I would highly recommend watching Gamers Nexus's video linked below for the newest comparisons between the different CPUs. At this time with the stock of 5800X3D's going down causing the prices to go up, it makes more sense to get the 5700X3D instead if you want to stay on the AM4 platform. ruclips.net/video/WRK30P9_Tvg/видео.htmlsi=zFTFJaCdYHF5Jxpk
@@cameron818i hope by now you now this but just in case i wanted to inform you that 4k is by much not as demanding as 1080p to the cpu, as you upgrade the resolution it is more and more demanding to the gpu, but to the cpu it become less and less demanding, that means, if you want to play at 4k a good graphic cards is needed and a goodish processor to keep up with the graphic, but at 1080p you need a crappy graphic cards and a really good processor, like, if you pair a 3800x with a 6800x you wont have bootleneck when playing at 1440p or 2160p but when playing at 1080p you might have a slight bootleneck because the processor starts limiting your gpu a Little because to a good gpu 1080p is easy, so it demands a lot fps to the processor, like Lets say 500fps but the processor not being able to provide the gpu with so many fps as she might need to work perfectly at that low resolution means the cpu is limiting the gpu becuae is unable to provide her with resources so 3800x with a 6800 handles best 4k and 1440 than it does 1080p, on the contrary, the 5800x3d paired with a 6800 as well handles better 1080p and 1440p but a lil worse 4k because the processor is better than the graphics card and is able to provide more fps than the graphics card is able to handle in some scenarios like 4k, this doesn't mean is bad, just so you know that in fact processor test should be run at 1080p
@@51H0N thinking about the same thing. Same cpu as well with RTX 3060 12GB and it’s killing me when it comes to Msfs. Tarkov. Xplane. Beamng multiplayer… hoping this will be a big help and can let me hold off on upgrading the GPU for at least a other year. 😅
Pulled the trigger for a 5800x3D for $299.99 to replace my 3900x. Technically… yes it’s a “downgrade” in cores. But, I don’t really need the extra cores anymore, since most applications I use are mostly GPU anyway.
How big is the difference in performance? I have a 3900x and RTX 4070ti but play most games with DLSS upscaled to 4K so wandering is it worth the upgrade as I don't play native 4K very often.
I usually play FPS games at higher framerates. Like OW2 & Rainbow Six Siege. I would get 500 FPS on OW2 and Siege, vs. my 360 FPS back then. I also play newer games/emulate, so the IPC jump and 3D Vcache has been helping reduce stutters and 0.1% lows. The only thing that sucks is just how snappy it felt with 12 cores. But I’m ok daily driving this machine. It’s the last upgrade anyway for this rig.
I have a 3900x with a 5700xt and am about to snag a 7900xt or 6950xt maybe both haha. Anyway, I am worried about the lower clocks bottle necking a higher end GPU with the low clocks. Not for nothing your 3900x had 64mb L3 cache, although I think it may be split between the ccds. I’m considering the 5900x instead tbh, I like higher clocks. Lol anyway from everything I’ve seen it will at least provide better 1% lows but not sure if it will provide me personally the best performance for my money as I don’t only just game.
I switched from my 3800xt to a 5800x3d today. I use a rtx 3070ti gpu. I mainly play world of warcraft classic which is a single core 2004 engine. I went from 70-80fps in the main city dalaran to 140-170 fps with 5800x3d. Its all depending on which game you use, for me, this was a huuge upgrade for the buck. Seemingly MMO's especially love the cache!!
I just swapped my 3600X for the 5800X3D and saw a clear bump in frames in the CPU-heavy game I am currently binging (X4: Foundations.) Pretty sure this and the RTX 3070 will hold me over for at least 4-5 more years. I may keep an eye on higher end team red graphics cards in the meantime.
Hi! Thank you for this video, I'm exactly in the same situation as you, playing mostly CPU-bound titles, having a RTX 3080 and R7 3700X but with a B550 board and 16GB of RAM. Your video is not the first I watched about the topic of upgrading to R7 5800X3D from Ryzen 3000 family but It definitely reassured me even more about the upgrade and whether it's worth the money.
I'm in the same situation as you, currently have a 3700x with 16 gb RAM. Used to have a 2060 super but recently bought the 4070 ti and the CPU bottleneck at 1440 is HUGE, even with the 2060 super I had bottleneck in several games. So I bought the 5800x3D and will probably install it on Friday, really looking forward to see some huge performance gains. Something most people showing these benchmarks on RUclips miss is showing Raytracing titles. The performance demands on the CPU are something to consider when using ray tracing. For example my 3700x can only give around 50 fps in Cyberpunk with ray tracing, it actually bottlenecked a little my 2060 super in that game. Today I also tested the new overdrive mode and now it bottlenecks even lower at around 30-40. Another title I get bottleneck is Spiderman with RT at around 50 fps and the new Witcher 3 also at 50 fps. Frame generation helps a lot but I'm looking forward to when I install the 5800x3D and see some insane improvements.
@@rincoman192 how was the 5800x3d after u install it cuz im also playing on 2k maximum settings + ray tracing i have the 3080 ti im not sure about upgrading what do u think
@@vMrCrAzY I have to say it was a very significant upgrade, on Spider-Man fps got way better, on warzone almost double, and on the Witcher 3 improved a lot. The only issue I have are temps, bought an ag620 which many people recommended and fitted in my case but temps hover around 80 degrees and sometimes go to 86. As comparison my brother bought the same cooler for his 7700x and gets way better temps than me. Apart from that I really recommend the cpu if you don’t want to sell your mobo and ram the performance gains are really great.
@@rincoman192 Undervolt it! My 5800x3D went from 80c down to 64c without loss of performance. I have noctua dh15? From 1.200v down to 1.13xxv in bios settings 16gb ram 3200
Total wasted money. Instead of upgrading my 3700X to a 5800X3D I upgraded my RTX2070Super to an RTX4070Super which is much better performance per dollar increase and because I game in 4K I am GPU bound, not CPU bound.
So I've just upgraded from 3800X to 5800X3D and it's NOT worth it. Go for completely new AM5 platform, this is not an upgrade. Maybe it's gonna be more usefull after GPU upgrade, but if you think you will keep your 3-5 years old GPU and 5800X3D will bring you more FPS, than no. Only difference is in 720p or with DLSS on ultra performance (which is also rendered in 720p), 1440p or 4K (native) is the same, there is no difference between these 2 CPUs and CPU benchmarks say that there is just like + few percents for 5800X3D. I bought it because it's pretty cheap now, so why not, but I would say that build something already on 7000 series is probably better. For example super Pi 2M (sinhle thread performance) is like 9 vs 8s, Cinebench single core 515 vs 580, that's really not an upgrade, but yeah, it's at least slightly better. I would probably recommend more like 5950X because of more cores, you you will have advantage at least in software and games which can benefits from multithread, sinhle thread performance should be very similar.
The issue I have seen with IRacing is it’s more cpu bound then anything. Even with a 3080 it didn’t seem to upgrade in the fps department from my 2060. It might not be running at 100% but it still is limited by it so that’s why it’s a crazy increase
Who ´s playing 1080p with high end pc? It is better to invest in gpu. Even my 1800x is not pushed over 25% in game like fs2020 in 1440p high/ultra settings with my 1080ti. I bet i can play 4k60 ultra with a rtx 4090. Cpu is fine at 4k
@@CC-gt3ro he doesn't have an RTX4090, his benchmarks are no different between the cpu, that means his GPU is bottle necking, I never said you can't play 4K on the CPU.
yea it is especially in 4k dude i do 4k gaming but that ps3 emulator is what i want because 3900x does it fine hell almost any chip can, but still some games like killzone 2 just need single core performance.
I saved tons of money with the 5800X3D,. Since all the cache that has, even cheap DDR4 Ram get the job done and it's great paired with a 4070 TI/7900XT/3080 TI/6950XT. With your setup, could I suggest to add some 1440P benchmarks ? Thanks for this video and have a good weekend.
I run 5800X3D with a 3070 at 1440p and saw huge increases over the R5 3600. I was not expecting these improvements to scale at 4K, especially with a 3080. Thanks for the in-depth testing.
I upgraded from my 3600, huge difference even in graphic demanding games at 1440p, and only with a rx 6800. I play a lot of MMO's though and they love the vcache.
I recently upgraded from a 3700x to a 5700x, and I found your comparison very interesting. I know you are a small channel. So I certainly appreciate your hard work. One suggestion though. Either keep your hands off of the small table you are using, or try filming on a more stable surface. I was starting to get dizzy from the shaking, lol. Keep up the great work.
The only problem is, this isn't where the CPU shines. You should test this with competitive gaming more in mind. As you need to do the tests in 1080p and 1440p. Which one can actually provide more fps for high refresh rates.
Id say thats what you call confirmation bias, sure you can test all games at 720p or with 4090 and bottleneck the heck out of cpu in every game. At least how i understood, this comparison however is more for real world and what the author personally actually use, rather than creating borderline synthetic testing methodology. Not to mention that author clearly tested cpu limited scenarios as well, like iracing and rpcs3.
@@h1tzzYT No, the whole reason behind CPU testing is to see how well they can actually make a difference in comparison. But even with the most latest CPUS at 4k or higher there is no point in a CPU upgrade. As you can see IRacing being one of the very few games that get an actual performance difference at 4k sense its so CPU bound with the new cache. But at 1080p there would be an actual difference between the 3800x and the 5800x3d. For example, GTA would be hitting around the cap of 180fps while the 3800x hitting around 120fps. Then lets include the facts. Majority of people still play on 1080p for high refresh rate gaming. Including me normally switching from 1080p to 1440p depending on the games with a rtx 4080. So in a real world scenario, more people like to play with high refresh rates more often then high resolution especially in competitive games. Its a very small portion of gamers who not only can't afford but actually want to play on 4k all the time, let alone very often. But I suppose Slowly the default is switching from 1080p to 1440p.
@@Purified1k Look, i get it, you and i understand that "ideal" scenario is to test in fully cpu limited workloads by forcing super low resolutions or super fast gpus (or combination of both) to see the max possible difference between cpus. But there are sooo many comparisons made already on YT in similar fashion. Besides as you saw its not as simple as "at 4k, cpu doesnt matter" as clearly shown in the video, it really depends on your games and apps. On top of that i highly doubt that "majority of users play on 1080p 144hz+", 1080p? sure, steam survey at least indicate that but for refresh rate i highly doubt it as 60hz is still golden standard for total player userbase. My main take away is that there are more ways to test cpus, as much as i appreciate testing in so called "ideal" conditions, i also like to see testing in real world conditions, or at least those which seems more relevant for actual use case.
Thanks for the tests but why didn't you also test at lower resolution to remove the GPU bottleneck? It would have given us a much better picture of which CPU is the best today and also which CPU can handle future GPU upgrades best (or how much better the 5800x3d can handle an upgrade). This aspect is clearly the most relevant when upgrading from an already great CPU to and other great CPU:p
That is fair. I would recommend watching Gamers Nexus's review of the 5800x3D as they did more extensive testing than I could do. The issue is they don't have the 3800x on their graphs if that is a cpu you have
This is an excellent video other than the issue with your benchmarks. Look at your GPU usage in the overlay, it should be well under 80/90 percent in order to completely remove the GPU from the equation and get meaningful data. Next time simply drop the resolution down to 1080P and it will induce enough bottleneck to get useful results. Your results here don't tell us anything cause your entirely GPU bound. Other than that, keep up the good work.
Outstanding video. I have a 3800XT and plan on picking up the 5800XD. I play at 1440p and do play older CPU intensive games like Skyrim and Total War Rome II. I watched another video where there was not much of a bump in performance with this CPU and 3070, the same GPU I have, but in that video most of the games were GPU intensive. The 5800XD seems to be worth it if you play many types of games and don't plan to buy into how expensive current gen hardware is right now. Motherboard prices are a complete ripoff!
Yeah playing with the setup in the video at UHD, is mostly harshly GPU limited, as the 3080 is not exactly a UHD card, so there is not much room for improvement, same goes for a 3070 at QHD, but when it comes to harshly CPU bound games and hard modding...well even those cards can suddenly pump out some nice extra FPS and much better lows. Cyberpunk, after my old Ryzen 7 3700X, now with my 5800X3D(32GB DDR4 3600CL16) at QHD with my RTX 3080 Aorus Master 12GB saw just minimal average increase with DLSS 2 Quality and RT on Ultra/Psycho, but the lows were much better, there the CPU is managing npcs and co much better. Same for the Witcher3 with RT in Novigrad at Hierarch's Square, not much more FPS but much more consistent and smooth. Skyrim on the other hand, with way over a 1000Mods including Faster SMP, Body mods, physics heavy armors, craptons of added NPCs and critters etc, keeps up way better and doesnt drop as hard in Whiterun anymore. Several other Games and MMOs also saw sometimes strong increases in performance, especially with crowded areas but also in general. Pro Tip: If your BIOS doesnt support it directly, get yourself the Tool PBO Tuner2 and, depending on how good your sample is, set the curve to -30 or up to -50, that will lower the Voltage, gets a few degrees more wiggleroom for cooling and helps with boostclocks. On my X570 Aorus Pro, the allcore Boost was just at 4.3GHz, but after that little Tool applied the curve, only Prime manages to drag it down from now pretty much perma 4.45GHz to 4.3 again with the max heat test, not even Cinebench can do that now. Nice extra effect: if at full boost, the 5800X3D is only, at worst, 10% and at best just 2-5% behind the original 5800X in general performance, so not much of a loss for non L3 cache intensive games or workloads either.
@@BLACKRACERONE your answer is misleading. It all depends on the game and you gave a bad example because most competitive games are heavily cpu bound such as League of Legends, CS GO, Valorant. Upgrading from a 3070 will have no impact for these games as opposed to upgrading to a higher single core performance cpu.
Just went from a 2700 ryzen7 65w chip to a 5700x itx system, definitely an improvement , still runs quiet and cool, cinebench r15 I just ran was like 231fps with a 3070 zotac 2fan card, n got me wanting to put my new zotac 2fan 4070 in it now, its in my 3800xt system at the moment..the itx 5700x is hitting a little higher score too..
If you plan on running for a while then the 5800x3d will extend the life of your AM4. You should also be thinking of 32Gb ram and a faster GPU and a decent monitor as other things that could improve the gaming experience. It's not all about top FPS. FYI I run a 5800x3d with a 4090 and don't plan on a CPU upgrade for another year. I would say for the 3080 I had the 5800x was just fine and I would have not bothered had I not upgraded the GPU and realised how OP it was.
Agree. 5800X3D with 32GB DDR4 Dual Rank Ram 3600 CL16 and the 4070 TI is what i went for and it's a great build for 1440P and below. Actually, I would suggest the 7900XT over the 4070 TI, since now those have similar prices and 7900XT is more suited for higher resolutions. Or your 4090 for those that have the money.
I just want to say Thank You for testing at 4k. The normies will shout about benchmarking at 1080p, duh. Those of us that play at 4k get to see if you actually gain performance. Why bother testing at 1080 if you don't game at 1080.
This was a helpful video, thank you. I think it's worth considering the 7000 series in 2024 from Microcenter. Right now a 5800X3D would cost me 280USD, but a 7800X3D set with mobo + 32GB 6GHz ram would be 190 more at 470USD. This is a fairly decent jump in price, but I think it's worth it for me personally because I can never sell my old MOBO/RAM, but I can always sell a CPU bundle. I feel like people are more likely to buy a used 3800XT kit in 2024 than a used 5800X3D kit in 2027/28. So if you can manage to sell the entire set and get a little bit more than the ~150-200USD you can get from selling a used 3800XT alone, it might be worth jumping to AM5 with these Microcenter kits; opens you up for a 9000 series CPU only upgrade as well.
The prices have lowered to the point where if you are starting completely from scratch, it is more reasonable to go to AM5 and the 7800x3D. If you have an AM4 motherboard though, it's still better to go with the 5800x3D or the Microcenter 5600x3D.
i got the 7900xtx and i had the 3900x in my system ... the 3900x bottlenecked this card so much that the upgrade to the 5800x3d was absolutely worth it. but ONLY in this case imho ... in some games the FPS boostet to 100% more! double the fps in some titles, and in some its "just" 20-50%
Im in the same boat, considering an upgrade from my 3800x. But even a year after this video is made i personally cant see the value in upgrading to the 5800x3d. Not considering the iRacing (as i dont play it), realistically it an average of around 10% increase at 4K? I personally run at 1440 so I would have like to have seen these tests at a lower resolution. But considering the price for the 5800x3d in Australia is around $500 AUD, im not sure its worth it. I would rather wait another couple of years and wait till my system is pretty old and do a full upgrade. I want to see at least a 50% increase. By then PCI 4 or even PCI 5 storage & DDR5 will be well worth the upgrade and all the other advantages new tech will bring. Im going to save my money and buy a beast in a few years. Thanks for the video!
I had a Ryzen 7 3700x and was going to upgrade to the 5800X3D. I decided instead to upgrade to the Ryzen 9 5900X. It was a $10 price difference when I was shopping. I gained more cores, more threads and I can overclock the Ryzen 9 compared to the 5800X3D. It was an excellent choice for me. I saw huge gains.
You can overclock the 5800X3D. You're just limited to using bclck instead of the multiplier. I've OCed mine within 24 hours and already exceeded 5950X single core performance.
@@FlawleZ31 There is a little tool called PBO2Tuner that will let you undervolt each core and set other PBO settings. With mine I get -30 on all cores and the CPU runs at 4450 all cores under full load. It is also easier to tune in that the bios, as it avoid reboots. Just take care with bclk as your NVME may not like it and there is a chance of data corruption.
@@surfx4804 My bios allows setting the negative core offset. I run -10 CO and I can run up to 106.5 bclk. I know about about PBO2Tuner and I don't like to use software to achieve overclocks.
From 3600 to 5800x3D it was completely worth it. Frame rates a third higher, GPU at 100%, CPU now at about 30-40% max, temps at 65c for both, fans silent, sipping power, undervolt and cpu power limit reductions are reaping massive benefits with consistent 4.5 boost. I love it.
my gpu wont come out even without screws in it and all tabs open it just wont come out it just bent my hdmi and display ports slightly so i will just be getting a new pc in 4-5 years if i still am interested in them (i have a radeon 6600xt and a ryzen 7 3800x)
Microcenter is having a limited run of the Ryzen 5 5600X3D for $229. These are 6 core cpu's that are pretty much bad yields of 5800X3D's so other than the lower core count, its the same CPU. So if you're in the market for an upgrade and close to a Microcenter, its worth looking into
I did go to Microcenter 5600x3d $299.00 for MB/RAM/CPU the cpu was 173.00 not 229.00 but you have to buy the package. Almost same gaming performance of 5800x3d less power by 10-15 watts less heat. Moving to DDR5 was 200.00 more and moving to DDR + 7800x3d even more plus they are burning down some 7800 cpus also ddr5 ram issues. So the more stable tested and reliable DDR4 platform was safest choice. Very happy with it.
The recent Microcenter 7800X3D combo pricing completely changes the conclusion today. I walked in with a 5800x3d reserved, about to pay $300 to upgrade the cpu, on what is now a deadend AM4 platform. For $200 more I went 7800x3d AM5... sell my AM4 parts... mostly a wash and now I am on a high end current/new platform.
Lol dude at 4K the cpu doesnt matter. Its crazy how you look the part for someone who should know this but your knowledge is surface level. If this was at 1080p or 1440p then youd see a difference.
Modern games are still made on old engines focused on single and dual cores mostly, so having strong single cores is key. BUT game devs often work under conditions where they are forced to cut corners in the optimization process. And those unoptimized chunks of data are easier to compute when having large L3 caches. We see a lot of titles being published without being fully optimized and I think this "trend" will continue. Another advantage of upgrading to a 5800x3d might be a tight long-term focused upgrade path. What I mean is, if u currently play on 1440p and u wont upgrade pretty much anything in the next years, squeezing every drop out of ur system, then u surely will have a solid performance boost with the 5800x3D when playing on lower resolutions, since it becomes super CPU bound the lower the res. I personally think about upgrading from a 5600g wich is basically a 5500. I dont expect big gains in most modern titles in 1440p (except for Star citizen....huuuge gains), but I wanna keep the 1% lows in check, have some longevity in my system and I dont wanna have to replace the whole system. + this CPU is really cheap in terms of Power draw and it totally pays off within a fairly short time, dependant on what ur electricity prices are (unless ur CPU only needs like 60w like my 5600g 😅 ). So if u wanna keep most of ur current gaming oriented hardware for 1-2 or more generations, Im pretty sure this CPU is a very solid pick and will keep your system competetive for quite some time. I just cant imagine buying an intel CPU for almost 3 times the money, 3 times the power consumption, some more performance but no intergenerational support for the socket. So props to AMD for releasing this amazing CPU, which u can boost your almost 10 year old system with and still stay super competetive in all gaming oriented categories.
My AM4 mainboard is from 2017. I bought one of the most expensive mainboards back then because AMD promised that all the processors ever released on it would be supported. I started with a Ryzen 1700X 8 core processor back in 2017 that still was inferior to the 4 core Intel processors of that time but when you came from one of the first 4 core Intel processors (Sandybridge 2500K) it was a great update. And since then I never had any problems with running many programs simultanously! In 2020 I upgraded the processor to a 3800XT however. It was a BIG jump when it came to performance and with my graphics card (2080Ti) I realized that the old CPU was a big bottleneck for the GPU. The downside was that the 3800XT got incredibly hot during gaming. I have a water cooling system installed and I'm not kidding if I say that the 3800XT had a higher temperature of +20°C in almost any situation compared to the old processor. In summer my gaming room got unbearably hot and in winter it could heat the room up by its own alone! The 5800X3D was installed into my AM4 Mainboard in 2023 and the first obvious thing I noticed was the lower temperature and lower noise of my rig in almost any situation. And the performance is also great. Around 10-20% fps gain in most of the games even though it's not that obvious. (Because in compatitable games I already reached like 200-400fps with the 3800XT)
The AM4 socket is not old……..it’s not done……..best platform to ever come out. I’m still building on the seasoned AM4 platform and not regretting that at all. The 5800x3d is the best gaming CPU out there………and the key word here is “gaming”. You really could have gone with a better motherboard. At least a B550
why did you choose 4k when benchmarking cpu's? you even say, first thing, that warzone is bottlenecked by the GPU. How come you didn't just bump the resolution down to 1080p lol
I've just upgraded from my 5600x to the 5800x3D because looking at the requirements for EA's new unreal engine 5 game and it says you need an 8core cpu so I figured going forward with UE5 games this cpu would be worth the upgrade.
Erm which game are you talking about? Jedi Survivor is using UE4 which severly hurts the performance and EA is to be expected to use UE5 with Sims5 and ME5, but they will take some time to appear.
@@wolfwilkopter2231 they are very likely talking about an upcoming EU5 game, immortals of aveum. Which is fair enough as that game has massive cpu system requirements.
@@h1tzzYT Probably yeah, but that still needs time to end of August. And yeah CPU requirements are pretty high, with a 3700X minimum and recommended a 5700X for QHD Gameplay@ 60FPS... So yeah the 5800X3D will be quite a good upgrade for that.
@@h1tzzYT Well yeah, but who only upgrades because of *one* game eh?😉 The 5800X3D is the best Upgrade for AM4 anyways, so one cant get wrong if one does it now. The Upgrade brings the core and thread count up, brings the 3DV-cache 3x-ing the amount, which can make a massive improvement in some titles and even if it doesnt profit from the cache, it has, especially with a slight -30mV curve undervolting, the raw performance of the 5700X+ just shy of the 5800X, so its save in that department too.😊
I'm getting young Linus vibes here in that intro. Especially with that top cpu dangling precariously on the edge of the other cpu. But you're nailing today's Linus-level quality. Great video man. Hope you blow up on youtube!
I was CPU bound in MSFS with the 3800x and 2070Super @ 1440. M.2 failure was my excuse to upgrade to a 5800x3D paired with a noctua nh-d15s, new board, case, PS, and replacement M.2. Cannibalized the RAM, my other M.2 and 2 other storage drives, and RTX 2070 Super. My benchmarks in the sim is always in NYC, and seeing impressive gains there. Lows have gone from 25 to 35fps. Highs have gone from 45 to 60. Went from being CPU bound to GPU bound, which allows me to up items like LOD over 100 to even the load (high settings, 1440).
Yes!!!! It is definitely worth it. On shooters I get a extra 30-60 fps. On AAA games I get 10-20 extra fps, but with a graphical/texture increase. AAA games look better with this cpu.
great video from a true america/canadian dude love the review brother i have a 3900x, i do a bit of video editing and a bit of gaming, im just trying to determine if i sacrifice a bit of my video rendering times for faster gaming? i kind of want to upgrade to a 5800x3d i will see i can always go back to the 3900x if i feel like a 5800x3d video rendering is too slow.
My current specs: RoG Crosshair VI Hero X370, 3700x, 16GB (2x8GB) 3200 memory, RoG Strix 5700xt, and my monitor is 49" Samsung CHG90 3840x1080p. I've only recently considered upgrading after playing the Diablo 4 open beta and realizing my rig is literally the requirements for HIGH settings. Realizing 16gb ram is also not enough anymore either. I considered the 5800x3d, 6950xt, and 16gb of ram, but after seeing the benchmark videos across the board, I think I can still hold off until the fall if not until next year. What I did do is buy another 2x8Gb of the same Ram kit. I now got 32GB DDR4 3200 @ 3466mhz, 4+ years worth of bios updates, Undervolt and OC my RoG STrix with the best profile for the best performance with lowest Temps, and I activated Smart Access Memory. Now I'm good for the next open beta on May 12th-14th. Depending on how my machine runs will determine if I need to shell out the money or wait.
Managed to pick one of these up for £230 so a pretty cheap upgrade for me if I flip my 3900x. The interesting thing for me as someone playing at 1440p is that while I might not see too big a jump at native resolution, the gains at 1080p look to be pretty big - worth noting for DLSS
You can't test a CPU in 4K because you run in a GPU Bottleneck in most scenarios, then it doesn't matter which CPU you are using. More Pixels more GPU power needed.
I upgraded last week from a 3700x to a 5800x3d. I play quite some games but WoW did see the biggest increase its hilarious. From 78 - 90 all the way to 144
Thanks for the vid! Was looking if it's worth the upgrade for music production (requires high single core performance). Would you think this is the right upgrade (coming from a 3800x) or should I perhaps even look into getting the 5950x?
In your case the 5950x might be a better option but going intel might be something to look at too with single core performance (cost would be more with needing a new cpu and motherboard of course). The gains in upgrading to the 3D cpus is mostly only in gaming where outside of that the 5950x would have better performance. I use protools 12 on my second computer that still has a 3800x and honestly I'm fine with it. A core i7 or i9 would work better and is whats recommended from my research but with plugins and everything I dont see the need from my workflows but you might be different.
Im considering upgrading from my 2400g/rx570(4GB) combo to a 5800x3d/7800xt (16GB) combo. I know its a big upgrade but I want to see at least 100% gaming performance no matter what I play. Plus I want productivity tasks to be dramatically improved as well. $850 is a lot of money to me.
AMD HHHHYZEN 3800 XT here, im good for now, it's a good combo with my 3080 at 1440p. I don't get teh benchmarks ppl doing 1080p like medium settings, who wants to play at that?
yes, especially if you play 1440p, high details, or 1080p, with Ray Tracing. then the cpu will be important. 4k, i was surprised that a gain was preset. good idea to test this !
I mainly run emulators and vr racing and fight sims, so i sof probably upgrade my 3700x. What performance monitoring software are you using? I tried msi Afterburner but it doesn't look as clean as yours.
@@TheBenCrazy You did a really good job creating that nice custom overlay. Would you ever consider making a guide video showing how to make such a nice looking Afterburner overlay?
Its crazy how fast technology moves, i'm still on R7 3700x (Zen 2) when Zen 5 is coming soon. I'll probably upgrade to Zen 4 and call it a day. The annoying part is getting a new motherboard and DDR5 Ram but i suppose its a meaningful upgrade that'll last years.
It makes more sense to wait for Zen5 if you're on Zen2 like me. New CPUs will put downward pressure on the current ones and our 3700X's are still strong enough to chug along a bit further.
What settings did you use for these games? what resolution? I think I missed that. The reason I ask is because testing at 4k for example won't really show us how big of a jump we are getting on the cpu since we are primarily gpu bottle necked at this point for cpu averages vs say 1080p where we will see more cpu gains.
I tested at 4k to show what games are CPU or GPU bottlenecked so you can make a more informed decision based on the games you play. If the games you play are GPU bound, upgrading to a new CPU won't really benefit you and would be a waste of money. I recommend checking out @GamersNexus on the 5800x3D to get more results at lower resolutions.
Great video exactly what I needed cuz I'm in the same situation. I belive itll be pointless to upgrade to the 5800x3d and a new gpu at this time. especially when the 7800x3d is only $50+. Yes I do need to upgrade mobo and ram but that's mandatory. So for the same amount I built my old rig around $1500 it definitely be worth it in my opinion
idk why i got this video because it's useless YOU DON'T TEST CPU in 4K... It's done in 1080p where the system uses more CPU. The only thing you proved was you need a new GPU if you want more fps in 4K.... Waste of money.
I wish these bechmarkers would stop doing synthetic benchmarks for x3d cpus, its known that kts not going to do that well vs is non 3d counterpart. Theyre clocked lower and ot dlesnt care about anout cache. One of the types of games that many don't benchmark with the x3d are multiplayer games like WoW or even Ff14 the difference is massive in those games, i know you did the gta 5 benchmark, but gta online gameplay shows a big improvement as well. Your normal triple A single player experiences, not usually quite as much.
I'm also considering if it's worth for me to upgrade to a 5800X3D with my monitor setup being 4K 60hz, but I'm pretty sure most people gaming in this price range are on high refresh 1440p monitors. Testing at that resolution will produce a very different performance delta between these two CPUs.
TheBenCrazy : you still have used too weak of a GPU like the RTX 3080 10GB is....to really see the Ryzen 7 5800X3D shine in its performance, one has to use at least an AMD RX 6900 XT 16GB, RTX 4080 16GB, RTX 3090 (Ti) 24GB or above these three that are in rasterization very close to equal.
Hey so I've been thinking about upgrading, I know this video isn't, but it helps with my current cpu situation. I have a 3800x with the stock cooler, an asrock b550 pro4, and an rx 5700 xt while playing at 1440p 120hz. Main games I play are Halo Infinite, Sea Of Thieves, Rainbow Six Siege, and indie games/emulation. In Halo for example, I can't exactly hit stable 120fps unless if I'm playing forge maps unless if my games looks like crap (for normal gameplay i play at 1080p with res scaling @ 120, no dynamic scaling though). Do you think I should upgrade up to a 5800x3d and a new motherboard or a new gpu, and would a motherboard swap not be needed (the vrms on this board are not great afaik, hence why I'm asking.)
Motherboard swap is not needed, just need to upgrade the firmware. It would definitely be cheaper to upgrade the cpu instead of the gpu but im not sure what fps gains you will see exactly with those games. It all depends on if they are hitting the cpu harder or the gpu but I do think you will see a significant bump but thats just my opinion. I dont have hard numbers to give you the exact facts.
If you are an average mortal trying to build pc from scratch. Yes, 5800x3d is still worth it. The cpu can handle 4090 without bottleneck the gpu. and you can wait till the 4090 is affordable and keep your old pc setup. If you the 1% where money is no object, then No. get the latest and greatest.
You're bouncing as you speak, while shaking the counter with the boxes on... Feels like my eyeballs are shaking. WZ2 also has a synth benchmark in the menu
@@Purified1k Its both, better GPU to see how much the CPU can push a high end GPU, when the GPU is not the limiting factor anymore, but yeah testing a CPU in GPU limited titles witha semi UHD capaple card in UHD has put a brake on the CPU performance, which wouldve been able to push much more, if it wasnt severly hampered by the, at this high res, weak GPU. Which he confirmed with that racinggame, as the GPU was not the most limiting factor and the CPU could power thru, thanks to its cache and higher IPC. Saw another video with that game iirc, played at UWFHD (3 1080p Monitors) with a 3070 or 3070Ti coming from a 3900X upgraded to a 5800X3D but also tested the 5800X, there the non 3D CPU performed clock and IPC wise better but that was 10-20%, but the X3D gave it a good DOUBLING in FPS.
I'm not sure that.4k would have been the best to bench on 1440p would have been better I went from a ryzen 5 3600x and a 2070s to a 5900x and a 4070ti and I've doubled my fps I play at 1440p 165hz monitor atm and I'm at ultra not medium to low my timespy score went from 6.8k to 20k with a 23k graphics score My plan is either duel monitors 27inch or a 34 wide/27inch , my next build won't be till the am5 socket has been around for 2 or 4 years hopefully things will be cheaper, either way 4 years more on am4 would have been 8 years on the platform by then
doesn´t make sense to test cpu`s in a scenatio where the gpu is the limiting factor. reduce settings and resolution until your gpu clearly shows that your cpu is the bottleneck otherwise this is pointless
5700x will probably be a better deal compared to 5800x3d for the foreseeable future. 5800x is just an power-hungry overclocked version of 5700x and 5800x3d patches on 64 gigs of poorer quality l3 cache that's a nice-to-have that only occasionally comes into effect. 5800x3d will prolly never be a better perf-per-buck deal regardless of where you live.
TheBenCrazy : there is smth seriously wrong with your setup, either driver related or BIOS setting related....approximately half of outlets tested the 5800X3D as being around 30-45 % faster than the 5800X....especially in games like Marvels Spider Man Remastered....or actually in most modern games. You should check it out because it looks as if your RTX 3080 GPU isn't fast enough to utilize the CPU. In case of RTX 3070 Ti, the 5800X and 5800X3D are practically neck by neck....but when one uses the RX 6800 XT, RTX 3090 or above, they become day and night.
I tested at 4k to show what games are cpu or gpu bottlenecked so you can make a more informed decision based on the games you play. I recommend checking out Gamers Nexus's video on the 5800x3D to get more results at lower resolutions
I would highly recommend watching Gamers Nexus's video linked below for the newest comparisons between the different CPUs. At this time with the stock of 5800X3D's going down causing the prices to go up, it makes more sense to get the 5700X3D instead if you want to stay on the AM4 platform.
ruclips.net/video/WRK30P9_Tvg/видео.htmlsi=zFTFJaCdYHF5Jxpk
CPU tests should be done in 1080p, not in 4K...
Not if you want to know what kind of performance increase you get in 4k 😂
@@cameron818i hope by now you now this but just in case i wanted to inform you that 4k is by much not as demanding as 1080p to the cpu, as you upgrade the resolution it is more and more demanding to the gpu, but to the cpu it become less and less demanding, that means, if you want to play at 4k a good graphic cards is needed and a goodish processor to keep up with the graphic, but at 1080p you need a crappy graphic cards and a really good processor, like, if you pair a 3800x with a 6800x you wont have bootleneck when playing at 1440p or 2160p but when playing at 1080p you might have a slight bootleneck because the processor starts limiting your gpu a Little because to a good gpu 1080p is easy, so it demands a lot fps to the processor, like Lets say 500fps but the processor not being able to provide the gpu with so many fps as she might need to work perfectly at that low resolution means the cpu is limiting the gpu becuae is unable to provide her with resources so 3800x with a 6800 handles best 4k and 1440 than it does 1080p, on the contrary, the 5800x3d paired with a 6800 as well handles better 1080p and 1440p but a lil worse 4k because the processor is better than the graphics card and is able to provide more fps than the graphics card is able to handle in some scenarios like 4k, this doesn't mean is bad, just so you know that in fact processor test should be run at 1080p
@@cameron818 That gain is from the GPU
I upgraded from a 3700X to the 5800X3d just last year. There was quite a jump in results. More than happy with the upgrade.
I'm happy to see this. I've got a 3700X and I've been thinking about upgrading to the 5800X3D. Feels like my current CPU is holding back my 3080 TI
@@51H0N thinking about the same thing. Same cpu as well with RTX 3060 12GB and it’s killing me when it comes to Msfs. Tarkov. Xplane. Beamng multiplayer… hoping this will be a big help and can let me hold off on upgrading the GPU for at least a other year. 😅
Same thinking ... i have 3700x and I want to update my CPU and also GPU ...
I upgraded from 3700x and difference was yuge, esp in Tarkov and BF2042
@@51H0N by god it is, 3080 and 3700x is like driving a Porsche with wheelbarrow tires
Pulled the trigger for a 5800x3D for $299.99 to replace my 3900x. Technically… yes it’s a “downgrade” in cores. But, I don’t really need the extra cores anymore, since most applications I use are mostly GPU anyway.
Same. But I fomo'd a 7900xtx and I can't utilize it outside ray tracing so here we go boys!
How big is the difference in performance? I have a 3900x and RTX 4070ti but play most games with DLSS upscaled to 4K so wandering is it worth the upgrade as I don't play native 4K very often.
I usually play FPS games at higher framerates. Like OW2 & Rainbow Six Siege. I would get 500 FPS on OW2 and Siege, vs. my 360 FPS back then. I also play newer games/emulate, so the IPC jump and 3D Vcache has been helping reduce stutters and 0.1% lows. The only thing that sucks is just how snappy it felt with 12 cores. But I’m ok daily driving this machine. It’s the last upgrade anyway for this rig.
I have a 3900x with a 5700xt and am about to snag a 7900xt or 6950xt maybe both haha. Anyway, I am worried about the lower clocks bottle necking a higher end GPU with the low clocks. Not for nothing your 3900x had 64mb L3 cache, although I think it may be split between the ccds. I’m considering the 5900x instead tbh, I like higher clocks. Lol anyway from everything I’ve seen it will at least provide better 1% lows but not sure if it will provide me personally the best performance for my money as I don’t only just game.
@@doubleshot9448
A 5900x would be a great combo for those GPUs. Or you could go AM5 perhaps
I switched from my 3800xt to a 5800x3d today. I use a rtx 3070ti gpu. I mainly play world of warcraft classic which is a single core 2004 engine. I went from 70-80fps in the main city dalaran to 140-170 fps with 5800x3d.
Its all depending on which game you use, for me, this was a huuge upgrade for the buck. Seemingly MMO's especially love the cache!!
Did you need a new Fan?
@@DefianceOrDeath No
At what resolution?
I just swapped my 3600X for the 5800X3D and saw a clear bump in frames in the CPU-heavy game I am currently binging (X4: Foundations.) Pretty sure this and the RTX 3070 will hold me over for at least 4-5 more years. I may keep an eye on higher end team red graphics cards in the meantime.
Hi! Thank you for this video, I'm exactly in the same situation as you, playing mostly CPU-bound titles, having a RTX 3080 and R7 3700X but with a B550 board and 16GB of RAM. Your video is not the first I watched about the topic of upgrading to R7 5800X3D from Ryzen 3000 family but It definitely reassured me even more about the upgrade and whether it's worth the money.
I'm in the same situation as you, currently have a 3700x with 16 gb RAM. Used to have a 2060 super but recently bought the 4070 ti and the CPU bottleneck at 1440 is HUGE, even with the 2060 super I had bottleneck in several games. So I bought the 5800x3D and will probably install it on Friday, really looking forward to see some huge performance gains. Something most people showing these benchmarks on RUclips miss is showing Raytracing titles. The performance demands on the CPU are something to consider when using ray tracing. For example my 3700x can only give around 50 fps in Cyberpunk with ray tracing, it actually bottlenecked a little my 2060 super in that game. Today I also tested the new overdrive mode and now it bottlenecks even lower at around 30-40. Another title I get bottleneck is Spiderman with RT at around 50 fps and the new Witcher 3 also at 50 fps. Frame generation helps a lot but I'm looking forward to when I install the 5800x3D and see some insane improvements.
@@rincoman192 how was the 5800x3d after u install it cuz im also playing on 2k maximum settings + ray tracing i have the 3080 ti im not sure about upgrading what do u think
@Mr CrAzY I say go for it I just installed it today and have been seeing huge performance gains from my 3700x.
@@vMrCrAzY I have to say it was a very significant upgrade, on Spider-Man fps got way better, on warzone almost double, and on the Witcher 3 improved a lot. The only issue I have are temps, bought an ag620 which many people recommended and fitted in my case but temps hover around 80 degrees and sometimes go to 86. As comparison my brother bought the same cooler for his 7700x and gets way better temps than me. Apart from that I really recommend the cpu if you don’t want to sell your mobo and ram the performance gains are really great.
@@rincoman192 Undervolt it! My 5800x3D went from 80c down to 64c without loss of performance. I have noctua dh15? From 1.200v down to 1.13xxv in bios settings 16gb ram 3200
Total wasted money. Instead of upgrading my 3700X to a 5800X3D I upgraded my RTX2070Super to an RTX4070Super which is much better performance per dollar increase and because I game in 4K I am GPU bound, not CPU bound.
So I've just upgraded from 3800X to 5800X3D and it's NOT worth it. Go for completely new AM5 platform, this is not an upgrade. Maybe it's gonna be more usefull after GPU upgrade, but if you think you will keep your 3-5 years old GPU and 5800X3D will bring you more FPS, than no. Only difference is in 720p or with DLSS on ultra performance (which is also rendered in 720p), 1440p or 4K (native) is the same, there is no difference between these 2 CPUs and CPU benchmarks say that there is just like + few percents for 5800X3D. I bought it because it's pretty cheap now, so why not, but I would say that build something already on 7000 series is probably better.
For example super Pi 2M (sinhle thread performance) is like 9 vs 8s, Cinebench single core 515 vs 580, that's really not an upgrade, but yeah, it's at least slightly better. I would probably recommend more like 5950X because of more cores, you you will have advantage at least in software and games which can benefits from multithread, sinhle thread performance should be very similar.
The issue I have seen with IRacing is it’s more cpu bound then anything. Even with a 3080 it didn’t seem to upgrade in the fps department from my 2060. It might not be running at 100% but it still is limited by it so that’s why it’s a crazy increase
His video card is the problem, he's testing at 4K. He's bottlenecking at the GPU.
Who ´s playing 1080p with high end pc? It is better to invest in gpu. Even my 1800x is not pushed over 25% in game like fs2020 in 1440p high/ultra settings with my 1080ti. I bet i can play 4k60 ultra with a rtx 4090. Cpu is fine at 4k
@@CC-gt3ro he doesn't have an RTX4090, his benchmarks are no different between the cpu, that means his GPU is bottle necking, I never said you can't play 4K on the CPU.
@@CC-gt3ro You shouldn't do CPU benchmarks at 4k
Thanks for making this video. I've been wondering about this since the 5800x3D came out.
That iRacing gain is impressive. Maybe I will pull the trigger on an upgrade
yea it is especially in 4k dude i do 4k gaming but that ps3 emulator is what i want because 3900x does it fine hell almost any chip can, but still some games like killzone 2 just need single core performance.
I saved tons of money with the 5800X3D,. Since all the cache that has, even cheap DDR4 Ram get the job done and it's great paired with a 4070 TI/7900XT/3080 TI/6950XT. With your setup, could I suggest to add some 1440P benchmarks ? Thanks for this video and have a good weekend.
I run 5800X3D with a 3070 at 1440p and saw huge increases over the R5 3600. I was not expecting these improvements to scale at 4K, especially with a 3080. Thanks for the in-depth testing.
Did the same
Then put a 4070ti in it. 😅
@@iconoclastvii Put a used 3090 in mine a couple weeks ago. So nice.
@@Actiatam is a good time to be a gamer.
can you play warzone2 1440p basic options with dlss balanced and tell me fps ?
I have r5-5600x with 3070 and have CPU issue goes around 130fps
I upgraded from my 3600, huge difference even in graphic demanding games at 1440p, and only with a rx 6800. I play a lot of MMO's though and they love the vcache.
I recently upgraded from a 3700x to a 5700x, and I found your comparison very interesting. I know you are a small channel. So I certainly appreciate your hard work. One suggestion though. Either keep your hands off of the small table you are using, or try filming on a more stable surface. I was starting to get dizzy from the shaking, lol. Keep up the great work.
I did the same upgrade and havnt really noticed much difference,did you?i olay mainly in vr though
@@robertmcmahon4549 I haven't done any gaming on it yet to see.
I currently game on a 5800x3D, and my son is using my old 3700X. I have absolutely no regrets and my CPU keeps up with my 7900XTX just fine.
The only problem is, this isn't where the CPU shines. You should test this with competitive gaming more in mind. As you need to do the tests in 1080p and 1440p. Which one can actually provide more fps for high refresh rates.
Id say thats what you call confirmation bias, sure you can test all games at 720p or with 4090 and bottleneck the heck out of cpu in every game.
At least how i understood, this comparison however is more for real world and what the author personally actually use, rather than creating borderline synthetic testing methodology. Not to mention that author clearly tested cpu limited scenarios as well, like iracing and rpcs3.
@@h1tzzYT No, the whole reason behind CPU testing is to see how well they can actually make a difference in comparison. But even with the most latest CPUS at 4k or higher there is no point in a CPU upgrade. As you can see IRacing being one of the very few games that get an actual performance difference at 4k sense its so CPU bound with the new cache. But at 1080p there would be an actual difference between the 3800x and the 5800x3d. For example, GTA would be hitting around the cap of 180fps while the 3800x hitting around 120fps. Then lets include the facts. Majority of people still play on 1080p for high refresh rate gaming. Including me normally switching from 1080p to 1440p depending on the games with a rtx 4080. So in a real world scenario, more people like to play with high refresh rates more often then high resolution especially in competitive games. Its a very small portion of gamers who not only can't afford but actually want to play on 4k all the time, let alone very often. But I suppose Slowly the default is switching from 1080p to 1440p.
@@Purified1k Look, i get it, you and i understand that "ideal" scenario is to test in fully cpu limited workloads by forcing super low resolutions or super fast gpus (or combination of both) to see the max possible difference between cpus. But there are sooo many comparisons made already on YT in similar fashion.
Besides as you saw its not as simple as "at 4k, cpu doesnt matter" as clearly shown in the video, it really depends on your games and apps. On top of that i highly doubt that "majority of users play on 1080p 144hz+", 1080p? sure, steam survey at least indicate that but for refresh rate i highly doubt it as 60hz is still golden standard for total player userbase.
My main take away is that there are more ways to test cpus, as much as i appreciate testing in so called "ideal" conditions, i also like to see testing in real world conditions, or at least those which seems more relevant for actual use case.
Thanks for the tests but why didn't you also test at lower resolution to remove the GPU bottleneck?
It would have given us a much better picture of which CPU is the best today and also which CPU can handle future GPU upgrades best (or how much better the 5800x3d can handle an upgrade).
This aspect is clearly the most relevant when upgrading from an already great CPU to and other great CPU:p
That is fair. I would recommend watching Gamers Nexus's review of the 5800x3D as they did more extensive testing than I could do. The issue is they don't have the 3800x on their graphs if that is a cpu you have
Good presentation! I arrived at similar conclusion, however went from a 3800x/2080 to a 5900x/4070ti. Should be good for a number of years..
This is an excellent video other than the issue with your benchmarks. Look at your GPU usage in the overlay, it should be well under 80/90 percent in order to completely remove the GPU from the equation and get meaningful data. Next time simply drop the resolution down to 1080P and it will induce enough bottleneck to get useful results. Your results here don't tell us anything cause your entirely GPU bound. Other than that, keep up the good work.
Outstanding video. I have a 3800XT and plan on picking up the 5800XD. I play at 1440p and do play older CPU intensive games like Skyrim and Total War Rome II. I watched another video where there was not much of a bump in performance with this CPU and 3070, the same GPU I have, but in that video most of the games were GPU intensive. The 5800XD seems to be worth it if you play many types of games and don't plan to buy into how expensive current gen hardware is right now. Motherboard prices are a complete ripoff!
there is a massive bump, specially if you play competitive games, you just need a better GPU rather a 3070..
Yeah playing with the setup in the video at UHD, is mostly harshly GPU limited, as the 3080 is not exactly a UHD card, so there is not much room for improvement, same goes for a 3070 at QHD, but when it comes to harshly CPU bound games and hard modding...well even those cards can suddenly pump out some nice extra FPS and much better lows.
Cyberpunk, after my old Ryzen 7 3700X, now with my 5800X3D(32GB DDR4 3600CL16) at QHD with my RTX 3080 Aorus Master 12GB saw just minimal average increase with DLSS 2 Quality and RT on Ultra/Psycho, but the lows were much better, there the CPU is managing npcs and co much better.
Same for the Witcher3 with RT in Novigrad at Hierarch's Square, not much more FPS but much more consistent and smooth.
Skyrim on the other hand, with way over a 1000Mods including Faster SMP, Body mods, physics heavy armors, craptons of added NPCs and critters etc, keeps up way better and doesnt drop as hard in Whiterun anymore.
Several other Games and MMOs also saw sometimes strong increases in performance, especially with crowded areas but also in general.
Pro Tip:
If your BIOS doesnt support it directly, get yourself the Tool PBO Tuner2 and, depending on how good your sample is, set the curve to -30 or up to -50, that will lower the Voltage, gets a few degrees more wiggleroom for cooling and helps with boostclocks.
On my X570 Aorus Pro, the allcore Boost was just at 4.3GHz, but after that little Tool applied the curve, only Prime manages to drag it down from now pretty much perma 4.45GHz to 4.3 again with the max heat test, not even Cinebench can do that now.
Nice extra effect: if at full boost, the 5800X3D is only, at worst, 10% and at best just 2-5% behind the original 5800X in general performance, so not much of a loss for non L3 cache intensive games or workloads either.
@@BLACKRACERONE your answer is misleading. It all depends on the game and you gave a bad example because most competitive games are heavily cpu bound such as League of Legends, CS GO, Valorant. Upgrading from a 3070 will have no impact for these games as opposed to upgrading to a higher single core performance cpu.
Just went from a 2700 ryzen7 65w chip to a 5700x itx system, definitely an improvement , still runs quiet and cool, cinebench r15 I just ran was like 231fps with a 3070 zotac 2fan card, n got me wanting to put my new zotac 2fan 4070 in it now, its in my 3800xt system at the moment..the itx 5700x is hitting a little higher score too..
If you plan on running for a while then the 5800x3d will extend the life of your AM4. You should also be thinking of 32Gb ram and a faster GPU and a decent monitor as other things that could improve the gaming experience. It's not all about top FPS.
FYI I run a 5800x3d with a 4090 and don't plan on a CPU upgrade for another year. I would say for the 3080 I had the 5800x was just fine and I would have not bothered had I not upgraded the GPU and realised how OP it was.
Agree. 5800X3D with 32GB DDR4 Dual Rank Ram 3600 CL16 and the 4070 TI is what i went for and it's a great build for 1440P and below. Actually, I would suggest the 7900XT over the 4070 TI, since now those have similar prices and 7900XT is more suited for higher resolutions. Or your 4090 for those that have the money.
I just want to say Thank You for testing at 4k. The normies will shout about benchmarking at 1080p, duh. Those of us that play at 4k get to see if you actually gain performance.
Why bother testing at 1080 if you don't game at 1080.
Thank you for including Iracing!!!!! It definitely is one of the most demanding and NO ONE includes it when comparing cpu or GPU’s.
This was a helpful video, thank you.
I think it's worth considering the 7000 series in 2024 from Microcenter. Right now a 5800X3D would cost me 280USD, but a 7800X3D set with mobo + 32GB 6GHz ram would be 190 more at 470USD. This is a fairly decent jump in price, but I think it's worth it for me personally because I can never sell my old MOBO/RAM, but I can always sell a CPU bundle. I feel like people are more likely to buy a used 3800XT kit in 2024 than a used 5800X3D kit in 2027/28. So if you can manage to sell the entire set and get a little bit more than the ~150-200USD you can get from selling a used 3800XT alone, it might be worth jumping to AM5 with these Microcenter kits; opens you up for a 9000 series CPU only upgrade as well.
The prices have lowered to the point where if you are starting completely from scratch, it is more reasonable to go to AM5 and the 7800x3D.
If you have an AM4 motherboard though, it's still better to go with the 5800x3D or the Microcenter 5600x3D.
dude your Papyrus shrine and love of iRacing is incredible. Great video man, keep it up!
Thanks for including rpcs3- you've convinced me to bite the bullet and upgrade my 3700x. Looking forward to pairing this with my new 6800xt gpu.
i got the 7900xtx and i had the 3900x in my system ... the 3900x bottlenecked this card so much that the upgrade to the 5800x3d was absolutely worth it. but ONLY in this case imho ... in some games the FPS boostet to 100% more! double the fps in some titles, and in some its "just" 20-50%
Im in the same boat, considering an upgrade from my 3800x. But even a year after this video is made i personally cant see the value in upgrading to the 5800x3d. Not considering the iRacing (as i dont play it), realistically it an average of around 10% increase at 4K? I personally run at 1440 so I would have like to have seen these tests at a lower resolution. But considering the price for the 5800x3d in Australia is around $500 AUD, im not sure its worth it. I would rather wait another couple of years and wait till my system is pretty old and do a full upgrade. I want to see at least a 50% increase. By then PCI 4 or even PCI 5 storage & DDR5 will be well worth the upgrade and all the other advantages new tech will bring. Im going to save my money and buy a beast in a few years.
Thanks for the video!
I had a Ryzen 7 3700x and was going to upgrade to the 5800X3D. I decided instead to upgrade to the Ryzen 9 5900X. It was a $10 price difference when I was shopping. I gained more cores, more threads and I can overclock the Ryzen 9 compared to the 5800X3D. It was an excellent choice for me. I saw huge gains.
You can overclock the 5800X3D. You're just limited to using bclck instead of the multiplier. I've OCed mine within 24 hours and already exceeded 5950X single core performance.
@@FlawleZ31 teach me how
@@FlawleZ31 There is a little tool called PBO2Tuner that will let you undervolt each core and set other PBO settings. With mine I get -30 on all cores and the CPU runs at 4450 all cores under full load. It is also easier to tune in that the bios, as it avoid reboots.
Just take care with bclk as your NVME may not like it and there is a chance of data corruption.
@@surfx4804 My bios allows setting the negative core offset. I run -10 CO and I can run up to 106.5 bclk. I know about about PBO2Tuner and I don't like to use software to achieve overclocks.
@@FlawleZ31 Looks like you can do that independently of the PCIe speed then.
From 3600 to 5800x3D it was completely worth it. Frame rates a third higher, GPU at 100%, CPU now at about 30-40% max, temps at 65c for both, fans silent, sipping power, undervolt and cpu power limit reductions are reaping massive benefits with consistent 4.5 boost. I love it.
my gpu wont come out even without screws in it and all tabs open it just wont come out it just bent my hdmi and display ports slightly so i will just be getting a new pc in 4-5 years if i still am interested in them (i have a radeon 6600xt and a ryzen 7 3800x)
Microcenter is having a limited run of the Ryzen 5 5600X3D for $229. These are 6 core cpu's that are pretty much bad yields of 5800X3D's so other than the lower core count, its the same CPU. So if you're in the market for an upgrade and close to a Microcenter, its worth looking into
Amazon prime days has the 5800X3d for ~$278 right now, for today and tomorrow!
I did go to Microcenter 5600x3d $299.00 for MB/RAM/CPU the cpu was 173.00 not 229.00 but you have to buy the package. Almost same gaming performance of 5800x3d less power by 10-15 watts less heat. Moving to DDR5 was 200.00 more and moving to DDR + 7800x3d even more plus they are burning down some 7800 cpus also ddr5 ram issues. So the more stable tested and reliable DDR4 platform was safest choice. Very happy with it.
The recent Microcenter 7800X3D combo pricing completely changes the conclusion today. I walked in with a 5800x3d reserved, about to pay $300 to upgrade the cpu, on what is now a deadend AM4 platform. For $200 more I went 7800x3d AM5... sell my AM4 parts... mostly a wash and now I am on a high end current/new platform.
Lol dude at 4K the cpu doesnt matter. Its crazy how you look the part for someone who should know this but your knowledge is surface level. If this was at 1080p or 1440p then youd see a difference.
Thank you for this review, I have the 5800x3D and in iracing is a monster
Modern games are still made on old engines focused on single and dual cores mostly, so having strong single cores is key. BUT game devs often work under conditions where they are forced to cut corners in the optimization process. And those unoptimized chunks of data are easier to compute when having large L3 caches. We see a lot of titles being published without being fully optimized and I think this "trend" will continue.
Another advantage of upgrading to a 5800x3d might be a tight long-term focused upgrade path. What I mean is, if u currently play on 1440p and u wont upgrade pretty much anything in the next years, squeezing every drop out of ur system, then u surely will have a solid performance boost with the 5800x3D when playing on lower resolutions, since it becomes super CPU bound the lower the res.
I personally think about upgrading from a 5600g wich is basically a 5500. I dont expect big gains in most modern titles in 1440p (except for Star citizen....huuuge gains), but I wanna keep the 1% lows in check, have some longevity in my system and I dont wanna have to replace the whole system. + this CPU is really cheap in terms of Power draw and it totally pays off within a fairly short time, dependant on what ur electricity prices are (unless ur CPU only needs like 60w like my 5600g 😅 ).
So if u wanna keep most of ur current gaming oriented hardware for 1-2 or more generations, Im pretty sure this CPU is a very solid pick and will keep your system competetive for quite some time.
I just cant imagine buying an intel CPU for almost 3 times the money, 3 times the power consumption, some more performance but no intergenerational support for the socket. So props to AMD for releasing this amazing CPU, which u can boost your almost 10 year old system with and still stay super competetive in all gaming oriented categories.
My AM4 mainboard is from 2017. I bought one of the most expensive mainboards back then because AMD promised that all the processors ever released on it would be supported.
I started with a Ryzen 1700X 8 core processor back in 2017 that still was inferior to the 4 core Intel processors of that time but when you came from one of the first 4 core Intel processors (Sandybridge 2500K) it was a great update.
And since then I never had any problems with running many programs simultanously!
In 2020 I upgraded the processor to a 3800XT however. It was a BIG jump when it came to performance and with my graphics card (2080Ti) I realized that the old CPU was a big bottleneck for the GPU. The downside was that the 3800XT got incredibly hot during gaming. I have a water cooling system installed and I'm not kidding if I say that the 3800XT had a higher temperature of +20°C in almost any situation compared to the old processor. In summer my gaming room got unbearably hot and in winter it could heat the room up by its own alone!
The 5800X3D was installed into my AM4 Mainboard in 2023 and the first obvious thing I noticed was the lower temperature and lower noise of my rig in almost any situation.
And the performance is also great. Around 10-20% fps gain in most of the games even though it's not that obvious. (Because in compatitable games I already reached like 200-400fps with the 3800XT)
Perfect video, I play similar games including iracing and motorstorm and was just thinking about upgrading from 3800x to 5800x3d lol. Thanks!
Perfect video, thanks! I have the 3800X and am trying to decide to upgrade to this or just wait until I can afford to upgrade to AM5.
I think I'll pass on the upgrade myself, and go to AM5 when it has to be.
Good luck on the mustache; I believe in you!
Thanks I've decided to upgrade my 3800x as well, just need to find a good deal here in AU 😆
The AM4 socket is not old……..it’s not done……..best platform to ever come out. I’m still building on the seasoned AM4 platform and not regretting that at all. The 5800x3d is the best gaming CPU out there………and the key word here is “gaming”. You really could have gone with a better motherboard. At least a B550
why did you choose 4k when benchmarking cpu's? you even say, first thing, that warzone is bottlenecked by the GPU. How come you didn't just bump the resolution down to 1080p lol
Read the description
I've just upgraded from my 5600x to the 5800x3D because looking at the requirements for EA's new unreal engine 5 game and it says you need an 8core cpu so I figured going forward with UE5 games this cpu would be worth the upgrade.
Erm which game are you talking about?
Jedi Survivor is using UE4 which severly hurts the performance and EA is to be expected to use UE5 with Sims5 and ME5, but they will take some time to appear.
@@wolfwilkopter2231 they are very likely talking about an upcoming EU5 game, immortals of aveum. Which is fair enough as that game has massive cpu system requirements.
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Probably yeah, but that still needs time to end of August.
And yeah CPU requirements are pretty high, with a 3700X minimum and recommended a 5700X for QHD Gameplay@ 60FPS...
So yeah the 5800X3D will be quite a good upgrade for that.
@@wolfwilkopter2231 While i would wait for actual game to release before upgrading, i can understand where they are coming from
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Well yeah, but who only upgrades because of *one* game eh?😉
The 5800X3D is the best Upgrade for AM4 anyways, so one cant get wrong if one does it now.
The Upgrade brings the core and thread count up, brings the 3DV-cache 3x-ing the amount, which can make a massive improvement in some titles and even if it doesnt profit from the cache, it has, especially with a slight -30mV curve undervolting, the raw performance of the 5700X+ just shy of the 5800X, so its save in that department too.😊
I'm getting young Linus vibes here in that intro. Especially with that top cpu dangling precariously on the edge of the other cpu. But you're nailing today's Linus-level quality. Great video man. Hope you blow up on youtube!
how bout i'm a motherboard away from upgrading from a i7 4790k to a Ryzen 7 5800X3D oof and a 4790k is hard to believe 9 years old
This video has sold me on the upgrade (currently running the 3800X as well). As you said, can't predict the future but I think it's worth it.
was it worth it cuz I'm thinking of upgrading and i have a 3800x
I have exactly the Ryzen 7 3800x and it's not 3 years old, my PC is 5 years old, built in 2019.
I was CPU bound in MSFS with the 3800x and 2070Super @ 1440. M.2 failure was my excuse to upgrade to a 5800x3D paired with a noctua nh-d15s, new board, case, PS, and replacement M.2. Cannibalized the RAM, my other M.2 and 2 other storage drives, and RTX 2070 Super. My benchmarks in the sim is always in NYC, and seeing impressive gains there. Lows have gone from 25 to 35fps. Highs have gone from 45 to 60. Went from being CPU bound to GPU bound, which allows me to up items like LOD over 100 to even the load (high settings, 1440).
Man im glad I waited a year to get on am5. Got 7800x3d for 350$
Yes!!!! It is definitely worth it. On shooters I get a extra 30-60 fps. On AAA games I get 10-20 extra fps, but with a graphical/texture increase. AAA games look better with this cpu.
You don't seem to understand how this works
great video from a true america/canadian dude love the review brother i have a 3900x, i do a bit of video editing and a bit of gaming, im just trying to determine if i sacrifice a bit of my video rendering times for faster gaming? i kind of want to upgrade to a 5800x3d i will see i can always go back to the 3900x if i feel like a 5800x3d video rendering is too slow.
My current specs: RoG Crosshair VI Hero X370, 3700x, 16GB (2x8GB) 3200 memory, RoG Strix 5700xt, and my monitor is 49" Samsung CHG90 3840x1080p.
I've only recently considered upgrading after playing the Diablo 4 open beta and realizing my rig is literally the requirements for HIGH settings. Realizing 16gb ram is also not enough anymore either. I considered the 5800x3d, 6950xt, and 16gb of ram, but after seeing the benchmark videos across the board, I think I can still hold off until the fall if not until next year.
What I did do is buy another 2x8Gb of the same Ram kit.
I now got 32GB DDR4 3200 @ 3466mhz, 4+ years worth of bios updates, Undervolt and OC my RoG STrix with the best profile for the best performance with lowest Temps, and I activated Smart Access Memory.
Now I'm good for the next open beta on May 12th-14th. Depending on how my machine runs will determine if I need to shell out the money or wait.
Testing in 4K is essentially pointless as your GPU will be the bottleneck... 5800x3D provides a lot more gains when your GPU can keep up
Nice vid review. I had ryzen 2700 , 5700xt (2019) upgrade into ryzen 5900x with 6800xt around 2021 till present(2023).
Managed to pick one of these up for £230 so a pretty cheap upgrade for me if I flip my 3900x. The interesting thing for me as someone playing at 1440p is that while I might not see too big a jump at native resolution, the gains at 1080p look to be pretty big - worth noting for DLSS
Your little table is drunk, looks very funny!
You can't test a CPU in 4K because you run in a GPU Bottleneck in most scenarios, then it doesn't matter which CPU you are using. More Pixels more GPU power needed.
I upgraded last week from a 3700x to a 5800x3d. I play quite some games but WoW did see the biggest increase its hilarious. From 78 - 90 all the way to 144
It's crazy how even the i3 12100 is superior to the r7 3800x in most benchmarks. CPU''s are getting extremely more powerful each generation.
Thanks for the vid! Was looking if it's worth the upgrade for music production (requires high single core performance).
Would you think this is the right upgrade (coming from a 3800x) or should I perhaps even look into getting the 5950x?
In your case the 5950x might be a better option but going intel might be something to look at too with single core performance (cost would be more with needing a new cpu and motherboard of course). The gains in upgrading to the 3D cpus is mostly only in gaming where outside of that the 5950x would have better performance.
I use protools 12 on my second computer that still has a 3800x and honestly I'm fine with it. A core i7 or i9 would work better and is whats recommended from my research but with plugins and everything I dont see the need from my workflows but you might be different.
Im considering upgrading from my 2400g/rx570(4GB) combo to a 5800x3d/7800xt (16GB) combo. I know its a big upgrade but I want to see at least 100% gaming performance no matter what I play. Plus I want productivity tasks to be dramatically improved as well. $850 is a lot of money to me.
I have a 3700x and a 3070ti with 32gigs of ram. I play a lot of Star Citizen. I'm strongly considering the 5800x3d
Great video brother that 5800x3d is no joke for the price
AMD HHHHYZEN 3800 XT here, im good for now, it's a good combo with my 3080 at 1440p. I don't get teh benchmarks ppl doing 1080p like medium settings, who wants to play at that?
yes, especially if you play 1440p, high details, or 1080p, with Ray Tracing. then the cpu will be important. 4k, i was surprised that a gain was preset. good idea to test this !
Thanks so much for this!!
This is not really a good representation of the 5800X 3D. It is way faster than the 3800x, but it is not showing at 4K because of GPU bottleneck.
not sure why you would compare 2 cpu's and then run 4k and not even use the cpu... the test only shows that 4k puts the load on the gpu ..
I upgrade from 3700x to 5800x3d and big difference due to the face I bought a 4070 and old stuff kept my 4070. Just changing cpu I so big difference.
I mainly run emulators and vr racing and fight sims, so i sof probably upgrade my 3700x. What performance monitoring software are you using? I tried msi Afterburner but it doesn't look as clean as yours.
I am using afterburner, just with a different overlay. In the settings you can customize it to your liking
@@TheBenCrazy You did a really good job creating that nice custom overlay. Would you ever consider making a guide video showing how to make such a nice looking Afterburner overlay?
I am also looking to upgrade. I also play emulator games and new games. Would the 5900x be as good as the 5800x3d?
Its crazy how fast technology moves, i'm still on R7 3700x (Zen 2) when Zen 5 is coming soon. I'll probably upgrade to Zen 4 and call it a day. The annoying part is getting a new motherboard and DDR5 Ram but i suppose its a meaningful upgrade that'll last years.
It makes more sense to wait for Zen5 if you're on Zen2 like me. New CPUs will put downward pressure on the current ones and our 3700X's are still strong enough to chug along a bit further.
Do you think the RX 6950 XT and a 3700x will do the job?
@@TheWorstGamerrbig bottleneck
@@SweatyFeetGirl In a few weeks I will return and give my result. There is no turning back now.
@@TheWorstGamerr my 3700x bottlenecks me in many games i play and i only have an rtx 2070. That 6950xt is twice as fast as my gpu
Went from a i5 10400 to a r7 7800x3D for 350. The difference was honestly huge, also upgraded my gpu.
What settings did you use for these games? what resolution? I think I missed that. The reason I ask is because testing at 4k for example won't really show us how big of a jump we are getting on the cpu since we are primarily gpu bottle necked at this point for cpu averages vs say 1080p where we will see more cpu gains.
I tested at 4k to show what games are CPU or GPU bottlenecked so you can make a more informed decision based on the games you play. If the games you play are GPU bound, upgrading to a new CPU won't really benefit you and would be a waste of money. I recommend checking out @GamersNexus on the 5800x3D to get more results at lower resolutions.
Great video exactly what I needed cuz I'm in the same situation. I belive itll be pointless to upgrade to the 5800x3d and a new gpu at this time. especially when the 7800x3d is only $50+. Yes I do need to upgrade mobo and ram but that's mandatory. So for the same amount I built my old rig around $1500 it definitely be worth it in my opinion
idk why i got this video because it's useless YOU DON'T TEST CPU in 4K... It's done in 1080p where the system uses more CPU.
The only thing you proved was you need a new GPU if you want more fps in 4K.... Waste of money.
I wish these bechmarkers would stop doing synthetic benchmarks for x3d cpus, its known that kts not going to do that well vs is non 3d counterpart. Theyre clocked lower and ot dlesnt care about anout cache. One of the types of games that many don't benchmark with the x3d are multiplayer games like WoW or even Ff14 the difference is massive in those games, i know you did the gta 5 benchmark, but gta online gameplay shows a big improvement as well. Your normal triple A single player experiences, not usually quite as much.
You are one of the few that realizes AM4 is still the way to go.
You do realize that thr higher resolution doesnt show cpu testing well.
Should have done 1080 and 1440 too
I'm also considering if it's worth for me to upgrade to a 5800X3D with my monitor setup being 4K 60hz, but I'm pretty sure most people gaming in this price range are on high refresh 1440p monitors. Testing at that resolution will produce a very different performance delta between these two CPUs.
TheBenCrazy : you still have used too weak of a GPU like the RTX 3080 10GB is....to really see the Ryzen 7 5800X3D shine in its performance, one has to use at least an AMD RX 6900 XT 16GB, RTX 4080 16GB, RTX 3090 (Ti) 24GB or above these three that are in rasterization very close to equal.
Testing games at 4k, you are often going to be gpu limited, rendering the test useless
Hey so I've been thinking about upgrading, I know this video isn't, but it helps with my current cpu situation. I have a 3800x with the stock cooler, an asrock b550 pro4, and an rx 5700 xt while playing at 1440p 120hz. Main games I play are Halo Infinite, Sea Of Thieves, Rainbow Six Siege, and indie games/emulation. In Halo for example, I can't exactly hit stable 120fps unless if I'm playing forge maps unless if my games looks like crap (for normal gameplay i play at 1080p with res scaling @ 120, no dynamic scaling though). Do you think I should upgrade up to a 5800x3d and a new motherboard or a new gpu, and would a motherboard swap not be needed (the vrms on this board are not great afaik, hence why I'm asking.)
Motherboard swap is not needed, just need to upgrade the firmware. It would definitely be cheaper to upgrade the cpu instead of the gpu but im not sure what fps gains you will see exactly with those games. It all depends on if they are hitting the cpu harder or the gpu but I do think you will see a significant bump but thats just my opinion. I dont have hard numbers to give you the exact facts.
If you are an average mortal trying to build pc from scratch. Yes, 5800x3d is still worth it. The cpu can handle 4090 without bottleneck the gpu. and you can wait till the 4090 is affordable and keep your old pc setup. If you the 1% where money is no object, then No. get the latest and greatest.
You're bouncing as you speak, while shaking the counter with the boxes on... Feels like my eyeballs are shaking. WZ2 also has a synth benchmark in the menu
Results would have been even more shocking with better graphics cards
I agree that the 5800x3D will make us skip am5.
No, he just needed to turn the resolution down. This would allow him to really see how many frames the 5800x3d can really handle.
@@Purified1k Its both, better GPU to see how much the CPU can push a high end GPU, when the GPU is not the limiting factor anymore, but yeah testing a CPU in GPU limited titles witha semi UHD capaple card in UHD has put a brake on the CPU performance, which wouldve been able to push much more, if it wasnt severly hampered by the, at this high res, weak GPU.
Which he confirmed with that racinggame, as the GPU was not the most limiting factor and the CPU could power thru, thanks to its cache and higher IPC.
Saw another video with that game iirc, played at UWFHD (3 1080p Monitors) with a 3070 or 3070Ti coming from a 3900X upgraded to a 5800X3D but also tested the 5800X, there the non 3D CPU performed clock and IPC wise better but that was 10-20%, but the X3D gave it a good DOUBLING in FPS.
I'm not sure that.4k would have been the best to bench on 1440p would have been better
I went from a ryzen 5 3600x and a 2070s to a 5900x and a 4070ti and I've doubled my fps I play at 1440p 165hz monitor atm and I'm at ultra not medium to low my timespy score went from 6.8k to 20k with a 23k graphics score
My plan is either duel monitors 27inch or a 34 wide/27inch , my next build won't be till the am5 socket has been around for 2 or 4 years hopefully things will be cheaper, either way 4 years more on am4 would have been 8 years on the platform by then
doesn´t make sense to test cpu`s in a scenatio where the gpu is the limiting factor. reduce settings and resolution until your gpu clearly shows that your cpu is the bottleneck otherwise this is pointless
5700x will probably be a better deal compared to 5800x3d for the foreseeable future. 5800x is just an power-hungry overclocked version of 5700x and 5800x3d patches on 64 gigs of poorer quality l3 cache that's a nice-to-have that only occasionally comes into effect. 5800x3d will prolly never be a better perf-per-buck deal regardless of where you live.
TheBenCrazy : there is smth seriously wrong with your setup, either driver related or BIOS setting related....approximately half of outlets tested the 5800X3D as being around 30-45 % faster than the 5800X....especially in games like Marvels Spider Man Remastered....or actually in most modern games. You should check it out because it looks as if your RTX 3080 GPU isn't fast enough to utilize the CPU. In case of RTX 3070 Ti, the 5800X and 5800X3D are practically neck by neck....but when one uses the RX 6800 XT, RTX 3090 or above, they become day and night.
3080 isn’t enough to see how good the 5800X3D’s performance jump
Yes you did, 8 cores to 8 cores. Should have gotten 12.
You are either insanely GPU bottlenecked to have these results OR you did something wrong.
I tested at 4k to show what games are cpu or gpu bottlenecked so you can make a more informed decision based on the games you play. I recommend checking out Gamers Nexus's video on the 5800x3D to get more results at lower resolutions
Bro are you playing 4k max? Those fps are not 2k and definitely not 1080p