Multiple Ex WWE Wrestlers SHOOT on Vince McMahon

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  • Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
  • multiple former wwe superstar ls including
    kurt angle
    René Duprée
    paul london
    stevie Richards
    jumping Jim Brunzell
    and many more
    share their own vince mcmahon stories.
    #vincemcmahon #wwe #renedupree

Комментарии • 186

  • @thebigoilkanlarry
    @thebigoilkanlarry 7 месяцев назад +119

    Working with a scary fuckin wizard. Greatest thing I've heard today. Also Paul London's part may disprove him getting fired over smiling.

    • @RKO1988
      @RKO1988 7 месяцев назад +5

      Well he did change the wrestling game forever

    • @d.52555
      @d.52555 7 месяцев назад +13

      Why does everyone think Paul was fired over the smiling situation 😂😂

    • @jamesb1988
      @jamesb1988 7 месяцев назад +16

      ​@d.52555 right? He's only said he didn't get fired for that about a million times.

    • @RKO1988
      @RKO1988 7 месяцев назад +7

      @@jamesb1988 also this is an insult to wizards, he’s no Gandalf. Saruman tho…

    • @billsfan1996
      @billsfan1996 7 месяцев назад +2

      he wasn’t fired for smiling get you’re facts right

  • @blackadam6445
    @blackadam6445 7 месяцев назад +43

    He called Vince a scary fuckin wizard😂😂😂😂😂

  • @SylentEcho
    @SylentEcho 7 месяцев назад +79

    I like how Rene looks like he's always buffering, but he's actually listening, lol.

    • @billybourke1803
      @billybourke1803 7 месяцев назад +11

      Pro wrestlings answer to AJ Hawk on McAfee

    • @SweetDeeJay
      @SweetDeeJay 7 месяцев назад +3

      😂 he looks like the early days of the lockdown 🤣🤣🤣

  • @sg-zd8eb
    @sg-zd8eb 7 месяцев назад +62

    I’m loving these stories. It speaks to my loathing of the corporate world.

  • @phoenix0401
    @phoenix0401 7 месяцев назад +72

    London is so intelligent and such a good talker. You can see why WWE had no idea what to do with him.

    • @tomtalker2000
      @tomtalker2000 7 месяцев назад +17

      It's not just his intelligence. It's because Vince has a big man fetish. Paul and Brian didn't fit that "mold". I have a personal training friend of mine who i workout with who got a try out with the company. And he told that's EXACTLY the reason why guys like Paul and Brian don't go far. Rey Mysterio did because he was already over huge when he made his move to the company. Plus, his family lineage in this business. But if you look at great wrestlers like Dean Malenko etc...they never went far in the WWE. They were treated better in WCW because they at least had a substantial cruiserweight division. Yes WWE had a lightheavyweight division but it didn't last long now did it. That's one of the things they ABSOLUTELY should bring back today. Considering the guys on the roster right now are FAR smaller then they were back in the 90's and early 2000's.

    • @markmeyer3448
      @markmeyer3448 7 месяцев назад +5

      He is logical..and sounds like those on the inside do not connect well with his logic. Too much into control.

    • @christopherolivarez4887
      @christopherolivarez4887 6 месяцев назад

      @@tomtalker2000if u bring back the cruiserweight division right now then who would compete for the world title? Since everyone is small like u said lol it makes no sesnse to bring the cruiserweight division back cuz everyone is a cruiserweight now

    • @master-of-mind5881
      @master-of-mind5881 4 месяца назад

      I regret not watching him work when he was in the wwe. He’s an interesting individual with a very high intellect.

  • @adamaizenberg756
    @adamaizenberg756 7 месяцев назад +14

    Jason doing Vince’s calm but still angry voice…
    Ok yas… Okay? Okay pal? I lied. 😂

  • @wingedhussar1453
    @wingedhussar1453 7 месяцев назад +13

    Vicne was a mafia boss.nobody told him what to do no wonder he did crazy things

  • @oRealAlieNo
    @oRealAlieNo 7 месяцев назад +22

    4:15 vince got that pat patterson energy..

  • @wwewomensdata
    @wwewomensdata 7 месяцев назад +16

    Who is sensation and why is he so funny and likeable

    • @infinite-sadness
      @infinite-sadness 7 месяцев назад +9

      He does impressions. He played Owen Hart during DX’s blackface promo

    • @RKO1988
      @RKO1988 7 месяцев назад +5

      His name is Jason Sensation his impressions are amazing

    • @justinburch21
      @justinburch21 7 месяцев назад +2

      Yeah Jason is hilarious

    • @AngloCelt88
      @AngloCelt88 7 месяцев назад +2

      He's NOT a nugget!!!

    • @jaysonraphaelmurdock8812
      @jaysonraphaelmurdock8812 7 месяцев назад +3

      His impressions of Owen, Shawn and Bret were hilarious

  • @MegaMijit
    @MegaMijit 7 месяцев назад +14

    00:01 Ex WWE wrestlers discuss the intimidating nature of Vince McMahon.
    02:02 Ex WWE wrestlers share strange encounters with Vince McMahon.
    06:20 Former WWE wrestlers recall confrontations with Vince McMahon over their in-ring style
    08:42 Disagreement over using finishers
    13:25 Ex WWE wrestlers discuss challenges working under Vince McMahon
    15:34 Ex WWE wrestler shares experience of being released by Vince McMahon
    19:55 Former wrestler shares an interesting interaction with Vince McMahon.
    22:04 Kurt Angle wanted to retire after WrestleMania and requested to be put with John Cena
    25:40 Wrestler suing Vince McMahon over royalties
    27:39 Issues with Vince McMahon's business practices
    31:45 Multiple ex WWE wrestlers discuss their experiences with Vince McMahon
    33:51 Ex-WWE wrestlers share their experience of working with Vince McMahon
    Crafted by Merlin AI.

  • @rickroberts7611
    @rickroberts7611 7 месяцев назад +18

    I always think Rene is laying down😂

  • @Rondondemarco
    @Rondondemarco 7 месяцев назад +8

    This is *EPIC* you guys should do even more shows about vince the scary wizard boss compilation lol. But seriously extremely good raw vince content.

  • @tuttlevalley
    @tuttlevalley 7 месяцев назад +3

    Did Vince poop on any of them or was that just the office help?

  • @keithwiggins3131
    @keithwiggins3131 7 месяцев назад +13

    I know one wrestler that wouldn't put up with Vince if he had stayed because Vince couldn't control him and I'm talking about New Jack. I remember that interview he had years ago.

    • @gregpomfred9368
      @gregpomfred9368 7 месяцев назад

      You mean the one-dimensional crackhead who couldn’t work and only had success in ECW wouldn’t make it in WWE? Color me shocked.

  • @bpc1003
    @bpc1003 7 месяцев назад +13

    Has Jason spoken publicly about what happened to him? I’ve seen him for several long forum interviews but haven’t heard him open up to what happened. Seems like a traumatic event that zapped away his strength as a person. I’m probably off on this but just asking

    • @IOUZIP
      @IOUZIP 7 месяцев назад +3

      I think when you have be SA its really up to Jason if he wants to bring it up but none of us should ever push or ask. Trauma is real and manifests it's ways into other addictions if you don't get help.
      Again, I don't have any knowledge regarding this, but feel we should leave this topic alone.

    • @louio
      @louio 7 месяцев назад +3

      Like if Jason needs to give you an explanation

    • @jamesb1988
      @jamesb1988 7 месяцев назад +3

      Whatever it was, it was something to do with Kevin Fertig/Thorn.

    • @bpc1003
      @bpc1003 7 месяцев назад +4

      @@louio are you sped? I never asked for one, just asked if it’s been discussed

    • @bpc1003
      @bpc1003 7 месяцев назад +6

      @@IOUZIP stop with the uprighteousness brother love, I asked if it had been discussed, not encouraging anyone to say anything new

  • @gothelvis3541
    @gothelvis3541 5 месяцев назад +4

    Holy fuck why the hell were all these guys absolutely fucking hilarious man I'm bawling over here

  • @manicmurph
    @manicmurph 7 месяцев назад +8

    Sensation does some great impressions man! Vince was funny. 😂 The low and high voice he had and the stone cold was literally perfect. If they did an audio comparison I bet it would extremely close to Austin's.

  • @erikmochrie1868
    @erikmochrie1868 7 месяцев назад +7

    Not a good week for this SSP conversation with Jeff Hardy getting his face smashed by one

  • @markcafebrown2883
    @markcafebrown2883 7 месяцев назад +9

    Hell yes! James and Rene great Fn Video! Smash the thumbs 👍 up ⬆️

  • @Startafnwar
    @Startafnwar 7 месяцев назад +13

    Jason is the best but every time I hear someone do a Vince impression it's always so spot on.

  • @wesleypeel4756
    @wesleypeel4756 7 месяцев назад +17

    The small Sid impression was on point

    • @diluted8
      @diluted8 7 месяцев назад +7

      Yes it was 😂 I know we're live!!

  • @johnytwotimes4072
    @johnytwotimes4072 7 месяцев назад +12

    The first interview makes me love Paul London so 😂

  • @sampleoffers1978
    @sampleoffers1978 7 месяцев назад +5

    Killer Bees were cool team before demolition became popular so that makes sense backstage conflict ended them prematurely.

  • @gene_takavic57
    @gene_takavic57 7 месяцев назад +5

    Jason Sensation! I forgot about that guy. Talented like a mofo. He should have his own show or something with those impressions.

  • @DanielMussen-ex8si
    @DanielMussen-ex8si 3 месяца назад +1

    Elbow Pads|Knee Pads|Taped Wrists|MMA Style Gloves Past Present Future

  • @IAEMThatIAEM
    @IAEMThatIAEM 7 месяцев назад +4

    to me, kidman was buried cuz his GF was hot and he was a WCW guy.
    Maybe you did the shooting star press better, I didn't watch wrestling at the time, but kidman had the best Shooting Star Press back in the day, and it was awesome in WCW

  • @JoeBowler-r9n
    @JoeBowler-r9n 7 месяцев назад +11

    Great to Hear from Stevie Richards. I met Stevie at The Elks Lodge in Queens Nyc in 1997. Great Show. Thanks for this Great Podcast.

  • @tallthinkev
    @tallthinkev 7 месяцев назад +3

    Calling your boss Sir? Yes, if you're in the forces, but at work? You might call them Mr/Miss/Mrs or even Doctor or Professor, but never sir. One of my old 'bosses' is now in the House of Lords (yes, I'm in England) and it was always first name with him.

  • @andrew8168
    @andrew8168 7 месяцев назад +6

    They dont see you as a liability if they make you the GM of Raw.

  • @rtmachine2019
    @rtmachine2019 7 месяцев назад +7

    13:13 omg Stevie does a good dreamer impression

  • @Emilythematerialgurl
    @Emilythematerialgurl 7 месяцев назад +1

    If I was Rene just seeing vince going oh yeahhhh look him beauty I be like nope I'm going this giving me Texas massacre vibes

  • @DanielMussen-ex8si
    @DanielMussen-ex8si 3 месяца назад +2

    01 vs 01 02 vs 02 03 vs 03 04 vs 04 Past Present Future

  • @SNOwyte
    @SNOwyte 7 месяцев назад +7

    I can totally see dreamer moving exactly like that

  • @DanielMussen-ex8si
    @DanielMussen-ex8si 3 месяца назад +1

    Universe Mode Past Present Future

  • @rafeeqturner1458
    @rafeeqturner1458 7 месяцев назад +2

    Actually, Vince was right, safety is more a priority over high spots for a pop, in a Fortune 500 company. Ironically everyone did copy it (as Vince foresaw)

  • @veniljackson47
    @veniljackson47 6 месяцев назад +2

    Brian Hebner went full Milton from Office Space lol when talking to Vince 😂😂😂Vince is definitely the Bill Lumbergh of wrestling

  • @AskAdam28
    @AskAdam28 7 месяцев назад +3

    I met Simon Gotch at a local show once. Nicest guy ever.

  • @abyss815
    @abyss815 7 месяцев назад +1

    I think I would have lasted about 20 minutes in this company.... vince would've been cussed out real quick

    • @Smackjamsbro
      @Smackjamsbro 6 месяцев назад

      Calm down tough guy 😂

  • @riceurioste8654
    @riceurioste8654 6 месяцев назад +1

    These are interesting stories but Vince was right some of these moves have been done before and they failed horribly he's been running this business from way back and knows which arena moves should not be performed because of the dangers that they presented before

  • @darkside7802
    @darkside7802 7 месяцев назад +1

    When I say Vince is a prick, I get called a “mArK”. Now who’s laughing? To hell with everyone who ever defended Vince. I’ve known he was a freaky prick for decades. The fact that those who didn’t outwardly state the same shit I did, pretends to be surprised, is total bullshit.

  • @oRealAlieNo
    @oRealAlieNo 7 месяцев назад +4

    18:12 damn vince got him too

  • @Laura-jj7sp
    @Laura-jj7sp 7 месяцев назад +8

  • @sabath15
    @sabath15 7 месяцев назад +1

    How the hell did someone jump off a top rope and not break paul londons eye socket and i got mine broken by a punch?

  • @skrillabagbg
    @skrillabagbg 7 месяцев назад +2

    Paul london was buried. Why did he allow justin gabriel to do it years later

  • @slow71971
    @slow71971 7 месяцев назад +1

    Rene,He(Brunzell) had another with Heartbreak kid...instant classic & he could've beat Michaels time he wanted.

  • @andrewhodge6447
    @andrewhodge6447 7 месяцев назад +2

    I am Glad Maven Mentioned this channel, this video made me laugh so hard.

  • @Big_Drew
    @Big_Drew 7 месяцев назад +3

    Jumping Jim looked great..I love his interviews..this pod is growing on me.

  • @k.m.k-ultrafanpage4kottonm243
    @k.m.k-ultrafanpage4kottonm243 7 месяцев назад +4

    Interview violent j

  • @albino5995
    @albino5995 7 месяцев назад +1

    In concerns with Paul London being told not to do 450s, when Vince told him ‘we should make an exception for you?’ as soon as I heard that, if Paul would have said ‘I’ll do it 100 times in front of you to show me land it perfect each time’ and I bet he’d have let him prove it!
    What an epic story that would have made!

  • @Rerpesentz
    @Rerpesentz 7 месяцев назад +1

    we dont hire talent we create it, the greatest lie ever told to actual talented wrestlers

  • @allig7425
    @allig7425 7 месяцев назад

    I’m just over here marking out over a Brian Hebner appearance. You all remember how his body would somehow go 5 feet in the air when he counted a match to 3 😂

  • @ivancastillo661
    @ivancastillo661 7 месяцев назад +2

    And rey is going to start doing it !!!!! Lol

  • @rodneylyn1604
    @rodneylyn1604 7 месяцев назад +1

    That's a demons 😈 energy that makes you feel like that.

  • @joshann1251
    @joshann1251 7 месяцев назад +1

    That Sensation guy was so damn annoying.

  • @taisyalover14
    @taisyalover14 7 месяцев назад +1

    Look what happened to Brock after trying the shooting star lol

  • @Daytz16
    @Daytz16 7 месяцев назад +1

    Like number 1000 🤣👌 Loving the content guys, would love to see RVD and Paul London on together 🤣

  • @joen8529
    @joen8529 6 месяцев назад +1

    Sensation really looks like Virgil these days!

  • @jrharris4980
    @jrharris4980 7 месяцев назад +3

    Need a part 2

  • @TheLmoney420
    @TheLmoney420 7 месяцев назад +3

    Love hearing these stories but can’t help but think they are embellishing some. I mean, c’mon bruh, you didn’t get a standing ovation from the boys after a velocity match 🤣. These dudes love to talk tough now but were scared to death of VKM in real life and would have never said these things to him… but hard to defend VKM after those allegations. Dude is sick in the head 🤦🏼‍♂️

  • @ronnieortiz9138
    @ronnieortiz9138 7 месяцев назад +1

    I shouldnt be laughing at any of these stories 😭

  • @Meatmisile
    @Meatmisile 7 месяцев назад +2

    Great Compilation. Thank you

  • @wrestlingfan1596
    @wrestlingfan1596 18 дней назад +1

    Jason Sensation has Aged HORRIBLY.
    Looks like a creature from like the Upside Down or something 😮 !!!

    • @decollector95
      @decollector95 6 дней назад

      hate is one hell of a drug

    • @wrestlingfan1596
      @wrestlingfan1596 6 дней назад

      @@decollector95not hating, l still think the guy is super talented and funny as hell.
      That bald look doesn’t look good on him but it’s probably not his fault 😂

    • @decollector95
      @decollector95 6 дней назад +1

      @@wrestlingfan1596 no, I meant *his* hatred has aged him prematurely, shriveled him up

    • @wrestlingfan1596
      @wrestlingfan1596 6 дней назад +1

      @@decollector95gotcha 👍

  • @jonathanalvarez2909
    @jonathanalvarez2909 7 месяцев назад +1

    Brian Hefner looks like he been through hell.

  • @bullettoothjosh
    @bullettoothjosh 7 месяцев назад +2

    AWA was the Remco Co.

  • @F5_cena
    @F5_cena 7 месяцев назад +1

    This might come to years of gathering information from potential hundreds of people coming forward
    Vince is so fucked he might die before this hits trial

  • @Repomidnight
    @Repomidnight 7 месяцев назад +1

    It was Vince shooting on wrestlers that got him into trouble.

  • @BestEndDB
    @BestEndDB 2 месяца назад

    Heb sounds like hes just a lil to soft for the business just fucking ask him the question “yo vinny wtf are they calling me tonight?” How hard is that idc if he gets mad “you mad homie? Shidd me vs you tonight in that ring” 🤣

  • @TopShelfHunters
    @TopShelfHunters 7 месяцев назад +1

    Sensation is hilarious "Fire em now!"

  • @christopherhamer9584
    @christopherhamer9584 7 месяцев назад +1

    I get vince is a POS but if he was so bad then why did all these guys stay for as long as as they did. And everyone is coming out of the woodwork saying they knew vince was a monster are pieces of shit too for not saying anything when those checks came every 2 weeks. So its cool vince is a monster as long as you get paid?

  • @United010
    @United010 2 месяца назад

    i’m trying to find impression wheee he goes: “there nailing me to the fn cross”
    when vince was getting grilled can’t find the part

  • @MackDaddyMackkazzlen
    @MackDaddyMackkazzlen 3 месяца назад

    almost time to get kurt angle back on, , as well s Charlie has,, mark jindrax, Jake the snake, kid cash, mike coda, and br

  • @MackDaddyMackkazzlen
    @MackDaddyMackkazzlen 3 месяца назад

    you should inteviw , someone from the bloodline , lance or zilla etc

  • @Markcoldfish
    @Markcoldfish 7 месяцев назад +3

    Knowing what we know now about vince and punishing people for saying now i wouldnt be suprised if vince ordered the death clothesline that london took that nearly killed him 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @Matty272
    @Matty272 6 месяцев назад

    Such a Shediac Acadian accent. I believe you know my cousin Newf.

  • @ryanevans126
    @ryanevans126 7 месяцев назад

    Hey guys I clicked the link to the val cal interview nothing came up when will the video be up on patreon I was looking forward to that

  • @Reese91momo
    @Reese91momo 7 месяцев назад +5

    That Vince impression is spot on lol

  • @manicmurph
    @manicmurph 7 месяцев назад

    Wow if grown men were this scared of Vince imagine the women he graped. They were probably scared shitless.

  • @manicmurph
    @manicmurph 7 месяцев назад

    What did he mean when he looked at him and said "he's gonna puke" i thought that was from the dude called puke or whatever.

  • @jamesblack9382
    @jamesblack9382 7 месяцев назад

    Not forgiving any bad deeds of his as only God can but it must have been hard when everyone is scared to talk to you like a normal person. Regardless of how his outward appearance came off. Blessings to all life.

  • @RellJFK
    @RellJFK 7 месяцев назад

    So he didn’t want guys doing the move bc people had recently been hurt?! That’s a horrible reason to be mad at someone

  • @granpastreetz
    @granpastreetz 6 месяцев назад

    Foreshadowing from Jason Sensation. The Nostradamus of Pro Wrestling.

  • @boombringer4078
    @boombringer4078 6 месяцев назад

    JASON SENSATION is a LEGEND!!

  • @jeromethetitanfell1023
    @jeromethetitanfell1023 6 месяцев назад

    Yeah but you got to understand guys were getting hurt because of the move

  • @Clintstagram
    @Clintstagram 6 месяцев назад

    René you did a great job with your gimmick because I hated you. 🤣
    I've started watching you and Maven on RUclips, and you guys are pretty good dudes in my book.💪

  • @LauraRock-nl6ix
    @LauraRock-nl6ix 7 месяцев назад

    Brian co host is Jimmy kordieras former ref on there podcast

  • @Ellisite
    @Ellisite 3 месяца назад

    Is that Simon Gotch at 14min in?

  • @aaronhurst4379
    @aaronhurst4379 7 месяцев назад

    Can't get enough of Rene's little laugh at 14:40 lol

  • @miaouew
    @miaouew 7 месяцев назад

    17:19 LOL

  • @Slechy_Lesh
    @Slechy_Lesh 6 месяцев назад

    3:44

  • @louio
    @louio 7 месяцев назад +8

    I side with Vince about Paul London wanting to the Shooting star press, that setup has to be on point, if something off things can go terribly wrong. So Mcmahon was looking out for his wrestlers and avoiding a lawsuit

    • @kenrickeason
      @kenrickeason 7 месяцев назад +3

      He let Kurt Angle and Brock Lesnar do it countless of times..

    • @louio
      @louio 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@kenrickeason lol never after Wrestlemania

    • @gene_takavic57
      @gene_takavic57 7 месяцев назад +2

      It was Vince's company back then.

    • @goodman_1955
      @goodman_1955 7 месяцев назад

      ​​@@kenrickeasoncountless? You're moronic

    • @JavarianBrewster-bo1ou
      @JavarianBrewster-bo1ou Месяц назад

      I never seen Kurt to a shooting star press
      ​@@kenrickeason

  • @rageagainsttheworld
    @rageagainsttheworld 6 месяцев назад

    Good shit pal!

  • @aidinexmachina4232
    @aidinexmachina4232 7 месяцев назад

    16:19
    Damn season 2, bro

  • @stevenquon4907
    @stevenquon4907 7 месяцев назад

    Great stuff! Great guests!

  • @SNOwyte
    @SNOwyte 7 месяцев назад

    'No more 450'

  • @Tom-tq6qg
    @Tom-tq6qg 7 месяцев назад

    Let's go vince

  • @michaelvin8632
    @michaelvin8632 7 месяцев назад +1

    The more I hear Paul London talk, the less I like him.

  • @Realistic316
    @Realistic316 7 месяцев назад +5

    honestly Paul London made no sense, and Vince made all the sense… more than one person was injured from that move not long before that time… so why would Vince allow the move? 🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @kenrickeason
      @kenrickeason 7 месяцев назад +2

      He let Kurt Angle and Brock Lesnar do the shooting star press countless of times..

    • @Realistic316
      @Realistic316 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@kenrickeason countless times? lol… Brock did it once in WWE and got hurt… and others got hurt from it…so all the more he shouldn’t allow Paul London to do the move…. try making sense

    • @ronnieortiz9138
      @ronnieortiz9138 7 месяцев назад

      It was evan bournes finisher too

  • @datacipher
    @datacipher 7 месяцев назад +3

    This is so silly. The first two stories make Vince sound great. He wasn’t rude to hebner - he was nice, made a quick decision and moved on! As if Vince can spend 15 min worrying about the ref’s name! lol. As to the London doing the shooting star… well sure maybe Paul can do it and should be allied to, but Vince was trying to prevent the business from going aew… and that looks pretty damn good now. We all know Kidman messed some people up. Look at what Guevara did to hardy this weekend. And Vince was right… now we have a million shooting star plus three twists and guys are getting hurt a lot.

    • @christopherhamer9584
      @christopherhamer9584 7 месяцев назад

      Look at all this stupid shit herb abrams junior( TK) Books and has all the boys doing these stupid ass spots and getting hurt. For years I always wandered what would happen if somebody from the Meltzer message boards was able to buy a wrestling company and now I know because TK Was a mark from the message boards. He books all these crazy a** matches. And he looks at his wrestlers has nothing more than e
      Interchangeable toys.

    • @gene_takavic57
      @gene_takavic57 7 месяцев назад +1

      Lucha Libre mentality

  • @MackDaddyMackkazzlen
    @MackDaddyMackkazzlen 3 месяца назад

    interviw icp or viloent j

  • @OriginalFatCat
    @OriginalFatCat 7 месяцев назад +2

    Cowards. All of them are Cowards. None of them had a single thing to say while Vince McMahon was around and running the show. Now that he's gone they're all piling on. Bruno tried to expose this crap in the late 80s and early 90s, and the top voices in the business hung him out to dry and remained silent.