Ryzen 3rd Gen - The New Gaming King? - R5 3600x / R7 3700X / R9 3900X vs i9-9900K
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- Do we have a new Gaming King? Ryzen 3rd Gen vs Intel's 9th Gen, Which Should You Buy?
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*NOTE* - Want to see the whole 39 minute uncut benchmark video? - ruclips.net/video/R5XTPrQg2G4/видео.html
^ That has the entire runs of every game without any breaks, for those of you who want to see them.
Good video. I have a question. Is 9900KF cooler than 9900K. It doesn't have igpu, so it should have better thermals, right? Because 9900KF goes on sale for 420$ regullary. That's the same price as 3800x.
@@Saigonas The i9-9900KF for $420 is a deal... it isn't cooler, you're not using the iGPU either way most of the time, so it won't matter...
@@TechDeals Thanks for the answer. I actually heared that in the place where igpu is supposed to be, they put some paste ( dont know how to explain), and it absorbs some heat. This could be false information.
@@Saigonas 9900KF is the same as the 9900K with power use and heat output, the IGPU part if the chip is there just deactivated. They both use solder not thermal paste.
most CPU's are binned up to a point (same with AMD and Intel) , the best ones are sold as 9900K then the less good ones are sold as cheaper CPU's with deactivated parts.
with AMD best chips go in the 3800x second best in 3700x 3rd best in 3600x and so on.
Tech Deals love your channel, quick question is ryzen as fast and as smooth as intel in opening and closing apps like browsing winzip shut down power on is it going to give me the same smooth experience thats what i really want to know or is intel optimized more for this?
You put so much work in this video.. you even slowed down the benchmarks, so that no one has to pause the video.. that effort is very impressive! on top of that you are a nice guy who is fun listening to. Thumbs up!
Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
02:34 - Test system details
03:18 - Segue: AM4 Motherboard advice
04:12 - Test system details continued (Storage, RAM, GPU)
06:00 - Disclosure of company-provided SKUs
06:34 - Test system details continued (CPU coolers)
07:05 - Important notes & disclaimers regarding benchmark results
09:03 - Far Cry New Dawn (Gameplay Footage) w/ interpretation of results
14:36 - Far Cry New Dawn (Charts)
16:02 - Metro Exodus (Gameplay Footage) w/ explanation why some benchmarks are difficult to do
17:30 - Metro Exodus (Charts)
18:15 - Shadow of the Tomb Raider (Gameplay Footage) w/ interpretation of results
21:42 - Shadow of the Tomb Raider (Charts)
22:40 - The Division 2 (Gameplay Footage) w/ question for audience
24:13 - The Division 2 (Charts)
24:56 - Assassin's Creed Odyssey (Charts)
25:11 - Deus Ex Mankind Divided (Charts)
25:25 - Dawn of War 3 (Charts)
25:41 - F1 2018 (Charts)
25:55 - Far Cry 5 (Charts)
26:08 - Final Fantasy XV (Charts)
26:25 - For Honor (Charts)
26:45 - Forza Horizon 4 (Charts)
26:58 - Ghost Recon Wildlands (Charts)
27:13 - Grand Theft Auto V (Charts)
27:30 - Rainbow Six Siege (Charts) w/ question for audience
27:48 - Strange Brigade (Charts)
27:55 - Steep (Charts)
28:11 - The Division (Charts)
28:25 - World of Tanks (Charts)
28:44 - Conclusion
32:00 - Outro
unnecessary time wasted
Thanks! ADHD people will appreciate!
A time stamp for 00:00 is indeed unnecessary tho
Thank you, kind sir!
Thanks !
Good that AMD is back since 2017. We need a competition, else intel will make 4 core/threads cpus for 500$, lol.
$337...But good AMD is back to the original Athlon's competitiveness
And AMD would still be building BROKEN CPU's, like they did for 15 years making billions off their Customers....
And a new motherboard every six months
4 Core CPUs are relevant since 99% of the games on the market dont use more than 4 threads. Until whenever the new consoles come out.
I'm waiting a year or two before jumping on amd because I want to see how steady they improve
I am actually building my first PC and I will be using Ryzen 7 3700X!
Wise choice :)
@@dominblabla 50/50 wise
@@ivaylotsankov7292 What do u mean 50/50 wise?
Same. Just bought it yesterday
Just dont get it with the b450 tomahawk. my pc is currently in the dirt because of this board, takes a long fucking time to even post and the system keeps stuttering violently with as much as google chrome even with 32gb 3200mhz ram.
Tech: "Finally finished weeks of benchmarking 3 AMD cpus with all those games!"
AMD: "Here's a new bios update!"
Tech: "Doh!"
prolly 2fps and honestly if ur gettin lets say 5+ then wit these cpus ur already pusshing 140-240 fps (depending on 1080p,2k,4k gaming etc, monitor size etc) so doesnt realy matter.
AMD or Intel, whatever you prefer, in 2019 and going forward, we all win. Progress is being made and a road is paved for higher performance at a easier consumer value.
The performance wall AMD crashes into (even with great world-class cooling) has me skeptical about the _Higher_ performance potential going forward. Maybe we can do more stuff, but I think we will need other tricks to hopefully bypass the CPU to get higher performance
@@czdaniel1 yeah, hopefully they can push further with Zen 3 with all true 7nm
@@czdaniel1 As a graphic artist, the performance is quite enough (with my usual tricks and adjustments, even with a 3600), I need more the ability of having more stuff running at a time (ie, the raster editor , the vectors app, the web building environment, maybe some 3D rendering in the background, as not only is less tedious to work so, it means more stuff done in same time = more money. I'm not gaming, I have to say, though.
@@czdaniel1What your're talking about is a clock wall, not performance and it is partially due to a firmware bug. They have been moving up clocks, cores, and IPC every generation. The thing is, moving forward, there will absolutely be more games using DX12 or Vulkan and coding for more core utilization. AMD's SMT implementation is also better than Intel's hyperthreading. Zen 2 has higher IPC than 9th Gen Intel, making it faster at the same clocks, thus requiring an Intel CPU that hits 5.0Ghz+. Ryzen at 4.6 is equivalent to Intel at 5.0. The only Intel product that make sense from a forward thinking point of view is the 9900K(S). If you have $500 to spend on a CPU, the 3900X will have better longevity for multiple tasks. With any less money, not only are the other Ryzen chips better choices for the money, the platform isn't dead yet like Intel's. There isn't going to be anything better than the 9900K(S) on current Intel boards. AMD's AM4 still has at least one more generation in it.
@@blkspade23 It is not only a clock wall. AMD chips struggle with latency performance by nature of its architecture. The infinity fabric is just not efficient, especially when information has to be transferred between CCX modules. Sure, it might help to an extent to just have faster memory, but past 4000 mhz the frequency ratio gets reduced to 1:2, meaning it's practically 2000 mhz. And even right now anything above 3200 makes a negligible difference. AMD has tried to remedy the issue with CCX latencies by implementing ridiculously large L3 cache sizes. This is so that information can be temporarily stored in L3 cache without having to travel out of the CCX module. This improves performance significantly in a select few old games, but has little impact on performance in newer ones. The clockspeed wall is not a firmware bug; the chips are literally unstable past a certain frequency. In other words the problem is definitely not in the software, it's in the CPU itself. As of right now Ryzen can hold something like 4.5 ghz on a single core temporarily, however they can only do 4.3 ghz on all cores. "AMD's SMT implementation is also better than Intel's hyperthreading" this is definitely not true, at least not for games. In productivity I've seen AMD beat out Intel in the multithreaded area of things with all other things equal. For gaming however, SMT can sometimes negatively impact frame rate. From the benchmarks I've seen some games benefit from it noticeably while others lose quite a bit of performance. Hyperthreading is much more consistent; the 9900k is gonna beat the 9700k pretty much every time. It's interesting that you brought up the fact that Zen 2 has higher IPC. Despite this fact, if you put an 8700k against a 3600 both locked at 4.3ghz the 8700k will win every time in games, sometimes by 10% or more. Like I explained earlier, AMD is hitting not just a clockspeed wall. I disagree that the 9900k is the only Intel CPU that's futureproof. In fact I'd argue that the 9700k is just as futureproof as a 3700x as far as gaming goes. Keep in mind that even the 9700k only gets 50-60% core utilization in most games, which is far from maxing out or bottlenecking. It is also the faster gaming CPU, meaning it literally has more CPU overhead and will thus better handle tomorrow's (presumably faster) graphics cards. AMD's AM4 socket is going out of support in 2020, so the only more powerful chip being added to the line up is probably the 3950x.
I have a 2600x with a NVidia 1080 don't plan to upgrade in a long time but still enjoying this videos.
same. Not gonna lie, the 3600 is calling my name, but I don't know. FOr some reason I just feel like I need to get the 3600x to make sure I have the best chip. The marketing is working I guess.
Yes. I have a 2600x too with a GTX 1070 and I was almost itching to get a 3600/x . But I will hold on to that chip for another gen. I am hearing Zen 3 / Ryzen 4000 series will be a another significant jump from 3000 series. Will pickup the 4600/x then I suppose :P
I have a 1700 and i have to upgrade just for the reason the ram is working properly^^.
If i was running a 2600x Id wait til the 4000 come out
Gonna get the 2600 with an aftermarket cooler and pair with maybe a rx 570 8gb or rx 580 (depending on prices) and just stick with it for like 4 years till i build a new rig with a new platform for say the AM5 comes out.
Always love these king of Video's. I personally went with Ryzen 7 - 3700X. Wanted 8 Core/16 Thread Future Proofing my CPU for the next 2 - 3 Years.
The cheap side of me wants a 3600 with after market cooler
Future proof side says 3700x and use the wraith prism to save money
Unless its loud as hell
The 9900k is the better cpu at 1080p, but I don't think it's fair to fit a custom cooler to the Intel and overclock it. It would still beat amd stock but should be stock vs stock imo. Also 3600 cl16 is recommended for amd.
@@rwdturbo yeah using a top of the line air cooler like noctua vs stock amd is kinda bad but damn the work he did for this video
@@scottmurphy4946 Yes, big task alright fair play to him for that. Still enjoyed the video 👍
It might go twice as long as that IMO
Fastest CPU =Not necessary
Fastest GPU =Not necessary
Fastest RAM =Not necessary
Having Fun =Necessary
Well smooth gameplay = fun buddy
@@savsaga4991 And all of these CPU's will provide smooth game play, buddy. Especially if you're at 1440p 144Hz where the GPU becomes more relevant anyway.
@lando hoth u dont need the fastest of everything to have smooth framerates...
@lando hoth didn't seem like :)
@lando hoth Well i very rarely play any games, i enjoy tweaking stuff like building my own bioses etc.
Built my first gaming PC at the end of August and I went with the 3700x, and so far no regrets at all!
Coming from console, I can’t help but feel I chose a good time to upgrade to PC and I am now one very happy man. 😁
This is my go to channel for anything PC related, thank you so much for all the hard work and commitment. I think you should test strategy games for CPU tests.
The most polite suggestion I think I’ve ever seen
XDefinitive Agree good Sir.
Thank you so much for covering these CPUs, I've been waiting for this!
I will just say my poor i7 2600 still manages somehow... This oldie has still some strenght in it..
Your gesture when you say „welcome“ is hilarios. It’s like saying „Let‘s praise the Tech Deals Lord!“
Just buy R5 3600 non X and call it a day.
Yep, may as well save the money for an upgrade down the line. Especially if zen 3 is still on am4.
my 3600 arrives tomorrow... I could not be happier!
By any chance, have you seen any 3600 + MoBo combo deals?
Nice enjoy
@@czdaniel1 well, that depends on your location... I wish I had gone with the B450 Tomahawk, but it's unavailable around here...
9900k still 👑 for gaming, especially for high refresh monitors.
lol
Such a shame we won't have Cyberpunk benchmark data for a long time. Really the only game I want to prepare my PC for lol.
Same! I plan on forking out money for big Navi around that time if It's any good. I wanna squeeze every frame I can out of my 4K monitor but I don't wanna pay Nvidia double what I paid for my top end EVGA 1080Ti.
Yep, that's what i'm saving up for as well. Although by the time Cyberpunk will come out we will hopefully have B550 boards available for AMD and maybe a new lineup of Intel chips as well, that will hopefully drive prices down even more.
But we'll see.
Cyberpunk crushed the GTX1080ti on early play throughs before optimization. I definitely would go 8 cores or better and 2070 super or Navi variants for the gpu or better. Basically for a no limit soldier you need about 1800 dollars. I also think Vram will potentially be a concern. 8 gigs is the gold standard now, but I think we will be clipping that a lot more in the next two years. The next gen consoles will have at least 12 gigs of ram, 8 cores for the cpu and over 10 tflops for new Navi. We are about to see a huge jump in fidelity in less than three years.
Cyberpunk based off same engine as Witcher 3 which if I recall was pretty balanced CPU GPU and reasonably optimized. Hopefully will scale well.
Good point on the vram issue. I wished my 1080 came with more of it the day I bought it. Another part of Nvidia scheme to rip off consumers until there is real competition at the high end.
I very rarely comment on you tube videos and hardly ever subscribe to any channels unless they consistently produce interesting content, Just subscribed to your channel coz of the high quality analysis and absolutely wonderful content delivery. You are very convincing and sound like a very seasoned and knowledgeable individual when it comes to computers. Building my first Ryzen 7 3700X and your AMD analysis videos really helped to decide. Your PSU reviews are very good, especially the Gold 80 plus Corsair RMx PSU.
best value is 3600 , worst value is 3800X , 3600x is still terrible value.
Yeah, you either go 3600x or you go all the way and buy the 3900x.
3600x are binned cpu meaning you get guarenteed higher clocks without overclocking. And it comes with wraith spire cooler rather than the stealth one. So it's definitely worth the purchase.
@@MattWithTheCat4541 The after market coolers will be better but clocking a 3600x to 4.5 GHz needs no aftermarket cooler, spire is good enough.
Even if you are overclocking better bin cpu always clock higher so in either case 3600x is definetely worth the money.
Edit ; oh btw, you didn't know how many gamers never ever Overclock.
Except the 3600 was sold out for almost 2 weeks after launch....
@@MattWithTheCat4541 The main purpose for an aftermarket cooler is to get one that is just plain quieter. At least for me. The videos i've seen of the AMD stock coolers, they tend to get fairly loud under stress compared to any decent 30$ after market cooler.
Just upgraded my pc with 3700x, it’s been 14 years since I went AMD. No regrets!
This will be my first AMD
But I only self built a 2500k and currently use a i5 4690k
In hind sight, if I bought the i7 verson Id prob be fine. I also suffering from ' i want something new'
I've owned AMD since the 386 was introduced. Mine was manufactured by AMD. My last Intel build was a Pentium 100mhz, then it was K5 K6, K7, and so on, my current build is also a 3700x, and no regrets here either :D
its such bad policy to just outright say "spend 2x the cpu amount on a gpu" . you should buy based on your use and needs and budget
Hi Tech and Rogue from South Aussie! Great video. Thanks Tech, I got a riser card for my 2nd M.2 drive after watching your raid video. Just built my new Ryzen 3800X system to replace my I7490k at 4.4 ghz with a 1070ti. Still plays everything well after 6 years, but was starting to show it's age. I went with the 3800X because of the higher single core boost out of the box, with no fiddling about. Didn't want to mess with high core voltages etc. to overclock, due to the 40C plus temperatures in the Adelaide summers. Love all your videos. Cheers.
Why do you always show the R5 3600X? I feel like the "X" model doesn't offer much in the way the of performance for the extra cost. Plus you can overclock the R5 3600 to near "X" levels of performance. Just something I've noticed that I've never understood.
I have both the 3600 and 3600X and the difference is basically nothing overclocked. In fact my 3600 was much more stable than the X at the same clock speeds.
Watch the entire video. He talks about the 3600.
Because that's what I've tested :) I also talk about it at the end...
@@silvrnblck6 I understand that, but he's always highlighting and primary looking at the X variants.
@@TechDeals alright thank you for responding I appreciate it and it is really just a minor nitpick I do love your uploads
the best gaming combo (price/performance)at this moment is R5 3600 + RX5700XT.... lets gooooo
Buying a used video card like a vega 56 is better value because all video cards are over priced currently and they should not be bought at all to teach amd and nvidia a lesson.
@@salikali2 well..I can't disagree
You clock the Intel cpu frequency to 5ghz, but not the AMD memory? Give some to Zen2, test it on 3600mhz or even 1900 infinity fabric clockspeed. Make it a little more even. Adds 10% to team AMD, imo.
I agree, this was a great test with accurate and informative results, but as most of us know, Ryzen is known to peak performance with faster RAM frequencies. 3600mhz, or even 3400mhz would yield better performance because of the Infinity Fabric. Please give us some comparative benchmarks results with Ryzen paired up with DRAM 3600mhz! And maybe give the Ryzen processors the same Noctua cooler you gave the 9900k.
Whinge and moan all you like, all processors were run at the maximum speed that they could achieve. I bought an 9900K because of its 5ghz all core speed, so why should we not see its true performance?
magburner hes not saying to run intel at stock. hes saying keep the intel overclocked to as high as possible, but also do the same for ryzen, ie overclock the ram/infinity fabric instead of leaving it at stock
I don't know, in testing environment then you go with whatever make out the most fps hence highest bus ram possible. But for 3200mhz bus ram, Intel can achieve this much, and if you want higher fps for AMD you will have to buy more expensive ram which increase the cost of AMD total system.
The fact is that Intel CPU is strong on its own and AMD needs ram make it hard to decide. Like you add 150$ to buy a stronger CPU (i9 9900k vs r9 3900x) to get more fps, now you buy amd cpu u save about 150$, then you have to spend that 150$ to buy a faster ram to get the most out of it.
So in the end, it will cost u the same money. (i9 900k + 3200mhz = r9 3900x + 3600mhz) however the Intel still win in the fps at the end of the day. Assume that the other parts are the same price (mainboard, cooler, psu, ect). Therefore I see no need to buy a highest bus ram for amd. Although it can gives out more fps, however if your true purpose is more fps then just go for intel.
Yes, i would like to hear Techdeal opinion on this matter. Sometimes he left out this kind of stuff.
Hung4444 you dont need more than 3200mhz for near optimal performance. ram can usually be overclocked, sometimes to 3400 or even to 3600mhz on 3200-certified ram, and the infinity fabric itself can be fine tuned manually. the comparison here i guess is that intel has 1 main overclocking feature, while amd requires 3 different overclocks/tunes to hit max performance
I am currently going full OCD on planning a build. These videos are helping me immensely. Thanks so much. Lots of hard work doing these. Great job!
Bought the 9900K more then happy despite tech tubers recommendation.
I'm glad I purchased the gigabyte pro wifi for my 3800x. It's a great board. My 3800x boosts to 4.55 regularly with it.
More like you do
4.6 in cinebench single core now with the new gigabyte bios and pbo + auto oc
is the bios good? im thinking of buying the elite
Mr.Tech deals.... Video after Video.. you tell it how it is. no excess. No bs.. Real numbers. Real advice. This is what youtube Needs... Dont stop doing what you do pls
Right now is a great time to build a PC.
Lots of great CPU and GPU choices from all the manufacturers.
RAM and SSD prices are good.
No matter which platform you like best it's literally impossible to make a terrible choice at any price point.
There's something good for everyone right now.
Man this is such high quality content, thanks :)
Bought myself a 3700x, 2070 super and an x570 board for my first pc build, can't wait til they arrive!
how much?
@Evil Genius lol
I will go for R7 3800x on my new build with RTX2080 super oc 3 fan 4000hz ram
It's your review that gave me pause for thought on over purchasing my cpu in terms of holding onto my computer an additional year+
just built a 3700x with a rtx 2060.. very good build
nice combo there
I did 3600 with a rt5700xt
@@josedourado3747 the best combo at this moment!
@@josedourado3747 would the 3700x and RX 5700 xt be any good? I really want a good 8 core cpu as I have a ryzen 5 2600 and I know if I have 2 more cores I will be very satisfied
@@Oliver-bn7jt not much more improvement for games. But you can count for more 10 to 30 fps gain with the 8 core. I have a x570 board so I went with the 3600 in order to upgrade to more cores in the future.
I hope to build my first 1080p Gaming rig 🎮 with a $800.- budget I'm thinking Ryzen 5 3600 + 16gb Ram + either Gtx 1660 ti or Rx 590 and a decent motherboard + 600w Psu & a mid tower case. I have the ssd + hdd, etc .... Either way, Thanx 4 Posting 🎥
Oh a no a Kaiju that sounds like a good build! Do you already have a monitor?
Use 1660ti, is worth the upgrade to rx 590 (old possessor of a 590 xfx fatboy)
@@amackee - yes, Toshiba 27" 1080p p HDTV with Game mode, it's my current monitor 💻
Side Note : I just swapped my i5-2400 with a i7-2600 using the same motherboard 🎮 haven't benchmarked Shadow of the Tomb Raider = Should be much Smoother & even though in most Games the average didn't really increase but the mins & Smoothness was noticeable. I believe with S O T T R it will 🎧 Thanx again 4 posting 🎥
Oh a no a Kaiju yeah I think your build is gonna be solid! I would do the 1660ti, also the MSI tomahawk is really nice, I have it with my r5 3600 and I can’t complain!
Side-by-side, competitive gaming or casual, there would be ZERO people who could tell the difference between the 3700X and the 9900K without the benchmark numbers running. Especially if you are at 1440p. Where you would notice a real-world difference is if you are attempting to live stream that game at the same time, and/or run any other applications. The Ryzen is like trying to spread butter on bread, whereas the Intel is like trying to spread raisins on bread.
Got the r5 3600 and let me say it's more than enough for gaming. Playing Remnant: From the ashes at 4k right now and cpu usage sits comfy around 30%. If anything I'd upgrade my gtx 1080ti for a 2080ti if I could afford it since it's starting to show its age.
showing its age at 4k?
Oh God, I'm probably going to upsell myself to the r5 3600 from the i5-9400(F) [$129] for a Non-work/Non-DailyDriver system that will primarily be used for a 2011 game that likely can't make use of multi-threading, and maybe can't even make use of multi-core for all I know. Hopefully, I can find a 3600+MoBo COMBO @$200, I will jump at that
For live gameplay, consider Battlefield 5. I still play it, and I'd be curious if the multi-core performance is a benefit in the intense 64 player online modes.
intel wins but I purchased amd because "competition" means better future for all PC users
Well it really depends on what you plan to do with the processor. Games mostly benefit from higher clocks and that's what Intel's got going for it, so if you are a heavy gamer and have the money then sure. If you are a casual gamer and focus on productivity however I'd go with higher cores / thread count instead. Not to mention AMD has higher IPC than Intel at the moment so can achieve more at same frequencies per core/thread. In any case as you mentioned as long as we have competition we all win.
@@photonboy999 I mentioned it because it's a relevant fact, and I thought it was worth mentioning it. It reminds me of the old K7 days.
I recently built my Ryzen 5 3600X and after some updates with bios and chipsets, I am extremely pleased! I jumped from the i7-4790k to the 3600x and WOW!!! I kept my 1070 graphics card and case/psu. Total upgrade cost was around $500. I will take that! Eventually I want to upgrade my GPU but the 1070 suffices for me at this point! Thanks for the video. It proves that I made the right choice with my budget to just go with the 3600X!
I just upgraded to a 3700x processor. With the AM4+ motherboard, I'll be able to stroll right on through and upgrade to a 3900x when the prices go down.
You put various choices of amd but from intel you only include i9 9900k while you could also add the i7 9700k and i5 9600k and i5 9400f these are pretty good competitiors concerning gaming only since this is what this video is about?
@XdC Sorry to disappoint you, but he is right..oopsie...If you look about his videos, he had one comparison....so..get real...
No one should be buying an i5 even if they are purely gaming.
KS stands for "Keep Spending"
- JayzTwoCents
and thats the truth!
The 9700k is as fast or faster than the 9900k for gaming and frequently available for less than the 3700x. $300 for what is essentially tied for the absolute fastest gaming CPU is not bad at all.
Your videos are amazing. I’ve been watching for a long time and I appreciate that you give honest advice and not ONLY the value for your money advice. Too many people want the budget advice but you give every group valuable advice. If you don’t mind I’d like to see you do more educational videos like your raid 0 performance videos I trust your results and I learn a lot from you.
ok why is there no PBO on max on those CPU's? You OC the Intel CPU and give it a super cooler... and why does the ram not have tight timings like you showed in one of your earlier videos? You did such great videos on how to get the best out of the ryzen CPUs but now you compare it with intel and do the same as others do? (running AMD stock and Intel OC)
Why does no tester test the CPUs fair? We know that Intel does not care for tight ram timings but it cares for Clockspeed. If you want to compare both CPUs on max potential then run both on max potential please... otherwise I like your videos but this one is kinda ... lala
What makes you think PBO wasn't on? It was on the 3700X and 3900X, it just doesn't work yet...
@@TechDeals because all the ryzen cpus where 4,2 GHz max on your tests and the 3900x does reach at least 4,3 without any PBO OC and here it is 4,2GHz? Was it an all core OC? Then this test all ryzens where set manually to 4,2 where with a decent cooling sytem you could reach 4,4 all cores (depends on the CPU source: www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cgwvu4/ryzen_3700x_44ghz_allcore_results/). The stock cooler is not fine to compare with the intel cooler you used... dnk seems a little strange this comparison...
watching this but will settle for 3600🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I replaced my old Intel build I7 3770 and gtx 950 to a Amd R5 3600 and a Rx 570 8gb and the difference is amazing i had the Intel for 7 years and i expect i'll have the Amd for a similar period. Get the 3600 you wont regret it.
Well thats the best value procs. 3600x is overpriced
They have the same performance in most games, the 3600x is a straight up pointless sku. 3700x only matter if you do work or plan on streaming at high fps.
No offence to you, but I've never been suggested one of your videos before and I want to say just how helpful your testing and these results have been to me, most people have all done seperate reviews and tests and never really consolidated them into one place anything like this, i was considering a R5 3600x for my 1400$ build but maybe 90$ more to get the R7 3700x is a good longevity move, thanks so much for this info and I'll be keeping an eye on your channel for more useful insight in the future. Cheers!
Put together R5 2600 and used Gtx1070 rig what a quiet & fast system!
Yup. Same here. Used 1070 is still great for 1440p and upgraded by Ryzen 1300X to 3600 to give the GPU more threads to work with.
OK, you asked for it Tech Deals 😂 World of Warcraft would be a good benchmark test, imho.... We All know that in an MMO, in a Raid, you could blow up a 9900k & 2080ti 😂
I'll even help and bring my Druid (Boomkin mode) or Shadow Priest 😁
Agreed! Show me the WoW!
If he’s going to do a MMO it should be FFXIV. Much higher performance demand + its the most popular subscription mmo
Please include the Witcher 3 because a similar Engine will be used for Cyberpunk 2077
9900K O/C at 5000Ghz with AIO (+150$) (unrealistic speed for 24/7) , but Ryzen with sock coolers at stock Clocks with only 3200Mhz Ram speed (no subtimings tweaking) ..... It's unfear competition ....
Panagiotis Adams and amd Wins when you consider the price... it is actually a good comparison an its own. You can definitely get more speed from Ryzen 3000 by really tweaking the memory that is true, but it is not a out of the box performance. But if you go for Ryzen, you should definitely try to do it. It can be you really big boost if done right!
It was a tough choice for me but I went with the 3900x in the end for my first pc build, and I'm happy with it
Not gonna lie been waiting for this guys review for these cpus for like 2 or so months now 😂
But I still have a 1080ti
With the 3700x
Plan on upgrading to a 2k monitor
Should I upgrade my gpu to a 2080ti or wait for the "3080 ti "
or monitor?
What monitor do you have now?
If you have a 1080p monitor, defenitely upgrade to a 2k 144hz.
And 1/2 year later upgrade gpu
2080 Ti? You kidding me right? Talk about throwing your money away... 1080 Ti is awesome for 1440p high fps.
Get 1440p 144hz monitor. Keep gpu definetly!
asus VG248QE 144 hz 1080p
Too early Techdaddy!
Now, in 15 December 2019, after all the bios updates, the gap has been reduced even more. And as Tech Deals said, the Intel CPU comes without a cooler, needing much more expensive motherboard and consuming much more power.
By far my favorite pc testing/building RUclipsr .... Doing my first build and your videos are key to it, although I've only decided on gpu at the moment.
Still waiting for Ryzen 9 to be in stock...
Right? What is the problem with that? It's sold out or is there anything I don't know about it?
Finally snagged it (Sweden) about 2 weeks ago, only one vendor got them, stock lasted a week.
Sent back and refunded my 3700X, snagged me a 3900X, did my vendor dirty, but its a 3900X, you know. Well point is, there is no stock here except for those 50-100 CPUs that sold out fast.
@@zombiemachinery4868 Sold out. :(
@@gloriouspopemantom373 Jealous!
Total War Warhammer 2 maybe?
Hell yea! those turn times are insanely long would love to see what the actual difference would be.
I understand why your testing with the 2080ti but you really need to point out the cost of that card when saying Intel is faster. Otherwise people think buying Intel over ryzen is going to be faster when they have a RTX 2060 or less gpu.
Which gpu pairs well with i9 9900k
The goal of this is to literally use the strongest GPU possible to show how the CPUs compare. You can't compare CPUs if the GPU is the bottleneck.
@@IJoeAceJRI its too expensive .I cannot afford it
2:20 "spending 2x the cost of your CPU on a GPU is balanced"
here in Germany the Ryzen 7 3700X is at around 350€
and the Radeon RX 5700 is also at around 350€ , RX 5700 XT is at like 400€
seems fair
The 209 dollar i7 8700k will kill a 500 r9 in most games yes 😂😂😂
I got a R5 3600 and sold my 2700x to a friend, even with 2 less cores I'm still @ 4.2ghz and getting better FPS in BFV @1440p (:
Will eventually get a 3900x when prices drop a tad , or ride it out till next gen
I went from a 1700 to a 3700x and the gainz in BF5 are wonderful :)
@@HuskyTech891 oh hell yeah. Mine was just a slight upgrade , but for $200 and making back $150 for my old chip I couldn't resist xD
22:04 I had to stop to wail in laughter after using that reference.
It'll be a while before I get myself back in focus.
I'm kind of missing a "price per performance" chart here, or even a total build cost video, but I guess everyone gets the point.
He's not doing a total build. The parts like that 2080ti are chosen solely to measure individual CPU performance, not to recommend as a TOTAL system-build which he has numerous other videos for
This must have been your favorite video to make in a long time! I had to watch this one twice, because AMD has just blown us away!
Based on these week results on AMD ZEN 2, I'm glad I brought 9900k with 2080ti last year without waiting an year for this 3900 Ryzen. Thank u Techdeals, for this amazing comprehensive comparison. 😊😊😊
Been waiting on this video now I have something to watch during my lunch break 👍🏾👍🏾😁
I recent ordered an MSI B450 Tomahawk for a build, wasn’t expecting it but it already came Ryzen 3000 ready out of the box with a bio update to support by 3600. It was awesome!
MMORPGs need some love. Final Fantasy 14 Shadowbringers (5.0) has a roughly six-minute standalone benchmark that should give some idea of how the game will run, though of course zones, player population, etc. have a tremendous impact. Square Enix has had this free benchmark available since version 2.0, but none of the gaming tech channels ever use it. Please give it a try.
Great video! Subscribed!
Thank you for the info, very helpful 👍
Excellent video - thank you. happy Thanksgiving
Hi mate, hope u do a " Destiny 2 " benchmark, would be really great. u could also do a controlled enviroment there.
Nice video. \Since you are putting a good cooler on the i9 to get the clockspeed up, why not do something analogous like tuning the ryzen's memory and getting the fabric clock up and latency down? I have mine at 3733 cl 16
No doubt about it. If I had large sums to throw at a computer it would be a 2080ti and i9 9900k combo. Hands down. But being that I only wanted reasonably fast and play anything for reasonable money, I went Ryzen 5 3600 + Radeon 5700 FTW! So far so good.
Just recently upgraded from a i7 3820 to a R7 3700x based on your recommendations and all i can say is WOW. My entire system feels twice as fast in everything I do and gave my Vega 56 much more room to stretch it's legs in CPU intensive games like Squad. 4 core 8 threads to 8 core 16 threads is quite the performance jump. Good on the old i7 3820 though for lasting that long.
Suggestion for testing a new game though. Insurgency Sandstorm or Squad. Squad servers can have up to 80 players and before my i7 would tank HARD once the player count got above 40 in a server, now this 3700x keeps a minimum of over 60fps no matter what.
Excellent video, but what I'd really like to see is this same comparison with faster RAM and XMP enabled on the motherboard to allow the full RAM speed. (basically overclocking, but not really.) Anyone getting a Ryzen 3000 series for gaming will know the infinity fabric speed is tied to the RAM speed which will affect benchmarks DDR 3600 seems to be the sweet spot. I'm sure the i9 would still win, but I do wonder how much of the difference would evaporate as the i9 can't really clock higher, but the Ryzens can.
I grabbed a 3900X Over a 9900k because back when I got my 6600k i was told 4c/4t was all i needed. Just a few years later and the ryzen 5 1600 does way better in several games. I couldn't take the microstuttering so I wanted all the cores I could get. Here's to hoping it'll last me 5 years comfortably.
I have a 4790x intel which new cpu would be a really nice upgrade. I will appreciate your response.
If you're trying to sound and act like those Knife and/or coin salesmen who come on TV at 3am, you're doing an amazing job. I can't tell a difference. If you're not, you might want to change things up a bit.
Re: benchmark requests - PUBG, if you're going to go to the trouble of doing anything multiplayer.
Good video. As a pc gamer I'm still sitting here scratching my head wishing we could make more advances in clock speed (CPU). Then again, tbh, the real problem is the lack of progress on the GPU side of things.
WHAT CHOO TALKIN BOUT WILLIS!!! LOL love it, great vid!
So depressing to realize that my i7-8700k that I bought earlier this year will be a bottleneck to ANY highend card I install in a year and a half. Thank you for the information. Take care. Cheers!
For strictly gaming, I don't think you can forget about the i7 9700k. With a good motherboard you can overclock to 5.0ghz on all 8 cores and get similar i9 9900k performance. However, if more games start utilizing hyperthreading it may not be super future proof. If you're just gaming and not streaming or video editing and only looking to keep your cpu for about 3 years, it's the best option IMHO.
I noticed that the 3900x has about 20+ watt less power consumption than the 9900K. Seeing that my gaming pc is responsible for the majority of my electricity bill, its a point to look at.
I really appreciate your reviews and recommendations. Instead of just throwing numbers and fancy graphs, your discussion is always from a consumer stand point and what's the best for an average user. Kudos!
Building my 1st PC with the 3700x paired with a RX 5600x + Asrock X570 Phantom gaming 4 mb that I got for 110$ on newegg! got a sweet deal on ebay for US285 for the 3700x and could not let it pass!
Good video. Can you explain some more how to match screen refresh rate to processor and GPU? For example, what's the appropriate screen refresh rate for a system(laptop) with a 9th gen i7 and a 1660ti?
Very good video, with all the different chips nicely summed up.
The Intel 9900k is the fastest, at 1080p and 1440p but is it faster at 4k, when the gpu becomes more of a bottleneck?
I'm running a Ryzen 5 3600 with a 2080ti on a 4k monitor and I honestly think that the I9 would be no better at this resolution :)
I just build a PC with 3800x. Was initially going to get 3700x but they both were similarly priced in the city I live, so I got 3800x.
The good thing about AMD is their platform longevity. I'm using 3600 and planned to use it for 3-4 years after that depending on how massive DDR5 improvement I maybe could still buy 8c or 12c Ryzen 3000/4000 for cheap and use it for another 2 years.
MSI x470 Gaming Plus, 3700X [oc'd to 4.275 @ 1.28v], RTX 2070 Super [+120 core, +700 memory], 32gb 3600 cl19 GSkill Sniper x [oc'd to cl 16], 500gb WD Blue SSD, plus several HGST hdds. Love it!
Thanks for all your work. Very informative.
Great vid. Helps with my next build.
Love your channel. Thank you!
I love this channel. All your videos are helpful!