that it is not unlimited after Tora's warning to Rex. Poppi pleads to Mythra (not sure if it could also be Pyra if you chose her name) to destroy her if she ever goes Maverick (Megaman reference.) This is in a time after Pneuma was revealed. The reason is because she saw that an entire titan was sunk because of a blade and she feared her own power to do the same. I do not consider Form 3 Poppi as canon to the story because she isn't in any cutscenes, but I do consider it to be Poppi's next form. In the dream sequence when Rex fights all of his friends, he fights Zeke and Tora together and once again Poppi is in Alpha form. It is also mentioned that everyone had a similar experience. The question is when the others fought Rex who was he using? Pyra, Mythra, or Roc? Rex wasn't using the Aegis in his battle, so it's possible the Aegis wasn't in any of the fights forcing Rex to use his only other canon blade (besides random Wind Knuckle), Roc. My theory is that they would be fighting which ever name you gave Pneuma. And I disqualify Pneuma herself as a possibility because I do not believe Morag or Nia would have gotten past that. What does all of this mean? Give Poppi a genius driver. Update Poppi's ether furnace. Canonize her 3rd form. And I believe that alone would surpass an Aegis without Aion. Poppi in 100 years? It won't even be a question.
mythra could shoot you with a lightspeed canon from the sky.... I mean, brighid, herald and the rest are strong but not light speed instant death strong
@@minecraftsteve5746 But the targeting ray is light speed and can be amplified to the point of melting even an Aegis. Every other Blade would die as soon as the targeting ray would be set upon them.
If Mythra really wanted to she could easily crush Brighid and Poppi as well as any normal blade because she holds back her power to avoid heavy damage. Pyra on the other hand is weaker than Mythra but she’s still more powerful than a normal blade I would say Brighid is on the same level as Pyra rather than Mythra
mythra asks poppi qt to destroy her if she went rampant for some reason, implying that mythra believes poppi holds a power great enough to at least toe to toe her
Mini Feebas Mythra promised Poppi she would destroy her if she looked like she was going to destroy the world and Poppi promised to Mythra that she will assist her in whatever she wants that being do not help Rex when Mythra sacrificed herself. Poppi never promised to destroy Mythra
@@minifeebas8911 The initial promise was kind of ambiguous on what Poppi would do for Mythra. At the time of the promise being made Mythra didn't name what Poppi would need to do for her, but one can easily misconstrue it to think that Mythra was asking for Poppi to do the same for her if Mythra went off the deep end. The reason we realize this is not the case is because of how the promise ends up being used.
Pneuma form aside, the bulk of Mythra's strength seemingly comes from her foresight visions and having remote control over a high-altitude weapon of mass destruction. One Siren alone is probably a match for the strongest titans and much more mobile to boot. In an actual melee battle she likely has to hold back severely to not vaporize her allies or even her own driver.
I think you forgot that combat prowess and the vaguely defined "power" you're talking about are different. Mythra has Siren, among the other powers of the Aegis. No other blade has anything close. I don't think Brighid could compete in an all-showcase of power with Mythra at all, but she's of almost equal skill with her weapons in a sparring match. I don't think comparing them with a vague idea of "power" really explains anything.
About the Mythra VS bright thing, I think Mythra didn't use her "full powers" agaisnt Bright on thise fights, because come on, if they use that power every time while training Torna would be destroyed WAAAAY the fight beetwen Malod and Mythra, it's kinda like Goku only using Super saiyan 2 in a fight even when he can use super saiyan god 2, he doesn't go full power, just use a controlable power
Do the Titans themselves have names? While playing I noticed a few location's names seemed to hint at the Titans names. I have genbu drifts for Tantal, Cataracts of Rujah in Uraya, and Melnaths shoulder in Gormott. Are these the Titans actual names or not really meant to mean anything? (I know Tantals Titan is called genbu)
After looking at Nia vs Malos again, her cancer was definitely impressive and could take out many opponents that couldn't hard counter it, but I actually think what she does earlier might be even more impressive. Malos was using Eater against Zeke and was being pushed back by Nia's power surrounding Zeke. Then Nia pushes a little more and _SHATTERS MALOS'S EATER!_ That's not hax; that's not subverting an opponent's defences; that's plain and simple _overpowering the opponent with brute force! And against an _*_Aegis_*_ no less!_ What _would_ be hard countering would be that I believe Nia would be able to defeat Zenobia's enemy. Its biggest strength is regenerating any damage almost instantly. Regeneration is Nia's specialty and her cancer attack _weaponizes_ it. This enemy doesn't have a core crystal to regenerate from, so Nia could turn its greatest strength into its greatest weakness, killing it from the inside.
Connor Dunn yeah Lora was able to counter addam instantly even though mythra was using foresight. Not to mention a certain someone uses half her power to literally control every titan in alrest
Juju the Homs That person isn't using Fan's power to control the titans, they use there power as the master driver, a power given by their special blade, remember. A power Rex gets too. They use some type of signal emitters to amplify their powers to control not only blades but titans too.
I mean, I think its like this. The Aegis are strong because they have various haxx due to being the centers of the whole blade system, but their physical bodies can be outperformed by specific rares. Wulfric has superstrength, mythra doesn't. It stands to reason that Wulfric can lift heavier weights than Mythra. And that is indeed a kind of strength.
I tought the same thing, if we go by the alvis=ontos theory then his sword would probably look alot like the true monado/aegis. How he himself would look i dunno, probably just a colorswap and different armor like Pneuma
Mine N Adventurer _The Aegis Boy_ probably violet like Pneuma’s green, and NO HOMO he probably would have a more revealing outfit because he’s supposed to be the contrast of Pneuma and Pneuma’s outfit compared to Pyra’s and Mythra’s covers up way more skin
As it is implied that all light type blades gain their power from the Zohar instead of ether, it should be likely that all of them are at about Mythras power ( cannon wise ). T-elos is cannonically about as strong if not stronger than KOS-MOS btw. You could have added some of their respective accomplishments from the Xenosaga-series but then again, I don't know how familiar you are with those games. Also you forgot to mension both Blade Eaters as they are on/above the level of the flesh eaters
I haven't played Saga yet, but I don't really think it's fair to count it anyway since the Blades are alternate universe versions of the characters and not the original somehow transported to the XC2 universe like Shulk and Fiora, so there's no guarantee that the XC2 ones are as strong as the XS ones.
Random Bui Is that truly ever implied. Its only said by the architect the trinity processers recieve power from the conduit. Plus Malos is a dark blade not a light based one
Cake# I haven't said that only light type blades gain their power from the Zohar/Conduit. All light blades ( including DLC ) are highly advanced machines/robots ( atleast if the Monado truly is the missing Aegis ) and nobody other than Tora's grandfather and likely the architect know how to create them/their cores. They are also special since there are no regular/common blades of that element. As we know from previous Xeno-games, the Zohar/Conduit is also a very strong energy provider and is seemingly mechanicle ( I won't go into further detail about it as everything beyond this exposition about it would consist of some really huge spoilers for the entire Xenosaga trilogy ). Important to note is that all light blades except both Poppy QTπ and Poppybuster, all light blades were created with the Zohar/Conduit as one of their main powersources and we know from Xenosaga that the Zohar is emitting a certain type of comunicational waves wich happen to be mentioned by Klaus. So while both the 2 Poppys and KOS-MOS can recieve power from the Zohar, they can only utalize it to a certain degree just like Malos, Pneuma and Ontos do, only on a lower level. ( Sorry if my english is bad/barely understandable at times, it's not my first language and I am still learning )
I would like a tier list on blades cannon power levels. It makes sense for Malos to be on Mythra's level or higher, he wouldn't think about restraining himself like she would. I'd lean to Malos being stronger one on one vs Mythra (no Pneuma) considering she's been asleep half a millenia.
(This is before I watch the video) There are a lot of blades stronger than pyra(poppi qtpie, Zenobia etc) but mythra eeeh I think she's still on another level
i have a question, Pneuma is the fusion of Mithra and Pyra, right, or more correctly Pyra and Mithra are the shattered form of Pneuma, is that correct ?
Here some blades that you miss that are over mythra : - HAZE : She fucking BEAT MYTHRA AND BRIGHID AT THE SAME TIME in TTCG, and Jin consider that she is pretty dangerous. - The wind knucles blade : obviously he/she is top tier - Corvin : he seriously says that he is swords consils a immense power, and his in-game stats are clearly broken - Sheba : In my head-cannon, the more she as money, the more she is powerful - Finch : you say she is probably under pyra, but listen to this : she revolves around forgetting things, and one of her in-game feat is to forget the attacks she has made, to effectivly redoing them. So, in my head-cannon, she can alter reality by forget things. Special arts are made out of ether (a real thing) and she just refill herself automaticly with ether. - Ursula : she can't beat mythra, but she also just can't die
I believe the best feats you will get for KOS-MOS and T-elos are in xenogears and xenosaga because their characters are based off of those games as well as their attacks
Depends how you define stronger? i think Briget alone would rate Pyras ability to retain her memory far stronger than some battle powers for example. And the Agisis ability to syncronize with instruments alone blows out any normal blades even rediculess powerfull ones like Jin. What would have been able to Stop mythra if she went mad once awaked? She could just Obital bombarded anything that isnt hidenn inside a titan and probably killed millions directly or indirectly. We dont got to see Malos own instruments were pyra/mythra had 3 bound to them at least. If ophion werent damaged pyra would have been able to concoll it. MYthra controlls sieren and opion at the same time probably during the Torma eara and there is a bit muddy while pyra and mythra together controlled aion that part is a bit unclear and unlogical sice pyra basically is a sealing for mythra with its own personality how does that worked during the agis wars and how did she actually came to be?
Agises power isnt depending on their own personal power since tehy can controll Instuments? Jin for example is powerfull but what would happen if he is caught on a Gormoti plain and just get Blasted fpr hours from orbit by Syren? His OPness wont do him any good in that situation and its allready established that he couldnt protect his driver from something far less powerfull than Syren.or Opion.
i am almost 100% certain that kos-mos and t-elos are roughly as powerful as pneuma and here’s why- kos-mos and t-elos both originate as characters from the xenosaga series where they’re both extremely powerful machines that draw their power from the zohar. there is STRONG evidence that the zohar in xenosaga is the conduit of xenoblade- they have the exact same shape and colors, and work the same- drawing near-infinite power from another dimension. in other words, kos-mos and t-elos are functionally aegises- possibly even prototypes for the three aegises klaus would go on to make. it seems like monolithsoft is going the route of tying all the xeno games (not just xenoblade) together, so we might get more info on this in the future
You forgot KOS-MOS is from other xeno games but that might not be canon, I don't know about core crystals and whether AI could've taken that form (I know the trinity processor definitely did but other core crystals have the Morytha explanation for existing or whatever) but if this is indeed the same KOS-MOS as the other games, she's at least as powerful as an Aegis.
"Pyra turned into Mythra and now she can blow people up". I've never understood how someone can not like your content, it is truly baffling. Also your content claim protection birb is probably not going to very effective unfortunately. I hope nothing happens
How I see the Blade Tier Lists: Full Powered Malos and Pneuma Full Powered Jin Mythra Nia Torna Flesh Eaters Jin Fan La Nore Bridgid Pandoria Weaken Malos Shulk (Due to only having the Monado 1, easily on FP Malos and Pneuma level if having spoilers) Zenobia/Herald/KOS-MOS/other strong rare blades, could also see Poppi QTpi Pyra Poppi QT Poppi a Dromarch
Without watching the video (I have my reasons) I'm gonna say I don't think the 2 Aegis in XC2 had really tapped into their full potential. My evidence is the fact that Malos pulled a freaking Monado on you and still lost, then never used it again. I feel as though all the Aegis have the ability to access the Monado and wield it to an extreme extent but Ontos was the only one who really put any effort into learning it. Kinda like in Smash Bros when everyone sleeps on a character after release because it doesn't conform to what was "good" in the last game but then months later someone who actually dedicated themselves to that character shows up with some busted new skills and suddenly everyone learns that the character is actually good but different. I feel like Malos just couldn't master it so he stuck to what he knew and Pneuma plain wasn't interested in that kind of power at all or never tapped into it (directly). And Klaus could tap into it but the part of him that could was... Uhh... Lets just say he was running a support build because his main was on a different server... Long story short though, the XC2 universe seems to have more generally powerful beings in it so with the Aegis on top already and with access to Artifaces AND knowing that powercreep won't be an issue unless something gets past the Crucible or Opheon, the Aegis didn't need more than they already had. Ontos on the other hand was working with a blank slate of a world but 2 people in particular found the hax code and he had to figure that shit out before things got out of hand. Luckily he had plenty of time to lab it out after the 2 hackers crashed their own systems and the damage forced them into a LONG ASS REBOOT Wait, I'm talking in pure metaphors now... Screw it, I'm a modern black guy. If we don't speak in 60+% Metaphors, we're not having fun 😂
A part that you forgot to mention about Brighid is that in Chapter 4 Mythra says that if Brighid was using her full power she would have to go all out as well.
My issue with this is that the arguments for how strong some of these blades are ...is being based off of statements. I know that it's one game so you don't have a lot to go off of, but if you're going to powerscale you really don't want to try using statements for justification since they're not to be taken literally. Rex's statement about Zeke and Morag isn't fact that they're on the same level, that's how he sees them. One can be far stronger than the other. Also I think you kind of undersell Pyra here because we don't see her fight herself too much, also the times that she has lost can be attributed to Rex being a poor driver throughout a good portion of the story before he actually starts growing. It's always interesting to see videos like this, but the only blades I can see being stronger than Mythra based off of what we are able to see in game, is completed Malos and then Jin. I'm really only going off of story since I don't have all the rare blades. But the way I see it, you'd be better off trying to find feats to support rather than one sentence a character said. Like the whole thing about Zeke =Morag and so Pandoria = Brighid is a rather large leap of logic, not going to say they aren't strong blades, but I think even Pyra is on another level than most of the other blades. Nia FE is powerful in the sense that she has powerful cellular manipulation abilities, but I don't see her combat prowess being high enough to even beat Pyra lol. I mean all in all this is really just opinion, but I can't agree with a lot of this because it's based off of what characters have said rather than what we have actually seen.
Also everyone knows that Turters is way stronger than any Aegis smh. Maybe talk about in another video what might happen if a core crystal is put into animals. Make Turters a blade eater
On the note of Malos being stronger than mythra, I don’t know whether we can count the malos from the cliffs fight as “true malos” in the same way we would count pnemua as “true mythra” because there seems to be such a power gap between the two. For instance, in that fight, malos seems to be dealt with fairly easily by the party, it’s mainly Jin which is the threat. Also mythra beat malos in the aegis war, however judging from the cutscene we see, it almost looks like he’s taken at least part of a siren shot to his body, so take that evidence with a grain of salt, but I think malos and mythra could actually be around the same level with mythra possibly being stronger.
I also disagree with Siren not counting as part of her power :P but that aside, we see that she still has Pneuma’s power without turning into Pneuma (the ability to create what you imagine). When she fights against Malos, we see her use the same speed that she used against Jin the first time she awakened Pneuma. Of course, Malos was also able to do this which shows that Malos is more powerful than we were aware from the base game.
Is Mythra really that much stronger then a rare blade without Siren and her foresight? Malos seems more combat focused being tanky and has Hakaishin aura.
I feel an important note about Poppi is that she was the only blade in the party capable of using her power in Tantal's prison in story, and in SCE in gameplay. Sadly, the Aegis is conveniently taken away during these portions. I want to say the effect would be similar to Obrona's ether disruption, but Poppi _was_ affected by that, so I don't know how to scale that. All things aside, if _any_ of the blades talked about here unleashed their full power and channeled it into pure destruction, all of them (with the exception of Nia) would cause incredible damage.
Yes. We know that Mythra is immune to Obrona's field and Poppi and Pyra aren't. Exactly how Pyra is affected but not Mythra is a little confusing, but I'll let it slide for now. I just now remember that You can return to SCE with Mythra after getting her back and I genuinely don't know if Mythra is affected by it if you try because I don't spend much time there. There's also the question of whether Mythra is immune to Obrona's shackle blade in NG+ before the transformation, or if that was a special effect for that fight.
@@angeldude101 All real blades are affected by the SCE effects (even Pyra and Mythra); Poppi's forms are the only ones who are not. I think that the Obrona's field reduces the amount of ether that the Blades are able to use and transfer to their drivers; so if Mythra can just transfer a lot more than Pyra or Poppi then that could explain why she is not noticeably affected by it. Meanwhile the SCE effects limit how much ether a Blade can gather to themselves regardless of the source, thus why the real blades are limited but Poppi is not; Poppi gathers ether through a different process than normal Blades.
QTπ was a missed opportunity to have her unlocked in the story, her design is too good and she is amazing combat-wise to have her in an optional side quest
For against bridgid you have to remember that Addams wasn’t the driver meant for mythra, haze would weaken mythra And mythra was less experienced and more cocky (but all of that was from the torna DLC)
I highly doubt the Brighid vs Mythra sparring session were anywhere close to full power. They were most likely going on weapon skill and small fractions of their power.
What If Gunmar The Black Aka The SkullCrusher Was Malos Driver Like I Know He's The Leader Of Gumm Gumms And He's Bular's Father And Was Born From A Dying HeartStone But I Would If Gunmar Was His Driver Because He Can Use The Manado To Defeat Jim Lake Jr During Eternal Night Instead Of Using His Decimaar Blade
When discussing pyras power level I feel like you're not taking into account how rex was holding her back for the first half of the game. They lost the fight with brigid because rex didnt know what he was doing. End game pyra would be way stronger than early game pyra, because rex got a lot better as a driver. You gotta give my girl some more credit
No hate but when Rex, Mythra, Nia, and Dromarch were fighting Rosa in chapter 4 without Poppi they admitted that Rosa was too strong. But 25% into the battle when Tora came in and QT was awakened, the battle became much easier and they beat Rosa easily. This would mean that Poppi QT is about as strong as Mythra, and Poppi QTpi is a bit stronger.
There certainly are blades that are "stronger" in terms of pure one-to-one damage than Pyra/Mythra, and that's actually something lore AND game mechanics based. But, perhaps astonishingly, there is a lore and game counter to that. In terms of lore, the Aegis controls artifices and quite literally break the rules of the world, so even IF another blade would "win" a fair fight, the Aegis can ensure that no fight would be particularly fair. In terms of game mechanics, as far as I can tell "Ascended" Pyra/Mythra put any other blade to shame in terms of raw damage, but of course that state is extremely limited. However, Pyra/Mythra offers two element coverage for one slot, and Mythra can be built in ways that quite arguably break the game as well. You can build up driver combos and have combo options at a rate no other blade can match (as well as the ensuing Chain Attack which eclipses any DPS rate any other combination of blades by an order of magnitudes).
Mythra or Pyra? Cuz with enough time, Mythra can be game breaking. Also, Fiora is probably stronger game wise. Both can be as strong and stronger if you put in time.
Why would he? The reason why Pneuma/Mythra/Pyra are split as they are is due to Addam fearing how powerful she was, so she sealed away part of her power which gave birth to Mythra. Mythra then further sealed away some of her power giving birth to Pyra.
While dromaorch might be one of the weakest blades in game. Blade form nia was able to turn the tide in the fight versus malos with her powerful healing powers to counter all of his attacks. She even placed him in so much pain that he backed off a cliff. This the the most damage we've seen anyone done to him except for pneuma of course
Fan/Haze has the power to restrict blades and titans, and can cancel Mythra's foresight, so she is technically the same power tier than Mythra if not higher.
Gameplay wise kos mos, poppi qt pi, t elos, jin, shulk, elma and fiora all be as strong or stronger than aegis. Lore wise, jin, malos, maybe poppi, and if we include dlc, shulk definitely might be stronger as himself the third aegis sword. Brighid is stated to be weaker than mythra and going by torna, mythra is the strongest because of the artificifes.
i kinda like that. cause pneuma is just all elements. but i think the reason why its just light and fire is because light contains all the colors in the spectrum so its kinda like a lower level of pneuma, and pyras fire is basically just hot light, so a weaker version of mythra.
Imagine all the possible outcomes in their personalities and design? I guess, because would/may have the same body of pneuma, but with different characteristics, I can't imaging what would be these characteristics
Técnicamente, como égida, Pyra/Mythra puede reescribir las leyes físicas de su mundo. Por tanto, en una batalla al 100% un blade normal no podría hacer nada contra Pneuma. Pero si Pyra/Mythra luchan sin usar sus poderes de blade ni sus artefactos entonces sí que podría haber igualdad. Contra Pyra sería más fácil ganar porque o tiene el presagio que tiene Mythra. Pero para vencer a la segunda habría que ser más rápido que ella. No importa el poder, si no la puedes golpear entonces no conseguirás nada. Así que sólo blades como Jin pueden vencerla, que la superen en velocidad o puedan ralentizar sus movimientos. Esa es mi hipótesis.
I think the only one who can match Pneuma is Ontos, I mean he technically becomes a god in a different Universe. If Malos is the Mythra equivalent I'm willing to bet Ontos is the Pneuma equivalent, then again Alvis was never awakened as a Blade like Pneuma was but meh I like to have my own little theories about him since he's such an interesting character
Its honestly quite jarring how useless mythra really was for the majority of the game.We're constantly told that she's this "godly power" and yet for some reason,the group has trouble with people like brighid,who's power seems to conveniently drop post joining,and nearly every single blade/flesh eater,all of whom are apparently god-blade level tier because "THE POWER OF SCIENCE".its such a weird thing to discuss,especially when the story puts such heavy importance on an aegis's power.
@@ryanepps2183 Meyneth Fiora is stronger than an Aegis because she basically is a Goddes in that universe. If we put Logos/Pneuma in that universe they'd be just as powerful as Meyneth Fiora in not much more.
@Shoto Todoroki Except maybe in XC1 last Battle, mecha fiora never demonstrated feats that would suggest she’s Well above Mythra level (do think she’s still around mythra level, maybe a bit weaker)
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Luxin, we all know that the most powerful blade in existence is the wind knuckles blade. Dunno how you've forgotten them
Noponz I completely agree
Noponz Damn didn't know adenine was so strong
He means the very 1st blade u bond with cake its a common wind knuckle
Kiriu Ohhhhhh well I'm stupid
lol adanine is pretty good tho just not like top teir i mainly use her for farming tho
The blades may be better than Aegis, but they won't sway my love for Pyra.
Let's also remember that Pandoria could control Genbu at some extent, that would require some power
Other bits about Herald being weak in the fight against her is that she isn’t fighting alongside her driver, and it’s in the spirit crucible elpys, so she is weakened even more (probably intentionally on her part)
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If Amalthus didn’t start scrubbing data from every core crystal to reset them into commons, given enough time any blade could potentially become more powerful than Mythra. Both Brighid and Pandoria are national treasures of their respective countries’ royal families, and they’re about on par with Mythra (as explained in the video)
all that data also flows through the aegises tho
so while the other blades grow, mythra will grow too
Blades like Brigid and Aegeon has been passed down through the Empire for hundreds of years and Mythra only has 2 drivers so far
but data from every blade gets passed to the aegis at some point number of drivers shouldn't matter.
Also I don't think Brighid is on Mythra's level when shes explicitly stated to have lost all but one duel against her, and that one may have been because Mythra just sparred with Haze (I say may have because Mythra could've been lying about it cause she was embarrased lol)
I agree with that, imagine if Yamcha sparred against Goku 10 times, lost 9 but won one. It doesn't mean Yamcha is goku level. Someone being stronger means they're going to win more times than not, but doesn't mean they can't lose due to a mistake, lucky shot or just being overall arrogant (Which I think with Mythra losing against Brighid she could have been too cocky but I have nothing to back this up)
Owais Khan Well, it was not explained well in the video, but they mention how all matches were very close. It's like Vegeta losing 9 out of 10 times against Goku but both being equally exhausted afterwards.
Heats definitely puts more support to Brighid being Mythra level, but I had made a comment talking about how statements really shouldn't be used to justify power levels since they often times aren't taken to be literal. The connversation is one of thise where you could theoretically use it but I'm the type of person to want to see the evidence (i.e. them fight) rather than hear the two talk about it. I'm not saying Brighid is going to just lie, but I really don't like just taking people's word for it. I admit that I didn't see the branch where Brighid said that Mythra only narrowly beat her most of the time, but I was using the yamcha and goku example as a way to show how ridiculous I found the claim to be and its justification. Maybe in the Torna DLC we can see this fight between the two. Because people say the power of the Aegis sunk three continent 500 years ago but we learn that it was the result of the fight between Malos and Mythra (and could very well be their artifices doing that.)
But the way I see it I can't just go off of someone's word for power levels, I'd rather see the feats that you try and justify with. If we see something in the DLC that supports this, like an actual fight between Mythra and Brighid then that'll change my mind.
I think we can all agree that the true strongest Aegis is Ontos ;)
Rebellious That's due to circumstance. Ontos lives in a world entirely made of ether essentially making his power limitless. If we stuck malos and mythra there they'd be just as strong.
yup, i agree with this. Which means if alvis was put into alrest, he'd be on par with mythra and malos
ALVISSSSSS where are you D:
XC2's ether should work just the same, just that Alvis knew and figured out how to control every aspect of it, while Mythra and Malos didn't, I believe. Mythra's foresight for example should work just the same like the Monado's visions; by reading the ether movement in the air and predict someone's or something's next action (would match with DLC Shulk's foresight powers as well). Only that Mythra doesn't know exactly how she does that, other than "I'm the Aegis, I just can".
After all, everything is surrounded by ether. Blades draw the ether out of the air, manifest their powers in their weapons and Drivers let them rip with an art.
So I don't see why it should be different in either of these games.
Mark Fuzuzu We can inference its not. Ether comes from conduit/zohar going off what we know from past xeno games. Also its said ether is in the atmosphere. Instead of like in xenoblade 1 where its the building block of everything. This is even more evident from the differences of foresight and visions. Shulk has visions immediately. Mythra has to create a foresight bubble of sorts. Alvis explains visions come from calculations of the ether flow around them. So its safe to say ether is different in each world.
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@Jason Boudreau Friendzoned weapon is more accurate I think
9:37 On the Last Day at Addam's Camp, Mythra had just faced Haze (Fan la Norme) when Brighid wanted a piece of the action.
The main problem with this is that Mythra's insane power level doesn't come from her strength as a blade, though she is very impressive in that regard, it's her control over Siren(s?). I don't think that by herself she could sink a titan, but the Sirens are fucking orbital strike style nukes. Those could reasonably take on anyone as long as they're able to stay far away enough to shoot their beams from a distance (because they seem to be pretty fragile; Ophion handily takes down one by itself and a Saviorite rebel ship took down one by itself) and the person they're fighting doesn't have a flesh eater ability that happens to completely counter it (lookin at you, Jin). Otherwise, with Siren, I'm sure Mythra could reasonably take on anyone (besides Jin) and match Siren, the only reason she doesn't do that is cause she doesnt want to sink another continent by abusing Sirens power.
The torna golden country treehouse led me to believe that pre flesh eater Jin was on par with brighid and pandoria
marcus dewhurst yeah probably, jin was just a normal blade back then who was the strongest in torna and then he had to eat Lora's heart and got a full blood core crystal and became a ridiculously powerful blade with his light speed movement flesh eater ability
I kinda feel bad for Dromarch, He's canonically the weakest Blade of the party and doesn't even get a cool unique weapon
It’s only because Waifus are more desirable. No problems with women but and Aegeon are two of my favorite designs. All the male characters blades and driver seem to get shafted
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Should we really count brighid as mythra level? I mean I'm like 80% sure if Mythra called siren she'd win against brighid. Now whether artifices count as part of the aegises base power is a discussion that can be had.
Siren is their armament to begin with. Its like telling people can you drop your weaponry while i keep all my Abilities and Armament. Mythra decided not to use it because she would never want to harm her allies. She could have just hop in and destroy everything. She even purposely missed Siren's attacks on Akhos, Partroka and Mikhail. Pyra shows that the targeting ray would melt a blade if she just increase the output. Not to mention in game, Mythra only use her foresight 3 times and only Jin in flesh eater was able to beat that. It was never use for full offensive reason.
I didn't really count Siren throughout making this video, especially since Mythra uses it only once in the story outside of Sacred Arrow, which is basically just an extension of Mythra's innate powers. I'm of the opinion that it'll be used more often in T:TGC and end up damaged at the end so it can't do nearly as much, so it's probably more appropriate to say that Brighid, Pandy etc. probably surpassed Aegis War Mythra without Siren.
Luxin Well a correction. Mythra uses it 3 or 4 times in the main game not including sacred arrow.
Yeah that's more accurate to say they are stronger than mythra without Siren.
I don't believe its damaged. From what we've seen siren looks completely fine to the point of still being able to fight ophion. Or maybe Mythra uses backup units like seen in one late game low orbit station cutscenes.
Just out of curiosity, what were those times? We either have different definitions of Sacred Arrow or I'm forgetting a lot. I consider every time she uses it as an attack from above Sacred Arrow, so her awakening, Chapter 4 boss, count as it, as well as Pyra in Chapter 6 since she's exerting as much control as she can to get as close as possible to shooting one off, while the Ophion fight is the only time she actually brings it down to attack.
On the subject of the damage, people have noted that Siren's model appears to have more on it in the Golden Country trailer, which led to that theory which didn't originate with me (alongside hoping that there's a playable sequence in it)
In the Torna video, she is able to use Siren beam to destory Gargoyle. How can you disregard Siren as her ability/armament even if its was used only once or twice in story . She never wanted to use it because of its destruction. If this was 500 years ago and she was evil as Malos, she would have deploy Siren. If its pure brawl, yea she might lose but if you are battle experienced person, you would never go in a melee fight if you know your opponent have advantage at close quarter combat. This happens with Malos and Aion when he could have just blast the wall behind him instead of fighting melee with a mecha. Brain vs Muscle Brawl plot wise.
Additionally only Flesh eater Jin was able to counter Foresight due to sheer speed. Haze was able to neutralize (which is what i think will save Lora and Jin during vs Addam & Mythra). Mythra could have just use foresight > see the moment of the enemy > use siren beam beforehand and predict the impact time. But then again, her creed of not using Siren to kill living beings/allies is what reduced her battle effectiveness.
That makes sense, also one other bit of evidence for Kos-Mos/ T-elos being at lease on Mythra level. During battle, Kos-Mos may comment that her battle output is on par with that of Mythra's (I think it is when you switch Kos-Mos for Mythra).
Poppi is an anomaly. Form 2 Poppi's energy output impressed Mythra. But form 2 and form 3 are never necessary for the cutscenes or maybe never possible. There are a couple of reasons for that. One of which being that Tora has expressed in cutscenes and Heart to Hearts that he is not a good driver and has been holding Poppi back. The second reason could be her ether furnace reserves. We know that it is not unlimited after Tora's warning to Rex.
Poppi pleads to Mythra (not sure if it could also be Pyra if you chose her name) to destroy her if she ever goes Maverick (Megaman reference.) This is in a time after Pneuma was revealed. The reason is because she saw that an entire titan was sunk because of a blade and she feared her own power to do the same.
I do not consider Form 3 Poppi as canon to the story because she isn't in any cutscenes, but I do consider it to be Poppi's next form.
In the dream sequence when Rex fights all of his friends, he fights Zeke and Tora together and once again Poppi is in Alpha form. It is also mentioned that everyone had a similar experience. The question is when the others fought Rex who was he using? Pyra, Mythra, or Roc? Rex wasn't using the Aegis in his battle, so it's possible the Aegis wasn't in any of the fights forcing Rex to use his only other canon blade (besides random Wind Knuckle), Roc. My theory is that they would be fighting which ever name you gave Pneuma. And I disqualify Pneuma herself as a possibility because I do not believe Morag or Nia would have gotten past that.
What does all of this mean? Give Poppi a genius driver. Update Poppi's ether furnace. Canonize her 3rd form. And I believe that alone would surpass an Aegis without Aion. Poppi in 100 years? It won't even be a question.
Okay. I need a power ranking video now!
mythra could shoot you with a lightspeed canon from the sky....
I mean, brighid, herald and the rest are strong but not light speed instant death strong
There's literally a part in the game that explains that Siren's cannon itself isn't technically lightspeed.
@@minecraftsteve5746 But the targeting ray is light speed and can be amplified to the point of melting even an Aegis. Every other Blade would die as soon as the targeting ray would be set upon them.
Fan la Norne would have to be up there.
If Mythra really wanted to she could easily crush Brighid and Poppi as well as any normal blade because she holds back her power to avoid heavy damage. Pyra on the other hand is weaker than Mythra but she’s still more powerful than a normal blade I would say Brighid is on the same level as Pyra rather than Mythra
mythra asks poppi qt to destroy her if she went rampant for some reason, implying that mythra believes poppi holds a power great enough to at least toe to toe her
Mini Feebas Mythra promised Poppi she would destroy her if she looked like she was going to destroy the world and Poppi promised to Mythra that she will assist her in whatever she wants that being do not help Rex when Mythra sacrificed herself. Poppi never promised to destroy Mythra
i thought the promise went a bit further than that?
eh might be misremembering the h2h
@@minifeebas8911 The initial promise was kind of ambiguous on what Poppi would do for Mythra. At the time of the promise being made Mythra didn't name what Poppi would need to do for her, but one can easily misconstrue it to think that Mythra was asking for Poppi to do the same for her if Mythra went off the deep end. The reason we realize this is not the case is because of how the promise ends up being used.
Pneuma form aside, the bulk of Mythra's strength seemingly comes from her foresight visions and having remote control over a high-altitude weapon of mass destruction. One Siren alone is probably a match for the strongest titans and much more mobile to boot. In an actual melee battle she likely has to hold back severely to not vaporize her allies or even her own driver.
I think you forgot that combat prowess and the vaguely defined "power" you're talking about are different. Mythra has Siren, among the other powers of the Aegis. No other blade has anything close. I don't think Brighid could compete in an all-showcase of power with Mythra at all, but she's of almost equal skill with her weapons in a sparring match. I don't think comparing them with a vague idea of "power" really explains anything.
About the Mythra VS bright thing, I think Mythra didn't use her "full powers" agaisnt Bright on thise fights, because come on, if they use that power every time while training Torna would be destroyed WAAAAY the fight beetwen Malod and Mythra, it's kinda like Goku only using Super saiyan 2 in a fight even when he can use super saiyan god 2, he doesn't go full power, just use a controlable power
Do the Titans themselves have names? While playing I noticed a few location's names seemed to hint at the Titans names. I have genbu drifts for Tantal, Cataracts of Rujah in Uraya, and Melnaths shoulder in Gormott. Are these the Titans actual names or not really meant to mean anything? (I know Tantals Titan is called genbu)
-thanks for the video idea-
Luxin Also found Valdorm's mound in Mor Ardain
I think their references to other Xenogames like MELNATH AND MEYNETH there not too far off so it could be that
After looking at Nia vs Malos again, her cancer was definitely impressive and could take out many opponents that couldn't hard counter it, but I actually think what she does earlier might be even more impressive. Malos was using Eater against Zeke and was being pushed back by Nia's power surrounding Zeke. Then Nia pushes a little more and _SHATTERS MALOS'S EATER!_ That's not hax; that's not subverting an opponent's defences; that's plain and simple _overpowering the opponent with brute force! And against an _*_Aegis_*_ no less!_
What _would_ be hard countering would be that I believe Nia would be able to defeat Zenobia's enemy. Its biggest strength is regenerating any damage almost instantly. Regeneration is Nia's specialty and her cancer attack _weaponizes_ it. This enemy doesn't have a core crystal to regenerate from, so Nia could turn its greatest strength into its greatest weakness, killing it from the inside.
What about Fan la Nore
Connor Dunn yeah Lora was able to counter addam instantly even though mythra was using foresight. Not to mention a certain someone uses half her power to literally control every titan in alrest
Juju the Homs That person isn't using Fan's power to control the titans, they use there power as the master driver, a power given by their special blade, remember. A power Rex gets too. They use some type of signal emitters to amplify their powers to control not only blades but titans too.
Mathew Kerr Actually he's using both at the same time
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And it's Boosted by the amplifiers.
Juju the Homs mythra wasn't able to use foresight because haze/fan can surpress blades powers
I mean, I think its like this. The Aegis are strong because they have various haxx due to being the centers of the whole blade system, but their physical bodies can be outperformed by specific rares. Wulfric has superstrength, mythra doesn't. It stands to reason that Wulfric can lift heavier weights than Mythra. And that is indeed a kind of strength.
You know i wonder, what would Malos' Logos/Awakened form look like and what about his weapon
I tought the same thing, if we go by the alvis=ontos theory then his sword would probably look alot like the true monado/aegis. How he himself would look i dunno, probably just a colorswap and different armor like Pneuma
Coolatypen98 now I'm imagining him as like a red color. Black and purple to blood red with black highlights would look sick.
Yeah. Tough i think his true form would most likely be colored after his core like Pneuma. So most likely he would just be purple af
Mine N Adventurer _The Aegis Boy_ probably violet like Pneuma’s green, and NO HOMO
he probably would have a more revealing outfit because he’s supposed to be the contrast of Pneuma and Pneuma’s outfit compared to Pyra’s and Mythra’s covers up way more skin
Zeke von Genbu, Bringer of Chaos LOL showing off those swole AF muscles Nia gave him by reversing Cell regen rate
"I won't show the heart-to-heart because it's from a later area."
(Shows the Land of Morytha as the background)
Kasandra is the most powerful blade in a fight because she carries the power to bestow Zekes horrible luck on anyone she fights
09:56-ish Remember that Its unlikely that mythra was using Sacred arrow and it was only sword combat
Zenobia could've also yeeted Mr Thanatobeast into the upper atmosphere, giving it the Kars treatment.
I honesty feel like zenobia couldve originally a story blade but they change her for what ever reason
As it is implied that all light type blades gain their power from the Zohar instead of ether, it should be likely that all of them are at about Mythras power ( cannon wise ). T-elos is cannonically about as strong if not stronger than KOS-MOS btw. You could have added some of their respective accomplishments from the Xenosaga-series but then again, I don't know how familiar you are with those games. Also you forgot to mension both Blade Eaters as they are on/above the level of the flesh eaters
I haven't played Saga yet, but I don't really think it's fair to count it anyway since the Blades are alternate universe versions of the characters and not the original somehow transported to the XC2 universe like Shulk and Fiora, so there's no guarantee that the XC2 ones are as strong as the XS ones.
Random Bui Is that truly ever implied. Its only said by the architect the trinity processers recieve power from the conduit. Plus Malos is a dark blade not a light based one
Cake# I haven't said that only light type blades gain their power from the Zohar/Conduit. All light blades ( including DLC ) are highly advanced machines/robots ( atleast if the Monado truly is the missing Aegis ) and nobody other than Tora's grandfather and likely the architect know how to create them/their cores. They are also special since there are no regular/common blades of that element. As we know from previous Xeno-games, the Zohar/Conduit is also a very strong energy provider and is seemingly mechanicle ( I won't go into further detail about it as everything beyond this exposition about it would consist of some really huge spoilers for the entire Xenosaga trilogy ). Important to note is that all light blades except both Poppy QTπ and Poppybuster, all light blades were created with the Zohar/Conduit as one of their main powersources and we know from Xenosaga that the Zohar is emitting a certain type of comunicational waves wich happen to be mentioned by Klaus. So while both the 2 Poppys and KOS-MOS can recieve power from the Zohar, they can only utalize it to a certain degree just like Malos, Pneuma and Ontos do, only on a lower level. ( Sorry if my english is bad/barely understandable at times, it's not my first language and I am still learning )
Random Bui But once again that's never said. Klaus says only the trinity recieve power from the conduits
I just got the dlc today and it's fun
I'm not sure... It COULD just be Rex. I remember someone saying something like... the power of the blade depends on the power of the driver.
I would like a tier list on blades cannon power levels.
It makes sense for Malos to be on Mythra's level or higher, he wouldn't think about restraining himself like she would. I'd lean to Malos being stronger one on one vs Mythra (no Pneuma) considering she's been asleep half a millenia.
(This is before I watch the video)
There are a lot of blades stronger than pyra(poppi qtpie, Zenobia etc) but mythra eeeh I think she's still on another level
i have a question, Pneuma is the fusion of Mithra and Pyra, right, or more correctly Pyra and Mithra are the shattered form of Pneuma, is that correct ?
Here some blades that you miss that are over mythra :
- HAZE : She fucking BEAT MYTHRA AND BRIGHID AT THE SAME TIME in TTCG, and Jin consider that she is pretty dangerous.
- The wind knucles blade : obviously he/she is top tier
- Corvin : he seriously says that he is swords consils a immense power, and his in-game stats are clearly broken
- Sheba : In my head-cannon, the more she as money, the more she is powerful
- Finch : you say she is probably under pyra, but listen to this : she revolves around forgetting things, and one of her in-game feat is to forget the attacks she has made, to effectivly redoing them. So, in my head-cannon, she can alter reality by forget things. Special arts are made out of ether (a real thing) and she just refill herself automaticly with ether.
- Ursula : she can't beat mythra, but she also just can't die
I believe the best feats you will get for KOS-MOS and T-elos are in xenogears and xenosaga because their characters are based off of those games as well as their attacks
Aaron Luedemann wait so would they be weaker than their XS counterparts?
Aaron Luedemann I know I was just curious
Now with Pyra and Mythra in smash...
Well, a fast hedgehog boi can be on par with them.
Roasting Mythra will never get old.
When you have mythra vs malos you got to think about the fact that mythra has Siren and not malos
Miytra couldn't really use her full power without Adam screaming at her though....
I’d like an Anti-Content ID bird for my screensaver
Depends how you define stronger? i think Briget alone would rate Pyras ability to retain her memory far stronger than some battle powers for example. And the Agisis ability to syncronize with instruments alone blows out any normal blades even rediculess powerfull ones like Jin. What would have been able to Stop mythra if she went mad once awaked? She could just Obital bombarded anything that isnt hidenn inside a titan and probably killed millions directly or indirectly. We dont got to see Malos own instruments were pyra/mythra had 3 bound to them at least.
If ophion werent damaged pyra would have been able to concoll it. MYthra controlls sieren and opion at the same time probably during the Torma eara and there is a bit muddy while pyra and mythra together controlled aion that part is a bit unclear and unlogical sice pyra basically is a sealing for mythra with its own personality how does that worked during the agis wars and how did she actually came to be?
Agises power isnt depending on their own personal power since tehy can controll Instuments? Jin for example is powerfull but what would happen if he is caught on a Gormoti plain and just get Blasted fpr hours from orbit by Syren? His OPness wont do him any good in that situation and its allready established that he couldnt protect his driver from something far less powerfull than Syren.or Opion.
i am almost 100% certain that kos-mos and t-elos are roughly as powerful as pneuma and here’s why-
kos-mos and t-elos both originate as characters from the xenosaga series where they’re both extremely powerful machines that draw their power from the zohar. there is STRONG evidence that the zohar in xenosaga is the conduit of xenoblade- they have the exact same shape and colors, and work the same- drawing near-infinite power from another dimension. in other words, kos-mos and t-elos are functionally aegises- possibly even prototypes for the three aegises klaus would go on to make. it seems like monolithsoft is going the route of tying all the xeno games (not just xenoblade) together, so we might get more info on this in the future
You forgot KOS-MOS is from other xeno games but that might not be canon, I don't know about core crystals and whether AI could've taken that form (I know the trinity processor definitely did but other core crystals have the Morytha explanation for existing or whatever) but if this is indeed the same KOS-MOS as the other games, she's at least as powerful as an Aegis.
11:00 Those are literally all the same costumes I have for my party
"Pyra turned into Mythra and now she can blow people up".
I've never understood how someone can not like your content, it is truly baffling.
Also your content claim protection birb is probably not going to very effective unfortunately. I hope nothing happens
who hurt you
Poppy created a fucking monster
How I see the Blade Tier Lists:
Full Powered Malos and Pneuma
Full Powered Jin
Mythra
Nia
Torna Flesh Eaters
Jin
Fan La Nore
Bridgid
Pandoria
Weaken Malos
Shulk (Due to only having the Monado 1, easily on FP Malos and Pneuma level if having spoilers)
Zenobia/Herald/KOS-MOS/other strong rare blades, could also see Poppi QTpi
Pyra
Poppi QT
Poppi a
Dromarch
Without watching the video (I have my reasons) I'm gonna say I don't think the 2 Aegis in XC2 had really tapped into their full potential. My evidence is the fact that Malos pulled a freaking Monado on you and still lost, then never used it again. I feel as though all the Aegis have the ability to access the Monado and wield it to an extreme extent but Ontos was the only one who really put any effort into learning it. Kinda like in Smash Bros when everyone sleeps on a character after release because it doesn't conform to what was "good" in the last game but then months later someone who actually dedicated themselves to that character shows up with some busted new skills and suddenly everyone learns that the character is actually good but different.
I feel like Malos just couldn't master it so he stuck to what he knew and Pneuma plain wasn't interested in that kind of power at all or never tapped into it (directly). And Klaus could tap into it but the part of him that could was... Uhh... Lets just say he was running a support build because his main was on a different server...
Long story short though, the XC2 universe seems to have more generally powerful beings in it so with the Aegis on top already and with access to Artifaces AND knowing that powercreep won't be an issue unless something gets past the Crucible or Opheon, the Aegis didn't need more than they already had.
Ontos on the other hand was working with a blank slate of a world but 2 people in particular found the hax code and he had to figure that shit out before things got out of hand. Luckily he had plenty of time to lab it out after the 2 hackers crashed their own systems and the damage forced them into a LONG ASS REBOOT
Wait, I'm talking in pure metaphors now... Screw it, I'm a modern black guy. If we don't speak in 60+% Metaphors, we're not having fun 😂
YOU FORGOT HAZE!
I read this in angry Mio voice
A new powerscaler has entered the field!
A part that you forgot to mention about Brighid is that in Chapter 4 Mythra says that if Brighid was using her full power she would have to go all out as well.
The ones i believe are stronger than an aegis are
Haze
Nia
Flesh Eater Jin
My issue with this is that the arguments for how strong some of these blades are ...is being based off of statements. I know that it's one game so you don't have a lot to go off of, but if you're going to powerscale you really don't want to try using statements for justification since they're not to be taken literally. Rex's statement about Zeke and Morag isn't fact that they're on the same level, that's how he sees them. One can be far stronger than the other. Also I think you kind of undersell Pyra here because we don't see her fight herself too much, also the times that she has lost can be attributed to Rex being a poor driver throughout a good portion of the story before he actually starts growing. It's always interesting to see videos like this, but the only blades I can see being stronger than Mythra based off of what we are able to see in game, is completed Malos and then Jin. I'm really only going off of story since I don't have all the rare blades.
But the way I see it, you'd be better off trying to find feats to support rather than one sentence a character said.
Like the whole thing about Zeke =Morag and so Pandoria = Brighid is a rather large leap of logic, not going to say they aren't strong blades, but I think even Pyra is on another level than most of the other blades.
Nia FE is powerful in the sense that she has powerful cellular manipulation abilities, but I don't see her combat prowess being high enough to even beat Pyra lol.
I mean all in all this is really just opinion, but I can't agree with a lot of this because it's based off of what characters have said rather than what we have actually seen.
Also everyone knows that Turters is way stronger than any Aegis smh. Maybe talk about in another video what might happen if a core crystal is put into animals. Make Turters a blade eater
Waifusmith Ehhhh pyra is pretty underwhelming as a blade. All she does in game is get her ass beat
On the note of Malos being stronger than mythra, I don’t know whether we can count the malos from the cliffs fight as “true malos” in the same way we would count pnemua as “true mythra” because there seems to be such a power gap between the two. For instance, in that fight, malos seems to be dealt with fairly easily by the party, it’s mainly Jin which is the threat. Also mythra beat malos in the aegis war, however judging from the cutscene we see, it almost looks like he’s taken at least part of a siren shot to his body, so take that evidence with a grain of salt, but I think malos and mythra could actually be around the same level with mythra possibly being stronger.
About Herald, they killed her driver to stop her, I’d say if they didn’t cop her out like that she’d have destroyed a titan pretty hard
I also disagree with Siren not counting as part of her power :P but that aside, we see that she still has Pneuma’s power without turning into Pneuma (the ability to create what you imagine). When she fights against Malos, we see her use the same speed that she used against Jin the first time she awakened Pneuma. Of course, Malos was also able to do this which shows that Malos is more powerful than we were aware from the base game.
can we please have a update for this for torna?
*says he's not going to show the ch.8 location*
*Shows a still of the ch.8 location*
Isnt mythta is just Pnuema? The nost Broken blade?
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Is Mythra really that much stronger then a rare blade without Siren and her foresight? Malos seems more combat focused being tanky and has Hakaishin aura.
I feel an important note about Poppi is that she was the only blade in the party capable of using her power in Tantal's prison in story, and in SCE in gameplay. Sadly, the Aegis is conveniently taken away during these portions. I want to say the effect would be similar to Obrona's ether disruption, but Poppi _was_ affected by that, so I don't know how to scale that.
All things aside, if _any_ of the blades talked about here unleashed their full power and channeled it into pure destruction, all of them (with the exception of Nia) would cause incredible damage.
angeldude101 Mythra doesn't use ether so it wouldn't matter. She'd be using the conduits power.
Yes. We know that Mythra is immune to Obrona's field and Poppi and Pyra aren't. Exactly how Pyra is affected but not Mythra is a little confusing, but I'll let it slide for now. I just now remember that You can return to SCE with Mythra after getting her back and I genuinely don't know if Mythra is affected by it if you try because I don't spend much time there. There's also the question of whether Mythra is immune to Obrona's shackle blade in NG+ before the transformation, or if that was a special effect for that fight.
@@angeldude101 All real blades are affected by the SCE effects (even Pyra and Mythra); Poppi's forms are the only ones who are not. I think that the Obrona's field reduces the amount of ether that the Blades are able to use and transfer to their drivers; so if Mythra can just transfer a lot more than Pyra or Poppi then that could explain why she is not noticeably affected by it. Meanwhile the SCE effects limit how much ether a Blade can gather to themselves regardless of the source, thus why the real blades are limited but Poppi is not; Poppi gathers ether through a different process than normal Blades.
QTπ was a missed opportunity to have her unlocked in the story, her design is too good and she is amazing combat-wise to have her in an optional side quest
For against bridgid you have to remember that Addams wasn’t the driver meant for mythra, haze would weaken mythra And mythra was less experienced and more cocky (but all of that was from the torna DLC)
I highly doubt the Brighid vs Mythra sparring session were anywhere close to full power. They were most likely going on weapon skill and small fractions of their power.
what abt Ontos? didnt he appear in xc1?
I mean it could just be continent level durability but that just seems like a copout
Well, Torna the Golden Country showed us that Jin is the most powerful Blade in therms of offensive stats.
In terms of raw fire power, none of the blades come close to the aegises
What about Dagas, he defeated a monster that destroyed a Kingdom and was massive. Zenobia didn't even kill it, she just hit it away
What If Gunmar The Black Aka The SkullCrusher Was Malos Driver Like I Know He's The Leader Of Gumm Gumms And He's Bular's Father And Was Born From A Dying HeartStone But I Would If Gunmar Was His Driver Because He Can Use The Manado To Defeat Jim Lake Jr During Eternal Night Instead Of Using His Decimaar Blade
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When discussing pyras power level I feel like you're not taking into account how rex was holding her back for the first half of the game. They lost the fight with brigid because rex didnt know what he was doing. End game pyra would be way stronger than early game pyra, because rex got a lot better as a driver. You gotta give my girl some more credit
No hate but when Rex, Mythra, Nia, and Dromarch were fighting Rosa in chapter 4 without Poppi they admitted that Rosa was too strong. But 25% into the battle when Tora came in and QT was awakened, the battle became much easier and they beat Rosa easily. This would mean that Poppi QT is about as strong as Mythra, and Poppi QTpi is a bit stronger.
There certainly are blades that are "stronger" in terms of pure one-to-one damage than Pyra/Mythra, and that's actually something lore AND game mechanics based.
But, perhaps astonishingly, there is a lore and game counter to that. In terms of lore, the Aegis controls artifices and quite literally break the rules of the world, so even IF another blade would "win" a fair fight, the Aegis can ensure that no fight would be particularly fair.
In terms of game mechanics, as far as I can tell "Ascended" Pyra/Mythra put any other blade to shame in terms of raw damage, but of course that state is extremely limited. However, Pyra/Mythra offers two element coverage for one slot, and Mythra can be built in ways that quite arguably break the game as well. You can build up driver combos and have combo options at a rate no other blade can match (as well as the ensuing Chain Attack which eclipses any DPS rate any other combination of blades by an order of magnitudes).
what about shulk?
I can tell this is before Torna DLC
And then Alvis just resets the universe. Althrough that's probably because he has control of that world or whatever.
Brighid: absolutely not
Jin: quite likely
PoppiQTpi : without a doubt stronger
Mythra or Pyra? Cuz with enough time, Mythra can be game breaking. Also, Fiora is probably stronger game wise. Both can be as strong and stronger if you put in time.
Technically doesn't malos have a true form as well
Why would he? The reason why Pneuma/Mythra/Pyra are split as they are is due to Addam fearing how powerful she was, so she sealed away part of her power which gave birth to Mythra. Mythra then further sealed away some of her power giving birth to Pyra.
While dromaorch might be one of the weakest blades in game. Blade form nia was able to turn the tide in the fight versus malos with her powerful healing powers to counter all of his attacks. She even placed him in so much pain that he backed off a cliff. This the the most damage we've seen anyone done to him except for pneuma of course
Except maybe Jin, I don’t really see them (Monolith) making any of the blades mentioned stronger than mythra lore wise.
Fan/Haze has the power to restrict blades and titans, and can cancel Mythra's foresight, so she is technically the same power tier than Mythra if not higher.
But apart from that she can't do much while fighting
Gameplay wise kos mos, poppi qt pi, t elos, jin, shulk, elma and fiora all be as strong or stronger than aegis.
Lore wise, jin, malos, maybe poppi, and if we include dlc, shulk definitely might be stronger as himself the third aegis sword. Brighid is stated to be weaker than mythra and going by torna, mythra is the strongest because of the artificifes.
Kinda cool that zenobia might be the strongest blade in the world as It was my first rare Blade lmao
Poppi lifted a cannon, therefore she is stronger than the blade who was made by the blade that was literally made to be the strongest blade in Alrest.
well theres story and gameplay segregation, but jin is reeeaallly powerful. like malos is an aegis and dude needs a robot to fight the squad lmao.
Ok but name one character who can beat the Klaus Lab Door?
What about a theory where Mythra can create other "sisters" like Pyra but with other elements like water, wind, etc.
i kinda like that. cause pneuma is just all elements. but i think the reason why its just light and fire is because light contains all the colors in the spectrum so its kinda like a lower level of pneuma, and pyras fire is basically just hot light, so a weaker version of mythra.
Imagine all the possible outcomes in their personalities and design? I guess, because would/may have the same body of pneuma, but with different characteristics, I can't imaging what would be these characteristics
Hombre X Bross she's basically eevee
Yep, but with very interesting outcomes to see
Agree with what you said, but I still asking myself what the other forms would look like if Mythra would choose other elements than fire to do Pyra.
Jin maybe poppi and brighid no.
Técnicamente, como égida, Pyra/Mythra puede reescribir las leyes físicas de su mundo. Por tanto, en una batalla al 100% un blade normal no podría hacer nada contra Pneuma. Pero si Pyra/Mythra luchan sin usar sus poderes de blade ni sus artefactos entonces sí que podría haber igualdad. Contra Pyra sería más fácil ganar porque o tiene el presagio que tiene Mythra. Pero para vencer a la segunda habría que ser más rápido que ella. No importa el poder, si no la puedes golpear entonces no conseguirás nada. Así que sólo blades como Jin pueden vencerla, que la superen en velocidad o puedan ralentizar sus movimientos. Esa es mi hipótesis.
How durable/powerful are full grown titans
Pyra is a bit stronger than a rarity 2 blade.
Mythra is a bit stronger than a rarity 3 blade.
Pneuma is a goddess.
And Electra is Number 1
Alvis!!!!
I think the only one who can match Pneuma is Ontos, I mean he technically becomes a god in a different Universe. If Malos is the Mythra equivalent I'm willing to bet Ontos is the Pneuma equivalent, then again Alvis was never awakened as a Blade like Pneuma was but meh I like to have my own little theories about him since he's such an interesting character
you forgot haze/fan
Its honestly quite jarring how useless mythra really was for the majority of the game.We're constantly told that she's this "godly power" and yet for some reason,the group has trouble with people like brighid,who's power seems to conveniently drop post joining,and nearly every single blade/flesh eater,all of whom are apparently god-blade level tier because "THE POWER OF SCIENCE".its such a weird thing to discuss,especially when the story puts such heavy importance on an aegis's power.
I mean they had trouble with Brigid while using Pyra I thino better example of what you're saying would be Giga Rosa.
SPOILER...
If we talk about DLC characters, Fiora $#!* on Mythra.
Cedric Alley I'm guessing you mean Meyneth Fiora which is stronger than an aegis easily
@@ryanepps2183 Meyneth Fiora is stronger than an Aegis because she basically is a Goddes in that universe. If we put Logos/Pneuma in that universe they'd be just as powerful as Meyneth Fiora in not much more.
@Shoto Todoroki Except maybe in XC1 last Battle, mecha fiora never demonstrated feats that would suggest she’s Well above Mythra level (do think she’s still around mythra level, maybe a bit weaker)
The only reason the Aegises are the strongest in terms of story is because of their control over the Artifaces.