So that's kind of a bummer cause it means their was never gonna be a second game that strung together with the first game. It also means the 3 core Crystal's were entirely made up. So basically 2's plot was completely unplanned and made up.
@@chrono7318 Its a little bad, only because whatever the added core crystal around Alvis replaced is now a changed asset that wont ever be known anymore. I know it's a small thing but it's more than just changing a little trinket, it's like changing the lore or Xenoblade 1. It tells me Alvis, whatever he was before, wasnt a core crystal from the world of X2, so it speaks more to the philosophy behind the original game being changed. Also it makes me wonder what Alvis' mysterious existence was meant to be before. I just dont really approve of changing previous game assets to better "fit" with the lore established later. It kind of messes with the vision of the game as it was before. It's not really THAT bad of a thing but I personally hate seeing things of the past die in any sense. And I love the lore of the 3 core Crystal's in general and how they connect so this softens my disappointment a bit.
Stormcutter 59 i mean Alvis was always part of the trinity core processor, he says it himself. IMO the core crystal changes nothing and just makes things fit together better
@@chrono7318 Oh yeah that's right I forgot. Still I dont see why they had to make it look different. I get it's easier to catch but subtlety would have been nice.
Confirmed: Xenoblade Wiki: The trinity processor has inscribed proverbs verses numbers on it, for alvis it is 3:13. Alvis' name means "all wise," and gueesss what?? proverbs 3:13's theme is, wouldnt u know it, wisdom.
The more i watch his video the more i feel like Xenoblade is just a sci-fi version of the Zelda franchise but the holy golden triangle the 3 godess are computer program who ave sword here lol Hikari maloss and Alvis also i ave played and beaten both Xenoblade for the first time on the switch and oh boy the wii version really didn't age well lol cell-shading really do make everything look better in the long therm
Fun thing in the definitive edition the key is changed to a red eagis core cristal same as Homura/hikari and maloss from Xenoblade 2 nintendoreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/xenoblade-2-4-656x369.jpg
Slight spoiler... I wonder if anyone ever noticed how similar Alvis's lines are with Pyra's when they first met Shulk/Rex? Pyra: My name is Pyra. Rex: Oh right. Mine is-- Pyra: I know you. You're Rex, right? Rex: How did you know my name? Alvis: My name is Alvis. Shulk: Alvis? Um, my name's-- Alvis: It's Shulk. Isn't it? Shulk: How did you know that? Plus Alvis calls the Xeno2 universe his home. And Alvis literally performs a blade combo when he was teaching Shulk Monado Purge. Even does the same weapon toss back to the "driver". Also becomes affected by the Apocrypha like how Rex & crew were affected by the waves from Obrona in chapter 3. The particles were red as well. There are more similarities, but I gotta remember them first. lol
Moby Brick I knew I was forgetting something. Plus, Monado Shield and the shield thing that Blades can do have that soccer ball design to it. And they both protect against a bunch of small attacks or one really strong attack.
And I swear I’m forgetful. Does anyone remember Sani the Telethia? Doesn’t it remind you of Mythra’s Siren? It shoots down beams of light just like it, and it seems to only obey Alvis. Doesn’t look like any of the telethia in the game or in flashbacks, but it does resemble the statues we see on Prison Island.
Remember that, like Pyra, Alvis comes to Shulk in dreams. He's probably also the one that revives Shulk after Zanza leaves his body, much like Pyra revives Rex.
@@TARDISES I got introduced to the xeno series back in March of this year. Since then I've played through XC2, XCX, XC1, Xenogears, XC:DE in that order and I was convinced it was Alvis before seeing the necklace in DE.
I am Greek and when I first saw Mythra/Pyra transform I was quite shocked 😅,seeing pneuma(pneuma means spirit in greek) and in the final chapter hearing logos(meaning reason) made me appreciate the game even more.
Ontos color is orange. This is Pneumas emerald in RGB: rgb(0, 255, 155). If you move the numbers to the next position you get Logos purple: rgb(155, 0, 255). So, if you move the numbers again to the next position you get Ontos' color: rgb(255, 155, 0). You can slightly modify the numbers, that just varies the tone. This 3 colors are perfect equidistant between them and white color.
Or, more simply, orange is the only secondary color not accounted for. Green (combination of yellow and blue) is Pneuma, purple (combination of red and blue) is Logos, but orange (combination of yellow and red) is not present and is likely the color of Ontos' crystal.
When I started watching this video and saw what Alvis looked like again, I KNEW that that key around his neck could be his processor, even before he mentioned it. Just look at the shape, it has the same general outline as the Aegis cores(minus the teeth, of course), AND it's orange. Of course, I know that the creator didn't mean for it to look like an Aegis core since he didn't even think about the second game back then, but the shape is still subtly alluding to the Zohar/Conduit. I think it's more of a conscious decision to make the Aegis cores in the same shape and place them in the same area as Alvis's key that makes the other two a reference to HIM since Lobos and Pnuema are essentially also AIs that had the same function as him before they became blades.
I gotta disagree here. Pyra/Mythra/Pneuma's sword has green glowing highlights and she has a green core, while Malos's sword has purple glowing highlights and he has a purple core, so I'd say Alvis (by that same logic) would have a light blue core.
Alvis having his own space time event is actually a mistranslation, in the Japanese script Ontos simply disappeared at the same the universe was created
I think there is another connection that you didn't cover that also leads credence this whole subject. Near chapter 6/7 Malos mentioned that the Aegises do indeed have redundancy and that's why he needs Mythra's core. Her core contained at least partial data of his own that he needed to repair his. I believe the same is true for Alvis. Zanza's and Meyneth's Monados, I believe, are Alvis' attempt in recreating the other two processors. Since there isn't full redundancy, he is only able to create thier weapons (yes I think Pnuema's three weapons parallel more to Meyneth's Monado as it also has three forms that share Pnuema's color scheme as well general shape) so Alvis decided to give the Monados to Zanza and Meyneth to fill in the gaps. This is why "Shulk's" Monado is called the True Monado. It's Alvis' Aegis weapon. The only one Alvis has full data on.
The ending of Xenoblade lends credence to this, as Alvis, and the Monados of Zanza and Meyneth, are arranged in a manner reminiscent of the trinity processor when the world is being remade by Shulk.
Bramblefire keep in mind. We see ontos as a sword in xc2 as the third sword in the ruins at rex’s home town, basically it’s likely all 3 blades exist in all three universes at once,
While that is a great theory, I'm more inclined to believe that the Monados are just different versions of Ontos' weapon. The Aegises all seem to have one or more lower powered forms, which have a common name for their world, and their true "greek name" form. We see Pneuma's as Pyra and Mythra both physically and in weapon form, and we see Ontos' Zanza and Meyneth Monados and his physical form, Alvis, which probably is the one that is associated with Zanza's Monado as he is one of Zanza's disciples and opens up Monado Purge in that one scene where he and Shulk fight like a Blade and Driver combo (Pyra is never seen with Mythra's sword, for instance, so we can conjecture that Alvis using Meyneth's Monado would take on a different physical appearance, maybe even that of a woman as he is quite an androgynous individual in and of itself and a computer core inherently has no concept of gender, when we look at it). We never see Alvis' true Ontos form (unless it's meant to be the green light at the end, which might even be retconned in Definitive Edition soon), but we do see his true Ontos weapon, the Third Monado. We also never see Malos' Logos form, presumably because what is required to trigger it is a strong bond with a driver (Pneuma and Rex, Ontos and Shulk) and he and Amalthus never really cared for each other other than Amalthus' influencing Malos' nihilistic philosophy.
Pneuma's sword has a ring that could have Monado Art Symbols if neccesary. There might be something to look in to there, that the two incomplete combos (a driver without a blade ((Shulk)) and a blade without a driver((Malos))) both use monado arts, while the one, complete combo (driver AND blade ((Rex and Pneuma))) don't. I also believe that Rex and Pneuma have equal power to Shulk with the True Monado. It's just a question of how much power was neccesary at the time. Mythra specifically told Rex not to get carried away with all that power, and I'm fairly sure Rex kept that to heart. Shulk, meanwhile, has no reason to hold back against Zanza.
Note that Shulk's final attack against Zanza is extremely similar to how Rex summons an artifice blast (Conduit's power), and it could be deduced that Shulk is using exactly that -- the Zohar's energy, to kill Zanza.
Oooh, good point! Shulk needed to slay a god but all Rex and Pneuma needs to do was focus power on Aion's core for a few seconds. Shulk had no need to shackle his power, but Rex just meant to stop a Blade, not a semi-omnipotent being.
Looks more like Logos: Destruction Pneuma: Creation Ontos: Administration, Arbitration These follow more in line with their unique abilities and in game roles. Pneuma fully awakened has full control over elementary particles, as shown in the ending scene when she recreates herself as two separate entities from a single particle touching her inactive processor and the reality warping, which is, by the way, the same thing as recreating the universe, just on a smaller scale. She could do it, but her imprinted personality from Rex as a pure being meant that she would never consider it as the harm it would do would be too great. However, it is stated in game that she has the power to rewrite the “laws” of that universe, and is explained as the Zohar’s power. This is something, not possible for either of the other two and makes her far stronger than Ontos when her admin privileges are restored. Ontos, I believe is admin, or arbitration because through the entire first game, he is essentially collecting data through the physical body he uses and the 3 Monado wielders. He then uses that data to determine a “course of action”, or side to take. He never, however actively intervenes in the events taking place, as this is not his role. The closest he comes is sending power to the monado wielders. This includes bringing Shulk back to life. He pulled his consciousness away so as to not interfere with the course of events and keep himself concealed. Resurrecting Shulk was more Ontos responding to his will than an independent action as shown in the scene when they speak. This is very similar to the beginning with Rex and Pyra, as you said. The difference is, Ontos needed confirmation. Pneuma did not. This makes sense if Ontos’ role as a core processor is essentially administration, or arbitration as that role is to manage the flow of events to create a desired outcome. This is why it makes sense that Pneuma presided over creation and not just life, and Ontos is an administrator, or arbitrator, as he move behind the scenes to bring events to his desired conclusion. It also helps your theory on him moving the inhabitants of XC1 to the currently restoring Earth in XC2. He has the power to move them to a desired ending. This includes other dimensions, but he can not create, or destroy a whole universe as those are abilities specific to Pnuema and Logos
6:00 also mythra has an ability called “foresight” that can see the opponent’s attacks seconds before they happen. THATS LITERLLY WATERED DOWN MONADO VISION
Finally got around to watching this video after completing Xenoblade DE. Alvis’s key was replaced with an Aegis core necklace in DE. So the key was just Monolithsoft not knowing that Xenoblade would be a series
Got my ancien Greek dictionary here, all three of them are in there: Λόγος means either: 1. Word, statement, discussion, argument, story, message, subject, 2. Calculation, number, value, Or 3. Reasoning, debate Πνευμα means either: 1. Blowing (i.e. of the wind) 2. Air, breath Or 3. Soul, influence Όντως is actually an adverb and means: Really, truly
Imaging Alvis met Mythra after their universe converged. Alvis: Oh my god you're Pnuema! I missed you so much! By the way, do you know where Logos is? Mythra: ........I have a bad news for you.
In Xenoblade 2, while having Shulk as a Blade, in a post-battle quote, mythra tells him: -That Sword is what I think It is? -Yeah, everything u have Heard is true. That conversation almost kill me.
οντως in geek means indeed. im greek so these words kinda seemed random and funny to me. same with Πνευμα that we usually use it to describe a ghost or something that is haunted
I believe the change they made to Alvis’ necklace in Definitive Edition to appear like an Aegis core crystal was completely intentional and it basically puts a nice bow on him being Ontos.
Apparently both Gormotti and the Indol elf-people are descended from two different types of lizard-men according to that goofy evolutionary tree around ~2:20 lol
If Shulk's new world was the world Rex now lives in, that would be totally insane. I would love to see this for a Xenoblade 3 because it would connect with the other two but still have opportunity for a brand new story
Ontos having more power makes sense anyway since he is based on The Father/Yahweh and is likely the master core of the computer. The Father is usually seen as the raw power and creativity aspect of the Trinity God and the Spirit and Jesus are seen as being less power focused and more socially focused aspects comparatively.
@@CaptainCoolzCT-I thought he only said he was "a computer" to simplify things. Also, if they are a true trinity, all equally important, then it would stand to reason why they would each consider themselves the main
I hope Xenoblade 3 is just a cute little Animal Crossing style game with no major conflict and its just,,, all the characters living in the same universe and meeting each other and just. being happy
Another very observant explanation :) Thanks for all these awesome videos! Regarding the meaning behind the names: *Ontos* like you said comes from being/“I am”. God himself is often referred to as “the great ‘I am’” = *The Father* *Logos* meaning reason or word, is a concept in Christianity referring to the word of God and is a title for Jesus Christ = *The Son* *Pneuma* ...well you don’t have to think far with the word meaning spirit = *The Holy Spirit* These made up the *Trinity Processor* and were names said by Klaus to be testaments to their creator’s arrogance, or something like that. Yeah, kind of arrogant and very much with the Xenoblade theme of playing God to make an all-powerful processor named for (and maybe made to rival) the Holy Trinity. How these names relate to their powers I can’t explain. Just found it to be cool background.
The third Aegis is called Ousia in the Japanese version. *Ousia* means essence/substance and from my understanding has a pretty similar meaning to *Ontos* as a noun in Ancient Greek. Specifically, compare the concept of Ontic in English. In fact, both *Ontos* and *Ousia* derive from the same verb meaning "to be". In the context of Christianity, *Ousia* refers to the essence of either the whole Trinity or the specific essences of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I guess the former also could be interpreted as the essence of The Father. In any case, the concept of *Ousia* is very much related to Christianity (Holy Trinity) and Gnosticism, which is probably why the localizers decided to obscure it a bit.
@@yum2735 Interesting! I'm always curious about the original Japanese words for stuff in this game, since they give more clues to the original intentions of the creators. The localizers did a great job imo of keeping these references in the game, but sometimes it's not super clear what they were going for. Like to Ontos tying to The Father thing seems like kind of a stretch, but Ousia seems a bit more probable. Or I've always been curious about the capital city names, for example. Have no idea if they're supposed to have a tie-in to the 7 Deadly Sins theme or not. Nice to see you again btw 😄😂
@@hernobleness I don't know all the changes either since I only played the English version with Japanese voices and otherwise watched some Japanese RUclips videos. Honestly, they didn't do a great job at keeping the references since there was no reason to obfuscate them to begin with and most of the time, the reference is completely lost. From what I noticed: 1. They obfuscated Christian symbolism: Seven Deadly Sins, Pope ("Praetor"), Vatican ("Praetorium"), Serpent ("Ophion"), Holy Grail ("Aegis"), God ("Architect"), Paradise ("Elysium") etc. 2. They removed Japanese symbolism: Kagutsuchi ("Brighid"), Wadatsumi ("Aegaeon"), three of The Four Gods: Byakko ("Dromarch"), Seiryuu ("Azurda"), Roc ("Suzaku"), Japanese names of the Ira/Torna members, etc. It's weird how they only slightly altered Shin ("Jin"), but completely changed Metsu ("Malos"). 3. They removed or obfuscated German names: Goldmund ("Goldmouth"), Sieg/Siegfried ("Zeke"/"Ozychlyrus"), Selig ("Eulogimenos") 4. They also changed original(?) names: Meleph ("Morag"), Nephel? ("Niall"), Arst? ("Alrest"), Ars? ("Titan"). I'm not sure where those come from. Alrest is still close enough, but the other changes seem completely unnecessary to me. 5. They removed a lot of Japanese Otaku references from the Tora and Poppi scenes and also apparently took issue with some Japanese stereotypes. Now, apart from name changes, religious references and Japanese (pop) culture references, the localization was actually quite good. From what I've seen in Japanese RUclips videos, less notable dialogue and names are generally more faithful to the original, e.g. Torigo ("Torigoth"). It's still an unnecessary change, but at least they only altered it a little bit. I don't know if the capital names are translatable; at first glance they seem original to me. In any case, I'm personally not happy at all about the changes. When the next game comes out I'm probably going to switch to the Japanese version. Nice to see you, too btw.
@@yum2735 Tbh I think the changes enhanced the experience for me. The whole point of localization is to make sure the world still holds familiarity with its target audience so they can identify with it, but maintain enough fantasy to still be magical. All the blatant Christianity references (as well as an lame name - by English standards - like Serpent) would've taken away a lot of the fantasy for me. The Latin country names would've been too obvious, the basic names like Paradise and God would've been too bland. Really takes an element of fantasy out of it, for me at least. At least in localizing, they for the most part kept the basic concept of the names the same -- each country still has the same sin, Ophion still comes from orphis (serpent), etc. As for the character names, I would've been fine with them staying the way they were. But once you change the country names, it doesn't really have sense to have someone named Meleph from a Scotland-inspired country.
@@hernobleness I personally think a video game localization should be handled like a book translation, that is barely deviate from the source material. Translators have code of ethics, e.g. the American Translators Association Code of Ethics. Video game writing shouldn't be treated differently from other literature. In this particular case, the localized names don't even hold more familiarity than the original names. In fact, most of the time the localized names are just as unfamiliar to the average player as the original names, arguably even more unfamiliar considering JRPG fans are more likely to be Japanophiles than Philhellenists. The Seven Deadly Sins might be a common trope in video games and other pop culture, but I've honestly never seen their Latin names being used before; I don't even think that the names are obvious at all to the average player. Only the bland names like Serpent or Paradise are actually familiar to the average player, so by preferring the obfuscated names you're contradicting your previous statement that a localization should use familiar concepts. I wouldn't even call them bland seeing as they are the names typically associated with the concepts in Christian theology (in English). If they wanted to preserve the exotic nature of the English term "Serpent" in the Japanese language, they could've completely switched over to the Latin ("Serpens"), Greek ("Ophis") or even Hebrew ("Nahash") term for this specific Christian concept. The problem with the Scottish-inspired Mor Ardain is that Superbians don't have a distinct dialect in the Japanese version. Mor Ardain was basically scotticized just for the sake of having Scottish voice actors. Even if they spoke a Japanese dialect, that would just be a way to show their uniqueness, but their names clearly are very distinct from the rest of the cast and definitely not of a Japanese dialect. By the way, I'm actually compiling a list of name changes right now with a focus on location names. From my findings, just as I had noticed with Torigo/Torigoth before, most names aren't completely different. But like with name changes in other games, most are altered a bit (probably) to reflect familiar English phonotactics. Essentially, they Anglicize or Latinize most of the names a bit, especially the endings. For example "Rageruto" and "Ion" were changed to "Raqura" and "Iona" respectively most likely because the localizers felt that feminine names should end with the generic Latin gender marker "-a". Only some locations are completely changed (for no apparent reason), e.g. "Karamu" => "Olethro". Honestly, localization is the worst enemy of good world building. A Japanese game couldn't create a high fantasy world on par with, say, Lord of the Rings with its own languages and dialects etc. without having either a lazy or a butchered localization.
There's so much more that I have gleaned after playing XC:DE. Alvis says there are more people on Shulk's new world, and Shulk says he wants to meet them. If that's not XC3 I'll be surprised. The Nopon Archsage seems to be the same from XC2 and even floats in a similar cloud sea. Alvis is a part of Zanza's trinity which could be seen as life repeating itself with Zanza remembering the Trinity processor and having a similar set up on the Bionis. Also, the Bionis and Mechonis could be Ontos' Artifices considering he brought them into existence and gave them the souls of Claus and Meyneth (I don't know if we have her original name).
This video definitely helped me understand how ontos was not awakened as a blade which explained why he is the way he is. I also want to add that there is post-battle dialogue between shulk and mythra about the monado and how it is an aegis sword.
Also if you watch the Xenoblade Chronicles definitive edition trailer in this week's (28 March 2020) Nintendo Direct, Alvis has a trinity processor core. Theory confirmed?
it's interesting to see what the theories were like before definitive edition came out lmao, i'm also constantly like "oh yeah, they don't know this piece of information yet" but it's still cool to see all of this stuff
It's kinda overwhelming how much lore there is to this series... and I love it lol. Never thought I would have gotten into a JRPG series as heavily as Xenoblade.
While I’d wager (as a dumb American who doesn’t know any better) that other great JRPGs do exist, how much of this is due to Xenoblade’s British (and Commonwealth, in 2 and 3’s case) accents giving it more of an identity in the US?
With XBC 1 Definitive edition on the way, it practically confirms the possibility of this theory meanwhile still leaving the possibility of more... retcons...
Looking at this video now after XC1 Definitive Edition came out, seeing that Alvis key was replaced by a conduit shaped red necklace gives your theory even more support! I'm pretty sure the team behind Monolith did that on purpose to hint even more clear towards Alvis being Ontos. Might be stuff for an updated version of this already amazing video man :)
A number of points after watching this: 1. The way i see it, monado's arnt just like the aegis swords, monado's ARE the swords of an aegis. I'm of the certain opinion that rex's and malos's swords are infact monado's but are simply never called that name. Hence why mythra can do visions and malos can do monado arts, they're the same thing 2. When questioning why alvis can remember everything but malos and mythra dont really remember anything before they where awakened or why alvis doesnt have nearly as many limitations as a blade, you need to remember that klaus said he took the 2 remaining cores and re-purposed them to manage the blades. Alvis is still in his original programing but mythra and malos had their programing changed, and so likely their data and limitations where altered from managing the zohar to simply managing the core crystals 3. One thing to note about alvis is how he had multiple separate swords and could share his power between multiple people at the same time, not just 1. He gave a sword to both zanza and meyneth, and then a 3rd sword to shulk which we can assume is his true sword after fully bonding with him (the core animation in space). Now him having multiple swords at the same time isnt new cus mythra and pyra have different swords and they kept their 3rd sword separate too but it shows that blades (or just aegis's) can spawn perhaps many different weapons and give power to many people, not just 1 4. A final thing about alvis which you could make a whole new video about. You said you didnt have anything linking alvis to the other xeno games, well there actually IS a few things linking him to them, albeit indirectly. Take a look at his "true form" in XB1 where he's a green light, that is the exact same design as the wave existence in gears. And the final battle against zanza takes place in the red waves of the UDO dimension in saga. Way i see it, when alvis went to the other universe he became like the wave existence of that universe, and you might well fight zanza in that universes version of the UDO dimension Infact now that i think about it, if what you're saying about alvis taking shulk and friends back to the original universe (which i never really thought of before), and the blade games take place before the events of gears (atleast in relation to whatever universe the zohar went to after XB2) then its quite possible to say that alvis is infact the wave existence inside the zohar in gears
Pyra and Mythra don't have multiple swords, they have the one sword that has multiple forms. The third sword isn't literally in another location, rather the power to transform the aegis into the third sword is locked away there. Theres nothing physically there and it disappears as soon as Rex gets it. The game also makes it very clear that Blades can only bond with one driver at a time, so they can't just give multiple swords to different people at once.
@@Neostar617 Pyra and mythra have their usual sword that rex holds but there is their 3rd sword which is sealed in the spirit crucible, the sword is physically there as addam says he's going to lock it away there. As for why it disappears, its quite likely it was reabsorbed into his half of the aegis core crystal and didnt come back out until mythra (the crystals other half) accepted it too. Morag does mention that blades can generate new weapons from their cores so is it really that much of a stretch to say they could perhaps make 2 or more at the same time? Or atleast that an aegis could seeing how its made clear they dont follow the same rules as normal blades (not returning to their core if their driver dies for one). Let alone an aegis like alvis who still has his full original programming and so seems to have far more ability than either mythra or malos As for blades only bonding with 1 person, again that rule was only stated for normal blades, it was never stated to be the case for aegis's, or again one with their full abilities like alvis does. And thinking about it further, even that rule doesnt exactly hold true cus nia gives rex her power even though he never bonded with her, even using both her and mythras power at the same time. You could say this is cus he's an aegis user or even part aegis (which only further illustrates that aegis's dont seem to have the same limitations as normal blades) or you could say that perhaps blades can share their power with anyone holding their weapon, but only bond with 1 person at a time (which would follow the whole alvis core animation in space scene). Though ofcourse you also have to question if switching drivers with the overdrive protocol even fits into the lore at this point... I think for now i'll go with alvis generated 2 different sword forms for zanza and meyneth lending them power but didnt bond with them. Then he bonded with shulk fully giving him his true sword and alvis's full power
@@gamezx keep in mind that rex is the master driver and therefor can temporarily overwrite the bond a blade has with their original driver. Also blade-eaters like mikhail can probably bond with anyone bond with anyone.
How about Alvis' key is his core crystal but disguised? Also, Alvis has a pet Telethia yet he is aegis so he must have had a Siren like Logos and Neuma. Or maybe his Siren is the Telethia just disguised
@@tatltails3923 and Zanza is the Arcitect so most likely, Zanza decided to change Alvis' Siren into a Telethia because he thought it would one, be more effective of obtaining food and two, look in place than a giant mech that can shoot bolts of light
Don't think Alvis has a siren equivalent. Alvis left the Xc2 world very early while Malos and Mythra stayed. And since they stayed, the Architect either created or gave them Sirens.
wow, 2019 and you managed to hit the nail on the head with what Xenoblade 3 seems to be about with xenoblade 1+2 in the same world, that is some future sight right there
You've got Pneuma and Ontos backwards. Pneuma never creates anything, just changes or manipulates what it is into something more desirable. Like shortening the distance between two points through a wormhole, massively accelerating particles to beyond mathematical limits to reach the speed of light, and even just changing Rex's armor. Pneuma is transition, Ontos would be creation
It was more because Ontos transitioned to another universe, going through different Monado arts in battle and transitioned the people of the world and the Bionis and Mechonis back into the original universe or at least something similar to it at least. Pneuma however created new armor for Rex (yes I know that he doesn't take it off but she did create it somewhat) and created a wormhole for Siren to power up the final attack on Aion. Even her specials state that she can imagine her specials to be a certain element and it will be. That just makes sense to me however, and if I'm wrong then I'm wrong I really wouldn't mind it.
Ontos is the only of the trinity core processors who didn't become a blade because Architect Klaus tells us he altered Pnuema and logos to operate as MANAGER BLADES. Because they were blades they take on the nature of their drivers so Malos inherited Amalthus' destructive nature and Pnuema inherits the traits of Addam and Rex. They also maintain the personality they gained from being raised in virtual reality. I can see how you assigned these roles lol
35:20 Indeed also has a meaning, since ontos was the final decider between the opinions of logos and pnuema, and thus would be saying "indeed" to them, literally.
Update: Xenoblade 3 trailer has been released and seems to be set in a different world than either of the original two games that combines elements of both
Ok a thought just came to mind. Its certainly interesting to say perhaps alvis shifted the whole XB1 world to the original universe but this brings up a problem with X hinting that mira is the world shulk wished for. There are stuff like the nopon saying they've been there since the worlds beginning, mentioning "legendary frontier village" and "hom homs", saying "its tradition for nopon heroes to go beat up bad gods" and even had toy monados. Even the thing with the telethia superboss could only be there if it came as a leftover from the XB1 world The problem is we know the white whale took some years to travel from earth to mira, meaning its a different world from earth (also shown by its multiple moons). So assuming alrest was originally earth too (given the year and their usual timeline in their xeno games) it would beg the question how would alrest and mira be the same place? Sure the orbital ring broke apart at the end of 2 but did it pick up a few moons over the years? If so how does that account for the white whale in X, unless klaus's experiment did some dimension shifting across multiple universes which could explain the mysterious explosion in X which even the gangleon didnt understand Maybe alvis shifted them back to the original universe but on a different planet than alrest?
Zelgius it could be, but I like to think that the name tag is a reused asset than that being galea and that the next game’s villain will be galea’s dark side like zanza
Luxin I love your passion on the xenoblade games . Great video .. I would love more on Xenbolsde X . Also if X2 happens wich I am sure one day it will. What do you think will happen in X2. Do you think we will see more survivors from earth and what about the black Knight..
Considering the fact that Alvis” key necklace changed into the shape of an Aegis’ core crystal (as some in the comments already mentioned), I can’t wait to come back to this video AFTER Xenoblade 3’s release to see how many more views this video has if your theories in this video are indeed legitimate. I can tell just how much effort you put into this three part series and I gotta say, very, VERY well done. You’ve helped my understanding of the Xenoblade universe become that much better even though I’ve played all the games.
What's up with all the Trinity's in xenoblade, The aigis cores The manados (both shulk 1,2,3 and meyneyh zanza and shulk The trinity proccessors Pyra, mythra and neuman Zanas deciples M
i think the reason klaus knew of his soon demise is the fact that meyneth had just died, killing galea, as that is what happens (if zanza dies, so will klaus in x2 universe)so he probably suspected that someone will very soon kill zanza.
I also like to think that the ending events in XC1 and 2 was Shulk's universe merging back to Rex's universe, the original, but from Shulk's point of view looks like the universe is being recreated. The new continents that was being formed by the titans in Rex's world looks pretty similar to the land masses you see in the background of Shulk's recreated universe. That could be reaching but I feel like they made it intentional in XC2. And as for Alvis not looking or behaving more like a blade, that could be chalked up to him being in his own pocket universe separated from the influences of what Klaus was doing in his which was creating those particulates and core crystals and titans etc. I think Pneuma and Logos would have been just like Alvis but they were adapted to live in this new circle of life that Klaus made.
It’s my own headcannon that ophion was onto’s artifice. It’s the same color as alvis’ clothes just as mythra and malos’ artifacts are, and ophion can be controlled by either of them unlike their own artifacts. Probably because the ontos core is gone so there isn’t any user for ophion to reject control in favor of.
@@mobybrick2357 only one of malos artifice matches his color actually. One siren. (And half of aion). Ophion and artifice colossi dont match colors but malos had colossi and gargoyles and mythra had siren and ophion. Also, all artifices have green core except malos first siren. In general, the color scheming doesn't match actually with who it belonged to.
Update, the Definitive Edition has changed Alvis' necklace into an Aegis shaped Core Crystal.
So that's kind of a bummer cause it means their was never gonna be a second game that strung together with the first game. It also means the 3 core Crystal's were entirely made up. So basically 2's plot was completely unplanned and made up.
Stormcutter 59 how is that a bad thing
@@chrono7318 Its a little bad, only because whatever the added core crystal around Alvis replaced is now a changed asset that wont ever be known anymore. I know it's a small thing but it's more than just changing a little trinket, it's like changing the lore or Xenoblade 1. It tells me Alvis, whatever he was before, wasnt a core crystal from the world of X2, so it speaks more to the philosophy behind the original game being changed. Also it makes me wonder what Alvis' mysterious existence was meant to be before.
I just dont really approve of changing previous game assets to better "fit" with the lore established later. It kind of messes with the vision of the game as it was before. It's not really THAT bad of a thing but I personally hate seeing things of the past die in any sense. And I love the lore of the 3 core Crystal's in general and how they connect so this softens my disappointment a bit.
Stormcutter 59 i mean Alvis was always part of the trinity core processor, he says it himself. IMO the core crystal changes nothing and just makes things fit together better
@@chrono7318 Oh yeah that's right I forgot. Still I dont see why they had to make it look different. I get it's easier to catch but subtlety would have been nice.
8:33 "So it's just kinda putting 1 and 2 togheter to get 3"
Ah yes, Luxin, the accidental prophet.
Bro harnessed the power of the Monado and Mythra’s foresight
"The key means nothing..."
*inserts XBC DE
The trinity symbol didn't mean anything either XD
He is the "key"
To the trinity "processor"
So that's why in X we have to find the key we lost...
Confirmed: Xenoblade Wiki: The trinity processor has inscribed proverbs verses numbers on it, for alvis it is 3:13. Alvis' name means "all wise," and gueesss what?? proverbs 3:13's theme is, wouldnt u know it, wisdom.
I love how ridiculously right he was about the setting of Xenoblade 3, and this was like 3 years prior to the release. Its a funny coincidence
Then you find out that monolith soft apparently had xenoblade 3 planned out right after 1, and before they planned out 2.
I preface this by saying I really liked 3: Do you think this comment aged well or not? Just curious.
@@mothdemon that context is interesting after having beaten it.
@@Paradox1012 It's a wild ride, this PASSAGE OF FATE.
@@Paradox1012 I have to say it didn’t.
He was close. But not ridiculous right.
Now that Future Redeemed has released, this video has aged like fine wine
God I love this franchise
Same fam, can't wait to see what Monolith is making next.
It's fine
The more i watch his video the more i feel like Xenoblade is just a sci-fi version of the Zelda franchise but the holy golden triangle the 3 godess are computer program who ave sword here lol Hikari maloss and Alvis also i ave played and beaten both Xenoblade for the first time on the switch and oh boy the wii version really didn't age well lol cell-shading really do make everything look better in the long therm
Alvis's key is actually just the key to my heart
Or
Y'know....
The key to the Monado's power
And also now a core crystal
@@zetazero2764 its really just the shape of ontos. it just looks like a core crystal
Fun thing in the definitive edition the key is changed to a red eagis core cristal same as Homura/hikari and maloss from Xenoblade 2
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@@ChristopherGingrich Now that Future Redeemed has released,
lol
"the key on his chest means nothing"
Xenoblade Chronicles 3: Hold my sake
y e s
Malos : hallo miss me,partner
scrubs:"they key means nothing"
the virgin chad(me):"it is symbolism for him being the key to fate"
Ok yea, but the trinity processor logo on his back 😑
BeFondOfJohn Oooooooh maybe :)
Slight spoiler...
I wonder if anyone ever noticed how similar Alvis's lines are with Pyra's when they first met Shulk/Rex?
Pyra: My name is Pyra.
Rex: Oh right. Mine is--
Pyra: I know you. You're Rex, right?
Rex: How did you know my name?
Alvis: My name is Alvis.
Shulk: Alvis? Um, my name's--
Alvis: It's Shulk. Isn't it?
Shulk: How did you know that?
Plus Alvis calls the Xeno2 universe his home. And Alvis literally performs a blade combo when he was teaching Shulk Monado Purge. Even does the same weapon toss back to the "driver". Also becomes affected by the Apocrypha like how Rex & crew were affected by the waves from Obrona in chapter 3. The particles were red as well. There are more similarities, but I gotta remember them first. lol
CJluvsMJ27 and in the high entia tomb, he literally does the blade barrier when the telethia explodes
Moby Brick I knew I was forgetting something. Plus, Monado Shield and the shield thing that Blades can do have that soccer ball design to it. And they both protect against a bunch of small attacks or one really strong attack.
And I swear I’m forgetful. Does anyone remember Sani the Telethia? Doesn’t it remind you of Mythra’s Siren? It shoots down beams of light just like it, and it seems to only obey Alvis. Doesn’t look like any of the telethia in the game or in flashbacks, but it does resemble the statues we see on Prison Island.
Remember that, like Pyra, Alvis comes to Shulk in dreams. He's probably also the one that revives Shulk after Zanza leaves his body, much like Pyra revives Rex.
JediWilli You’re right. It makes me wonder...did Shulk get a part of Alvis’s core stored in his chest like Rex?
* Laughs with the latest Xenoblade trailer *
20:07 XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
@@TARDISES Ahahah yes I saw that tweet earlier this day too they're just playing with us 👀
@@WildspeakerYT AHAHAHAHAHAH OH MY GOD
@@TARDISES I got introduced to the xeno series back in March of this year. Since then I've played through XC2, XCX, XC1, Xenogears, XC:DE in that order and I was convinced it was Alvis before seeing the necklace in DE.
It’s red. Red, green and purple...does that color combination have any religious significance?
i like that they changed Alvis’s key around his neck to a core crystal like malos’s
Yea to actually 100% confirm for us that he’s really ontos people just weren’t 100% sure that he was before that
Some people don't like that change, but honestly its insignificant aside from basically being hard confirmation.
Don't forget the time when Shulk first fights a Telethia and Alvis LITERALLY pulls off a Level 4 Blade Special to fend it off.
I am Greek and when I first saw Mythra/Pyra transform I was quite shocked 😅,seeing pneuma(pneuma means spirit in greek) and in the final chapter hearing logos(meaning reason) made me appreciate the game even more.
Azzurro X what’s ontos mean then
@@ontos8534 ontos is turturs
Yes! I'm from Greece too and I was shocked in the final part of Xenoblade 2
I'm studi¡ying greek, and that's a question I did a lot of times, all my teachers told me that Pneuma means Air
Dude και εγώ Έλληνας είμαι.
This video is hitting different knowing Alvis is coming back in 3's DLC.
Ontos color is orange.
This is Pneumas emerald in RGB: rgb(0, 255, 155).
If you move the numbers to the next position you get Logos purple: rgb(155, 0, 255).
So, if you move the numbers again to the next position you get Ontos' color: rgb(255, 155, 0).
You can slightly modify the numbers, that just varies the tone. This 3 colors are perfect equidistant between them and white color.
Or, more simply, orange is the only secondary color not accounted for. Green (combination of yellow and blue) is Pneuma, purple (combination of red and blue) is Logos, but orange (combination of yellow and red) is not present and is likely the color of Ontos' crystal.
I always felt ontos’s is orange/yellow
When I started watching this video and saw what Alvis looked like again, I KNEW that that key around his neck could be his processor, even before he mentioned it. Just look at the shape, it has the same general outline as the Aegis cores(minus the teeth, of course), AND it's orange. Of course, I know that the creator didn't mean for it to look like an Aegis core since he didn't even think about the second game back then, but the shape is still subtly alluding to the Zohar/Conduit. I think it's more of a conscious decision to make the Aegis cores in the same shape and place them in the same area as Alvis's key that makes the other two a reference to HIM since Lobos and Pnuema are essentially also AIs that had the same function as him before they became blades.
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I gotta disagree here. Pyra/Mythra/Pneuma's sword has green glowing highlights and she has a green core, while Malos's sword has purple glowing highlights and he has a purple core, so I'd say Alvis (by that same logic) would have a light blue core.
Ohhhh. I LIKE that Sword Valley/Torna parallel. That's NICE.
Alvis having his own space time event is actually a mistranslation, in the Japanese script Ontos simply disappeared at the same the universe was created
A space time event is just science for disappearing
By replacing Alvis' key by the core crystal Monolith couldn't make it any clearer XDDDD
Alvis got an aegis core chrystal LOL
"Future Xenoblade games will take place on this new earth with both worlds merged together"
Damn. Right on the money.
commented on march 31 2020:
Me seeing the part where Luxin talks about Alvis key necklace after having seen the mini direct: "smiles"
It blew my mind watching this video in 2022 and hearing your prediction about the universes being pulled together. Ahead of your time, man.
I think there is another connection that you didn't cover that also leads credence this whole subject.
Near chapter 6/7 Malos mentioned that the Aegises do indeed have redundancy and that's why he needs Mythra's core. Her core contained at least partial data of his own that he needed to repair his. I believe the same is true for Alvis. Zanza's and Meyneth's Monados, I believe, are Alvis' attempt in recreating the other two processors. Since there isn't full redundancy, he is only able to create thier weapons (yes I think Pnuema's three weapons parallel more to Meyneth's Monado as it also has three forms that share Pnuema's color scheme as well general shape) so Alvis decided to give the Monados to Zanza and Meyneth to fill in the gaps. This is why "Shulk's" Monado is called the True Monado. It's Alvis' Aegis weapon. The only one Alvis has full data on.
thast a REALZ good take on it..
The ending of Xenoblade lends credence to this, as Alvis, and the Monados of Zanza and Meyneth, are arranged in a manner reminiscent of the trinity processor when the world is being remade by Shulk.
Bramblefire keep in mind. We see ontos as a sword in xc2 as the third sword in the ruins at rex’s home town, basically it’s likely all 3 blades exist in all three universes at once,
I mean both not all three universes
While that is a great theory, I'm more inclined to believe that the Monados are just different versions of Ontos' weapon. The Aegises all seem to have one or more lower powered forms, which have a common name for their world, and their true "greek name" form. We see Pneuma's as Pyra and Mythra both physically and in weapon form, and we see Ontos' Zanza and Meyneth Monados and his physical form, Alvis, which probably is the one that is associated with Zanza's Monado as he is one of Zanza's disciples and opens up Monado Purge in that one scene where he and Shulk fight like a Blade and Driver combo (Pyra is never seen with Mythra's sword, for instance, so we can conjecture that Alvis using Meyneth's Monado would take on a different physical appearance, maybe even that of a woman as he is quite an androgynous individual in and of itself and a computer core inherently has no concept of gender, when we look at it). We never see Alvis' true Ontos form (unless it's meant to be the green light at the end, which might even be retconned in Definitive Edition soon), but we do see his true Ontos weapon, the Third Monado. We also never see Malos' Logos form, presumably because what is required to trigger it is a strong bond with a driver (Pneuma and Rex, Ontos and Shulk) and he and Amalthus never really cared for each other other than Amalthus' influencing Malos' nihilistic philosophy.
Pneuma's sword has a ring that could have Monado Art Symbols if neccesary. There might be something to look in to there, that the two incomplete combos (a driver without a blade ((Shulk)) and a blade without a driver((Malos))) both use monado arts, while the one, complete combo (driver AND blade ((Rex and Pneuma))) don't.
I also believe that Rex and Pneuma have equal power to Shulk with the True Monado. It's just a question of how much power was neccesary at the time. Mythra specifically told Rex not to get carried away with all that power, and I'm fairly sure Rex kept that to heart. Shulk, meanwhile, has no reason to hold back against Zanza.
Note that Shulk's final attack against Zanza is extremely similar to how Rex summons an artifice blast (Conduit's power), and it could be deduced that Shulk is using exactly that -- the Zohar's energy, to kill Zanza.
Maybe pneuma sword like omnimon sword have skill all delete,coz architect let pneuma gain all access of radamanthus
@@aleseaux I did not know the zohar had a monadosymbol saying god programmed in
Oooh, good point! Shulk needed to slay a god but all Rex and Pneuma needs to do was focus power on Aion's core for a few seconds. Shulk had no need to shackle his power, but Rex just meant to stop a Blade, not a semi-omnipotent being.
Looks more like
Logos: Destruction
Pneuma: Creation
Ontos: Administration, Arbitration
These follow more in line with their unique abilities and in game roles. Pneuma fully awakened has full control over elementary particles, as shown in the ending scene when she recreates herself as two separate entities from a single particle touching her inactive processor and the reality warping, which is, by the way, the same thing as recreating the universe, just on a smaller scale. She could do it, but her imprinted personality from Rex as a pure being meant that she would never consider it as the harm it would do would be too great. However, it is stated in game that she has the power to rewrite the “laws” of that universe, and is explained as the Zohar’s power. This is something, not possible for either of the other two and makes her far stronger than Ontos when her admin privileges are restored.
Ontos, I believe is admin, or arbitration because through the entire first game, he is essentially collecting data through the physical body he uses and the 3 Monado wielders. He then uses that data to determine a “course of action”, or side to take. He never, however actively intervenes in the events taking place, as this is not his role. The closest he comes is sending power to the monado wielders. This includes bringing Shulk back to life. He pulled his consciousness away so as to not interfere with the course of events and keep himself concealed. Resurrecting Shulk was more Ontos responding to his will than an independent action as shown in the scene when they speak. This is very similar to the beginning with Rex and Pyra, as you said. The difference is, Ontos needed confirmation. Pneuma did not. This makes sense if Ontos’ role as a core processor is essentially administration, or arbitration as that role is to manage the flow of events to create a desired outcome.
This is why it makes sense that Pneuma presided over creation and not just life, and Ontos is an administrator, or arbitrator, as he move behind the scenes to bring events to his desired conclusion. It also helps your theory on him moving the inhabitants of XC1 to the currently restoring Earth in XC2. He has the power to move them to a desired ending. This includes other dimensions, but he can not create, or destroy a whole universe as those are abilities specific to Pnuema and Logos
Hey, after Future Redeemed, you're completely right.
6:00 also mythra has an ability called “foresight” that can see the opponent’s attacks seconds before they happen. THATS LITERLLY WATERED DOWN MONADO VISION
She can also look far into the future
Emphasis on watered down. Pneuma really is watered down Ontos, because Pneuma feats versus Alvis feats. Yeah, not even close
Ether seems easier to predict than matter so Ontos is more accurate in the all Ether world of 1 than pneuma in the mixed world of 2.
finally confirmed by Alvis' aegis core crystal-shaped necklace in definitive edition
Finally got around to watching this video after completing Xenoblade DE. Alvis’s key was replaced with an Aegis core necklace in DE. So the key was just Monolithsoft not knowing that Xenoblade would be a series
The fact he was correct as of Xenoblade 3 is really impressive.
Well, not quite right, at least yet
Now he was
Chuckles in having all the info of xenoblade 3 and future redeemed
chuckles again after the artbook
Got my ancien Greek dictionary here, all three of them are in there:
Λόγος means either:
1. Word, statement, discussion, argument, story, message, subject,
2. Calculation, number, value,
Or
3. Reasoning, debate
Πνευμα means either:
1. Blowing (i.e. of the wind)
2. Air, breath
Or
3. Soul, influence
Όντως is actually an adverb and means:
Really, truly
Tiny thing but in Future Connected, Shulk's upgraded Replica Monado now has 3 vents just like the Aegis does
Imaging Alvis met Mythra after their universe converged.
Alvis: Oh my god you're Pnuema! I missed you so much! By the way, do you know where Logos is?
Mythra: ........I have a bad news for you.
tbh im pretty sure alvis knew what happened on Earth
I'm Pretty sure Alvis doesn't talk like that...
Also I'm pretty sure that Alvis is gone.
Cyber Dragon Alvis lives after the ending of xenoblade 1
In Xenoblade 2, while having Shulk as a Blade, in a post-battle quote, mythra tells him:
-That Sword is what I think It is?
-Yeah, everything u have Heard is true.
That conversation almost kill me.
@@gallego3683 OH BOY
As a man who has learnt the old greek language, I am pleased by your choice to include the original word.
οντως in geek means indeed. im greek so these words kinda seemed random and funny to me. same with Πνευμα that we usually use it to describe a ghost or something that is haunted
@@marinosbasiadakis585 ναι αλλά όντως σημαίνει και "ων" ή "οντότητα" στα αρχαία ελληνικά. Από εκεί βγαίνει η ονομασία.
ontos is alvis confirmed, omg bro
I live it when a good theory ends up being right, Alvis is Ontos finally properly confirmed!!!!!
Having xenoblade definitive edition now, alvis actually wears the core crystal instead of a key
MY GOD YOU WERE MORE RIGHT THAN YOU COULD HAVE EVER KNOWN
I believe the change they made to Alvis’ necklace in Definitive Edition to appear like an Aegis core crystal was completely intentional and it basically puts a nice bow on him being Ontos.
Exactly
Anyone here after the new Direct Trailer for Xenoblade DE? ;) Now we know.
Apparently both Gormotti and the Indol elf-people are descended from two different types of lizard-men according to that goofy evolutionary tree around ~2:20 lol
i came from the future to give you guys good news
If Shulk's new world was the world Rex now lives in, that would be totally insane. I would love to see this for a Xenoblade 3 because it would connect with the other two but still have opportunity for a brand new story
The new Definitive Edition actually gave Alvis a red "core crystal" in place of the golden key...
There's not a key anymore
Ontos having more power makes sense anyway since he is based on The Father/Yahweh and is likely the master core of the computer. The Father is usually seen as the raw power and creativity aspect of the Trinity God and the Spirit and Jesus are seen as being less power focused and more socially focused aspects comparatively.
Alvis says to Shulk that he was the 'main' computer. Logos and Pneuma were possibly the secondary computers.
@@CaptainCoolzCT-I thought he only said he was "a computer" to simplify things.
Also, if they are a true trinity, all equally important, then it would stand to reason why they would each consider themselves the main
I hope Xenoblade 3 is just a cute little Animal Crossing style game with no major conflict and its just,,, all the characters living in the same universe and meeting each other and just. being happy
So... You want a game with just Nopons and no humans? Hey I'd be down with that!
@@jacobg8640 Nopon Crossing:New Monado
Nopon Crossing: Mechonis Leaf
They all live on Noponis
Malos : i'm bored
Another very observant explanation :) Thanks for all these awesome videos!
Regarding the meaning behind the names:
*Ontos* like you said comes from being/“I am”. God himself is often referred to as “the great ‘I am’” = *The Father*
*Logos* meaning reason or word, is a concept in Christianity referring to the word of God and is a title for Jesus Christ = *The Son*
*Pneuma* ...well you don’t have to think far with the word meaning spirit = *The Holy Spirit*
These made up the *Trinity Processor* and were names said by Klaus to be testaments to their creator’s arrogance, or something like that. Yeah, kind of arrogant and very much with the Xenoblade theme of playing God to make an all-powerful processor named for (and maybe made to rival) the Holy Trinity.
How these names relate to their powers I can’t explain. Just found it to be cool background.
The third Aegis is called Ousia in the Japanese version.
*Ousia* means essence/substance and from my understanding has a pretty similar meaning to *Ontos* as a noun in Ancient Greek. Specifically, compare the concept of Ontic in English. In fact, both *Ontos* and *Ousia* derive from the same verb meaning "to be".
In the context of Christianity, *Ousia* refers to the essence of either the whole Trinity or the specific essences of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I guess the former also could be interpreted as the essence of The Father.
In any case, the concept of *Ousia* is very much related to Christianity (Holy Trinity) and Gnosticism, which is probably why the localizers decided to obscure it a bit.
@@yum2735 Interesting! I'm always curious about the original Japanese words for stuff in this game, since they give more clues to the original intentions of the creators. The localizers did a great job imo of keeping these references in the game, but sometimes it's not super clear what they were going for. Like to Ontos tying to The Father thing seems like kind of a stretch, but Ousia seems a bit more probable.
Or I've always been curious about the capital city names, for example. Have no idea if they're supposed to have a tie-in to the 7 Deadly Sins theme or not.
Nice to see you again btw 😄😂
@@hernobleness I don't know all the changes either since I only played the English version with Japanese voices and otherwise watched some Japanese RUclips videos.
Honestly, they didn't do a great job at keeping the references since there was no reason to obfuscate them to begin with and most of the time, the reference is completely lost.
From what I noticed:
1. They obfuscated Christian symbolism:
Seven Deadly Sins, Pope ("Praetor"), Vatican ("Praetorium"), Serpent ("Ophion"), Holy Grail ("Aegis"), God ("Architect"), Paradise ("Elysium") etc.
2. They removed Japanese symbolism:
Kagutsuchi ("Brighid"), Wadatsumi ("Aegaeon"), three of The Four Gods: Byakko ("Dromarch"), Seiryuu ("Azurda"), Roc ("Suzaku"), Japanese names of the Ira/Torna members, etc.
It's weird how they only slightly altered Shin ("Jin"), but completely changed Metsu ("Malos").
3. They removed or obfuscated German names:
Goldmund ("Goldmouth"), Sieg/Siegfried ("Zeke"/"Ozychlyrus"), Selig ("Eulogimenos")
4. They also changed original(?) names:
Meleph ("Morag"), Nephel? ("Niall"), Arst? ("Alrest"), Ars? ("Titan").
I'm not sure where those come from. Alrest is still close enough, but the other changes seem completely unnecessary to me.
5. They removed a lot of Japanese Otaku references from the Tora and Poppi scenes and also apparently took issue with some Japanese stereotypes.
Now, apart from name changes, religious references and Japanese (pop) culture references, the localization was actually quite good. From what I've seen in Japanese RUclips videos, less notable dialogue and names are generally more faithful to the original, e.g. Torigo ("Torigoth"). It's still an unnecessary change, but at least they only altered it a little bit. I don't know if the capital names are translatable; at first glance they seem original to me.
In any case, I'm personally not happy at all about the changes. When the next game comes out I'm probably going to switch to the Japanese version.
Nice to see you, too btw.
@@yum2735 Tbh I think the changes enhanced the experience for me. The whole point of localization is to make sure the world still holds familiarity with its target audience so they can identify with it, but maintain enough fantasy to still be magical.
All the blatant Christianity references (as well as an lame name - by English standards - like Serpent) would've taken away a lot of the fantasy for me. The Latin country names would've been too obvious, the basic names like Paradise and God would've been too bland. Really takes an element of fantasy out of it, for me at least. At least in localizing, they for the most part kept the basic concept of the names the same -- each country still has the same sin, Ophion still comes from orphis (serpent), etc.
As for the character names, I would've been fine with them staying the way they were. But once you change the country names, it doesn't really have sense to have someone named Meleph from a Scotland-inspired country.
@@hernobleness I personally think a video game localization should be handled like a book translation, that is barely deviate from the source material.
Translators have code of ethics, e.g. the American Translators Association Code of Ethics. Video game writing shouldn't be treated differently from other literature.
In this particular case, the localized names don't even hold more familiarity than the original names.
In fact, most of the time the localized names are just as unfamiliar to the average player as the original names, arguably even more unfamiliar considering JRPG fans are more likely to be Japanophiles than Philhellenists.
The Seven Deadly Sins might be a common trope in video games and other pop culture, but I've honestly never seen their Latin names being used before; I don't even think that the names are obvious at all to the average player.
Only the bland names like Serpent or Paradise are actually familiar to the average player, so by preferring the obfuscated names you're contradicting your previous statement that a localization should use familiar concepts.
I wouldn't even call them bland seeing as they are the names typically associated with the concepts in Christian theology (in English).
If they wanted to preserve the exotic nature of the English term "Serpent" in the Japanese language, they could've completely switched over to the Latin ("Serpens"), Greek ("Ophis") or even Hebrew ("Nahash") term for this specific Christian concept.
The problem with the Scottish-inspired Mor Ardain is that Superbians don't have a distinct dialect in the Japanese version.
Mor Ardain was basically scotticized just for the sake of having Scottish voice actors. Even if they spoke a Japanese dialect, that would just be a way to show their uniqueness, but their names clearly are very distinct from the rest of the cast and definitely not of a Japanese dialect.
By the way, I'm actually compiling a list of name changes right now with a focus on location names.
From my findings, just as I had noticed with Torigo/Torigoth before, most names aren't completely different.
But like with name changes in other games, most are altered a bit (probably) to reflect familiar English phonotactics.
Essentially, they Anglicize or Latinize most of the names a bit, especially the endings.
For example "Rageruto" and "Ion" were changed to "Raqura" and "Iona" respectively most likely because the localizers felt that feminine names should end with the generic Latin gender marker "-a".
Only some locations are completely changed (for no apparent reason), e.g. "Karamu" => "Olethro".
Honestly, localization is the worst enemy of good world building. A Japanese game couldn't create a high fantasy world on par with, say, Lord of the Rings with its own languages and dialects etc. without having either a lazy or a butchered localization.
There's so much more that I have gleaned after playing XC:DE. Alvis says there are more people on Shulk's new world, and Shulk says he wants to meet them. If that's not XC3 I'll be surprised. The Nopon Archsage seems to be the same from XC2 and even floats in a similar cloud sea. Alvis is a part of Zanza's trinity which could be seen as life repeating itself with Zanza remembering the Trinity processor and having a similar set up on the Bionis. Also, the Bionis and Mechonis could be Ontos' Artifices considering he brought them into existence and gave them the souls of Claus and Meyneth (I don't know if we have her original name).
Meyneth's orignal name is Galea
*Theory confirmed Canon by Definitive Edition*
This video definitely helped me understand how ontos was not awakened as a blade which explained why he is the way he is. I also want to add that there is post-battle dialogue between shulk and mythra about the monado and how it is an aegis sword.
Also if you watch the Xenoblade Chronicles definitive edition trailer in this week's (28 March 2020) Nintendo Direct, Alvis has a trinity processor core. Theory confirmed?
Practically
it's interesting to see what the theories were like before definitive edition came out lmao, i'm also constantly like "oh yeah, they don't know this piece of information yet" but it's still cool to see all of this stuff
20:15 for people who are watching this video after Xenoblade Chronicles Definitive Edition
This aged very well!
THIS IS CONFIRMED NOW IN THE DEFINITIVE EDITION ALVIS HAS A CORE CRYSTAL NECKLACE SHOWN IN THE NINTENDO DIRECT TODAY ^O^
It's kinda overwhelming how much lore there is to this series... and I love it lol. Never thought I would have gotten into a JRPG series as heavily as Xenoblade.
While I’d wager (as a dumb American who doesn’t know any better) that other great JRPGs do exist, how much of this is due to Xenoblade’s British (and Commonwealth, in 2 and 3’s case) accents giving it more of an identity in the US?
With XBC 1 Definitive edition on the way, it practically confirms the possibility of this theory meanwhile still leaving the possibility of more... retcons...
Looking at this video now after XC1 Definitive Edition came out, seeing that Alvis key was replaced by a conduit shaped red necklace gives your theory even more support! I'm pretty sure the team behind Monolith did that on purpose to hint even more clear towards Alvis being Ontos. Might be stuff for an updated version of this already amazing video man :)
This is basically The aegis explained pt 2
Hey Tony!
mudkip games hello!
You have your Core Crystal already!
A number of points after watching this:
1. The way i see it, monado's arnt just like the aegis swords, monado's ARE the swords of an aegis. I'm of the certain opinion that rex's and malos's swords are infact monado's but are simply never called that name. Hence why mythra can do visions and malos can do monado arts, they're the same thing
2. When questioning why alvis can remember everything but malos and mythra dont really remember anything before they where awakened or why alvis doesnt have nearly as many limitations as a blade, you need to remember that klaus said he took the 2 remaining cores and re-purposed them to manage the blades. Alvis is still in his original programing but mythra and malos had their programing changed, and so likely their data and limitations where altered from managing the zohar to simply managing the core crystals
3. One thing to note about alvis is how he had multiple separate swords and could share his power between multiple people at the same time, not just 1. He gave a sword to both zanza and meyneth, and then a 3rd sword to shulk which we can assume is his true sword after fully bonding with him (the core animation in space). Now him having multiple swords at the same time isnt new cus mythra and pyra have different swords and they kept their 3rd sword separate too but it shows that blades (or just aegis's) can spawn perhaps many different weapons and give power to many people, not just 1
4. A final thing about alvis which you could make a whole new video about. You said you didnt have anything linking alvis to the other xeno games, well there actually IS a few things linking him to them, albeit indirectly. Take a look at his "true form" in XB1 where he's a green light, that is the exact same design as the wave existence in gears. And the final battle against zanza takes place in the red waves of the UDO dimension in saga. Way i see it, when alvis went to the other universe he became like the wave existence of that universe, and you might well fight zanza in that universes version of the UDO dimension
Infact now that i think about it, if what you're saying about alvis taking shulk and friends back to the original universe (which i never really thought of before), and the blade games take place before the events of gears (atleast in relation to whatever universe the zohar went to after XB2) then its quite possible to say that alvis is infact the wave existence inside the zohar in gears
Pyra and Mythra don't have multiple swords, they have the one sword that has multiple forms. The third sword isn't literally in another location, rather the power to transform the aegis into the third sword is locked away there. Theres nothing physically there and it disappears as soon as Rex gets it.
The game also makes it very clear that Blades can only bond with one driver at a time, so they can't just give multiple swords to different people at once.
@@Neostar617 Pyra and mythra have their usual sword that rex holds but there is their 3rd sword which is sealed in the spirit crucible, the sword is physically there as addam says he's going to lock it away there. As for why it disappears, its quite likely it was reabsorbed into his half of the aegis core crystal and didnt come back out until mythra (the crystals other half) accepted it too. Morag does mention that blades can generate new weapons from their cores so is it really that much of a stretch to say they could perhaps make 2 or more at the same time? Or atleast that an aegis could seeing how its made clear they dont follow the same rules as normal blades (not returning to their core if their driver dies for one). Let alone an aegis like alvis who still has his full original programming and so seems to have far more ability than either mythra or malos
As for blades only bonding with 1 person, again that rule was only stated for normal blades, it was never stated to be the case for aegis's, or again one with their full abilities like alvis does. And thinking about it further, even that rule doesnt exactly hold true cus nia gives rex her power even though he never bonded with her, even using both her and mythras power at the same time. You could say this is cus he's an aegis user or even part aegis (which only further illustrates that aegis's dont seem to have the same limitations as normal blades) or you could say that perhaps blades can share their power with anyone holding their weapon, but only bond with 1 person at a time (which would follow the whole alvis core animation in space scene). Though ofcourse you also have to question if switching drivers with the overdrive protocol even fits into the lore at this point...
I think for now i'll go with alvis generated 2 different sword forms for zanza and meyneth lending them power but didnt bond with them. Then he bonded with shulk fully giving him his true sword and alvis's full power
@@gamezx keep in mind that rex is the master driver and therefor can temporarily overwrite the bond a blade has with their original driver. Also blade-eaters like mikhail can probably bond with anyone bond with anyone.
20:10 Alvis in the Definitive Edition is wearing a Necklace in the shape of the Conduit, so I guess its no longer a Key now
It’s not even a necklace in one of the cutscenes you can see the necklace portion move but the core crystal is stationary
@@mioc7741 why do I get the feeling he wears the necklace because he knew nobody would notice his completely stationary Core Crystal…
cool my brain hurts now
Woah woah this new earth talk is kinda crazy with xenoblade 3 on the way
Not entirely relevant but, The Conduit = The Zohar, simple as that.
How about Alvis' key is his core crystal but disguised? Also, Alvis has a pet Telethia yet he is aegis so he must have had a Siren like Logos and Neuma. Or maybe his Siren is the Telethia just disguised
I would have thought his Siren would have been left behind in the xb2 universe.
it's possible that the faced mechon were originally artifices but were then repurposed and mass produced by Egil
He had a pet Telethia cause Zanza gifted him one for being in the Secret Society of Zanza's Buddies
@@tatltails3923 and Zanza is the Arcitect so most likely, Zanza decided to change Alvis' Siren into a Telethia because he thought it would one, be more effective of obtaining food and two, look in place than a giant mech that can shoot bolts of light
Don't think Alvis has a siren equivalent. Alvis left the Xc2 world very early while Malos and Mythra stayed. And since they stayed, the Architect either created or gave them Sirens.
Ontos, logos, and pneuma is symbolic of father, son, and holy spirit in catholicism.
That makes an awful lot of sense actually now that I th8nk about it
Each being God in a variating form
Wow I knew it when I saw Alvis’s necklace in The Definitive Edition! I love how they changed his character model to fit with Xenoblade 2.
wow, 2019 and you managed to hit the nail on the head with what Xenoblade 3 seems to be about with xenoblade 1+2 in the same world, that is some future sight right there
26:20 looks like you’re right about Klaus and Shulk bringing their people to a combined world
OntOwOs
I don’t like this..
Thanks I hate it
I always thought Pneuma was creation, Logos was destruction and Ontos was transition.
You've got Pneuma and Ontos backwards. Pneuma never creates anything, just changes or manipulates what it is into something more desirable. Like shortening the distance between two points through a wormhole, massively accelerating particles to beyond mathematical limits to reach the speed of light, and even just changing Rex's armor. Pneuma is transition, Ontos would be creation
It was more because Ontos transitioned to another universe, going through different Monado arts in battle and transitioned the people of the world and the Bionis and Mechonis back into the original universe or at least something similar to it at least.
Pneuma however created new armor for Rex (yes I know that he doesn't take it off but she did create it somewhat) and created a wormhole for Siren to power up the final attack on Aion. Even her specials state that she can imagine her specials to be a certain element and it will be.
That just makes sense to me however, and if I'm wrong then I'm wrong I really wouldn't mind it.
Ontos is the only of the trinity core processors who didn't become a blade because Architect Klaus tells us he altered Pnuema and logos to operate as MANAGER BLADES. Because they were blades they take on the nature of their drivers so Malos inherited Amalthus' destructive nature and Pnuema inherits the traits of Addam and Rex. They also maintain the personality they gained from being raised in virtual reality. I can see how you assigned these roles lol
Luxin predicts the plot of Xenoblade 3.
it hurts me that this was made before alvis was redesigned to have the core crystal necklace
Update, Ontos is non binary. Rex said so and I trust Rex when he walks into a conversation to explain genders
actually ontos is 100% binary because computer program
You’re so on point on what will happen in XC3 it’s frightening.
I think the key was basically intended as a metaphor. He is the "key" which grants access to the universe.
Ontos is breaking havoc again.
35:20 Indeed also has a meaning, since ontos was the final decider between the opinions of logos and pnuema, and thus would be saying "indeed" to them, literally.
Update: Xenoblade 3 trailer has been released and seems to be set in a different world than either of the original two games that combines elements of both
Anyone else hyped for the definitive edition? Honestly Looking forward to see what all gets retconned to confirm certain theories
Ok a thought just came to mind. Its certainly interesting to say perhaps alvis shifted the whole XB1 world to the original universe but this brings up a problem with X hinting that mira is the world shulk wished for. There are stuff like the nopon saying they've been there since the worlds beginning, mentioning "legendary frontier village" and "hom homs", saying "its tradition for nopon heroes to go beat up bad gods" and even had toy monados. Even the thing with the telethia superboss could only be there if it came as a leftover from the XB1 world
The problem is we know the white whale took some years to travel from earth to mira, meaning its a different world from earth (also shown by its multiple moons). So assuming alrest was originally earth too (given the year and their usual timeline in their xeno games) it would beg the question how would alrest and mira be the same place?
Sure the orbital ring broke apart at the end of 2 but did it pick up a few moons over the years? If so how does that account for the white whale in X, unless klaus's experiment did some dimension shifting across multiple universes which could explain the mysterious explosion in X which even the gangleon didnt understand
Maybe alvis shifted them back to the original universe but on a different planet than alrest?
Another tie in is how in definitive edition the key is replaced with an orange core crystal in the shape of pyra/mythra/pneumas and malos'
Όντως also means “for real”
FUN FACTS!
The sacrifice of meyneth/ Killing that huge Beast in morytha is another parallel (I think?)
Zelgius it could be, but I like to think that the name tag is a reused asset than that being galea and that the next game’s villain will be galea’s dark side like zanza
This game series is just Kingdom Hearts but well-explained and sensible, still hella complex though
It was pretty obvious, but now it's confirmed as of March 26th
This is a good time to come back to this video lol
The key is actually to Erin's basement, of course.
Luxin I love your passion on the xenoblade games . Great video ..
I would love more on Xenbolsde X . Also if X2 happens wich I am sure one day it will. What do you think will happen in X2. Do you think we will see more survivors from earth and what about the black Knight..
Considering the fact that Alvis” key necklace changed into the shape of an Aegis’ core crystal (as some in the comments already mentioned), I can’t wait to come back to this video AFTER Xenoblade 3’s release to see how many more views this video has if your theories in this video are indeed legitimate. I can tell just how much effort you put into this three part series and I gotta say, very, VERY well done. You’ve helped my understanding of the Xenoblade universe become that much better even though I’ve played all the games.
My god this man actually predicted xenoblade 3
This aged a little _too_ well
13:17 My eyes might be playin tricks on me, but the clouds kind look like the mechonis sorta
Yep
My head-canon was that the third Processor is the Nopon Arch-Sage. Think about it.
What's up with all the Trinity's in xenoblade,
The aigis cores
The manados (both shulk 1,2,3 and meyneyh zanza and shulk
The trinity proccessors
Pyra, mythra and neuman
Zanas deciples
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Coming back here to refresh on my boy ontos
i think the reason klaus knew of his soon demise is the fact that meyneth had just died, killing galea, as that is what happens (if zanza dies, so will klaus in x2 universe)so he probably suspected that someone will very soon kill zanza.
I also like to think that the ending events in XC1 and 2 was Shulk's universe merging back to Rex's universe, the original, but from Shulk's point of view looks like the universe is being recreated. The new continents that was being formed by the titans in Rex's world looks pretty similar to the land masses you see in the background of Shulk's recreated universe. That could be reaching but I feel like they made it intentional in XC2. And as for Alvis not looking or behaving more like a blade, that could be chalked up to him being in his own pocket universe separated from the influences of what Klaus was doing in his which was creating those particulates and core crystals and titans etc. I think Pneuma and Logos would have been just like Alvis but they were adapted to live in this new circle of life that Klaus made.
It’s my own headcannon that ophion was onto’s artifice. It’s the same color as alvis’ clothes just as mythra and malos’ artifacts are, and ophion can be controlled by either of them unlike their own artifacts. Probably because the ontos core is gone so there isn’t any user for ophion to reject control in favor of.
Wut. Option is purple. Alvis is not. Otherwise I was thinking the same thing myself.
JP alvis’ clothes are purple
Just like malos’ artiface & clothes are black, but he himself is not. Same with mythra and siren
Also, from where Ophion came from, the void of the old world where Alvis originated
@@mobybrick2357 only one of malos artifice matches his color actually. One siren. (And half of aion). Ophion and artifice colossi dont match colors but malos had colossi and gargoyles and mythra had siren and ophion. Also, all artifices have green core except malos first siren. In general, the color scheming doesn't match actually with who it belonged to.