Are Electrical Engineers actually engineers?
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- Опубликовано: 25 мар 2022
- The question on everyone's lips is finally answered today as we find out, are electrical engineers actually engineers! In Power to the People we will find out: Do electrical engineers deserve the title of engineers, or are they just architects in disguise?
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Meanwhile in a mechanical engineering office: "Are civil engineers actually engineers? Or just glorified architects? " :D
Meanwhile at NASA: "Everyone knows all nonspace engineers are just glorified architects"
@@SylviaRustyFae Electrical, Civil and Mechanical engineering are the only core engineering branches. Perhaps Chemical Engineering counts too. Everything else can't be considered as actual engineering, especially incompetent software engineers.
@@Sm00thieK I’d double check your history there. Civil Engineering is the oldest branch of engineering, everything either diverged from it or Military Engineering. Plus in my totally unbiased opinion it should be first on the list as nothing could exist without civil infrastructure and is so special that legislature has been passed to stop other wannabes from trying their hand at its hardest aspects. Everyone else MIGHT get there FE and PE… structural engineers have to go a step further and get their SE as well!
@@Sm00thieK in the beginning there were military engineers and civil engineers. “Mechanical engineers” are just glorified wagon fixers, “chemical engineers” are just glorified alchemists, and “electrical engineers” are glorified inventors who fly kites in storms hahaha
Its glorified architecture
Whoever made this game was clearly an Electric Engineer. You can just feel the hatred they had working for the city. Just the snide remarks and low opinion of politicians. And I am not even 4 minutes in and this game has more personality than SimCity.
There is a lot of puns and Easter eggs in the game. The devs have offices in Vejle, Denmark, which is why that level is in the game
i think it has more personality than most sim games
I'm impressed that the man built this game.
Indeed.
As an electrical engineer, I concur.
I find this question interesting because us mechanical engineers always said that civil engineering wasn't real.
Ha ha
Wait until you find out about MARITIME ENGINEERING!
The Audacity of this guy. 😤
Mechanical Engineers design weapons; Civil Engineers design targets...
lmao what are you doing here kan i watch you and rcce whos next scrap man xD
I'm a Matt that's an electrical engineer, the electrical version of Infra. Once on a field check, I sat down on what I thought was a storage box, turned out to be capacitors to offset a very big motor. If I shifted my butt 3 cm to the left, I would have sat on an exposed lead and exploded so can confirm, electrical engineering does involve more explosions than is probably healthy for me.
Regardless of the branch of engineering, butt explosions are not generally desired.
XD GEZ talk about a close call.
Oops
My stroke had a brain
Thank you so much for covering our game! We were thrilled when we saw you uploaded this video! 🤩
grats!
Back once again for the renegade master!
@@tigrecito48I can’t believe this went unnoticed. Bravo!
@@BattousaiHBrcongrats*
I watched the video and immediately bought the game on Steam. It's fun and easy to get into!
Electrical engineers also prefer dropping things in from orbit. It helps to bypass all of the architects and the few civil engineers (RCE) who doubt our worth
Shots fired
As an electron, energy keep ascending me to higher orbit :(
Currently im at n=3 l=2 m=0 s=1/2
@@falcon9ft710 I’m too dumb to understand the joke but I recognize humor when I see it. 😂🤙
@@falcon9ft710 this is a bit müch för enginerrs. They mostly use the Bohr model.
But nice d-orbital-energy
@@dinmagol9874 Bohrs model is fraud
2:15 Every electrical engineer worth his salt knows the most efficient method of delivering infrastructure is through orbital drop.
Maybe it's because we have been playing too much KSP before developing Power to the People! 🤪
@@RhombicoGames that must be a LOT of infrastructure you have in orbit... just hope no rogue micro-meteors puncture your precious arrays of batteries and transformers.
As a Master in Electrical Engineering, we are the engineers of engineers, even magicians, engineering with magic so that the world can run seamlessly.
I think that this example is closer to architecture than engineering, but it is engineering nonetheless. There are like a hundred other fields of electrical engineering though, that are more closer to engineering. Source: I m also an electrical engineer, and agree that a lot of it is definitely magic
Humanity: how do electrical transformers work?
Electrical engineers: haha voltage go brr
electricity is the blood of the modern world!
As someone going for their major in EE, I hope whoever questioned whether electrical engineering is actually engineering will live without the power grid, wireless communications and radar. And come on, we're no supposed to tell the population about the black magic involved in our line of work!
I am an electrician installing your engineered designs... and I’m gonna scream at the next guy who makes me pull 400’ of 0000.
Parallels are an option, I’d rather do the conduit work when there is a perfectly good conduit rack already there.
I run parallels in oil/ gas fields because usually “customer” supplied parts are not correct. But they have a lot of it.
I find it strange at the time when wire was cheap, they’d rather spend a dime to save a penny.
"Being an Electrical Engineer is easy!" Ten seconds later, the world falls apart. I laughed so hard. Hahahaha
As an actual electrical engineer I recommend building your generators and batteries separated from each other. Mainly to avoid overload on your TL (and losses as well, but I'm not sure if this game takes that into consideration).
When windmills turn off, their placement will at least overload cables they're connected with and after one explosion on their route towns will die in darkness
Transmission losses are modelled
@@Mpkki redundant cable runs are advisable in any case
As someone who lives in denmark, i can confirm the devs did their research on the buffs
I Can also confirm that
The devs live in Vejle, Denmark. Which is why the little town is in the game.
Yeah I thought just when he said it that it is so right. Jeg er dansk
man said "
vegle"
@@jamesworkman9087 dansk i en nøddeskal/ Danish in a
nutshell
Our molten salt facility was a constant headache: it needed backup (diesel/propane) generation to keep the batteries hot, worked correctly maybe half the time, and caught fire four times in about a decade. Fortunately, the last fire was sufficiently catastrophic that the facility is no longer a problem. The toxic gas cloud was mostly contained to the building, and nobody in the nearby town died. I don't think anyone has an idea what to do with all the toxic waste... the current plan probably involves some caution tape, a padlock, and confidence that someone in the distant future will figure it out.
"the plan involves some caution tape, a padlock, and confidence that someone in the distant future will figure it out" I wonder why that's fine for chemical waste of the highest grade, but uuuuu, nuclear waste is "dangerous".....
@@monad_tcp because people think that a nuclear plant is like a nuclear bomb.
@@rogers4760 the word is pronounced nukular!
@@monad_tcp I don't know if I would call this "highest grade." Nuclear waste would be way worse, not just because of radiation, but because of heavy metals leaching into the groundwater.
@Roger S Nuclear plants have all sorts of non-obvious environmental costs even if there is never a meltdown. You have to kill a river to dispose of the waste heat. Mining the fuel is extremely destructive and generates its own toxic waste. The plant's waste is not just the spent fuel, but also many other parts of the facility, including the coolant and radioactive gases/particulates that escape during operation.
@@glenm99
And building a solar panel isn’t “clean” either.
So does building a Tesla and batteries.
Both aren’t “clean”.
You need oil to LUBRICATE the bearings of the wind so they can actually spin.
Everything isn’t clean. Clean natural energy isn’t “clean” one bit.
No. They're not engineers.
They're magicians
A Mechanical Engineer
Or Wizards
they make all your money disappear
How the power grid functions will always be beyond my understanding. I mean i know how it dose in theory but how the f*** dose one manage something thats connected everywhere, needs to produce power at the same time its needed, has multiple power plants that all need to work in unison despite being massivly complicated themselves and one mistake can snowball into huge chunks of the system going offline due to damage. Electrical engineers really are magicians.
Pixie Wranglers
As someone part way through electronics engineering I just fucking laughed my ass off.
"Screw the maintenance.." Having had to service mainline electrical systems, I can confirm, this is 100% accurate!
Got accepted into my college of choice for a bachelors in electrical engineering recently
As a fellow college applicant, good job, I wish you luck!
Just about to finish mine, good luck and study well :D
Godspeed. Brace yourself for the mathematical mental torture that awaits.
Electrical Engineers are not Architects, that’s all that matters
Architects are engineers that failed at math.
@@BrokenLifeCycle Architects are just really terrible designers who think of themselves as engineers, something that couldn't be any further from the truth even if it tried hard.
I believe that electrical engineers are underrated tbh
I second that!
No they aren't, it is one of the best engineering branches even from the 50s. It isn't popular with the new gen because it also happens to be one of the, if not the hardest engineering branches around.
@@Sm00thieK It isn't popular with the current generation because IT pays way better. I'm working as an electrical engineer, as a designer for low and medium voltage power lines, a job that *requires* a master's degree and at least 3 years of experience, and even entry level jobs for a person with some IT degree pay twice as much as my job.
@@kolosmenus Nah entry level electrical engg actually pays better than most IT jobs, atleast where I live in.
@@kolosmenus I am an Electrical engineer too, but I earn more than my CS friends from my uni.
Electrical (and electronics) engineering is the sorcery of getting magic smoke to do stuff, but if you ever release the magic smoke bad things happen.
yes
As a highschool student that is currently taking a computer technology class I agree (if I pass the class I would get a computer technician certification btw)
I am an engineer, and this game is a dream come true.
People stay mad some time after restoring power. The molten salt facility can output 40MW, so you supplied enough. A simple look at the stats would have shown this.
I usually love (love!) your content, but watching you play this makes me want to revoke your engineering degree. 😂😭😅
youtuber and playing so bad you wanna punch them over the internet
It could have put out 40MW, for a little while... the storage was limited. That is why he built so many.
Did you know electrical engineers have to prepare for things like solar storms so the entire grid doesn't go down when the sun decides to have a bad day and throw out a giant cloud of charged particles?
Back in the days of telegraphs they would cross the two wires over occasionally when running them from pole to pole. Before they started doing this, solar storms could generate some serious high voltage at the ends. The crossing over part works, because a "normal" section will generate one voltage, while the "crossed over" section will generate a reverse voltage and they cancel out. This trick is still used today: if you have ever cut open some internet cables and found pairs of twisted wires, this is also done to protect them from electromagnetic interference.
That's part of the challenge in one of the maps: Cairo.
That's actually a cool game! I would really like to see more of it on your channel!
Also, a quite interesting infrastructure engineering is in Workers & Resources: Soviet Republic. In this game you also need to cope with electricity (high voltage, low voltage, substations), but also with heating pipes, as well as water and sewage (in upcoming update). That might be a challenge for you!
As a power engineer, I'm proud of all the intuition you quickly formed regarding parallel lines for thermal loading, voltage support, etc, and I was taking a shot every time I saw a simplification for the sake of games. I need a lie down now.
I recommend engineering with redundancy of transmission lines and substations in mind and playing with the load overlay turned on. In the company info screen activate the topmost option (conservative) for the best balancing. Route cables inside the city along expected street lines early, before the City develops
This was so fun to watch! Would love more videos on Power to the People!
Electrical engineers are actually magicians: everything they build runs on smoke.
Then they are merely half-magicians as they only use smoke but not mirrors.
@@nova_supreme8390 I think solar farms use mirrors
Steam turbines and water wheels. We are stuck in the 1800s.
@@nova_supreme8390 photonics use mirrors, and is growing into larger sectors of the field. For instance there's mems micromirror arrays used in dlp projectors (literally microscopic mirrors the size of pixels that are tilted with electric charge).
@@mejhdhhicbfshihids652 Those are concentrated solar plants. There are photovoltaic plants too, which uses the solar panels most are familiar with.
this game is dope, more pls! how do you find all these little indie city builder games?
As a Mechanical engineer (building services), I can confirm electrical engineers are not real engineers, its all wizardry and putting squiggly lines on drawings.
im studying electronic engineering final year and we work closely with them I can attest that they are real engineers working with dangerous stuff in comparrison with me 😂
ooo and our engineering test week is starting monday 🙃 sad boyy noises
@@mollimm9223 good luck with ur test 👌
Engineers don't do work, they sit in an office.
The actual work is done by the following:
Electrical - Electricians
Mechanical - Mechanics / Machinists
Chemical - Chemists
Civil - Civilians...anyone can dig in dirt
Structural - Builders, because there's always someone that has to be a contrarian and deviate from the norm - in this case, standardized naming conventions.
To be fair, engineers occasionally have to do math, so I'd rather just stick with the manual labor, personally.
I don't know, I hear that poisoned sand can be pretty dangerous too
@@Shin_Lona you must be an architect because you have no clue what engineers do
Please make more content on this game, it’s incredibly fun to watch
Electrical engineer here. Thanks for showing this game! But energy doesn't run.... It flows. And remember to always put a plug in the socket so the electrofluidum stays inside!
Now i'm curious:
Are Software Engineers actually engineers?
They don't like the architects of the game aka the designers
@@epicthief you're 100% correct!
Yup me too
Absolutely no
what about sound engineers?
this seems like a lot of fun. I'm looking forward to more of it, if you are playing it more, couldn't find a playlist.
I can see myself watching a whole RCE series on this game.
I love the personalities of the helpers. Reminds me of classic SimCity games. There's an awesome new generation of simulation games out there today!
I'd love to see more of this. Very different take on engineering and solving issues.
There should be option that highlights the power lines from green, yellow, orange, and red to make it easier to see when the lines are being overloaded like when evening comes and people are back from work you can see what lines are being overloaded if like to many homes want power on that 1 line lol
I come from a family of electrical engineers and plan on being one myself so to answer the title… HELL YEAH
I don’t know if that was an excited hell yeah or a threatening he’ll yeah
@@miscellaneous2160 excited lol
@@king_blitz6479 May which ever deity you choose have mercy on your soul... for the consumer will have none!
(Good luck in your studies!)
@@Haladmer thank you very much
Matt always manages to make me really wanna play all these games, but I know I'd never have as much fun playing them as watching him ^^
I work for the water treatment plant in my city (one of the largest non ocean effluent plants in the US), the engineer talk between the 2 character's is very much like it is between shifts at the water plant, when the different engineers go back and forth. Its wild cause we have Grade 4 technicians (highest level technician, can run any treatment plant in North America), water resource and mechanical engineers from 2 different companies (one is more on the ground in the plant and the other is more on the computer side of it), and structural and mechanical from 1 construction company on site, they are on site on 1st and half of 2nd shift. The arguments they get in to and passive aggressive changes they do to each other are crazy.
theres a bunch more like purchasing between grids, load balancing, frequency, what phases and levels of KV youre transmitting and to which customers, how to deal with distributed generation, etc
Considering the messy yet efficient grid of electricity that usually supplies cities, yes they’re engineers
Hey, it's not our fault some silly architect and/or city planner put a building in our way! :D
please play this again! I love it!
Fun fact, the best way to deal with the mess of pylons RFE had by the end is to localize power. Smaller energy production zones per city, which means you dont have to worry as much about power capacity. If you want, you can always connect them after to allow a sort of load balancing between cities.
Ever heard of Space station 13?
On the BYOND engine which is probably older than most people here and based off of internet explorer, don’t expect a lag free experience
It has an engineer job to build and repair the space station, and maintain and run the power generation
It also has a very robust atmospherics system with multiple gases and pipes, allowing for dumb stuff like preforming nuclear fusion in the vents
*honk*
Finally some TRUE engineering, and not the quasi-achitecturing you usually call engineering.
lol
Such a good new series for the RCE
Instantly got this game half way through this video. Been playing all night on the same map as you. This game gets so stressful when you've got 5 towns and an average MW draw of 250+. My networks are holding up but only just, I had an event that made me recharge my storage and it caused my main transfer lines from east to west to blow up repeatedly. I'm glad I had many redundant lines so while one was being repaired another could hold the power then itself explode lol
I recommend the following strategies:
• In cities, build lines in a grid pattern, then extend them beyond the city limits. This will keep future connections open. The last thing you want to happen is being unable to route power due to how the city develops in a way the prevents that.
• Consider Biomass Plant. Cheap operating cost, small NIMBY radius, and reasonable maintenance and ramp up time.
• Substations can be used for high and low-voltage lines to cross paths.
• First city tends to be the most power hungry of the entire map. Try to build one substation at each side.
• In company info, change profile to conservative. This will reduce chances of overloading.
Great playthrough Matt, Excited to see more!
I love how in this video RCe is also giving us real world engineering knowledge!😄
All Engineers (mechanical , electrical , civil ) are real . They are the best in their jobs . Only pain in the ass of every engineer alike are the bloody architects .
well for us mechanical engineers it's the industrial designers but same deal really :)
For chemical engineers it’s the chemists they have no clue how to work at scale.
Amen
Should totally do a mini series of this game! Love it.
Is there a second video? Would love to see more of this.
Man I loved this episode, especially when you started butchering the danish city names like that :D "J's" are soft in the danish language. If you want to pronounce Vejle a bit like a dane, you'd have to pronounce it like "Wayle"...ish. some of our E's and A's are weird especially for people who speak english :P Great episode, you made me buy the game ! :D
And I never thought that I'd see the day that Matt would play as an architect.
I loved your pronunciation of "Vejle", and even more that it's in the game 🤘 keep up the good work
"we have to make sure we don't miss the city being built, amateur mistake really" had me rolling
Aaaaand I bought it and spent like 6 hours straight on it 😂
Damn your RCE for indirectly stealing my weekend time!
Oh man, I need to get me this game! And no, electrical engineers are not engineers, they are monks that chant Ohm~
Some suggestions if I may, firstly, the capacity of any component, should be double the total demand, and at the same time, redundancy is key (at least 2 substations or transmission lines).
Also, arrange the transmission lines in a ring so 2 leave the power plant and connect to the city, so if 1 line goes down, the other still provides power, and because you always ensure it operates at half capacity, it should handle the power delivery while you do the repairs.
Lastly, I get that renewables are important, but diesel and gas generators are reliable. So diversify, maybe 30 to 70 ratio of fossil fuel to renewable power generation, it's cheaper and can supplement when problems happen (like the wind turbine problem).
From the layout of your grid by the end, I think we can say that you lived up to your title of Power Architect.
really enjoyed this and would love to see more of it
More of this game, please! As an electrician myself, this game is pretty accurate 😂 albeit with fewer electrical fires... 🤔
You mean fewer electrical fires in game or in real life xD
@@sewi014 I will not clarify this 🤣
@@Disarray91 I just hope there is a scene with the "helper" where they pop up random and yell "Zzzzzzt" you know, to get that real electrical service work experience!
I'm a software engineer.... And I think that we are just a myth
i'm also a software engineer. i feel like a plumber.
Software engineers unite! Just waiting to see Matt do a video trying to build new features on top of legacy code so he can proclaim that we are, in fact, engineers.
@@michaelgorman9752 My thinking exactly. You come and see my day job then ask if we're engineers or not!
I seem to remember from a documentary about power storage that the most costly time for power is after eastenders as everyone in the whole of the uk puts the kettle on for a cup of tea at the same time.
Hah! I'm a distribution designer - I work with the baby 4kV to 35kV networks. Which is not a sentence you ever expect to read, but transmission starts at 100kV and goes up from there.
Usually it's boring, but sometimes you wind up having to replace the power lines climbing a mountain, and you're pretty much making everything up as you go along. Maximum span lengths? What are those? Standard framing? More like a suggestion. Lots of fun when the budget is "yes" (Did you know utility poles can be set by helicopter? Now you do!).
Engineers are the best!! I’ve always wanted to become an engineer later down in life.
the 'ej' in Vejle and Mejeriby is pronounced 'eye'. 'Mejeriby' basically means Dairy Ville, as in there's a dairy factory in this city. I don't know about Bodholt though, I think the area that is now Bording used to be called Bodholt. Definitely pronounced with a soft 'd', so good luck with that.
Other than that it was cool how the game had actual facts about Denmark with hygge, wind-turbines and limited restaurant-visits.
Are you from Denmark couse if so me to
@@micbicteeth2355 yep, hvor er du fra?
jeg er fra Holstebro-egnen i Vestjylland.
@@JunesGo jeg er fra Horsens-egnen
@@micbicteeth2355 ok, så alt andet lige har du mere kendskab til Vejle end jeg har?
Har du et bedre bud på hvad Bodholt skulle forestille at være?
Er der et sted der hedder sådan eller er det bare noget der lyder som en dansk landsby?
@@JunesGo egentlig ikke men man kunne prøve og google det
Would love to see a series out of this game!
You had one generation grid trying to feed to three different areas. Should have had separate generation for each area, with each area having separate lines feeding to central battery storage, with lines for each area for discharge. This way each can operate separately but be interlinked to support each other.
To know if electrical engineers are real engineers, you must ask this question: Would you need a tutorial on how to be an architect?
They don’t do beautiful things but they use engineering to connect powers so they are :)
this channel always seems to have the games that i want to find and enjoy (tbh I would have been a computer engineer if there wasn't so much theory involved.)
My dad used to be an electrical engineer until he got so much knowledge that they had to upgrade him to prototype engineer he went from fixing computers to engineering things like steam cannons variable liquid flow channels better wind mills and making his own computers
The age old question. I would be tempted to say no, but we're reliant on them to control the black magic that is any electrical circuit other than a battery with few resistors, so we must reluctantly acceed to their accreditation as engineers.
-An Aerospace Engineer
As a fellow Civil Engineer, I've always felt that EEs deserved the title "Wizard" or "Witch" instead of "Engineer".
Please more videos of this game, Matt - loving it!
Ok, I'm a year late - but I am shocked that Matt never noticed the "strongest shape" in the demo @ 0:33 and the close up at 0:58 for good measure LOL
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I would love to see this as a new series or on a stream or two
You should take a look at your grid and try to determine the bisection number, i. e. how many lines at minimum do you need to cut until your network is split in two separate parts? In a good network, the number is greater than 3, in an okay network, the number is 2, in a bad network, the number is 1. When the power line to you molten salt farms melts, you have a bisection event - that's going to cause you some trouble.
Love the game though, such a great mixture of realism and gameplay mechanics, cartoonish and simplified rules, yet complex enough at its core.
Especially in later stages. If done improperly, explosions everywhere.
If you play more of this I'd recommend diversifying the types of energy generation you have.
Even the advanced tutorial recommends that.
Would love to see a series with this!
I’d love to see more of this!
I work on the maintenance side of this and rather surprised how much they included in the game like line loss and such.
The trick to this game is to get cities surrounded by substations early on before they grow too big
And not concentrate baseload power plants on one location.
Wind in denmark is always high most on the year. But when we reach a good summer.... Hot and no wind at all :D
This game looks awesome! I'm definitely going to try it out. And RCE, please tell me you do this intentionally. Not running the numbers? Building way too much storage? Spending all your liquid capital and not leaving anything for emergencies? Spending like an architect. :P
Would be great to see Matt try to stay with renewables on the hard levels
2:14 shout out to whatever dev decided to have a "building falls comically fast from the sky" animation. :P
Here’s a simple tip:
Connect the power to the storage.
Connect the storage to the substation.
In my save, depending on where the next city will spawn, I can power 3 cities using 1 storage.
If you're lucky those three sharing one substation too.
please make more videos of this game. i want to see some advanced multi city networks later in the game
I really enjoyed this video and would like to see more gameplay of this game.
you should really make this a series
I played today (it was just a couple of bucks) and they have a leaderboard.
My only gripe with it is that the top “scores” appear, to me, to have been hacked.
14:32 connecting a line to another line like this is a big no no... 😅😭
I’ll buy this game as soon as they sponsor you
(Update) I couldn’t wait that long for a sponsor vid so I went ahead and bought it and had a blast I was a lineman for a year so I was super intrigued by the game I told the devs in their discord they should support you it would mean a lot
Certainly interesting the amount of details going through it. Never thought that doing electricity for a town can be made into a game. Working with architects can be rather annoying. I am a cast stone drafter. I engineer the stone on buildings. They give me plans with bad to no info and say they needed it done yesterday.
And some plans make you wonder how that is even remotely possible. Cantilever structures are engineers' most hated designs.
i think the issue you were having was not seperating the networks enough. may be have a line of power running both sides of the backup power and don't connect mid way.
when RCE read the part about Danes loosing power, I was nodding and thinking that was right. If Danes (Being one myself) loose power, the first hour we just hygge with some candles, and company. But after that we start to tap our feet and begin to bother the electricity company t get it sorted. So the 1 free hour downtime is true^^
A lot of perks of each map have some truths in it. Say, Phoenix having higher residential demand due to air-conditioning.
i have this game too and i got beamboozeld by one of the towns expanding into one of my power generators leading me to not being able to connect anyorme and put storages there
My husband is an electrical engineer 😂 (offshore high voltage). He’s also in the fire team there. There were 2 explosions in a year, caused by mechanical engineers doing work without communicating to the electrical team (so they didn’t know to isolate sections).