AMD Ryzen 7 3800X vs. 3700X, What's The Difference?
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3700X should have been called 3700 and 3800X should have been called 3700X.
agree
3700X should be the specs of the 3800X and the 3800X shouldn't exist.
The 3700 has been leaked. It will actually come out later this year.
Thought I heard a rumor that there could be a 3700 coming soon..
Nah. That basically eliminate the possibility of a cheaper 3700.
It's weird that despite the 3800X seems a horrible value compared to the 3700X, it's a damn bargain against the 9900K
For me there was only 20€ difference between them, so i obviously took the 3800x
@@mrhappyfaq32 In Brazil was exactly the same price...I don't know why
@@matheuscaldas lol thats not a hard choice
@@mrhappyfaq32 35€ for me but since i won't be upgrading for the next 4 to 6 years then i might as well spend the extra cash. Still using a 4770k as of now. Made the mistake of jumping the gun and buying the cpu first now i have to wait 2 months to have the money for the ram and mobo so i hope i wont have anh problems with it. I need more self control.
UPDATE: Turns out i didn't have to wait, got myself 3200mhz ddr4 and a crosshair V8 motherboard which is overkill but might as well.
@@alienufoweird also upgraded from a 4770k, night and day difference
The difference is 100X such a simple question duh lol
its only 100, because x is a common factor
@@james2042 No, silly, the DIFFERENCE is 100X. If you were taking a factor, it would be 1.(027) recurring!
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Well +100x is 3800 and 2x so he is right
@@james2042 No
no shills, no frills and straight to the point. This is why I'm subbed and have the bell icon on for HU!
I also have notifications on as well
Same! HU! HU! HU!
You are discussing the Silicon Lottery binning INCORRECTLY! They don't bin for top stability, they bin for frequency at a specific voltage. That means not that there is 150MHz more headroom. It means that the chips from the 3700X are not likely to hit the higher frequency within the voltage envelope set for the binning category. SL is not saying the 3700X cannot hit 4.3GHz, they are saying that it is not likely to hit that at the 1.3V, which is the top bin of the 3800X. You could theoretically get there with 1.35-1.45V and be perfectly stable. But that is a lot of voltage to do the same thing the 3800X top bin is doing with 1.3V.
The reason you bin frequency at a voltage is to find chips that can use less voltage to achieve higher frequencies, which are usually the best candidates for overclocking, especially with LN2. It's not a guarantee, but it has a higher probability.
You were not the only outlet that covered this in this way, and I have commented on their sites as well. Just letting you know for future content. This is about frequency at specific voltages, not just frequency.
Get a 3700x and spend the rest of the money on upgrading the CPU Cooler for better thermals and low noise.
My advice is to spend it on better gpu. ;-)
If you are just gaming and maybe doing some medium video editing / rendering, the 3700X will be enough for the next ~5-6 years I think. But I agree with Eldo here, the stock cooler of a 3700X is usually good enough - better save that money for a future GPU upgrade or something :)
thermalright macho cooler is a must have
@@eldoeldon8131 assuming you don't have one
@@Beos_Valrah the cooler is good enough but an aftermarket air cooler would help me sleep better at night so when i upgrade from from my i5 8400 will def be sticking with stock cooler and putting the money towards a 2070 depending on price as i wont have the money til next year end of May beginning of June at the earliest. The upgrade will be epic from this current machine with a 1050 ti
I just built a 3700x with 16 gigs of 3600 mhz ram and a 2070 super. Kick ass gaming machine!
hi! can you write down the full specs please like your cooling, ssd/hdd, case and mobo?
@@lain8239 The case is Cougar full tower Panzer Max and I have corsair DDR4 3600 memory with the asRock x470 master sli/ac. I am using the AMD Prism cooler that came with the CPU. Be warned this motherboard will only support 3566 mhz not the full 3600. It's just 33mhz so no big deal. I am using a Samsung 500 SSD and a WD 2tb Black. The system runs great.
@@mrsudz I plan on making this exact build thanks, I just might upgrade the motherboard because I won't be able to update the bios to run the new gen CPU's
@@mrsudz bro i want build my first pc can you please tell me good case with rgb and glass? with good airflow
@@TheRomi18 What's your price range?
really great video! helped me out a bunch, thanks :D
The lack of an R5 3600 in the gaming benchmarks was inconvenient.
Well, we're one week away from September...any 3950X rumours Steve?
well, it's going to be released next month. What rumors you want?
It's definitely not going to clock higher than 4ghz all core.
the only thing ive heard about it was from lisa su i think. she said it would come when yields were higher. i think she mentioned a yield number but i dont remember
@@madd5 A release date would be nice.
Yes, where is this thing? I'm hoping to drop in my Crosshair Hero VIII ASAP!
@@madd5 shutup dweeb
3700x and 3600 best perf./money on market new cpu 2019.
You are right. On the other side ; 3600X and 3800X are unnecessary CPUs...
I bought 3600X because 3600 might be shortage in my country, and I dont want to wait.
@@allen15967 , respect to your choice of course. But i mean. Maybe AMD shouldnt release 3600X and instead of 3600X AMD should produce more 3600. Becouse with 50$ difference you can buy much better cooler for 3600. Anyway enjoy your 3600X in games :)
No, the 2600, 1600 & 1200 all beats them.
9700 non k better
I knew exactly what's the conclusion and I'm having 3700X in my system already but I needed to play something meanwhile I eat my pizza...
lol. That's what I'm doing now. Just checking if my build was value enough. Ryzen 7 3700x FTW
Thanks for your run-down of these parts. I have the 3800X because I have not yet been able to pick up a 3900X (always sold out), and on release day +1 when I bought the CPU, the 3700X was also unavailable. The 3800X sits on an Aorus x570 Master with 32GB (2x16)DDR4 cl16 @ 3800/1900. I am happy with it and have no regrets.
Nice you got 3800/1900 on your ram
3800 MHz is past the 1:1 mode for Infinity Fabric. It only goes up to 3733 in that mode - it should give you a bit more performance when you stay at, say, 3600 MHz for example.
@@Beos_Valrah nope you can manually set infinity fabric to 1900 ( stability is not guaranteed not all chips can do 1900 on the infinity fabric) so if you can do 3800 on ram and 1900 on IF and get good low CL timing your good,, If you can't do 1900 on the IF then yes you should use 3600(ram)/1800(IF) as you get bonkers high latency if the ram to infinity fabric is not 1:1
@Ganondorf
I think you may be confusing dividers. The divider is for UCLK (memory controller clock), IF actually can be set freely. In fact, it was known from the very first leak of these options, but it has been poorly reported by some websites (some mistaking FCLK and UCLK). Check out Google (always your friend) some forums like overclocknet, and perhaps most relevant to this medium - Some tubes from Buildzoid on the subject. The factor that limits what you can do is as always - silicon lottery. As adjusting these settings is CPU dependent e.g., IMC and infinity fabric of your particular specimen, and your rams. My latency 63.4ns - not bad.
@@leexgx So how do you explain the slide from AMD then? forums.tomshardware.com/threads/clarifying-ryzen-3000-memory-overclocking.3501092/
Man! your channel is extremely informative.. All the questions that I have been having about my build, are being answered here. specifically related to pc Parts and which ones to pick and choose. Subscribed to your channel. Keep up the good work!
Those of us who have a 3800x have a better clubhouse than you guys who purchased a 3700x!
Hmmm? A 3700X with a 5700XT or a 3800X and a 5700? I know which clubhouse I'd rather be in.
Yeah... the one that's next to "i',ll buy intel because 2fps more" clubhouse. And yes, i have a 3700x.
@@ants9230 Well more of a 3800x + 2080ti
@@ants9230 3600 + 5700 for me, because they add to 9300 without any nasty coefficients like xt or x.
So they're essentially just selling a better binned / baseline-overclocked 3700X as another model. Got it.
If it is better binned, why the power consumption?
sometimes it just looks like they are capping frequency in 3700X exact at 4.4Ghz to sell and say 3800X is better binned cpu...when is a lot of firmware and locked freq.
Should have been 3700/3700x instead of 3700x/3800x but idrc
Uhh.. you realize that the 3970,3960,3950,3900,3800,3700,3600 and ALL the other ZEN 2 chips, are the SAME compute chiplets that are only differentiated by better bins right?
Loved that joke at 6:54, had to laugh so hard!
You could hardly hold yourself, right? 🤣🤣🤣
I didn't get it. Is it because xeons are overpriced?
Throwing some TechYes Shade lol
@@doug2bitemore oh, thanks
@@doug2bitemore oh, thanks
@Alistair I find that faux fight faintly frustrating. I like what some of the guys are doing with the Xeons out of China. I haven't followed suite because I just have too much build to do, but I would for the fun. Yes, just get a Ryzen is the correct answer but it depends on the question. Some regions the Xeon route makes a lot of sense- I would do it if I could find a convincing use case for a server type build that had lots of memory and cores but I was happy enough with 2Ghz CPU. That said, currently the prices don't add up into the UK. And if the 3700X runs out we might see a change of attitude as well.
It be nice to see if the 3800X can be undervolted to the 3700X wattage level, and re-running the benchmarks
the 3800x can, it still ends up being EVER SO SLIGHTLY (like almost margin of error) faster than a 3700x when undervolted. the better binned processor chiplet is slightly (LIKE REALLLY SLIGHTLY) faster @ same clocks.
@@djmccullough9233 so I should just buy a 3700x rather than spending 50usd more for 3800x
@@lateshpatil5307 if you can get a good deal on the 3800x, get it. Ive seen it reciently as low as 310. That being said, unless you are putting a crazy cooling system (noctua 15d) to get the tiny bit of extra overclocking headroom ( only bout 1-200 mhz) then just get the 3700x. Its about 98% as fast as the 3800x. For me, i perfer having spent more as the chip does seem to have a tiny bit more pep to its step. If i were you, get the 3700x, and some ddr4 3600 cl14 ram and then set the timings with the ryzen dram calculator. I believe that would be the most bang for the buck.
@@djmccullough9233 I'm thinking of getting 3700x so as to save 50 bucks and put them in my GPU
@@lateshpatil5307 the 3700 and 3800 get a huge boost from from that optimized ram, that might actually provide the same amount of performance that the 50 bucks would add to your gpu. Either faster ram or gpu, a good place for that 50$ :)
A year later the diffrence in price, at least in Europe, is like 10$ and together with general discount makes it a really nice part
I just ran CineBench R20 and scored 4920 with my out of the box 3700x. I haven't done anything yet just hooked it up with a 40$ dollar cooler from previous build. I also tried the CPU-Z test with an even closer result. I bought it for workload and gaming and it is perfect. No complaints for me, 0 issues out of the box
My 3800x hits 51xx out of the box no PBO.
@@everborn3406 Trying to justify your purchase, I see ;)
@@Beos_Valrah nah, I know it wasnt worth it before I bought it. Just bought it because the $70 doesn't bother me /shrug
@@everborn3406 lol it's all good, I was just joking :)
Insert, 1700 vs 1700x vs 1800x video here.
3:05 Cinebench R20
3:27 Adobe Premier
3:41 Blender
-- Games --
3:55 Assassins Creed Odessy
4:13 Battlefield V
4:27 Division 2
4:35 Shadow of Tomb Raider
-- Power Consumption --
4:47
I ordered a 3700x through amazon and had a nightmare experience with the retailer I selected, who I eventually found out lost the package.
After much confusion I finally received a replacement unit from them today. Turns out they sent me a 3800x instead.
Not what I intended but at the same price I’ll take it!
Lucky
What is the difference?
In my country, 3800x is cheaper than 3700x 😂
@darkinfinity1011 _ I'm also impatient af
Buy the 3700X and spend the $70 on a high end Noctua cooler.
Or a better GPU.
Yes. The blue screen of death will be in the future
When I upgraded my CPU, I went in to buy a 3700x but the 3800x was on sale for the same price. Got the 3800x.
I did the same, for the same price as the 3700x the 3800x was a no brainer.
Just bought the 3700X. For an extra 10 bucks, I could have got the 3800X. Trying to convince myself that I still received the better one. But I dunno. Kinda screwed myself. Or did I? Tell you what, 12% more power consumption sounds like a much higher electricity bill.
My 2700x can run 4.175 all day long and regularly has mulitiple cores clocking up to 4.2, and spikes to 4.3ghz quite often, at between 1.35/1.43v, on Auto w/Ryzen balanced power plan, and the highest temp I ever saw was 65c in Timespy, normal game temps are around 50/55c, I have the DeepCool Castle 240 Pro AIO. My CrossHair VII Hero VRM's Never go above 50c, Load line calibration settings at level 5, power phase response 130%/ 120% respectively, VRM Switching frequency 400khz, and under most conditions stays around 45c, and I have my Trident Z CL14 kit clocked to 3400mhz with 16-16-16-32-48 all day timings. I don't see any reason to upgrade! Your impeccable testing Mr Steve, has made my mind up.
The nice thing about the 3800X is it can handle heavier workloads without enabling pbo. It won't throttle even on prime 95 avx
I would love to see a test of ram and infinity fabric between these cpus to see if the memory controller is binned as well.
That seems to be a binning on the 3600 vs 3600X, from what I remember.
The 3700x is a single chiplet design while the 3800x is a dual chiplet design. The read bandwidth is the same but the write bandwidth for the 3800x is double the 3700x.
please include 1440p benches as well in your videos, i know its a CPU bench so you need to eliminate GPU bottleneck, but its also great to see the differences when you go up with the resolution.
3700X is a fantastic value for the money CPU! It will go down in history as the venerable Intel Core -i7-2700K-
EDIT: Oops, I meant i7-2600K.
And the R5 3600 as the venerable Intel Core i5-2500K.
I told a friend the same, 3rd gen Ryzen is like Sandy Bridge all over again, minus the high overclocking, but who cares.
3700x will for sure not go down in history anywhere near a 2700k. I’m all for AMD but you can’t compare them
@@JaceFalcon Oh yeah, we'll see some big gains from 3D stacking, DDR5 and other advances. For gaming though? The consoles are going to have 8 core Zen 2 processors clocked in the low 3s (most likely). If you buy a 3700x now for gaming, you're probably set for most of the next console generation if you're targeting 60fps, especially if you're gaming over 1080p. Ryzen 3000 should last a while.
@Manny Santiago Yes sir. AMD's real value is in their entry level cpu's and I adore them for it. The 1600 was the best value of all time, then the 2600 was the best value of all time, and now its the 3600. 3-D statues of Lisa Su need to come next.
I went with the 3800X for $147 with tax at Best Buy. This price includes $230 in gift cards, reward points, and markdown ($355 on sale).I figured the 3800x was the binned version of the 3700X. I'm stable at 4.375 GHZ all core at 1.35 volts on Asus X470 using DDR 3600. My idle temps stays around 38C, gaming 68C, CPU benchmarks 76C on water cooling. In terms of boost clocks without OC the highest was 4.350 GHZ, 4.250 was the normal and 4.125 was the lowest.
@@lifemocker85 Makes sense, runs a bit faster as I've hit 4.525 GHZ after updating my bios recently. For essentially the same price during Black Friday it was the better buy. You can squeeze a bit more overclocking out of it as well but that's when your temps go crazy. Anywho if the price between the 3800X and 3700X is less than $30 go with the 3800X.
Thanks for including the 8700k in your comparisons. That's my current cpu.
About those XEON systems you mentioned. A guy I know in Australia is looking for 2 E5-1680-V2's. Would you happen to have any? Or maybe you know someone who does? Please let me know, and I'll get you guys in touch. Just trying to help him out. No X79 should be without that XEON!
Thanks in advance.
He was trying to joke that Xeons are overpriced. But he kind of missed it by specifying OLD Xeons, those actually sell at such a discount that they're not bad. I bought an old 2cpu server and it was a good deal, though it would probably be better to buy a Ryzen now, but those weren't out yet at the time. At least my ram (8 channels of 32 gigbytes of DDR 3!) was very cheap.
It's 2021, and I got the 3700x in 2019, and in BIOS my 3700x is at 4.2ghz all cores. Temps are within the 30 to 40 degrees celsius with "normal" web browsing, multiple tabs open, etc. and when gaming, it only gets as high as around 67 degrees, all air system. Gaming with my B450 gaming pro cabon motherboard, Rtx 2060 super fe, 16gb 3600mhz ram at 1440p... is stutter free and high frame rates. am happy with what I have, and will probably wait until 2022 until the 3rd gen prices drops (specifically the 5800x) and upgrade then. (BTW guys, the 3700x is 7nm, not 12nm as indicated in the video.) Cheers, and good job Hardware Unboxed!
I tried to get a 3700X for weeks here in Canada - nobody ever kept any in stock. Eventually I ponied up for the 3800X because it was there - I run 4.1 all-core at stock voltage with a Captain 240 AIO at 33*C all day. I’m happy with it.
Tldr : use the money saved from 3800x to buy 3700x + $50 cooler to outright beat 3800x
Depends on the build. If you're doing a SFF case the 3800X is the much better choice because of undervolting potential which means a much higher held frequency at a given temperature target.
Period.
@@ravenshrike Thats assuming you have no budget limit, i am pretty sure you can buy an 120mm aio over an sff air cooler with the extra $50
Very nice to include the 7700K numbers, since I can now relate exactly to my current hardware and think about making upgrades!
As a 6700k user I don't see much of an upgrade unless there is a specific productivity task and personally as a 4k gamer the margins would be even closer. So unless my current system died I might hold out till next offering of Ryzen
i think AMD was expecting much better, because they binned the chips really well. The second possibility is that the 'bad' chips are better than expected, but I doubt that.
I think EPYC is using up so many of the highest binned chiplets that AMD has struggled to make 3800Xs. That's also why the 3950X doesn't launch until September. Also, the 3900X needs high binned chiplets with only 6 functional cores but is in short supply because the 48- and 24-core EPYCs need them too. No wonder Threadripper 3000 won't happen until 2020.
Have these chips been delided to compare what's under the hood? For me what makes more sense here is the 3700x has two chiplets which have defective cores and don't clock as high so the TDP and price can be low but the 3800x is just one chiplet so that there's no latency delay, it's a fully working chiplet and a high clocking chiplet, this explains the TDP and price.
The reason I bought a 3800x is that I knew I wouldn't be able to overclock, so I got the cpu with a slightly higher clock speed. Still 100€ cheaper than a 9900K.
Same here! Arriving on monday, excited! It will be paired with a Noctua D15S.. How are your temps?
IMO if you were spending that much money, you should have gone the extra mile and bought an i9 9900K(F) or R9 3900X.
Just bought the 3700X. For an extra 10 bucks, I could have got the 3800X. Trying to convince myself that I still received the better one. But I dunno. Kinda screwed myself. Or did I? Tell you what, 12% more power consumption sounds like a much higher electricity bill.
3800X basically a "Factory-OC version" of 3700X, just like if you buy a GPU reference version vs "Factory OC version"
No, every one of the zen 2 chips are actually running the SAME compute chiplets. The difference is, some of them will perform at better clocks than others. Those that perform better, get a spot on a higher tier of cpu. The most power efficient chiplets get put in the Epyc line (and likely thread ripper) those that have no defects, are fast, but may require a bit more power than the BEST of the 8 core chips, are put in the 3800x, those chips that need undervolting (or that amd binning testing says could benefit from undervolting) are applied to the 3700x. There is some hint that the chiplets of the 3800x are ever so tiny bit faster than the 3700x's at same clocks/voltage. (when i say ever so freaking slightly, i mean, WAAY freaking slightly. like .5% or something like that.)
It's not the demand, it's just the availability. There's yet to be a single 3900X in Finland, coming soon 2 months after release.. And similar story all over Europe, dunno how there. But we do have 3800x:es, not that it's any consolation :)
Me and a mate just bought a 3700X each for our new builds. Glad to have saved $100 which im putting towards an AIO.
3800X is useless since you can get 97% of it's performance by getting 3700x instead
Either you should buy 3700x, or jump into 3900x
No use of getting 3800x for $70 more
for me.. I have 2600 and I will upgrade to 4700x in 2020 (same 7nm, but it's 7nm EUV).. which will have better density + higher clocks
Hopefully, as we don't actually know
@@Tallnerdyguy
AMD already says next Gen will have 7nm EUV.. Search Google and check about 1-2 month old news, you will find it (search with Zen 3) keyword
@@Jack_Sparrow131 as rumor. From places like wccftech and redgaming tech, all rumor mills
@@Jack_Sparrow131 Yea same probobly will depend on the price might get 4600 instead if it will exist. Any info if they ll be supported on a b350 motherboard ? Currently I have no reason to upgrade from my r5 1600. Got it at 3.8 ghz on all cores handles anything so far.
@@Mario2x2
Am not 100% sure, but AMD says that AM4 socket will be supported up to 2020.. which means B350/B450 are mostly gonna support Ryzen 4000 Series
The thing is.. they will support it but they might do some compromises like lacking some small features (mostly it's features wih no real impact on performance)
I have the 3800X, I love it.
I got it for $329 on thanksgiving, no regrets.
Me too
3700x was only 20 cheaper for me so i took the 3800x
Great cpu, no regrets even with the stock cooler 4,4ghz all cores
Yup. It was only like 20-30 bucks more for me, and the 3700x was sold out when I was ready to buy it.
The only reason I just got the 3800x instead is that you get the outer worlds and borderlands for free when you get it whereas the 3700x only allows you to choose 1 and since I was getting both those games already I actually saved money by getting a better cpu.
The 3800x should be a 10/20 c/t processor
Got a 3800x because there was no 3700x available, it's over clocked to 4.4ghz
And it's a beast 😃
Same here, lost patience waiting for the 3700X to come back into stock, so bought a 3800X instead.
I currently get 5037 in Cinebench R20, that's by using Ryzen Master to manually set the all core speed to 4.3GHz and 1.3 Volts, no other changes done (i.e. not touched my memory settings yet).
@@TheBoothy666 haha same here! I couldnt find 3700x with msrp prices so i picked up the 3800x for about 20 quid more. I bet it will can maintain 4.4 if lucky 4.5ghz all core oc . Will be playing with it once i get it.. in a week or so
My 3700x is set at 4375 on all cores easy and i just have Asus prime pro x470
i got a 3700x which can also do 4.4, i think its quite lucky as i only need 1.375 volts.
Why not add tue 3600 in the Chart. Would like to see the difference
The thing is, if you buy a CPU primarily for gaming, the 3600 is the way to go, as it has basically the exact same performance in gaming compared to these 2 for much cheaper. You'll maybe have a 5 to 10 fps difference in some titles. Not worth the extra money for me at least, but if you do rendering and require more multi-core performance, then sure, go for one of these 2.
@@quintusdupreez1 Or if you stream on YT or twitch on one PC. Or if you want a more future proof CPU over the 3600x
Just bought the 3700X. For an extra 10 bucks, I could have got the 3800X. Trying to convince myself that I still received the better one. But I dunno. Kinda screwed myself. Or did I? Tell you what, 12% more power consumption sounds like a much higher electricity bill.
Very helpful video! I was very confused by the huge jump in TDP rating on the 3800x. For my workload, I think I'm better suited for a 3700x just based on the cost to performance savings alone, not just upfront but the long term operating costs. I'm not so strapped for processing power that I need the 3-6% gains at that price point. Thanks for helping me make an informed purchase!
At least it's more exciting than the 2080 super review.
Nah, at least that had a %7 performance uplift
Yeah for $100 more, I just went for the 3900X. Took me 3 damn weeks to be able to snag one from Newegg though
Bro Forreal everytime I go on newegg they are sold out. As soon as they get in stock they are sold out like 5 minutes again
Because of the current stock issues (I think) you can find 3800X at the same and sometimes slight lower price.
Please bring the old intro back, I really miss it
Also great videos guys :)
Steve, please do a cpu cooler comparison on the R5 3600, I was thinking maybe: stock vs hyper 212 vs high end air cooler vs AIO. Thanks, keep up the amazing content.
So 3800x DOA just as many predicted.
I immediately thought this when they first showed the new CPUs at Computex.
@@Beos_Valrah the numbers should've been a red flag to anyone not drinking the cool-aid.
65 watts vs 105 watts, and ryzen isn't renowned for it's scaling towards higher power.
Freaking best format for technology info thanks for the updates on stuff I cannot afford but still desire to know about
Great review but i think that its a good thing to have TDP information display in product spec. To me it does matter which component consumes less power and generates less heat, it specially makes sense in comparisons like this where the TDP is much higher on more expensive processor while performance is slightly increased (by 3% as you said). So its logical to buy 20% cheaper product with 3% lower spec and much lower power consumption.
Still waiting for the 3900X to become available on Amazon to do my new build.
you really think people that buy these cpus are going to be gaming at 1080p exclusively? really need to add some higher resolution benchmarks, man
yes. we will. lcd monitors look best at their native resolution. why buy a 4k monitor and have to buy a $1000 every year to keep playing the latest games? i want my investments to last a while.
Bought a 3700x and realized I wont do much with it, returned it the next day and bought a open box 3600 for 150 on marketplace, no regrets.
Hi Steve great video as always! On your temperature tests do you use the Tdie/Tctl or the Motherboard CPU temperature reading? Cheers!
all good but 3800x according to people using it clocks higher when manually overclocked would love to see how far can u push it.
pokemon1666 I have barely any idea how to overclock my 3800x and I’m at 4.350v @ 1.35v. Sits at roughly 37*C, gaming at 45*C and under heavy benchmarks never breaks past 70*C with a 240mm AIO. It’s better silicon. It’s the cheapest silicon lottery win on the planet.
In the UK the difference on Amazon is like £20-£40 I think so I'd just rather get the name and bin of the 3800X
Only because the price of the 3700X has gone up :p Was more like £100 difference a couple of weeks ago.
nah its more than £20-£40, maybe when the 3800x is on a good sale it will be that low,
@@Teppic11Kinda, but its a bit of both. 3700X has gone up by £20 and the 3800X has gone down by £20-£30.
@@Barney-ii1no 3700X is £320 and 3800X is £350-£360, £350 was the other day.
Saw this coming before it came. When AMD posted the specifications on their website after announcing them at Computex, I already questioned, $70 for 100 MHz, nothing else? 3700X is clearly the best deal in terms of longevity and price to performance.
that's why I bought 3700X for $299 from Microcenter. The difference is too little to pay that much more.
the price difference has dropped a lot, so I think at this point an extra $20 for a better binned CPU is worth it
Beardedcap that’s what I though too
So should I get the 3800x than instead of the 3700x? Cuz I wanna try streaming out and try to learn video editing while playing 1440p on games or would I be better off with the 3600?
Just bought the 3700X. For an extra 10 bucks, I could have got the 3800X. Trying to convince myself that I still received the better one. But I dunno. Kinda screwed myself. Or did I? Tell you what, 12% more power consumption sounds like a much higher electricity bill.
@@MidnightPodcast I went through 2 3800xs in a month, first one degraded quickly, ran a noctua cooler and it was still hotter than I'd liked and it completely died. The one I exchanged for also degraded within a month and I went back to intel. Been running a i9-9900k since and been happy.
just look at power consumtion of 3800X vs 9900K. In GPU reviews we hear a lot - oh that is so much efficient, so that should be chosen as it is good. And yet still, when talking about CPUs 9900K is still a gaming king using 65W more.
Jānis Krūmiņš people who are using i9 9900k usually don’t care for power efficiency since a lot will be using really high end gpus like 2080 and above and be honest I personally care for performance over efficiency. So a i9 9900k best for me and this coming from someone who has both 3900x and i9 9900k.
9900K is outdated tech with high power consumption and numerous security flaws. I wouldn't buy any Intel aside from Laptop in 2019.
Kanan my thing about secure flaws once they known intel already bios date for it and be honest all security flaws always come around AMD launches new products so I take everything with grain of salt.
One other thing is intel don’t even care about consumer platform since like 5% of revenue so consumer stuff is always outdated which mean ryzen 3 gen is too since it cut Version of epic/threadripper
@@user-ss7bb1ll2u i am more thinking about reviewers. In one place they hight value efficiency and in other, they just do not mention that at all. Also, 2080 is not high-end it is just costs a lot, 2080Ti sort of is.
The 3800x is now only $339USD and the 3700x is now $324USD(on Amazon), do you now think that the price difference is worth it?
The issue I see is that at stock 3800X will use more electricity and be noisier & warmer...
I'm guessing people were sending so many comments in because they couldn't see why you didn't just buy one. Some of those people had one in their system and wanted to see how it would stack up from their fav benchmark king.
Another 3800X "review" that is completely missing the point. The 3800X is binned and therefore will overclock much better. I can run my 3800X at 4.4 all cores 24/7 at 1.34V. I have yet to see a 3700X that does 4.4 all cores at any voltage. Unless you are reviewing the overclocking ability of the 3800X, you are missing the point. If you don't plan to run any manual settings or overclock the 3700X is the smarter buy.
Well that was worth paying $70 US more for then 🤣 also that's guaranteed isn't it? Finally that point wasn't missed at all, I literally opened with binning information.
@@Hardwareunboxed The mention of the binning is appreciated, first review I have seen that does state that. The numbers you show look very similar to mine, stock, ~4250 all cores etc. But I think either manual tuning or future BIOS refinements is where this chip will shine. Bone stock on a Taichi X470 I have 3 cores that will hit 4500 on Cinebench single benchmark and all cores with do at least 4400 on the same bench. You have to tune manually to get all-core clocks that far exceed the 3700X. I just feel the review shorts the 3800 a bit since a binned chip is compared to a lesser chip, but all stock settings are used. Stock for stock they are pretty much the same thing, thus the very close results. Bench the 2 CPU at the absolute best stable you can get out of them both and I think you will find $70 more is a steal. Either way, really appreciate the comment and love the work you guys do, keep it up!
$70 for 1 FPS.. Bargain!!
These days, and has been going on for the last 5 years, you pay for bragging rights, for MOAR numbers posted on your profile, on your favorite bragging forums.
It’s more then that
Its always not about fps smartass
I would recommend a small change to the info graph where it has "7nm/12nm". something like "7nm(c)/12nm(i/o)".
Then again it could just make it more confusing than it already is. I'm pretty sure most everyone watching this channel knows what photolithography goes to what part but making it a little easier (maybe) for those that don't might help?
I don't feel that's necessary. The IO die will never be on a smaller process than the core die(s) so it should be obvious which one is which to anyone who cares.
@@johnm2012 yeah we didn't care about Northbridge lithography back in the days so not really relevant for most people, even techies.
@@johnm2012 then it shouldn't even be listed if that is the case
@@Azureskies01 Maybe not but it's the first time chiplets have been used so there's a degree of interest at the moment.
Honestly a true TDP rating would be better than relative ratings of real world coolers because companies can go out of business, models discontinued or quality decreasing as a cost-cutting measure. It would make the ratings obsolete as time passes while watts are a constant.
Makes me happy my 2700x is stable at 4.3 ghz at 1.39 v.
Ryzen 7 1700 4.05ghz @1.375v
I think your 2700X would only see a performance gain of like 10% from upgrading to a 3700X.
3800x is overclockers cpu
3700x casuals
whatever helps you feel justified bro lmao
Correct
that's what I'm thinking. I seen the silicon lottery chart for the 3700x and the 3800x and it's pretty obvious I agree.
Thanks for the great comparison. It feels like you guys lucked out though, getting a better-than-average 3700x, which might make this review end up closer than it ought to be, given the numbers from Silicon Lottery. It would be interesting to see a real-world performance comparison at the key clock speeds in their chart, to give buyers a good idea how much difference that does or doesn't make.
Your not lying.
My 3700x is crazy.
It beats the 3900xt in Geekbench 5.
And my fps is always much higher than the YT vids,
When my gpu is often weaker than the one’s i find in the vids.
Where do you find a chart like that with binning info?
3700X best buy of the rest of 2019 for anyone who does a bit more than just basic gaming.
Also more future-proof than 3600. Of course, best results and longevity from 3900X, for those that can afford one (OR can find one in stock anywhere....)
3800X and 3600X should not have existed, they are clearly just a money grab from the uninformed.
Future proof does not exist with AM4's longevity. Buy the 3600 if you don't need 12 cores atm. And if you need more power down the years, just upgrade the CPU to a higher tier. But then, its cheaper.
Today, i can buy a 8 Core Ryzen 2700 for 175€. The 2700X for 215€. When the 3600 is losing its grip, just upgrade. Or replace the entire system with a new Zen3 & DDR5 platform.
Every CPU between the 3600 and the 3900X is overpriced and bad value in general. There is no reason to buy a 3700-3800X.
If you need power now, then buy power, namely the 12 Core 3900X. If you don't need power, then you don't need the 3700-3800X CPUs either. It just makes no sense to buy them. They are too expensive!
If you "just" need 8 Cores for what ever arbitrary reasons. Then go for the 2700? But again, people are willing to throw out $200+ for what, 1 min. faster rendering time, or up to 10 FPS more? Thats just bad.
do you guys think i should by the 3800 instead of the 3700 the 3800 is on special for 30 more dollars than the 3700
Yes. I did. Hitting 4.5 GHz on all cores.
I like that you use the division 2 as a benchmark it beats the crap out of my 1650 laptop lol
Here in Brazil you can find 3800x cheaper than 3700x, just bought mine.
Same in my country! Going to buy the 3800x in January
So... the 3800x has the same relevance the 1800x had.
Even Less. The 1800x was the AM4 flagship at least. But this time we have the 3900x.
@Transistor Jump not yet..
You missed one major fact between these 2 CPUs and the rest of the line. They both have only 1 chiplet. That means lower core to core latency.
I don't get it, they both have the same configuration and two chiplets is better anyway.
@@Hardwareunboxed latency.?! FPS shooters might benefit from that, plus the big cache. There might be a slight problem with the cooling these chips, all zen in general but especially these 2. The heat source is not in the center and the coollers are designed to cool the middle of the cpu. Most of them anyway. And yes they both are the same. I think 3700x is the best AMD CPU for gaming because of that chiplet.
So it is the same thing as with the 3600 and 3600X, the performance difference between the 3700x and 3800x is so small that maybe is not worth to pay 70-80$ more for the 3800x.
Yes, Steve. You knew you would see me here. At this higher price point I don't see the need to buy the 3800x. However, you are going to see in time that for non overclockers, the 3600x is well worth the $39 at the lower price point. On Passmark, the 3600 rating is going down, while the 3600x is going up. Once more people bench their cpus there, you will see a 5 to 6% difference between them.
Only reason to buy 3800X is to one up your smarter friend that bought himself a 3700X.
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Silicon Lottery must've gotten a ton of duds. Everyone I know with a 3700X, including me, can push 4.20GHz all cores without breaking a sweat.
I have one doing 4.475Ghz 1.38v all core,rock solid. 4.5 is doable but it needs over 1.425vcore.
Thanks for that Video! You helped me alot to decide between these two CPUs
Remember when at around the turn of the millenium we quickly went from like 300Mhz to 1500Mhz CPU's? (And Intel f**ed up with that 1.13Ghz P3 melting the whole time and those terrible chipsets.)
What was the voltage that you had to run the 3700x at to get the 4.3ghz?
@Howard Murphy so did this channel about 2-3 videos ago
mine runs at 4.380 mhz on standart settings(in turbo boost) and I bought thermalright macho 120 cooler(for about 35$) and under heaviest loads in rpcs3 emulator it doesn't go more then 68 degrees C
Emulation yea but are you running an all core overclock are you just letting pbo handle it?
just got a 3800X for christmas
nice
I got the 3800x as it is now £40 off the 3700x and has a higher chance of getting the infinity fabric at 1900 so I can run ram at 3800mhz (need a x570 board first as been working fine in my x370 board at 3533mhz witch was a surprise)
It looks like AMD keeps putting the 3800x on sale cheaper then 3700x... or $10-$15 more. When the price get that close it make little more sense
wow glad I have a 2700x.
The 3800x makes no sense at all. If anything, it should had been a 10 core 20 thread CPU that would had sat in the sweet spot between the higher end 3900x and 3700x on the low end.
There's no possible way that AMD could make a 10-core. They're working with chiplets this time around. They're piecing together bits of silicon to give you your processor. I think they're using 3-core chiplets but somebody could prove me wrong with the correct number.
That is not possible. You can only have an even number of cores per CCD, because the CCX need to have the same amount of cores. So only 4, 6 and 8 is possible. And then you have 2x6 and 2x8 with the two chiplets. And 2x4 just doesn't make sense, maybe for a budget chip if they produce a lot of bad chiplets.
My 3800x overclocks to 4450 without much trouble.
Mine does 4.4@1.35V very easy on x370 MB but for more it needs much more voltage. 4.5 manual overclock would be something nice for his price.
Anyway let's be honest, is not worth it compared with 3700x.
Thanks for the video, really useful!
bought a 3800x back in March 2020 anyway. 9 months later it's still running 4.4ghz all core @1.29 volts on the stock cooler. Under ridiculous workloads way above my normal use it has maxed at 82 degrees, but with no thermal throttling at that temp.
how’s it doing now