The best piece of advice I ever got was to get as loose and numb as you can, and then get looser. I started trying to become too loose, just to see how far I could take it before it ruined my shot, and that's when I started getting real power and snap off the disc
This is EXACTLY where I am at in my disc golf journey. After a gauntlet of tournaments I'm taking 2 months off and starting over with intense focus on step-by-step technique. It is so difficult, good luck Jonathan!! Here's to hoping we both come out better on the other side.
The way I imagine it is like when you spin in an office chair and bring your legs in it speeds you up, and when you extend your legs the spinning slows down. Driving form is basically spinning in the chair 180 degrees. You start with your legs extended and then the power pocket is the speed gained from tucking everything in. Then you use the speed you gained from bringing your weight to center in the 'power pocket' and extend the arm, capturing the speed you made while tucked.
Definitely where I struggle the most, after almost 3 years, is trying to relax. My best shots are my slowest and most relaxed, but it is STILL totally counter intuitive. I try and focus on thinking of my hips rotating my shoulders and let my arm be as loose as possible, while still gripping the disc. Let’s get smooth and fast together everyone!🇸🇪🇨🇦
Saw a recent video from a finnish instructor who said "NO, PERKELE, DONT ROTATE, ONLY SHIFT WEIGHT TO FRONT LEG AND HIP" and it's actually a bunch easier. The rotation comes naturally and i dont have to think about it.
See I'm behind y'all. I don't think I've ever actually focused on my hips. Just all arms and shoulders. I definitely don't ever feel relaxed. This look like another hard addition to the game that's gonna be fun to learn.
Something I remember Tristan Tanner saying went something like "trying to go faster never results in better" when you're trying to learn a new movement. Slow down until it's correct and you don't have to think to do it correctly.
I’ve never been able to find someone to explain it this way. I always ask “am I supposed to try real hard with arm” but no one can really answer. So this was super helpful. Explaining it to be more like a slingshot and where to do that is helpful. You guys are my favorite disc golf RUclips channel. Very entertaining and educational!
Yep. Your arm is actually one of the least “used” muscles. Hips are working hard. Torso and shoulders are rotating hard. The arm can basically just be a noodle outside of the little bit of muscle involved in actually “aiming”
I love that Jonathanisms have leaking into my game. Now when I throw the disc well, I say “oh, it did the thing.” Thanks for helping me be able to “do the thing”.
Thank you, Jonathan, Johannes and Lat64! Jonathan's humility and readiness to learn, combined with Johannes' straightforward instruction always seem to make those concepts in disc golf I struggle to learn easier to understand! I went to the park today and feel like I finally could get some power in my backhand throws from my lower body vs. my weak noodle arms. Keep these tips coming!
The random dance off when 50 Cent came on was incredible. Thank you for this video! It touches on one of the bigger struggles in my drives and approaches, and gives me a way to work on it! I can't wait to try them!
I came for the Scandi Death Metal, but stayed for the lessons. Seriously, this has helped me think differently and more consciously about how I throw frisbees. Thank you for this :)
You stay smooth when you are happy and don´t try too much! So have a fun! The disk just follow your body, not your hand! But yeah, it is hard! Last two weeks are first smooth throws for me for this summer... Same happened last year also at autumn... Maybe I should start my diskgolf season at may... no too gold. You see my problem... But getting relaxed takes time to get it right...
Great video Johannes & Jonathan! For all y'all who struggle with throwing smooth and using the power pocket - you can do it! For me, practicing standstills & runups SLOWLY in the kitchen we're what helped. Y'all got this.
got my first order of discs ever from you this week, and just cant wait to trow them slowly now. those videos are so wholesome, the humour is always pure and there´s just no negativity. keep it up jonathan and the whole team
There is so much going into a backhand throw (literally your entire body) to even put into a 9 min video its best to start from the ground up starting with footwork which is the foundation and working your way up. Great job guys
This is great. After years of playing wrong I started from scratch. It is very difficult to unlearn what I was doing. I’ve been doing much better, my distance has improved greatly. Unfortunately my scores haven’t but it’s only a matter of time. Jonathan and Johannes thank you so much. Love you guys!!!
holding your disc *really* loosely and going through the throwing motion like you do in your kitchen, then tightening your grip RIGHT at the end and letting the disc rip will help your body understand how to throw more relaxed.
You guys absolutely hit it (with a nail?) with this one. 👍👍 But no matter how much you tell this to yourself (and other people) the slowing down and relaxing your arm part is not easy. Good luck for everybody in learning and also remembering this when throwing the disc. I've been learning this sport about 7 years and I'm still too fast with my hand waaaay too often.🙃
I was out practicing with some putters this morning and was trying to focus on my throws as a whole body movement, a complete, fluid motion, not worrying about power or distance. By doing this and adjusting to a fan grip I feel I had a really useful session and it felt like each disc flew more true to their numbers and flight paths. My Runes flew straight and the Proxy and Stabilizer faded reliably as expected. Looking forward to doing the same tomorrow with my mids. I’ve been learning and laughing a lot with the team and really appreciate what Lat64 and Jonathan have done with this series.
Thanks Jonathan. I feel the same thing you do. I do my runup with no disc and it feels good. Then, I go out and throw and it feels offand unnatural. I have been able to improve a bit, but I am definitely still rounding. I know to bring the disc into my chest and lead with triceps, but I just can't do it in practice. I will just keep at it. My timing is definitely getting better.
I’m fairly new to disc golf and this is presently my favourite video lesson. Highlights are at 1:03 and 9:06, both are better at .25x playback speed. 😅
This is by far one of the best explaination, incl. the lovely :* slow mo's on where to focus. Never heard it that way. Gimme more ! Great work, as always Jonathan and Johannes !
I still have a long journey to work on form, it has helped me to imagine driving with my shoulder, not my arm or hand. If you time the drive with your shoulder, it should sync with the rest of the power your lower body is producing. Imagine a horizontal string pulling your shoulder forward after the reach back. Just be as relaxed as a puppet and slow it down if need be. I have trouble with trying to rip through the disc after the pull back and It’s throwing the whole sync process off. Gonna have to try some field work at 20% power and just try and get into that power pocket flow. Also be conscience of leaning to forward or back. A good visual of a a hoola hoop around you.
Going frame by frame in the last comparison, you can see that the front foot pivots as the disc passes over it, as opposed to the first throw where the front foot pivots several frames after the disc has left the hand. Great video!
Regarding "Soft kittens". I have a keychain with a fluffy unicorn on my discgolf bag that hangs there to remind me to keep it slow and smooth and not being too stiff/jerky. Maybe find a keychain with a kitten and hang it on your bag to help you with that mindset Jonathan :o).
I've watched this video when it came out but I just rewatched it cuz I'm really trying to find the power pocket that's what's holding me back I watched this video went to the field and within 10 throws found the power pocket and it feels glorious it's a little scary at first your arm can't do s*** but once you feel it and find it you're going to feel blessed so go try and thank you Johannes
I recently started working on this as I would muscle the disc, just loosening up my body and using more hips in a standing position I was throwing my mids 25" further the very first day lol. I got a lot of work to do as its now messed up my 3 step timing/speed but I think I'll finally be driving with mids vs fairways to get even more accuracy
Amazing the many angles and points of view these videos bring to help one along with their game. Thanks, I will try this method of philosophy soon. Go Kristin!!
Awesome video my man. I feel like I'm in the same boat as you are. Im starting my disc golf journey and I'm hooked and learning and developing my swing. So I feel everything you're going through. Some days it feels like it's coming together and some days not so much but I love your videos man and just watching the progression is awesome! Keep up the great content!
Thank you so much for this video! It got me another 40-60ft of distance. I was trying to use my arm muscles instead of pulling through with my shoulder.
I second thee salute to the Devo reference. And am now picturing a montage of some epic disc golf throws with the song playing in the background and possibly some updated more disc-related lyrics.
This works super well for me: During the run up, keep the x-step small and fast, then there’s a delay, and then you plant step. This extra half second that you buy yourself allows you to do some key things: lets all your joints catch up and hover in the right position, allows you to check your aim is true, and most importantly… RELAX. This way, as soon as your plant foot touches the ground you’re already positioned to snap everything forward
I'm in the same boat as you. I can be fluid as you can, when we don't have a disc in our hand. We can let the arm be a whp and it looks great. Put a disc in our hand and we stiffen. up and that whip is really hard to obtain. So def in the same boat. Would like to know how to disconnect that stiffness when holding a disc firm.
Keep up the good work Jonathan! Disc golf is hard, which is why we love to play! I’ve been playing for like 10 years, and just now able to consistently thrown nose down lol. You’re picking it up way faster and don’t get discouraged! 🙏😄
Jonathan! Remember: Soft kittens, fluffy pillows! :D I am not smooth by any means, I am stiffer than a rusty old kylskåp. Watching you is an inspiration, keep it up!
I very recently had a breakthrough with the wrist. Even if I time my reach back with the last step I don't get the timing just right unless I also extend the wrist and let it curl during the throw. Something worth playing around with, we are all different in terms of levers and the wrist position can add just a little bit of lag.
I think what you said at the end is 100% true, slow things down and you might just end up adding alot of distance to your throws. A slow, but smooth and well timed throw will still net more distance than a fast, but sloppy run-up. even if you look at some of the pro's like Tristan Tanner who played amazing now at worlds what you can see is that he's pretty much just walking through his "run-up" but he's still one of the furthest throwing players out there and he would probably smoke James Conrad in a distance competition, even through JC has one of the fastest run-ups in the game...
Nice one, timely, been trying to work on my form after being stuck on the same distances, sore shoulder, inconsistency. Been thinking about my old baseball swings, snapping with speed not force. The force brain takes control more than I desire !
Looks like you are doing great to me. I'd love to see you try some of the more unique styles like Matt Orum. I'm always trying different techniques to see if i can make improvements. Keep up the great work!
I really love these videos and the metal vibes. Add my band “ Poisoned Breath “ to a video and I’ll be forever grateful! Keep up with the amazing content.
Good vid! Been through this, too, but I have corrected it. Now I throw straight and far. Also hyzers and anhyzers got way more accurate. If the upper body is not turned enough and early enough, the shoulder has to work to correct the direction. Also the energy does not properly get transfered from the hips to the shoulders, making a power compensation with the arm. That results in an arm throw and stiffness. Turning properly leaves the shoulder out of the equation completely, because using it would make you throw some 45 degrees to the right. However, I don't think "you are water" is a good enough advice. 😄 So how to turn correctly? Learn to use the non-throwing hand correctly. Slinging it down and forward will turn the shoulders and the whole body with it. This transfers the energy properly from the hips to the shoulders in a manner where nothing gets left behind. The sling happens right after the right foot has planted and just before turning for the throw. Hard to explain but the point is that it happens a little earlier than one might expect. Experimenting too early and late will result in a sense of the proper timing. Please note that a proper weight transfer and hip turn is necessary precursor for this. This was shown well in the video in my opinion with the single step drill. Weight transfer (feet) -> Hip turn (hips) -> Left arm sling to turn shoulders (shoulders) -> Slap to 10 o'clock (wrist) Hope this helps 😊
a trick that has helped me be smooth is to throw the Champion max weight MAKO3 the reason is IF you throw this disc hard at all it will turn over and burn into the ground you basically have to throw it like youre trying to lay up a putter from 40 ft away very soft but let your run up and reach back add the distance not your strength so grab yourself a MAKO3 and try to smoothly throw it on flat angle nose down and it will GLIDE 275-300ft like a LAZER with zero fade and that tells you that you just threw it perfectly this disc is a form helping disc imo and i can throw my drivers with way more accuracy now!
Yeah, I met and played with a dude on the course that threw the Mako3 really well. I bought one and I feel like I'm turning it over a lot or burning it into a cut roller. It's 180 gram Champion plastic so I think that's max weight? I can't seem to throw it very well. I'll take it out to a field and give it a whirl. Good tip man.
I think something that may help is to think you're not actually pushing and pulling your hand/disc. You're rotating your shoulders on axis. So more power means rotating the shoulders more before rotating them back. Your hand is a trebuchet. The further you push the spring down, (Rotating your shoulders back) the farther you can project the rock (the faster your can rotate and snap the disc out of you hsnd)
I think you should talk to the leaders of the latitude so we can get the your fuse as a standard stock release :) i didnt get to buy one and really wants it! hope you are releasing it again. big love!
I would definitely recommend you to try transferring the weight from the back leg to the front. But focus on being low on your feet, hips staying on the same level through the whole run up. Hopefully it helps :D
Keep up the hard work, Ive seen soo much improvement in your skills from when you first started, even before the improvements from the side by side in this video alone... I've also noticed that you seem to enjoy playing now far more than you ever did in the beginning!!
Love Johannes Slow mo. Made me laugh. The Oh, That was so good comment. Killed me. It definitely takes time to learn your throw.The run up. I am 2 years in playing disc golf. And I am always learning something new. Keep working at it. You will get better and see the improvement. And as Always. Buy Jonathan's signature Fuse!!
I've been playing for 35 years and have muscled many a disc. It's hard to back off. The things that have helped me were touched on by Johannes early on, that the effort we're going for here is quick not strong. The disc isn't a shot-put. It's light. So we don't need to bear down to rip it, we need that loose acceleration. It's funny, i've actually found that if i'm throwing mildly injured I often throw just as good if not better because in trying to be careful with the throw to avoid re-injury it calms the shot down enough to get better timing! 80% is all you need, just like in golf video games--try to huck and things get messy. But it's a process man.
Jonathan, there was a big difference in the before and after. Here's where! Notice the last couple seconds of the swing. In the second shot you generated so much more power that your whole body keeps twisting after you release! I think its like "follow through". You almost spun yourself completely around.
So 1) how do you control the disc and stop it from ripping out early if you're very relaxed? When I grip the disc with any kind off pressure my arm tightens. 2) How do you do the back knee drop and how does that drive rotation? Do you push off the back foot?
Don't throw full speed without weight in your hand. It can cause injury on tendons. Like a baseball pitcher uses a towel drill. Use a t shirt or hand towel it will snap as a bonus.
Doing the exact thing as you Jonathan.. Using my arm way to much.. Even so with a good throw I can reach 115-120m.. I am also very stiff and this is what I need to work on to get easier distance but also more controlled shots
Ja det är ju supersvårt att som inte ta i med armen tycker jag. Men har som försökt att sakta ner allt supermycket nu efter vi spelade in videon. Och typ skita i att "kasta bra" och istället "kasta rätt". Inte jättelätt tycker jag att komma ihåg där på tee-paden alltid. Men ändå, haha! 120m arm är ju jäkligt bra också! Du kommer ju kasta svinlångt då med lite annan teknik kanske =) /Jonathan
@@Latitude64 haha jag hör dig.. behöver kanske gå på massage inför varje runda för att mjukas upp lite 🤣 handlar nog helt enkelt om massa field work och bara träna på att vara avslappnad i kasten :)
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Make more Jonathan Fuses!
I most certainly will. Winter is coming. Sleeves needed.
The best feeling would be a Jonathan Fuse! Help me find it 🙂
Still hoping for the day I'll find a glow Diamond when I press that link! 😉
Im not much of a smooth discgolf person but my friends tell me I have a smooth brain, so atleast I have that going for me.
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Underrated joke here
The best piece of advice I ever got was to get as loose and numb as you can, and then get looser. I started trying to become too loose, just to see how far I could take it before it ruined my shot, and that's when I started getting real power and snap off the disc
This is EXACTLY where I am at in my disc golf journey. After a gauntlet of tournaments I'm taking 2 months off and starting over with intense focus on step-by-step technique.
It is so difficult, good luck Jonathan!! Here's to hoping we both come out better on the other side.
The way I imagine it is like when you spin in an office chair and bring your legs in it speeds you up, and when you extend your legs the spinning slows down. Driving form is basically spinning in the chair 180 degrees. You start with your legs extended and then the power pocket is the speed gained from tucking everything in. Then you use the speed you gained from bringing your weight to center in the 'power pocket' and extend the arm, capturing the speed you made while tucked.
I like this image.
@@henningg.1687 Me driving a disc: Weeeeeeeeeeeee!
Wow thanks I found this super helpful
this makes sense! =)
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Definitely where I struggle the most, after almost 3 years, is trying to relax. My best shots are my slowest and most relaxed, but it is STILL totally counter intuitive. I try and focus on thinking of my hips rotating my shoulders and let my arm be as loose as possible, while still gripping the disc. Let’s get smooth and fast together everyone!🇸🇪🇨🇦
Exactly and precisely where I find myself, well said !
Saw a recent video from a finnish instructor who said "NO, PERKELE, DONT ROTATE, ONLY SHIFT WEIGHT TO FRONT LEG AND HIP" and it's actually a bunch easier. The rotation comes naturally and i dont have to think about it.
See I'm behind y'all. I don't think I've ever actually focused on my hips. Just all arms and shoulders. I definitely don't ever feel relaxed. This look like another hard addition to the game that's gonna be fun to learn.
Something I remember Tristan Tanner saying went something like "trying to go faster never results in better" when you're trying to learn a new movement. Slow down until it's correct and you don't have to think to do it correctly.
I’ve never been able to find someone to explain it this way. I always ask “am I supposed to try real hard with arm” but no one can really answer. So this was super helpful. Explaining it to be more like a slingshot and where to do that is helpful. You guys are my favorite disc golf RUclips channel. Very entertaining and educational!
Yep. Your arm is actually one of the least “used” muscles.
Hips are working hard. Torso and shoulders are rotating hard. The arm can basically just be a noodle outside of the little bit of muscle involved in actually “aiming”
This is the video I've needed, I muscle the disc, and haven't figured out how to engage my legs. To the field!
Yeah I find it super hard not to use the arm, haha. Good luck! /Jonathan
The best bromance in disc golf! Excellent video again J & J!
I love that Jonathanisms have leaking into my game. Now when I throw the disc well, I say “oh, it did the thing.” Thanks for helping me be able to “do the thing”.
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Thank you, Jonathan, Johannes and Lat64! Jonathan's humility and readiness to learn, combined with Johannes' straightforward instruction always seem to make those concepts in disc golf I struggle to learn easier to understand! I went to the park today and feel like I finally could get some power in my backhand throws from my lower body vs. my weak noodle arms. Keep these tips coming!
My Jonathan special edition 179g orange Fuse came in the mail today. The stamp artwork is lovely, thank you.
The random dance off when 50 Cent came on was incredible.
Thank you for this video! It touches on one of the bigger struggles in my drives and approaches, and gives me a way to work on it! I can't wait to try them!
I came for the Scandi Death Metal, but stayed for the lessons. Seriously, this has helped me think differently and more consciously about how I throw frisbees. Thank you for this :)
"Can you hear this"............"NO" 😆 Always love your videos and I have the same issue, feels smooth until I add the disc!
You stay smooth when you are happy and don´t try too much!
So have a fun!
The disk just follow your body, not your hand!
But yeah, it is hard! Last two weeks are first smooth throws for me for this summer... Same happened last year also at autumn... Maybe I should start my diskgolf season at may... no too gold. You see my problem...
But getting relaxed takes time to get it right...
Great video Johannes & Jonathan! For all y'all who struggle with throwing smooth and using the power pocket - you can do it! For me, practicing standstills & runups SLOWLY in the kitchen we're what helped. Y'all got this.
That's funny because I keep saying that's what I need to do. Right here in the kitchen.
got my first order of discs ever from you this week, and just cant wait to trow them slowly now. those videos are so wholesome, the humour is always pure and there´s just no negativity. keep it up jonathan and the whole team
Thank you so much =). Hope you´ll enjoy the discs also. /Jonathan
There is so much going into a backhand throw (literally your entire body) to even put into a 9 min video its best to start from the ground up starting with footwork which is the foundation and working your way up. Great job guys
This is great. After years of playing wrong I started from scratch. It is very difficult to unlearn what I was doing. I’ve been doing much better, my distance has improved greatly. Unfortunately my scores haven’t but it’s only a matter of time. Jonathan and Johannes thank you so much. Love you guys!!!
Whoever is sitting in your video editing booth is king. Comedic timing gold. Keep it up, bois.
That would be me. Thank you ❤️🤘 /Jonathan
Those run up edits made my day. Thank you guys for the great content!
holding your disc *really* loosely and going through the throwing motion like you do in your kitchen, then tightening your grip RIGHT at the end and letting the disc rip will help your body understand how to throw more relaxed.
You guys absolutely hit it (with a nail?) with this one. 👍👍 But no matter how much you tell this to yourself (and other people) the slowing down and relaxing your arm part is not easy. Good luck for everybody in learning and also remembering this when throwing the disc. I've been learning this sport about 7 years and I'm still too fast with my hand waaaay too often.🙃
Great video! Latitude 64 has the best disc golf YT content out there hands down. Thanks Jonathan!
I was out practicing with some putters this morning and was trying to focus on my throws as a whole body movement, a complete, fluid motion, not worrying about power or distance. By doing this and adjusting to a fan grip I feel I had a really useful session and it felt like each disc flew more true to their numbers and flight paths. My Runes flew straight and the Proxy and Stabilizer faded reliably as expected. Looking forward to doing the same tomorrow with my mids.
I’ve been learning and laughing a lot with the team and really appreciate what Lat64 and Jonathan have done with this series.
Yes! I finally understand!! In ball golf, this would be like the "lag" part of the swing that happens at the top. Thanks my dudes.
Thanks Jonathan. I feel the same thing you do. I do my runup with no disc and it feels good. Then, I go out and throw and it feels offand unnatural. I have been able to improve a bit, but I am definitely still rounding. I know to bring the disc into my chest and lead with triceps, but I just can't do it in practice. I will just keep at it. My timing is definitely getting better.
What is the power pocket and where can I buy that disc? /sarcasm..
Great video yet again, will probably help me reach the illusive 130m mark!
Let me know if you reach it! I have a long way to go, haha =)
Glad you liked the video ❤🤘
@@Latitude64 Will do! Keep up the youtube grind, 100k around the corner.
@@WhackyCast Thank you, sir =)
Pretty sure Jonathan didn’t get the “whip it good” reference. Thanks to both of you for helping me in my disc golf journey! 3 months in now.
Devo?
I’m fairly new to disc golf and this is presently my favourite video lesson. Highlights are at 1:03 and 9:06, both are better at .25x playback speed. 😅
This is by far one of the best explaination, incl. the lovely :* slow mo's on where to focus. Never heard it that way. Gimme more !
Great work, as always Jonathan and Johannes !
My Jonathan Fastborg Fuse came and a new video on the same day? Best day ever!!!
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I still have a long journey to work on form, it has helped me to imagine driving with my shoulder, not my arm or hand. If you time the drive with your shoulder, it should sync with the rest of the power your lower body is producing. Imagine a horizontal string pulling your shoulder forward after the reach back. Just be as relaxed as a puppet and slow it down if need be. I have trouble with trying to rip through the disc after the pull back and It’s throwing the whole sync process off. Gonna have to try some field work at 20% power and just try and get into that power pocket flow. Also be conscience of leaning to forward or back. A good visual of a a hoola hoop around you.
The music during the form exercise was hilarious. Thanks for the laugh. I really needed that.
Thank you so much for saying, "Whip it good"!!! It would have bugged me for days if one of you didn't say it. tytyty
I almost teared up during the slow motion montage of Johannes at the beginning, very touching!
Always love the videos. Just remember, slow is smooth and smooth is fast!!!
Going frame by frame in the last comparison, you can see that the front foot pivots as the disc passes over it, as opposed to the first throw where the front foot pivots several frames after the disc has left the hand. Great video!
This makes sense. Thank you =)
Noticeably better timing on your “after” clip. Keep at it!!
Regarding "Soft kittens". I have a keychain with a fluffy unicorn on my discgolf bag that hangs there to remind me to keep it slow and smooth and not being too stiff/jerky. Maybe find a keychain with a kitten and hang it on your bag to help you with that mindset Jonathan :o).
"Distance for everyone"! Left side follow through (arm and leg)...Love you guys!
ive watched a lot of videos trying to get better form. this is the first that really explained the timings properly. thank you!!
Keep working on it. I found it this year and I have been playing since 2014. Repetition until it becomes completely natural is next.
My teenage brother is struggling with rounding and momentum. This is probably better than any tutorial I can give him.
I can also suggest watching slingshot discgolf..good explanations on how to be soft and smooth
Haha no that went over my head 😂. How the disc golf going? /Jonathan
I've watched this video when it came out but I just rewatched it cuz I'm really trying to find the power pocket that's what's holding me back I watched this video went to the field and within 10 throws found the power pocket and it feels glorious it's a little scary at first your arm can't do s*** but once you feel it and find it you're going to feel blessed so go try and thank you Johannes
I recently started working on this as I would muscle the disc, just loosening up my body and using more hips in a standing position I was throwing my mids 25" further the very first day lol. I got a lot of work to do as its now messed up my 3 step timing/speed but I think I'll finally be driving with mids vs fairways to get even more accuracy
This is great. Needed these tips to help my form. Having Jonathan learn with us is suuuper helpful and Johannes describes things very well!
Hi! Love your videos!😍 could you please show us how to throw a good forehand!
I'm going to try this. Played for the first time Saturday... nobody accused me of being slingshotty or smooth. Thanks for the instruction.
Amazing the many angles and points of view these videos bring to help one along with their game. Thanks, I will try this method of philosophy soon. Go Kristin!!
Awesome video my man. I feel like I'm in the same boat as you are. Im starting my disc golf journey and I'm hooked and learning and developing my swing. So I feel everything you're going through. Some days it feels like it's coming together and some days not so much but I love your videos man and just watching the progression is awesome! Keep up the great content!
Thank you so much for this video! It got me another 40-60ft of distance. I was trying to use my arm muscles instead of pulling through with my shoulder.
It all makes sense now! I spent 2 weeks working out my arm and saw zero increase in distance. It's not about the arm!
Nice Devo reference ! Even to this day, I have the lyrics to that song totally memorized. Not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing......
I second thee salute to the Devo reference. And am now picturing a montage of some epic disc golf throws with the song playing in the background and possibly some updated more disc-related lyrics.
This works super well for me:
During the run up, keep the x-step small and fast, then there’s a delay, and then you plant step. This extra half second that you buy yourself allows you to do some key things: lets all your joints catch up and hover in the right position, allows you to check your aim is true, and most importantly… RELAX. This way, as soon as your plant foot touches the ground you’re already positioned to snap everything forward
I love the metal in the disc golf videos!!
I need to go out and practice this. I belive this hits the nail on the head for me.
I'm in the same boat as you. I can be fluid as you can, when we don't have a disc in our hand. We can let the arm be a whp and it looks great. Put a disc in our hand and we stiffen. up and that whip is really hard to obtain. So def in the same boat. Would like to know how to disconnect that stiffness when holding a disc firm.
Yepp, totally agree! That’s me too.
Keep up the good work Jonathan! Disc golf is hard, which is why we love to play! I’ve been playing for like 10 years, and just now able to consistently thrown nose down lol. You’re picking it up way faster and don’t get discouraged! 🙏😄
Jonathan! Remember: Soft kittens, fluffy pillows! :D I am not smooth by any means, I am stiffer than a rusty old kylskåp. Watching you is an inspiration, keep it up!
I very recently had a breakthrough with the wrist. Even if I time my reach back with the last step I don't get the timing just right unless I also extend the wrist and let it curl during the throw. Something worth playing around with, we are all different in terms of levers and the wrist position can add just a little bit of lag.
I think what you said at the end is 100% true, slow things down and you might just end up adding alot of distance to your throws. A slow, but smooth and well timed throw will still net more distance than a fast, but sloppy run-up. even if you look at some of the pro's like Tristan Tanner who played amazing now at worlds what you can see is that he's pretty much just walking through his "run-up" but he's still one of the furthest throwing players out there and he would probably smoke James Conrad in a distance competition, even through JC has one of the fastest run-ups in the game...
Yeah I agree with this. I´ve also started to look at Linus Carlssons throw. It´s just smooth and controlled =)
Nice one, timely, been trying to work on my form after being stuck on the same distances, sore shoulder, inconsistency. Been thinking about my old baseball swings, snapping with speed not force. The force brain takes control more than I desire !
Looks like you are doing great to me. I'd love to see you try some of the more unique styles like Matt Orum. I'm always trying different techniques to see if i can make improvements. Keep up the great work!
I really love these videos and the metal vibes.
Add my band “ Poisoned Breath “ to a video and I’ll be forever grateful!
Keep up with the amazing content.
Good vid!
Been through this, too, but I have corrected it. Now I throw straight and far. Also hyzers and anhyzers got way more accurate.
If the upper body is not turned enough and early enough, the shoulder has to work to correct the direction. Also the energy does not properly get transfered from the hips to the shoulders, making a power compensation with the arm. That results in an arm throw and stiffness.
Turning properly leaves the shoulder out of the equation completely, because using it would make you throw some 45 degrees to the right.
However, I don't think "you are water" is a good enough advice. 😄
So how to turn correctly? Learn to use the non-throwing hand correctly. Slinging it down and forward will turn the shoulders and the whole body with it. This transfers the energy properly from the hips to the shoulders in a manner where nothing gets left behind.
The sling happens right after the right foot has planted and just before turning for the throw. Hard to explain but the point is that it happens a little earlier than one might expect. Experimenting too early and late will result in a sense of the proper timing.
Please note that a proper weight transfer and hip turn is necessary precursor for this. This was shown well in the video in my opinion with the single step drill.
Weight transfer (feet) -> Hip turn (hips) -> Left arm sling to turn shoulders (shoulders) -> Slap to 10 o'clock (wrist)
Hope this helps 😊
a trick that has helped me be smooth is to throw the Champion max weight MAKO3 the reason is IF you throw this disc hard at all it will turn over and burn into the ground you basically have to throw it like youre trying to lay up a putter from 40 ft away very soft but let your run up and reach back add the distance not your strength so grab yourself a MAKO3 and try to smoothly throw it on flat angle nose down and it will GLIDE 275-300ft like a LAZER with zero fade and that tells you that you just threw it perfectly this disc is a form helping disc imo and i can throw my drivers with way more accuracy now!
Yeah, I met and played with a dude on the course that threw the Mako3 really well. I bought one and I feel like I'm turning it over a lot or burning it into a cut roller. It's 180 gram Champion plastic so I think that's max weight? I can't seem to throw it very well. I'll take it out to a field and give it a whirl. Good tip man.
I think something that may help is to think you're not actually pushing and pulling your hand/disc. You're rotating your shoulders on axis. So more power means rotating the shoulders more before rotating them back.
Your hand is a trebuchet. The further you push the spring down, (Rotating your shoulders back) the farther you can project the rock (the faster your can rotate and snap the disc out of you hsnd)
I think you should talk to the leaders of the latitude so we can get the your fuse as a standard stock release :) i didnt get to buy one and really wants it! hope you are releasing it again. big love!
This video was the missing link in my throwing. I have always wondered exactly when to start turning!
Amazing as always!
Thank you!!!
Its so much smoother! Well done!!!!
Thank you =)
I think I'm probably the stiffest disc golfer in the world 😂. I do have some spinal limitations, but I try my best! You can get it, Jonathan!
You need to try the Twirly Bird! Think it’d really help you loosen up.
I would definitely recommend you to try transferring the weight from the back leg to the front. But focus on being low on your feet, hips staying on the same level through the whole run up. Hopefully it helps :D
The heroes are back!!
What is that music during the Final Result screen transition. That is a dope beat.
As usual - I love the video - I laugh along with you guys - and I lean something!
Air Bolts in the power pocket for the win! Make some please (and thank you!)
Man, this content is GOLD! Also you guys are so funny and I love it!
Thank you so much =)
Great instructional video & I got a couple of good laughs too. Y'all are quite the Dynamic Duo! Love your videos.
Keep up the hard work, Ive seen soo much improvement in your skills from when you first started, even before the improvements from the side by side in this video alone... I've also noticed that you seem to enjoy playing now far more than you ever did in the beginning!!
Just got my disc last night.. keep it up Jonathan
Love Johannes Slow mo. Made me laugh. The Oh, That was so good comment. Killed me. It definitely takes time to learn your throw.The run up. I am 2 years in playing disc golf. And I am always learning something new. Keep working at it. You will get better and see the improvement. And as Always. Buy Jonathan's signature Fuse!!
Missed you guys! Glad you’re back
I think this is exactly what I needed - cant wait to try it out!
Good job Jonathan in this little training session you improved a lot
Thank you so much. It´s hard do to keep in mind at all times I find, haha 😂. have a great day!
Great Video! In the before you lead with your shoulder, in the after you lead with your leg/hip. Time to practice!
I've been playing for 35 years and have muscled many a disc. It's hard to back off. The things that have helped me were touched on by Johannes early on, that the effort we're going for here is quick not strong. The disc isn't a shot-put. It's light. So we don't need to bear down to rip it, we need that loose acceleration. It's funny, i've actually found that if i'm throwing mildly injured I often throw just as good if not better because in trying to be careful with the throw to avoid re-injury it calms the shot down enough to get better timing! 80% is all you need, just like in golf video games--try to huck and things get messy. But it's a process man.
Jonathan, there was a big difference in the before and after. Here's where! Notice the last couple seconds of the swing. In the second shot you generated so much more power that your whole body keeps twisting after you release! I think its like "follow through". You almost spun yourself completely around.
Thanks for the tips, you guys are so cool!
I’ll be working on this hopefully I can get loose
I don't even come here for the discgolf content anymore, just the entertainment. Content is great too though :)
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Really loved this video! Thank you for sharing!
Thank you, Darin =)
Keep the videos coming !!!!! And keep the metal 🤘
5:56, that’s a crazylaugh.
Haha 100 percent 😂
Come on Johnny, loosen up and whip the disc. Thanks for my fuse, great disc
So 1) how do you control the disc and stop it from ripping out early if you're very relaxed? When I grip the disc with any kind off pressure my arm tightens. 2) How do you do the back knee drop and how does that drive rotation? Do you push off the back foot?
Don't throw full speed without weight in your hand. It can cause injury on tendons. Like a baseball pitcher uses a towel drill. Use a t shirt or hand towel it will snap as a bonus.
The key for me was leading with the elbow order typ get the snap. That made shoulder stay in place until the follow trough
Doing the exact thing as you Jonathan.. Using my arm way to much.. Even so with a good throw I can reach 115-120m.. I am also very stiff and this is what I need to work on to get easier distance but also more controlled shots
Ja det är ju supersvårt att som inte ta i med armen tycker jag. Men har som försökt att sakta ner allt supermycket nu efter vi spelade in videon. Och typ skita i att "kasta bra" och istället "kasta rätt". Inte jättelätt tycker jag att komma ihåg där på tee-paden alltid. Men ändå, haha!
120m arm är ju jäkligt bra också! Du kommer ju kasta svinlångt då med lite annan teknik kanske =)
/Jonathan
@@Latitude64 haha jag hör dig.. behöver kanske gå på massage inför varje runda för att mjukas upp lite 🤣 handlar nog helt enkelt om massa field work och bara träna på att vara avslappnad i kasten :)