Everybody Still Hates Battlefield - Inside Games
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BF1 is still one of my favourite large scale games. Being top of the charts with zero kills and 60 revives as a medic will always be a cherished gaming memory.
Battlefield 1 rocked so hard. If you had a good medic squad it could change the tide of the game. Plus the maps were really well laid out. I can't remember which one it was, but it was that Italian one in the hills with the turret buildings
Battlefield 1 was soooo balanced without the DLC. Class are limited to certain weapons that balance their class. Jesus that game was the definition of the same game as the trailer reveal.
bf1 just got reviewed back from the grave, dice added new patch with modern anticheat which makes the game playable again without blatant hackers flying over the map and instakilling everything that moves.
I loved the Mondragon, I could get 50 kills a match with that thing.
@@noahharrington8883Monte Grappa! I was amazing at using those turrets. I loved being a medic too. I wish more people would play it. The sound and action really made it all feel chaotic.
I'm not mad at battlefield, I'm just disappointed...
Extremely 😢
And the disappointment keeps going too.
The most parent sounding scolding, one could produce! 😂
They won't do this but for the love of god bring back actual community run and owned servers that can run their own scripts. Battlefield on PC died after BF4 because DICE gave in to EA's "rent a server" model where customers have at best a few customization options on a corporate lobby. The large PC community that built battlefield kept the flame burning from BF1942 all the way to BF4 by operating truly private servers that had effective anti-cheat measures designed by and enforced by fans. If DICE wants viral videos for the next battlefield, bring back private servers where users can run their own gamemodes, anti-cheat and administration.
Server browser was everything.
“Hello Fresh” is what I say to myself every time I see Lawrence’s hair
He’s going full Link Neal
Battlefield needs to remember battlefield 2, bad company, bad company 2, battle field 3 &4 .
Ziplines Grable hooks to climb up stuff that are toools!! Equipment. Not hero perks. Only classes. No fking heros please. Leave that for Garden warfare pvz
No wingsuits neither, that shit just doesn't belong in bf
@@nickysimi9866 omg please, i hate wingsuits honestly they are bad in games,
@MYyGUN I don't mind them in games that suit them, battlefield is not one of them though. I'm hoping this game is good
@@nickysimi9866 i go back to just cause and just cause2 because i hate wingsuits, 3 & 4 ruined them for me, then saints row reboot happen, where you have magic powers and spawn a wingsuit out of your body?
@@MYyGUNi don't see why it's bad in Just Cause 3. It improves the gameplay and map traversal.
it’s so nice seeing BF4 and BF3 being recognized for the gems they truly were
They were awful launches. My God people were slagging them. It took years until they were actually playable. This is how I know people are stupid. Or amnesiacs.
@@chemicalhapThe difference is that BF3 and BF4 were games that people actually wanted to play. When they were fixed they became the most beloved games in the franchise. 2042 was such a repulsive game that the server issues solved themselves because everyone left and didn’t come back.
@@chemicalhap bf3 had a lot of bugs and glitches but it worked at launch. BF4 didnt get good until the fixed the multiplayer servers a year after launch
@@jesse76th96 I never had every issues with servers at launch or at all 😂 Afew glitches but I feel as if they got fixed very quickly
Ignore all the issues that it launched with. That’s not the problem with the game I think it is a fundamental issue with how the game was made….Because Battlefield 2042 was designed in massive maps it’s always felt super clunky when traversing around the map… even when playing different modes with smaller maps when traveling from point to point by the time you get to wherever you’re going from where you started it feels like you’ve ran a marathon and are exhausted…. Also, when engaging opponents, It feels like the distance you were engaging at is significantly further than that of Battlefield four due to the maps feeling massive….. to sum it all up It feels like 2042 is full of players, but empty at the same time and doesn’t have what I would call a true battlefield soul.
I’m just glad that Bruce pointed out the terrible launch condition of battlefield four and three. Everyone acts like it never happened, but it’s literally a thing for every battlefield release.
Bf1 was pretty stable at launch. It mostly balance issues
@@sirjarko8762 For sure. BF1 was definitely an exception. Which is why BF5 hurt even more. Lol
I still remember stretchy head man
Except battlefield 3/4 didnt completely gut the baseline systems that made a battlefield game...battlefield. I see this comparison being drawn: "every battlefield game had ossues at launch" a$ if to say 2042 shares the problems those older games had. They had those and several more due to deliberate design decisions that broke the actual gameplay. Because even with the issues 3/4 were AT THEIR CORE good battle field games in every other aspect.
2042 completely ditched class identity and had horrible maps two things critical to how people PLAY the game. You didnt have a scoreboard, you couldnt tell what character was a medic/support/engineer/enemy/ally etc bc anyone could run almost any combo of hero with Any kind of kit. All of the poor design decisions of 2042 stand out clearly comapred to the older games because Maps were and still are wide open shooting galleries and the heroes make identifying enemy and friendly players more difficult than it has to be in a masive big team pvp game.
No, we dont. Those games were ruff at launch, but they were battlefield games at their core and ended up being the best in the franchise.
bruce is right on the levelution thing. some of my best memories in bf are the levelutions. The skyscaper, the flood, and the zepplin are all ones that stand out because they were spectacular
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I jumped into Battlefield around Bad Company 2 days, when that demo release on Xbox 360, it was legendary. I played that demo and that 1 map more than some games. From BC2 to BF3, BF4 - it was all legendary good times but always with some baffling decisions around each game that kind of dampened the long-term success of the game.
BC2 - still one of the best in the series. Well balanced and fun. Legendary map design.
BF3 - you could rent console servers, setting custom rotations of maps etc, rules etc etc. However EA for some reason made that custom map rotations were not able to be Ranked, which basically neutered any creativity or interesting settings you could have. You'd basically pay 30/$ month to run EA's playlists if you wanted your servers to be Ranked (aka earned progression XP and stat tracking). You also couldn't mix DLC and vanilla maps, so nobody played DLC maps for the most part.
BF4 - launch was a total technical disaster but core game was fine. At launch, levelution events on certain maps crashed the server and kicked everyone out. On consoles, half the sounds were missing on certain maps as well. In BF4, i had a very active clan of 50+ players, we had our servers, logos, etc etc. BF1 killed all of that and BF5/2142 kept everyone away from the franchise for almost a decade now.
I stopped playing around BF1 because I really didn't care for WW1 setup. BF5 was once again, not what people asked for. And well, 2142 tried to please everyone and no one at same time. 2142 had the Vault stuff with remastered maps and weapons, and they should have leaned into that big time, to bring old school players back... but it was too little too late. The series veterans weren't quite there.
I hope EA stops ignoring the battlefield vets as they have for the last 3 games, trying to chase trends. Battlefield was always its own thing.
I don't recall there being any issues with Battlefield 1's launch.
Me neither, at least I never experienced any.
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@@thebigsam Wow how do you fit all 200 IQ points inside your comically small head?
Only some minor graphics bugs.
I remember bf4 launch I was in like 10th or 11th grade and it took about a year and some change before it was "fixed". My time frame might be off but im ptetty sure it was longer than a year. But once it was fixed it was perfect to me, so many hours with my buddy in the 2 seater attack choppers.
"Good out of the gate" Battlefield 1 had a lot of quality of life improvements that were desperately needed. And even to this day Battlefield 1 is still being played. I just played a few rounds last night!
After Andrew Wilson's AI talk I have zero hope for anything coming from EA ever again.
Being a battlefield player is like being in a toxic off and on relationship, and now shes saying shes gone to therapy and wont hurt me again, I want to believe so bad 😭
Bad Company 2 was thoroughly good. I have 500 hours in it, the multiplayer was addicting, longshot sniping was satisfying.
i too got forked for 125$ For the premium edition only to barely play it, im talking 25hrs MAX between years of deleting the game and coming back later to check after one of those "Battlefield IS BACK" or "Battlefield 2042 is BETTER THAN EVER" articles, to this very day it is THE worst pre-order i have bought, and I've been trough the ringer.
BF3 and BF4 were might still be my most played games ever; I truly hope this is a faithful return to that era of battlefield, with its destruction, fun modes, custom servers, and actually good maps. If it is there's no doubt I'll sink way more hours into it than I should (just hopefully no big problems at launch like those two had).
The concept art 100% looks like here in Gibraltar with the view across the bay to Spain
Not Bad Company 3. Not 2143. This is even more frustrating than Sony blueballing us on a Bloodborne Remaster. It's the most obvious move in both scenarios and both companies are allergic to pulling the trigger.
At least with bloodborn, we know fromsoftware have been busy doing stuff. But dice..... damn. They are either blind or stupid or both.
@@dalveal01 Sony is the rightsholder for Bloodborne, so it's not From's quarry anyways. Bluepoint or Nixxes would be the ones to do a remaster. However, Bluepoint is being granted the opportunity to make an original IP now, and I'll choose competent developers getting to do what they want to do over me being able to play a better version of an old game any day.
BF2142 was mint.
But the whole "story" of the game is that they've basically lost the war, and all the titans were more or less destroyed. So a BF-2141 of just titan wars happening would be amazing.
Boycotting each and every single fucking Battlefield game until we FINALLY get Bad Company 3
@@DJPUPPETMASTER-RESURRECTED- I don’t talk about it but if the powers that be are listening; I didnt buy 2142, V, or 1. So… Bad Company 3 is gonna be the thing that gets me back into it. And it was my first BF multiplayer game so cmon EA, let Dice do what they want.
“This game is being made by 4 developers” is a red flag bigger than a football field
BF peaked with BF 3 which is THIRTEEN YEARS OLD
Vince Zampella has been the showrunner for Battlefield since 2021? Wow, I had no idea
Battlefield 3 gameplay with grounded, brutal Battlefield One combat. Give me a modern military shooter that is brutal. When my ally gets shot next to me I want to hear the guttural scream of “AH F*CK I’M HIT.” I want the explosions to drown out my simulated hearing for a second or two. The game is rated M already, so just give us some light gore like CoD WAW. And give us proximity chat like BattleBit Remastered.
Battlefield Hardline is the movement system we wanted for all games going forward.
Add in the bf5 building features with a modern era and movement from bf5, keep in where you can res your squadmates and only medic can res not squadmates.
Mass destruction,naval combat, diving under water again and good easter eggs like the megalodon.
2142 attacking the titans was amazing for it time.we need something cool like that ideas
and hotwire from hardline
DICE is a company in name only. The original team is long gone. Don’t dream, it’s over. Took me a while to accept the franchise has been dead and buried.
BAD COMPANY 2 is the reason we have a core BF audience!! GOATED
Bruce is COOKING when he talked about Levolution coming back. I remember when BF4's trailer dropped and showed the Shanghai building collapsing and being ecstatic. So hyped to play it and it was as cool as I'd hoped it'd be. It would be great if they brought that back but upped the ante somehow. Making every building 100% destroyable or something.
The BF1 dreadnaught vehicles were cool as well but that is much more suited for BF1 and BF1 only.
5000+ hours of BF4 here Bruce! OH i remember but personally i kinda forgive the launch in Part by HOW MUCH CONTENT we got CONSISTENTLY even with these problems being worked on. We got 5 DLC packs with 4 maps EACH a new set of guns for EACH class, a new set of Vehicles and Gadgets. In comparison to 2042 it was straight robbery, a Battlepass with a fraction of the content that would come in a single DLC pack and EACH SEASON CAME WITH ONE MAP THAT WAS DELAYED WTF IS THAT SHIT
Not buying anything from them for another 5 years if there even still a thing
Agree
The one thing i will always knock BF4 for not having is a Co-Op mode because i LOVED BF3 Co-Op mode so goddamn much those late night with my best friend are cherished memory getting all the achievements for that mode
I saw an interview with Dice that said they literally had no idea why people liked Bad company 2 so much. Pretty much wrote off the series after unlocks in 4 were all from loot boxes...
All of the unlocks in 4 that actually made a difference, eg. weapons/attachments, were unlocked through playing the class more, using the weapon more, or completing special assignments. The only unlocks you got from loot boxes were skins and visually different (identical stats) attachments.
That's because they're incompetent asf,I hope and pray to God with all my heart,soul and each and every single fibre of my being possible that they finally get shut down by EA,I really do,Fucking hate them with a burning fucking passion
@@Z4Zman This, and I'm pretty sure by 500 kills you'd have everything for the gun unlocked. Seems like a lot but most of the stuff after 100 or 150 kills (iirc) was just other factions' attachments (like suppressors) that functioned the same like you said. And XP bonuses.
2042 still refuses to work on any of the computers in my house. Still getting massive lock-ups on controls that existed in the BETA. What a shame.
Just wanted to say thank you! Your last video about Playstation finally made me pull the trigger on buying a PC! It is nothing crazy, but could be more excited!! :)
As a casual Battlefield player who only started playing the various games a few years ago. Every other game I wonder why they didn't keep doing Levelution. It is so cool.
Games reacting to players actions is inherently and objectively fun part of games and we don't see it enough aside from - enemy get hit - fall over
64 players, modern setting, good maps, good weapon/vehicle selection, classic class system, destructible environment, good atmosphere
All the necessary ingredients to a good Battlefield game
The original community hated how small scale combatwas and limited the vehicle combat in bad company 1 and 2 was. And now we have people glorifying it? What. The. Hell?
The main issue with battlefield 2042 is the foundation was set originally to be a battle royal then last minute said oh nevermind lets make it a battlefield game and u gotta understand at that point all the old battlefield devs left after battlefield 5 got canned so its basically a whole new dice then EA hired the director of battlefield 3 and 4 and fired the 2042 director.
Battlefield 4 was wild for me. I dropped the $150 for the ultimate, ended up absolutely hating it and left the game for nearly 2 years. I eventually returned and the game was incredible and I had 90+ briefcases (loot boxes) to open up so that was kind of a nice bonus. I guess I'm also just stumped on how they didn't end up going with Bad Company as their flagship Battlefield game. Edit: Calling it now, the gimmick for the new Battlefield is an A.I. commander that "learns" and reinforces the battlefield by giving players on the fly objectives/dropping off vehicles.
Too many studios are working on the game, which is a warning sign
Why do they need so many people working on the game, when Battlefield 3 and Battlefield 4 were probably developed with a lot fewer people?
This is a big problem in the industry at the moment
Quite true. It can get pretty difficult to manage tons of people at the same time. Sure there's tons of resources but it gets chaotic.
With a handful of them, things are alot more organized, but less budget.
@@thebigsam The game does not need to be bigger in scope.
Battlefield 3 and 4 had the right scope. What more can you do with a Battlefield game?
I think they need to try battlefield portal again. Imagine having most of (If not, all) the assets of the previous battlefield games put into a map and game mode editor thats available for the community to use. Forget publishing map packs, literally just give the community the tools to make maps and game modes themselves like Forge from halo or the Far Cry map editors. Even if its not there at launch, I'd gladly buy the next battlefield game for that one feature alone.
It’d be great if they didn’t just scrap all the good ideas in the games that followed BF4 too. BF1’s operations & frontlines game modes & the atmospheric & theatrical maps, BFV’s player movement systems & the fortification building to name a few.
When is the last time EA launched a multiplayer-priority game that worked at launch? Feel like every sport game is broken at the start as well.. But they still want our money for microtransactions.
I don’t care about Battlefield or any war games for that matter. I just like hearing you two talk about video games. Keep up the good work.
1:53 I hope they understand that it's less about it being placed in modern day and more about, well, everything else
Lawrence's hair somehow gets fuller and stronger as he ages. Like a saiyan
BF4 had a bad launch yes, but it was technical problems that they fixed with time, the core BF experience was there and it had a great campaign to play. After fixing the technical issues, they went on to release heaps of awesome content + they even gave us fun easter egg content like the Megalodon, bipod knife and Phantom Project on top. So of course it's now considered by fans as one of the best of the series.
2042 not only had a horrible launch technically with bugs, crashes, server issues etc, but even when it worked the core BF gameplay experience had been drastically changed and basic features (sorry i mean "legacy features") were entirely missing. By the time they had fixed some (not all - mouse input is still trash) technical issues, re-add in removed "legacy features", rework all the launch maps because they were so bad - they had basically wasted the entire games lifecycle making it into what it should have been at launch instead of allocating the time or resources to post launch content like BF4 had. Meanwhile they dropped 1 map per season with the sneaky "TWO NEW" maps in the last season that every called them out for. The content drought was so bad in the end they had to cheat by adding in weapons and maps from Portal to beef it up. Oh and no Campaign, Hazard Zone was dropped entirely and Portal had nothing added to it post launch.
To me Battlefield 4 was just Battlefield 3 but better. I was kinda hoping things were just gonna keep going in that direction. Battlefield 5 would just be an improvement on Battlefield 4, heck even the engine running the game was improving. We went from Frostbite 1 for BC2, then 2 for BF3, then 3 for BF4. So I was excited to see where it was all gonna go from there...until hardline came along. But after learning about DICE's early "Urban Combat" project that was canceled before they ultimately decided to work on BF1942, I can kinda see why they made Hardline. So to me it was just an homage to an early Battlefield prototype...so when are we gonna go back to military stuff??
I thought Battlefield 1 was cool when it first launched but I was still inching for another modern military shooter. I honestly kinda hated BF1 after while. It was cool but to me this just wasn't Battlefield, but was more like a WW1 mod for a Battlefield-esk game. Like yeah sure it looks cool, the visuals do such a good job at capturing the grittiness and almost hell-like landscape of WW1, but I don't like what they did to the class system and also I really don't like being sniped across the map. The vehicles in Battlefield 1 also kinda ruined it for me. I feel like the compromises they made to try and fit Battlefield into the WW1 is what made it feel so distant from what I used to play when I was kid. Then when Battlefield V was announced and when I heard half the fucking crowd at E3 moan and groan over Battle Royale being announced last minute like Woody from Toy Story telling everyone that Andy's brithday party was moved to today so fucking nonchalantly, I knew it was over. 2042 was just the final nail in the coffin, not for the series, but for me knowing that these people just have no idea what makes a good Battlefield game. I believe it was Gabe Newell that said "Late is for a little bit, suck is forever."
I think its fucking hilarious that so many studios are working on this new game. Like fucking EA trying to solve a fucking murder, like Jesus Christ how hard is it to not fuck up. I understand that all the veterans of DICE have moved on to work on other projects like The Finals which draws heavy influence from Battlefield, especially in the destruction. But goddamn you let these new guys fuck up so bad that they need multiple studios to piece this game together like a fucking monster. Lets just hope they end up putting together Robocop rather than The Frankenstein Monster...
To me...I'm still waiting for Battlefield 5...the one that I imagined from when I was a kid...
I have drank the Battlefield Kool Aide since its inception. So consider myself a BF FB (Battlefield FanBoi) and have played for approx. 2400+ hours per release after tolerating and patiently waiting for them to fix each launch fiasco, then purchased the full Monty 2042, and literally refunded within an hour.
I don't hate Battlefield, I hate game studio execs who disrespect consumers and FanBois and release broken/flawed products.
DICE's Battlefront 2 still disappoints me to this day. The game actually worked, the graphics were amazing, and gameplay was phenomenal. But the star cards man, and those damn microtransactions and the controversy killed what it could have been. They realized they couldn't justify 80 hours of grinding to unlock Darth Vader to the player, and forcing them into microtransactions for each character didn't work. So they removed the transactions but the star card leveling system that was left behind was broken but the devs had no option but to go with it because the old microtransaction system was so engrained into how the game worked. Fuck star cards, me and all my homies hate star cards
They can just re-release BF3 without any changes and it would still be more enjoyable and better looking than most AAA games out there. BF3 was the peak.
I remember Battlefield 4. My first game I ever pre-ordered. Boy howdy that made me think twice about ever doing it again. 2 months! 2 MONTHS before the game was playable without dropped lobbies and rag doll glitches that kept people from respawning. Funny at launch, absolutely enraging after a week of trying to play the game that was my first “lifestyle” game like today’s Fortnite. Lost hope with Dice after Hardline and the huge missed opportunity that Battlefront 1. I fully passed on Battlefront 2 because of it.
Wanted to comment this one for you lads. Played BF3/4 as a teen, BF:Hardline as a older teen, BF1 as an young adult, and BFV, and after playing 2042, it's been incredibly down hill. Bottom of the barrel, the game only got away with whatever it did because of all the previous Devs success, BF3/4 was the pinnacle and wasn't a gimmick, it made emphasis on an evolving battlefield, either a gas main exploding to unlock underground, the toppling of buildings, flooding of cities, or even ice breaking creating a water map.
I want to note before my rant: DICE Devs we remember are gone. Those people who made the game so enjoyable, who worked out the bugs and made the game so much more playable for the community, even with how gamebreaking the netcode was, they made the game fantastic, even going beyond and giving us the final days of their unreleased maps, just that little bit of polish with the Ghost protocol, loved it; But those Devs are gone, and these new ones picking up the mantle? No Love, trying to capture a long lost experience so many of us loved, but failed, when did I see a fall? Honestly late into development, specifically: Thermal Scopes, they give infinite highlighting of enemies in the game, it renders stealth impossible, which flanking is a huge deal, and while that's only part of the gameplay and game sense, it's a huge problem in my eyes.
I've played 2042 top to bottom because I paid for the ultimate edition, and know what? I regret it, I played all the seasons I paid for, got as much of my money back with time spent, and I still don't like 2042, I think I finally stopped this year since it's finally hit dead water in the experience. While BF:H broke away, I could enjoy it still, BF1 was a departure and I had gripes about QoL, and BFV was a slight return to form but rampant with cheaters it was gross (I did my research), with 2042 having really ruined me in the FPS genre, I've nearly stopped.
I think the Hype train will still hook many people, and DICE w
2142 Was the best Battlefield of all time, IMO. I loved the gunships and Titans. I would love to see a return to that form with modern systems.
"Bf3 and Bf4 were modern, unlike Bf2042! That's the issue with the franchise and what everyone liked about those older games!"
-Some CEO on coke at EA
I'm super jaded with Dice and EA, at this point I'm not sure they are capable of pulling off a half decent battlefield game after the disappointment from 2042 and battlefield 5. Even if we assume that they are now listening to their fans finally. Definitely not holding my breath for this one
The saddest thing is that we won't get battlefield friend anymore
I remember the BF3 launch as totally fine, but then I played it on Playstation, and DICE had practised coding in the Frostbite engine on console, since the first Battlefield: Bad Company game.
(That's actually when I switched to console. When they didn't release BF:BC on PC, I bought my PS3. Now I stay on console because that's where I know people. Also, there is substantially less cheating there.)
I still think battlefield 1 is one of the most thrilling fps multiplayer games I ever played. The game was also visually stunning
Bc2/bf3/bf4 setting and weapons/vehicles lists.
Bf1 immersion.
Bf5 fortification building and crouch sprint.
2042 portal mode and plus system.
All that along with a good system of destruction for most if not all structures and if they want a fancy set piece that can only be destroyed a particular way like things on bf4 throw in a few. I also propose a squad limit increase to 5 perhaps even 6. I'm not opposed to a battlefield battle royale if it's done correctly as that would be the thing to have ftp just to draw a crowd.
I see a lot of people online being optimistic and I'm personally liking what EA and Dice have been saying about the new BF
I said it the same time he did "what about battlefield 2"? Battlefieldfield 3 is my top favorite, but something about 2 that just did something right
Thank god the dropping specialist and 128 was completely dumb. It’s not like the old DICE didn’t say they couldn’t do larger but that it wouldn’t be fun. Seems like pragmatic seasoned vet developers were long gone.
"We want it to be good out of the gate". Is that a serious, word-for-word quote?? Just goes to show how fucking empty minded these studios figure us to be. Yet I can't say they're wrong when this shit still turns a profit. Honestly, Battlefield fans deserve it at this point.
The other reason why specialists was dumb it broke immersion because unless we got cloning it makes no sense why so many of the same people existed in battle and they couldn’t kill them in cinematic because then how they alive in the game? The old style with faceless soldiers covered the idea of you just being dropped in constantly as REINFORCEMENTS
Bad Company even old DICE didn’t grasp why it was so successful 😂
DESTRUCTION! DESTRUCTION! DESTRUCTION! Don’t let The Finals out destruction the Daddy of Destruction. Even if it means smaller scale maps with emphasis on PVP/Rush modes with less players. Give us explosions. Give us consequences and the ability to change gameplay and the map with these beautiful destructive sculpting tools even if it means leveling the whole damn thing. Bad Company 2 will always be my favorite shooter.
While I respect Bruce’s opinion as a fellow Battlefield fiend, I disagree on the point that the franchise needs a F2P system. The first issue is the current landscape of live service games for any newcomer is very difficult. For one Helldivers 2, you have Concord, Marvel Avengers, SS Kill the Justice League, Redfall with many other examples that have a hard time breaking into that market. For a myriad of reasons but the most important one is that the established titles like Fortnite and Warzone, who are competitors in the shooter genre, already have much of the market covered. It would be extremely difficult for EA and DICE to have an actual impact on that market.
I would also like to put Warzone into some context, because its success was huge but it benefited from a few things. One was that the battle royale genre was reaching an incredible peak, with Fortnite, PUBG a few years before, Apex Legends just a year before boasting huge player counts. Call of Duty had competition but it was not as saturated as it is today. Then there’s also a bit of luck from the circumstances in which Warzone debut, the pandemic. Lockdown made it easy for people to pick up Warzone because it was a new BR by a big studio and people had a lot of time to sink in hours of play. That is not true today, where there are only so many live service games that people will have time to spend playing these games.
I will also add that there was several attempts from BF to introduce BR and borrow ideas from Tarkov but ultimately failed. The community didn’t gravitate to those ideas despite BF’s BR being a decent attempt. BF is a huge franchise but there’s a lot of scars from the past that would make it a difficult sell to players.
I’m not saying it would be impossible because some games have done it well. They just need to be extremely careful because this franchise is the need of a lifeline. Hopefully I made some sense, love the vids.
Sorry but everything EA is saying about the next battlefield is almost word for word what they said about 2042 and bf5 prior to launch. I will NEVER pre-order another BF game. Didn't even buy the last two just played a few hours of 2042 a year after launch on EA Play.
2042 was meant to be like Fortnite hence the specialists, dumb skins, and huge empty map. Then pivoting less than a year from release to try to make it a normal battlefield game is why this game felt different. This isn't the team that gave us BC2 and BF3 back to back. They're long gone so I don't trust anything until I can play it
My biggest beef with the battlefield franchise over the last few years has been mediocre map design. They need to bring back city maps and for the first time in the series give us good American maps.
More Destruction, Yes. Levolution, No. Levolution rendered maps to flat terrain with no cover for anything tactical and was way too easy to meet those conditions. Besides, all of what BF2042's verion of it now (wild weather conditions) stemmed from the ever increasing focus on destruction set pieces, rather than letting the players cause the destruction.
it just goes to show how much we love Battlefield, just like a bad girlfriend, we love her but damn is she really bad, but we keep coming back.
im tired of publishers trying to make the most ambitious game ever. 4 developers could be 4 individual games jesus christ
Bit disappointed they aren't trying 128 players again. The maps in 2042 were just so terrible it hurt the perception of 128.
They figured it out with Battlefield 1 And promptly forgot everything for the last two.
Took months for BF4 to be playable. The game would delete your progress constantly and fail to join servers.
Been burned so many fucking times by this franchise. Don't expect anything from this franchise just wait for REAL reviews, gameplay, actually being able to demo the game for yourself, and do NOT preorder.
EA cannot see the silver platter that the BF franchise is...idk how they completely missed the mark so many times but they have.
Genuinely one of my favorite shows on RUclips.
I think 2042 was particularly rough because a lot of people hated 5. When 4 was turd, everyone just went back to 3 cuz everyone liked 3
Everyone forgets BF3 was mostly unplayable for 3 months because EA refused to fix the underbarrel shotgun bug.
@@NeightrixPrimedid that crash servers?
Battlefield 2 was the game that really brought battlefield in competition with the COD juggernaut. Battlefield attempted to switch to compete directly but the core gameplay of BF2 and then improve on it with BF3 was peak battlefield.
How can they improve?
I really think they can manage the macro systems of the game. Planes and helicopters were always incredibly strong, a good pilot can own the entire server.
With such a massive battleground, mobility is important and spending 15 minutes running around before you get melted by someone, was not fun
Something that is potentially going to be new for the Battlefield franchise, and will be interesting to see play out, is the competition posed by Delta Force. I haven't played it but from everything I've seen and heard, it's classic Battlefield, it looks great, it plays well, and it's free. So it'll be interesting to see how DICE and EA respond to that with this new game. Can they get away with going back to "classic" BF after Delta Force has already done that? We'll see.
i gave up on Battlefield when they said they're never gonna make a game like Bad Company ever again
Battlefield 1 was my last battlefield game. It was clear 5 was a trend chaser and it didn’t set it self apart from what was out there. The BR genre was so popular at the time that they struggled to find an appeal. Mixed with other controversial stuff 5 did. It sucks cause I was a battlefield kid growing up always telling my friend how great. Bad Company 2 is and Battlefield 3. And then finally everyone I knew played battlefield 4 and it was crap at launch… shocker.
Classic Battlefield gameplay with destruction similar to The Finals would be perfect
My experience with 2042 was pretty positive but I skipped the entire first year. Played the beta which was broken and didn't buy it at launch. Waited for the complaints to die down and then played it for like 300 hours through game pass. These big companies use the early access model but aren't up front about it. People would probably have more patience if companies would admit they are basically releasing these huge franchises with an early access style of model but then people would expect to pay less money and that can't happen.
Battlefield 4 levelution was phenomenal, paired with the decent amount of other destruction it made for the best game in the series IMO
"battlefield traditionally launches in bad shape"
bad launches: bf3, bf4 and bf2042.
fine launches: bfbc2, bf1, bf5, bf hardline.
just call it a mixed bag.
I think they need to avoid copying what CoD does because they just cant compete with Warzone. I want them to focus on making a good battlefield game instead of another copy of whats popular. Firestorm and Hazard zone pretty much just died and it seems like it stretched their devs because they just stopped supporting these modes. Same thing with Portal, which was probably their best new implentation that was again just ignored. Just make the multiplayer/single player campaign good and keep the focus there. If this game becomes another 2042 I don't see a bright future for the Battlefield franchise
yknow i know bf4 gets a lot of hate because of its launch but its one of my fav fps’s ever. I only ever got to play the xbox one version so i never saw its initial launch disaster, at least not from what i remember. I had an amazing time on the game with plenty of friends.
They need to stay away from modern monetization schemes like the Battle Pass that are packed with useless trash like skins, emotes & stickers. Battlefield 2, BC2 & 3-4 were successful without all that filler, Honestly I'd like to see Battlefield Premium return, Premium was actually packed with real content.
Bruce is 100% right! BF4 was the worst, but man didn't 2042 try...
Bad Company was a fun fun game BF from 4 onwards became really sterile. Bring back destruction and include things like the hardline destruction that changes the map
To this day some of my favorite videos are you guys playing 2042 with fooya. Pure gold......
I totally agree about the BF4 launch. It was a shambles. It wasn't even possible to get on the servers for a while. Seriously worse than BF 2042.
I hope Concord will be a good lessens for devs that hero shooters are not popular anymore
People hate battlefield because they love the battlefield they fell in love with
Jesus i remember the bf4 beta netcode. Dying 20ft behind a wall. Good times, good times. Still my favorite BF game but damn was the beta rough.
I'll say this to wrap it all up in 1 sentence ... Gamers can never be happy with anything gaming, literally anything. Thanks for tuning in guys, make sure you hit that like button and see you at the next video 👍🏼....😐
Extra national forces would blow. I always loved being in a major faction. USA, RUSSSIA, CHINA, and the eu.
This is a cycle of dev getting greedy and desperate, dev getting absorbed, and everyone but upper management getting the shaft. I'm not interested whatsoever in this other than to watch a slowly moving trainwreck
Test of an American product is to engineer something barely viable, cash out, and fuck off