Modern Gaming Is Becoming More and More Isolated
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- If you grew up playing online games during the late 2000s especially on console you are a lucky person. Experiencing the growth of things like Xbox live and even PlayStation online was a very special time and honestly something if you missed out on cannot really be replicated. While you will find plenty of clips from that time of people harassing each other in a cod pre game lobby, there was also a whole other side of gaming where people literally just made friends in game chat.
Almost everyone at that time used their crappy free xbox headset and it made online games feel…well alive, compare this to today where between party chats, discords and people who don’t bother plugging in a mic, online gaming has become a surprisingly lonely experience.
Take any multiplayer game today, launch it up and do a test, most lobbies will have nobody talking in them or at best 1 or two other people. Sure there are exceptions to this as some games have retained slightly more life in them then others, but for the most part multiplayer gaming can almost be a single player experience in modern gaming. Sure you are technically playing against real people, but without that level of social interaction is it really much different than facing an advanced bot? Obviously there is someone on the other side of that death screen or kill cam however at the end of the day how much of a difference does that really make? Some games even fill lobbies using bots disguised as real players too to make the waters even muddier.
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Can you name all the games I included footage of? :)
"Mario Kart Wii"
Halo 3
Apex, destiny 2
Only the best one. Cod 3.
Cs go . Halo . Left 4 dead .cod .day of defeat. Apex. Destiny. Battlefield. World of warcraft
Dissolving lobbies after a game is the dumbest thing to be implemented in modern games. Some games like MCC, would often take 5 to 10 minutes to find another match. It would be more efficient to keep the same lobby while the game searches for more people to replace the people that left.
We live in a different era kids can’t take the same trash talking anymore
or better yet, get rid of "lobbies" and "matchmaking", let people host their own games and implement a server browser so you can choose any server you want just like in the old times.
@@kentreed2011 agreed.
@@kentreed2011 yes pls
I think MCC might actually keep some of the players when you match make since I usually see a lot of the same people if I stay in a lobby with them. Or maybe it’s just because not many players play on the same game types as I do I’m not sure.
If youre feeling anxious to chat in a game, just remember, theres a lot of people waiting for someone to initiate a conversation
not in chinese servers there aren't
@@lieutenanteclipse9975 Then play in American, Oceania, or European servers friend! I hope you find someone to enjoy a game with
@@WizardDudeman man I wish. Modern matchmaking makes it impossible to choose server regions. VPNs cause too much delay and it's nearly unplayable.
@@lieutenanteclipse9975don't go to those hellscapes....
@@lieutenanteclipse9975get a better vpn
I also think people are more socially anxious nowadays and are turned off from public chats because of that.
My pc headset broke 6 years ago, and ive never bothered to get a new one. Not due to social anxiety, but finding it not worth dealing with the toxicity of most players anymore.
@@riddell26 Maybe you're not a gamer
@@Goosewitdajuice317 tbh only guys who do speak in the games I play today are grown men.
@@tbc1880 I find a lot of them are dads too lol, but not all
@@Coltara maybe you are not a normal human
Being a kid/teenager in the early 00s is my biggest personal badge of honor. We truly were lucky at the time and had no idea. We were all excited for the future of gaming but man little did we know.
Everything is so censored now. Also with Discord.. running into big groups of people in the actual game chat is rare.
Nah fr
when most of that was happening my mom was really strict so I could t experience it😢
Real 🥀
Stop being nostalgic for trashy fps games and chatting with strangers who mostly were obnoxious 12 year olds.
There’s no better time to be alive than now. Everyone has fast internet and easy acess to media, there’s a world of music, films, anime, art, videogames and even books waiting for you to discover it out there. More people need to start exploring more art and stop being slaves to nostalgia.
I think that the design of online games becoming increasingly competitive (Battle royales, tactical shooters, etc) is also a factor in the downfall of game chat.
Borderlands games have Online Coop which rocks
E-Sports integration since 2012-13 has been one of the biggest pitfalls for gaming, I think devs blindly listening to youtuber and pro's suggestions also played a role in killing modern gaming tho
I stopped playing competitively because it’s what killed gaming for me. Trying to be good and playing ranked games felt like a chore. Now I just want to play for fun.
@@SuperDidact exactly you would spend so much time in online games vs a single player game where you can play a little bit and still make good progress but the problem with a lot of multiplayer games these days is they all feel the same there is no uniqueness I play Skyrim because it is something you can turn on for a little bit and go back to what you were doing.
Competativeness is no reason to remove sociability. Sure some people may still be quiet. But Just having a Persistent lobby is enough For people to get together. The longer you play with the same people The greater chance you have of doing so again. Especially If they are talking too.
RN its literally play a round, then By. never see you again.
Gaming was never as unhealthy or bad as people made it out to be. It’s phones, social media, and scrolling that broke everyone.
I mean it doesn't help that mp games are shit nowadays. I play Xbox for mostly Halo, so when the game was garbage I didn't see a need to keep giving msft 15 bucks a month when most games are f2p anyways now
@@nickguzman1734games are so much better now…
No it was not
@@ni9274 ....
Yeah singleplayer games are just as good as the ones before but multiplayer took a god damn nosedive.
real shittt
My biggest letdown is not maintaining lobbies like you said. I honestly don't understand why. I miss those days.
because a lot of games assign rating points after each win/loss and keeping lobbies would just allow one team to farm rating from the other either unintentionally or exploitatively. Im not entirely sure how complex matchmaking was in COD or Halo or "oldy" games but it was much more casual and less grindy where you feel the effect of every win and loss. Thats why games punish leavers now as well, whereas those old games just filled players midgame or played with less players.
@@benjaminjackson793 That makes sense. Yeah I do miss those days of being thrown into a lobby like that.
I think it may lead to faster matchmaking times, not exactly sure though
In my opinion, the most criminal thing that has been done in gaming over the last 10-20 years was the gradual removal of local multiplayer (split screen). Local sessions on split screen were the most fun as you shared these moments with friends and family as practically every major game had some kind of form of split screen so there was always a game for everyone's taste. We have lost the fun spark in gaming in pursuit of beautiful graphics and complex mechanics.
totally agree, there are not enough people singing the praises of split screen in this comments section, there going on about how much online gaming has changed I'm still sad that split screen is gone, almost like gaming lost a part of its soul by going all online.
Fuck yeah. The best time I had in games was me and my smaller brother split screening every game.
Dude I miss having noscope deathmatches on cod splitscreen, when it was 3 people one dude would get a bigger screen and we'd always be jealous
another one is the Total War series removing chat PERIOD... makes me so mad to see people have accepted this because "muh toxic chat".. my friend may as well be a bot tbh.
yeah online gaming was the start of this downfall
I’m still here gaming online from this era, this video hits deep as all the friends and people I met are long gone on my friends list…all composed of a huge graveyard of not online. It was amazing how social and engaging when it started back in 2004 when Halo 2 hit for Xbox live.. I probably play more multiplayer games NOW than I did back in the early to mid and late 2000’s, but now the social interaction is gone; nobody wears mics, if they do they are in private chats, etc. but it seems like the idea of grouping up with randoms in the modern era is practically mute at this point. It’s sad.
Get into VR gaming, like Contractors. Everyone practically has a mic integrated in their HMD.
So true
Modern gaming sux and they don’t get it
I understand exactly what your talking about! I finally get off work and want to play something and no one is on or have stopped playing games because reasons. So I just end up frustrated at random doing stupid shit. But it's their time to play the way they want. So I guess it's cool they get enjoyment.
The only modern games were i could team up with random people and have a great time nowadays were Evil Dead the game and doom eternal.
this is so true man. playing a game like apex without friends can feel like you’re just playing against some silent sweaty bots
Which is funny since one of the first BRs got up there in part because of proximity chat.
You probably are tbh
good
oh wow playing without friends feels lonely, who woulda thunk it.
@Andy I think because people were just bored and chatted to pass the time, nowadays I'd just use my phone while waiting
Dude just made a video straight for the heart of us older gamers. Makes me honestly happy that I've decided to look outside of video games for friends.
@@Momozzarella identity theft is such a schizo fear. who the hell has their friends commit identity fraud LOL?
@@Momozzarella online fiends are not real life friends. just like your face books friends are not real........... real friendships only happen in person face to face with actual real life experiences ..........you only fooling yourself thinking that a relationship with a device screen is somehow connected or related to real life interactions with living beings ......
@@annabanna666I know personally my online friends aren’t real but one day I looked at my PS account and seen old online friends last logged in 10+ years ago it kinda broke my heart how quick time passed and though I never knew them it was like I wonder where they’re doing and if they’re even alive? Just makes me think back to the old days when there was nothing to worry about and I was just living in the moment. Makes me realize I don’t like my life now though everything is great but just those days won’t ever come back. Maybe I feel like I wasted my life in a way, maybe I feel like I need to make a drastic change in my life. I just don’t wanna be that guy that let nostalgia take over and I’m stuck in a loop.
Sorry I been rambling on but I just been feeling a shell of myself the last few years and nothing seems to impress me anymore…
If this goes "straight for the heart" then you are absolutely not an "older gamer".... ffs
As an actual older gamer, who played Atari and Coleco. Real social video game playing is on a couch with your friends. Online gaming is not the same as playing Bond with your buddies on the same couch.
It's kind of profound that despite living in a time where video games have never looked and played better than before, the most fun I've had in recent memory was jumping on gm_flatgrass in Garry's Mod with an old friend and just messing around with dupes. Games have been so focused on doing the modern and meta things that they forgot the reason why people play games in the first place.
Me and my friend play heavily modded gmod all the time it's really fun.
The gaming industry has lost its core objective, to make something fun.
This right here, this is it
Dude I spent hundreds of hours on flatgrass bigcity and all the other classics. God how I miss those sweet sweet days. Games didn't have to look good, it was about the community!
"In a time where games look & plat better" your joking right. Yeah some games look pretty but besides their graphical fidelity, dumbed down gameplay/combat mechanics etc they dont have much to offer. Games back didnt releasess as broken as today games. Not to mention there was a whole lot less censorship, but as soon as activist and casuals showed interest into gaming like everything else that goes mainstream; got fucked.
Multiplayer games on PS3/XBOX360 were way better specifically because everyone had a mic and you didn't disband after every game so you could actually make friends without even realizing just by playing good games together. Really made you feel like a community.
People still Play Battlefield 3
And if I remember, I think most Xbox 360 console came with the crappy mic that always broke but im not too sure.
It came with one when I got the halo reach custom edition
@@FightCainremember that ear thing would come off or the part you put over your head would snap.
oh yea
Gta 5 days :))
PS5 tried to do something with it by adding a controller microphone
Which kinda helps but most people still don't wanna use it
I remember going in PlayStation 3 and having a nearly full friends list, messaging people, getting replies, talking on the mics, getting to know people on Facebook afterwards. It is surreal to think about just how much this has changed. These days playing a game few people have a mic, allot of people don't speak English, people who talk and communicate usually are in squads or clans so running into them is pretty uncommon. It is not the same as it used to be.
We got old, dude. Let's take that in consideration as well haha
Even if it was like before, I wouldn't be engaging in conversations the same as before
@@focabox5594 fair point
@@focabox5594 old or not, the "social" aspect of modern gaming is an objective downgrade compared to the 2000s
if you want that same feeling maybe FF14 will be up your alley. I have never been into MMO's but FF14 has that vibe of "let's make new friends" as everyone there is so easy to talk to.
We got older and an important thing that people forget is that online games have moderated chats you can't talk about stuff freely there are consequences. People don't comment on chats because they might get banned
I'm not the most social person, but even I enjoyed the times where there would be big lobbies in Halo with close friends and people they knew. It was fun to just talk with everyone as we all just had fun with the game rather than taking everything so seriously.
I remember many times when the group would joke around pregame, during the game, and postgame for hours on end. It really helped foster a community that was passionate about gaming without worrying about the stresses of life.
hell yeah I miss being called the n word every 5 seconds by a 10 year old who thought it was the greatest comeback of all time lmao
@@b1bbscraz3ythe mute button exists
@@MajorasThoughts I'm not a p*ssy, it was funny. mute button didn't work the same back then before party chat was fleshed out like it is today
@b1bbscraz3y my bad bro, I thought you were being sarcastic with your original comment 😅
I really do miss the days of jumping into a Halo 3 match and hearing some kid singing (more like screaming) the Hayabusa song into the good old free 360 mic, and just making friends with random people in COD Zombies lobbies. Some of it was so chaotic but memorable. It's such a special part of online multiplayer that the death of it over time is probably why I stopped playing online multiplayer games tbh
Yeah multiplayer these days doesn’t feel nearly as “fun” as back then. Today I play to grind passes and ranked ladders, back then I would just make friends
@@Arrrash i cant consider my self as a ''gamer'' because there is only 3 games that i play for my whole life and that is lol, quake, and cs i remeber back in 2009 i would finish my school start cs on community servers and speak with other people it was a blast i wasnt even focusing on gameplay just on speaking with those guys whole fucking night and u know what that thing doesnt exist anymore in cs its only a few words whole game, that is same for lol back in the days lol was very good healthy fun community... 2023 experience in lol is /mute all all the game because its just toxic i dont know if u can understand me but before was better so much better i dont know what happend its sad
@@virus4721 For me it's just how the way the world works nowadays. It's something not the developers can fix nor the people could do. As a Gen Z who grew up playing in this age, I find the sweaty/ competitive nature of games the "fun" aspect. The solution to this state of gaming is either just accept it and have fun or find other games to play (me personally I recommend SCP: SL as it brings the feeling of the early days more than any other online game I have played).
HAAAAAAAYABUSSAAAAAA
I pretty much exclusively play single player games anymore lol competitive multiplayer isn't fun anymore
I remember when Call of Duty search and destroy lobbies would force you into game chat, 50,000 people used to chat here now it's a ghost town.
I loved watching let’s plays of that and the funny offensive stuff people would say when they got mad.
😂 i see what you did there
Downvote
Not mw2019 it's still active and toxic AF but I love it
You can still play the good old mw2 search and destroy, I still play it and nothing has changed it’s just hard to find a lobby at times nowadays
I'm not going to lie, back in 08 me and my friend group quickly realized that party chat had basically destroyed something special. Like we used it, but by 2011 in Black Ops we were actively trying to not use it if we were in a larger group because in game chat was often super entertaining. Back in the day people would roll their eyes when they saw the party chat icon, because they knew it was crushing the game's feel/community.
We will never go back to this era & I think that that is a sad state of affairs.
I remember seeing the party chat icons on MW2 and BO2 lobbies and we would call them pussies and talk shit hahaha while they couldn’t hear us. Turns out we were right to do it the whole time 😂😂
Yesss I remember they started changing it in ww2.. only in search and destroy was party chat not allowed
back when you had to turn off party chat to play search
It’s crazy how we legit had 2 groups of people we quick scoped with. Total of 8 of us, only 4 were like us irl friends. The other 4 were legit random guys from live lol, 2 were grown ass men and the other 2 were like late teens. We were like 13-14 our selves
Games like RSS Siege are great for private chat as it’s a small squad thing. But games like Black Ops either felt alive or absolutely dead depending on where everyone was forced to chat.
Man this video hits so hard.
I’m 34 years old, do the math and I was prime age for all these old lobbies he mentions.
I used to have as many if not more friends online as I did in real life. Now I literally have no friends online.
I play online games nearly every day against tens or a hundred people and have real interactions with none of them. Feels bad man.
"more friends online"
"online friends"
That's the most pathetic thing I've ever heard.
No such thing as, "online friends".
@@Freakazoid12345 I beg to differ. I had a group of friends from the Netherlands that I spoke to and played with daily for almost ten years. I’d been on virtual tours of their towns, taken them on tours of mine, I knew their parents, even helped them with their classes in university on occasion. They called me when they wanted to talk about something they were going through, I listened when a lot of others didn’t. I loved those guys and gals. I hate we all lost touch but that’s life.
Prick.
@@Freakazoid12345 How old are you? Having online friends was absolutely a thing. I had dozens from 2006 - 2012, a lot of us spoke every day. Then Twitter and social media got big and it slowly died. Being social is now more about getting followers and saying likable things in 140 characters or less, and being a detached persona, rather than having conversations that actually communicate interesting information.
@@spankyspork5808 lol, you're defending somebody calling other people a, "prick" because they have no friends and can't tell the difference between fantasy and the real world?
@@Freakazoid12345you can’t even relate to those era. Dude are mad to you because you’re devalued his international pal akind to an ai.. the price of being an adult in modern era is losing friend from younger age doesn’t matter it’s obtained online or not. i don’t care how old you’re now, and if my guess are correct 8-20, I double dare ya to be in your 50’s and let us see how many pal you’ve think will be loyal you when you finally reached that silver age.
P.s btw I’m still alive when you’re being considered an old man by someone your age now 😂😂😂
You literally explained exactly how it feels nowadays in online games. I've literally had that feeling of loneliness as of late. I'm 21 now and I thought I was just acting old and reminiscent. But this perfectly describes it all.
Play deep rock galactic and just start talking to people
21?? you just a kid, you can't understand us 30+ yo
@RobouteGuilliman972 oh shut up. Let him have his memory's
Ong bro I’m glad someone was able to explain this feeling 🥀
That community is so wholesome!@@ureyesrbleeding1
I grew up on gaming. I enjoy gaming. I don’t really plan to quit gaming. However, the dark side of gaming is that it’s always been my escape from reality. I’ve been pretty lonely and felt like I’m missing out. For the past couple weeks I’ve been cutting back a lot of time for gaming and I’ve just been focusing on other things like working out and reading. Honestly needed a break from gaming and i don’t regret it.
you need balance, you need sun, time outdoors, exercise, using your brain for some creative pursuit other than gaming and you need social time
You got an IG man? Looking to connect with some fellow older gamers even if you’re in a transition of getting out of it or at least putting gaming on hiatus
I agree. I had a huge addictive personality with gaming. Once i started making a balance for it , and put more important stuff first, my life has been better now. Its like a relationship you don’t want too let go. But it’s necessary that you must
@@chadwellington2524facts chad
@@chadwellington2524let him live his life
I’m glad someone else is talking about this. I honestly just thought I’ve become more introverted compared to when I was younger but I’m glad to find that it’s not me that’s changed so much but games themselves.
Dude u play games u already a nerd and a introvert guy according to society 😂
@@vitadude5004 I love Skyrim because I find online games nowadays are playing like their life depends on it
@@vitadude5004 well it has got better over the years before they thought all gamers had no life and don't do anything besides game which is true for a short portion of gamers but I believe the majority of gamers do have work because gaming is expensive to get set up and unless you got a job and depended on someone your going to be wasting a lot of time on that without any of your bills being paid.
@@vitadude5004 dude what year are you living in? There’s like a 50/50 chance someone you met played games
@@vitadude5004 everyone plays games now. There’s not nearly as much of a stigma around it as there used to be.
I grew up with a dad that loved his Xbox 360 and vaguely remember him playing COD or Halo with an open mic gamechat. I loved watching him laugh with these random strangers somewhere else in the world. Now, I grew up on the 3DS and Xbox 1 with very little communication with other people. I never even played Halo 3 multiplayer but I miss that time and community. Seeing the shift in gaming today makes me wonder what Dad would think of today's community. No doubt he would miss the older times he raised me on, too.
RIP to dad man! Blessings to you man.
Dude I grew up in that Era was like 13 14 around that time so I know it all too well gaming these days is fucking trash
Random strangers somewhere else in the USA * I fixed that for you
Casual gameplay has also starting to dissolve as the focus has gotten more and more towards playing like a pro and games seem to promote competative gameplay more, killing that fun voice chat experience. So many people get so serious about their gameplay.
The esports push has really hurt gameplay for regular lobbies unfortunately
And it's ironic as now that e sports is shown to not be profitable most of the companies left, just leaving a sweaty destroyed mess in their wake
@@jjcoola998i don't think esports hurt it as much as the youtube boom. Everyone wants to be a youtuber. Gaming youtuber were some of the biggest during the beginning of youtube. Being very good at game will attract an audience because people like seeing high skilled gameplay they themselves can't replicate.
i really don't get e-sports, they have fancy team shirts with their team logos and do these fancy entrances as if they were real sports players, except they just to go sit at a PC to play overwatch or csgo super seriously, it just makes them look like neckbeards
@@SnrubSourcethe same can still be said for any athlete, what are any really providing to society other than “ooooh good at throwing ball”
@@cyn1103 yeah but that's actually stuff involving large physical movements
I remember playing Black Ops 1 near the end of its life, I woud run into the same 10 or 20 people every other match. Never added them as friends, but it was like going to the bar and vibing with the same 10 strangers. It was nice.
I miss this era. I made so many friends online growing up by just playing games. Then as I got older I noticed more games started getting quiet. It’s an interesting experience to have a long conversation with someone you’ll never talk to again.
I met a friend online in person me and her got involved also. What a way to meet.the rest of he friends online but fun also
@levichicwown9760real shit the giganerds that play that game nonstop will remind you of the good old days 😂
I feel exactly as you have described, I am now 34 years old, I really miss that feel of friendlyness and camaradery you used to have while playing online, now it's really hard to get.
So true im 35 now but the days with the mw3 lobbys and stuff was fun i actually learned english much better cause of it
@@Wheyooo Same. I played Star Wars games a lot back then, AvP, sometimes L4D2. Much harder to come by nowadays. This sucks. :/
thats true for real life as well.
it was a surreal experience getting into MMOs again because of this. Made some great friends playing Runescape back in the day just talking with random people while skilling. didn't expect things to be exactly the same since chat etiquette was bound to change over time but it really does feel like a single player game now.
It’s definitely what you make it. I came back to OSRS about 8 months ago because I missed the social aspect of Runescape. I had been playing tons of single player games.
Joined a clan, participated in clan events and chat, made friends, started doing raids, made even more friends, who I raid w/ all the time in VC.
Definitely is less social than it used to be though. I do miss those days. But you can certainly still strike up a convo with most people!
very true! probably wouldn't have stuck with it had i not found a friendly clan with a discord server to chill in.
nice music by the way.
The sadder I got watching this video, the more tangible the loss occurred to me to be. Zombies was it for me since we were all on the same side anyway. Counting on each other to have a good time built something special
Zombies was 100 percent my experience for something like this
Zombies is hosted always lol just met some peeps not too long ago for Der Eisendrache EE got to the boss fight and got clapped destroyed was fun got laughed at since I was completely lost on how to do the Easter egg steps on that took like 30 shots from my bow upgrade 😂
I just played Revelations and finished the easter egg with a friend at his house dual tv multiplayer BO3. Its still awesome.
should try deep rock galactic then
I still play CW zombies. Had a ton of fun with that one beating all the bosses. Usually just three of us played.
I’m actually really happy I grew up when I did because of gaming. No matter what horrible shit was happening in the world, how many points the stock market dropped or what stupid bullshit my parents were fighting about I always had something to look forward to when I got home from school.
True. You and the homies all summer gaming playing halo and cod. The gaming industry is completely sterile and soulless now. We lucked out.
@@0nzer0I simply stopped playing modern games at this point (with a couple of exceptions) I went back to my good old early 2000s games and a lot of them are still alive and fun so I am happy (:
@@kentreed2011 Alot of indie games are really good too. But that's probably because indie developers adopt alot of the older game styles than modern AAA games. Plus, since indie games are smaller teams, they are much more in touch with their community than corporations, so they can much better tailor their games to their audience. I play almost nothing but indie games. Particularly rogue-likes because of how difficult they are.
@@avaliausd. I love playing modded Skyrim it is one of those games that you will always come back to.
@@kentreed2011 The 2,000s games I used to play either are not an option because I no longer have a PC. Or, are for a gaming system which no longer works. For me I started gaming when the Nintendo Entertainment System was only a half decade old. For me games from the 2010 era are what I have been playing mostly. DS/3DS games, Xbox One games etc. I was just thinking about Warcraft 3 custom games today though.
One of the reasons MW2 got me so big into SnD was because the game would literally force everybody into game chat even if they were in a party. Wish games would still do that.
I love how you point this out because these days all everyone wants to talk about is how edgy or toxic those lobbies were but my memory is of way more wholesome interactions. Way more often I’d get a supporting community, someone willing to give advice, or just be friendly than I would someone yelling slurs or whatever. In fact I can only really remember one time hearing a kid lose his mind on chat. And it was mostly kids. Adults were usually (usually) very chill and nice.
boy were you lucky.
One thing i loved about 2011 was Halo Reach's option to turn pick your communications lobby between quiet, mixed or chatty. I didnt have a mic at then but i always switched it to chatty because it was always nice hearing people just simply verbally interact with each other.
Erma God nostalgia gasm . Sorry and thank you.
Sry but I was annoyed by you people back then because even before you took the place away from someone with a mic. Some listened and showed that they understood what we said which was fun. But no talking was unfun still
@@AbuHajarAlBugattidid you misread? They took the fun road not the boring road...
what fairy tale world did you live in? for me it was psychos, sqeakers and people with loud music in the background. voice chat was a mistake.
Nothing beats the sensation of comradery and rivalry you would get from lobbies when seeing the same names through multiple games in a row. There was always "That Guy" who you would persue or would kill you and then emote, making you want that sweet revenge. Then later you could exchange messages and trash talk each other or even become friends. It was awesome .
I never liked trash talk, I was a soy boy and just didn't get satisfaactio being called a moron for missing a kill or whatever.
its still like this now, in smaller indie shooters or pvp games, ill come across the same people or a guy will teabag or shoot my body and then ill target him for the rest of the game and do it back to him its all ego tho
Don't really play much online multiplayer nowadays, mostly just single player and local coop with my brother.
Another thing that seems to have been abandoned is developer/community interaction. I remember on halo 3 when bungie had file share and would post the best photos taken weekly, or the plethora of Easter eggs scattered throughout the campaign it was so fun and made the game seem way more colorful. Unlocking armor had you doing the weirdest shit but that’s what made it FUN now it’s usually just a battle pass or some other sort of tier system
Well Bungie continued that for a while until their devs started getting death threats in response to not bringing a piece of destiny 1 armor into destiny 2
@@gamechip06 continued what exactly? I never really got into destiny
I often think back to why I don’t play multiplayer games like I used to and I feel like this video really nailed it. Things have just changed so much and killed a lot of the spontaneous interactions and friend making I really enjoyed back in the day
Yeah theres 100 platforms for interacting now , xbox live is not the only place to be social. Reddit has 100s of million users.
Man, I was born in '95, pretty much the perfect time for that late 2000's console multiplayer boom. I remember coming home from high school and every single day all my friends were all already on and in games or would come on not longer after. In fact I ended making friends with people who I initially didn't like or didn't like me because playing games together made us realise we actually had a lot more in common than we thought.
I had some of the best times of my life on Halo 3, CoD 4 through to Black ops, and Halo Reach with the boys, sadly of which none of them game anymore.
Nowadays the only multiplayer I touch is co op PvE and even that gets ruined most of the time by someone just trying to piss you off despite that there's literally dedicated game PvP modes for doing just that. Even racing games have become a hole of griefers on PvE modes.
Plus there's just not that sense of progression in modern games that there used to be. You could unlock absolutely everything in older games just by playing them. Not anymore.
Also playing cross gen with PC players on console especially in FPS games is just straight up not fun and any time I've tried turning off cross play in games that have it multiplayer struggles to even find one game.
I feel you... And may the spirit of Mikael Åkerfeldt lift us!
@@LunaVictoria9 ah, a fellow cultured fan of Opeth I see, good to see you out here in the wild.
‘96 here💪
Last great generation
Before Gen Z🙄
Same here was born in 94 and had the best gaming experience growing up til my end hs days. I can admit I do miss when people aren’t so easily offended… online gaming.
Same here was born in 94 and had the best gaming experience growing up til my end hs days. I can admit I do miss when people aren’t so easily offended… online gaming.
I feel the “convenience” factor is what made a lot of gamers socially awkward. We never have to talk to anyone nowadays so when we do, we just want to get the objective done. Also its very true that there’s no point in making a friend if you both know you’ll never see each other ever again.
Well you can also just you know send them a friend request and ask to play again. 😂 But that's too hard? Weird gamers are so toxic that nobody's talking to them. Maybe don't be assholes online. That's the issue.
@@ErinHoneyBunnywell said no one ever mentions that people nowadays treat gaming like a real life skill instead of a game which has turned a lot of people off from talking in general cause it’s more peaceful to sit in silence then to deal with some asshole kid backseat gaming you
@@ErinHoneyBunnyYou're literally only going to spend 5-10 minutes with anyone and that's literally not enough time to start a conversation and by the time one potentially might, the game dissolves and you'll never see them again. Is it still possible? Sure. But matchmaking was a net negative that made it harder. I've had much more social interaction on games that used server browsers or maintained parties between games. Granted, not being an asshole helps but I doubt that's a majority of the issue
"toxic" this "toxic" that, tf2 lobbies everyone will call each other slurs and beat people to death with signs that have pictures of 9/11 and yet everyone is still having a good time. If you want a safe space videogame might i suggest valorant where you can get banned for having the wrong tone of voice? If you prefer a more petty, catty crowd.
Not gonna lie, but the "never gonna see eachother" isn't as good of a point for this problem. That's because it was *even* harder in the past for people online to meet eachother IRL, than it is today. And yet today, people are more antisocial than back then. It sucks real bad.
Like come on guys, is there ever a reason not to have fun with others and be friendly? ❤ Even if you don't make friends. I agree with @LilDuckie23 , I think toxicity of people nowadays is the real problem.
I completely agree with this. I'm 29 and I truly feel like I got to experience the golden age of gaming. I got to grow up on great consoles like PS1, N64, Sega, etc. But I also got to spend my teen years playing Halo 3, COD, and so many others on the Xbox 360. Half the fun was all the talking in the lobby. Even the trash talk was usually fun.
I played so much halo 3 back in the day you'd probably recognize me. So much fun. So many friends made. Man how things have changed. I get the old people now lol
My favorite thing from these days and game chat is the death screams in stuff like cod search and destroy. When you killed an enemy, you could hear player for a brief moment if they had a headset. A lot of the sounds were just screaming and cursing. But man, those made me crack up
Lol mw2. It’s funny tho. To me cod is still the same with people talking. More likely every other match you’ll get a talkative person or two.
@@strawberrysherbet96 yes and in ranked its usually 2-4 mics on at all times from randoms
I think toxicity plays a large role in this, especially in competitive environments. You never can have fun when talking shit anymore like in a mw2 lobby, it's genuinely malicious. So many miserable people sinking hours into a game, to compensate for their lack of self worth, getting upset when their kd drops or when their win loss drops. It's quite sad and pathetic, especially the ones who cheat and pretend they have skill that boosts their fragile ego. Gaming just ain't the same boys.
In fighting game tournaments, shittalking is just par for the course. It has a social aspect to it, this isn't limited to videogames. Sport games also have this.
But shittalking has to be fun, people would feel if someone went to far and react immediately to it.
It's basically a harsher form of banter.
Don't get it why this is discouraged in video games? A mute button is suffice for this issue.
It's ok to talk shit but most ppl talk about personal stuff outside of video games just to hurt others.
@@Wesmoen Yeah but this video is made to complain about everyone using the mute button.
that was always the case, you used to just go at it in the lobby and send the most hilarious messages back and forth. nowadays, everyone is such a pussy that if you call someone "gay" in a message, youll be PERMANENTLY BANNED for "hate speech"...its boring and oppressive.
trash talking is part of the fun tbh
They want us divided. Xbl was one of the most powerful unifying forces for gamers everywhere and a block that strong and passionate isn't good for margins.
Yes, they want your only source of fun and relief to be buying skins.
Even worse than cold profit. ESG.
@@KopperNeoman correctamundo
@@HAMRADIO-w3g and they want you to be addicted to the grind or earning in game currency and higher ranks
We all know who they are as well. Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars, friends. Be ready for turbulence. You are living it.
My biggest problem with modern gaming is the loneliness that comes with it. Even in multiplayer, I am constantly by myself in my own little bubble. Well... I'd like to change that. Most of my favorite childhood games were built so much larger thanks to having a whole neighborhood of friends to experience them with. My goal is to find other people out there who are passionate about video games like me.
There is GTA V Roleplay / FiveM. You could talk to anyone there as like different characters
You're totally right. I've never actually role played in GTA fact but I've watched plenty of videos on it and definitely seems like something I could get into. . Last night I was streaming rocket League and someone that was watching asked if he can play with me and me and him played about five games together and at least I personally had a great time
Or, get a hobbie that actually involves people
@@Masterdesstruct OMG! do people not play games anymore?! i always knew id be the last one
@@TMNCurtlesonTwitchtruly, we are alone lol
Don’t be sad that it is over, be happy that you were able to live through it.
I wasn't unfortunately
@@Zonatedjaguar90there will be your generations equivalent to these old gaming days!
@@athelstanrex There won't, that's the hilarious part.
@@athelstanrex nope
@@athelstanrexthose old days will never return to form, ever. The closest thing we can look forward to where the gaming experience will feel fun like that again is when VR and haptic suits are common place like PC, Xbox, Playstation, and Nintendo are, but even that that will still be a completely different experience.
Well i guess Little Billy might hear a bad word. Censorship has ruined modern society.
Fax
Agreed.
Mostly just due to the phase of life I'm in, the majority of the folks I know have school or girlfriends or full time jobs keeping them tied up, and while I can't expect someone to put their life on hold to entertain me, it still sucks that virtually every human being I've ever spent time with just has no time anymore.
Some of my family have moved away, and it really just feels like everyone's leaving and nobody is coming back in to replace them. I work part time while pursuing independent studies, because college is dummy expensive for no reason, and my free time can be very lonely. I've almost stopped playing games entirely, because even when I do play, all I can think about is wanting to play with my friends.
We (us under these comments) gotta come together and play with each other
@@martavionhamilton3634 This is a brilliant idea, but how? I'd LOVE it.
stuff like that is why i don't like and fear the thought of growing up
@@joecobb4604 it might be easier said than done, but don't be afraid of it. It's not worth being afraid of honestly. Life has hard seasons sometimes, and even though it can be rough trying to adapt to how life changes, finding the upside and doing our best to embrace whatever position we find ourselves in is key to peace, joy, and growth in any circumstance.
@@joecobb4604 We'll all end up growing up, but I do get your point. I wish I'd never grown up, lol.
One of the best mechanics to any game was how MW2 had game modes that REQUIRED game chat. Forcing people to interact with the other team, especially with how the lobby would merge together into new maps. Definitely encouraged an environment of both comradery and rivalry.
The casual gamemode and community servers on CS:GO are the closest to the feeling you’ve described that I’ve felt in ‘modern’ gaming. Anyone playing these gamemodes aren’t queued for the competitive queue, so people are pretty relaxed and tend to shoot the shit instead of trying. Server lobbies persist through maps too, so you’ll play with the same core people in the server as you described.
Hopefully they don't screw up CS2
I agree that CSGO hasn't changed much.
As somebody who's been gaming almost since its dawn, trust me, NOTHING compares to your childhood/teen years. Time does that, to everything. I had brothers almost a decade older, so I was on Turbo Grafx-16 well before my time. I remember Fighting Street, Splatterhouse, Super Mario 2, Contra, Punch-out, being blown away by SF2, going to arcades to play MK I & II, the first Madden on Genesis, Goldeneye, Battle arena on the OG Playstation etc. It's like magic to witness all that over the years, and depressing to think about those friends from the 360 days who I lost touch with.
But no modern gaming experience can compete against that nostalgia...and never will. The best you can do is cherish those memories if you were lucky enough to have them and try to make the most of what we have now...
Yep, you can even go back to old forums and read discussions about how the downfall of LAN parties, split screen and gaming cafes makes online gaming feel lonely. About how hard it was to play with friends since you were always playing against randoms. All this during the "golden" period talked about in this video. There's two sides to every debate, and the fact is now that kids can make parties and discords with their friends, they're having a great social time even when their friends aren't playing the same game.
It leaves us oldies in the dust who learned to socialise with randos, but that's okay, the kids will always know how (and where) to socialise. We did it to our senior generation when we moved to mobile phones and social media, now it's our turn.
@@MisterFoxton the simple realization is that it's constantly getting worse...
@@ano_nym There's pros and cons to the advancements, but I like to think more positively that it is just changing into something that doesn't suite you as well as the old system, because you adapted your preferences to the old system and old way of doing things. If kids today went from being able to chat with only their friends to having to speak to each other knowing random people could interrupt or join their conversation, they wouldn't like it.
@@noahspielman7506 as said in the video, that was still possible, and people did. Like Ventrilo and TeamSpeak, after that Skype.
But I get your point.
I would say that some things are objectively worse though. Take the monetization for example. These days you don't really get anything by actually doing stuff in game. Like complete x to get skin y. Everything is sold, these days through battle passes, a few years ago in loot boxes.
I think more people are less social these days. When 360 was huge, it was also new. So people were eager to chat with new technology. Later I think Internet Culture became more popular and forums were a new trend. You can find a reddit for anything and keep it strictly on topic and remain ultra anonymous.
I am not sure if people care much about a online persona anymore. Gamertags and Gamerscores used to be a big deal, but no one really cares about that stuff anymore. Everyone prefers anonymous more and more. Chatting online multiplayer works for strategy games, but pick up and play people will just listen to spotify and game.
If no one has noticed everything is becoming more lonely, you look around and everyone is constantly on their phones, like seriously, wake up people
This
Thankfully I got to experience in my opinion the peak of gaming around 2007-2009. Between the banger MW cod series and Halo, it was truly awesome. Not only were the games great, but usually they involved having friends over and playing together. Gaming was seen almost as a social activity. Now I would say it’s become very isolated indeed.
Gaming companies also record chats too, and knowing how heated people can get I think that's why they usually stay muted or don't plug in their microphone so they don't risk getting banned.
I remember when, on my Xbox 360, it would be weird if someone didn't have a mic while we were in a party... now it's normal
This video almost made me cry. Gaming truly will never be the same again and that's sad.
I feel ya, bro 😢
Yes bro, I’ve stopped playing video games, we can never reach that peak again😢
Coz of eSports and twitch streamers, and every Timmy thinking that they can be one, so they sweat the game 25/8 trying to get the best instead of having fun
@@OwxnX same I just play magic the gathering in the store
Imagine if there was a multiplayer game that gave you a slight XP bonus for having a mic connected during your sessions
DayZ ... (Not xp, but toooons of vantage)
I felt this way for a long time and thought I was alone. I feel like party chat and discord has killed the fun in online games for me. As someone who’s friends have stopped playing games as we got older I find myself remembering how easy it was to just jump in a cod lobby and immediately make friends with random people, nowadays I join a cod lobby and no one is talking everyone is just in their own party chat.
I never got to experience any of the good years of gaming, gaming has always been a very lonely experience. I grew up thinking that way, but in the past few years I’ve noticed how lonely I really am and that gaming wasnt always like this. I feel…saddened that I was never able to experience gaming like this. I never had those friends that you played with all the time, I never felt what it was like to be in a game chat chilling with people I didnt know. And now on top of that im pretty sure ill never get a taste of that. Ive tried to make friends, getting on voice chat but its like, empty. Ill send friend requests and invites to games and ive had maybe 1-2 people ever accept it. Its all becoming so lonely and not even fun. Games would be so much more fun if you had people to play with. But who knows, maybe things can change for the best.
Try co op games like ready or not, older games that have a community, obscure PC mods with a good community, and VR games like Breachers. Good fun communication on general game chat is still out there 👍
People just didn't realize how dangerous talking to people online could be back then. I don't think its a social issue, I think people are just less naive than we were back in those days and aren't willing to risk being swatted or doxxed because you talked some smack online. Kids/younger folks are taught how seriously dangerous the internet can be now and it completely stops most people from experiencing the good types of communities. Basically, a few bad apples spoiled it for everyone.
@@Shmandalffear isn’t a good reason to remove a feature. Don’t give out your address. The servers should obscure IPs. If someone can (wants to) hack past a basic level of defense, they’re probably a very rare sociopath and would be outing themselves. There’s no reason to get rid of the party and open chat system. You can walk out into any public place and have “open mic” and someone can follow you home and get your address and stalk you or swat you. It’s no different. Sick of these tech companies thinking they know what’s best for everyone. It’s in the terms and conditions, they’re not liable. So let us chat and if someone is worried they can turn it off. Don’t just remove it for everyone…
try holdfast nations at war
Hey, why don’t you list some of the games you play and platform here and maybe you can link up with other people in the comments who feel similar?
Another thing to note is that Xbox 360 live was mostly around before we had cellphones. So it was the primary way friends from school and elsewhere would keep in touch when not at school.
This has been my main complaint with modern games/online services, the social aspect is on the back burner and because of it I lose interest in games a lot sooner.
I miss the old pregame lobbies and not being kicked after each match, which allowed you to make friends.
Yea, a lot of people just watch videos or listen to music while playing solo, instead of getting on the mic
Do you mean smartphones? Cell phones have been around for decades.
@@MG-wk2eh no cell phones bro im 27 now and smart phones werent even that common when i started high school most had cell phones
@@perseus3115 Smartphones didn't become common until 2011/2012ish, but mobile phones were common for a decade or so before that.
I'm 30 so I was a teenager in the 2000s, you had a mobile phone for texting, calling, and taking (shitty quality) pics/videos, but you also had instant messengers on the internet like MSN/Windows Live Messenger, I think AIM was more popular in America, at least based on the online friends I had the time.
@@MG-wk2eh yeah right lol im 33 from NYC and i remember everyone had Black Berries and Sidekicks... it was literally the same as everyone having smartphones now
Team fortress 2 Is the perfect example of what you liked about the past, wierd convos and silly interactions are what makes it special
Exactly! I've also made alot of friends on the game in the community servers!
Xbox 360 and ps3 were the peak of gaming.
Can confirm this, hop onto a community server in TF2 nowadays and there are plenty of people in voice chat
I love playing coop games far more than vs games because of talking to teammates and working together to achieve the same goal.
Yeah i mostly left PvP behind after Socom died. Co-op is where the communication is.
EXACTLY!!!
Too bad lots of devs are dropping co-op and gamers out there think co-op ruins games.
It's sad.
Co-op is great! I wish it had more love and that not all co-op games should just turn into a games as a service affair
@@focabox5594 It's that sweaty e-sports mentality has has seeped into everything. Co-op modes are seen as for "casuals" and lesser gamers. I never played Battlefront II co-op until recently, and honestly it's been some of the best fun i've had in that game mowing down an endless horde of bots until I'm overrun.
My friends and I still load up comp stomps on games like Star craft. Games are meant for chilling out and having fun, not for honing yourself into the next e-sports champion.
I like Splitgate’s chat implementation when it worked. Could still talk in game chat while being in a party. That’s how I’d prefer it all the time. I hate that I can’t communicate with people in infinite if I’m in party chat but I’m not going to leave party chat every time I find a match, and I’m always going to party up with my buddies when I’m playing.
That’s actually cool. I didn’t know it worked like that, but even Splitgate was pretty silent when I grinded it
If you play some games using cloud play I know it will put you in both party chat and game chat for whatever game it is on console which is interesting. I know for the very little amount of time I spent playing Elder Scrolls Online, I know it does that.
Man i miss splitgate. The only BR i actually enjoyed
This video hit me in the feels
I think it's more down to society now rather then the games. People in general are more shitty and less friendly. Also in the past you could say whatever you wanted online with no consequences which made people more real. Now everyone is bent on being offended.
Even though I owned a original Xbox, I never got to experience Xbox Live. My dad thought it was stupid to pay a subscription to play multiplayer online. So he introduced me to PC Gaming instead, which was a lot better ngl due to the modded servers and whatnot. Like Half Life 2, Counter Strike Source.
Fortunately I did experience online console multiplayer with the PS3, such as Killzone and Metal Gear Online 2 (MGS4). There were chill practice lobbies where people liked to mess around in MGS4, where I met a lot of my online friends.
Regardless, I miss those days. Fortunately you can still get that same experience when playing VR Online multiplayer games. Like Contractors and Pavlov.
You have a father of culture buddy. I bet you love your pops huh? Good dude. Pc is where its at. I console game because I don't know much about pc but I once upon a time had a pc good enough for Counter Strike and Team Fortress 2. Damn good games.
@@momsspaghetti4064 Yes, he's a great dad! He was ahead of his time when it came to the PC/Internet back in the 90s. He still keeps up with the latest technology trends. Now currently an IT Director.
Even though his reaction skills isn't as good like it once was when it comes to FPS games, we still do play co-op every so often. Mostly digital card games and turn based games.
@@zeliph hell yea man.
Man I met so many great people though public lobbies. When I was young, 14, I got bullied alot and didn't have any friends. I remember just booting up my ps3 just to talk to older people, around the age I am now. I had a deeper voice so they presume I was 24. Surprisingly, they were all mature adults who really help me influence how I approach gaming in the future. I miss the days of just killing time playing video games and just having random conversation with people. Is there a game that allows for that experience?
I sometimes had that in Left 4 Dead 2. but much less nowadays. Still one of the best if you ask me though. I've also played Jedi Academy a lot for this reason (apart from being a SW fan :D).
I remember the old days fondly. It was so common in the OG Xbox days for people to invite each other to their custom lobbies, just because they met in the same game. You'd be playing Team Slayer one second, and then in a custom lobby sword glitching out of the map the next second. It was actually considered weird to not talk on the mic (I kinda miss those weird mic filters). The early 360 days were also insane. I met so many friends on MW2, and fighting game lobbies. Nowadays VR games are the only games where it feels you can have fun with people. Phasmophobia almost basically requires microphone use, meaning people have a reason to talk and communicate with each other. I've had so many good experiences playing with people in those games, and it's a fun environment to socialize in. Then you have the new MW2 where you're more likely to hear the whole lobby shout slurs, and people complaining about how you play.
Also, I wouldn't really say party chat on 360 made game chat barren. More often than not, at least with in my experience, people only went into party chat when they already had a big group, and games like MW2 actually restricted party chat when playing team modes.
It wasn’t like a switch flipped, but I think over time less and less people went into game chat
I really miss those days… I constantly think about them as my golden years. Which is weird because I’m only 21 years old but haven’t had any friends for 3 years. I fondly remember the constant laughs and jokes and wish I could go back to when gaming was a whole community both with gamers and the people that made the games.
Hell Let Loose is pretty good with that. Communication goes pretty far in that game and you will often have people fuckin around role playing like they're some yankee on the front line lol. Especially on the trucks at the start of the match as you drive to the battlefield, had quite a few hilarious conversations. Closest I've seen in a modern game to that old school kinda vibe.
Miss couch co-op with friends. The social aspect of inviting people over to play games and eat pizza was one of the best things about multiplayer.
I had way more fun in that era of gaming then I've ever had in the current one. Its really sad honestly as we've advanced in technology we've also taken steps back.
I like offline single player story driven games. Jrpgs, arpgs, srpgs, tps, fps, looter shooters, etc. That being said, I like couch co-op, vs games and online gaming too. It's only fun if you have friends now. Back in mw2 lobbies, I could just chat up with whoever. It was great. Met some cool ppl. And douches lol. Dang squealers.
The powers that be want you to feel isolated… the way gaming is going is not just because bad business decisions, chance, or anything like that. This isn’t a coincidence. They want us to feel lonely.
Keep watching corn, not going out and killing yourself goy.
Who's they? No one is stopping people from using game chat, people nowadays just prefer to use party chat. It aint that deep.
Couldn't agree more and the more people are cooped inside the more empty and isolated the outside world becomes.. just go to a Mall or Department Store once a place where people went to meet friends or meet potential love interests is now just an empty space..
@@SaintNyx Bingo not sure how I overlooked the account banning, that's the main reason people don't use in game chat for sure. I had a friend report a private message on Xbox a few years back as a joke to fuck with me and was banned from messaging for 1 week if I remember the punishment right..
@@Aerie1405 Try criticizing them
the real experience missing me more as I grew up was a local COOP.
I think should be more games to COOP(also online CO-OP) and follow the entire story/trama together instead of joining a battleground and throwing bullets at every moving character.
Diablo 4 is possibly the best couch coop game ever.
Ironically so much of what you've talked about here sounds like a reflection of real life for me and others. Sad but I think what's happening to gaming is just a modern reflection of what's happening in modern life today.
Correct. Wokeness has destroyed communication
Good observation I noticed the exact same thing myself. I tie it all back to how desensitized our brains and neurotransmitters have become cause of how much stimulation and easy cheap dopamine access we have. Back before social media and lots of evolutionary leaps in technology things were alot more “primitive” in terms of socializing the way they just simply SHOULD BE. Cheap dopamine has always been arounr cigarettes, booze, porno mags yeah sure but not on any kind of scale today where little Timmy can stare at high speed 5G internet porn in a VR headset while having Mcdonalds DELIVERED to his house puffing on a 5% nic vape.
Things have changed so much in the world and culture in regards to how much dopamine we have access to that we just have all become desensitized to alot of stuff it seems now, hard to find excitement, shock or surprise these days.
This is how I grew up gaming but on PSN😭💔 Mw2, bo1 & MW3 days were the best 100%.
I remember getting into heated arguments & telling people to back out and invite to a private match & both of our teams would all sit back spectating the 1v1.
That’s when things were ACTUALLY competitive, before cheating was more “mainstream”
Take me back….😢
360 was better nk chappy Bluetooth mics lol
You're lucky you didn't talk smack to some psycho. Thats whats changed, literal psychos finding your address and showing up to end you. People or gaming communities are just less trusting and naive now than we were back then.
@@Shmandalf Doxing, swatting, social engineering etc. was way more prevalent during those times.
Tbh, if it wasn’t for those years & experiences…. I would’ve never batted an eye @ the cyber security world. Multiple people have hit me offline, but I was determined to learn how they did it, so I did.
I Gained a lot of knowledge even outside of simply pulling an IP address using tools like Cain & Abel & wireshark lol. Now days, people will tell you that you have to social engineer someone into clicking a link 😂
I actually feel like the vast majority of things have dumbed down to an extent but I get your point
Kids nowadays will never realize how impactful having an internet connection along with the free mic was. It was always a battle between me and my mom using the house phone who would have the single internet connection wire we would fight between!! Nowadays there’s like 20 devices connected to a single Ethernet cable. How the times change man
I feel like a lot of people have just stopped communicating because the toxicity just started to grow out of control. Many just got sick of it and tuned out.
I miss chat. Even during the most heated moments, someone would throw out a great insult and EVERYONE would laugh. Good times.
Gaming is a great token of overall society standing. The hopes and dreams, the social interaction or lack thereof, the way games release all point to how most humans are treated by society. It is one of the best reflections that most tend to cast off as immature, yet a bit of analysis reveals very accurate parallels.
Xbox Live in the 2000s was just something special.
It's gotten even more isolated when you consider that spending time with friends in person playing splitscreen multiplayer used to be the bomb. I remember Friday nights playing Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles or, later, Halo into the early morning hours with three of my friends. We would get pizza and snacks and settle in for a long night. We had tons of laughs and great times. The modern multiplayer experience is already much colder and more isolated even when everyone is talking. But you are right that even that experience has gotten worse as now there are very few people talking or interacting in multiplayer lobbies anymore. We need to start getting together in person with friends and family again for splitscreen and LAN parties.
As a child growing up in the early 2000s, video games were a significant part of my life. However, as I got older, I began to experience social anxiety, which made it challenging for me to interact with others, especially online. Consequently, I rarely connected my microphone while playing games unless I was with close friends. It's quite a contrast to my younger days when I was more outgoing and would strike up conversations with anyone.
same, crazy isnt it. time to make a change cant be this way forever.
Same bro, what happened to us?
@@GeoffreyBronson I think with me I was more carefree when I was younger you know ignorance is bliss, but as I became more aware of the world I shut down more.
@@DLOReactssounds exactly like myself. Hope it works out for you. This ain’t it
@@DelGTAGrndrs likewise. Good luck brother💪
My favorite online multiplayer experience was always MW2 playing hardcore Search and Destroy. Everyone had to have a mic, everyone knew every map, and everyone knew how to play with a team of randoms. Most importantly tho, we’d all chat and come up with strategies to smack talk the other team once we got into the death chat and then the lobby itself
Yup. Used to get together with friends face to face and have fun, now everything is online and antisocial. I believe this dynamic plays into the hands of those in power; an isolated populace is easy to manipulate. People can only be turned against eachother if they don't talk to one another to find out they don't actually hate each other.
I always felt that I could concentrate on a game and play better when I'm not talking to anybody. Like if my friend is with me in a party and I have to speak my skill points go down drastically since it requires attention that could go toward playing the game.
The Xbox 360’s capabilities helped facilitate a genuine and healthy social circle for me and 15 or so of my friends, I remember the general number because we regularly had enough people for a full LAN party plus a few people waiting to rotate in for the next match.
We definitely weren’t super close but we all genuinely enjoyed hanging out, had a shared sense of humor, pitched in money together to get a bunch of food, and spent plenty of time doing other stuff that often lead to us being active around town rather than hidden away in a garage.
I find it depressing that in person multiplayer is pretty much gone these days.
The last time that I truly got a consistently cooperative online experience was the early seasons of Fortnite (Seasons 2-5). From 2019 onwards, I have felt lonelier than ever playing games online, and the lockdown did not help things.
I have fond memories of playing couch co-op games with my friend on his Wii whenever I came to his house. We would play Skylanders, New Super Mario Bros., and Mario Kart Wii on a consistent basis. This was nearly 11 years ago.
Fortnite used to be shit. Now it’s not the same with bots.
Fortnite was always terrible
@@RhynnMedia well that is your opinion of course. but a lot of people consider fortnite season 1-2 to be pretty goated. it was before all the kids piled onto the game, and it was still new and fresh.
I remember playing Black Ops 2, World At War, and Army of Two coop with my friends. The memories are so vivid, and yet so far away.
@Phoenix_T70 I loved world at War
While all the reasons related to technology are somewhat relevant, the biggest reason imo is simply the time we live in.
People genuinely have no empathy for someone online. The chances of you getting attacked by a random stranger in any online game once you expose yourself thru voice chat are very high!
You will hear all kinds of Slurs & genuine fierce hatred coming through your headset.
The guys in the good old days might have claimed to sleep with your mother more than a few times but in the end it was all in the heat of the moment & never felt anything more than banter.
It's different now, bigger egos, less patience, stress & so on & so on.
Sad
My pet theory, the war on toxic behavior has rendered the landscape as such that the only people willing to enhage in smack talk are the ones willing to go wayyyyy too far.
The rest of us who would drop the occasional "your mother" or "f off" or "ck face" or some immature sling dont wanna even bother because its too much trouble.
Millenials ( im a millenial ) just did too much white knighting and managing of people's behavior that all your left with is the asshole who is willing to say the n word.
Closed communities are the solution for that. I lived through the first 12 years of WoW. What killed the game was not the invention of the dungeon browser, but the dissolution of server boundaries that came immediately aftter. Before, you still came across those people you met randomly, social control was still somewhat in effect. Afterwards, it was a completely randomized transaction.
@@dougmasters4561 Ah yes, it's those darn snow flakes who are causing the toxic voice chats, not the... people choosing to be toxic in voice chat. Makes complete sense in every way. /s
I miss those times, nearly 10 years ago, I befriended someone on black ops 2 on ps3, and we still play games together almost every day to this day.
90s gaming was such a vast range of creativity. I love the amount of risk they took on odd concepts in This era- as well as the Dreamcast/PS2/360 era. It should show us that GRAPHICS/Reflections are not the most important thing.. If you can create satisfying movement, gameplay mechanics, physics effects, responsive parts of a environment, a environment that makes you want to explore it, engage it, etc. That stuff is so important. Not just "who can make the largest game world, or a game with the best Graphics." I think Art style, design, vibe, aesthetic is much more important. You don't need top notch graphics to greatly appreciate and enjoy playing that game. That's why we are seeing such a resurgence of players who have gone back to playing older games because they realize the aspects of gaming that they care about and are unhappy with in most modern games. So hopefully gaming will enter a new era. That mixes in aspects of the older era's. With our modern capabilities that will hopefully help make it easier to create a satisfying game. As well as a vast range of game's Instead of everything trying to be Triple AAA or free to play online battle Royale games.. a lot of us miss the options for local multiplayer, split screen, lan parties, or offline modes against bots or other diverse offline CPU game modes.
i think one of the biggest factors is that games have gotten more competitive as time progresses
These changes happened for the very simple reason that harassment was rampant in these lobbies and it takes a lot of time and resources to manage a system for reviewing reports and banning people. It’s way less headache and legal risk for companies to build a game and let users use a dedicated communication platform like Discord.
That makes no sense. You wouldn’t get Banned from voice chat for anything you said in a public lobby for the most part. Now where you get banned is voice messages and texts. It’s an automated system. I doubt some dude scrolls through every single report, unless it has a description
Why should people get banned for harassment on a game. Just mute or block them. If I can go up to your face and say almost anything I want without openly threatening to kill you, without being banned, why is it that way online?
@@jamesonm.7925 i agree
@@jamesonm.7925 because that's not all people do online. The person that made this video forgets that swatting, the term "doxing" booting (ddos attacks) and even "sim swapping" a form of account hacking and identify theft all originated from Xbox live and that era of the gaming scene in north america and europe. It was toxic and people calling you named isn't the only thing they did, if you beat them or muted them and didn't speak to them they'd boot you offline, try and dox and swat you (literally putting your life at risk over video games) they would try and hack into your account, again all of this over fcking video games. There's a reason games like elder scrolls and other single player RPG games are still massively popular and sell tons of copies, because they are single player games. Lets be real if you went to a bar and every time you went there someone called the the n word and slashed your tires and the staff did nothing about it you would never go back. Yet this video wonders why online gaming died, well it died because people killed it. Xbox refused to do anything about people hacking for a long time, they refused to hire competent moderators, the refused to listen to complains even when they came with video evidence of people breaking ToS. So people you guessed it, refused to use their onlinr services the way they were meant too. I still play online gamed from time to time but I never talk to people, if I do it's people I know in real life since they don't have holy grail of anonymity that all 16 year old edgy kids need to feel powerful over a kinect mic. Sorry but it should have been moderated better too many crappy people at a party will mean all the cool ones will just leave and never come back. Thr healthiest online scene I've seen is actually people from South America particularly in Peru who run local and online based street fighter and king of fighters tournaments but basically since they know toxic people will fck it up in order to register you not only need to be invited by a existing member with high reputation, but you also must fully verify your identity in the real world so your Facebook page, ig, your id all that if you wanna play on their servers. They don't allow randoms into their lobbies (yes it can be a bit cliquesh) but because of that they don't have a problem with a-holes online. Who would have guessed that Peru out of all countries figured out how to fix the online issue?
Bruh stop with that bs, most "harrasment" back then wasnt even harrasment. 99% is trash talk was just players in a lobby trying to come up with the most out there and edgy insults a trash talk they could come up with. People who ened up crying or complaining were always just told to leave if they cant handle people just messing around and not genuinely meaning anything they say.
My most memorable and one of my favorite gaming moments I've ever experienced was a little after warzone proximity chat came out, I was playing solo and me and this other guy were in neighboring houses trying to snipe eachother from the windows. We kept missing and we were both just laughing our asses off and joking about how bad we were.
IMO try hards pushed away the casual community and devs catering to the competitive players doesn't help.
Competition makes people talk lol
@@dandre3Knot toxic sweats tho
@@Fomnh Sometimes I guess... do you actually want them to be talkative? I get it lobbies are kinda dryer now but I just disagree with some of these arguments.
@@dandre3K but forcing competition via insane levels of sbmm will make people leave
@@EplusNis4ever Objectively false the data is not in your favor.
This made me think, maybe if more people start actively using game chat, regardless of the game, more people may be more willing to do so because they aren’t talking to a brick wall.
I usually only open my mic as soon as someone else does - and usually it has to be after someone else has responded, so there’s 2. Then I start talking and it’s 3, then all the sudden everyone has mic’s. I think people do have the mic, they’re just scared to use it these days. I think MeToo/The PC Culture movement has something to do with this
I think the biggest problem isn’t even social anxiety, it’s just most online gamers are so toxic. It’s a headache to deal with so most people I know just mute everyone.
@@flavourruling2162 I'd point to swatting and doxxing over the metoo/pc movements, but yeah thats pretty much why imo
Its because everyone wants to be a comtent creator and no one wants to be villified for saying the wrong thing or wemon saying their sexist
I moved to the otherside of the country in 2020 here in Australia, the best way to catch up with friends is getting into discord and playing games over a few beers. Id argue gaming is more social than ever.
Part of it is the censorship of the toxic trash talk; people dont want to interact in an environment where they feel constantly policed.
Play some COD and tell me that there's any "censorship" going on. Can't play for a day without someone blurting out how your sister should get raped, mom should die of cancer, etc etc. Or at the very least call you the N-word.
Tell me again how these companies are discouraging anybody from interacting? Or are they just making a poor effort at discouraging the degenerates that make up a significant portion of the player base from making any well-adjusted individuals feel like doing literally anything else with their time?
Me and my friends have actually put a lot of thought into how encourage players to be more social, and what features are the most important.
1. Proximity/game chat needs to be an option even a lot people will opt out of it. The ability to just casually talk to another player needs to be there to really build upon or heighten the rare silent interactions you still see in games today. A perfect example used to be when I played Apex, and you had a 3v1 in final ring, and the last dude would just be completely outgunned. Sometimes, the winning team would be willing to risk the loss just to take turns doing 1v1 boxing matches with that last player. Imagine being able hype up your friends, or tell the dude straight up your willing to just throw down. Imagine emoting with someone on the otherwise of a window and having more than just a chuckle. Imagine just verbally agreeing to dab out of a firefight because way too many teams are entering the area and both your teams are exhausted and out of resources. These are just off the top of my head examples of dozens of lost opportunities in a genre that should encourage them. And a standard that should be in most games. Competitive players will always do what it takes to win, but why are you removing options for casual and social ones?
2. There is no good reason to remove game lobbies as a feature in matchmaking. From the player perspective it only eliminates special opportunities and engagements that otherwise could exist. A moment to laugh about the last game or get fired up through trash talk only heightens the matchmaking experience. If there is some statistic that shows it lowers player retention, it is still negative psychological manipulation on the part of game devs to get rid of it. It took over 10 years for Halo 3 to deplete to pitiful player numbers on console. If your game can't retain a playerbase very long with matchmaking lobbies, it doesn't deserve that playerbase.
3. SBMM isn't a bad thing, but it needs to be strictly kept to ranked/competitive modes. If I want to fool around casually online, I shouldn't need a fully functional match browser to find. Sometimes you just want yo join a queue and see what happens. But what happens has to have variety.
4. A custom games browser is always a good option because when all else fails. Players can still make the lobbies they want to see.
So many great points made here but #2 resonated the most. Made so many friends/frienemies playing Gears of War and Halo just from the lobby and post-match experience.
Been a struggle to grow up in these troubling financially burdened times. I am so grateful I got to experience this era in gaming. Was 12 when xbox origional launched and 16 when halo 2 came out. Those were the golden years of gaming. from really 2000 -2010 that decade was peak and I miss it 😢
I would say 1990 to 2015 was peak gaming.